Page 7 - Second Helpings - Don't Perceive Me

Episode Date: February 13, 2026

MJ and Jackie are back again servin' up another batch o' Second Helpings! Up top Jackie fills MJ in on how Geoff read "Everything Is Tuberculosis" and everything IS tuberculous, and after Jackie droppin' t-burc facts, she talks about how she got a custom made lip color at 'The Lip Lab', and proved the circle of life remains intact! James Van Der Beek has passed and it made MJ finally understand their parents getting so sad about actors they grew up with passing, Jackie and Geoff spent their time watching the Olympics and couldn't get over how dangerous the biathlon seems, plus a shout out to the Minnesota curling team callin' out ICE! JD Vance got Boo'd at the Olympics, but Mariah Carey got briefly thawed to perform during the opening ceremony, despite the fact that it was most likely lip synced, and even more Olympic chat! Jill Zarin is a nightmare person and got kicked from the new RHONY E! series, and they're bringin' in DORINDA! MJ and Gideon watched the first episode of "I Love LA", Jackie watched "Wonderman" with Geoff, and Jackie says "A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms" is so goooooood! Jackie watched "Suddenly Amish" in her Noro-haaaaaaze and now feels bad for them. They keep GETTIN' INSIDE HER HEAD, so should she continue watchin' it? The "Puppy Bowl" puppy passed, but let's talk about the new "Traitors" episode instead! And after saving one from a pool, MJ is the new rat king in town! PLUS SO MUCH MORE!Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

A second time around. You are damn right about it. It's going to be even better. It's going to be even juicier. Isn't it? I think I hope it's not as juicy as what I had over the weekend. But I was talking about juicy lips a lot yesterday because I went with a friend of mine to LipLab, which is this place where you go and have, you can like get to this. She took me there for my birthday, which she had got me a gift card for a.

I think two and a half years ago. What month is it? Is it your birthday in August? No, it is a, yeah. It was from my August 24's birthday. Oh, okay. And so we finally got around to doing it. That's nice.

And we went to go and you make your own lip shade. Oh, my God. You could have them make it for you. And it was so crazy because you can tell that some of these people, I imagine, are probably very bad at it. But we got to know CeC so well. And CeC., who is this? We ended up, we got to know her life story.

She's a graphic artist, and that's why she was so insanely good at color matching. It was unbelievable, MJ. I was looking at a magician. First of all, I just need to point out that LipLab sounds like a Heather Gay project, but her place is beauty lab. Yeah, that's Beauty Lab. I think it's Beauty Lab. But, yeah, blah, blah. But, you know, I didn't get any injections.

It was just making a lip. Just don't just make it a color. Yeah. No, I've never gotten any of those. Man, if I came in, I'm like, I didn't get any injection yet. Oh, and it's like my, I'm just like, I'm going, you know, Zach Afron with it. I'm like, no, I fell, MJ. I fell into that.

Don't worry about me. I really enjoyed the moment in Traders when Johnny Weir was like, I'm sorry, my face doesn't move as much as it used to anymore. Does it move as much as it used to? I really like that. But I also just need, I know that listeners already know, but I just want to take this opportunity as somebody who has traveled with Jackie and, like, move through the world. through like rental car situations and like airports and, you know, restaurants, various customer service interactions. Jackie is, and my mom was like this when I was a kid, my mom would make friends with whoever she talked to. You were on a plane. By the end, it's like you have their number.

You know where their kids are going to college. Like, and as a kid, I was always like, wow. And sometimes I wonder now with like my kids, how my kids, because I also try to be friendly, but I don't think I quite have it as much as much as you. But Jackie is like, Jackie will. go to the lip lab and then come away with like a wedding invitation to the lip lab. Oh, yeah. I know we exchanged information. Oh, for sure. No, EZ and I are friends now. Yeah, now like she's going to be coming to your shows. Like it's this is just what Jackie's like. And I'm just putting that out there so that people can appreciate that it's genuine. And you know, what's even funnier than how that this is actually really like she is, is that for absolutely

inexplicable reasons, it infuriates Holden. Man, it fills him with rage. He hates it. He hates it. He's like, oh, I'm Jackie, and I'm so friendly. I call people sir and ma'am. He, he, he, he, it, it, it hates it. It stirs an ire in him to watch you be friendly. And it's like genuine. You're not even, you know, I'll love to Minnesota, but they're like, Minnesota nice is like kind of sometimes means like, I'll be nice on the surface and I'll be a little bit simmery underneath. And for you, it feels very, very genuine.

And that makes Holden even matter. Even more angry. The thing is, is that when I'm not in the place for it, it's so off. The mask. You know what I mean? Like, I just, the mask. And so I feel like people either describe me as like, oh, you're just like the nicest, you're the friendlies.

Or if you see me like by myself, you're like, what was wrong? How many times people would see me passing them on the street in the city? And I'm not paying attention to people like, were you? okay and I'm like oh no I just look like a horrendous fucking con unless I'm directly talking to you yes but outside of that I look very very mean yeah and I don't mean to do it yeah no that is I also think I have like resting upset face and it's I live in like a pretty small community like where I do not go outside without running into somebody that I know oh yeah and still I can't fix my resting upset face and then I'm like oh my God how long were they looking at me when I was just resting upset?

Just upset. And I'm often listening to something, a book or a podcast. And so then, like, I read into somebody from grad school and he was like, I kept calling your name and trying to say hi to you. And you just looked so focused. I'm like, oh, that's humiliating to imagine being seen in public. How dare you, you know? Yeah.

Don't perceive me. Don't perceive me. I would, I am begging of you. Don't perceive me. Especially while I'm listening to everything is tuberculosis, which we did. Cece and I did talk about everything is tuberculosis. This also seems like something my mom told me about. I'm sure.

Oh, have I talked at you because of Jeff read, everything is tuberculosis? And then it's been since telling me so many things. No, I was like, no wonder they wrote a whole book. Everything is tuberculosis, man. Everything is tuberculosis. There's so much hinged on what tuberculosis did and how it was perceived. And that's part of like, I'm going to. botched this up completely, but it was like part of like the en vogue fashion of why we wear red

lipstick was because of the blood that would come and it would hide the blood. And so even like the upper class, you know, it's like it was like almost like cosplaying like your poor with the blood on your lips kind of thing. Yes. That crazy. That's why we're talking about a lip lab. that you're talking about the blood brought back a memory of an eighth grade. We watched like an educational video about Edgar Allan Poe

about how like everyone in his life died of tuberculosis. And the person, I'm just putting this out there just in case any other millennial remembers this educational video. The person, just the setup of the video was them reenacting the

every person who in Edgar Allan Poe's life who died of tuberculosis and it was the host of the video saying Edgar, I've coughed up blood, I've got consumption, I'm going to die. And my friends and I repeated this compulsively for years and now it's, I'm just learning it still lives inside me. Anyone else know the video I'm talking about. Edgar, I've coughed up blood. I have consumption. I'm going to die. To die. Anyone. Anyone. What do I do with this? This memory is just unearthed now. Oh, I will please. Someone, someone reach out to MJ. They need you. Please, anybody. Sometimes we'll put a Hail Mary out here and other people will be like, I know exactly what you're talking about.

And I'm sure they're going to find it. All right. I'm going to, I need this. But you got your lip. You got your lip done. Is it red or is it pink? Those are the two choices. No, there's so many. There's so many. There's more choices. I know. You understand the color. There's browns and purples and everything, I know. And maybe we went through a couple of rounds and I did realize at the end of it I had created because usually I wear like a liquid lip because I don't like it to move at all. But I've been trying to play with a little more regular lips, even though I haven't played with them a long time. And I ended up making something that looks exactly like the shade my mother has worn for 40 years. And I put it on and it looked so natural on me. And it's like it's like a dark browner, like it's like a brownish red.

And it just looked so natural. And I was like, well, may the circle be unbroken by and by Lord. I am my mother. And that's fine. Yeah. Because I got a gloss to put on top. And that's what distinguishes the generations. Put a gloss on it.

The way that I know that I have become my parents is because I distinctly remember, and this is going to bring it into celebrity news, I remember being a kid and my parents sharing so-and-so died and being upset and me being like, is it somebody we know? And then it would be like some random actor. And I feel like it happened all the time. And I would always be confused as to why my parents would be so upset that like, I don't know who it was at the time. The, you know, the silent generation, I guess, who was dying when, you know, when I was young.

And I just distinctly remember the experience of being a kid and overhearing my adults talking about celebrities dying and being like, I don't understand. They're not, your life's not changing. And then here we are with James Vanderbeek and every millennial out there. My God. Every millennial out there is just like, this hurts so much.

I was not even a Dawson's Creek fan. And this just, it's just, I don't know what else, you know, there's not a ton to say about it. We do he was sick. We saw his appearance at the,

uh, the, uh, for, for some time. Yeah. And, and we saw how sick he was.

Six kids. at the Dawson's Creek reunion and how sad that was and how scary it was to see him so sick. But yeah, six kids. And just like really a guy, again, I don't, I remember the phenomenon that was Dawson's Creek, but it wasn't my thing. But like, seems like a guy who just really eased into, you know, middle age as a celebrity, just being a nice guy. He just, his whole Instagram presence was like, I love my wife.

I love my kids. I love my family. I just shared this video today of him on the red carpet being asked like, what would you say to your younger self? And he was like, don't take yourself so seriously. Just try to enjoy things and have fun. And I was like, no. Oh, my God.

And honestly, the saddest part of all of it is the crushing reality of the health care of our country as well. Because he has been James Vanderbueck, all right? One of the most well-known names of our generation. Absolutely. And he has been for a while having to. sell off props, costumes, anything that he would have to raise money to be able to pay for his fight against cancer. And this is the thing when people are like, yeah, get in line.

But isn't it nuts that you look at someone that it just goes to show how broken our system is that now that there's this GoFundMe, Zoe Saladanya is given $2,500 monthly towards the GoFund me because like the family's about to lose the house, they're going to lose everything. And now it is wonderful that this family does, you know, has people that are helping and, and it just breaks my brain into pieces. No, it is a hundred percent it is like, you want to know exactly what's wrong with America Society. Let's point to this single story, which is Louie G.

Like this, again, like you say, like you. Like, and yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't have a lot of patients for like, well, who cares? It's James Vanderbeek. There's other normal. Yes, exactly. You're right. We're saying, we're saying yes. Exactly.

It's happened. Especially happening at all of us. Exactly. That's the point. It's like if, if even James Vanderbeek has to do a go fund me for his own fucking cancer treatment and now they're still, they still need to raise money to pay for all of the, the debt and the costs, they have, since he died. they've raised, or I'm not sure if

since they started the fundraiser since he died, but they're still, they're raising money, yeah, raise 1.3 million in the last 24 hours because they still have costs. And yeah, John Chu, Derek Huff from Dancing with the Stars, Dana McCalley, Danica McEller, Zoe Sal Danya, it's like, oh, good,

I get to go to the Celebrity News website and see the list of celebrities that are crowdsourcing cancer payments for a household name who cannot afford his cancer treatments, it is absolutely astonishing. It's all so, it just, I mean, it is beautiful to see, like, the community coming around. I feel like there's been a lot, I mean, in my life right now, and I think with a lot of other people right now, of talking about trying to find the beauty through the grief of watching people come together, watching people reach out.

And, and honestly, this goes for everything that's going on. I mean, Minnesota, there's beautiful things happening there every single day. Yes, every single day. And also horror is happening. But yeah, you got to focus on the beautiful things. Every once in a while. Keep putting one foot in front of the other. Every day.

I mean, you know, they, they, you got to. So yeah, it's, it is beautiful to see everybody come together to crowd raise money for James Vanderbique, but it is like this sentence should not be coming out of my mouth. That man was so famous. Like, presumably, I don't know how much money. got after you've been in varsity blues in Dawson's Creek, but you'd think that you shouldn't have to do a go-fund me to pay for your own cancer treatments. I always assumed Dawson's Creek was in syndication somewhere, but I guess it's not.

Because if you think about that, too, as someone that does that, now you have cable, you are, you still have regular television. I used to. Are you aware of, okay, you cut all the cords. I guess for questions for you out there, for those that watch anything that is in syndication, what is in syndication anymore? Like, do they, like, is it still just friends and everybody loves Raymond? Well, it must have changed in the last 20 years, right?

As somebody who was in 30 Rock for 10 seconds, I do know that 30 Rock is still in pretty good syndication, but I get like $2 every couple of months. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that and then, but yeah, it is, I think it's mostly friends. Not 30 Rock is, though? But, like, where? I don't even know what that means. I get my little check, I'm like, where do you watch three? Where's this happening?

Yeah. No, I don't, I don't know. I don't know. I have no idea. I have, you know, I have absolutely no idea. But I do know that they are bringing up all of these issues, obviously, in the pit this season. Pit. Talk about tuberculosis.

What is this, the pit? Oh, what is this the pit? And maybe it's because everything is tuberculosis. I don't know. But maybe it's also to remind everything because of the book. everything is tuberculosis to remind everybody that TB, I'm sorry, I'm also, I can't exactly remember. It's like, I don't know if it is, it's like one of the top killers still to this day. You know, I always, when I was working for a community-based organization in public schools,

I always had to get a tuberculosis test every fall. And I always made, I always made a big, annoying stink about it. And I was always like, what next? Diphtheria? You know, I completely thought that it was No, it's measles now. Don't worry, MJ. That's too like, yeah, what is this? Measles? It's everywhere. No, it's everywhere. Like an Oregon Trail disease that was

gone. And again, many of the Oregon Trail diseases were bringing them back and, you know, got to bring something back. But but yeah, apparently... I was fat. I was nasty. Don't bring my dice in, right? I have been thinking

about Mike Tyson all week. I've been thinking about it. I've been saying, I'm a fact, I was nasty. I've been saying that to myself. I also, I try, I try, I have tried ever since having kids, I have gone way too hard on trying to be extremely food neutral, like not put anything on it, like to the extent that like if I could do it again, I'd probably do not even go as hard as I have of like all food is food. There's no moral judgments around food. And I understand how important that and I'm glad I've done that. But I try really hard. But every so often at moments of weakness, your kid won't eat.

And you're like, just eat the food. And so earlier this, no, it must have been before the Super Bowl, but it was like maybe last week. Very recently, I was trying to get my kid to eat. And I was like, you have to, I was like, if you want to eat candy, we have to eat at least some real food first. And she just looks at me and goes, all food is real food. Oh, my God.

No, don't use it against me. And I was like, you're right, all food is real food. I'm sorry I use that phrase. And then Mike Tyson comes out and says, eat real foot. But I'm like, it is, oh, it's just, it's like there's so much research that says that it is good to talk about food not in the way that Mike Tyson does to not give kids eating disorders. And then Mike Tyson just comes out. I mean, I feel like RFK's goal is to give all the children eating disorders. I feel like that's in their vision statement, you know, of Maha.

Like, we want all kids to hate themselves and have eating disorders. But, yeah, I have been thinking a lot about fat and nasty all week. I've been thinking about it. I can't stop thinking about it. But, you know, that's what the Olympics are for. I, you know, I'm just throwing this out there. We had opened up Pek-O'Coc last night because, because we went to go watch the traders.

And I was just sitting there with my grief husband. And we ended up watching at least 45 minutes of ice dancing. And then Jeff was like, have you seen any of the biathlon? And so the biathlon is not until Sunday. But I don't know if you're familiar with the biathlon, which I feel like every time the Winter Olympics specifically comes around. I don't know what they do. What are they doing?

No, I don't know what they do. So the biathlon is skiing while shooting a gun. Are you kidding me? I am not kidding you, MJ. I'm not making this up. I swear to a gun every year. I'm like, they do this. I'm not kidding you.

Wow. The, like the, you know, the, like Olympic picture of it is literally just a person standing on skis holding a gun. Are you sure this sounds like a joke? That is, I was about to be like, bye, Athelot, only two things, but I take it back. They're two great things, two great tastes that taste great together. It's, it's shooting, while skiing. Why wouldn't you need to practice shooting, shoot skiing?

While skiing. Wow. Wow. It is, it just, honestly, it's that. And then also, another one is skeleton, which is not, it's not shooting while skiing, but Skeleton is the one that I think that I see every time Winter Olympics comes around. And then I was watching it yesterday. And so skeleton is when you're on.

I don't know if it's, I'm going to say it's a bobsled track because it reminds me of the cool runnings track. Okay. That is the only way I'm saying, I don't know if it's a luge. Like I don't know what it's called. But they're in some sort of track. But they're laying on this contraption. It's like a flat contraption. It almost looks like the dolly kind of thing that you get on your back and go underneath a car.

Okay. Yep. They're laying on one of those, but they're laying full body out face down to the ice as they are, like as a human bullet. We call it the neck breaker. That's I. How do they look? How does someone look at that and go, I'm going to do that. I want to not even see where I'm going.

I want to just stare directly at the scary, very fast-moving ice. And I know that's not even like the craziest of the crazies of the Winter Olympics. But just think about that. Yeah. Like that's a nuts thing to do. Yeah. No, this is really helpful, though, because I have been finding myself what I do every four years, which is being disappointed that the Winter Olympics aren't the Summer Olympics.

And I'm like, I don't. I just. It's ice skating. I know. The ice skating. It's all. fine and I think that it's honestly what it is is that you're more likely to find yourself at a bar in the daylight day drinking with your fellow, you know, brethren watching

Summer Olympics. There's just something about the vibe of Summer Olympics that I like. And in Winter Olympics, I'm like, oh, this. But I am trying this year. And my kids have gotten really into a YouTube channel, which we call Hot Woman Explains Science. But it's actually called Huge of True. And it's just got this. Huge bosoms of drool. I'm sorry, I should immediately objectify. Just immediately, I'm like, hey, and it's you. She's very smart, okay?

And we, just to be clear, when we talk about other than the kids, we talk about very smart woman, explain science. But between the adults, it's very hot woman, explained science. And she did an episode on curling. And so my kids were like, let's watch curling. And I was like, hell yeah, let's watch curling. I think curling's hilarious. And then we watched curling, and they were like, this is so boring.

And so I think that we, I have accidentally turned my home a little anti-winter Olympics because Curling. No, not because of curling. They loved the video explaining curling, but then the actual curling itself didn't really deliver. But maybe face down, sliding down the ice sport will, will do it for them. And maybe shooting at Conwell skiing will do it for them. Maybe that'll do it for them. But also, you know, I know that they're not in a place.

but the Midwestern curling team that is representing Yes, the Minnesotans shout out to the Minnesota crawlers who are speaking out against ice and sweeping the ice

at the same time. And sweep in the ice while they do it. Smooth it, smooth it away. Sweat it, smooth it away. Smooth it, hate it, smooth it, hate it. Yes.

And I love this for them. And I learned the beautiful smart woman whose name is Cleo Abram. She explained that it's very interesting. The ice is all bumpy. And the fucking stone is made of a special rock that comes from one certain fucking island. And it spins in a way that makes no sense. It defies physics. And it's like it's neat. It's a cool thing. It's, it's, I, you know, as curling is neat. It's not just silly. No. And I also watched a video on how they make whatever the puck is because like they're very, very expensive to make. Because of how they're special rock. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. You know, guys, I'm just saying it is, like, if you're taking, the problem is that I understand for a lot of people, they're like, I can't even possibly think about the Winter Olympics right now. I can't think about supporting this country. I cannot think of it. And I do understand that. In my brain, I am supporting the athletes that worked very, like, they're not the ones doing this. Totally. They're not the ones that are doing all of this. Yeah, I think that's fine. I really don't find the Olympics to be like suffocatingly national.

journalistic anymore. Also because they booed J.D. Vance right away. God, they booed him right away. Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Unavoidably loud. Like, even the announcer was like, well, that's pretty loud. And they joyously uplifted Mariah Carey during the opening ceremony. I watched the opening ceremony for a while.

And then I was like, how was she there? And why is she there? It was so funny because I was looking up, I saw multiple. It was like, why was Mariah Carey at the opening ceremonies? And every article is just like, she's saying an Italian. It's international. She's like, but wait, that doesn't answer the question. Like, I mean, I'm down.

She was wearing like. She's the best of what we have, Jackie. She represents our country. A nation turns its lonely eyes to you, Mariah Carey. They wrapped her up in like saran wrap. They placed her and they're like, we know it's not her usual time. but just get her there, cover her nice, just make sure she gets there, prop her up on the stage.

If she sees at least $15 million worth of diamonds, she will open her mouth and pretend to perform. So that's all you have to do. Yes, and the controversy with her is, did she lip sync or didn't she lip sync to which you said, I'm surprised that anybody thinks that she actually sang. I can't believe anyone would think, because as someone that talked to Henry and Natalie and any,

and Julie that went to the Mariah Carey show where they could see the teleprompter down to even her like speaking in between songs. Every word she said was on the teleprompter including the, ah, like the runs were also written on the teleprompter. And like what they said was she'll still hit the note. Like that's the thing. They wheel her on stage. she kind of

She'll say thank you everybody for coming. And she'll kind of sing the song, but she will hit the note that other people get her to hit. So like she'll hit she does apparently it seems sing the notes. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Brike carries a child. And that's why you should spend so much money to just have the audacity to come to watch her perform. I mean, if you're at the window, her Olympics, you're there to, I don't know, support, you know, athletes at unity.

She's not supporting nothing. I think I don't know if she knew. I feel like it's like when you take the sheet off the parent and just like, oh, oh, it's that time. But also, Lindsay Vaughn, I hear, I think she's going into her third surgery, Lindsay Vaughn, who is, I think she was ski while ski jumping. Yeah. She fell.

But she was also skiing with a torn ACL already. Yeah. So the AC, and I, you know, I'm not a sportist. But I've heard tale that tearing your ACL is not fun. I think the ACL is an important one. Yeah. Yeah, I hear that that's already not fun. And then she got hurt.

Again, she had to be airlifted off the mountain. Yeah. And she's under, she's been in surgery like ever since. Oh, my God. And that was four days ago. Like, going into her third surgery. Yeah, watching live, that is the weird thing about watching live sports. You're like, oh, yeah, anything can happen.

Yeah, man. Including scary things. And it's, I, but that's why I like to watch, like, the ice dancing and you just get so taken up in it. Oh, God, look at them on the ice, MJ. I will, I will try to bring in some more Winter Olympics into my home because I, yeah, I mean, I really, I'm, the ski shooting is going to, is going to do it for me. But ice dancing, yeah, you know, put it on in the background. It's fun. There's, I was trying to make sense of this.

Did you follow any of this? They're framing it as like a salacious love triangle, but it sounds like maybe just an abusive ice dancer. With the breakup? Yeah. They're like, oh, there was a public trouble in paradise. And it's like he was like a key. There's gations. And I'm like, this does typical, typical New York Post to be like spicy, sexy allegations of misconduct.

You know? It's like, ugh. I, it's, yeah, there was just like, it was very, very public breakup. And, and, yeah, it seems like all of that situation, man, I wouldn't want to be a part of it. Yeah, yeah, that's, no, thank you. I keep being like, okay, time to catch up on the ice dancing news and then reading half the article and be like, okay, I don't really have anything to add to this. But, no, I just like, as someone that is just kind of looking for something other than my current reality, just having it on. in the background has been a big help.

Having it on the background, been a big help, and I also know I am not the only one who is also watching the Bad Bunny halftime show on repeat. Highly recommend. Oh, my God. Watch it again. Read about it. Read about all the symbolism.

Read about all the people. Tonita from the social club in Williamsburg. Yes, yes. And read all about it. About Jill Zarin getting immediately fired for shitting all over the bad. Man. Yes, this is what I want to talk about. Oh, the scream.

that I scrumped because here's a thing. If you listen to me ever talk about Rony, you know that I did originally. Jel Zarin. I remember you said, Jal Zarin. Because Jill Zarin is a nightmare person. Like she's an absolute nightmare person.

There's a certain type of New York nightmare. Like this type of, well, but I'm not a Roney person, but I, I, we can't, can't live in the city without at least knowing the type, like a, racist white woman from Manhattan, which is, you know, was Jill Zeran represents New York.

And she has the audacity to come out and say the following about Bad Bunny's halftime show in a since-deleted post. I'm going to read it. Oh, but sorry, girl, your career is now deleted. The little thing, the little glimmer of what you were about to get, you idiot. you're so stupid and this is what you get for being a racist piece of garbage. New York. And she says, it was the worst half-time show ever. I just don't think it was appropriate to have it in Spanish. And quite frankly, grabbing his groin area, which I think is totally inappropriate. You've got all these young kids watching the Super Bowl. He doesn't have to be

grabbing himself every five seconds because he's so insecure. Seriously, she continued. I don't speak Spanish. I would have liked to have known the words he was saying. To me, it looked like a political statement because there were literally no white people in the entire thing. I'm not taking a side. You sure about that? I'm not taking aside one way or the other. I think it was an ice thing. I think that the NFL sold out and it's very sad.

New York City. Just absolute what a garbage pale thing to say you are a garbage person and you're getting taken out to the dumpster. You're going right out to the dumpster. And also did you read all of her talk about Because she says not a white person And then she brings up Oh yeah

And Lady Gaga was there And why was Lady Gaga there? Lady Gaga's white Jill Zarin And she's like And I didn't even know that it was her Because she's had so much work done All five of us All five of us didn't even know it was her

Because she had so much work done Uh Jill Zarin How about you look in the mirror for a second? And it is so funny to be like Because your face looks like a trampoline okay, real house lights is Salt Lake City? Your face looks like a trampoline. To say there's no white people there.

And then the next sentence to say, why was Lady Gaga there? Why was Lady Gaga there? Very funny. And I did take the liberty of going to NYC.gov and looking up how many people speak Spanish in New York. And, or just don't speak English. In New York City, 50% of people speak English at home.

The other 50% speak a language that isn't English at home. of those 50% who speak not English at home, 50% of those people speak Spanish. So I just like, this is like when you see a school in New York City that's like 99% white. And I'm like, what, how did this happen? Yeah, where, yeah. What are you doing? How can you be a real housewife of New York and hate Spanish, hate a Puerto Rican guy? Are you out of your fucking mind?

Out of your mind. What are you thinking? Like, so I really enjoy. enjoyed this story and now she's fired and that's what I really enjoy about it. Because for those, I know that I had brought up that Roney had separated and is starting, like leaving Bravo, starting their own with the, like the OG women from Roney starting their own show over at E. And she was involved and now is immediately fired. And the best part is they're bringing in Dorenda to replace her. Derinda.

I know her from trainers. They're bringing in Dorenda to replace her. I made it nice. I decorated. I made it nice. I love. So for those out there that do have watched Roney, I'm in the Berkshires right now. And for those that know Roney, they know exactly where I'm at. I'm obsessed with Dorinda. She's absolutely bad shit insane. And now having her, like them all back together, I am very, I am excited about it. All of, again, though, all of the, all of the, their politics are horrible. Like, do, I do not, I don't support, like, Ramona Singer. I certainly don't support, you just like, I don't support the other ones because, but at least they had just the smallest amount of smarts to keep whatever they were fucking thinking to themselves.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, and I, obviously, what Jill Zeran said wouldn't be any better if she was a real house wife from any other area, any other city. It's just, you know, there's like, I'm. Obviously, New York City has a, part of what makes it New York City is a vibrant Puerto Rican diaspora. And so to be, and, you know, just there's more languages spoken in New York City, like, in this one, like, geographical area than like any other geographical area this size in the world. It's like it's, it's, it's, it's, it is, what makes it New York City.

And so the idea of being like, everyone on the stage wasn't white. Have you ever been outside in New York City? In New York City? There's how, what do you, are you counting white people? What are you doing? And it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, a lot. And I read a lot. The whole family has kind of given Jill Zarin the boot a while ago.

Her daughter didn't post about how she liked it. This is the thing because Zarin Fabrics still exists in the city. And Zarin Fabrics came out immediately and said, we do not align with her. She does not work here anymore. Really? This is like the other side of the, yes, it's like the other family, the other family, the other family has it now. She has nothing to do with it. And they said, Zarin Fabric stands firmly against racism, discrimination, and rhetoric that seeks to exclude

or diminish people based on identity, culture, or background. We want to be absolutely clear that Jill Zeran has not had ownership or has been associated with Zeran fabrics for several years. And they meet and say, and her daughter immediately came out against her. Everyone around her is just like, you're you, this is no. No, no, no, no, no. The Zaron fabrics in the Lower East Side, which is a block away from the New York Tenement Museum. So again, just very funny to be like, I want to live in a world full of white people. And it's just like, what? That's very, I, that's, oh, man, I should, I should watch this, this paradoxically does make me want to watch Real Housewives of New York because, like, how interesting to be like, oh, you're moneyed because you own one of those big warehouses.

Like, a lot of the, you know, there's like whole blocks in New York City that are like, you know, know, they just sell kitchen sinks or whatever, you know, the fabric, whatever. But so it's fascinated to be like, oh, you're rich because you won't know that one of the fabric stores. But the fabric store doesn't want to be associated with you anymore. I don't know. I'm figuring out why New York City's old guard is rich is always kind of fun, you know. Oh, yeah.

And especially knowing to, it's like as someone that was a nanny, I was a nanny in the, in the upper west side. And the old money versus new money is so. And it is funny because it's brought up on Roney every once in a while. But it is, and I do always wonder as someone that is, I'm from New York, so I feel like I've seen this and I've heard this discussion, obviously only working for people that have had these discussions. But like the idea of so they openly judge people based on whether they're new money or whether they're old money. And if you're new money, you better be doing the right things with your money or else nobody's going to. talk to you. They're going to oust you from all it. Like, it's like, it's really, it's very old school. Like, it's crazy to think as someone that, like, I've never been rich and I'm never

going to be rich, like, especially like in that, in any of that kind of capacity, that that is such a big thing for them. Yeah. That they're so busy thinking about where people get their money from and judging them on it. Isn't that, like, you have that much time? in your day? Yeah. And you can do that? Yeah. And like, I'm not from New York. I mean, I've lived here for, you know, a while, but like that I think if you're from the Midwest or probably most other places in the country, even I hadn't even heard about the distinction between old money and new money, except from like Titanic, you know, like when they're talking about it. You didn't know that it was like a still, a current conversation. Yes, yes, exactly. So the fact that there is still,

But this is my problem. This is why I follow a bunch of terrible New Yorkers on Instagram because I like to see how they live. You know, it's like I like to see what Hilaria Baldwin does with her. I like to look at what the freaks in Manhattan do, you know? But it's also part of why I love Roney so much because maybe I'm sorry if this is boring to other people. But I find it fascinating because like you'll watch a real housewives of Salt Lake City. and they're all in these huge fuck-off houses and like in so many other ones

they're in these huge houses. And in New York, they have those houses other places, but they're all in apartments. Yeah, well, Hillary Baldwin, all of her selfies are in like a dingy. I'm sure it's not a dingy apartment. I'm sure it's not diggy. They're all like an apartment building a hallway

with kind of bad lighting. And I'm always like, it is an interesting way that rich people live like they still live in apartments. But in L.A., it is very much like that like, oh, that's a pretty much sure for, it's like, I live in an apartment, and that's a surefire way that people are like, oh, then you're no one I need to really be. Like, I feel like there's that immediately. And I'm like, put it Roney, they're all, yeah, maybe they own the whole brownstone, but still it is apartments in it. Which also reminds me that

we then, we don't have to do it now if we're still talking about the celebrity news, but I did watch, I love L.A. with Gideon. I watched the first episode and I Dime, Dime. I want to tell me all about it. Also, speaking of, I'm going to use the Rosetta Stone to be working on my Spanish. Me too. I'm so excited. I'm also so excited.

I'm really excited. I know. Sorry, we've been working with Rosetta Stone for a really long time, and I've always wanted to get, like, they finally gave us that we could use Rosetta Stone. And I was like, this is awesome. This is so awesome. Oh, cool. I know.

I'm really excited. Never, never been a better time to finally learn Spanish and I'm going to. But I, okay. So I love L.A. We went on a journey. And I remember when you watched it, we talked about it. And you were like, it's kind of like girls. But for L.A. and for this time period.

Of course. And I had said that in a way that I had not seen girls. Just throw that out there. I was just saying that like what I knew about girls and it gave me that kind of essence. Right. And so Gideon and I started it. And within the first few minutes, both of us were like, okay, let's finish the episode. but I don't know if I want to watch this because it was giving insufferable, right?

Yes. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But then, of course, you realize as the episode goes on, that it's giving insufferable on purpose. Yes. And by the end, you kind of have this, like, really delightful moment where the two women protagonists of the show connect. And we were both like, okay, let's keep watching it. It is very real journey.

It's very tongue-in-cheek. It's very, I, because I, I'm so glad you finish the first episode because I completely understand. And this is why it brought up for me the conversation of, did I need to go back and watch girls? Because like I felt like I didn't give, especially back then, and I know we've discussed this is a length. I'm not going to get into it. But like, I didn't give it the chance. I didn't give it a chance at all. Zero chance.

I had no, I had no desire to give it a fucking chance. Yes. No, I completely was unfair in my treatment of girls. I was just like, I don't want to know. I'm not going to know. And I almost did the same thing with Al-I-L-A. I was like, these people are annoying, these women are annoying, this depiction of women is annoying, the depiction of like this industry-obsessed city is annoying.

This is all annoying. And then you get to the end and you realize like the end of the first episode and you realize like, oh, it was, it knew it was annoying. I love L'A. She loves it. And I love, I, it is, I'm excited for you to continue to watch it because I'm curious to see what you think about LA afterwards because I do feel very hysterical, obviously, but there are just so many nuggets in it that it's just like, yeah, yeah,

yeah, I've been at that party. Yep, I've been there. Yep, I've had that conversation. Yep, I've unfortunately just like not even saying hello, just like, how many followers do you have? You know, it's like hearing that where you're just like, does that really happen? The answer is yes. Yeah, that's the, it's like, that's the craziest part.

Right. It's all about, yeah, the social media presence, how many followers do you have and the hustle. And that's the other, first I was watching this and I was like, this is a young person's show. I'm not, this is not my, there was a time. Not your hustle. Yeah. This is not my hustle. I'm not trying to be famous. I don't need to watch this. But then I was like, but if it's about female friendships that I do want to watch it. And I really like Rachel Senate, man. I really like what she's doing. I've been an, I also need to look up Shiva baby because someone told.

me to check out Shiva Baby, and I believe it's on Netflix, that I have not been in a place to do it because it seems like it might be a sad one. But I really like Rachel Senate a lot. Yeah, that was, we were trying to look up her body of work, which I know Bodies, Bodies, is kind of the big one and bottoms. And then also... And you've seen bottoms, right? I have not seen bottoms. MJ. I think you should watch. I think you would really... It's I.O. and Rachel Senate. Like, it is such a, and it's a real, it's a great, it's a great movie. I think that's going to go on our movie list. We, I think it should. We, I, I kept wanting to watch, um, to go through the Christopher

guest list of movies after Catherine O'Hara died, but we needed to finish Wonder Man and we've just been very, very busy. Dude, Wonder Man is so good. It's so good. It's so good. Oh my God. It's so good. Yeah. No, I'm so glad. Are you watching with Jeff or on your own? I'm watching it with Jeff. We haven't finished yet. We just watched the episode where it shows where the claws comes from. Yes, that was my favorite episode. Yeah, DeMarra Dorman. Wow, the Dorman Clause. Yes. Josh Gadd. Wonder Man's great. It is, it's genuinely, I know that somebody said it's like Marvel meets the studio and it is, it's very, it's another one of the he's like looking at it from a of a satirical perspective. Yeah.

Yeah. But also it's great. Industry-e shows, which, yeah, I love LA, another very, very industry-e show. But again, just doing. And we've been getting a lot of great feedback from people because we've been asking, like, do you like these industry shows? And I think a lot of people just like to see how the sausage is made. There was a great. Yeah.

We got a great email that was like, I like any industry. Not just like the entertainment industry, but like going. deep on any kind of workplace, you know, that type of thing. And I was like, oh, that makes sense. That's why I love the pit. I don't, this is not my workplace, but I like to be immersed in it, you know, so it makes sense that you might enjoy being immersed in the workplace of the entertainment industry. And I also now have a massive crush on Odessa Zion. And so now I'm like, do I need to go see Marty Supreme? Oh, baby. And I will say she plays a small role in Marty, but she's fabulous in it. And I, it is, I know that she is an adult.

I understand that. But I feel like I've put her in the category of a Robert Irwin. Like I, I'm just like, I find her, she's, I try to look at her like she's a Greek statue. Like I'm just like, you are, you are a gorgeous human being. I think, you know what? I'm glad you said that. Because it's not that I want to date her. It's more that I'm like, what a, I like that you are kind of an interesting, like if I was in my 20s, I would be so excited to try to emulate your vibe, you know, like that.

Oh my God. I would have followed her. I'm just like, how do I be? Yes. If I was 22 and you were 25, I would be following you around just trying to learn from you. Yes, that's it. That's the type of crush I have. It is the type of crush I had on girls when I was 22, girls who were.

Hot and confident. I would just follow them around and be like, how do I be like you? Yes. And just tell, and she is, and I think that's part of, it was so,

such wonderful casting with I Love LA. Odessa Zion makes, it was like that, she's the perfect for that character. Yeah, yeah, because she does have that like, I can't take my eyes off of you.

Yes, and it's like an update to the manic pixie dream girl. Like, we've had this prototype before, this type of character, but it is like a 2026 update, like the influencer, the like, you know, the person who's the TikToker, like, and yeah, it's, it, it, I am, I found myself, again, I just, we went on such a journey. I found myself really being like, I don't want this. And then by the end being like, I do want this. Also,

you know she's the daughter of Pamela Adlin who does Bobby Hill's voice, King of the Hill. And who is done, who's, I mean, also. So Pamela Adlin is also just a great actress. In fact, she was in that show that Mike Lawrence and I were talking about, that show that was all based on, I think that she was in, now I'm talking out of my ass. All right. But she is a great actress as well.

And I didn't realize that that was her daughter when I first saw I Love L.A. And it's like, oh, no wonder. So it also gives her that, like, awesome voice that Odessa Zion has. Yes, yes. And she was recently, I'm trying to. find quickly what she was odessa the thing about zion was cast yeah i'm talking about deep cuts yeah yeah yeah yeah and i was trying to find who she was cast as a character who is a latina character half jewish half mexican yes zoe gutierrez is the name of the character based on a 2025 novel

and zion is jewish and she said she hadn't read the book and was unaware of the character's origins when she signed onto the project. After a public out, this is from Variety that I'm reading, after a public outcry over complaints of whitewashing, Zion swiftly exited the movie. But it was like really fast. I mean, it was like the kind of thing where she saw that and she's like, oh, I don't want nothing to do with this. And it pulled the shoot. And I was like, I like, I like that. Hell yes, bitch. Okay. Listen to this quote, she posted, guys, I am with all of you and I am not doing this movie. F that. I'm out. Zion wrote. late January on our Instagram stories. I'm so, so sorry that this happened. It is so important

for me to let you know how it all went down. I went in for Percy, but it was offered Zoe instead. I said, yes, I'm so pissed y'all. I hadn't read the book and I should have paid attention to all aspects of Zoe before accepting. And now that I know what I know, fuck that, I'm out. Yeah, is an interesting, effective model for what to do if you're called out on something. Like, oh, this is, I shouldn't have been cast in this because this is whitewashing? heard, note taken, I will step down. That's well done. And now she's

going to get positive press for it. Like, even though it was initially a mistake. Like, really showing how easy it is to take a note, you know? How you can take the initiative. And, you know, but also just sidebar. Also, why I'm in love with Pamela Adlin. She did Spinelli

too. That's, she's my deep voice from recess, the show recess. And I was obsessed with Spinelli. I wanted to be Spinelli. I wanted to kiss Spinelli. Like, I wanted everything about Spinelli. And so I feel like this is all coming full circle. I haven't thought about recess in quite some time. But yeah, no, that was... Oh, Jeff, Jeff calls out my Spinelli dumb every once in a while. Like, if I come out with my docks on and a skirt, and I mean, he's, you know, as someone that watched recess also at

formative ages, and he's just like, oh, you're giving Spinelli right now. And, but like, in a fine way, we were all children when we watch a show. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine to be in love with the I was more of a Hey Arnold than a recess. Oh, I mean, I also loved to A. Arnold. Yeah. I was just raised by television. That's all.

I was just raised on it all. Yeah, no, it can be, it can be both. Yes, but and also sidebar, because some people did ask what I'm thinking about. Bro, a Knight of the Seven Kingdoms is so good. It's so good. It's so good. I have been doing a lot of sleeping on the couch while my husband watches it. So I...

Okay. Does that count? It does. And I, as, like, I'm not even like a, like, oh, Game of Thrones, Game of Thrones, you know, I'm not that person. I did read them before the shows came out. I watched the shows, but I wasn't, I've never been, like, crazy rabid about it. But I'm really liking this 97 Kingdoms, like, Dunkin' Egg in.

are the cutest. And I also didn't know. And it was funny because I was around someone that knew that I wasn't familiar with the story. And he did the Jeff like, does she know? Does she know? And I was like, do I know what? Do I know?

And now I know. And it's cool and it's fun. And all of it's cool and fun. I just keep saying, I just keep looking at it and being like, oh, it's like the Mandalorian. It's got a little kid and a big guy. But I know that it's, it's different. But that's, that's, that's what I got.

It's more than that. It's so good. And Dunk is so big. And I just, I, it's another one of these shows that I thought that I was going to sit next to my husband, what, like what you are doing. Yeah. I thought it was just going to be one of those like, yeah. Yeah, there it is.

But it is really great. Okay. Well, I'm glad that you're enjoying it, and I'm glad my husband is enjoying it. I'm glad your husband is enjoying it as well. I am sad that I wasn't able to give more time because when I was really sick, someone told me about this new show called Suddenly Amish. And while I was very sick, I kept singing to myself, Suddenly Seymour, but about being Amish and I was enjoying myself about it.

Or suddenly Susan, you could also do. Sure, suddenly Susan, which do you remember the theme song of Suddenly Susan? No, I don't even know. It's Susan, it's Susan, and I think she's in the city, or is that Caroline in the city? Did we confuse them both? Yeah, if that's the theme song. I was going to say, there was a number of, this is sexist of me, women-fronted sitcoms. Wow.

That I mix up, Caroline in the city. Sybil, I'm looking at you. Sybil, I'm looking at you. Wow. Suddenly Susan. And Veronica's closet. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Murphy Brown. Oh, sure. Oh, yeah. Get a Candice Bergen on it. Yes, I'm unloading my internalized misogyny out to you people to be upset with me about. I accept it. I'm sorry. I think every, all right, you're listening to this right now.

And you're, you know, you're also going. through these and you're saying other ones that you're thinking about right now. That all's like, some were better than others. We know this. Some were better than others. Some were, but I don't know which ones they were. And do we include Matt about you in this or is there too much Paul riser? Too much Paul riser. Okay.

So it's not. All right. This is literally me being a girl in the 90s and being like, huh, a bunch of women's sitcoms I'm not watching, you know. Yeah. Designing women. Designing women. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I don't know what suddenly Susan was about. But, Brooke Schultz is there. Looking at it now and looking at this cast, I know 100% I watch probably every episode of Suddenly, Susan. I know I did. I mean, I think we should put step by step in there because I think that's, what's her name, Suzanne Summers. Suzanne Summers, was the face of it.

I often also sexist, mix up Sally Struthers and Suzanne Summers, two totally different people. Wow. Yes, I'm a sexist. I'm a sexist. I'm glad that we're really getting to the bottom of this, though. I've been living with the guilt of being a sexist. Of being a sexist. And let it out, MJ.

What else are you sexist about? I don't know. I'm sure that it comes out all the time. I subconsciously. But back to suddenly Amish. Okay, suddenly Amish. Very important. I actually got, but the problem was I was so sick and I was watching it and I was like,

I actually weirdly feel too bad for the Amish. community because here's the thing mj the amish community is having a lot of troubles continuing their communities yeah and it is very difficult for them so this guy it's hard it's hard how do you make money right but it's it's and not only that but it's like keeping them away from technology and it's like how do you it's like especially with rum springa and they're able to like and again i i think that if you all have been listening to me for many years you do know We spent many summers in Amish country because my mom is a quilter. So I weirdly know so much about the Amish community, which is why an old roommate of mine told me about suddenly Amish and said that they thought that I would like it.

But I, you know, MJ, what I'm about to say is like, but I feel like your answer would be, but you watch Milt Manor. I feel like this was too, like they weren't trying hard enough. and I feel like no one was doing the problem. It's like if you really need to bring it because they keep having inbreeding problems and having such issues with the children that they were bringing in people that are not Amish to come in to see

if they could be seduced by Amish life so that they would join and become Amish. Okay, so this is a show about recruiting people to try to be Amish. So that essentially they can breed them. I don't know why that's, anything's wrong with that. I mean, but I'm just kidding.

But I am saying like they go into it knowing that this is, but my problem was I was like, you know, that is a fascinating idea. But I wish this were like a 90-day fiancee from like 10 years ago where they're actually finding people that would, that are looking for a community, that are looking for. But instead they find some like girl that's wearing like tiny clothes and she's like an dancer in L.A. And she's like, I love God. I can do it.

And then it's like another guy that's like, I hate nature, but I think I can do it. It's like, no, you're not going to be able to do it. You're not going to become Abish. But then my problem is, as this was spiraling in my brain, as I'm watching this so sick and by myself. And it's like, Jackie, what did you expect? Like, did you expect them to really be trying to help the Amish?

They're not going to be. It's TLC. It's TLC. Of course they're not going to be. But this does bring up an interesting question because there's obviously a lot of people for whom modern life has become completely miserable and untenable and people want to unplug and they want to go off the grid. And I know that going off the grid does not mean becoming Amish because it's a specific religion and everything. And I think a lot of people's response to technology and everything is to go like homestead. And then ironically, they're homesteading and they're like Instagramming it.

So it's not actually a rejection of technology. technology, it's more like a rejection of like being a contributing member of a greater society. Of a culture. Yeah. It's like part of being shunned and part of one of the Amish people is someone that was shunned from their community that is being brought in to try to, I guess, like teach these people because he's trying to get back into the good side of the community. But why would they give him the opportunity to be on television then? And I couldn't get past that. It was like if he shunned, they wouldn't be talking. to him. He's not a part of the community anymore. And I feel like they're lightly dealing with the idea of shunned because they would not be bringing

him into this project. And then I had to shut it off. And then I was like, Jackie, I think you're thinking too much about this show that does not matter. And what's funny is that we know how serious Amish shunning is from a different TLC show. Remember that one about the people

who are dating from different cultures. They're jerking off too much. And that one guy who was Amish. He was addicted to porn. He was addicted to porn. Oh, I remember. I don't remember the show, but I remember that guy that was addicted to porn. I don't remember what it was called. But it was, yeah, it was very, the premise was just like, what about an Amish and a regular person?

And what about it? Oh, yeah, because I think it was, it was just really differing. Different religions. It was like one of those, you know. It was like different religions date, which. She's a slut and he's addicted to porn. But that's because he's never had a phone before. Part of his problem was that he was like so traumatism.

from being shunned. And that it seems like once you're out of the Amish, you're really out. And that's so. Yeah. And again, we know that thanks to a different TLC show whose name I have already forgotten. But I don't know. Maybe some of these, maybe some people could join the Amish. Obviously, phones are destroying us.

Go get weird and, you know, build a house. Reject it. I guess that's my question for you guys. Are you watching suddenly Amish? and should I continue? Or are you watching suddenly Susan? And then you got confused and you realized, oh my God,

it's 30 years in the future. And it's like, yeah, guys, it's not 1997. It's not. I wonder what suddenly Susan was about. She's a magazine writer. Okay. Now, what was Murphy Brown about? Isn't that what Veronica's closet was, though?

What was Murphy Brown about? Was she also a magazine? She owns a book, a lingerie and book company. And Murphy Brown was a TV reporter. And what else are we missing? Sybil. Sybil, what were you about? Sybil?

What were you about? Sybil. All I'm thinking about is Christine Baranski, and I want to remember what was going on with Christine Beranski. Sybil was about an actress? They're all about... Was she just Sybil, Sheridan? Sybil.

Did we watch the show Sybil? Did I watch the show Sybil before I realized she was just playing her. self. Sybil Shepard was playing Sybil Sheridan, a 40-something actress living in Los Angeles, past her prime working in an industry that worships youth. Oh, sounds like I'm out of L.A. Okay. Sybil, if I could remember the difference between you and the others, sounds relevant. Well... Sounds relevant. Oh, sounds relevant. Uh-oh, but Danny Masterson was there, so let's not revisit Sybil. All right, we won't go back to Sybil. Go back to suddenly, Susan, it is.

I'm so glad that I figured out the difference between those four shows. Thank you for going on that journey with me. You said them aloud to me and I still don't. No, I just remember that there was different. It's a woman with a career. And that's the premise. And honestly, that's enough in the 90s. That was all they needed.

A woman with a job? White woman. Working outside of the home. No, I've seen everything. It seems like that was the general premise. You know, I did include the link talking about the puppy that died from the puppy bowl, but we don't need to get into that. I think that was a grief inclusion. It was a grief choice.

I believe it was a grief choice. Can I blame the grief on it? I don't think we need to talk about the extremely disabled puppy who died before they could play in the puppy bowl. It was just funny because it was right after the show on Tuesday. And Adam was like, man, you were reading that. sad list. I can't believe he didn't bring up the puppy from the puppy bowl. And I was like, what happened with the puppy with the puppy bowl? And then as he, he's like, oh, wait, and as I'm like, Adam, the puppy with the puppy bowl died. And he's like, I said it was a sad story. I don't know why

you thought it was a good story. I thought maybe that you were saying that it would make me happy about the puppy and the puppy bowl. And it was such a cartoonish experience. No, no, no. You're going to want to move past that story. But you don't want to keep going. But we can talk about the Traders Because the Traders is on a hot streak Y'all, that Okay, last week's episode Spoiler alert for the Traders.

Spoiler alert for the Traders. The week before, everybody kept saying like the episode with the banquet, like the buffet. Yeah. Everyone kept saying that is the best episode of the season. I dare say last week's episode was the best with the gameplay.

Oh, for sure. Everything that happens. Recreating the paintings was... That was the first time that I cared about the game. Like usually the game, I'm like, fast forward. But the game of having to recreate like Renaissance art paintings as actors, I was like, this is so funny. I love this.

I think as they have less people, they're able to do more fun challenges. Yeah, yeah. That's, I feel like what happened with the last season. So in the first ones, it's more like relay stuff just because there's so many of them. Right, right. But then the... Then all of the things get more fun as time goes on. Yeah.

And it was just weirdly gripping. Can I, I know I'm not alone in being very surprised by big snake. And yeah, we're calling him big snake in this house. He's a big snake. He's a snake man. He fucked up everything. Ah, no, he didn't. No, he didn't.

Oh, no, he didn't. Oh, no. He didn't, he did exactly. Here's a thing. Housewives. Can't trust the Housewives. Yeah. Can't trust the Housewives to be doing.

Housewives are looking after themselves. And Housewives weren't paying attention when other people are also looking out for themselves. Yeah. Yeah. I just, I mean, and also, all love to Candice, there is an Entertainment Weekly interview with her that I am. Candy ass. Candy ass that I'm going to read. But Candice just absolutely fond.

humbled the ball these last two episodes. Lisa and Kim is both. Terrible, terrible, terrible. I thought it was beautiful poetry. The edit that Candy Ass got on last week's episode because, all right, I mean, it is, we're obviously we're talking about it, so we're spoiling a bit, but just the conversation, the last conversation, she was trying so desperately, so desperately. And you could tell at the end of it, she did this, like, smirk where she was like,

see. I did it. I just did it. I saved myself. Did you just see what I just did? It really goes to show how far confidence will take you. Being a beautiful, confident woman, I was like, oh, does she have this? And that everyone is like, actually, actually what you just did makes no sense. No sense. You named him yesterday as a quote unquote throwaway vote. And then today you're saying, actually, maybe it is him. Made no sense. You are really making it very obvious. But she, Didn't look, I mean, that is one thing I will say about both Lisa and Candice. They didn't look, well, Lisa looks a little bit like a deer in the headlights. Candace looked very confident. Candice didn't look scared. No. Like, I got this. No.

And then they all, everybody voted for her. I, it really is. It's the confidence of being so much of your life as a beautiful woman that I, I don't, I could never scrape up. Like, can you imagine I'm a traitor and you're coming at me telling me, I would just be like, I, me, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. Because of everything you said that was so sweet about me earlier, MJ, about me being friends with people and all that, I could never do. I think that's why, and I don't, I guess I do feel bad that I feel like I came out a little hot against Ron.

And because I would also be, I'd be very bad in it. But at the same time, I was asked like four years ago, to try out for Big Brother. And I was like, oh, maybe I could do Big Brother. And then I watched some episodes of Big Brother. And I was like, I can't do this. Yeah, yeah. No, you couldn't possibly do this.

You couldn't be mean. And that is, it's cute to see the people who are like, I don't want to be a trainer. I don't want to be mean. But I will say, just a quick shout out to Candice. There's an Entertainment Weekly interview with her that is actually kind of interesting. I'm just scanning it now. but the interviewer brings up bias and traitors, and there's been some discussion this season

about black cast members getting out early, like being kicked out early. And so what Candace says basically is like, well, you know, she says black people, I'll speak for me and my community. We are expressive and we are a colorful personality in the room. And when you're in a game, when everyone senses are heightened,

it gets easier to go to the glitter in the room, the star in the room, and begin to question those people. So she says like her and Monet exchange, and she's like, people see us as suspicious because we are glitter, we are light. So it's just an interesting perspective. And, you know, to have, I'm just reading this now. But that, you know, bringing that in like with what happened with Monet Exchange and Ron and her.

And Bob from last season too. I mean, yeah. God, he was so great. So shout out to Candace. I do think that you fumbled the ball on these last. two episodes, but I agree that you're glitter. I love Candace. I think she's just a cool, I like, I love Lisa Rina. I love Candice. And I don't like Rob because he is a snake. Yeah, he's a big old snake. He is very good at weapon. I talk about identity. He is very good

at weaponizing his big, dumb white boy persona. It couldn't be me. Everyone's like, well, it seems like Candace was really trying to tell us it's Rob, but it couldn't be Rob. But that's He's too dumb. It's definitely not Rob. Yeah. I am flabbergasted. It is, man, I really thought up top, I was like, he is going to biff this. He is going to be so bad at this just because, man, my judgments from Love Island, my judgments from watching him for many, many, many hours without clothes on. It was, you know, it was just kind of baked in. Yeah. Not, I mean, he doesn't seem smart, but he, is good at this game. I think, yeah, I mean, honestly, I think that Candace and Lisa were just too sincere, you know, and maybe too good a people. Like, and Rob is just like, of course I'll betray you. It's a game. Yeah, it's a game. And whereas Candace and Lisa, we're trying to be a team and be there for each other. Can I even just say how innocuous Rob is to all of them, that he literally walked you to a room where Stephen and Candy Ass were talking and he goes to Stephen, he's like,

hey, can you piece for a second? I got to talk to her. If anybody else had done that, they'd be like, oh, why are Candy Ass and Rob sitting and have a conversation by themselves in the other room? I thought the same thing. But she can get away with it. Nobody is suspicious of Rob. No, it's, it is, wow. It's wild. It is the way that he is able to just completely skate under the radar because he looks like I'm just so impressed. Yeah. Yeah. You know, dumbass is a form of identity. He loves snakes. He does love snakes. I know it's trashy. I think that snake tattoo is real hot, though. I think it's real hot. I could imagine a world in which I'm attracted to Rob. It's not this world, but I understand it. You watch Love Island and you watch him really just the dead eyes he has as these girls are like, Rob, what do you like me, Rob? Rob, Rob. And, he's just like, yeah, I mean, I like snakes.

But yeah, this is good too, yeah. And just so not giving anything. Yeah, but a lot of those guys, I think, don't really have any interests. And so I actually do think that he's more interesting than... You know, it's funny, as I'm saying this, you don't care about this at all. But for my love islanders out there, I wonder if they were trying to do the same thing with Rob, because Rob did have such, like, he's really good at snakes and like that stuff. and he has, he's very, very knowledgeable about a very specific thing.

But then in the last season, they had that doper rope that cleaned pools. And I feel like they were trying to be like, it's just like Rob with the snakes. And he's just like, yeah, I've cleaned pool. I've cleaned the pool. Like he was just so didn't have anything going on behind his eyes that like, I do wonder if they were trying to fill that, that. whole. Yeah. But they didn't fill it properly. A man with an interest versus a man with a job. Yes. Just a man with an interest inherently more interesting than a man with a job. We love a man with a job,

especially in a show like that. Love it. Do love it. But it is, it is funny though. I've talked to many single friends that are like, have an interest. If you have a hobby in something, even if it's, you love to go bowling. I don't care. Yeah. Have an interest in any. Yeah. No, it's, it helps. It helps. Yeah, that's me and really can get you far. Jackie's day the goodbyes. Have something you care about. Interest in anything. Just be, you know, because I really love, man, there's nothing like, it's one of my favorite

questions when I go into a room and I'm talking to people that I don't know and I ask them, what's something you did this month that made you smile? Oh. And asking that kind of question rather than asking, what do you do or asking? It's like to find something like, what's sparking anything within you? That's what I want to know about. a person when I get to know. Yeah.

Clean and pools. Anyway. Clean and pool. And if it's cleaned and pools, tell me about cleaning pools. What's the craziest thing you've ever found in a pool filter? You know, like I can ask a question about anything. Oh my God. I did talk on the show about how I had to fish a live rat out of the pool, right?

Ah. Why was it still alive? I don't know. It was because rats are very persistent. Resilient. Very resilient. Yeah. Ooh, it was a very unpleasant experience.

I did. I did do that. And then I told my kids, don't tell the New York City rats that I saved a rat's life. And now they tell all the New York City rats. No, no, no. You wait until you watch that rat slide right under your door because they're made out of jellybones. I know. I know.

And that's science. So thank you guys so much for joining us on this week's episode of Second Helppings. I had a blast with you, MJ. I love talking. Oh, you know I love talking TV. And again, really. very important if you've continued on in watching suddenly Amish and I should continue watching it. Let me know. I, you know, I love a really bad TLC show. I love a TLC show where someone's

going to get arrested. I wonder what happened to the Polly, Polly whatever. Man, Nick, shut that shit down. I'm, I hope that one of, that that one guy who needed to be arrested, I don't, I don't know. I don't know what I hope. I hope that some accountability has happened for whatever might have shut that show down so quick. But I love a trashy TLC. I will try to check out Sondley Amish before next week. And I thank you for recommending I love L.A. Because I am having a good time with it. And I think that you listeners might as well. Hell yeah. Oh, thank you, MJ. Thank you so much. And thank you for the Wonder Man wreck. Yeah. Because, man, really knocked it out of the park. Because you know, you say Marvel and I shut off.

Yes. But it's a good one. Yeah. No, it's a good one. Everybody, have a great week. Be good to yourselves. Be good to other people. Let's just, we're gonna, and just, let's be the opposite of Jill Zer. All of us together. We love you guys.

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