Page 7 - Second Helpings - Grizzled Half Alive Elder

Episode Date: December 12, 2025

This week on Second Helpings, Jackie and MJ are back to talk more of this weeks goss'! Up top producer Adam, MJ and Jackie talk about the upcoming Bright Eyes anniversary shows, and Jackie gets more ready for Christmas by listening to Evermore for the first time this season, and then there's some more Tay talk including her recent Colbert appearance! JoJo Siwa announces a return to form with a massive bow filled cruise, HILARIA let us know she HAS to post photos of her kids, or else the papz won't leave her alone! Outside of the holiday season watches, Jackie's been bingin' "Madmen" with Geoff and lovin' it, as well as "Welcome to Derry"  AND "Heated Rivalry" the mere image of Jacob Elordi made Jackie's brain break, but he's doing "Actors on Actors" with GOOP! Timothée Chalamet's Ping-Pong character gonna be on the Wheaties box, Jackie enjoyed "Rental Family", and Jackie hopes MJ, along with everyone gets PLURIB'D, and then a solemn moment of realization that this is the first non-DWTS episode until next season! All that and more on this weeks Second Helpings!Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Probably better Or will be better Or will it I don't know We're deprived of any Jakey Slakies We don't have Jakey Slakies We have no stars to dance with Although I guess we can talk about dancing with the holidays

But not even I'm not prepared Don't you even bring it up Never bring it up in front of me ever again It's not the same. It's over. Dancing with the holidays is not the same. Put it in the ground. Put it to the ground.

Forget it. Dancing with the stars is over until the tour starts. Yes. Oh my God. You and Gass and you're both going to the tour and I want to go to the tour. You go to the tour? Also, unrelated, but guess what? I've been just talking about how I'm trying to go to things and do events.

And Adam, Adam, thank you for looking out. Adam emailed me yesterday saying, I'm sure you saw that Bright Eyes is performing. I'm wide awake it's morning. and Digital Ashton and Digital Learn in their entirety this summer in New York City. And I said, don't worry, Adam. My brother just got tickets as we speak. So, yes.

Oh, my God. Congrats. Wait, Adam, did you guys get tickets to? An hour later, I got tickets as well. Yes, Adam. Congratulations to you both. Yes. Sad emo boys rise up.

Sad emo boys rise up. And I was texting with my brother about this, and I'm pretty sure I saw this exact same version of this comment. concert in Minneapolis in what must have been 2006 or 2007 because I've also, you too? Yes. And my future wife, who I did not know at the time, was also in the audio. Oh, my God.

Because I'm like, I brought you together, which I think it only destroyed couples, but, you know, I guess it brought you guys together. Well, we knew each other by the time we were, you know, I mean, we were still very young, but kind of put together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you were on your way to getting put together. On our way to getting put together. Yeah, the risk with bright eyes is that, I mean, speaking from my own experience, is that, well, it can really comfort, he really comforts you to make you feel that you're not alone in your feelings.

He can also really direct you to thirst for emotionally unavailable alcoholics. Oh, does it. And so after that decade passed, I was able to find a healthy relationship. But, you know, so, but I think I saw. the entire album, both of these entire albums performed in their entirety before. And Adam, I'm so glad that you're validating this. Because I was like asking my brother and he was like, I think so, but I don't really remember. So I'm doing it again, baby. And it's going to be freaking awesome. I'm so excited. I'm so happy for you both. You're going to have such a blast.

Or do you know, like it's like, so you and your brother are going, like, is Gideon going to be? Our spouses, me and my brother and our spouses are all going to go. Oh, my God. Because it's about to be like, I mean, you got to be able to look into the eyes of the one you kiss when you're listening to bright eyes. Or if you have somebody to kiss, I feel like you need to have them there at the bright eyes. You do. But the problem is this is really where me and Gideon's like slight generational difference comes to a – because he's like a pavement guy, you know, and I'm –

Sounds like he likes laying on the sidewalk. Please continue. Just face down on the sidewalk. sidewalk. He's a pavement guy. Yeah, he just, he loves the feet. I'll leave him there. He likes a guy.

No, I mean, we, we do share, like, the mountain goats together, which is funny to me, how can you love the mountain goats without loving bright eyes? I literally don't know. I literally don't know. But he loves the mountain goats, but has never been a bright eyes boy, more of a, I mean, you know, he started off as a Metallica boy, but then I think his, like, quote, unquote, emo phase would have been more of the, like, pavement realm and, like, the one, the other Minneapolis band

the other Minneapolis band the replacements. Oh, nothing like garbage. Although probably garbage. So anyway, he will be there and I don't think he'll be like rolling his eyes and harumfing but I don't think he will be like

reliving his entire youth, you know, through it. Yeah, the way, yeah. Yeah, I under, I mean, it's like when Jeff and I went to and Adam and Sam, when we all went to the Postal Service concerts.

And the four of us were all just like, Yeah, it is all four of us were the sad, same sad emo boys that all grown up together separately, though. And that's why, you know, you find your people as you get older. Sometimes you've got to throw on postal service and just remember trying to, like, you know, get high inside of a Toyota Corolla on the beach, you know? Yeah, and like also, like, you can go back and revisit. the things that were so meaningful to you when you were young and it's not always true that you're in a better place. Sometimes it's the opposite. But it also is like, I'm like, wow, what will it be like to see bright eyes and like not be personally like pining for love and

wondering if anyone will ever see me or care about me? Bro, I was just thinking about weirdly almost this same thing on the way to work this morning because this morning I, for the first time this season, I listened to Evermore, which you know, that is my TAY winter album. And during Champaign Problems, which is one of my favorite songs of the album, there is this line that I used to, like, when it first came out, it was more, it hurt more because I identified with it more. And then now, listening to it this morning, as I silently am crying as I drive to work at 7.45, and I was thinking about like how I've grown and how we used to listen to this song differently years ago

and now I think about where I am and that like that used to hurt in such a different way and of course you're wondering which side, which part of the song. Sometimes I just don't know the answer to someone's on their knees and ask you she would have made such a lovely bride what a shame she's fucked in the head they said but you'll find the real thing instead

she'll patch up your tapestry that I shred and I cried to it this morning but maybe everybody's going to be crying as they're watching the Taylor Swift Stephen Colbert interview I wanted to bring this up because Taylor Swift and I and yes I did call her a narcissist

yesterday on the show and also even though we understand that that means something and then maybe she just has narcissistic tendencies yes I'm not a psychiatrist I can't diagnose her, but she just loves to look inward. But I did watch the clip of her on Stephen Colbert, talking about the books she likes to read, and she likes to read the exact same types of books as me and Holden. Oh my God, she's just like you. She's just like us. I'm also

going to get married on June 13th, and yes, move out of my way, bitches. We're coming to Rhode Island. You know, I like to hand it to her when she, when, you know, I like they had to do her sometimes. And I did think that this clip of her talking about the book she likes, if you've got an old rambling, shambles, old British mansion covered in moss or Ivy, and there's a mysterious relationship, and he may or may not be what he seems, and there's a murder that has happened in the past, but you can hear whispers of it. And there's the idea of a ghost or an actual ghost. And I was like, bitch, I love those books. I see you and I get you. They're just, you know, It's like, it's just the problem is sometimes, though, when she's trying to be relatable, like in this interview, like everybody knows, like, oh, she doesn't do this kind of thing very often.

Everybody knows that she's trying to do PR for the end of an era, which I am annoyed by, but I know that the people that are excited for it are excited for it. So you have yours, and I'm not going to yuck all over your yums, even though they should all be universal yums. I'm not going to yuck on your universally yums. Oh, man, there was a violet candy in my yum box yesterday. I'm not talking about my pussy. If I start finding candy in my pussy, you've got to send me away. You do have to start calling it your yum box, though. Oh, no.

No, not because every time we see magic box on Buffy, we always have to make mention of a vagina. So it's like, now I'm going to be thinking Yumbox in the same breath. Yeah, well, also, Taylor Smith, she's a bread girl. Oh, my God, she's not like the other girl. See, this is the problem. And while she is simultaneously so relatable, she says she's a bread girl, and I'm annoyed by it. Yeah, that's annoying.

I'm like, oh, you're a bread girl. That's annoying. Okay, cut to me eating like an entire loaf of facacha as I like pour an olive oil. I'm just like, ah, it's better this way. I need to eat it. I have to save other people from it. Like that's, I want to see her eat a facacha like a goblin. If I could, like, I think to expand upon why it was so, like, pleasant to hear her talk about the books she likes, it's like, I think it was kind of similar to like why it was nice to hear Gwyneth on hot ones where you're.

like, oh, if you, if you, like, show that you're actually a creative. Obviously, she's creative. She makes a million albums a year. But like, like, you know, she's like, if you present me with a plot line where there's a family compound on an island off the coast of Maine, there's secrets in the family. It's like she's being funny. Like, like, and it's not, it's not relatable. There's a difference. I don't, saying a bread girl, you're trying to be relatable. Describing the plots of these extremely formulaic genres of books that many of us love to. to find comfort in, like, I don't know, there is something where it feels, there's like a very fine line between being like, I'm saying something that's like pretty funny, even if

it's like a little basic. Yes, like, I love mystery books about bitches. But like, and then it can very quickly cross over into like, I love mystery books about bitches. Neffel over here. But then like, it could very quickly cross over when you're like, I'm a bride girl. And it's just like, I'm immediately annoyed now. And, and this is, you know, this is the, like, this is the, like, life she lives. It's very hard. Sometimes you're like. Think about the cage that she lives within. Sometimes you're not annoying and you're a lot of fun and then sometimes you immediately are annoying. And that's got to be hard. Walking on eggshells. That's what. That's what. That's. That's, that. And I'm saying it from me. I'm not saying she's the bitch. I'm saying me's the bitch. And you know,

you got to understand that sometimes we all contain. spectrums, and we're allowed to be annoyed by one person for one moment and then not be annoyed by the next. And cry to them by morning and be annoyed to them one hour later. You damn, right. I mean, can you imagine the ebbs and flows that are going to be ripping through the minds of the special people chosen to go on the Jojo Siwa cruise? I did send this ad to MJ because I've been getting.

ads for the Jojo Seawalk cruise. I thought it was a joke at first. I don't want to receive them anymore. I was like, this is a funny, like, AI joke and then I realized it's real. It's real. It's real.

It's Jojo Sewalk Cruise, and you get as much Jojo as you can cram in your goddamn yumb box. But also, it's weird because it's like, it's like a decade ago, Joejo. They're like, come on this boat and, like, make big bows. make a bunch of sequinship.

Make big bows. Yeah, it's very weird and childlike. But then also she's like, but I'm like a big scary lesbian. And it's like, okay, but you, like, it's a, wow. It's like with the kiss makeup, like, is she going to have the kiss makeup on the entire time? Yeah. Is she going to go back to that?

Even though she said that was not what she wanted to wear. The marketing for the Jojo Cruise is, you know, I think, again, they're in a tough spot. They have to be like, who wants to go on this cruise? I think eight-year-old. you know so it's like it's it's it's it's the royal caribbean one it's called the utopia of the seas and it's got a water slide i mean it's utopia of the seas it's going to be arts and crafts but it is a little bit weird to it was this is like the the jojo's like i was introduced to jojo siwa

brand shit like at target you know because it like years ago like six years ago or whatever because masks oh god i remember fucking during the pandemic i ordered jojo siwa masks trying to get desperately get my, you know, two and three-year-old to wear them because they're all pink go for you. Do that go easily? Pink unicorns. I just had a flashback to this because I had to take a kid to the doctor. And I was like, we're going to wear a mask because other, you know, if you're going to the doctor at this time of the year, everyone else is going to be sick. Right.

And my brain immediately went back to like, like, this was my six-year-old. And I was like, I had to try to put a mask on you when you were like one and a half. And man, that was not fun. No. And you can't staple it to their faces either. No, you cannot staple it to their faces. And I mean, I imagine Hilaria is out there wishing she could do the same to her own children. Even though I guess if she wanted to staple the masks to their faces, it would be in order to sell the masks.

So what if she would win overall? We are bringing up Eladia. And not just to just genuinely, like we usually do, yell about how she posts her children's faces on. Instagram, but she was recently talking about how she has to post the pictures of her kids. Like, she has to do, like, you guys, listen for a second, like, she has to do it or else she gets hounded by paparazzi. And when she first had her children 12 years ago, like for the first one, she, she accepted $95,000 for it.

And, like, that was meaningful for her because she took that $95,000 and she donated. it to a charity in Mallorca. Myorka. Our first child, she says... It's meaningful. It's meaningful. She sold a picture of the first child, which who was the one who has the podcast. Our first child was $95,000.

It felt meaningful. I donated it to an organization in Mallorca where my family lives for children who have been sexually abused. I wanted to say, okay, here's a system. Someone's going to make money off of this, whether or not it's somebody chasing me down the street or this, an outlet who buys a photo, there's money to be had, and I'm going to put that in a good place. Wow.

Do you need some help bending over backwards, Alaria? Oh, no, you don't because you're a yoga instructor. Yeah, and she can be naked. She can show you muscle by muscle how to do it, MJ, if you'd like to see it. As she is bending over backwards. So her explanation, this was on the vial files, by the way, which people have resoundingly recommended we do not listen to. I remember we brought it up once, and everyone was like, don't listen to it.

I watch the clip. I see the little clipies, but I don't go much further than that. Yeah, we don't need to. But she was, this is asking why she posts her fucking kids on Instagram so much, which is how you know she does it a lot. If it's coming up in your media hits, it's like, why are you doing this? And so her justification is, well, I used to sell their pictures to the paparazzi. And now I post them on the on Instagram for free. And if you're like, that doesn't sound like a justification, good point, because it's not. But what she's saying is that when she posts all of their shit on Instagram for free all day every day, the paparazzi doesn't have to bother her kids, which is also not true because she's constantly

complaining about the paparazzi and the paparazzi aren't after her kids as much as they are after her unpredictably explosive husband. So if you want to keep the paparazzi away from your kids, you might want to keep them away from your unpredictable and explosive husband. Or her, you know, when she's got a book coming out, you know, when she's, She'll, she loves the paparots to pretend that this, I mean, it's just, oh, ooh, I love, I loved sending you this article because I was like, oh, this is going to piss MJ off. I love pissing you off with Alaria News. I'm just like, I must beg you guys, you Hilaria, don't post pictures of your children without their shirts on. Or at least make $95,000 to do it. Like, get that opportunity money out there. And I know that we can't all be George and Mal Clooney in every way because they're perfect.

But, you know, they've shuttled their children off to a remote village in France or whatever so that they, the children can have a normal life. But I do think that that's like perhaps maybe the gold standard we should hold celebrities, hold it up to or even just be normal. Like, like, I've seen pictures of like Megan Fox's kids because of paparazzi takes pictures of them if they're like trying to walk. walk into the home goods, you know? Right. Like, you know, and that's got to suck. But like, I don't know. I just, Hilaria is so obviously has, has realized that she doesn't have much to offer now that she can't offer being from Spain. So what she has to offer is having seven kids. And she's like, let me, let me parade them around for you. And you'll pay me. As if we haven't watched reality stars do that in the past and fall completely apart because of it.

I think it's good. Keep trying. You know, I keep supporting these families that are like, why do we have all these kids? And that everyone's like, oh, my God, it's so zany. And I'm saying this is somebody that watched so many years of the 19 kids and counting and the 20 and counting. And I was fascinated by it. Six schizophrenic brothers. And then you find out there's a lot of fucking problems.

Yeah, yeah, I do. And, you know, yeah, we love a big family over here, but we do not love a child exploitation over here. That's where we draw the line. Unless they're really good at it. You know, because like if that kid has got like the lips for it, you know, like it really depends on what the kid has given. You know, it's like if we're talking about like an Elizabeth Hurley's son. Yeah, I'm bringing him back up. At least he's an adult. I don't know if she was posting pictures of her kissing him on the lips. No, I don't know. I don't think she was. At least I feel like we would have talked about this years in the past. I would hope so. Yeah, once, listen, once the Baldwin kids emerge as adults, they can, they can, you know, kiss their mom on the lips as much as they want, I guess. But, or if they're still. Kiss my mom on the lips. Kiss my dad on the lips, please. Sorry, on Jackin. We do have a wonderful member of chat that made this music video a long time ago. And when I was having issues with my father, we kept playing, I kiss my dad on the lips. I kiss my dad on the lips and it was a funny song. But then I realized it's an inside joke not for here. But that's okay, guys. You know, sometimes you dance around with the little box of your father's ashes and it makes the fireball go down easier. But we're not here to talk about fireball. We're here to talk about the holiday season. Yeah, we've been holiday and all about. And also, So if you want to check out the things that MJ and I have been watching holiday-wise, go check out this week's episode of Celebrities, which is our holiday roundup, where we all, where we screamed about our other, the other things in our life.

Not a book inside, just, just Christmas movies. Well, outside of Kiss of the Basslist, which I am still reading. And I got to tell you, man, that Serpent King is getting it. in and out of situations, vaginally. I have to open up the link. I didn't open up the links of all of our needs. What holiday stories? I was going to talk about Mad Men.

I was just going to talk about Mad Men because I've been so fully invested in the world of Mad Men outside of the world of the holiday season because my partner does not care for the watchings of the holiday season. and I think MJ, you and I both share that. Yes. And a big Scrooge McDuck over here. So with him, we've been watching a lot of Mad Men, and we've ripped you.

And I just want to say, shoutouts to Tinderella. We're going through Mad Men together. And I just want to say that, you know, it's, you don't like most of them a lot of the time, but I love this goddamn show. It's such, it's, it's, it's a great show full of terrible, like, characters, but good characters.

Like, it's a, like, Heroes abound. Everyone's like, oh, Breaking Bad is the ultimate anti-hero show. And I'm like, can I introduce you to the ensemble cast of Mad Men? Yeah, or just of like the 1960s. Like just remember that that existed. And I also were simultaneously watching Welcome to Dairy while watching Mad Men. And they're both very different shows, obviously, but set in a similar time period. So I was starting to get some of the wires crossed in my brain. And just want to throw it out there with Welcome to Derry for those that are watching it. I'm enjoying it. It is fun and silly. It is not well written necessarily. I am having a blast and it has good creeps in it. Yeah.

All right. And the guy that plays Mr. Hollerin that was also in Perry Mason is unbelievable. Okay. Because, you know, I got to look up his name. I'm on my own someone who was also in Perry Mason journey. I know, bro. And I, let me.

We talked about Perry Mason on here. We must have. Gideon and I had a big Perry Mason period. Like new Perry Mason, not old Perry Mason. Uh, yeah. And I'm talking about Chris Chalk,

the guy that played Paul. Chris Chalk. Great name. Bro, he is unbelievable. Oh, yeah, he is doing, he,

like, you watch Derry just for him. Yeah. And like, and they are, also like if you're if you're a kinger out there it's another one of those where they're bringing in the different storylines from different books and kind of bring us up together also like definitely they unlocked what we will 100% see for those of us that go to cons out there

we are going to be seeing periwinkle everywhere in the next year okay that that is I think that's a guarantee I think that we're going to be seeing a lot of them out there and I'm excited to see it I love seeing new things and then knowing that the con fits are going to be coming because of it. Yeah. Hell, yeah. Let's bust out all these fucking, like, harlequin, but like also like a genuine clown creature, you know, women. Maybe I'll, maybe I'll try Welcome to Dary. Although, you know, I still, I'm, yeah, I'm not, I have enjoyed some Stephen King in my life for sure.

but I, I, I, I'm not like an it head per se. Oh, no. Wait, have you ever, did you ever watch OG? Did you watch Tim Curry? I think I watched it like in high school, but I don't really have, it's one of those movies where I'm like, yeah, I've seen it, but it doesn't, it does, I, I, I don't, I couldn't reference the text very specifically, you know, and honestly reading Tim Curry's memoir, it did make me want to go on a Tim Curry journey of watching all of his,

work or oh my god i need to also say thank you to all the everyone out there that did the cry of legend of like jacky as a monster fucker i can't believe you haven't watched legend yet oh yeah it is on my list devil fucks yeah apparently all right and i you know i'm all aboard that express train and what are you looking at my brain wow what do you look at you stop no my brain Stop. My brain just stopped working. I looked at a picture of Jacob Allorty, and my head went, who's that? And then my head went, Jackie, that's Jacob Allorty. What is? And then I was like, we're in the middle of recording. You know, when you look at your brain from the outside? I think I just drifted outside of my body for a minute. Maybe it was because he's with Kenneth Paltrow. Are we talking about the actors on actors? Oh, my God. You know, so you were going down in actors on actors little worm time, right? I went in a little warm time. I went in a little worm time of actors on actors. I watched some Jacob Bellorty with Gwyneth. I watched some Sidney Sweeney with Ethan Hawke.

And most importantly, I watched David Cornswet with Jonathan Bailey. I also watched Ariana Grande and Adam Sandler. And that was not my favorite. But I did really like Jonathan Bailey and David Cornswet. Mostly I like all the comments. All the comments are just like pictures of... Yes! or gifts from the movie challengers.

Yeah, oh my God. Or heated rivalry. I mean, we're going to talk about this and then we're going to talk about heat a rival. We're going to talk about heated rivalry today. Okay, yes. You can't keep me in this mouth cage any longer. Yes, you have been watching heated rivalry and I am going to try to find a time that I have the privacy to watch heated rivalry. But yeah, I don't know.

The actors on actress thing, of course, it was, I, it's not usually. something I sit down and watch, but everybody was talking about how visibly upset Ethan Hawk looked while talking to Sidney and how she's all like, I, uh, I think that maybe I should have said something about the American Eagle Gene's ad thing, because it's like not going well now. But also she, yeah, she, you know, she, what was, it was she, she, it was like a, I should bring it up, but it's like a, such a mash, wishwash quote doesn't even mean anything, but basically she's just like, I thought, like, saying nothing would be the best and then it

wasn't the best. And it's like, oh, good job. Wow. Excellent. Well done. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for, for, oh, brave.

Honestly, wow. Hashtag brave. She's got, you know, she's got the lob. She's got the red dress, you know. Yeah, the blonde bob is ready to be brave. She does look like Megan Fox a little bit. Not Megan Fox, the other one, the bad one. The other one.

The Fox News host. Megan Kelly. Megan Kelly? Yes, Megan Kelly. Thank you. But, you know, I, yeah, Ethan Hawke's, I mean, they all know how to, I don't know, this type of thing is a great idea in one way. But then sometimes actors are just so insufferable and so far up their own asses that it's very alienating. I don't think that Ethan Hawk is that way.

I've always liked Ethan Hawk. And until watching these TikToks of him talking to Siddy Sweeney, I have forgotten that he stripped the nanny. and ended his relationship with Uma Thurman by stooping the nanny. I have memory hold it. They're all stooping the nannies. Why is that something that we hold against Ben Affleck so much? And yet I completely forgot to hold it against Ethan Hock. But the internet comments didn't, but I did.

I think, oh, yeah, that's the thing. Don't worry. You know, the internet is our elephant. They'll never forget. They'll let us know. They'll remind us of these things. Because we can't hold it all in our brain. Jay. Yeah, yeah. And also, Ben Affleck is like known for being Sadflex. So I feel like that goes

hand in hand with the lore of Ben Affleck. And Ethan Hawke doesn't really have that. Yeah, Ethan Hawk has just managed to like age gracefully in a way that I think has, and that he did marry the nanny that he stumped. I don't know if that makes it better or not. Does it make it better? Does that make it? It's like, I guess. Like, at least it was, does it matter if it's legitimate? Like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I think the answer is probably no, it does not make it better. Yeah, it's probably but I guess it depends on whatever you work on in therapy and you get to the place that, like, makes you feel better about it than you do your...

And when I say that he aged gracefully, I'm not even sure if that's true because he did do an interview in 2013 where he was like, it's fine that I cheated on Uma Thurman because we're not, humans aren't meant to be monogamous. So I think he might have just had like a 20 year period since I last thought about him, which is when I was in high school till now. I'm like, wow, Ethan Hawke, you're doing great. And I think I just didn't really follow what he's been up to. And now I'm just like, you're a handsome daddy who seems to like have his shit together. But I think it may have been a journey for him to get there.

But, you know, Jonathan Bailey and David, of course, would have a really fun, have a really fun little romp. I also feel like, have you ever gotten into it? And I'm, this is a big confession for me. And you know how much I love love. I never watched the before sunrise, the sunset, though. know, the trilogy. Yeah. I never watched it.

Is that where the horniness? Because I feel like I had it with great expectations. I was going to get where I wanted to fucking. For me, it was great expectations. We all were forced to watch great expectations. Adam, before Sunrise is the first one? Yes. And these are like the trilogy, we should watch all three of them?

I think so. And honestly, maybe this is an aging thing, but they get better and better. Maybe I'm just older and now I identify with the third one. The third one wrecks me. I think it's so good. They're all amazing. But like now the first one annoys the fuck out of me because they're so young. And you're like, oh, God, I can't.

But it's really well done in that sense. I mean, they are annoying. They should be annoying. They should be because they're young and in love, right? Because it's just one night, right? Yes. All three movies are just one, one evening. Or what, not, they're not all one evening, but they're like just a chunk of hours.

A chunk of time. Yeah, yeah. But he loves Linklater. I guess Linklater and Ethan Hawke, they just really, they just, they just get along. That's just it. There's no, like, anything else. It's just, they just like each other. I think they just have, they have, like, similar tastes.

I'm not insinuing they kiss. I was just, I was just wondering, like, if it was like a, oh, they created this company together or, like, they had, like, a. But since I was called on, I will say really quick, there's an interesting, there's an interesting clip on Howard Stern of Uma Thurma, umma, umma, and he's, like, kind of hammering. her of like you're not mad at him about like this cheating he's like she he's a great guy really it's very fun yeah they're wow they're kind of like going back and forth and howard stern is like really trying to be like why are you not more mad why are you not more angry with him and she's like he's a great guy oh that's so nice adam i'm so happy to hear that this year this one from this year is that from

i just saw that she was talking oh i don't know where it's from she was talking about she's only he has nice things to say about even off. Wow. That's lovely. The Howard Stern interview was not this year. She was just talking. That was in, I guess, 2006. Yeah, yeah. I mean, their relationship. It was like pretty fresh after it happened.

Wow. Yeah, 2006 for sure. I mean, I feel like their relationship and its existence has been churned up by the now famousness of Maya Hawk, who is, I was going to say, is a perfect combination of the two of them, but really is just a clode of her mom. Let's be honest. But, yeah, I mean, I think that, I think that maybe part of the. of it with Ethan Hawk is that he has made, maybe compared to Ben Affleck, he has made, like,

consistently very good movies, right? Yes. And apparently he's a, he's a good guy. I think reality bites was a big part of how people thirst for him. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I think that's probably where the thirsts. It's not just great expectations, fine. A dead poet society, which is, which is Sidney's favorite movie of his, by the way, which of course, of course. Oh, good for her. I guess, man, we've been slurping for Hawk since the beginning. a time. Long time. Yeah. I mean, yeah, Reality Bites is 94. Yeah, Gattaca was where he met Uma Thurman, which was 97. That's the other one. That's what it. It's Gattaca. I love Gattaca. Gattaca. Gattaca was huge for me. That is literally, that's, that's with, man, because you guys

both shove down your throats in school, right? I feel like we watch both those movies every other week. Never watched either of them at school. Really? Was that just my school? Like, specifically both by middle school and high school, we watch great expectations that Gattaca all the time. I like to think that great expectations watching at school was just the English teachers giving themselves a little break, you know? Well, that was, and then it was the science teachers giving themselves a break with Gattaca. I think that this is what it went.

And it was like, okay, this is like, it's kind of got science in it. I had an English teacher that made us watch, just we spent like a semester, just slowly working our way through all of the Matrix movies. and talking about all the Bible analogies. And I was like, this is a public school. I don't know why this is happening. Why? I don't know.

Yeah, my art teacher just had a VHS copy of Tremors 2 that we would watch. That we would watch at the end of the year. She's like, I don't, I didn't plan enough. I don't know. Wheel out the TV. Nobody even knows that Tremors 2 exists, but everybody in this class definitely does. That's how Adam became a film guy. Absolutely.

It wasn't tremors too? Honestly, I can't even remember her name. No, but you remember the tremors too. Yes. That's why you're a movie guy. Exactly. You know, who needs to remember the teacher's names? We got to think about the movies we were watching.

Yeah, I couldn't tell you anything about biology, but I do, I probably could quote portions of Gattaca. I can't believe I didn't bring it up before it was right. I can't believe I didn't say it the second Ethan Hawk's name was brought up. Yeah, I was waiting for you to bring up Gattaca. Thank you. Thank you, guys. Thank you for giving me the opportunity. But also, the actors on actors, I feel like you didn't get to.

I loved what you were talking about before we started recording about Ariana talking to Adam Sandler. She's just so, oh, like, I mean, this is another one of those things where it's like, it's like borderline. Is this fun or is this, are you a bitch? Like, I really enjoyed years ago now that first. round of wicked press to her when Ariana and Cynthia did the Vanity Fair lie detector test, I thought that Ariana was super funny. And like, I thought that her like extreme earnestness was something she was doing in a way that was like kind of self-aware. Like she was like, I don't even remember what it was. But, you know, it's the lie detector thing. It's always

kind of fun. And she was like, she's so earnest and wide-eyed and she always looks like scared and lost. But like, it was in a way that I was like, oh, this is kind of, this is a funny, this is like a fun persona. And then her interviewing Adam Sandler, it's like fucking inside the actor's studio sketch. Like she's just like, the water boy is, it's a devastating film. And there's a world in which you could say that and have it be like fun and funny. In this case, you're just like, what's happening here? Adam, am I right? Did you see it? Also, Adam Sandler looks like visibly hungover or something's going on with him. I can't tell what's going on. just come from playing basketball maybe he's always playing basketball with the basketball shorts maybe

I'm wrong he did he see his voice was kind of gravely and his eyes were all red I don't even know if he drinks I was just like what is happening here he's like this grizzled like half alive you know elder actor and Ariana just looks lost and scared and is but it apparently loves water boy which is that is a fun fact I will admit that that's it's cute that Ariana Grande loves water boy um but it's just you know, the, I don't know, the actor on actor thing. I feel like when it works, like with Jonathan Bailey and David Kornswet, it's just like really compelling and really fun. And then when it's, for example, Jacob Allorty and Gwyneth Paltrow, it's a little, just a little pretentious. A little stick up the assy.

It's a little stick up the assy. It is just, why did they pair Gwyneth Paltrow and Jacob Allorty? And I know that like, like, what is the rubric for putting people, like, is it because they both have movies out this, Adam? Yeah, I believe that's the thing. Is that what it is? And I believe they can decline because I don't know if you remember last year there was like a bunch, there was like a big hubbub about Sebastian Stan. Like no one doing an actor on actor with him because they didn't want to touch any of the Trump shit. I need Trump stuff.

Interesting. So they didn't want to get into anything. So you can't say no. So, you know. It's interesting because Ethan Hawk, you know. So what you're saying is, he could have said no. He could have said no. Oh, but Jonathan Bailey and David Corn Sweat obviously do want to kiss each other is what you're saying.

So you are telling you they definitely want to kiss each other. He says at one point, should we kiss? And then they stand up and hug. Do they float in this maze? Did they both float in his maze? Sorry. Maybe it's because I'm spewing with heat. rivalry. I am, I'm throbbing. I, I'm juiced. I'm all full up. Oh. Is David Cornswet? Do we know his, how he identifies is his

sexual orientation? Because everyone's accusing him. Hetero. Heterosexual. Well, I can't, I should, I can't say heterosexual. He's in a relationship with a woman right now. Okay. So he like, we know he likes girls. He likes women. Everyone was all had to be in their bonnet because he was in this conversation. He's talking with Jonathan Bailey about the scene in Wicked, which I haven't seen, but you've seen, because Alphaba is holding. Song is you're mine. You got to watch that, even just that song. Maybe I'm brainless.

Maybe I'm wise. And people are trying to say that Jonathan Bailey was doing a homophobia because he was like, you're so masculine or doing a misogyny, doing something bad. Because he's like, you're so, even though she's holding you. you're like, it's such a masculine and beautiful thing. And I think that's fine. I think that's fine that he said that. He was pointing out that typically we expect masculinity to be dominant.

And he is pointing out that the scene is vulnerable and that that's unexpected. That's all. With his character. And especially with it, like specifically with his character because, I mean, I'm not trying to like give away what happens in Wicked, but specifically in that song, it was. was something that was not expected and also in a way where she did hold the power in this song and in this instance. And he was a soldier and he was a captain. He was a commander. And he is going to her and giving himself to her.

Yeah. And David Cornswet's like, that's hot. That's, it is what it is the song. I love that song so much and they did such a great job in the movie with it and I am fine with David Gornswet saying that because it does make sense in like with his character. Yeah, yeah.

No, I think it was one of those things where I was like, if you really wanted to like dissect this and say that like David Cornset could have said this in a better way, like, okay, but it was really, I was like, the meaning behind what he's trying to say is so abundantly clear where he's just trying to say like, this is different than typical representations of masculinity. The way in which the Superman floating kiss is like they were,

they both had floating kisses in their movies this year. Which is a wonderful. And they were two very different moments. I'm glad that they discussed that. Yeah. No, that really, I feel like all the clips I watched at them talking is proof of concept for actor on actor because it's like, yeah, like this,

it, like, if you have two actors who have, who both have thoughts in their heads, then you can have a really great and interesting conversation about the craft. If you have one actor who's got thoughts in their head and one who doesn't, which I think is the situation with Ethan Hawk and Cindy Sweeney, then it's a little bit, and also, well, Jacob Allurdy and Gwyneth Paltrow are just a different story. Because, you know, she's just, she's just Gwyneth Paltrow. And we're going to see the ping pong movie at him. We're going to see it, right?

It's going to be good. Absolutely. I only hear good things about it. And he's been pinging, he's been ponging all over the place. So I guess we have to, I know, I, it's, I know it's going to be good. It's hard in my brain because Gwyneth Poutro's in it. And I, even though I do respect ping pong and respect the work that Timaday put into his ping pong. But I, in my brain, the bully that lives in my brain, wants to make fun of the fact that he brought the ping pong. table with him to like Dune.

Well, he's getting a little annoying. I mean, he's getting a little. And I, the Nard War interview, loved him, loved him, loved him, loved him. I do think that he seems like a fun dude. But he's even like, he's coming out and saying now where he's just like, I'm like the best I've ever been. Like, have you seen? I've been working for eight years.

And I'm on the top of my game right now. And I was like, okay. All right with the ping pong. Okay. Yeah. I am a little. I'm getting a little roly of the eye. I think it's just, I think it takes a really special type of, um, actor to become that level of

famous and also not to mention be dating a Kardashian, but to become that level of famous and not a gener, please, MJ, but to not just, thank you for your apology. I want everyone to hear the apology, but to not just completely lose touch with reality. We were talking about this before we started recording with Jacob Allerty, who said in his interview with Gwyneth, Gwyneth said, what's so interesting about being an artist is that you feel lucky enough to make a living at your art, your passion, but it can become work. And it already said, it does start to become a job. I used to be one of those people who thought the worst day on a movie set is still better than the best day in the real world, which also is that he then says, that's

bullshit, that's a fucking lie. But I also think it's kind of funny to be like, my, the worst day of my life is better than any of your days. Any of your days. So, Jeff. Yes, very funny. Sip on that will, yeah. But that he's like, that's bullshit, which is fine. Like, you know, it's fine to point out that these things are work and that even if it's meaningful work, it can still be work and it can still be unpleasant. But I think what's happening with Timothy is the thing that happens to, you know, what, 99% of celebrities where they just become, like they might have started off as kind of fun and relatable. And then the more out of touch they get and more into this like upper echelon, they get, they just get, they just get.

so far up their own asses, and it just is insufferable. But also, Timothy Hay started up his own ass. Like, if you're like, honestly, I was more surprised by, like, the Nardwar's and surprised by the, like, times that he was more relatable because he comes from such wealth and was given such opportunity and was, you know, so out the gate, which maybe this is just coming from a trash bitch from Queens, I look at that. I'm like, okay. Oh, wow.

It's like, oh, it must have been so difficult for you to, like, get out of the, like, the limelight shadow of how rich your parents were and the opportunities they could give you. But, you know, I can admit that. I feel that way, and that's okay to admit. But I do think it's kind of fun that, like, his character is going to appear on the Wheaties box. I think that's a fun, like, collab crossover. I'm enjoying that. I think that's a fun snack collab for a ping pongist.

That's fun. Yeah, yeah, that's, and, you know, maybe Gwyneth, I don't know, she's, she can act. She can act. You call them pongers? What do you call a ping pong player? Do you just call them ping pong players? I think you call them table tennis players. Oh, we don't, oh, am I offending?

I don't know. Do we all call them ping pong? Is ping pong, now I've said ping pong to a point that doesn't mean anything. I mean, I don't think it's, like, offensive, but I thought that, I don't know. We have to get Timothy on the phone. And I feel like he might have something. Oh, calling it ping pong. I don't think it's ping pong.

Yeah, I know it's a sport. I just like the people who play it in the parks in New York City, like the random parks in New York City that have the ping pong tables. Those people are the best. Yeah, and maybe I just feel this way about a ponger because I know I could never get in front of that pong. I'm not doing it. I think I've played ping pong times on one hand. Oh, yeah?

Because I immediately get so angry. Well, that's the problem. Because the ball just goes away and you got to go. And then I'm just going to get the ball. I was blessed enough to have a ping pong table in my basement when I was a kid. And yes, you're a secret pong. I was a secret ponger. And yes, I was scared of the basement.

But it's a great way to kill time, especially if you have a sibling to play with. And it's really, you know, sometimes when you're an adult, you just realize how many hours you must have put into something. Because whenever we go, if we go to like a vacation and there's a ping pong table and my kids try to play. and they just, they're not even close. Just not good at it. Similarly, like you, they give up in a fit of rage immediately. And I'm like, you guys have to put

so many hours into ping pong before the rewards come, you know? And I must have just been so bored and alone that I put in many hours. So bored. It's just so alone. And not even a reflection on my childhood. Like it's just, it was the 90s.

You know, I wasn't out of phone. And so I would just go down to the basement and learn how to, play ping pong and yeah I'm pretty good I can pong all right I won't come at you I mean I remember the one time we played pool together because again you know I'm not a game person right and we played pool and you were also much better at pool than I expected you to be yeah yeah every so often is it that Midwestern charm do you also bowl really well I I have pool and and bowling our time like I've some of the best moments of my life have been like I still remember like the best

weekend of bowling. The bowling alley would have like a unlimited bowling weekend once a year. And by the end of that weekend, I was bowling over 200. But only again, that was the best weekend of your life. You got to put hours in. And similarly, one time in college, I was trying to impress a boy. And I, we were playing pool. And I'm not that good at pool. But the fucking gods smiled on me that day. And I played the best pool game. I sharked him. It was the best pool game of my love. Like, sometimes, sometimes the fucking clouds part and God comes down and lets you have a really good pool game. Hell yeah, gives you that gift of pool. And it's also all about math.

That's what these really smart guys told me in a pool hall one time, how they tried to explain to me how it was all math. And I got kicked out of the pool hall because I said I was going to break the stick and shove it up his ass. But that's fine. I never had to go back to that pool hall ever again. I didn't want to go back to that pool hall ever again. You got to grow up in a small town. And I get that it's math, okay? I understand that it's math.

You got to grow up in a small town, all right? My town, and it's, you know, it was a small city, not a small town. But like, like, we were, we were bored teenagers. There was the pool hall. I guess maybe we had to be over 21 to go there because there was a lot of drinking at the pool hall. So maybe that was a bored young adult. But, you know, and then bowling. And we would just bowl.

And it cost, but it was the 90s. It cost like three bucks. Oh, my God. Oh, God. I'm not. I'm not going to start complaining about how expensive bowling is as someone that does not like to bowl. So anytime I'm forced to bowl and then I just complained about how expensive it is because I already didn't want to bowl in the first place. Yeah, no. I mean, I don't think my children will ever bowl. I can't spend $100 to just be frustrated. For them to fail? Yeah, just for them to be angry for two hours. Why would I do that? And you know I've complained on here before. They won't give you the goddamn bumpers if you're over the.

age of 12, and I think that's bullshit. Give me the bumpers. I'm paying for it. Give me the bumpers. Bring out the 16-year-old that will put the bumpers into the gutters. Yeah, that's, that's A-Jist. They should give you the bumpers. Thank you very much.

And I guess, speaking of Aegist, I think it's not Ageist at all. I want to talk about Haiti rivalry. I need to talk about the Hockey Fuck Show. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. It is based on books that I have not read, and I want to say a shout-out to book thief and chat who book thief did tell me to read these and I didn't read them. I chose to read a homoerotica novella about a dinosaur shifter trying to steal bones from a museum.

And I read that one instead and that was a lot of fun. It was called smash and grab. Me and Taylor Swift need the book to have like a like a manner in it and you need the book to have a monster in it. usually and that's it yeah with especially with my smut if i'm the one that's choosing the smut to read i love a monster and i you know i think i was scared of getting into the world of reading the sport smut because i thought that there was going to be more sport in it and i'm so excited because there isn't and that is you're not going to heated rivalry to what like i even read that I was like, I don't even know if I've seen them play hockey yet.

And they, you do, you see it in like random scenes. And I literally read that they were taught how to skate enough to get the scenes and how to hold the stick so that they didn't look like idiots. And that's about what they were taught in the world of hockey. That's very nice. I love that. But they're like, you can have this part. You do not have to play hockey.

It's okay. It's okay because, you know what you're going to be dealing with a lot of, other things and those other things are spice. Man, the look on my husband's face as he walked out, he had come downstairs, walked through the living room and it was mid because, man, there is, it is erotic. I want to say right now for anyone that's like, Jackie, you told me to watch this show and you're telling us to watch porn. You don't see any insertion.

All right. It's not, like, it's not hardcore. But I will say it is highly aggressively erotic in ways that I love. And there are only three episodes out right now. And so this is, I guess some people are upset that have read the books because they mix in the books in the series. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I guess that the heated rivalry is technically the second book in the series, but they also include some of this, the plot line from the first book as well. But only three episodes are out, so really we, I don't know, and I haven't read them, so I'm just reading the discourse online about it.

But fascinating. It is getting overwhelmingly positive reviews, and it is essentially, at least, you know, it is about hockey teams and secret love and about how they can't be openly gay oftentimes. And actually, I was reading about there's this Brock McGillis who played the Ontario Hockey League said, who was openly gay, described watching the show as triggering. in its realism during certain scenes. He recalled that a scene of sneaking a romantic partner into an apartment through a fire exit as being so accurate to his own lived experience

as a closeted hockey player that he almost turned it off. McGilless notes that the show is unlikely to change locker room culture and hockey, but that shows like this never hurt the cause of promoting greater inclusivity in sport. It is, I mean, the tension that is built.

And the butts, the hockey butts are so, so big. They're just so, they're just so, they're so full. They're so, and they just, they want to experience each other. And there they are. And then also then there's hockey. And then they're like in tuxedos because like they have to go to like hockey things where they're in tuxedos and they can barely wear the tuxedos because they got so many muscles. There's a very cute interview with Connor.

story who is one of the actor, one of the main actors in it. He's only 25 and he is like pretty I think like wet behind the ears West Texas native and he's the... Wait, West Texas? Yes, that's like he just loves

he's always loved, he says, I've always loved languages, I've always loved accents. I used to write monologues and I would put it into Google, translate and memorize it in a different language. He's from West Texas. But he's a big Ruski in the show. He was a He was a gymnast. He was a gymnast in West Texas, and I think it's fair to say that this is like his big break. And he looks really sweet. This quote, I feel really honored and blessed. We all know the internet can be really ruthless, especially Twitter. But for every negative comment, I feel like there's a billion good ones. So I feel like the pros far outweigh the cons. And it's just like a really sweet. He's just like, I loved learning a Russian accent. I loved learning about hockey. I love learning about hockey. I

I, like, he's just like, he's like, I didn't think I would get the job, but I'm just so grateful I did. It's like. Vigurusky, and big grusky wants to be in control. And they're both, like, the best of their teams, so they always are going ahead. So what essentially I was reading about in this article that was talking about how, like, it really also does a very good job of encapsulating, like, a portion of hockey culture and how it really, like, it will pit to people like in any.

PR move pits the two big stars against each other. But then that's what it is. They're the two big stars that everybody knows that they hate each other. But do they. It's also so beautiful. And I love love so much. Well, how about this, Jackie? Last night, I think. They, or sometime this week, this story just came out today that Conor Story and the other actor, Hudson Williams, crashed trivia night at the gay bar high tops in West Hollywood. So you could have gone in Challenger's yourself with them. I have to find them. Come hockey players, why can't I find you?

I'm just going out there. I'd be like fucking Cindy Ho-hoo, look it out for a man like I got a person. And like, I got a puck for you. I'm losing my, I was sitting there last night so upset that I have no one to talk to about this show. MJ, I need you. I will, I need you. And Adam, I'm not going to make you watch this show unless you really need it. I'll watch the pilot.

You know, I will always go that far. I know you'll watch the pilot. And it, it brings you right in. I will, I will try to watch it by next week. They don't not ease you into the erotic. Wait, you did watch the pilot? No. No, I will.

Oh, you will. Okay, okay. Okay. Adam and I will both try to watch the pilot by next week. Yes. Yeah. They're just so big. I'm glad that you're having a good time. I need a break from the immense seriousness of the beast in me, which I am continuing to enjoy.

But there's just a lot of like, the camera work is just like, Claire Daines is old. I saw your post about Claire Daines, the me, like it was like some, uh, some TikTok that was like Claire Dane's making a dentist appointment and just like, how sick should be making the dentist. And I think Claire Daines is one of the most beautiful people. And I think specifically because of her and Family Stone, I want to have, I want to have sex with her and Family Stone. I forgot that you said that yesterday would be recording Claire Dains and Family Stone.

And I was like, are we talking about the same movie? For some reason, Sarah Jessica Parker just saved over Claire Dames. For me, I forgot. I literally forgot she's in Family Stone. I was like, who is she in Family Stone? I know. I'm sorry. But, yes, she is, she is ephemeral and breathtaking.

She's always been, I loved her in my so-called life. I've loved her ever since. I fucking loved her in Romeo and Juliet. I just, I love her. I love Claire Names. And I really like The Beast in me. I'm enjoying it. But it is, you know, when it just reminds me of Elaine Hendricks and Dancing

with the Stars where they're like, if you win, you'll be the oldest person. to ever dance. Get out your walkers because you're going to need it to get this mirror ball. And meanwhile, Matthew Rees is also aging like a fine wine just like Claire Danes.

And he's also 51, but no one's talking about how old he is. But I feel like with Claire Danes it's just like, oh, how do you convey like the grief of her character? Just zoom in on her oldness.

Old face. Looking how she doesn't have the Botox. Yes, exactly. But she is a hell of an actress and she's beautiful. I'm not saying, guys, I'm not saying she looks old. I'm saying that the aesthetic of the show is... Oh, she got M-night Sharmel-on.

Yeah, she went to that island. Old! She looks fucking fantastic. She's only 46. Damn. She looks fucking great. She looks great. It just goes to show how used to seeing how plastic so many people's faces have gotten

that we're not used to seeing people's faces move. I think that's... Properly. I think that's really what it is. Which is why it's kind of like there's just this kind of... vague feeling of in the show where it's like look at how hashtag brave claire daines is for showing her face you know and i'm just like she's stunning stockdress who is beautiful and talented um but i i i like the show a lot claire daines is there matthews is there britney snow is there jonathan banks from

breaking bad is there everybody's there i really i um if you like a sad slow Oh, serious. Plotting. Well, you know, it depends on what you're looking for. You know, if you're looking for something sad but maybe is a little bit lighter, I went to go see rental family, and I really enjoyed it. The Brendan Fraser is a Brendan Fraser movie that I don't know if I had heard anything really about it. Then a friend of mine went to go see it.

It was like, it was really good. You should go see it. I love Brendan Fraser, so of course I want to check it out. Essentially, it's about he is an American actor that finds himself in Japan and he is very alone and he ends up falling ass over tea kettle into this job that does exist in Japan where you can like rent someone to help you with like like one of the people needed an American like they needed someone that was an American to show like. oh she has a father it was someone that did like the father had left and like I need to get her into school and I need help from like an American so he was rented to come in and help them so it's like it is very heartwarming it's very beautiful I cried a couple times Brendan Fraser is really good in it yeah and it's just a really nice movie okay that's I we're always happy to see

Brendan Fraser thriving. Me too. You know, exactly. And like, I've also been watching a lot of pluribus. So I feel like between getting plurbed and my madmen that like I needed just a little bit of like a, oh, it's rental family. Yeah. Yeah. I've been, everyone's talking about pluribus.

Y'all got to get plurbed. I got Apple TV again. I went back because I, everybody was plurbing at me so hard. that I was like, I got to get on it. And bro, it's good. Okay. It's very good. It's been skill again.

I'm sure it's good. Yeah, dude, make her a Breaking Bad. It is very, very good. It is, I didn't know anything about it going into it. And you know what? I'm not going to say anything about it. Okay. You should check it out if you have Apple TV.

All right. And it has created a lot of interesting, intense conversation. in my household. Oh, yeah? About what we would do in those situations, how we would react. What we,

and like, it's been a fun, not only a fun watch, but it's been a fun conversation show. Okay. All right. Okay. Well, that's,

I was, honestly, I was shocked that my husband agreed to watch the beast in me because usually I watch my like sad, slow dramas alone. And,

I think he just likes Matthew Reese as much as I do. So we are there, but so maybe we'll do pluribus afterwards. Get, Yeah, I don't think heeded rivalry wasn't from him, but that's like a, that's a parents alone time kind of show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I might, that might be one, that might be one I do on my own.

Did I yell, don't look at me when Jeff was walking through the living room while I was watching it? Yes. And you might scream that too at a partner while you're watching heat rivalry. Just know that you're not alone. Oh, well, you know, we have to figure. out how to fill the void in our lives left by dancing with the stars. And I think that we're doing an okay job. This is our first post-DWTS episode. And we're still- And do you feel empty? I felt empty last night because I felt like every Wednesday, I would always forget that we'd have to watch Dancing with the Stars. And then I'd forget and then I'd watch

with Stars. And last night, I was just like, what do I have to do? I feel like there's something I have to do. Yes. And then I was like, dancing with- No. And then I felt empty. I did feel empty. Yes, I always, I'm in night class on Wednesdays and it goes very late and I'm always half dead by the time it's over. But then I come back alive whilst watching Dancing with the Stars and now I'm just half dead forever. But, you know, that's all right. It's better than being full dead. It's true. It is better than being full dead. And think about that during your holiday season. And speaking of, I hope everybody is getting through their holidays just quite fine. And maybe you're doing it with a little bit of a smile and a wink. And I I hope that for you. But if not, you really should check out. Like Santa Claus? Doesn't he? Yeah.

He puts his nose on his finger on his nose and he winks. Whank? Yeah. And then he shoves Mrs. Claus off to the side and puts her on the side of the float to make sure nobody gets to celebrate her. And then that's what the wink is for. Be like,

and she doesn't matter. What have you been watching? Oh, what fun featuring Michelle Fiver. Oh, what fun. I have thought about being a parent and abandoning the family though a couple of times this week. Well, that I have a film for you.

I don't even have a family to leave and I'm still dreaming of it. Like that's when you know the holidays are really holidaying out there. But I hope that you guys are making it through with flying colors. And thank you so much for joining us on our

second helpings of page 7 this week. Let me know what you guys think about heated rivalry because I know you're watching it and how do you feel about it in conjunction with how you feel about with the books? Like, did you read the books?

Do you recommend that I go? I mean, I know books, I should read the books. And I'll get over there once I'm done sucking on a baselisk. He's a shifter, MJ. You're not just fucking a basilisk, all right? Like you're fucking the king of vasselisk, but technically he's a prince.

We're not going to talk about that right now. we're going to talk about my name being Jackie Zabrowski and you can follow me on Instagram at Jack That Worm and come hang out over on our Patreon. Patreon.com slash page 7 podcast. Oh, baby. We are in the beginning throes of season six in Buffy. Yeah, man. Buffy. Oh, my God. I don't even We've been buffed. We've been buffed. We got buffed. I'm obsessed with it and I think about it all time. Yeah, yeah. Now I really understand why Buffy is a way of life, not a show. Yes. Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm excited to do more of a holiday roundup with you, MJ, next week for our celebrities episode. And everybody, if you haven't checked it out, by the time this is out,

it'll already be over. But definitely check out the rerun. YouTube.com slash at Who's the B of the Holiday Pitchathon for hours of content. It's four hours of content. And if you miss that, there will be an audio version of it coming out in a couple of weeks. So don't worry about that. You will get it. Or at least the highlights, you know. Excellent. We take out the low lights.

Four hours. And by low lights, I mean all of the buzz balls that I brought because we're doing it later on today of this recording. And I'm thick with ball. And I know the holiday buzzball flavors are increasingly. Maple syrup. There is, I bought six of one that is just, it is Buddy the elf flavor. and it is maple syrup.

And everyone's upset with me that I got it. I also got the large peppermint bark buzzball. And I'm worried about that because I think it is just going to be like drinking peppermint. No, but I think it's going to be more like peppermint like rubbing up. Oh, like the peppermint schnapps. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's going to be more like a schnops.

And I think that's going to be difficult. It's just a headache and a ball. That's what I call a bus ball. And I'm excited. about it. Amazing. And thank you to all of you guys that email us, Pade 7 Podcast at gmail.com.

Your emails are hilarious and we love them. And thank you guys so much. And I think that's all for us, right, Jackie? That's all for us. Let's sing the song, MJ. Because the pot will be better a second time around. This show is made possible by listeners like you.

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