Page 7 - Second Helpings - Here to Dry Things Up w/ Kara Klenk

Episode Date: June 20, 2025

This week on Second Helpings, Jackie and MJ are joined by the one and only Kara Klenk to goss' 'bout the lack of new episodes of TLC's 'Polyfamily' TV series, since that's what Jackie was gonna watch while taking ABBATH. But since she couldn't, she started TLC's new show 'Virgins' and bathed in her own tears. That slides into talk about the new teaser trailer for the Jeremy Allen White Bruce Springsteen pic comin' out, as well as chat about who is the current generations Bruce, and talk 'bout Bobby Flay and his tribune to the too young passed Anne Burrell. A new season of 'THE BEAR' droppin' soon solidifying it's gonna be another Jeremy Allen White summer, and Kara proudly announces she's not into rat bois! 'The Traitors' Season 4 cast has been revealed, and sadly the New York and Mary from Real Housewives leak was REAL FAKE, instead it's the Kelce bros warning 'bout mama Kelce, so here's hopin' for crop tops, daisy dukes, and beer bongs! Kara gets to have her Rain Man moment and show she's an excellent watcher of Real Housewives, there's now pizza vodka, and Gwen Stefani is promoting dangerous cooking habits all in the name of CONTENT so NO FOOD IS SAFE! Then a SECOND JACKIES SNCAKIES THIS WEEK (that starts at 1:05:22.576) thanks to a very generous listener while MJ continues to torture his colon via hot chip at 1:10:06.542 before it's time to get some PICKLE FISH to end Jackie's Snackie's at 1:16:57.916, all that and more on this week's Second Helpings!ALSO! DON'T FORGET 'BOUT 'WHO'S THE BITCH?'S UPCOMING THREE HOUR SUMMER BITCHATHON OVER AT youtube.com/@whostheb JUNE 26TH @ 4pm-7pm PTS/ 7pm-10pm EST!!!!!Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

I'm around. Yeah, don't worry. Kara doesn't know what the song is from. It is from the step-by-step theme song. You think I don't know? I don't know. I feel like, step-by-step song. I feel like.

I'm sorry, what? I don't know. I didn't need to speak for a different handplay. The people we've always turned out on and his yelling at this. We'll make it better. How do you? How do you? I am PGIF running through my veins.

Well, yeah. Man, it's just like me and condiments. I'm so proud of you. Welcome. Welcome to Second Helpings, Kara. Kara, you are joining us for our second episode of the week. A little bit more free form, a little bit more loosey, as opposed to the strict Nazi regime of the first episode that you do. People are terrified of the fascism. We're sprinkled into page seven every week. We're all getting less and less. We're all getting less and less terrified of fascism every day, aren't we? I mean, we're just getting normalized. It's just walking. washing over us now. Every waking moment, you know. Settling into a nice, boiling hot tub of fascism. Honestly, the blisters are hardly bothering me anymore. It's fine. Get out the Al-Avera. You'll be fine. It gives you character. But that's just the Calvin and Hobbs of it all. Welcome, Karak-Clank, co-host of Who's the Bitch here on the last podcast network. I guess you have other shows as well. You also co-host of That's Mess Up, SVU podcast. Yeah, if you like SVU, that's me. Yes, get on it. know owl about SVU. And we're not talking about that today though. No. We're not, I mean,

although I will say MJ and I were talking before the show and we realize we're both taking down the separate like spectrum of summer television right now because I am fully locked and loaded into Love Island USA season seven. But MJ is living in the world of the, you know, mommy murders, like the true crime. Oh, Sirens. I'm going to watch Sirens. Yes. It's on my list.

I like everyone to be like upset in a kind of atmospheric way. Yeah. Yeah. Well, one of the stars of Sirens, Megan Fahey, came on my podcast and she was a delight. Oh my God. Really? It was so crazy.

We interviewed her when she was living at home at the end of the pandemic. And she was like, I don't really know where my career is going at all. Like she was literally living at home. talking to us from her mom's house. I was like totally cool. And then boom, white lotus, everything. Ciren. Yeah.

Drop. Like she suddenly, yeah, and now she's blowing up and she's like, such a cool person. So I'm happy for her. Oh, my God. That makes me so. We love when the good ones are now

they're doing it and killing it because those are the ones that deserve it. Because I feel like we spend so much time screaming about the other ones, you know? Because the other ones should be screamed about. Now, I don't want to segue this into just real quick the fact that MJ and I have been losing our minds because we have been watching this show

called Polly Family over on TLC. And there are six episodes out and it is not the end of the season and there hasn't been a new episode in weeks and we keep scouring the internet being like are there new episodes? No one's talking about it on Reddit or anything? Oh, people are talking about it on Reddit.

They're talking about it. No one has any info? There's no voice of authority. I'm literally in the group now, Polly Family TLC gossip group. I mean, I haven't joined it. I'm looking at it.

Wow. And you're a parent. I don't know how you're doing it all. I don't know how you do it all. MJ does it all. Yes. And so over there, they're very busy speculating about what happened. And yes, there are many, many Reddit threads.

But no one knows. Some people say they only make six episodes for a new show. Some people say it's the end of the season. And then others say it has been stopped because of the gaysion. against one of the cast members. Oh, somebody caught gations. Wait, so we don't know. But also, again, these are whispers on the wind.

So we're not saying this as any authority. We are just, we are reporting all the whispers. But I guess you are right. Oftentimes TLC will give a shorter season to the first. And I get that. It just didn't feel over. Over. Like, it just felt like an episode.

And I had no idea. And maybe I wasn't paying attention with my critical eye. You know what I mean? Because usually there's somebody who's like, my cousin's a PA on that show and here's what's up. Like, everything leaks, you know? Exactly. This is what we're doing right now.

That's what we're hoping to do today. We want to find out. This is a call for info. Yes. If you know anybody that works on P.M.7 Podcasts at gmail.com, please let us know. Drop the tea. Because I will know that I did hear tale from friends of ours that are working there that also, you know, that are, have known in the neighborhood of the family.

And people have said that they're not getting. good edits either that of course, you know, TLC is good at TLC and they're going to pick and choose whatever they want to show. But I was upset last night because I thought I was going to sit and watch Polly Family while I was sitting in the bath. And that's upsetting. Yes. When you're sitting down and you're ready for an episode of Polly Family. I had my bag of twin snakes. I had my Pepsi Zero. Like I was lowering your naked body into the bath. And then everything went to shit. It all went to shit. And what happened was, is I put on the new TLC show, virgins instead. And then I got really sad.

What's virgins? It's exactly what you would expect. What do you think it is, Kara? What do you think it is? It's a bunch of girls. I'm assuming girls is a guys too? No, no, it is a bunch of young kids being like, we're virgins. How old are they?

Oh, it's about older. It's like 40-year-old virgin the TV show. Yes, it is 40-year-old. They missed an opportunity to call it 40-year-old virgins. I think they were trying to not make jokes about it, which I actually appreciate TLC for once for just a moment. But I, it is, it is a very, because it has nothing to do with looks. It is all to do, like it is psychological issues.

It is very. Religious stuff. At some point, but then like when, like culture can get to a point where it becomes psychological, because then you think I cannot insert anything into me without physical pain. And it's like, it is, I, you know, put it on, again, I'm talking twin snakes, Pepsi Zero bath here. Like, this is like a 6 p.m. bath. You literally went from such opposite ends of the spectrum. You went from people that are all fucking like three or four people to people that have never fucked at all. That just and it's. The CLC has a range of content, Kara. Wow. There is a spectrum.

There is a woman on the show who has been married that is still a virgin. And the story is so sad and I'm just all of a sudden cut to me just being like crying in the bad and I was like why and I'm like I made one of my friends watch it while I was watching it so I could actively text about it and she just keeps being like why did their friends let them do this show and I was like because they're trying to spread awareness about it I guess I don't know okay okay okay I mean we can't turn this into a full recap Virgin's podcast but I'm just like why is the married couple not having sex? Well, they are now, well, she's now divorced. It was a marriage for a green card and this person ended up being a horrific person. Oh, okay. So it's like, no, it's why it's so sad. Like the show is not so that I'm glad that it is not just being like,

boy, oh, they can't put it in there. You know, it's like, I'm glad they're not taking that aspect with it. I'm not, but I just, um, I'm just letting everybody know. I shouldn't have been surprised that virgins was so sad. Okay, but some people are really like, some people think just the identity of being a divorcee is like extremely hot. And so maybe I, maybe there's got to be people out there who are extremely turned on by the idea of a virgin divorcee.

It's such a niche identity. Yes. Yeah, that's very, very, you know. Unless you're born again. Yeah, unless you're like a born again virgin. Right, right, right. Or whatever. Yes.

Oh, yes. Like I know somebody who got divorced, got married to their boyfriend and then got divorced. but stayed with their boyfriend just because they thought it would be fun to identify as a divorcee. Ooh, that's fun. That's bizarre. It seems like a lot of paperwork.

That's bizarre. I don't have the energy to fill out the paperwork. I can write that out for you. You can also just role play that you're really divorced. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you don't have to be.

Yeah, yeah. You don't have to actually do it. Sometimes you've got to commit to the bit. It's the ultimate committing to the bit. It is. It really is. Psycho. Okay, that's crazy.

Also, virginity is a construct of the patriarchy. Are we, like, I mean, yes. What are we even, like, just for there even to be a whole show that's like, why haven't you done it yet? What? I know. And I just, honestly, it's just, I feel so bad that, like, the pressure that has been put on it for them as well that, like, has to. And then adding all the cameras into it, I can't imagine is helping. But at least, you know what?

They're working on it. It's something that they want that they're trying to go after. You don't have to justify it, Jackie. It's okay. Listen. Listen. I wasn't 40, but I wasn't 40, but I wait. I waited a long time. Yeah.

Really? I was a late bloomer. I was a late bloomer. I was late bloomer in that. You got two late bloomers in the house. I was 22. Okay. That's pretty late.

Wow. That's pretty late. That's all of college. Yes. All of college. Wow. I was doing other stuff. Was it more active choice?

Yeah, because my mom gave me a bunch of guilt about it and was like, don't do it until you're married. And then by the time I was 21, I was like, wait, that's idiotic. Yes. By then I was like, I don't want to do it with any of these guys. Yes. At my college. Yes.

And then, but. You know, so yeah, it was just, I'm like a late bloomer on that stuff. Yeah. Hell yeah. Good for you. I mean, well, this is honestly one of the discussions on the show was a woman that was like, I wasn't thinking about it. Like, I was a late bloomer and I didn't really, I wasn't even really into the idea of

sex until I was in like my mid-20s. And then I started thinking about it. And I honestly feel like sometimes I'm like, tell me about that freedom. Like, I feel like it is a freedom that I kind of wish I had because I feel like I've been. such a horny dog since I can remit. Like I feel like I've always been horny. Oh, listen, I was a horn dog. I was dry humping in jeans, denim on denim.

Like, listen, I was doing, I was horny, but I just was like, it didn't have to get all the way. I don't know. I didn't know what I was missing, really. You know, like that's the thing. It was up on this pedestal. Yes. You know, I think it, because it's because the concept of virginity is up on this pedestal,

yeah, I was also a late bloomer, but I kind of wish that I, it's not like I work it's not I'm not I don't say I wish I wasn't because it was like too late to wait till college but I think that I needlessly felt like it was this thing I needed to like be very careful about that way as well yeah I agree like I wish I'd been like more like experimental as long as I was like being safe and stuff yeah I think I was just like nope nope nope like I don't do that and then it's like why like I don't know just listening to what your parents tell you for a long time which yeah I think college helps break you of that yes but yeah like I was so late to the game. Hell yeah, but then did you like pop off? Yeah, and then I was like, anybody.

Yeah, yeah. Yes. But like, I didn't even start thinking about getting, dating anybody until I was like, when I was 27,

I was like, should I start having a boyfriend? Like when I was 27. But did you, and that's when I started actively trying to date. But did you like long for a boyfriend

before that? No. Really? No. Where is, I was like, I was like, I like,

I make out, I hook up. I hook up here and there, but I like hanging out with my friends. I just wasn't. And then I have a friend who's like, was so conditioned from a young age to like have a boyfriend from her mom.

Yeah. That she's like, what was that like, what was that like, what was that like, what was that like, obsessed with having a boyfriend? Yeah. And I was like,

I guess, I guess it was kind of a weird gift I gave myself that I just didn't. It wasn't, like, I would go to camp every summer as a camp counselor and everybody would be like, who am I going to get with this summer? I'd be like, wait, I thought we were just going to like have fun and drink

and like do, go skinny dipping and do crazy shit. Like I wasn't like, who's my guy for the summer? Right. It's like somebody had to really appeal to me. And that's why I'm married to Jared Logan. That's a nice testament to terrible. I mean, I married the first guy I seriously dated.

Damn. The first guy I seriously dated. I mean, I dated other people. But first serious boyfriend. I love that. You're just a bitch that knows what you want. Yes. Oh, yeah.

You really are. And that's wonderful. I just because I feel like it really does add so much weight and pressure to things that you don't need. like you're talking about, specifically camp. Like the idea of camp and really, Kara has changed my brain of what a camp experience could be because I think that just living life,

being terrified of the outdoors, being a plus-size person, I have always been terrified that I was going to go to camp and that I was going to get brutalized in some way. And I was just ready for it. I was like, oh, that's what happens. You know, Piggy gets the shib. I feel like if you watch anything, Stephen King's movie.

Yeah, that's 80's movies really set you up for a failure. For sure. And I feel like I was always ready to be called oink for the summer. You know what I mean? And you've changed my brain about what, uh, how wonderful a camp experience could be.

But I love that I didn't know that the sexuality had nothing to do with it because I feel like the only thing, because of the show bug juice, I wanted to go to camp so I could find someone that would, wouldn't know about me at all that would want to kiss me all summer. Well, that's the kind of one of the beauties of camp is when you go to camp, you can kind of be a different person than you are at home.

You can like, if you're the book nerd that does, that gets straight A's and does all the stuff, you can kind of be like the laxadaisical kid that just does whatever they want with their day, you know? Or, yeah, just be a different person. So, and then you can kind of bring that person home, the confidence that you get at camp, you bring that home to your home person. See, I was just, I was just, I love this. I was just like bullied and left out at camp.

So I, different fear of the day. It absolutely depends on the camp. I mean, it depends on the culture of the camp. But I went to an all-girls camp. That's what I liked about it. The boys camp was down the road. Oh, see, that would have been even better for me. The kids, it's mostly separate, but for the staff at night, you commingled.

So that's what I mean. But when you're a kid, you see the boys like three times a summer, four times a summer, like not that often. I would have been so angry if I actually had gotten the gumption and been like, mom, send me to camp. And then I only saw the ones that I wasn't scared to kiss. Think about how horned up you'd be for the dances. The three dances the summer, you would have been like waiting for those, like building up all here. My problem is I wouldn't want. Yeah, like a Mormon.

I think that honestly thinking about that and why I was always scared of an all-girls school is that I always knew I was attracted to women, but I was terrified of it. So I actually feel like that would be even more of a nightmare. When there were a lot of girlies that got into that, I'll tell you. I would hope I would hope I would like. We had one summer where there were so many couples, we called it seven brides for seven brides. We were like, what is happening? There are so many people. The most boy crazy girls you've ever seen would be like, okay, we're together.

Me and Meg are together now. Oh, my gosh, bitch. It's happening left and right. Love it, love it, love it. See, oh, man, now I kind of. See, I think the problem was, I started. my day with watching the Jeremy Allen White teaser trailer for the new Bruce Springsteen movie. So you're already sliding off your chair.

I apologize. I came into this. Yeah, I came into this half juice and I apologize. I have taken half of my orange and it has been squeezed and now I'm just sitting in my own other half. But I did not show this to carry it. Now, MJ and I have watched it because I need to say, I feel like we don't talk. talk about Bruce Springsteen very often on this show.

You know, it's not really our vibe. But as an East Coaster, I have Bruce Springsteen so thoroughly sewn into the soul, I mean, between him and Billy Joel, I feel like growing up in Queens and living in New York for such a long time. And I forget, like, when I talk to Jeff about Springsteen or if I talk to him about, like, you know, mob shit and stuff. like that, that there are certain things that I feel like are so imbued in, in East Coast, like the burrows of what you have to know about and care about.

And he's like, yeah, I don't know if I've ever really thought about Bruce Springste before. And it's like, what? And I'm like, but the boss, but he can. He is just kind of like there. If you're from the East Coast, I mean, he's just there. He's just there in the background, like, no matter what. And like, if you've never watched a video of him, like playing, you know, the guitar.

He's literally playing the guitar, and he's like up against his fucking friend, playing the saxophone, and then he jumps from the stage up onto the top of a piano while playing the guitar. Benson Boone. Benson Boone could never. Benson Boone could never.

He might flip up there. That's so funny that you said that. He might clip up there, okay? That's so funny that he said that because as you were talking about Billy Joel and like Bruce, it's like who, do we have those people new? Does the new generation have those people, like these kind of like rock star guys?

I don't think, I mean, yeah. Not that Billy Joel was a rock star, but Billy Joel was a bit more of like a crooner with like a pop vibe. Like, but they can play an instrument really well. Like they do guitar or piano or something. And then they just are solo and they just have hit after hit after hit after hit. We don't have that. Because in my head, everyone's going to puke all over themselves and you're allowed to.

At first I was like, who like plays their own music who writes? I'm like, I mean, we've got like Ed Shearin and then I almost threw up all over myself. Yeah, that's like. Have you ever compare Ed. and she, I'm not saying, we just don't have that kind of guy anymore. It's crazy. Taylor plays all of her instruments and stuff.

Sure. But I think that, I think what makes Bruce so special is like also the folk hero aspect of it. Yes. He's the working man. The working man and the good politics and all of that.

Like I, my Bruce Assents did not begin in youth. And maybe that was the Midwest's fault. Maybe it was just the fact that I only listened to musical soundtracks until I was about 18 years old. But, but, but, But then I saw in 2004 Bruce Springsteen and Bright Eyes and REM did a Rock the Vote show tour. Oh, cool.

And I saw that in Minneapolis in 2004. And I was like, you know, I was obviously there for Bright Eyes. But I was like, REM's fine. And I'm excited to see Bruce Springsteen. I obviously knew he was an important guy. But then that was when I was like, oh, you know, like absolute mind blown. Late bloomer on Bruce Springsteen. But so I feel like, yeah, I don't know.

I think that he is, honestly, I'm not even like the big, it's not like I own all his albums, but I kind of feel like he's a once-in-a-generation figure in terms of being, both having fucking awesome rock and music and being like the political figure that he is. And I do struggle to think of who. And he's also like, isn't he, hasn't he been married to his wife? Or are they divorced? And I think he's a wife guy. Yeah.

Like he's like a wife guy forever too, which is like wildly. It doesn't seem like, I mean, whatever, he probably has skeletons in his closet. But like, we, you know, we haven't, like, seen the sort of sleighs or not. Yeah, like, no sleighs has, like, a... No sleighs, really. He's 75 years old, and I don't know if you've seen a picture of him recently. Good Christ. Oh, he looks fantastic.

Man, money forever really can make you look good for a long time. It's really nuts how that happens. I'm going to make... I'm going to say something, and please don't cancel me, because I don't know if I'm right. I'm just experimenting here. What if we would say that Billy Joe Armstrong occupies a somewhat similar space for our generation? Because I'm not comparing American Idiot to the body of work. But like I feel like he is like a he's kind of an outspoken, unapologetic progressive.

He's got the Green Day has so many albums that are good. But it's not the same. It's not the same. I'm just thinking about the longevity. Yeah. I will definitely allow the entrance into the conversation though. and I like people are going to, oh, I can't, I'm already afraid of a comment. People are going to be, like, MJ's a fucking idiot.

No, listen, I hear what you're saying. I hear what you're saying, but that's even like, I even put him, like, that music was big when I was in high school. I mean, like, today's people. Today, I don't know what these, like, today, I'm like, these kids, today, who do they have? I mean, they have Taylor. That's true. But, like, more in, like, Taylor also not super politically outspoken. I mean, she has.

She has said a few things. She has said a few things. She's not the same as Bruce. Not the same. And then, yeah, she's just not starting a podcast with Obama. But like, doesn't he have one with it? Give her some time. Yeah.

Let's see. Let's see how it goes. Yeah, like just, yeah, I don't know. I'm not like a massive Bruce, but like screamed his songs at the bars, you know, with my friends. Oh, yeah. Like, remember Courtney Cox in that video. That's a Bruce video, right? Where she gets up on the stage and, like,

so he's definitely iconic. It's funny, when I lived in Italy, there was this singer named Vasco Rossi that they're obsessed with in Italy. And they played me his music, my friends. And once they described it to me, I was like, oh, he's your Bruce. Like, he's your Bruce Springsteen.

Like, he's this guy that, like, everyone in Italy knows, and he's got this, like, gravelly voice, and he sings these songs, and he's like a rock, you know, like, what's his name? Vasco, V-A-S-C-O-S-S-S-I. There really is nobody. And I know that Billy Joe Armstrong is a big town. Is not even remotely on the same like platform.

But yeah, we just watched School of Rock with the kids and I was like, I don't know if, I don't, I mean, I, obviously we have like rock still. But I don't really know like if this. Who's rock now? I don't, I mean, I mean Dave Grohl, but then this is the thing. But he, like, the food fighters. You just had, you know, the baby. A secret baby. Secret baby.

Not so secret baby. Not that I'm holding that against him. Because I'm sure possibly, we don't know what Bruce, like you said, we don't know what skeleton. There's got to be skeletons out there, Rose Springs. I mean, right? He's got to. Come on. Or do we just feel that way now about anyone that has been in the business for that long?

I'm like, of course. I mean, yeah, of course he grabs. Yeah, but that's just for the man. And it's fine. It is kind of a funny thing, too, though, that like I think women have mostly taken over the music industry in general. Like, we used to have Michael Jackson, Elton John, I mean, not Elton John's gone, but Elton John is, I just went to his farewell tour. You know, like. I went to his final tour, I think seven years ago. Yeah. When Henry and I went and I was just like, he's still saying

goodbye, but also, oh, he's gone. He's losing his eyesight and that's all, apparently, it's all very sad. Yeah, he was, I mean, but like, we, I don't know, we just used to have all these, like, major dudes. And now it's like Harry Stuy. And they can't stop grabbing. And so they've fallen from grace. Yeah. Everybody's writing books about how the men don't have any boys or the boys aren't doing well, you know. And we've got to figure out how to square the circle here. They just can't stop grabbing, you know. And I guess I don't want to immediately go right into talking about Bobby Flee and Ann Burrell. But I, I, I do. Bobby Flee, if we're going to talk about skeletons and cheaters. Skeeted on Stephanie March.

I know. I mean, Alex Cabot from Law & Order SVU not to bring it back to my other expertise. I love that. You come at the story from that side.

We come at it from hate and Bobby Flay since the beginning of time. But he cheated with Jada. I'm always like, I don't know if he can cook or not, but he cheated on fucking Stephanie March. I know.

Wait, does he have a relationship with Jada? He cheated on, well, as covered by page 7 at the time this was happening, the person he was cheating on ADA Alex Cabot with was Jada.

Was Jada? Yeah. Oh, and you know I have a personal story about Jada Delantis. No dish, bitch. Okay, so, picture it. Torino, Italy. Okay.

We're going back to Italy in 2006. Okay, we're going to Italy in 2006. So I worked for the Today Show at the Olympics. Oh, my God. I was a page at NBC. I got a job at the Today Show working for the Olympics because I speak Italian. So they were like, yeah, you're going to be a runner. I was like doing this stuff.

So I ended up helping. Oh my God, you're just like Julia Fox. This is like Julia Fonzis. What? I am. No, but she only speaks Italian. The only portion that she sent you for. speak Italian

and she's from Italy but I'm sorry that's no you have nothing to Julie Fox So like I So I'm like in charge of helping The guy who does the food segments right And so Jada comes on to do like a food segment

So they give me this list of stuff she needs From like local shops to like make something on air And I have to be like I pick it in it Yeah like but you know And it's like I'm pretty You mean Jackie speaks Italian too Yeah

I think of the store and go Abba to bah Yeah Yeah Yeah, yeah, me too. So honestly, I could have been sent as well. Yeah. So, like, basically, long story short, I go,

she gives me this list of stuff. I go and I get everything. And the only thing I can't figure out is bay leaves. And it's like, I'm pretty fluent in Italian, but I'm like, sorry, I don't know every little, like, spice. And you know what I mean? Of course. I don't know how to say cardamomom in Italian.

But like, I. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, I was like, I was like, oh, I got everything except for the Bay Leaves, but I'm going to just try to figure it out, I'm going to go back to this other store that I think has it. And she goes, oh, we should have sent someone who speaks Italian. And I was like, I actually

do, I just don't know how to say Bay Leaves, bitch. I was like so mad. That's what she said? That's what Giata said? She looked like a lollipop. Yeah, she did. Does that surprise us? We don't talk about women's looks. She just has a very large head. Does it surprise us, Jackie? I don't know if you watch

Giaata, Kara, but like her show, she's like, and I know she speaks Italian or whatever. And maybe you do this because you speak Italian, but she'll be like, so then I'm going to take the bread and I'm going to put a little, alio, and it's like the rapid switching back and forth in a way that is just so, even Julia Fox, who does speak Italian also in her book, when she goes back and forth with her Italian in English, somehow she does it and it's not annoying. And then when Giata does it, it is annoying. And is that a double standard that's probably just based on my personal feelings about Giata and

Julia Fox almost certainly. Yeah. Like I know that in Italy you say brusquetta, right? But when I'm at a restaurant, I go, can I get the brusketta? Like I'm not talking like, right, right. Yeah. I'm not like getting, you know. If you wanted to though, when, you know, we go out to dinner. We are going out to dinner. We are going out to dinner tonight to a Mexican-Italian fusion place.

Yeah. So if you want to. I'll speak a little Spanish. You speak a little Italian. We'll be like, we're the fuge. And the American Highland Park waitress will go, what? What? What?

The rig of fucking Tony Alote? Yeah. You can have it. And I'm very excited about it. But if you do want to speak only in Italian to the waitress, I'll translate for you. Okay, okay, perfect. I'll make sure. They all know we're in there.

But back to the task at hand. Jada, I didn't know about that Jada. Maybe I did. That was in the back of my brain that Jada was the other woman. And we do hate Bobby Flay, but we have to first pour one out, pour a big one out for Anne Burrell, who you will, people who don't, who didn't spend many years of their lives watching the food network. like I did might not care.

But if you are a Food Network, bitch, Anne Burrell is like an all-star of the Food Network. She was a host of a show called Worst Cooks in America, which was one of the ones I never felt like watching. But she was a great, she was a guest on all of them. She does look familiar. She's really fun.

Especially if you were working with the Today Show, I imagine you have interacted with her at some. I feel like Anne Burrell was one of those, I know it's silly because we don't usually talk often about celebrity deaths. I feel like that's kind of... What can you say? Yeah. We try to keep it, you know, positive and light.

But just Anne Borell, seeing it, the notification pop up, and I was just like, man, I don't know why I always felt like because she's been on the food network, I feel like since the beginning of time. Totally. I've been watching her guest judge on absolutely everything. And like you said, I never got into worst cooks in America. But I always had a smile because I always liked how Ann Borell cooked. I liked her.

her vibe. She has a great vibe. Just a great, like she looked, honestly, dude, I wanted to smoke a bowl with her. I feel like she would be the kind of person at a barbecue. She seems like so sweet. Even in all these pictures of her, she just seems like a cool lady. And everybody that's, like a radiant personality. Yeah. And she survived Mario Battali. I mean, come on. Yeah. Yeah, she did. So many of those Food Network people seem like pricks and I like them for like, I tune in to watch them be pricks. And she just seemed like, like a badass. Like, you know, I think all chefs have like, you know, I think that there's a bit of, you know,

kind of, I would guess that a lot of chefs would say this, that there's a little bit of a crazyness that draws you to that lifestyle. Of course. I mean, I mean, hours as well, you know, I get it. Exactly. Exactly. Especially being, not only being a chef, but being a public celebrity television chef. that is a whole different ball game.

And, like, in fact, the world, it seems like there's lots of separations and interesting judgments that come, of course, like in any business. I feel like there's always going to be like, oh, you have to do it in front of everybody. One of those kinds of feelings. But I just, I don't know. I always dug her. And, yeah, there's not much to say. But it is crazy because Bobby Flay was talking about Anne Burrell.

There's all these, there's been all these lovely tributes all week from all these chefs that I love from Food Network about. her. Yeah. And so, and she was only 55. It's like so, so sad. Uncomfortably close to my age. I'm not even, I'm not close, but it's, that's too close. I know. We are now at the age where 55 is devastated. It's devastating. But yeah, so all these tributes and, and it is, you know, in terms of like what I was saying about there's a certain type of craziness, it's just like all these chefs are like, obviously have all these stories about, you know, late nights and adventures and, you know, just having great meals together. And there's just, there's a real kind of like seize the day mentality that. chefs seem to have that I really enjoy. But Bobby Flay's tribute included, and I know, again,

fuck Bobby Flay, right? But one thing I really love about Bobby Flay is that he loves cats. And he loved his cat who just died recently. His name was Nacho. Nacho was a Maine Coon. And he, in his tribute to Anne Burrell said, Anne Burrell was the one who helped me to fall in love with Maine Coons. And so that's how I, like, got Nacho. And so, like, Anne Burrell is the reason that I have this, like, virally famous cat, Nacho. And so, and so, and so that's the reason that I have this, like, virally famous cat, nacho. And I just think that that like Anne Burrell got Bobby Flay into Maine Coons is a stupidly fun fact. I think it's really nice, you know. It's just a nice. And I don't know, it's just everyone's saying that it kind of came out of nowhere. And she just got married like three or four years ago. And I just,

I don't know, it made me feel a type of way. So we're just pouring one out for Ann Arboral. I'm pouring one out. I'm pouring one out. I'm pouring one right into my mouth. Well, that's, yeah, that is... That goes out to you, but, you know. Nothing's guaranteed. Life can be short. Sounds like she lived it to the fullest while she had her on this point. Yes, and we enjoyed her thoroughly.

But I did realize that we were talking about Bruce Springsteen and then I ended up not showing you the trailer. Oh, yeah, we got there. Oh, we got, we got, we got, we got, we're Jeremy Allen White. Jeremy, so they dropped, the teaser trailer was dropped for Jeremy Allen White. And I guess that's why I wanted to talk about Bruce just for a second. about our connection with it because, you know, Jeremy Allen White is a certainly,

I feel like because the bear comes out every summer, I feel like we've had multiple, like, heat waves of Jeremy Allen White. And I feel like it is always when it's hot outside. And of course, the bear is going to be dropping soon as well. So it's like it's going to be a Jeremy Allen White summer again. Does he do it for you? Yeah.

I hate that he does. Like, I hate that he does because I know. Yeah, he doesn't do it for me. He does. No. Not even. Okay, so let me show you the trailer. Remember last summer when they did the like the rat boy feature?

Yeah, yeah, Red Boy? I was like none of these guys do it for me. You don't like a rat boy? No, I don't. I'm not in terms. I don't like Adam Driver. I don't like Jeremy Allen White. I love them as actors.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're talking about it. No, they're not making me hot. Him. Barry Cugan. Shalame. No. Barry Cogan.

Not at all. Wow. No. But not even because they're going to treat you bad. Like, you get none of that? No. Adam Driver is in a different category. I don't know why they call him a rat boy.

He's too tall. I think a rat boy has to be a tiny, tiny, pointy. Short, has to be a short king. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So Jeremy and Allen White. I just like Adam Driver, like the face.

Yeah. I do understand. I can't empathize because I do. You and everybody else. I'm in the minority. I fully admit I'm in the minority. I appreciate your perspective because lots of people write in that don't understand our thirst. So I need your perspective and I need to know if this sways the needle.

But I guess have musicians ever, are like, are you usually like a, oh, I slip for a musician? Because I feel like I had a real like musician addiction for a while. I'm sure some musicians. Yeah. Oh, like I always thought Gavin Rostale from Bush was like so hot. Oh, yeah. Like when I was a teen, you know. Yeah.

But I can't think. Who else? Who are the other hot musicians? From our youth? There's just, from our youth, I don't know. It depends on, I guess, I guess if you were into the world of the boy band. But I really... Yeah, not.

I mean, obviously, as a kid, there were a couple new kids that I thought were cute. And I always had my favorite in sync and my favorite backstreet, but I'm not now, no. No, no. All right, we got to watch the trip. So we can't play it because it's music and, you know, they... Oh, God forbid, we play music. So we're going to watch it, and we're going to talk about it. Yeah.

Yeah. He's a man, if I see him with a guitar, jumping up onto a piano, I just. It's a yes. I cannot. But, Kara, I don't feel the, I don't feel the wave of heat. No, honestly, the movie, that little teaser gave me a little bit of goosebumps just because it looks exciting and I love Born to Run gives me a lot of, like,

nostalgia. I could hear two seconds of Bortgeron and I feel I'm crying. Born to run I'm like in a bar with a pitcher of beer in my hand screaming. Oh, yes. Yes. But yeah, he does not. Nothing? No.

Wow. No. I'm so sorry. Man, I thought that we were just pouring the faucet into the sponge and I was ready to ring out. I didn't come here to dry things up. I'm just saying. We need this. I'm like, I need to be soft.

How do you feel about Evan Moss Beckerack, the guy who plays cousin and the bear? I think he's very cute. Okay, good. Yeah. I think he's cute. We're also a sign us up for cousin. We tried to get him on my other podcast.

We tried to get it. Oh, yeah. He's not a no, but he's very busy. Oh, yeah. Well, he's also, I think he's fantastic, right? Ain't he about to be a little phantasmic or something? What? Marvel.

Right? Right. Fantastic Four. Adam's giving me the yes. He's been fantastic four. He also just always plays such a tool or an asshole. Like I mean,

girls is where I first saw him. Sure. You know? And he was such a tool. Or do you watch the bear? Are you a bearhead? I'm a bearhead. Oh my God.

That scene though, with him singing the Taylor Swift song in a goddamn car. I tell you, man, I think about it too often. Yeah, they're really getting me with that character. He's great getting me.

I want him to be my bad daddy. I know, but then you think about the real life. It's one of those things that I think one of the only things I really dislike about getting older is seeing things like that, wanting to slip into next week, but then also being like, but think about the reality, Jackie, and how difficult that would be. Think about being with, you know, so you have to like mold. Having a child with that man. Also.

You know, it's like that, it's just like, that is so, like, think about the person that has to deal with that. And it's like, you've been there. We've all been there in a relationship before. And it's just like, it's like, yeah, but you're so hot, but also, oh. I also love the story of like an unrepentant asshole, like, turning kind of good and, like, getting a skill and, like, being like, but does that happen in real life? Like, do you ever really meet, like, a 30-something-year-old, just full fucking asshole? And you send him to a nice restaurant for a training for a week and he comes back respectful. You like, hey, Olivia Coleman.

This is the thing. Yeah, Olivia Coleman could do a lot of things to you. That's true. You do need Olivia Coleman. I think, I don't know. I think that people change. MJ, don't you dare tell me people change. I met Gideon when I was in my late 20s and he was in his late 30s and we talked a lot about how like it was the right time.

It was just, it was like good timing. Like it was the right time for us to meet. And if I had met a younger version of him, obviously I would have like we were the right ages to meet when we met. Yeah. But if I had been the same age and I had met a younger version of him, I don't. don't think he was a raging asshole like, uh, like, uh, like cousin was. But like, like, I think that, like, I think that, you know, men, try not to offend anybody here, but I think that men do age, like a fine wine is what I'm trying to say, you know, and I think that when you find a,

I think that, uh, sometimes in their 20s, they might not be ready to be the, the good man that they have the potential to be. Um, and I would be nice to be able to accelerate the process, right? but I think that sometimes some men just need a little bit more time. Sure, and some men need to meet a person that's going to help them do that. Right.

Because I think if I met 40-year-old Jared Logan right now and he hadn't met me, he'd be the same person as 30-year-old. Honestly, all of this just makes me think of like in the jerk when he starts taking out the vintage wine. He's like, this is old.

Get me new wine. Just makes it. I just, I think about the jerk all the time. think it's just because it is, I feel like something that, you know, I could head towards and then also find the other side of it. It's like, no, just need this lamp and this chair. I was joking earlier about how there's all these books about, you know, how boys aren't doing well. But one of there, there's this like one bestseller book about how boys aren't doing well. And one of the proposals in the book is that because men, like, because there's like some evidence to

show that boys mature later than girls. Like, and, uh, and so the art, one of the arguments in the book is like, what if we held boys all boys back and they started kindergarten at six and girls started at five. And I was listening to the podcast if books could kill, which I, is a great podcast. And they were talking about this book. And they were like, so what are you just going to have like a pen that you're putting all the five year old boys in? Like, you still have to do something with them. Like, we're just a soft, padded room. No. Yeah. Yeah. Round him up. There's like pre-K-2.

There's like pre-K-2, but it's just for boys. Pre-K-K-2, but it's just for boys. And no teachers will teach it. They're like, are you kidding me? Why would I? Just a bunch of five-year-olds without any, like, that, oh my God, just a bunch of five-year-old boys. Socially emotionally immature five-year-old boys who are not ready to be placed with their peers, you know. Put him in a pen.

I'm just saying that that sometimes, I think sometimes when we talk about adult men, it's just worth remembering that again, sometimes they might just need a little more time. Yes. And they just got to cook. You know, they got a braise. Yeah. And that's completely, some people got to braise longer. Sure.

Some people's moms need to tell them that they need to learn how to do things. You got to break down to sine you, but maybe sinew will be broken down on the Traders Season 4. And we must discuss the Traders Season 4 cast. I have the list in front of me. I will say. that, you know, I am upset because it had leaked that New York and also Mary from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City were going to be on this season. There's no way.

I know, but I wanted them both so desperately. Oh, my God. Can you imagine New York and Mary Cosby together? They would kill each other. I just think Mary Cosby, and maybe I'm wrong, is never going to do, she's barely checking in for Housewives. And she doesn't have to really out. She's doing the bare minimum. And there's no way she's going to do something where she has to like run and do challenges

and shit. There's no fucking way. No, my God. Just sitting on the side. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. I'm wearing Versace.

I'm not doing that. You know, like there unless that's part of the gag. But I don't think that's going to work. But I am excited for Monet Exchange. I feel like Monet Exchange is going to kill the traders. especially like with the how much I like I just really enjoyed I only watched the last season

but I am worried because I feel like this season I don't know I have to see who the instigators are going to be because I will say Travis Kelsey has said because his mom Donna Kelsey is on although is it Kel's. I think I see it online also

it's like apparently like supposed to be Kel's but it's like are we saying Kelz and if I keep saying Kelse Are you even going to know who the hells I'm talking about? Like I'm talking about Donna Kelsey, mother of Travis Kelsey, yes, the bow of Taylor Swift, and the two, you know, football players. Jason Kelsey, see you the other one? Yeah. Jason?

Yeah. I know they have a podcast. I feel like I see them every word their podcast. And so they have said that like you don't even know the other side of Donna. So apparently Donna's going to be a pistol, which I am, I love seeing a woman be, like, like, especially like come in and be a pistol. And I'm here for an older woman. Yes, I'm saying.

I'm here for like a mom figure. Yes. You know, on the show because I would say like last season, Dolores almost filled that and she's not that old. You know what I mean? Like, Dolores was kind of like loved everybody and was almost like, like I think Dolores honestly made it through because she was kind of just like dumb. Yeah.

She threw away every single vote. She never had any idea what was going on. You know. Yeah. She just kind of played it safe and was friends with everybody. she made it through. But like, this is a woman that's significantly older, has, like, raised two boys as, you know, like, I don't know. I think there's... I think she ain't going to take shit. Yeah. I will. I am surprised. And MJ, I don't know if this is going to bring you and, like, force you to watch traitors, I don't know if the fact that Johnny Weir and

Tara Lipinski both Olympic figure skaters. They're both on. There's going to be figure skating drama. And you think that's going to bring me, you think that's going to bring you in. Yeah, I think that's It's not going to be coming in his outfits. I don't know what it's going to be. Yeah. Well, I was going to say on top of Alan Cummings outfits, Monet Exchange and Johnny, we are going to bring the fashion. But what are you, what's holding you back? And you could just say it's being apparent and not having time.

But like, is there something holding you back from traders? No. Because I just got into it last season. I tried last season because Jackie was so excited about it. And I watched a couple of episodes. And for some reason, I just, the type of reality where they're like doing games and tug a war and climbing trees and stuff, for some reason, it just doesn't draw me in.

I'm the same. I just think that's such a small part of Traders. It is a very small part. Like I'm the same. I don't watch Survivor. I don't watch the challenge. I don't watch any of that stuff. Me neither.

What I like about traders is I sort of like the intrigue, the interpersonal stuff, the gossip, the talking behind backs, the strategizing. But I don't like any of the, I'm eating bugs. I'm sunburnt and naked on a beach. Like I don't like any of the, that stuff. So to me, I like that they're in this nice castle. They all get to wear a

cute outfit every day and come down to breakfast and have like a nice spread. They're always drinking at this bar. Like it looks cozy. Like I want to be there. I want to be invited. I want to go. It's a fun little. So that's what I like. And then when they go out and they do the little challenges, the challenges are also so fucking unhinged and silly. They're so weird. They don't actually

require that much physical prowess. Most of them. Yeah. It's so all of them can do it. And I do enjoy that side of it because you're right. It's really not that challenge. Like where they had to go do the baby dolls saying creepy songs, then they had to go sing the baby doll song back to them.

It was so funny, it was kind of like, when I watched challenge and stuff like that, I'm always like, oh, I could never do that. I could never do these things. Like I would be the first one out. But when I watch the challenges on traders, I'm like, I bet I could do that one. You know, like this is exact. I remember Jackie talking about that episode and being like, it was just so fun.

It was such a creative, fun looking challenge. So yeah, I don't know. I'll try again. I will, I hear what you're saying. And I also, I mean, and I like a murder mystery. Yes. So I like the idea of it being like, like, and I also love the classroom game, Assassins, which is essentially that is this, right? So like I, this is a game I've played with many a fifth grader, you know.

So I do think that it's. Yeah, it's like mafia too, right? Exactly. Yeah. Mafia or assassins. Yeah. Same summer camp game, different name. Camp, class.

Yeah. Now, Kara, I have to ask you because you are our resident. Housewives expert. I was just about to say, let me weigh in. There are multiple housewives. So we've got Dorinda Medley from the Real Housewives of New York City. We've got Lisa Rina. We've got Candice Dillard Bassett from the Real Housewives of Potomac.

We've got Portia Williams, the Real Housewives of Atlanta. We also have Caroline Stanbury from the Real Housewives of Dubai. We've got a lot of Housewives. Five Housewives. But let me just say, they got rid of the Housewives so quick fast. Last year, except for Dolores. Dolores was the only one that made it through, but the rest of the Housewives all got eliminated pretty quickly.

But Derinda. MJ was on last season and I guess non-spoiler alert got kicked off I think first. She was eliminated first. So they're bringing Dorinda back which she must have fucking bitch, bitch, bitch, right? To be brought back or do they, I don't know, maybe somebody tell me, do they also bring back the first one kicked off? No, they don't. I don't think they do that. I think that they basically were like we, I think they recognized that the audience was like we could have done with seeing a little bit more Durinda.

The druid is unhinged. She gets wasted and turns into like a different person. Like she's Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. And I think she got really... Scary for real life but great for reality. Yeah. Well, they honestly like they put her on pause on the New York. Famously they put her quote unquote on pause.

And people can say, well, you got fired and she goes, I'm on pause. I'm on pause. I'm on pause. And then they just rebooted the whole franchise so no nobody is back from her whole thing. Whoa. She is quite popular in like the zeitgeist. I think she's one of the more well-known housewives. So I think they're bringing her back because, yeah, probably the audience demand.

Maybe she's got a good agent. Who the fuck knows? But I was saying to my other pot, I was like, don't we just, I feel like all these, so many these people are going to be like, well, Derinda's back. So they made her a traitor or something. Like she's not a faithful because she's back or whatever. They're going to make her a traitor and then she's going to get kicked off early again. But maybe I'm just like overthinking what these people are going to think.

Derinda will be fun. Lisa Rina is such a hated housewife, but also is like perfect television. She has the perfect bitch face. Yeah, well, she has old school lip filler. Oh, yeah. She has the old school lip implants that you cannot take out. She's very scary. So, like, they don't wear down.

Her lips have been like that forever. I mean that in a, she, I mean, she's beautiful person. Like, I'm not saying she's not. It's just, she's, she looks like, uh, Sigourney Weaver, but like, like, I mean, like, as, like, in the world of. Azul, but like Azul. Yeah, she's literally not changed her haircut in 25 years. She's like, it's iconic.

And it's like she's not changed it. She hasn't changed. She's had this shaggy, like sort of like a, yeah, shaggy bob or whatever for a long time. And she's from the soap opera world. Yes. So it's like on top of how she's always producing herself. Like she knows how story works and drama. What I would give to be a soap opera.

Oh, yes. I need to live that. Like apparently it's hard. horrible. She was days of our lives, I believe, for a really long time. Yeah, I'm pretty sure, yes. So she's good. That was when my mom was watching As the World Turns.

What was the one that was always on in your house? Did you have one always on in your house? Your mom was worked. My mom didn't watch, um, soap opera. No stories. I watched all my children, one life to live in General Hospital. Wow. All my children. I think, all the ABC.

My family was all my children. Yeah. And you weren't all my children. Pine Valley. Wow. I was in As the World Turns head. I saw a woman in New York City one time wearing a leather jacket that said Pine Valley USA on the back and she had a neck brace on and it was like

the best, I took a picture of her. It was the best thing from the back. Don't worry. I'm not going to reveal her identity. Okay. So let's go down to the rest of the housewives. Portia from Atlanta, one of the funniest housewives that there is. She is so funny. Famously, her father or grandfather, excuse me, was a

huge civil rights activist and Porsche did not know what the Underground Railroad was. So, wow. That is, but she is not, that is like a little dumb thing she did, but like she is mostly, I would say, pretty smart. and very funny, quick as a whip. Hell yeah.

So she'll be fun. I think it will be whether Portia can, like, not pop off on somebody and then get herself eliminated. Like, if she tries to go after the wrong person, okay. Because Portia's outspoken, and she's really cool and funny.

Man, I feel like I'd be really good on the traders. Yeah. I feel like I'd be very good at getting information. Yeah. You know? Well, right? I'm mysterious. MJ, why did you just look at me out?

Like, I'm not mysterious. I am so, like, no one ever, like, I'm seduction. I am, like, no one knows what I'm calculating. What it is, is you do have very advanced people skills. And so I do think, I don't think that you're, like, manipulative and conniving, but I think that you are so good at talking to people that you could basically be manipulative and conniving if you needed to. Also, we all know that the middle school bully still lives inside you and you could water her.

lash out. Take care of her. Always lash out. Bring her back to. But like, okay, because it's like, yeah, because it's like, how would you act if somebody came for you at the roundtable when you're a faithful? Like, if you pop off too hard, they're like, oh, the lady doth protest too much. You know what I mean? Like, there's so much. My problem, I think I would be the person that would be like, I am thrown in a love island, Amaya right now. I feel like I'd be the Amaya of just like, don't say that I, like, I feel like I would immediately burst into tears, but not on purpose.

Like, I feel like I wouldn't be able to stop them. And then be like, oh, why is she so emotional? Oh, she's, I feel like that's what would get me kicked off. Yeah. Yeah, that's the relentless criticism and attacks is what would be hard for you. Yeah, I guess, oh, maybe I'm not good with that. So the last two are Candace Dillard Bassett, who I like to call Candy Ass, because she spells her name in insane.

She spells her name Candice. C-A-N-D-I-A-A-C-E, which I know is like candy-A-A-S, but I call her Candy-A-S. Candy-Ass is one of the, she was on Potomac, okay, which one of my favorite franchises. I'm definitely gonna be calling her Candy-Ass

the entire Traders season. So, Candy-ass, like, she is quick as a fucking whip. She goes so fucking low. If she knows that, like, your mom walked out on you, she will fucking throw that in your face. Like, she is, she goes so low, but then she's like one of the big users of the cryangle,

which is when the women on the show, especially at the reunions, they wrap a napkin around their synthetic nail, around like their acrylic nail, and then they jam it into like the corner of their eyes to stop up tears so that they don't actually wipe any of their makeup away. It's called the cry angle. I have never been more inspired by anything in my life.

It's like, do I need to get fake nails just so that I can do that because I cry all the time. I hate the way that people, beautiful women on television cry because they can't just cry. They have to like have this careful studied move to wipe the tears away. Well, because they sat in a chair getting their fucking makeup done for two hours. So they're like, don't do it. Like they never like sob and really go. But listen, Candice has a really fucked up mom.

Her mom is really like critical of her and very, she's on the show all the time. their relationship is very fraught and so I wonder she tends to actually go for the approval of older women like there's an older woman on the show Karen that she always is like Karen's like you could tell she's like looking for like motherly approval

I bet that maybe she'll bond with Donna Kelsey we'll see if that happened that's just that's just my PhD from the real from the University of biological but I don't know but who knows yes but

this is what we needed I also know that like even though they're not on same franchises. I think that the Housewives of Potomac and Atlanta kind of like socialize and know each other. So I think she'll be, she might be aligned with, um, Portia. Carolyn Stanberry is one of my favorites. From Dubai. Okay, but you told me not to watch Dubai. Don't watch Dubai. Okay. She's originally from Ladies of London, which is an amazing Bravo show that they canceled, but they are bringing it back. Well, also, they're not bringing it back with her. They're doing real housewives of London. Is that different? Oh, I thought they were just bringing back ladies of London. I don't know.

Or is it the same, I don't know if that's the same thing. I don't know either. But Ladies of London was this show about like six ladies living in London. Half of them were American. Half of them were British. And it was like kind of funny because the Americans were always like, we're buying a castle. And the British women were like, okay.

Like, you know, there was a lot of like new money, old money and stuff going on. I mean, it was all white women. It was very like I liked it because I like British stuff and I like British humor. And I think that Carolyn Stanberry is this ice cold bitch. Like she will just say it like this, like nothing you can't say. I've never seen her get rattled. I've barely ever seen her cry. She is married to a, she is almost 50 and she was married to a guy who is, she is married

to a guy who's like 29 or 30. And he's like, I want the baby, Caroline, because he's like Argentine or something. Or he's from maybe South America. And she's like, okay, maybe, Sergio, maybe. It's like, you, I don't think you can carry a baby much longer. Like, it's just really funny. And they moved to Dubai when she got divorced. And I think basically to do the show probably.

And also because you can, they live crazy in Dubai. Like, they're so loaded. But she just has so much wealth. She was sent to boarding school at, like, age five. She is going to be a perfect trader because you will not know what she is thinking or do it. They will all think she's a traitor from the jump because she has, she literally is like a cartoon villain in a lot of ways. She were unrattled, unfazed.

Oh, wow. They are two separate. They are going head to head. Real Housewives of London is currently shooting. And ladies of London, I guess there's also going to be, I am sorry, I am trying to suss through the Reddits of both of these right now. So they are two separate companies. Well, because, you know, sometimes, well, and also they, like, there's Real Housewives of Melbourne and stuff. That's not Bravo affiliated.

I think they just lent them the IP or like the name. So it could be that Real Housewives of London is like it's going to be on Hey You, H-A-Y-U, which I think is like a British. Ay-U. So I don't think Real Housewives of London is going to be on Bravo. I think Ladies of London is a Bravo thing that's coming back. Not to say that it won't be good. People loved Real Housewives of Melbourne. People loved it.

Gotcha, gotcha. Wow, that is shady in giving it. that like it's not Bravo, but Bravo's also doing like the same kind of thing, but then Bravo lent them the IP to do it somewhere. That's, that's interesting, but I think that they don't care because their viewers aren't really going to see it. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Yeah, because it's on IU and I don't think anybody or maybe high you is. I see how you in the bottom of like TikToks, but I never really know what it is. Yeah, well, I guess we know now. Look at us. Look at us. What are new things over here. So anyway, I think that the Bravo people, plus there's Kristen Kish from Top Chef.

That's another Bravo person. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think that the Bravo people are going to bring a lot of fun to the show. Michael Rappaport's headshot looks like a bug shot. Man, I think, I bet he can't be on it long, right? I can't believe he's going to be. Michael Ravaport's got to be in and out. No, he's going to piss people off.

He's going to get him out of her. You know, it's also going to piss me off. And this is not going to piss me off for the things that you would assume. Wheneth Paltrow goes topless to whip up a boyfriend breakfast in new cooking video. What annoyed me about this? As someone that I do love to live a life where in my home I often don't have clothes on, we all know if you are cooking something on top of the stove. Yeah, out of skillet. You will get burns on your breasts. And I know that like she keeps them high and tight. I know that she like, it's all very tight and probably not as dangly as what I got

over here. But if you're making some fucking fatty ass sausage... Which do you think Gweth Paltrow was making a fatty ass sausage? Well, she was making a high protein meal. Locally made. Farmer's American sausage. Yes, it is. So it is. At best, it's like grass-fed turkey sausage or something like that. But still, that shit is gonna splatter on your titties. And that's all I could think of was like, think of her nipples.

Like, at least cover your nipples. At least put on, I just, I know from experience, I have a grease scar on one of my breasts from making bacon topless. So I was a very personal grievance that you have. Listen to me. Wow. It blistered as well. Like that's so, because it's also sensitive skin that's not as out as often. So it's not like, you know, all your skin is loves getting burned with grease.

But I'm just saying that like around a nipple is not the place you really want to I walk around my house naked, I mean, to the extent, like, where in front of my family and stuff, but not, like, by the front door because we have, like, glass where people can, like, see me outside. But I want, and I did in New York, too, but I have no desire to cook naked. Yeah. No desire. No. I remember.

I'm already burning my arms and hands and things where I'm wearing clothes. I feel like there's been, like, summers where it's so hot that I'll do the dishes, top list. But even that, again, it's not fun because you're getting splattered, you know. It's just, there's certain activities that need clothes. And I just, I don't know. She's such a tryhard. She's such a tryhard pretending to be a not tryhard. Posting this video and be like, oh, it's so, look how fun I am.

I'm so sexy and fun. She's calling it a boyfriend breakfast. And I don't know why she pisses me off everything she does. Wait, this is, can I just tell you guys? So when you said this, I wanted to look it up. So I Google it. And one of the first articles that comes up is Realtor.com, which I think is just a real estate website for finding apartments.

And they have an article. that says, Quinteth Paltrow shares cheeky topless cooking video as she whips up breakfast inside 4.9 million

Montesito Mansion. Like, they had to find their way into it. They were like, that pasta a house is pretty crazy. She's topless,

but also look at that price. I wonder if she's going to get it on the market soon. It's so stupid. I mean, don't get me wrong. I would love

like an eight range, you know, stove top. I do, yeah, I do look at this and way more than thirsting for her or the breakfast,

I thirst for having that large, of a range to be able to use. So that's what I want. But this is just, I just feel like this is her doing, I mean, she's obviously very carefully crafted image control. And I think that she is getting the message that everyone thinks that she is a boring, uptight person who only drinks water all day.

Queen Frosty. Yeah. And so I think she's like, I'm not, I drink more than water. I occasionally eat one single bite of locally harvested sausage. And I cook it with my clothes off. No, MJ. She's been eating. eaten more carbs since the quarantine, all right? And it's been difficult for her to add those back

into her life. And I really think you need to think about where she's coming from, all right? Do you think she would drink? Do you think she would drink the pizza vodka that you sent? Yeah, I do think she drink the pizza vodka. You know, she is on our bitchometer. Oh, she's definitely on our bitchom of who's the bitch. Oh, yeah. Speaking of, come join us for the Who's the Bitch, Summer Bitchathon and next Thursday. I, man, I keep saying April 26. I, I was about to say April 26th, my brain is still in April. I'm fine. That's because of trauma.

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You could call in with a problem. Three hours. Call in and tell us about how your tits got burned making a boyfriend breakfast. Yes. Meanwhile, she's fucking married. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not a boyfriend. No, it's not a boyfriend.

It's like, you're right. Every element of this is like I'm, is trying to, so hard. It's my boyfriend. No, it's your fucking husband. Yeah. And stop trying to make married life sound so cool and sexy and subundaneous. It's like when Katie Perry was like, I blow my husband every time he loads the dishwasher. And it's like, girl, you're getting a divorce. You know? Yeah. Yeah. You guys haven't touched each other in a year. I bet. Yes. He is divorcing. Yeah, that is all the word on the street, though, is that like Orlando Bloom has not been happy with her choices in the media. It's Katie Perry. How could you be happy?

You know, I just think about the shoes. Think about those smelly shoes. But yes, the pizza vodka. I, you know, I'm always, this is a great transition because we're about to get into Jackie Snacky's here pretty soon because I need to get my cheese hounds take on a couple of things. Now, pizza vodka, would you drink it? Would you put it? Are you a vodka hound? Me, I love vodka.

Yes. Yes. Especially we're talking. Someone said vodka. I would also drink this. Right? Wait, wait, what's in the vodka? Pizza vodka?

Pizza flavored vodka. I don't know about that. Really? I love pizza and I love vodka. I don't think everything needs to go together. I agree. You are right. But I would do a shot of it

and I would have it in a bloody berry. I mean, I bet it's probably just going to taste like if you sprinkled a little bit of oregano into a shot butter, right? It's probably going to be like that. I just really feel like we need to support vodka at a time where tequila is fully taking over. Wow.

Every bar that you go to is like, Here are 17 tequila drinks and then some vodka that's just an espresso martini or something like this. Yeah. You're right. And tequila hurts my belly now. I don't like tequila. Okay. And it hurts. And I used to drink only tequila. And now it hurts my stomach. So some of us have to drink the vodka, all right? Maybe we don't want the vodka cocktail, but it is summer. All right. And it makes a nice, you know, a gin of vodka. Give me something nice and light for the summer, everybody. Because we have been screaming about summer drinks. And I have. found my summer drink yet, but I have been exploring more snackies. Oh no, it's Jackie's Snackies. What snacks are you going to eat today? And yeah, it is a double helping of Jackie's snackies this week, but that was because we had a listener. I want to say, I love you so much, Chad. Thank you so much for sending in and you sent in some Jackie's Snackies from the South that I

will say I need to be real with you Chad you sent me three boxes of them and I've only brought in one and do you know why I have eaten the other two and I apologize Kara I did not I maybe I should have saved the other ones the other ones were it was like a sharp cheddar stick

and then the other one was a like a spicier one like a cheddar jack spicy one and that one was really good now this is coming in hot from Chad, and it is from the Mississippi cheese straw factory, and they are called cheese straws. Now, I didn't mean to eat two boxes of cheese straws. It just kind of happened. Isn't a cheese straw like a cracker?

So that's what I thought, and that's what I expected. But it is a very different texture than in cheese. Because usually you're talking like one of like a snappy bread stick, but it's made out of cheese, right? Like kind of the spiral ones. Yeah, I buy it in a box. Those are delicious and I love that. I love that, you know, you put it in a salad and you're like, it's not a breadstick, it's my eggs.

But that is not what this is. Okay. Wow. Yeah, are these like the soft one? I feel like I see these on like shirkutory plates. Yeah, I feel like it's like a softer like almost like a bread, like a cheese, you know. Honeypea, bitch. And I didn't expect it.

And I think that's why it was so surprised. Okay. Get in there. Oh, yeah, it's crumbly. It's crumbly. Even crumblier than I thought. Yes. Is it like a cheese curd?

You guys probably don't even know what that is. No, I do know what a cheese curd is. This is not cheese. This is like a, you know, it's like a, almost like a crumbed dough. It kind of looks like a cheese cookie in a way, but it's not going to be sweet. Okay. You know? All right.

And you don't refrigerate it? It looks like you're trying to hand it to. No, no. So it's not a cheese curd. Got it. Cheese curds are fucking delicious. Jackie looks like you're trying to hand me that bag through the screen. Oh, I am handing it to you.

you through the screen. Yeah, I've had something exactly like this, I feel like, on like a charcutory board or something. What are we thinking out of 10? Man. I mean, you know how I feel because I ate two bucks a little of them already, so like I really buried the lead on us, but. I'm trying to get away from the mic.

They're chewing away from the mic. They're thoughtful misophonia conscious people. It just has such a sharp, delicious cheese taste that is a real cheese taste that you don't often get in like a cheese it. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm going to say for me, I don't know. Do you usually rank first?

Oh, no, please. After you. So I'm giving it for cheesiness. It's up there. It's like an eight or a nine, like really good. But the crumbling, it's very, it's a little bit dry for me. I get you. It's a little dry.

I get you. So I would, if I saw these like, like I said, on a short curatory board or something, I'd probably have like one or two, but I don't know that I would be downing a whole bag unless I was really sad. Stoned. Sad. No, not sad.

Oh, stone? Please. Stoneed, I'll eat like lint out of my lint trap. Yeah. Oh, yeah. But you're right though, Anna, I would love it.

Just a little bit. You know, it's like, it's just... But with a bite of like a, like, Bresjut, you know? And like, I'm saying, like, you add,

you're talking about it. Like, I'm sorry, I'm getting a little giata rea. I feel like if you add something like that, because I will say, I was rap. wrapping them in but you don't eat I know you don't eat me

Oh but I mean girl when I ate meat Prejudo so fucking good I will never ever hate on the deli meats that I used to adore So I was wrapping Prasjit on the outside of them And eating them like that and giving it like a good Like chew

Yeah because that could give it like the grease Of the perjudo could give it a little bit more moisture I feel like it's just a little bit dry for me But Chad Thank you so so much And thank you for thinking of me and if you want to send in your own Jackie Snackies, you can send them in to 4804 Laurel Canyon Boulevard

Number 378 North Hollywood, California, 9-1607. And I feel like stick-stickly every single time I do it. Now, MJ, you also brought in a snack. Shall I do my snack? Yeah, I want to hear your snack. You just want to watch me eat a snack? Well, I, Kara, I've been doing a tour of all of the flaming hot chip options. And I've been having a great time.

I've been eating tachies. I've been eating flaming hot Cheetos. I've been eating pickle-flavored flaming hot Cheetos. I tried Utt's red hot earlier this week. This all comes full circle because I'll tell you something. Tell me. I'm a virgin for the hot chips. When it comes to those kind of chas, I don't eat any hot chips.

I've never had a flaming Cheetos. I had a flaming Cheeto. I had a flaming Cheeto. I had a regular Cheetos. I had never had a flaming Cheeto either until I tried it on the show and I loved it. Absolutely loved it. And so today I've got. We watched it.

live. Oh, you did. I'm a convert now. And then even Gideon tried them and he was like, oh, these are really good. And it's so funny because they look like not food, you know. They're terrifying looking, but they are perfect. I'm just like scared of the lingering spice of those kind of things. I don't mind a little bit of kick of spice.

I just am scared that it's going to be like 20 minutes later and I'm still like, okay, okay, okay, okay, when is it going to stop? You know, like, I think Ataki is much spice. To me, Ataki is much more intense than the hot Cheeto. Okay. But also a more complex. flavor. So, but today, you know the ruffles that are the cheddar and sour cream orange ruffles that are like, they're so good. They're the best flavor of ruffle, but you got to like

stay away from other people after you eat them because it is such a strong flavor. They make flaming hot cheddar and sour cream ruffles. Everything's hot now, dude. Everything's hot now. Wow. It is crazy. We are in a run it. We are in the golden age of flaming hot. making things hot, which is interesting because that does lead into what our last snack is going to be. Make it hot. Bravo. Wow, it is. Does it make it pop?

They're so good. Oh, they're perfect. I love it. Every hot chip I've tried, I like. It tastes just like the cheddar and sour cream, but also it's very hot. Now, wait. I love it. Here's also, I will say, not to be crass.

But I just remember hearing from people when Flaming Hot Cheetos first came on the scene, everybody was like, oh, they're so good. But then when you share. coming out. It's like flaming hot. Yeah. You've been dealing with flaming hot shits? I know.

It doesn't affect you like that? This is why I feel like that is true for syracha. If you put saracha on your food, you are punishing yourself later for me. Yeah. And that's like a dignified ingredient. Yeah. That's like we wouldn't stop using characha in our recipes because it's a lovely, you know, chili, you know, that flavor is so popular.

And so that's a sacrifice that you're willing to make. I have had zero issues with all the hot chips I've been eaten lately. So that's my endorsement. Okay. Okay. And now I just wanted to try one limited edition thing because, again, I've got my cheese hound here. And I just wanted to get your take because not only is everything flaming hot right now, but everything is dill pickle flavored right now. Which I also love. Love, love, love.

It is crazy. I feel like you're seeing flaming hot. This summer, we're seeing spicy dill pickle. We're also seeing s'mores. I feel like everything is getting this. summer as well. We've got eggs in the summer. So goldfish has come out with.

This is brand new, limited edition, spicy dill pickle goldfish. Wow. Goldfish. So I wanted to see, is it because some of my problems with this pickle stuff, sometimes the pickle takes completely over. So is there any goldfish to these goldfish? Okay. And previously, Natalie really liked the old bay flavor. goldfish.

Yes. Oh, yeah. Whoa. Because I think that goldfish are a pretty neutral. It's not a strong flavor in another time. How are we doing? Yeah, but there's no gold fish here. There's no gold fish here.

Cover me dimbers. I actually like it, but it is pickle. Wow, it's pickle. It is forward pickle with a little tingle of spice afterwards, but I am not finding any of the cheese in here. Wow, it is pickle. But also, I think maybe there is no cheese because goldfish, I think, are regularly just crackers.

There are, like, original flavor goldfish claim. I feel like this stuff keeps coming out. Like, I feel like we keep talking about this where it's like, the Skittles are all the same. No, it turns out we were talking about fruit loops when we said that. Skittles definitely have different flavors. Okay, so Skittles have flavors. But Storburst also have flavors, right? Yeah, I mean, trust your senses, Jackie.

You can buy goldfish that are just the goldfish flavor. and then you buy cheddar goldfish. So I think these are just regular goldfish and there isn't actually any cheese here. I don't, well. Because I think if there were, it would be spicy cheddar dill pickle or something. I feel like I get in, you know,

what comes with goldfish is it all jam packed into your teeth? Because I feel like when I get my suckage on the teeth chunks, I feel like I still get goldfish. There is a certain thing that happens specifically with goldfish. They are, like, I've seen TikToks of dentists. being like, don't give goldfish to your kids because they stick to your teeth so much. Oh, really? Oh, really?

I still give you. I still give them. Bad news. I'm still giving it to them by the freaking town. It's happening. Yes. I buy goldfish in that massive carton that looks like a big. My mom used to buy those.

I've always been wanting to get back to a place in life where I could buy the huge container of goldfish. Wow. They do have goldfish original crackers. It's blue. Oh, and it's just plain goldfish. But I think that cheddar just kind of overtook it as you. I think that goldfish are just the standard as the cheddar, but it's not. Man, but I will say this is why you need a mom here.

Wow, quite a punch. Because then there's Parmesan, pretzel, multi-gritty. There's so many of them. The pizza, the pizza goldfish are good. Pizza are good. Would you eat these, Kara and Jackie? Would you have a, if you're at your home, you're watching Love Island, you're stoned, you're reaching for a snack.

Are you going to get the pickle goldfish or is it too pickly? These, I think I would take a little handful and sprinkle them on the side of like a larger snack. I would mix it into something else. I think these would not be my main attraction. But I'm telling you, if you love a pickle, go pick up. If you like pickle, this is pickles. Yes, they are very pickly. So if you dig it, then baby, go after it. This is, you know, we're here to inspire Moby Dick levels of epic journeys. And you are welcome because it gives you purpose. Maybe this is giving me purpose,

and it helps. Maybe I'll try to eat a, maybe I'll try to eat a flaming hot Cheeto before I come see you guys. Oh my God. Maybe I'll open them next time and we'll see how it goes. A taki, I don't think I can go that far.

Tacis are quite spicy, but delicious. Thank you so much, Kara, for joining us. Thank you for having you guys. Thank you, Kara. Second helpings. And thank you so much, MJ. And I had such a blast eating snacks and yelling about housewives with you guys.

And I can't wait, Kara. You will be back soon, and we always love it when you come. Everybody, next week, check out summer bitch-a-thon. YouTube.com slash at Who's the B? Next Thursday, June 26, 4 to 7 p.m. Pacific Standard Time 7 to 10 Eastern. Come hang out. You don't need to pay for anything. You don't need to.

You could just sign up and come. Just subscribe and be our pal. So we'll see you guys then. and in the meantime Pot will be better the second time around I forget it every time. Hey.

Wait, what are you saying? Pot'll be better. Pod'll be better? Yeah. Is that how it goes? No, it'll make it better second time. Yeah.

But it's pot, like the pod is our second helpings. Oh, pod. The pod will be bad. I thought you just said pot. I was like weed will be better. Yeah, yeah. That's better the first time around.

Oh, I get it. You're saying the pot will be better the second time around because it's second helping. You got it. I say we keep the pot. Listen. I thought you were done. I didn't mean to question you.

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