Page 7 - Second Helpings - Gucci, Gucci, Gucci, STARBUCKS

Episode Date: August 22, 2025

On this week's Second Helpings, MJ and Jackie are talkin' 'bout MJ's teaching past and the roasts dished out via children, Jackie and Geoff started "30 Rock" again 'cause she's only seen it once. Jackie reveals one of Henry and Ed's GOON follows, which is Salma Hayek who apparently looks better than she did when she was danccin' with the snek, Aubrey Plaza on Amy Poehler's podcast has MJ and Jackie reminiscin' about comedy in the late 2000's. Henry forced Jackie to watch the Amazon advertisement/ whitewashing NSA propaganda that is the new "War of the Worlds" remake. An advisor to Eric Adams makes what's possibly the saddest, and most sour cream and onion scented scandal to ever hit his campaign. Margaret Qualley is trying to get her mom (Andie McDowell) to date Bill Murray for some insane reason, and the "Christian Girl Autumn" girl from socials terrified everyone with a faux announcement. MJ gives a desperate cry for teacher fashion advice for back to school season, and Saudi comedy fest star Pete Davidson settled the record on who was carrying the weight when it came to his magnum dong rumors. Leonardo Dicaprio shocks no one as he says he's mentally 35, Jackie finished "The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo" to get ready for the Netflix series and MJ just finished "The Wife Between Us", and that wife ain't between them the way you'd be expectin'! Mario Batali sexually harassed Giada De Laurentiis in the goddamn forward to HER OWN BOOK, and even more on this Second Helpings!Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

You know it will. It always is. Although, I don't know. Amber really gave us quite the show this week on page seven. And I had a blast. I've been thinking about our conversation with Amber since we had it. And I'm like, it's so funny because Amber and I, I feel like it's not that we aren't allowed to work together. But we don't have any projects as the two of us.

But every time, like we did an Amber and Jackie live, I think at this point, like six months ago, remember when it was. It was like, oh, no, it was a brighter side love that I was filling in for Eddie. And afterwards, we had laughed so hard and we were such monsters together that I was like, this is why they don't let us be together. This is why it was like, we just encourage each other too much. Well, similarly, I feel like I've heard from some folks that Amber on page seven brings a bit of a kind of Holden-esque energy. And I think that that is said in the Complement. In parentheses, complimentary.

Complementary. Yes, in a complimentary way, but it is so fun because, just, man, I've known her for so long. We've worked together for so long, and she still can say things that I'm like, girl, you're crazy, and I fucking love the shit at you. And it's like, if you can make me say that, that's when it's like, well, yeah. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

Fuck, yeah. Because usually if I meet somebody crazier than me, I'm like, oh, oh, I got to see her are you? Yeah. Oh, no, but sometimes it's just the perfect crazy match. Yeah, man. And I just, oh, I'm just sending, I'm sending you love, Amber. I just needed to, you know, I just needed to give her some laurels when she's not

around. You know, isn't it wonderful to hear how people speak about you when you're not around? Well, maybe sometimes it's not wonderful. But maybe sometimes you learn something about yourself. I live in fear of that, actually. Pretty sure every decision I've made since I was about 11 years old has been based on a fear of what people will say when I'm not around. because they're all thinking about you.

But here you do you know they're not. It's main character energy. You're only thinking about yourself. Mostly nobody's thinking about you. And if they are oftentimes, remember, it's probably positive. This is what I love about New York City. I really do feel like New York City taught me to not care. Because at first, you're like, oh, everyone's going to.

It's like how everyone's afraid of teenagers are going to make fun of you on the subway. I mean, they will. They are going to. The thing about teenagers is that they don't care about you. They care about themselves. And I think that once you free yourself, teaching middle school really taught me that. Like, yeah, they would, did they make fun of me? Yes.

Do I still remember some of the sick burns they got on me? 100%. But also, what they really cared about was themselves. And oftentimes when they do make fun of you, they're very funny. And you just got a guy lady. Fat white lady. I got fat white lady. I don't know if it was from the same group of, but it was because I lived across the street from a high school.

So it was, that's on me. That's on me being hungover walking to work, you know? Don't move it across. Sorry to victim blame, but you can't live across from a high school. I mean, when in Brooklyn, it's like, you're going to so, you know, it's like when you can find an apartment and, you know, that mad dash of finding a New York apartment, which you can only do at the last minute. And you got to get in there. And it's like, you really can't think about something about, like, I didn't, I thought, honestly, that I was going to be more safe because I was close to a high school. I was like, oh, that's good.

You know, they're not going to hurt you. They're just going to emotionally hurry you. And I did cry silent tears as I would walk to work. Because I would walk a hungover and I would still be drunk. I'm like, I just can't. You're just being so loud. You can say fat white lady. If you could just whisper it out.

Fat white lady. That would be favorable. One of my favorite activities to do with my middle schoolers was a game called Rants where I just gave them. I told them they had to talk nonstop for like, I think it was two minutes. It's like holding talks for three minutes. 30 minutes of a miniature. And I would say, just pick something you're upset about and just rant.

And I just want you to just say everything on your mind and just practice and bring it the most energy you can. And it was great. It was always so funny. One kid did a rant about how he hated his peanut allergy. I still remember. He was just like, oh, you want to tell me how good your Reese's peanut butter cups are? I don't give a fun.

And then another kid did a rant about how he hated white people. And I was Miss Molly at the time. And he was like, you know where I hate white people? No offense, Miss Molly. They're all like this. Gucci, Gucci, Gucci Starbucks. And I was like, you know what? I got no notes.

I got no notes. I mean, I get it. I've watched Real Housewives of SLC. I mean, I mean, they're not wrong. Gucci, Gucci Starbucks. Or until you can afford the Gucci. That's you dreaming of Gucci in the future, you know? Yeah.

I mean, I was wearing, right, I was wearing. A little bit of an elephantini on the, of mine on the. I was not wearing Gucci, nor was I drink in Starbucks, but, you know, they were still right. Yeah, they certainly were. And you know what? I accept the rant. I honestly wish that we could all be given little platforms to rant on, honestly, the way that we have. Although, do you want a rant app?

You know, like, is that something that we need as a country? It's like, we're already, I guess that's what TikTok is. Yeah, I think it is. I think that is. But, you know, for me, it was Twitter. I used to go on and share, I had this moment today. I was like, I listened to the New York Times podcast, The Daily, and I got angry, which is like one of my favorite past times is one of my favorite ways to start the day. Good for you. I listened to the news and I'd become enraged. And I had a bunch of thoughts about what I had heard. And I was like, where do I put these thoughts? And in the past, I would have tweeted them and I would have gotten thoughtful responses from people. And I know I could still do that on Instagram. Everyone I hear from on Instagram is always lovely and wonderful. But I was like, do I like make an Instagram story? And then I was like, I guess this is what people do TikTok. But I now, despite continuing to have a public platform and do this show twice a week, I'm like, I actually don't think anyone needs to hear what I think about anything. I think that's my problem. I'm like, I think I just need to keep these angry thoughts in my head because does anyone want to hear me rant about the history of, you know, depriving public education of federal funding?

Like I don't think anyone cares. You can call me, MJ. Maybe that's what you use. You just start using me as your tweet and you can just give me a little bird call. Yeah. And I go, oh, little birdie's calling me. And then I'll just, I'll accept and validate your rant. And then you can go on your day to go be a parent.

Yeah, yeah. I just sometimes you need to do a rant. And yeah, if you have- Parents specifically, I feel like need the rant more. Yeah. Maybe you need like a specific parent rant. parent. You're welcome. I've just created it. And that is, I feel like many people have built whole, you know, whole social media careers on this. They just scream about their kids into the camera. And I, listen, a lot of those people have gotten me through some hard times. So I get it. But also I don't want to do that. You know, I don't want to do that. No. No. I just. No. I'm fact, actually, my brain just jumped five places because I have been like, I didn't get to see Jeff to like late last night. We just want to throw on something. just easy. And I was like, you know what? I feel like I've shit on, speaking of people that

scream about their children, I've been shitting on the Baldwin since, like, just for so long, then I forgot how much I love the character of Jack Donagie that I threw on 30 Rock last night. And we were watching specifically the episodes, because Jeff forgets, I've only seen 30 Rock once. That was like Jeff's comfort show. So he knows, he's always like, all right, yeah, I'll put on. And so you put on the Salma Hayek episodes, and it made me think, because it's like, of course, there are so many memes of like, you know, Salma Hayek's character in 30 Rock walked so that Hilaria could become her. That was the seed. The theory is that that was the seed of Alec Baldwin's desire. Yes.

Yes. And so she crafted a persona to go from Hillary Lynn Thomas into Hilaria, which is obviously, you know, I think that she pretends. to be Hispanic for many, many, or from Spain for many, many reasons. So I think it's not just trying to be Salma Hayek, but she would if she could. Because good Lord, you know, I was doing side stories with the boys yesterday. And randomly Rob just started playing the front, I mean, because we're talking about from dusk till dawn, the Salma Hayek with the snake. And it makes me always think of Holden. Because Holden always gooned to that. And then Eddie and Henry were like, Do you follow Salma Hayek on Instagram?

And I was like, no, I don't. And they were both like, you should. Oh, I love it when men reveal their goon follows. So that's fun. And so I started following it. I was like, oh, I know, here's the thing. Salma Hayek has always been one of the most beautiful people of all time. But good, good googly-moogli.

I just, I'm just gobsmacked, you know. So I know that that's not the standard that is like that for me is not even necessarily like what I need to find someone beautiful. But wow, when you're looking at a piece of art, you know, how do you not just bow down to it and go, how do you look better now than you did in the snake? Like with snake. Man, that's funny that you bring up 30 Rock because I was listening to Aubrey Plaza on Amy Poller's podcast, which we're going to talk about. But I was just, it was the most fun thing about it for me was they were talking about like Aubrey Plaza moving to New York as a young aspiring comedian. And she was like, I was, I moved to New York. I like wanted to go to NYU so that I could join the upright citizens brigade.

And which was in its heyday. This was like 2005, you know. And she lived in the East Village area where I spent a bunch of time. And I was like, oh my God, like this is so fun to hear them talk about like that time. Because I moved to New York in 2008. it was this amazing, amazing time for sketch comedy and improv comedy in the city. But it was like this total golden years. But then I was thinking about 30 Rock, Parks and Rec and Community.

And that, I mean, talk about a golden age where it was like, you know, community and then parks and rec and then 30 Rock were all on. It was still when TV was a thing, you know. And I remember watching them. This was when I lived in my little $400 hallway. And I would watch those three shows. And I was. My $400. dollar.

Oh, man. Sorry, G. Yeah. No, please continue. Well, no, I was just like, man, it was such a, it was,

uh, you know, such a beautiful time in comedy. Like, you were like seeing people who you knew where they had started. It was at the same places that you're going now. You look up to them so much. And then they're just making,

I mean, those three shows were so good. Like, I haven't rewatch 30 Rock since 2012. But anytime I see a 30 Rock clip, every so often, you know, there'll be a Twitter thing that's like,

post your favorite 30 Rock joke. And it's just like, God, they were good. God, it was such a good time for comedy. So good. You know, honestly, it was because I think of seeing the naked gun reboot and just remember, and I was like, what was the last show that you love that was just joke, joke, joke, and while, of course, there is a lot of plot and Dirty Rock, there's just so many jokes sewn into it. That is, it's to such a, it's a different level of comedy writing specifically, that

is just you don't always see it. Like, it's just so tight. There's certain texts that you just need to have live inside of you. I would say Arrested Development is there. Yes. Like, I want to, like, my goal in life is to be able to recall any Simpsons joke from, you know, seasons one through 10 at any time. And every arrested development reference. And I would like I feel like I want to get there with 30 Rock.

Like, I want to know all the 30 Rock jokes, all the 30 Rock references. And I would say that Parks and Rec and Community are nearly. up there, you know, too. I didn't, I feel like I didn't have quite the reverence for Parks and Rec that I had for 30 Rock. But listening to Aubrey Plaza and Amy Polar, I was just like, oh, I remember before Chris Pratt became evil. And when Aubrey Plaza was just this young, fantastic, like, shockingly funny comedian, you know, and just watching it and being like, God, this show is so good. What do you mean? Chris Pratt just quoted the Bible when being asked about his, you know, family relationship with RFK.

What do you mean? Yeah. How lovely to have... Andy Dwyer? That the least objectionable thing about Chris Pratt is his relationship with RFK and Arnold Arnold Schwarzenegger. Like, both of those quotes, I'm like, that's fine. It's really weird Christian stuff.

That's the problem. Honestly, I do. Yeah, I love him talking about Arnold Schwarzenegger being such a good gift giver. That brings me joy. That's fine. You're a human being. You like being son-in-law to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah.

Yes. And I have separately, like I love Andy Dwyer. Yes. Do we have to separate Andy Dwyer from... You got to separate it out. Yeah. I was always a Parks and Rec. I was a Parks and Rec over a 30 Rock.

That makes sense. Just honestly, because even back then, I was never that huge of an Alec Baldwin fan. So I never got that into it at the time. And there's almost as many little bit, like you could just as easily list 500 funny jokes from Parks and Rec. I mean, the bit where they're just trying to walk to the center. to the ice rink and there's only half of the length is the red carpet and then they run out of carpet and they have to walk on the ice. I'm just like, this is so, so good and so funny. There's a bit, I didn't actually get to this part of the podcast, but I saw people tweeting about

that there is a part of the- Aubrey Plaza that came out this week of Aubrey Plaza with Amy Poehler, where they're listing all of like the people from Parks and Rec and they just leave out Chris Pratt. Which is, you know, so again, I didn't listen to that part, but I saw people being like, well, that was a pointed elimination from them when discussing. But how sad would that be to be like, oh, we did this great show that we're all so proud of. And then one of us went on to be a total fucking anti-LGB freak, you know? I mean, I feel like, honestly, it's like anybody that has that in their family when you see

somebody go off the deep edge and you're like, man, remember when they used to not have those beliefs and now they're all weirded? I feel like, honestly, especially after the last 10 years, I think a lot of us have experienced things like that. It's true. Oh, wow, you're showing your true colors. You're long enough and people who you know from a long time ago will disappoint you. That's true.

Yeah. Yeah. Hell yeah. Speaking of disappointment, I know that we are going to get into the Aubrey Plaza, Amy Polar episode. And I know that it's very sad. But before we do that, I do need to. Speaking of parent, even though I'm not a parent, I did watch. Henry forced me to watch the first hour of War of the Worlds.

Now, MJ, I don't know if you are familiar with the new, well, is it new? A movie that was shot during COVID. It's called, it is a redoing of War of the Worlds. It is starring Ice Cube. The internet went crazy for it. It was released at like the end of last week. It is so bad. I'm seeing it one star.

It's so, so, so bad that I. actually only, I watched an hour of it and then I shut it off and I told Henry that I was like, I need to invite like my boys over to sit and just like smoke a bunch of fatties and we need to all watch this together because I was laughing so hard. It is all shot because again, done during quarantine, it's all shot from his desktop. So it is all, it is all him looking at the desktop the entire time and he's in the NSA. And Ice Cube gives the one of the worst performances, I got you!

I got you! I got you! And then he's at one point, he goes over to the door, because the whole time you're like, why doesn't it just leave? Why doesn't he just leave? And he goes over and he very like over dramatically tries a d-dun-dun-d-d-d-at the door. And it goes, do-dun-d-d-do-do. It's locked!

And I just laughed and laughed. And also, I mean, we really really, hit the nail on the head not to, you know, go into the side stories territory of us talking about summer horror movies. But Henry did hit the nail on the head when he's like, it actually is a horrifying movie because as an NSA agent, Ice Cube in it, tracks his daughter to such an extreme. Like he literally every second of every day, he has cameras all through her home. he then like hacks the droids through the city like all the city cams he hacks her phone so he reads all of her text messages he just though because that's him taking care of his kids and it is so scary rehabilitation of the NSA after the several image hits that it took in the 2010s oh yeah it's

really it's really looking good for the NSA oh man if it is do I feel safe. Oh baby, you just got to watch War of the World. And it is, I had no idea. I did at first because Jeff didn't, he's like, Jeff refused to even waste his time to watch the first hour with me. And he's like, let me know if it's bad enough that I should watch, like, to be fun. I will laugh. I will throw it out there. It is, if you have, like, you know, people over and you put it on the background, because honestly, you kind of zero back in and you're like that is that looks so bad. Like the aliens look so bad.

Everything looks so bad. And it's still war in the world. So it's like you know what it's about. Yeah. Yeah. And he's so bad in it. Great. It's actually, I don't know, again, I don't know if sitting and watching an hour and a half of it is what you should do.

But throw it on in the background. All right. I laughed a lot. I really had no idea that had happened and then I went into a hole of the casting. But it does appear to be a lot of heavy lifting by Ice Cube. Well, it's almost all Ice Cube. And then it's like a lot of evil angri. Like you can tell that they were never in one space ever.

It's all done on like an iPhone. It is all. They're NSA and they all have AirPods. I don't think the NSA would be using AirPods. They must have quite tight security around their blue. tooth protocol, you know. I would assume they have their own jurisdiction, you know. I don't know what happens in the NSA, and we're never going to know.

Although, if that was just a glimpse of what they're doing, I think that they could be spending their time doing other things. Okay. Well, before we get into more celebrity news, there's a story that I really want to talk about because it's about chips. And it's, it's, I'll keep it tight. All right. I'm going to like some cheese.

I'm going to eat some chis. I also did play the Jackie Snuckies theme song for my children, and they were enthralled. This is the greatest review of, I wish you had been able to record the heels of laughter. I wish I had recorded Freddy's reaction. Freddie was dying. I sing the normal. So I sing Jackie Snackies. What snacks we're going to eat today?

And Zelda just went, I hate it. Yeah. Good, good, good. I love this feedback. Yes. And I was like, okay, what about this? And then I play, I'm going to eat some chas. And they liked that.

But imagine that song playing as I talk about this story, which is that last night, breaking news in New York City, the current mayor, Eric Adams, he's been found to have done just so many crimes, many, many, many crimes involving taking money for favors. And so, and it's not stopping him. He is just a comically corrupt mayor. And so yesterday, one of his aides, like a campaign advisor, campaign confidant, did a thing where she saw a reporter at an event, texted the reporter, said, let's meet up, I need to talk to you. Reporter went to meet up with her. And the Eric Adams confidant gave the reporter a bag of chips. And the reporter thought, I'm going to eat some chips. I'm going to eat some chips.

And the reporting, this is a reporter named Katie Honan. for an outlet called The City. And I just need to read this paragraph. Greco and Honan. Greco is the person who gave the chips. Honon's the reporter. Greco and Honan walked to the Whole Foods next door. Well inside the store, Greco handed Honan an open bag of chips with the top crumpled clothes.

An open bag. I mean, out the gate. It's weird. Oh, oh, I don't even get a freshie. Oh, oh, you've already dipped. But this is my favorite line. Honan, thinking it was an offer of a light snack, told Greco that once more, she could not accept the chips.

but Greco insisted she kept them. So basically... She couldn't even accept the chips. Damn. She wasn't even accepting chips. I'm not going to take chips from you. She said, no, thank you. I don't want these chips.

And the aide is like, take the chips. And so then they part ways. And it's a bag of hers, by the way, which is a very brand of chips. You were eating on yesterday's show. I love her. And it wasn't the Cape Cod kind. It was a sour cream and onion. But so she gets to the subway, the reporter.

Which of all the chips. You know, I feel like that's such. You think you'd use a plain chip if you were going to be using it in this kind. To do crimes. Sour cream and onion. Then you know it's like, wow, you know something's going down. So she opens the, she gets to the subway, opens the bag. And inside there is an envelope stuffed with cash.

And it was just a bribe. It was just a bribe. I'm going to give you a reporter. I'm going to give you money. In an open bag of chips. Chipies, they can do so many. things. It's because of our snacking here. I think that we are influenced. I think we're chip fluencing everybody. I think it's like you can, you know, chips can do more. We should be relying on them more.

And then to the reporter texted, I can't take this. When can I give it back to you? And then at first, the campaign aide did not respond. And then after a while, she responded, I made a mistake. I'm so sorry. It's a culture thing. I don't know. I don't understand. I'm so sorry. I feel so bad right now. I'm so sorry. Please, please, please don't do nothing in the news about me. Can we forget this? I try to be a good person. I just wanted to be her friend.

I just wanted to have one good friend. It's nothing. I just wanted to have one good friend. I just wanted to have one good friend. I mean, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You never got a chip? Is this, is this what part of the problem is? Do you want the Cape Cod?

Because, like, I'll go get the fucking crab chip, and you want the fucking wrap, I should have gotten you the old Bayer's chips. I just wanted one good friends. Not with sour cream and onion. You don't put a bunch of money in there. And then, man, oh, yoy. And the money's going to taste like, oh, he's going to taste like it. Well, don't be sucking on the bill. I know. The money's going to smell like chips. But I, so everyone in New York City last night was just having a great time with this. I just need one good friend. And that's why I have been close $200 cash. It's also a very small bribe for like. A bunch of, wait a second, wait is like a $200. Oh, my bribe is a lot higher than that. And I am not even a reporter.

For positive political coverage, you know, like I'll give you $200 now. Go back to you. We start at 20K. Like, I feel like if you want me, like if you're going to be using me as your evil puppet, that fucking comes out a price. But then a writer named Jamal Bowie, who I love, tweeted out a picture of the It's crab chips. And he said, give me a bag of these and you don't even have to worry about the money.

This is what I'm trying. This is what I'm saying. I mean, not that hers. I'm sure they make a great sour cream and onion chip. I'm not saying. But I'm going to throw it out there. Usually sour cream and onion is not what I gravitate towards first. I mean, I love sour cream and onion chips.

But it's not what I'm using for my political bribes. I guess I guess if I'm going on yon, I think I need a, I think I'd rather a French onion dip with like my kettle chip. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, that's... Wow, I've never said that. It's really good to get off my chest. I don't know.

Like, I used to love sour cream and onion chips, but now sometimes I feel like the smell is just so overpowering that it makes me, like, scared of the chip. Yeah, I understand. Oh, is... Do you understand my fear? Are you there with me alongside my fear? I think your bigger fear is political bribery,

and your second biggest fear is chips that smell too much. I'm saying like political bribery when it's not at the right price. That's what I'm scared of. I'm scared of not being respected for my bribe skills, you know. No, you got to go bigger than 200 if you want an entire news outlet to start giving you favorable coverage. Pop it up. But I didn't mean to pivot away from Aubrey Plaza's grief earlier. Now, you did listen to the Aubrey Plaza, Amy Polar episode. I was watching a bunch of clips of it. And man, I just tell you, just even the big clips about her grief made me too sad to listen to it. And I could not make myself. Although I did love the clip of Amy Polar being like, and I mean, obviously, you did show up in. sunglasses and Aubrey Plaza is just sitting there like in her sunglasses and she did like a at the camera with her sunglasses on because I imagine man y'all I know that I've talked about this in the past but man the grief fluencing I will do someday when a widow grief fluencing that's a whole like extra level like then you get you bring in costumes then you bring like

that's a whole you have to dedicate your time then to widow grief fluency I think that's a whole separate section that, you know, I feel like I have to excite myself about. Yeah, you're going to, you're, you're, you're, you can spend your life with your living husband planning for how you will embrace your grief. At least the fits. Yeah. You know, like at least like start talking about the wigs, start talking about the hats. Yeah.

Start talking about like where that's going to go. How anxiety works. We live. Oh, is this, oh, is it a coping mechanism, MJ? I'm fine. Well, but how did you feel about her grief? brief analogy comparing it to the 25, 2025 horror film, The Gorge.

Have you seen the Gorge? You know, I haven't, but I have made so many jokes about the Gorge that I think it's very funny that she also made a joke about the Gorge because the Gorge has been advertised on everything on Apple TV

and they just, I believe that it was Apple T, or was it Prime. It was Apple TV. Okay, no, I just remember we kept seeing the trailer and I just kept going, oh, you mean this Gorge right here and I can't point out my pussy. So it was obviously, I called my pussy a gorge

every time that we've watched that trailer. And I, and Jeff's like, yep. And then there she go. Yeah. And I'm like, and then I'm going to put it in this gorge back. And then I pointed my ass all.

And, you know, it's, so I think it's funny that she liked it specifically to that. But because I more like it to like a, you know, an extra appendage that has grown that, you have to now, like, learn how to live life with this extra appendage. And, like, that's how I've been talking about my experience in therapy of, like, how do I utilize this extra appendage?

How do I add it into my walking pattern? How do I, you know, so, but I do think it is a funnier comparison. Yeah, yeah. It's, I mean, she's, I, it seems like, unless they, they come back to it later, it seems like they go through it pretty quickly at the top of the interview. Basically, Amy Poller's like, we all know. that, you know, you experience this horrible loss with your husband. You know, how are you? And Plaza's like, you know, I'm in the moment. I'm happy to be here with you. And yeah, she talks about, she's like,

this is a kind of silly comparison. But in the gorge, there's a cliff on one side and then there's a gorge in between and it's filled with these monster people that are trying to get them. And she talks about like that that's what grief is like. You can either, sometimes she wants to, you know, look at it and jump down into it and get lost. And sometimes she just knows it's there, but she's not looking at it. And yeah, I mean, I, God, I feel like grief is hard enough, right, to figure out how to live this way, live on earth this way with this new feeling, but then to also have to do it publicly. And especially at like the height of her career. I mean, she's had such, she's been in so, she's been working before this happened. She had been in so many projects and, you know,

was just such a, it's not like a rising star. She's been a risen star for quite some time. But I just imagine that being like, oh, good. Now I have, now everyone's like waiting for me to make my first public appearance, you know? Well, yeah. And it's got to be so hard because her movie is premiered. There's a, she's in a movie that premieres at the end this week. So I imagine this was probably a way for her to choose how to kick off this PR narrative that she chose to publicly speak about the death specifically on Amy Poller's show with Amy Polar that I imagine that was... A long time trusted friend. Yes, that was the way in which, because she knew that she was going to have to face it.

Yeah. And that must have been a way that like also, I know that it's like, oh, so good of Amy Poehler to do this to get the... And it's like, I don't... Honestly, everything that I've read about Amy Poeall, I feel like it's like this was way more like something for them that also was like, it showed such a beautiful. beautiful side of friendship. Oh, totally. Yeah, there's no part of me that thinks that Amy Poehler was like, oh, this is like a get for me or whatever.

No, no, because she doesn't fucking need it. No, I mean, no, I, I, I, talked about almost every episode. I feel like every episode has had, like, big viral moment. Right. Her show is doing great. Amy Poehler is doing great. But I, yeah, I adore her. I haven't been, I haven't listened to the show regularly, but all the clips I've seen are

great. But yeah, she just seems like just a very thoughtful and intelligent person. And the show with Aubrey Plaza is very fun to listen to, like I said, because they have like, they have this history together from not only from Parks and Rec, but also from Plaza being like, I wanted to get my start with UCB, you know. Right. Even though they, I don't think they interacted then because by that time, Amy Poehler was already famous. Right.

But, you know, the shared experience of being in that scene. And yeah, I mean, it's kind of a beautiful thing that she got to make this public, that she got to speak about this in public for the first time since, you know, for the first time with such an old and long-time trusted friend. Why are you making a big surprise face, Jackie? I'm sorry. I was just so like, I was like, the dead! Back from the dead! I was looking at the cast of Honey Don't,

and I just saw a small picture of like a different letter-grade Patrick Swayze. And I was like, what? Who is that? It was like, is that Patrick Swayze? And I clicked it, and it's Don Swayzee. Patrick Swayze's brother is in Honey Don't But he weirdly

If you look at a picture He looks just like him He looked I just was like How is Patrick Swayze I just sorry That's where my face Like it was all All of the thoughts were going through my face

You know Oh and that's why Margaret Quali was there On the podcast as well Margaret Quali was there on Amy Poller's podcast To be like I love Aubrey Plosses so much I love working with her and also Marga Quali's in the movie. But also, bro, I think they might kiss in it.

Margaret Quali in Aubrey Plaza? Really? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. I'm going to watch that movie.

Yeah, I'll be there sitting there with my binoculars, be like, just waiting for the movie. How old is Margaret Qualey? She's 30. Okay, great. I can thirst for her. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. And, you know, NEPs and married. Talented. All the things that, all the things you want to juice for. And, man, Aubrey Plaza's LaRue Plaza. And, you know, in the same story of talking about her grief, maybe you shouldn't talk about how much you want to watch her kiss Marguale. But, you know, I did.

Old crushes die hard. I have had a crush on Arbri Plaza since Parks and Rec. Since Parks and Rett. Like, it is just, and I honestly, Margaret Qualley is. such a dynamic performer. I know. She really is. And she I, I, it's, it's an Ethan Cohen movie and I can't wait to, I'm gonna go fucking see it, dude. That's gonna be good. I actually hadn't really read much about the movie, but that, that sounds great. How about this story that you sent about Margaret Quali saying that she tried to set up her mom, who by the way, if you didn't know, is Andy McDowell. Andy McDowell. With Bill Murray, who as Jackie pointed out, is a notoriously Awful man to be around.

Awful man. Awful man to be right. It's like, you hear it from like almost every person that even if he is like, even if he's giving a great performance, you'd be like, but he's so difficult. And she's trying to get her mother who has worked with Bill Murray in Groundhog Day, obviously on Groundhog Day. If it was going to happen, it might have happened by now, Margaret Quali. I think it might have happened by now, babe.

I think you might be barking up the wrong fucking tree, babe. Also, unfortunately, even though Andy, McDowell, God damn, stunna, still looks fucking like a stunna. And Bill Murray, you don't fucking deserve her. And also, I think, unfortunately, she's probably, what, 50 years old, too old for someone. For Bill Murray? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think he would probably rather go out with Margaret Quali.

Man, Andy McDowell does look. It's like she's gotten hotter with age. She has. She has gotten so much hotter with age. It's crazy. Dude. Yeah. And, man, I was thinking about this.

So we were just rewatching Lost Boys. And Lost Boys is one of my favorite movies of all time. It is a, I don't know if you're familiar with it, MJ. It's like quintessential vampire movie. Kiever Sutherland. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, you know. Gidea and I watched it this past Halloween.

Sexy 80s vampire boys. Yes. And Jamie Gertz, Mamma Mia. Yes, Corey Feldman is there. Corey Haim is there. Kiefer Sutherland is there. Yes. Oh, yeah, and the Frog brothers are there, and I, um...

Why did you... Oh, it's because of Diane Weist. It's because of Diane Weiss. I was like, why did I, Joe? Why did I start talking about this? Because she plays the mom in it, and I forget that, like, I just have loved Diane Weist for such, I mean, especially because, you know, bird cage and it just, Diane Weiss is such a...

Talk about another, like, wonderful character actress. And, man, she just, like, has been so quietly hot. for forever. Like just watching her in law sports, like I forget that she was just such a like, just like a hippie mom. And like she was really characterized as like a hippie mom for a long time.

And her in the movie, parenthood, I remember having a weird crush on her in that. And just seeing some of the, because I know, I think I've also been thinking about Diane Weiss because she's been looking great because they're shooting practical magic too.

And I've been seeing stills from practical magic too. How do you feel about a practical magic? I was just thinking I need to rewatch practical magic because I don't really remember it very well. I definitely, I dated somebody who in college whose mission was to watch every Sandra Bullock movie. For reasons I don't, I don't remember why. So I know I've seen it. But, you know, I hear a lot. I don't post pictures of my kids online except every so often I'll post like a picture of like the back of their heads if they're walking, if we're in a beautiful setting.

And a lot of people comment that my kids, the back of my kids' heads, finds them of practical magic because you got the red-haired sister and the brown-haired sister. Yes. Yes. Oh, my God. They're going to lose their mind for practical magic someday. Oh, my God, they're going to, they're going to flip out. Is it how? No, they can't watch it yet. No, no, not yet. PG-13. Not yet. Yeah, it's, that's, that's more of a, I think that's more of like a middle school vibe. But also, I mean, I watch a younger than middle school and I was fine. But I think, you know, I think children are different.

Children are... No, they watch Charlie Brown Christmas and are horrified by the way the children talk to each other and I love that for them. It is a beautiful world for them to live in but also, I mean, Dr. Kovach is evil.

Even though he is... Dr. Kovach is there? Bro, yes. Oh my God. Oh, bro, you got to rewatch practical. I do. Is it a Halloween movie? Is it going to be a Halloween season movie? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's definitely it's a fall. It's a fall. It's a fall. It's a fall. It's a fall girl summer. Caitlin Covington is that you? Oh, I'm sorry. It's definitely not Christian. I'm sorry.

MJ and I brought this up last year and all we can remember is we shit on Christian Girl Autumn, but then a bunch of people said, don't shit on Christian Girl Autumn, but we can't remember why. People said she's nice. Katelyn Covington is like the. That's, is that is that it? At this point, if you message me and say, this person's nice. All right. I'm, I'm, you know, I'm not,

I'm good. All right, you know. So we're not shitting on her and her vision for fall. She is like the, she's,

she has, she calls it Christian girl autumn, but she's just like a, she loves to take pictures in her big chunky turtleneck and her pumpkin spice latte and her big hat, you know,

and so, and we, I love those things. She's breaking, boundaries out there. Now she's like, it's this, like, we're in this like meta self-referential Christian girl Autumn situation where she put out like a sad apology video where she was like crying and said she wasn't going to do any Christian girl autumn content this fall.

And it was like a sad confessional. Yeah, do you leave your Bible's dusty? Is that like you like keep them away until Christian Girl Autumn resurfaces? Is it like a Mariah Carey where she's like kept in a coffin all? year? I think that the autumn is doing more heavy lifting than the Christian. I think she's just what it was. That's what it was last year, I think.

And people were like, she's just a Christian girl who loves autumn. It's not like a, I don't think she's trying to convert people. You know, I think she's just like, I'm a simple Christian gal. I love church and I love autumn. And that's fine. You know, you can have your religious beliefs. But anyway, she put this video out and it was like so, I saw it everywhere. It was like, Galen Covington's not doing any fall content.

And then it was just a bit that she just made another video and said, just kidding, fall is here. And everyone was like, ah! It's like, you know, fucking Lucille Bluth when Jean Parmesan appeared. Everyone was like, ah, she's back. I got on him. Matt Bernstein, who's always hilarious, tweeted out the screenshots of the apology video. And then her like, just kidding, it's fall is here. And he said, it's like watching Michelangelo paint the Sistine Chapel.

She just is, this is what she does. She just, this is so. So I guess good job, Kaylin Covington. Oh, yeah, just like that. Honestly, yeah. I've got tingles all over my body. Is this? Is this what artwork is?

Yeah, I think this is what artwork is now. She's got great hair. And honestly, the looks... She does have great hair. She got great hair. And the looks for fall, like, I get it. Like, being a hot girl... I mean, we talked about this last year.

Jackie and I can't do the big boots because our calves are too big. But then you can get some wide-caved boots. but then sometimes it's just like, I feel like they're not as cute. They're not, no, you look like you're going in a cranberry bog if you get the white. And then my thigh fat, not my thigh, my calf fat, squeenches on top of it. Like, it's like, I didn't even know they could be that fat. And I'm not saying if you have the wide boots, I'm not saying you look like you're in a cranberry bog. I'm saying, I'm afraid I will look like I'm in a cranberry bog.

And even I say, Remember that way? Is that the cranberry video? Remember when she made all those sounds? What are you talking about? The woman crushing cranberries. Adam remembers what I'm talking about. I'm looking it up.

Are you talking about the woman who fell and got hurt? Yes. No, don't bring that up. I hate that video. Yeah, I am bringing that up. Oh, I hate that video. I hate videos where people fall and get hurt. No, Jackie, no.

We're trying to be nice over here on page seven. We're not watching early YouTube videos of people falling and getting hurt. Oh, that's right. It was called grape lady. That's what it was. They were grapes. They weren't cranberries. They weren't cranberries.

And my apologies. Yeah. No, I'm just, I can't believe I knew what you were talking about from that noise. I love that you know what I was talking about. I love it. I'm watching her, MJ. I'm not making you want. There you go.

Do not. No. No. No. I hate mean, spirited YouTube videos. And you know what I love? Really beautiful, skinny

women and their skinny fall girl outfits and I look at them and I think, what a nice sweater. I'm skinny, look at how skinny she is. Oh my God. What would Goop look like in that fucking turtleneck? Oh my God. And you know what? Again, I have net, if ever I say

something bad about how I'm afraid how like I'm afraid I'll look in these boots, I'm never talking about you, the listener. I'm always talking about myself. I've tried so so often to look like hot girl fall and I never could do it. I couldn't hack it. It's just not for me. It's for me to look at and admire you. So if you are hot girl autumn, I applaud you. Your season is almost here. No, but you could have, and Caitlin Covington is here for you. Do athleisure bro fall? Yeah. Athleteer Bro fall. Yeah. Athleteer

Brovall. Atleisure bro fall. It's going to be an Athleisure Bro year, except I still need to figure out my professional clothes, you know, because I'm going to be interning. You're going to be big time now. Yeah, you got to go get, oh my God, what do you have to get a blazer? I got a blazer. Do you get a blazer? I can't be, this is a thing. I am either wearing basketball shorts or a three-piece suit and nothing in

between. Nothing in between. That's the biggest problem. So I need to figure out what do I wear to a school to look like a professional school counselor that your kid can talk with and you trust them. But I'm not, I can't wear a three-piece suit too dandy. No. And I can't wear my muscle t's too casual. No. So, sound off.

I guess let us know. What do you wear in between? What's something that a person, I mean, is it just like a button down in pants? Like, is it like, do you wear like short sleeve button downs and like nice fitted pants? Like, is that not, is that too casual? Honestly, hot girl fall is pretty well now. Hot Girl Fall is perfect for this because all those beautiful sweaters, I'm sure you can wear those to work. For sure, but are you, I don't know, like MJ, I don't know if you live chunky sweater life, but is that something you want to start enveloping?

No, I can't. I don't know what I'm afraid of, but I know I'm afraid of it. I don't know what I'm afraid of it. But I know I'm afraid of it. That is the two of us to a tea. Yeah, that's just every day. I don't know what it is. I don't know why, but I am scared and I am anxious. And I'm a little nauseous, but no matter what, I am feeling all of those things.

Yeah. But, man, Pete Davidson was feeling a lot of things when he was going through his relationship with Ariana Grande. And now the soon-to-be father is talking about it. And I am including the soon-to-be father in almost everything. because it is, you know what? Good for him. Seems like he's happy. Yeah.

And it seems like he's excited about it and go for him. Yeah, good for them. I hope they have a good experience. But also, he was talking specifically about the whole thing when he was dating Ariana Grande. I'm sorry, engaged to Ariana Grosy, right? I don't remember. I don't remember. They did get engaged.

Yes, you're right. It was only lasted a few months, but they did get engaged. They did get engaged. And so she, I didn't even realize, I didn't put two and two together. that all the, I mean, I guess we talked about as it was going on, but I feel like we'd had a lot less feelings about Ariana Grande back then. For sure. Because this was back in 2018. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, seven years ago. It was a different. It was a different, man. That was a different time. Yes. And also a different, and like, I feel like a lot less,

although not less media trained, just because of experience, but she at the time was really pushing. And I, I guess I didn't realize it was all coming from her. I guess I thought it more coming from him. The whole big dick energy thing. And that was for her to push to make more PR about them. And it made apparently Pete Davidson very uncomfortable. All of it made him very uncomfortable. He didn't like it. He talked about this in the breakfast club. He said he was embarrassed and hurt by it. He said no one talked about any work I was doing. They were just like, oh, that's the fuck stick. And it hurts so much. I think after a year or two, everyone saw how sad I was about it and embarrassed. I was never on Instagram flexing that

lifestyle at all. I was very embarrassed by it. No one was outrightly mean by any means. But yeah, he said, you know, everybody, why is everybody focusing on this part of me? And this is the quote that I think is really interesting. He said, I don't want to victimize myself in any way because I'm cool. But the sexualization of me, that if I was a girl, there would be a march for it. Seriously, you're just talking about my dick all day. And, you know, it's perhaps you could have some critiques with rolling it out that way but it was an interesting I thought that like the fact that he was like she was talking about this I didn't like it it wasn't me and then everybody he was a you know a relatively new star at the time and now this is

all anyone's talking about is his dick and I was like yeah that is quite a fair thing to be like why is this like just a fun thing for everybody to talk about my dick without my consent without me participating without me putting this out there at all. And I think it's a totally fair point. And I think that it's actually good and fine for men to point out when there's double standards like this about sexualization and be like, I actually like feel like I need to be respected and included in how people talk about my body slash don't talk about my body, you know? Right. But even it's interesting because I feel like simultaneously because of everything that has happened in the last seven years. Like 2018 feels like it was just yesterday, but also does

feel like a million years from where we are right now. Totally. The culture stuff feels so different, but in my mind, I'm like, that was yesterday. But yes, it was a very different cultural moment. And yeah, I mean, also, I guarantee you there are people listening right now that are like, oh, Jackie and MJ, listen to yourself, you guys sexualize men all the time. And it's, I mean, we sexualize, we talk about celebrities, all generations. I mean, it's, we talk about who we thirst for and who we want to slab on. And it's true. And we just, we just, we talk about. We, we talk about. try to, you know, do it without being extremely creepy. But yeah, you're right. Like, it is a... I'm also not, like, hunting them down. I'm not sending them letters. I'm not writing comments.

I'm not, like, going about it. Literally, I watch a trailer and I think about, you know, Aubrey Plaza and Margaret Cualey kissing, and it brings me a joy, you know? No, totally. But this is, I mean, this is something that I have thought about, too. Like, it is a difficult line to walk to be like, we're a pop culture podcast. Part of what's fun about pop culture is talking about who you have a crush on and it's the whole tiger beat you know who did what posters did you put up it's like i feel like that's kind of the we try to capture a kind of like sleep over let's talk about our crushes vibe here and i have i really did take a minute to think about what pete was saying because i think it is true that in the last decade or so there is you know there's been a

general rise of being more thoughtful about how we talk about people groups of people and also people people's sexuality, people's gender, and people's bodies. And there is a consensus now that we should try not to comment on people's bodies, which I think is obviously the right consensus. And, but also it's still totally normal with pop culture to be like, that guy's abs, that guy's whatever, that city sweeties boobs, blah, blah, blah. So it's like, yeah, it's tough, you know, it's like, I feel like if on page seven we suddenly were like, well, we're never going to talk about anyone being sexy again, that would feel kind of jarring, right? And on the other hand, I, I do think that it's a fine point for Pete Davidson to make about like this actually just felt

gross and non-consensual for me and not fair to my work. Also specifically, it was just talking about how big his dick is. And I imagine that like even just that looks like even when like, you know, like a Marco quality opera plaza, while we're talking about wanting to watch them kiss, we're also discussing how talented they are. Right. And how it's everything about them and what they've brought to like their roles and things like that, and that is part of our sexualization of them.

And I'm not just like, tits big. Although, I mean, to be fair, when I'm watching the trailer, when I'm stoned at the movie theater, I am. But, yeah. That's when I'm alone, you know. And it's also a different time from 2015 when Betty White met David Boreannis. Right. And literally the first thing she said to him was, holy shit, I want to fuck you.

I want to fuck you. Yeah. That story does go with this. David Boreannis, who by the way is Angel and Buffy. And also, I did not, I was today years old when I realized that Angel from Buffy was on Bones for a million years. A million years. Oh, yeah. Bones and suits are in the category of shows where I've heard of you. But I haven't, I'm not going to, I mean, I've seen episodes of both.

But I was like, oh, David Boreannis, Bones, bones. Bones. Yeah. But yes, she said, I want to fuck you. I want to fuck you. I want to fuck you. He thought it was funny and, you know, it is funny and it's not appropriate. And I think that we contain multitudes.

And it's, I'm glad that he thought it was funny. But obviously, if an old man said that to a young woman, you would be like, inappropriate. It's appropriate. And so I think it is fine. You know, this is the, it's fine to point out gender double standards. And this is also, it's reminding me, Jason Isaac's had a weird, had a quote that he kind of biffed it where he was talking about this with White Lotus. He was like, why is everyone talking about my dick? But if everybody talked about, you know, female actresses, vaginas,

that wouldn't be appropriate, which is a fine point to make. But I feel like he did it in a way that everyone was like, you could have said that better. Yeah. But yeah. Bones. You ever seen bones? Bones. You know what? I haven't. But I believe that it was a big show for my parents. So maybe the, you know, the suits and bones comparison maybe will upset. I don't know. I think that I mean, when a show is on for that long, they're doing something right? How did you feel about seeing Daddy Angel, like older Angel? He looks good. I mean, he does look good. And now it does make me think, like, do I'm going to watch Bones? Man, I totally called out Henry on Side Stories History because we were watching Buffy, right?

Over on the Patreon, go hang out with us. We are in interesting territory over on Buffy. And I called Henry after we watched the last couple of episodes. And I was like, sad. because of like the stuff going on in Buffy. And I told Henry about it. And Henry literally was just like, it's fake. What are you upset about? What are you sad about?

It's like, it's a show. Do you realize the characters in the show are different and that they're fake? And you're just sad about fake things? And I was like, not the response I wanted. And here's a thing. Why do you turn to your older brother to be, you know, it's like, oh, because we just went through an experience together.

oh, maybe this is something. And he was like, you're sad about a TV show. Shrew slash Jackie. Art is not real and you don't have to have emotions about it because it's thick. It was just the most big brother response

I have ever received, like in a long time that I was like, if Natalie came to you upset about something, he's like, oh no, of course, yeah. I was like, you, so why do you say that to me? He's like, you need to get stronger. Well, don't worry. I think everyone who's ever seen season five of Buffy knows exactly what you're going through because it's sad.

Yeah. And it's really fucking good, y'all. It's really good and it's really sad. And I get it. We get it. Now, Gideon wants us to watch Angel. He says there's lawyers there. Oh, there's, he said, are you going to watch Angels?

That's why we have to watch. I mean, we got to get through Buffy because I think, unfortunately, and fortunately, I think we're going to have to start watching True Blood. at some point. Oh, God. I mean, it's like, now that we've, you know, I've been reading the books and everyone's like, you've got to at least watch the first season. But a Scars Guard is there, isn't he? It's an Alexander's.

And I, that's all I know, though, because I know that the show is different than the books. So I haven't looked too far into the show world. But everybody that listens along with Sookie looking at you, Jackie's Book Club, Jackie's Book Club, shout out. I love our Mondays, and we've just been really obsessing over the books, and I guess we've got to watch the fucking show. Interesting. All right.

Are you sad about it? Are you sad about having more vampires in life? I have accepted that somehow a subdivision of page 7 is vampire. And I don't know how that happened. I know the answer is Twilight. And here we are. And I will say, it's not going to stop. And it's only going to become more vampirically oppressive.

Yeah, I'm fine with that. I am threatening you with vampire content. And I'm glad that you're scour of me. You wait, I saw doing all of page sevens, but with Vandibalditin. That's fine. I'll do anything where a Scarsguard is there. Okay, this is great. I'm really glad.

Except for Stellan Scarsguard. Whoa. No, that's fine. I'm wrong. I'll do it for him too. I'll do it for him too. I'll do it for any Scarsguard. Although, who knows, with that many Scars Guard, there's got to be a bad one in the bunch, right?

There's a whole, Jackie, I sent this to you in your grief. I have to resend it to you. The people who do TikToks, who do vocal warm-ups about Nepo families, they're very funny. And they did a whole one about the Scars Guard family and they go through all the children. And it's very, I might have the first part memorized. Stellen Scarsgaard, Big Daddy Scarsgarde, made a lot of movies and had a lot of Scarscarscars, big tall, six feet tall. And then I don't remember what else. But they go through everyone.

And there's one who's a doctor. And then there's one who's in casting. Oh. And the rest are in acting, I think. Wow. You can find out all about all the Scars guards through this TikTok couple who do these Nepo baby vocal warmups. Wow. Oh, I.

I now am remembering. I now am remembering. They've done them for the Kennedys, the Kardashians. The Scarsguards one is the best, though. I got to get into it because we got to learn. I want to find out more about that Dr. Scars God. I'm like, come over here. You can wake on this body.

But I guess you don't want to be working on the body of Leonardo DiCaprio, who says he's emotionally 35. Guys, he's not old. He's emotionally 35. and it's completely fine for him to continue banging 23-year-olds because he's emotionally 35. Okay, his current girlfriend is 27, Jackie. Oh, whoa. Okay.

He broke the curse. Get her a cane. He broke the curse. She's 27. And yes, he did say that I, he turned 50 last year, and he said I turned emotionally 35. And here's the thing. We all know what it's like to not want to be.

be old. But if you're a man who's famous for being an old man who only fucks younger women, this you can't say. If I'm talking to a friend who is who is partnered with an age appropriate person and they're like, you know, mentally I feel like I'm still 25. Emotionally I feel like I'm still 20. I'd be like, sure. Yeah. That's totally fine. But if that friend was you know, fucking an 18 year old, they'd be like emotionally I'm 25. And I'd be like no. It shows. Yeah. I noticed. Yeah, no, you got it. You got it.

Especially men, I just feel like the double standard for is whatever men who are famous and hot complain about aging, I'm like, no one, Hollywood doesn't hate you when you age. No. You're fine. Hollywood hates women who age. Yes. Women can't get roles when they age. Gwyneth Peltro said she did goop because once she was getting older, she just couldn't get parts or whatever, which is, I think it's, you know, not true. but you can it is harder to get young hot woman parts the minute you're you know 26 or whatever

but for men you're fine you are fine oh yeah yeah and you're just getting hotter you're getting hotter you're getting hotter you're getting hotter and you're getting cat not only are you getting hotter because i think older women let's see annie mcdell older women also getting hotter but for us yeah but older men are cast as if they're getting hotter and older women are cast as if they are already dead and so i think that's the, so I just have so little patience, if you're a normal man in normal life and you are sad that you're getting old, that makes total sense. Nobody, everyone's sad that they're getting old. But I just feel like Leonardo DiCaprio, if anything, you're emotionally 13 because that's how old you were when you got famous. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that you might just not have grown past that.

And I think you've gotten, and now you've just been so saturated with wealth for so long that you just look like a bloated fuck. And, uh, I know, you're doing so much cocaine. I know. And you were doing, and you like used to do good for the environment. Now you don't even fucking do that anymore with God damn PJs. And it's just like, all right. Do something.

Do something besides just bangyngs, all right? Yeah, just be a fine 50 year old. Yes. You know, it's fine. It's fine. It's good. It's, it's, it's, you know, you're vintage. You're only getting better.

We're only getting fucking better. In fact, I did learn that from finishing. the seven husbands of Evelyn Hugo, which I did finish this book last night. And I cried and cried and cried and cried and cried. And I listened to so many hours of it yesterday because I was just trying to finish it out because I'm moving onwards and upwards to other books. And it is, this is the book that I was reading that they're turning into, Netflix is turning into a show by the same people that did Little Fires Everywhere. Oh, good. Fine. I like that book. Yes. I didn't watch the show. Did I watch the show? Maybe I did.

It's a great book. I'm seven husbands of Evelyn Hugo. I thought was going to be like more of a popcorn. Speaking of, it is about aging in Hollywood. And so that's why I brought it up and that's why I'm thinking about it. And it is such a great story that is not just a summer. I mean, it is because it is, man, an easy swallow. It's very good.

Love that. And very well written. Love that. And just check it out. But I know that you also just finished life. The wife between us. I started a paper book that, because I was like, I need to model reading in front of my children. Oh, I love this.

And so I started a book that I would read for fun around my children when they are playing independently. And when I'm not doing chores, I will read the book. And it took me an embarrassingly long time to finish. It's okay. There's no pressure. It's not a book report. Yes. And, yes, Zalda, when she was learning to read, saw it on the counter.

that the wife between us, the wife between us. And I know I talked about this on the show, but I just always have to say, the wife between us. And I did finish it. Thank you very much. And man, the wife was between them, but it was not in the way you expect. How? How was she like the meat on a sandwich? I need to read the back of the book because I had never read the back of the book in the whatever year it took me to finish this book. And then Hannah read it when we were on vacation. And I was like, that's what the back of the book says. When you read this book, you will make many assumptions. You will assume you are reading. about a jealous ex-wife.

You will assume she is obsessed with her replacement, a beautiful younger woman who's about to marry the man they both love. You will assume you know the anatomy of this tangled love of trial. Assume nothing. Oh, whoa. Very intense. That is the type of schlock I love to read. But I found my paper copy of seven husbands of Evelyn Hugo,

which I got probably at least a year ago, if not more, and I've been meaning to read. but now that I finished, the wife between us, I will start seven husbands of Evelyn Hugo. So if anybody wants to have a little, you know, fiction read with us. I am going to read also the Thursday Murder Club. We heard from a bunch of people who said that it's one. I think there's a series of books and that they're wonderful. So we're going to try to read that before the series, the Netflix series comes out.

But I am going to try to bang out Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo because I did start it a long time ago and I loved as far as I got. So I'm going to revisit it. It's beautiful. Yeah. It is, but it's beautiful. And it's also, I just feel I have so many emotions about it. And I do want to talk about it. And I want to talk about the character of Evelyn Hugo.

She's kind of a Marilyn Monroe-esque. Yes, if Marilyn Monroe went on to have, if she had lived to have like the career that, you know, that could have been expected of her. Yeah. And it is the telling of a fictional. old classic Hollywood starlet, but she is telling her life to a biographer. So it is looking back. Yes, a journalist. That's right.

Yes, looking. So it is looking through her life. Yeah, that's a fun page seven read because even though it's fiction, it feels very page 70. Yeah. It's because it's almost written like in the interstitials, like they're like celebrity gossip, like clips and things like, you know, of like what was said about her throughout the years and stuff like that. is, it's just a really good read. And I can't wait to watch it on the screen.

That sounds great. I'm excited that we have a couple of fun, a couple of fun, like, book-turned show things coming up. But speaking of books, how about the fact that Jada de Laurentis got sexually harassed by Mario Battali in the foreword to her own book? In her own book.

We've been thinking about Mario Battali because he comes up a lot in the Gwyneth biography, you know, famed sexual harasser who fell from grace during the Me Too movement when a bunch of people came forward and accused him of sexual harassment and worse. And Giata de Laurentia said she asked him to write the forward to her book because, you know, Italian food. And in the forward to the book, he could not even get through it without commenting on her boobs. I just imagine him trying to write. He'd be like, oh my God. And not only that, but crediting her success to her boobs, that's right.

It wasn't just like she makes great food and she's got big boobs. It was like, she's only famous because of her big boobs. And she was like, she said she read it and just burst into tears. It was like, what the fuck? And it is now that we know that Batali, it was just a serial harasser. You're like, oh, it makes sense that you couldn't even write a single paragraph about Gianna de Laurentis without sexually harassing her. Yep. In her book.

Own book. And man, thanks Mario Battali. Everything we hear about you, oh, wow. It just, you just get better and better, huh? Yeah, yeah, bad, yeah, he had a real, it started for him in 2017, which was when the Weinstein story broke. And, you know, there was the kind of people, you know, it's really interesting to think back on that. Also, I was thinking about this because of the Gwyneth book, which also talks about the New York Times reporting in October of 2017 that busted open Harvey, all the Harvey Weinstein stuff, which then. led to the Me Too stuff.

And, you know, I don't know if people remember that. Talk about it feels like it was yesterday and it feels like it was a million years ago. I know. Famous person after famous person after famous person. And now it has just been shortened to like, I feel like we're in this terrible time now where people are like, oh, because of like Me Too and wokeness.

And it's like Me Too was a response, was like a social movement in response to this massive crisis of normalized sexual harassment and assault. in the workplace. And then a bunch of people, like the dam broke. And wokeness was a response to like smartphones making police violence visible to people in a way that it hadn't been visible to before. Like that's what we're talking about social movements. And then now it just gets short-handed to like, well, nobody can have a thought, nobody can have a feeling or a thought anymore because of woke and me too. And it's like, no, no, no, guys, what happened was

Mario Battelli was a very successful, entrenched, successful, famous chef who had spent decades harassing and assaulting people. Yeah, decades of it. And like with, like, and everybody knew too. Like it was just like, oh, that's just what he does. And it was, he was one of those. And this is one of the most interesting things to me about the Gwyneth book was the open secret part because it's like, well, Gwyneth knew because he had harassed Gwenneth at the beginning of her career. And then she, you know, would continue to work with Miramax and whatever and was still a favorite of his. And then when the New York Times reporting came out in 2017, she spoke.

But I feel like that was what was so valuable about the social movement was like, yeah, of course she, you sometimes you know and you can't do anything because the person is your boss or the person has more power over you. And it's an open secret, but nobody does anything. And that's part of the problem. And that's why it was so meaningful that this happened in 2017. And that's why, you know, eight years later, you still get stories of people being like, oh yeah, Mario Battali, he sexually harassed me in the forward of my book. And you're like, oh, yeah, that makes sense because, you know, this is what he did. And then, and then it wasn't called out. Like, it wasn't called out back then either. Right. Right. You know, now that kind of thing

would make a bunch of headlines. Right. Right. Right. Like, I imagine, especially if I were Giata De Lauriantas, I would definitely have whistleblown that to turn that so that everybody knew what it happened if that had happened nowadays, you know? It's just different now. And, yeah, I mean, I got sexually harassed at the workplace in the aughts. And I was like, well, surely no one can do anything about this. And I just didn't do anything. And it's the type of thing now that if I said it, you know, to a microphone, people would

be like, oh, you can't, boo, you can't do that. Yeah. People can't do that. And it's just like, well, they did it. They did it all the time. Yeah, they did it all the time. They did it all the time. Oh, my gosh.

You know, guys, it's just. like no time has passed and yet all the time has passed and yet everything is different and yet nothing is different but man you know everyone's upset that's what reboots are for but that's why we're excited but then we get excited about practical magic i'm sorry i just looked at another picture and i just saw uh you know stocker channing is so fucking hot in practical magic yeah yeah i'm immediately objectifying her and but then i realized that you were talking about freddie and zelda being um being Jillian and Sally Owens. And I just realized Natalie and I should dress as them.

Oh my God. For Halloween. But then no one would ever get who we are. No. People in your community would. I hear about, I hear, I'm telling you, almost every time I post a picture of my kids from the backs of their heads,

people respond to me with practical magic. I think that this, in the community we're in, I think people would absolutely know that you were doing a practical magic. Oh my God. I just want to be in practical magic. And I just want, I feel like if I watch it again, now I always wanted to be Sally and Jillian, but now I know I'm meant to be stalker Channing. Yeah.

And I'm ready to be Stockard Channing. Can I just be soccer chaining in practical magic now? Like if I could just pivot, you know? Yeah. And that's my life. Like I live on a big house in the Pacific Northwest. and I do my rituals and I sell my creams. I want to talk more about the life of Stockard Channing. I wonder if she has a memoir. Oh, I would love to hear more about her.

Yeah, I know nothing about her. All I know is that I've wanted to be her since the beginning of time. Since I saw Greece when I was five years old. Exactly. She's up there with like a Kathleen to Jimmy for me of like I just, I saw that women could do things like that and I wanted to do it. For those of us who knew we would never be Sandra D, we needed Rizzo, you know? We needed Rizzo.

There are many of us who, and this is something fun that Aubrey Plaza said in her talk with Amy Puller, she was like, I was, I loved theater, but I was always a chorus member. I was never the lead. And then she said they did Cinderella and she got cast as the ugly step sister. And at first, of course, she was upset because she wanted to be Cinderella. She wanted to be the lead. And then she realized the ugly step sister. gets the laughs. And so she leaned into it. And she was like, oh, I'm not the beautiful lead.

I'm the comedic role. And that was how she like found herself. And we're needed to. Yes. Exactly. Everyone needs a Rizzo. So, yeah, I, I am grateful to Stockard Channing for for that. Oh, and that even just, oh, the beautiful eloquence of her character in Tuang Fu, thanks for everything, Julie New Marsh. It is just a, she is one of the smaller parts in it. And it's usually not who you're talking about when you're talking about two-wong-fu-thew, thanks for everything Julie Newmark, but man, she knocks it out of the park. I love you, stalker chatting.

We love you. 81 years young. Don't you, don't you throw any gations about. I don't want to hear. I don't want to know. Like, do not take her off the pedestal for me. I want to know nothing if anything has ever happened. I guess tell me, I need to know if we're screaming.

And then just like, don't you know what? She did. But you know what? There's only one way to find out. And that's by saying you love somebody on a podcast. And then you'll find out. Everything bad they've ever done. Badman?

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