Page 7 - Second Helpings - Hockey, But Make It Gay

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

This week on Second Helpings, Jackie and MJ are BAAACK, and start things off with DWTS, including the fact that it got sadly spoiled as they could not watch it live, but watching Alfonso Ribeiro get roasted by his kids (and looking like his soul left him) was great! JoJo Siwa danced through a burst ovarian cyst because she had a performance scheduled and WTF!??!, MaCaulay Culkin got booed for saying "Die Hard" ISN'T a Christmas movie, Kara and Jackie got tickets to the Mariah Carey Holiday bar!!!, and MJ got tickets for "Les Misérables: The Arena Concert Spectacular"! Jackie reveals she DIDN'T get poocraved with her advent calendar this year, Kevin Spacey is starting up a harmonic lounge show in Tel Aviv, plus Alexa and Brennon from "Love is Blind" are GETTIN' A DIVORCE-O! Quentin toesuckin Tarantino has some garbage thoughts on Paul Dano's acting performance with commentary from producer Adam! MJ's had a UTURN opinion on Lloyd Dobler and his boombox after a viewing + live Q&A with one Mr. John POOSACK, and Jackie's got a new show rec that she was surprised even Geoff liked, plus Jackie is learning about an all new type of penalty box with the discovery of hockey smut! All that and more on this week's Second Helpings!Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Silent bitch, holy bitch. Oh, the weather outside is frightful, but inside we're so insightful. By we, we mean me, Kara Klink. And me, Jackie Zabrowski. The hosts of Who's the Bitch right here on the last podcast network. Where you bring us your bitchuation and we tell you who the bitch is. The next bitch-a-thon is sliding down your chimney on Thursday, December 11th. We're taking your calls live.

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possibly better a second time around you're damn right it will be and i hope oh baby you heard us supping on our snacks at the end of the last show and you're like oh i can't wait to jump into the next round we're not starting with the cookies i've already blacked out the cookies oh oh i'm sorry Did you black out the cookies? I'm sorry, MJ. I was too busy burping up those cookies for the rest of the day. I remember when I thought I was going to be like plagued by the coagulated wicked cream? Yeah.

That didn't plate me for a moment. Those turkey Oreos, I, you know, it had nothing to do with me like gastrointestinely, like at least with the coming in and out of supplies. But it did make everything, like I felt like everything I swallowed that. day including water was swat like was like kind of surrounded by like a grease sheen that there is sometimes an experience where you eat something and you're like okay let me brush my teeth and see if that helps and then when that doesn't help you're like well now what do i do do i kill myself you know i mean that's the problem was that the second that the coffee didn't take it out of my mouth

i knew i was in trouble i was like that's when you know everything's going down y'all uh-oh Ships got a hole Somebody get a bucket I don't know what to do So I yeah Yeah so I just want everyone to think Think of me Think of me as I burp my way

Through the day And it was a nightmare And everybody had to hear about it Everyone that came into contact with me I was worried that like they could smell it from I will stop talking about the cookie now. You know, I just think I, there's a, at my high school internship site, there's a class doing food science and they're learning about like, it's a career exploration class, but they're in a

food science unit right now. And I really want to get, it is fun, but I want to get the turkey Oreos and bring them in just to kind of wreak havoc, you know, because I think if anyone's willing to eat that, it's maybe high schoolers. Oh, yeah. And me. Thank you. Yeah, please include me in And yes, I apologize for saying that I'm haunted by the Oreos that I didn't even smell. You're allowed to be haunted by them. Because I am. You know what was happening in this room. I think every listener is probably haunted by them as well, and they weren't in the room as well.

So I just want you to know that that is how evocative. You know, we've been doing this show for 15 years, and that was the first time that I felt nauseous. Also the first time that I wished we really had Smelovision. And I often don't usually. I don't, I'm not out here looking for sniffs, you know, I think that most things, when I hear of Smelovision, I do think more of like the John Waters use of a Smelovision where it's like, and then you smell the dog shit and stuff like that. And I know that probably not all Smellow Vision is used for evil, but I do kind of assume that it should be. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've, we've got to keep our options open. We've got to keep our options. All right, MJ, I'm just not even saying it up top because I, it was spoiled.

So last week was the Dancing with the Stars finale and I couldn't watch it on the day because it was, it was like two days before Thanksgiving. It was the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. I really wanted to be like, guys, don't you understand people have stuff going on today? I had so much to do. And then I had so much prep. It's like, that's one of my busiest weeks. Yeah. I think it is the busiest week of my year.

So I didn't actually, and I was like, I'm not going to look at anything. It's not going to get spoiled for me. I think within three and a half minutes, my phone was just like, I will kill the world. Same. It's very, you can't, you should not follow, listener, I'm talking to you. Don't follow People magazine for many reasons, one of which is that it'll be like, I say one out of five of their posts is celebrity news. Four out of five are just like some random horrific tragedy.

Oh, yeah, no, it's all sad. It's just like, here's a story about a child who just died. And I'm like, why is this? I follow you for the breakups, you know, the celebrity. I mean, I say that, but I also do kind of follow people for that because they do have a pretty good, like, true crime where you're like, why are they talking about baby guillotines? Oh, my God. That's crazy. I didn't know they make them that small.

Yes. It is, it is the plague of following. But then every so often, you're like, oh, Millie Bobby Brown's not mad at David Hart. And that's why I keep it around, you know, but, but during all the real housewives, I mean, especially if you're going on like a page, I mean, that's more page six territory is the house fund. That's all Bravo. It's all owned by Bravo. Page six is, yeah, but that page six is just, is just housewives and Kardashians.

And then people, for the last two months, people's algorithm, people's Instagram posts have been, I'm going to say posting up to 15 dancing with the stars posts a day. Oh, yeah. And so Gideon was like, how did it get spoiled for you so quickly? And I was like, I once again must remind you that your algorithm used to be only snakes. Now it's snakes and neurodiversity content. And so mine used to be neurodiversity content and parenting content. And now it's new diversity content, parenting content, a little bit of snakes.

You're talking about those snakes in front of the phone. You get a little sprinkle of snake in there. Come on. And dancing with the stars content. And, you know, I think we can all agree. that Dancing with the Stars has been a boon for not only these, our lives, and a celebrity, you know, rags like people. And also just regular old content creators who have made, thank you to everybody who sends me all the Dancing With Stars content. It's been a, it's, we have feasted these past few months. It has been a time of

abundance, you know, there's, there's explainers about all the different sucking and fucking that's going on. especially oh my god mj so i didn't get to watch the finale until last night so i finally got to sit and swallow it all up and then it immediately went into the holiday with the stars did you watch any of that i didn't realize it's a year-long project i was like what are we going to do when it ends oh it never ends oh it never ends and they i know that we have talked about all of the salacious ins and outs of the dancers but the holiday special is all of the professional dancers. I will say, I may have been a little too doink out while I was watching it because I laughed. There is this, I know it wasn't supposed to be creepy, but they were, I don't know if it was Val and his wife.

It was one of them that also has a wife that's in it, and I don't remember which one it is. They all have wives that are in it. They're all either siblings or wives. And they were like, for the first time ever, introduced. And so they danced, I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus, but they shoved their toddler onto a chair to like watch them. And they just kept cutting back to the toddler. And as they're doing this like sexy, like ah. And it was like a sexier version of I saw mommy kissing Santa Claus.

And I was like, why is this happening right now? And I, you know me, my problem was that there were far too many children performers. in the holiday dancing with this. So I had, I shut it off. I think 15 minutes, I was like, I can't do this. I can't, well, I can't do this. I was thinking, as I was watching Dancing with the Stars finale, I was like, you know, I'm such a dance nerd that I remember dances.

And I guess this is, you know, it's like you remember performances. And there's like certain dances over the years. And this is what it's another lovely thing about Dancing with the Stars. People send me their favorite dances now and it's wonderful. And I was going to send you one of my favorite dances. from So You Think We Can Dance, but the really weird thing about So You Think You Can Dance Kids Version was that they partnered kids with professional adults. And in retrospect, I think that is weird.

Oh, is this why you didn't bring this up when you were, you didn't want to hear the sounds that I would make as you explained the show to me. Yeah, I was thinking about it a lot last night. I was like, do I, should we have done that? You know, it was like a nice little mentorship thing. No, I know. And I know that it's not all creepy. I know it's not.

It's just my favorite part about what I realize, and I know shock. Jackie likes the horny dances. And those are my favorite. So it's like, I don't want to see a six-year-old doing a quick step. I don't want to see it. And I definitely don't want to see him trying a goddamn salsa or a tango. I don't want to see their little hips. They don't have the hips to shake around.

That's right. Yeah, I think that I think what I've learned in this season is that I, most unexpected for me, I've said it before. I'm just going to say it again, I love contemporary day. I love like a narrative contemporary dance. Oh, my God. So what did you think of all of the final dances? Dylan Ephron, man. I had not really, it had not crystallized for me that one of the things, and I did text

you this late last night, about 11 p.m. last night, that one of the things that's so pleasant about watching dancing with the stars. And perhaps the reason you and I have leaned in so much is because I cannot speak for the professional dancers, but it is populated by non-toxic men, specifically Dylan Ephron and Robert Irwin. They are like, they are just like, and I'm going to put Andy Richter in there. Please put Andy Richter in there. Like, like, you know what, put Alfonso in there, but I will say, Alfonso Rivera seems nice. Sorry, not to just sidebar you real fast. The moment when Alfonso was talking to his family and they asked his partner

like, oh, what are you guys going to do for the holidays? And they're going to like Finland to see the real Santa Claus. And then they went over to like Alfonso's. I'm going to assume the boys are probably like 10. And they both were just like

roast in their father. I forgot that it was like oh they asked like, how do you think your father danced like out of 10? They're like out of 10? Five? You know, it's like, just like, and Alfonso was like, okay, all right. Wow. And it's just like, you could see Alfonso's eyes, just be like, I'm going to fucking, why can you just behave for a second?

Yeah, no, I do continue to, um, every, the experience of watching Dancing with the Stars is just wondering, is Alfonso Ribeiro, like, in debt to them? Like, is he free to leave? He was given a gift. seemed like he wants to be there and when they were like when he was like oh the tour is just did you see the part where they were like the tour has been extended and he looked like he wanted to die he's like oh it's been at eight more shows added to the tour and you just see the look eye he's like yeah the light goes out of his eyes eight more dates out of the door I think the light has gone out of alfonso's eyes but but Dylan Ephron I this man what a guy

And Robert Irwin, like, and Dylan Efron, he's like, you know, I'm Zach Efron's brother. I never wanted to be in the spotlight. And he didn't say this, but he all but said, like, I've never been worthy. You know, he was like, I didn't think anybody wanted to see what I had to offer. And then, like, now I'm, like, learning that I do have something to offer. And I was just like, buddy, buddy, you have so much to offer. You're such a nice guy. And the same thing with Robert Irwin.

I'm just like, wow, how nice. We've been talking a lot about the male load and the sub-ademic lately. We've been talking a lot about how all the men are going to the mannosphere and doing the bad things. And then here we have just two delightful young men. I would trust them with anyone, you know, and isn't that a relief. But not the professional dancers, though. I think the professional dancers is a no. Yeah.

I think that the, I think that toxicity, some of them might be. Some of them. I don't know. I don't know. My judgment, the not the dancing takes out my judgment, Jackie. I love it all so much that I can't be critical. And that's why I appreciate everybody sending me the memes about like, oh, the Chernowski brothers are, they're smart, but they're mean or whatever. You know, I need to learn.

But anyway, I will be learning because I am once again reminding you that I'm going to Dancing with the Stars Live in New York City. I'm so, so envious. But also, are you going to be watching Traders Season 3 because Mark Ballas, Whitney's partner is going to be on it? and it starts, I believe, January 8th. So, like, we're going right into traders. Oh, we don't have to get you watching traders. We're going to have to watch some traders. I tried last year, and I told you, I was like, I don't like this kind of reality show.

I don't want a, like, physical challenge. But I will try again. I will try again. I'll try to open my heart. I'm going to be real with you. It is the kind of show. You can fast forward through the physical challenges. The problem is, then you have someone like a Tom Sandoval that, like, does the challenges

so stupidly that it makes it very funny. So that it, just because they are so bad, because I'm not usually like, I don't know why literally the only show I can think of is guts, but you know, like an American gladiator. Guards, I guess that's how I felt when I was a kid that I was like,

I can't even do guts. I'm fat, I can't do guts what are you talking about? Oh, I always wanted. You want me to climb that fucking what? You want me to do what? If you would ask me when I was like seven, I would have told you that surely one day I would be on guts.

I was like, these are real kids. Anybody can be on guts, but it didn't happen. I was terrified of ever being even thought of being broached for guts. And I guess I should feel that way about my eventual being on Dancing with the Stars. Yeah, I'm manifesting it. All right. And no, I don't know if I can handle it. But I, we got to manifest something.

We got to shoot for the Stars. I also want to be a- Shoot for the Dancing with the Stars. Shoot for the Dancing with the Stars. I also want to be at Dancing with the Stars. And I just watch it and I just think about how weak my core. is and how before I go on it, I'm really going to have to strengthen my core. Oh, yeah.

Oh, no. We'd have to do a lot of work, but wait until we go head to head. It's just going to be just like Whitney and Jen. Oh, my God, are you going to be the Whitney and I'm going to be the Jenny? No, obviously you're the Whitney. I think you're going to be the Whitney. I'm not the Whitney. I feel like you're going to come out and it's like

you love dance so much that I feel like if you were given the opportunity that like even the way Natalie said it yesterday with page 7 And it's like, all you have to do is learn choreography, which sounds very, very difficult. Very difficult. For me, it sounds like it would be, I mean, I didn't even get in nonsense in high school because I couldn't do the flatball change, okay?

So I don't think I'm going to do great on Dancing with the Stars. I can do a flatball change. I did do enough, like, you know, I think many of us had the experience of going to, like, a toxic dance studio for girls in the 90s. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. And they're just like, too fat, fat ballerina. What is she the fact ballerina from Fantasia? We've got a hippo valetian, Baterina, ain't it?

I don't know why they were all British, but I was scared of all. Yeah, yeah. I think we all learned to hate ourselves at those dance studios. Oh, we certainly did. It is the kind of way where it's like, I remember taking piano, like my mom tried to get us to learn piano. And in the beginning, I was so young. It's like an early memory of the teacher being like,

you don't have the hands for it. And I was just like, okay. And it's like, how do you learn how to play? It's like, why do you think I don't know how to play piano? Because I was immediately told out the game, you're never going to do it. It's never going to be good. And I wasn't got one of those kids that I'm like, I'm going to rise above. I'm definitely going to do it.

No, I was just beaten down and anxious and just like, oh, I guess if I can do it, I guess I'm never going to do it. Immediately. But, you know, speaking of a child. Keep them humble. Speaking of a child who was beaten down repeatedly and did not let it stop them, Jojo Siwa. Wow. I want to talk about Jojo Siwa dancing through an ovarian burst ovarian cyst because I was hospitalized for a very specific, very rare ovarian thing after I did IVF. And I know the pain of something going haywire with your ovaries.

And it was the, it was, I want to say, worse than when I got preeclampsia. It was awful. The pain was awful. And the fact that Jojo Siwa was like, still performed. I guess I have to perform. And also the framing here is like, literally the BuzzFeed article is like, luckily, it didn't stop her from performing. And I'm like, that's not lucky.

That is not what we should take from this. Also, can we please think for a moment that. kind of pressure that she was in so much pain and she's just putting on the makeup and getting out there. She's doing a get ready with me while her ovaries are bleeding into her abdomen. And she, and then she, an hour after the performance was hospitalized. And that's, and that what makes me feel so bad for her is that there was no one there that was, I know that she's 21 at this point, but there was no one there to champion her to be like,

Hey, who gives a fuck about this performance? She's in this much pain. She's not performing. She's going to the hospital right now. It's the opposite. There was nobody to do that. You know what her parents did? Her parents said, okay, well, we'll take you to the hospital after you do the performance.

After you do the performance. Absolutely. That is. So all the shit, I know that, like, yes, she's, but can we just think for a moment that, like, how lost and backwards she must feel. That, like, she probably doesn't even think that. she probably is only upset with herself because she got hospitalized in the first place. Exactly. That was like, I was like, this is truly, this is like this horrible mix of like what happens when you're like a child star whose entire self-worth has been completely like linked to your output since you were, you know, young enough to form memories mixed with. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know, a hustle culture or like capitalism, whatever has happening here that even the framing of.

of this article is like her, she was bleeding into her abdomen. Her parents said, okay, well, too bad we have a performance scheduled. And then luckily she was able to perform at the Mall of America, which I think the Mall of America will be fine. Everybody else, go to the amusement park, you guys. It's great. BuzzFeed, I'd love to find out more about the writing of this and how you got the information because they say that once at the hospital, so they had gone to the hospital before her

performance, she had already been in the hospital. and she was in her mom had to help her dress because she could barely move she was in so much pain once at the hospital her dad explained that on her behalf they were willing to follow the doctor's orders but they had a performance already scheduled and so number one she's 21 fucking years old why is on her behalf is it because she's in so much pain that she can't go and speak for herself or are you just choosing to do that, which also, she's a full adult. I mean, but she already has that performance schedule. She already has performance schedule at the Mall of America.

And listen, I love the Mall of America. Jackie and I love the Mall of America. We loved it. We loved the Roller Coasters. We had a fucking blast. We went to the whole story that's just Minnesota themed things. Oh, and we had, and we bought so many things in it. We love that place.

And yes, I've gone full circle because I also went to college in the Twin Cities and I had to hate the Mall of America at the time because I was a young leftist. And so I was like, fuck that place. And then when we went there to perform in our 30s, I was like, Jackie, we have to go romp around the Mall of America. But I went to the hospital. When I had, it's not the same thing. So she had a ruptured ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome, which is basically when your ovaries are so destroyed from IVF that they are leaking into your abdomen. But similar.

Cool. So you had extra ovary. What you're saying is that you got so much, you got a little extra on top. Got a little extra. Wow. And I collapsed at the doctor's office. and then had to go to the hospital in an ambulance. Like the, it is so serious.

Like, and the fact that she was, I just, I'm so, like, I'm just so sad that this happened. Like, for a holiday, for a holiday performance at the Ball of America. Guys, we've got to reevaluate our priorities here. I can't, and like, even then, it's like, you know, when you see like the dollar sides, dollar sides, dollars, like, that's all her parents. Like a coyote in a cartoon, I feel like that's all they see. And it's so sad. Yeah.

Yeah. No, it's, it, I've, I've been sad about it. Um, but, yeah, I've been sad about it. But like, what are you going to do? You know, get her back on stage. That's what I say. I said, oh, not performing. Sounds like I hear you wasting money.

I'm just looking at our list of articles this week and realizing that a lot of it is about child stars. There's McCauley Colgan getting. booed for saying that diehard isn't a Christmas movie. Oh, certainly. He certainly did. And then there's the, the, the, um, full house podcast with Stephanie Tanner and Kimmy Gibler in which they spilled the tea about how one Olson twin is better than the other Olson twin at acting or whatever. And I was like, girls, don't you know that you're going to say this into your podcast? And then there's going to be a whole news cycle. Do you really want to do that to your,

to your colleagues. But, you know, apparently I think I don't even remember which one was it. One of them was a bit bitchier than the other. Yeah. So we learned that. And we do know that. But, you know, another thing that we both are going to know really soon, biblically, if you will, the Mariah Carey Holiday Bar. Yeah, Kara and I got tickets to the Mariah Carey holiday bar.

Don't you worry, MJ. You're not going to be the only one going to that holiday Mariah Carey Bar. I'm so excited to go to the Mariah Carey Bar. Holiday Bar, my friends have, like, a really important party for an organization that they founded, and I'm missing it because I already have tickets to the Mariah Carey Holiday Holiday. This is more important. And I do love on the, if you go to Mariah's holiday bar.com, there's this, it's a picture of like, oh, there are moments at the holiday bar that you can take, like, pictures with, like, a Mariah. It's like, oh, Queen of Christmas moments. Sorry, this is just a little thing.

and the picture of the queen of Christmas moments, it's two bitches in some kind of sleigh and there's just a picture of Mariah Carey behind them on a wall that you can kind of see. Propped up behind that at an angle. You can only see. It's almost like she's, like her head is in the sleigh with them, but she's not there.

This is a really good picture, you guys. I do recommend going to Mariah's holiday bar.com. Unfortunately, the location, have dwindled compared to last year. I feel like last year it was a bit more. Oh, is it not a huge? Is it because literally every review I've seen about one of them is so middling? And they say, really, save your money.

Really, it's not worth the money or the time to go to these things. And yet, we persevere. I mean, I was shocked by how cheap the tickets were in New York. 18 bucks. Oh, they're like paying us to go. Yeah. They are at a place, except that's not true, because, Because in L.A., like I said, you have to pay to get entrance and you have to pay to reserve a table if you want a table.

Oh, interesting. So maybe me and my friend will just be standing somewhere. Yeah, I think you should be standing like plebs. You wait when I spend $100 just for the opportunity to reserve a table. But if you're in Vegas, which I know many of you are, because we saw you at the Vegas show that we did. If you're in Vegas, you can go. If you're in L.A., and I know many of you are there, L.A. was one of my favorite shows of the whole tour. you can go, and you might see Kara and Jackie, and Miami, you can go, and New York, you can go. Which I don't think we even have, I don't know if we have one fan in Miami. So I'm glad that you, you were like, I don't. No, we did. We did. We performed in Tampa. But in Tampa, but that's not Miami. Yeah, yeah, it's a different. I don't think, you know. I mean, you're, Florida is on the whole. Florida on the whole, you know, it's just, it's a hard, it's a hard place to get for all us.

liberal podcasts out there. It's just not the Mecca. But, you know, I tell you what, that's why we love going to Vegas and why we love going to other places, baby. And hopefully soon, just like Dancing with the Stars, you know, I feel like once we win Dancing with the Stars together on top and then we go on Dancing with the Stars tour, that's really what I think all of us, page seven heads out there, I think this is what we should manifest.

Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah, I'm down. I was thinking like, oh, I'm, I go mirrorball. I'll send it to you. You can have it every other week. We'll just share it. I was thinking like, yeah, we can manifest like going to more like I'm really proud of myself that I'm going to two events I want to go to. Like that I'm really proud of you. That's big for me. It is big. I mean, honestly, it is big. And I love to congratulate any parent in my life that is able to do something for themselves. Like I know how difficult it is to do. And I'm proud of you, M.J. I also got tickets for the lay-miz. Like, it's like a lay-miz, like... What? Lay-Miss what? Lill-M-N-W-N-A-N-W-N? Is it a Rob?

It's like a L'A-Miz, like... You remember how on PBS in, like, 2012, I think? Do you get to be Fontaine? Like, do you get to, like, be... They dirty you up. They put you in a gutter, and they're just like, pretend what it's like, and you're just like, okay. They're just, like, throwing buckets of shit on you out of, like... Wagons.

Leibbiz, the immersive experience. Oh, my God. That would be nice. And it's like, would you steal the candlesticks? You have to. It's like you're trying to better your life. You don't want to be a criminal. What are you going to do to that priest?

No, I don't want an immersive experience. This is called Leibiz the musical phenomenon, which does sound like a scam. But basically it is, oh my God, you're going to show up. And it's just going to be one dirty, actual orphan that they, found and it's just standing in a room just being like, am I any guys a lot of cloud? Yeah, it sounds like... Is this my new baron? Are you my new parent? I don't know why it sounds like such a scam, but I think it's basically because Le Miz is a production in, it's not exactly in the round, but it has

a rotating set that takes a lot of effort. And so I think that this is basic, what PBS did in 2012, and I know you guys out there, remember what I'm talking about, because it was so good. I know what you're talking about. They just stand there and sing it, because you can get the entire, the whole play, if you don't know, Laemez, is sung. And so you can, you can, when you see it, it's on an amazing set with a rotating stage. But also, you could literally just stand there and sing it and have almost as good an experience. And I think that that's what this is. I think they're just not staging it, but they will be standing there and singing. And anyway, I got tickets to it. And see, aren't I doing,

to see La Roche die? I, just going to have to watch him live after it. I, um, yeah, I'm not going to get to see Gavroche? Gavroche. Well, yes, Gavroche. Gavroche dies and then also Javert dies, which is a great scene. Whoa, spoiler. Spoiler alert.

Wow, nobody cares about the kid, but wow. Okay. All right. I have been walking around my house mumbling to myself that I want Trump to Javert himself. So I feel like. You mean just go, oh, and pretend like he's falling off of a bridge. That is the best part of the stage production is watching the simulated jumping off of a bridge.

Jumping off of a bridge, yeah. But I think that for this, they will just be standing there, but it's going to be at Radio City. So it can't be a scam at Radio City. You know, I say this all the time. Don't say that to any person in your life that might get scammed. Treat everything like a scam. Don't trust anything.

Yes, but I'm just saying, go to events. If you see an event coming to your town, go to it. But look it up, though, but also do look up like the producers of it and make sure. it's real because sometimes I feel like I got really excited yesterday because I saw this like limited edition drop of Pigs in Space Muppet merch and I got very, very excited and I had to that I looked at the site and was like, but is it real? Are you going to spend the money and is it real? And I think it was actually from legitimately The Muppet. So I think it's real, but I'm still too scared to go. Every time I got poo craved with the Gilmore Girls Advent calendar. Yeah. I'm so scared.

And I tell you, man, my universal yums, universally yums. Okay, so you didn't get poo crazed. No, I did not get poo craved by my advent calendar this year. I am yumbing every day. Also, MJ, every day has four candies of them. Four. So you get to try one. Jeff gets to try one.

And then I get an extra two just for myself. Well, this is, I was going to say, you got to be careful what tickets you buy for what shows because you don't want to accidentally buy tickets to Kevin Spacey's lounge show in Tel Aviv. Oh, yeah, you don't want to accidentally be going to, oh, his harmonica show in Tel Aviv. Oh, I'm so glad that Kevin Spacey, you know, we were all like, oh, I hope he's okay somewhere. And then don't worry, he is. He went to Israel to start a harmonica lounge show. I wish you were a confessional, a harmonica confessional, but I don't think that we're going to be getting that.

I just need to read the Horat's headline, which, yeah, not even to get into the idea of escaping the United States to go to Tel Aviv because you've been, whatever. Just to put that to the stuff. He has to perform. An actor has to feel the lights of the stage, MJ, you know. He can't just be grabbing in the dark. He needs to be grabbing out loud. I cannot stop laughing at this Horat's headline, which is Kevin Spacey and Israel, a self-glorifying show with no mention of the accusations.

To which Jackie said, yeah, I don't think he's bringing up the accusations during the lounge show. And which I also did. Yeah, I was grabbing on that young boy. No, we didn't even see him coming. And I mean, and I mean, the headlines are truly Kevin Spacey says he chose Israel over Greece when told to cancel Tel Aviv show. I mean, there's just, there's so much. I don't even know. I don't even know where to start.

There's so much. And I like it because I feel like you're just as for clement about Alexa and Brennan from Love is Blind getting a divorce. We have to talk about this. MJ texted me yesterday because you're like, you're literally the only person that would know and or care, but I feel bad that Alexa and Brennan from Love is Blind are getting a divorce. And I immediately was like, they're getting a divorce.

I'm so upset. They were like, I follow them. They were my favorite. They were my favorite. I follow them both on Instagram. No, I don't follow her. I just follow him. I will throw it out there. Of course, why did I love them?

And if you don't remember, If you watch Love is Blind, this was on season three. Back when it was still like, I thought pretty great. Definitely back when we were still watching it. And this was the, like, the tall, like, gentleman cowboy. And then she was like the thick fucking hot bitch that just was definitely a bitch but had a bunch of money, but had like a big fun family. Yeah, big, thick, slightly terrifying family.

I remember being like. No, sure. And she's truly terrifying. Scary. But beautiful. Beautiful. And I just loved. And, yeah, and I love that.

He was just like, yeah, and I love everything about you, dog. And I was just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And specifically, if you're, like, listening and you're like, Jackie NMJ, what a weird way to talk about somebody, why are you flagging that she's curvy? Because we know that love is blind treats that as a negative surprise. As if that's bad, yes. So we're all waiting for the, like, negative reveal.

Yeah, for him to look at her and be like, oh, what? Exactly. I like the what? Exactly. And so it was a lot of fun that he was like, She's smoking hot. And that's exactly the kind of woman. Yeah, I'm looking for her.

Exactly. Yeah, it is. Because she is spoken hot. What, to terrify her not, smoking hot. And they, they... Honestly, I think that makes her more hot. Unfortunately, with the kind of women I'm attracted to, I, I was like, oh, you want to be mean to me? Oh, I'm scared of you.

Yeah, okay. Yeah. Tell me more. Tell me, I'll be subby. Subby, subby, subby for you, baby. Yeah, yeah. She's a bit of a kind of the mean, you know, boss me around mommy. and so oh my in trouble but yeah they got married and they've been married for four years and

they had a baby and then out of nowhere they announced on instagram that they're getting out of nowhere though i'm j is it out of nowhere well you know you even said that first year it's like they just like she just had a baby not that long ago i know the baby's one i i can't imagine it's i i hear tell that first year is a bit of a doozy it is it is and i and i said but all of his videos are him having fun with the baby and is he having fun with her is he having fun and that's exactly what you

text to me. Perhaps he's paying his wife perhaps he's paying too much attention to the baby and not enough attention to his wife so I am sad about it and this is this is not bode well for the love is blind longevity I mean I guess 50% of all marriages end in a divorce so I think

we are at a much higher percentage I think so isn't it? Is it really 50? I don't know let me look I feel like that's what you always hear how many marriages. Is that like Mrs. Doubtfire 90s statistics or is that like still up there? It looks like the American Psychological Association estimates that approximately 40 to 50 percent of first marriages and in divorce. Still going strong, that statistic.

Good for us. Hell yeah. This data is out there and it can be found, but I just can't conjure it right now what the rate is for love is blind because I can think of only. one now that is still married. So maybe what's, I think we're at like a 90% divorce rate for Love is Blind. Lauren and Cameron from the first season, still married. Still going strong. I believe in them.

But I thought Brendan and Alexa were happy. So what do I know? We don't know. And we're never going to know because we don't follow them after the show. We don't know how it goes. But I'm pretty sure everyone else who's gotten married from that show is divorced. Correct me if I'm wrong. Who else is married?

You know, I think, you know, something tells me maybe it's not the best way to get together. I've heard. But I know that we didn't even talk about this beforehand. I didn't even send you this article, but it's because I forgot to. I, God, I'd love to get more information from Adam's brain. I wish I could suck it out of his brain from across the room. Because Quentin Tarantino came out. Oh, he's always rolling his eyes.

Oh, Adam's doing the... Quentin Tarantino came out and made some vile comments about Paul Dano. And I love Paul Dano. I think Paul Dano is an amazing actor. And Paul Dano is in the movie, not true blood. Oh my God. No blood for men. Blood, blood in the men.

There's blood in the men. There will be blood. There will be blood. Although Paul Dano and true blood also would have been choice, and I would have watched the fuck out of it. I think you were confusing. I think no country for old men with their only blood, which came on at around the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think blood and the men is the new name for both of those movies.

There is blood and the men. That's blood of the men. And that he said that Quinn Tarantino essentially was, he was talking, he was saying such horrible things about Paul Dano specifically because they worked together. He said there, he was asked what is his favorite of his movies. And he said, there will be blood, would stand a good chance. at being number one or two. If you didn't have a big, giant flaw in it,

and the flaw is Paul Dano. Jesus Christ, Quentin Tarantino. Obviously, it's supposed to be a two-hander, but it's also drastically obvious that it's not a two-hander. Paul is weak sauce man. He's the weak sister. Holy shit.

And then he goes on suggesting that Austin Butler, who would have been 16 while this had, like when the movie came out, he said Austin Butler would have been a better choice. Quentin called Paul Dano such a weak, weak, uninteresting guy and branded him the weakest fucking actor in SAG. Jesus Christ, Quentin Tarantino, keep it to yourself.

This is an inside thought. I... Good Lord. So apparently, I guess he was supposed to play another role in the movie and then ended up playing something else. And because somebody like Kel O'Neill was fired from the movie a few weeks into the production, so the brothers were rewritten. I, this happened, like, Quentin, this, I think this episode came out like yesterday.

This was on a podcast episode that he was talking about this. Now, I get, I'm trying to like garner from Adam's face. I know that Quentin Tarantino is wrong in saying this, right? Oh, yeah, he's completely wrong. And this, this whole top 20 thing that he released is just ridiculous. What is, so, do you know of any reason of why in particular he feels this way about Paul Dano? No, he's a moron. I mean, I think Tarantino has just always been a moron, and it's just more evident that he's older, and he has, like, a bug up his butt about not, you know, not making more than 10 movies.

So now he just is continually on podcasts and not making movies. And now, you know, I mean, everybody knew that he was annoying, but now we really know he's annoying. And he has terrible takes on everything. And the fact that he makes something good is like a shot, should be a shock every fucking time. Wow. And is it because he is just so difficult and annoying to work with? I think it's just really simple in the sense that he is a child and he ultimately likes what's cool. That's literally, like, that's all of his decisions for characters and stuff like that.

Like, I'm a big fan of Jackie Brown. I feel like that was, Jackie Brown is where he could have gone down another path. And then he continued down, which, you know, I started disliking him with Kill Bill and Inglorious Bastards. All that kind of turned me off. I thought the violence is like really mean-spirited and messed up. Just so torqued up that it was unnecessary. Which, I mean, I love to see Nazis get murdered. I mean, yeah.

But, yeah, it is fun. You do, I do remember watching that end with my father just being like, yes, kill them all. You know, I do remember that. I'm a sad, sensitive boy. I thought Robert Forrester's character in Jackie Brown was like the best thing that he had ever done. It was really sensitive and small. And it was this romantic relationship between. two great actors

Pam Greer and Robert Forrester Oh yeah You know older And it just really It really hit in such a nice way And he never came back to that kind of thing He went running and screaming He's just got such a fucking ego

I also think he hates Jackie Brown Because it's one of the few that he didn't Like he wrote the script But it's based on someone else's book Oh He hates on Paul Thomas So it's like I know maybe Paul Thomas Anderson

Pulled ahead and changed And I think that's why he's so mad at Paul Thomas Anderson to this day of like he viewed him as like appear slash he was the bigger brother and now Paul Thomas Anderson is like making his most different interesting shit yet and actually trying other things and doing and and listening to it also feels like Quentin Tarantino is one of those people that his ideas his idea and that's it and it's not like you know I feel like in the world of creativity you learn how to kill your darlings pretty early or you you should if you're working with other people,

but then you really start to learn the people that were never really taught how to collaboratively work because they just like, they're like, but no, that's just what I want. And it's so crazy to me that someone can become a Quentin Tarantino and still be like that at some point, you know? And actually, because I feel like there is so much delegation and there is so much collaboration in so much what we do.

But then if you think about it, that's probably why he hasn't worked on so many things. and only done a certain amount because that's what he could have complete control over. Well, and you can't criticize somebody for acting when you put yourself in. His part in, oh my God,

what's the Django Unchained where he plays like the Australian guy that is one of the worst director performances ever. Shut up. He also talked about like, which whatever you feel about Woody Allen, he talked about loving midnight in Paris

but then he spends like a paragraph talking about how much he hates Owen Wilson. And he's like, Owen Wilson's in every scene. So then how do you hate that? You love it then? What do you heard? Yes.

I don't know. He's an idiot. Honestly, I saw, you know, I saw like, I always pay attention to his programming for New Beverly. And I can't bring myself to see much there because I think, I don't think he has great taste. I think he's an annoying video guy who, like, he's got that natural instinct that knows how to put together a scene in a really cool striking way. Yeah.

But he has no human beating heart. There's no, there's no humanity there. Even crazy that, I mean, down to the fact that Uma Thurman told Maya Hawke her daughter not that long ago. And both of them have worked with them of like, you can work with them. Just don't show your feet. I'm like, and just saying that to her daughter. I don't know if we talked about it, but like she told her daughter to just keep your feet away and just get through it. Well, he also put her in that incredibly dangerous stunt driving thing for Kill Bill.

And that still pisses me off to this day because I think the number one thing, like, do not get someone hurt. on set for a movie. No. That is the dumbest thing. Bringing someone that's like bringing the sun people that are trained to do these things. Like there's a reason why people are trained to do that stuff. And bullying an actor like that and to be like, just do it. It's fine.

You can do it. What do you whimp? Ridiculous. That's the craziest thing. I can't imagine. People end up paralyzed for life or dead when they do things like that with stones. That they don't know how what they're doing. I don't know.

Sorry. I can really pop up. I do not like Territino. I'm sorry. This is why I needed you. Thank you. I was like, you know way. him. I know that he's a creepy. I know, and not even like, and I know that he's uncomfortable to work with. I know that he's a pressure kind of person, like, that puts a lot of pressure on other people. All of those reasons I knew that I already was like, I'm not a huge fan of Tarantino, the person. So that's why I'm glad because I forgot to ask you your opinion on this before we started because I was so, I love Paul Dano, though. I also think that Paul Dano is such a force. I do feel like he's up there with like, um,

um kirsten dunce husband jesse plements yes i feel like he's up there with like a jesse plemmins of like that the you know that the character actors of our time period that still look interesting yeah well also like if you don't understand the function that he serves and there will be blood you're just fundamentally misunderstanding the movie it's not supposed to be a two-hander of a cool guy getting him it's supposed to be that this little worm is causing so many problems for him and it makes him furious because he's getting tested by someone that he clearly underestimates and think is just a worm, but he still kind of gets to him. It makes him so angry, he becomes a cobbler. That's what I mean. He's just like, I don't know what to do with all his blood inside all these boys. And now I got to go fix shoes.

Sorry, my film, my text, my text, like group chats with all my film buddies were popping off the last couple days and everybody was hating on him. So I'm full up on it. Full up. You got to get it out. I love this. It's so funny, the difference between the, you know, the boys group chat and my, and like our theme gals chat, which is just us talking about our mental health and trying to get through the day. You know, you guys are talking about what really matters. And that is Quentin Tarantino being a fuck. I did want to spotlight that he says, I don't care for Owen Wilson.

I don't care for Matthew Lillard. And, you know, if you didn't need any. Calm down, bro. Okay. I think Matthew Lillard's doing fine without you, bro. It's fine. Read what he said about Lost in Translation when you got a second, too.

That's like, it's got this weird sexual thing. He's just a creep. Well, Holden was always, anytime anything, you know, Holden has his thing with feet, which is that he doesn't like him. So he's the anti-Tarantino. But any time, so Holden always notices, because Holden doesn't like feet,

he always notices when there's something with a lot of feet. And Holden's go-to saying, is what is this? Is a Quentin Tarantino film? Anytime he's like noticing feet in any production. And so I know that Holden doesn't like Quentin Tarantino for that reason.

So I enjoy hearing Adam's film guy perspective on not liking Quentin Tarantino. I've also been thinking a lot about Uma Thurman lately because I've been thinking a lot about Maya Hawke lately. And they are twins. Oh my gosh. They're so cute together, though. I love them. I love her. Well, it's because you've been watching Stranger.

I've been watching Stranger Things. Yes. Oh, she's not only is she still on Stranger Things. I think she's great on Stranger Things. I feel like I've really, I am surprised to be enjoying Stranger Things as much as I am. You will hear me a couple of episodes ago being like, why isn't this show over? I don't want to watch it. And I am watching it and I am enjoying it.

But I feel like she is, I mean, a lot of, let's just say a lot of people online are identifying with Maya Hawks character because she is a little bit like neurodiverse coded and like more so in this season. And she's just lovely. And so, yes, I have been thinking about Maya Hux, my ultimate Nepo baby. Why are you making that face, Jackie? I'm sorry. I was reading the quote of Quentin Tarantino talking about Lost in Translation. I fell so much in love with Lost in Translation that I fell in love with Sophia Coppola and made her my girlfriend. I courted and wooed her and I did it all in public.

It was like it was out of a Jane Austen novel. I didn't know her well enough to get together on my own, but I kept going to events. I spoke to Pedro Al Movedar about this, and we both agreed it was such a girly movie in such a delicious way. I hadn't seen such a girly movie in a very long time, and I hadn't seen such a girly movie like that be so well done. Sorry, that's why I apologize to take you immediately out of your stranger things conversation. I just, the way in which that's such a pathetic way and such a wormy, creepy way, like, oh, yeah, so I would just go. It kind of makes me think of on who's the bitch, that person that wrote in that was like,

like this guy, like, she was like, I think he's thinking that this is really romantic, but it's actually not because he was trying to find her in their small town by going from like apartment to apartment looking for her outdoor furniture to see where she, You what? Not romantic. Not romantic. That's not. It's not. And that is a creepy thing to say, Quentin Tarantino. That is a creepy thing to say. It is a, it is. That is a woman you don't know. And that is a creepy thing to say. Yes. And we all know it's different than us like a me thurston for like a Joe Mangonello. It's like this is you know it's different. He's going to the events with her. You know, it's like that's a different level of like, oh, God, leave her. Like I would never like sit outside of Joe Mangonello's house. You know what I mean? be like, oh, there's a werewolf inside of there, you know? Who's got the time? Related to that, who's the bitch story? I just wanted to shout out that I went to a event that was a screening of Say Anything with John Kusak.

Yes, yes. And I was reflecting a lot about discourse around 80s movies and how there was this, like, moment, I think, in the Me Too, early Me Too, when we all realized that Revenge and the Nerds has, like, what is essentially a rape scene. scene, not essentially is a rape scene in it. And there was this like whole thing where everyone was like, oh my God, was this like, and then, you know, there was a kind of like, everyone was like, oh, my God, there was like a bunch of rape culture and like mainstream, you know, mainstream culture from now until the beginning of time or whatever.

Yes. And so, and I, and so I would sometimes reflect back and we were talking recently about 90s movies with Adam's family values and like, oh, actually, not all 90s movies need to be thrown out with the trash, the way that some have a fundamentally irredeable premise like Ace Venture, a pet detective, but Adam's family values, extremely well done. Like, you know, the way they do the Thanksgiving scene is so, so good, right? And so I was going in to say anything being like, I think that John Cusack with the boombox has become, or Lloyd Dobler with the boombox, has become a bit of a symbol for like, like, it's a shorthand now of like, oh, what, you're doing

too much. Like, it seems like a grand romantic gesture, but actually. you need to leave her alone. And then I watched the movie and I was like, no, Lloyd Dobler has done no wrong. Lloyd Dobler did that there is nothing about say anything that doesn't age well. There is nothing about that movie. Including the tax fraud sidebars. So I just want to say that as we like, I feel like.

Although I do miss that. The 80s and the 90s really had a really great way of putting in really upsetting side conversations. Although, I mean, the material. not that long ago tried to do it in a way that they just shouldn't do it anymore. It's wild that movie is also about the dad is getting indicted for tax fraud. Yeah, but it actually is good. It's well done. It's well done.

And so then after we watched the movie, enjoyed the hell out of it. And, you know, Gideon has always loved that movie. And I, like, I just feel bad because I feel like maybe even on the show, I've been like, oh, Lloyd Dobler, like, you know, toxic masculinity. And I was wrong. He's not toxic. He's a good man. It's just because we made all the jokes about all the coffee animals.

I think that's the thing, John Cusick, with the coffee enums. I'm sorry, John Cuset. He was a lovely guy. We had to talk back afterwards. He's a great guy. He's a great celebrity. He needs to funnel the shit out of his asshole with caffeine. I'm sorry.

He's a fiend. I'm sorry, John Cusack that we went to 25 cities on tour and talked about how you use coffee enemas because I don't think it's true. And in fact, you're such a political outspoken guy. We had actual people that had seen it. They saw the shit in the shower. If you are the one who wrote that in and used to listen, you know, I don't know. I need to check it.

I'm having a crisis over here because I really re-fell in love with say anything. I was just thinking about how, yeah, basically I think that there is, you know, there is sometimes a cultural correction and that sometimes there's maybe a cultural overcorrection. And he was like, and he said he was like the symbol of Lloyd Dobler was. the boombox has been completely misunderstood as, like, me harassing her. And he's like, I'm not harassing her. I'm devastated. But, like, but, you know, Lloyd Dobler is like heartbroken, but also he's like not going to grovel. So he's like, so he's like, I chose to do it angry.

He's like, if you look at me, I'm like, I'm holding the booblox. And I'm so angry because I know she does want to talk to me, but she can't because her father won't let her. And so I'm mad. I'm mad at the father. It's not about me like, like, looking for her. porch furniture, like that who's the bitch story. So, anyway, I just want to say, I love you, John Cusack.

You're right. I love you. And you know who John Cusack loves? Joan Cusack. He was like, I love. He was like, I love him even more. It was so sweet. He was like, Debbie.

Did you bring up Debbie? Did you ask him about Demi? I did not bring up Debbie. But he was like, you know what's really fun about being in a scene with my sister is that she will steal the scene every time. So you never have to worry about your own performance. sweet to say it was so sweet he was like Joan Cusack steals every scene she's ever in I mean she's perfect I'm obsessed with Joan Cusack I mean I I'm her and Catherine O'Hara I I want to be them I'd like I'd like to be wives to them I'd like to be their mothers and it's there's you know it's quite a spectrum yeah yeah and he was somebody somebody in the audience um asked also don't ever do a Q&A if you're John Cusack because um people really love you and ever

question is just a statement about the question asker every single question but somebody did say have you ever felt competitive with your sister and he was like why would i be we're not going for the same parts and she's like a flawless actor and i love to act with her yeah thank you wonderful that's great although i will throw it out there i recently did a con with jeff um it was a twilight themed con and carlyle was there and i didn't get to talk to carlyle but i talked to these women that had just met him and I was like, how did it go? Did you guys talk about Twilight? But three of the girls had never even seen Twilight knew nothing about it. They were just like there to support their friend. And she was like, honestly, we talked to him not about Twilight and he just

exploded. Like he was so excited to talk about something that wasn't Twilight just for a couple of minutes. So I just want to throw it out there. If you are waiting in line to go see someone that has done something awesome, like let's say you're going to see a Tim Curry, you know? We were talking about this in reading the memoir of Tim Curry, maybe you bring up like a movie like Oscar instead of bringing up Rocky Horror Picture Show, you know? Bring up something that gives them something else a little bit else to talk about because then they're excited to talk to you and it's not just the same wrote thing over and over again. That did, yeah, that did have people brought up some of like John Cusack's like more obscure movies and he was psyched about it.

But really every question. And then you get excited. Yeah. Every question was just somebody being like, you mean so much to me and that's very nice but you know he was just like uh-huh you know and i was like okay this is this is more of a comment than a question it's a comment than a question but you know but that's why i'm just saying just to like if you want to see the excitement in their eyes yeah bring him something they don't expect bring up kiss of the basilisk you know bring up wanting to have sex with a serpent king and maybe that will fill them with delight i want to throw this out there because I feel like while you were talking about the idea of what you've said about Lloyd Dobler in the past, I started thinking again about, now, I used to, especially on

this show, openly, abjectly dislike, and I refuse to ever watch an episode of the show girls. Yes. Now, I have friends, I have many friends that actually really enjoyed the show. And we have reasons for that. And we had reason. We were living in Greenpoint. They were shooting in Greenpoint.

And it was annoying all the fucking time. That if you were a female comedian, everybody wanted to ask you your opinion on girls. On girls. And so I was like, I don't want to have an opinion on girls. I'm not going to see it because I don't want to have an opinion. I don't. It was like everybody, it was like you were obligated to speak about girls.

And it was enraging. That was back in the day, too, which was not that long ago, that like if you were welcome to the stage, like if I was welcome to the stage, be like female comedian, Jackie Zabrowski, like they have to make sure everybody knows it's a woman that's coming on the stage. This next comedian coming to the stage is pretty funny,

even though they're a woman. Even though they're a woman, yep. Yes, no, it was a dark ages. I have a lot of feelings about the show girls. However, I really enjoy Rachel Sennett and Rachel Sennett started doing a show that she is writing and direct, I believe also writing direct and I believe a head producer of

it is a show called I Love L.A. it is on HBO so I do think that they are going for and again I've not seen girls so I can't really compare the two but it seems like what girls was for Greenpoint in the heyday of hipsterdom it is now about influencers in L.A. being young and trying to work through it and it's all like of course lots of like L.A. inside things and stuff like that it's very well written it's genuinely very funny. The characters are really great. If you're looking for a show that is a half hour easier, like not as debil, if it's nothing about the holidays, I just was looking for something that was just a kind of a light show. And I watched the first two episodes and Jeff came

downstairs while I was watching the second episode because I figured he did not want to watch us at all. Watch the second half of the second episode and was like, what is this? Explained it to him. And then we watched the, I think only five episodes are out so far. then we got caught up together. And he's like, this is genuinely a very good show. And I really like Rachel Sennett a lot. And she did great with the movie Bottoms. And I really am enjoying this.

Right. Okay. Like, kind of mean girl, like dry, but also genuinely, she's so funny. She's so dryly funny. And she was the one that worked with Iota Berry with Bottoms. And I, which also, I think. Because she's a writer and an actor?

Correct. She's also the lead in it. Okay, got. And she's just making, man, she's just 30 and she's making cool shit. And I just want to support what Rachel Sennett is doing and what she's making. So she wasn't involved in girls, but I love L.A. is like the girls of L.A. Is that right? Correct.

That's what I, that's essentially what I feel like I'm getting from it. Got it. It's very like, there's lots of like L.A. Nuggets where it's like at one point one of the girls is wearing like the wee spa, like kind of like, you know the spas that. out in Queens and stuff like that that you go that you can like pay $30 and be at the spa all day and they give you like an outfit to wear she obviously

it's out here it's called Wii spa and in one of the episodes one of the girls is just wearing one of the shirts which means she stole the shirt from a wee spot like those little kind of nuggets of things that like it makes me feel more like an Angelino too which I'm like yeah you're so right

right oh traffic but it's not even about that it's about like influencers and stuff like that, which again, maybe this is not your bag whatsoever, but I wouldn't have expected Jeff to enjoy it. And you really did. That's fun. I, and there is part of me that, like, because I don't, I could watch girls now. There's part of me the kind of wishes I had watched it then and just chosen to not have an opinion on it. You know, sometimes I just, I just want to be free. I know. I don't want to have to make a judgment on something. I just want to be open to, like, I don't, I no longer feel that I need to like go into

something and then like have a take on it. I just want to figure out what other people think and I want to take some time and reflect and stuff and like there's not a lot of space for that in the way that you know. In the cycle. Yeah, exactly. And so at the time I felt like it would have been literally impossible to watch girls without formulating a take on it. And I just didn't want to. At the time, both identifying as women in our 20s in Brooklyn. So it's like it really was, it was annoying. It was kind of and they're like, is that. your life. It's like, no, it's not my fucking life. We're not rich. You think we live like that? You think, oh, we don't worry about how to pay our bit. Like, no, we're, we don't, we can't just effortlessly

get an apartment in Greenpoint. It's like, no, I had a slave for this. What we're talking about? Like, I had nothing. And it was one of those where I was like, I didn't want people to hate it because a lot of the hate felt kind of like misogynistic, but then also I didn't want to like it because I didn't think I liked it, you know? And obviously there's total room to just be like, I don't like this, but we don't need to hate it because a woman made it. Maybe we need to go back. Maybe we to circle back. Yeah, I don't know. Maybe we, yeah, maybe we have to circle back now that I'm trying to free myself from having to have opinions about everything. I know I'm going to be a skating on back. And can I just say thank you to everybody? Now, I'm saying thank you,

haven't even watched it yet. But I read the little summary of the show that I have had quite a few people telling me to watch. And I only read this little snippet on it and there's only two episodes out so far. And let me just say, MJ, I don't know how you feel about the world. I don't know if you know that in the world of smut, there's a whole section of smut. You know, I live primarily in the monster smut realm. Uh-huh. There's also the whole smut realm of sports smut. Okay. Now, I haven't delved too far into the world of sports smut. Not really my thing. However, when I went to the ripped bodice, also, again, we're all shopping small, y'all. Check out the ripped bodice. The ripped bodice is in L.A. and in New York, but I believe you can also get stuff from them online.

It is a, it's female-owned romance stores, romance book stores. Woman-owned. Not, yeah, not woman-owned, no, not woman-owned, you know, that's just the buzzball. But check out the rip bodice. And the rip-bottis, she explained to me that there's a whole subsection of sports smut that is all hockey smut. And you know how I feel about hockey players. And I'm about to Google hockey smut and see what I learn. She had given me a couple, and I never really been able to delve into.

it. But I think I should start because the show Heeded Rivalry has begun on HBO. And let me just read this to you, MJ. A romance set in the world of hockey. Shane Hollander and Ilya Rosenov are two stars in Major League hockey. Bound by ambition, rivalry, and a magnetic pull. Neither of them fully understands. And I wonder what that fucking pull is it. Cock, cock, cock to cock. I think it's cock to cock. I think they're pool. It's like fucking, uh-oh, put them in a finger trap. Put them in a finger trap. It's a cock trap. Get me a puck. And we're going to puck them out of that fucking finger trap. And then they're going to put their cocks at each other. And it's going to be awesome. And it's all going to be on the ice. Oh, it's all that. I have to admit at the beginning of this conversation, I couldn't imagine being interested. And now I am. I knew I was going to get. Oh, I started little. And then I knew I was coming in with a clinch hitter. of the magnetic pool. Neither of them fully understands.

Hockey, but make it gay and sexy is a good idea. It's gay hockey. It's gay hockey. Yes, that's what I want to watch. That's exactly what I want to be watching. And I'm so excited because it's going to keep me warm through the holidays because we only have two episodes out so far. And I can't wait to continue watching it.

Also, though, I was looking for, and this, nobody's going to care about. this, but maybe some people might. I realized, so the other day when we brought up, I think this was outside of recording, we brought up Mad Men, and Adam and I were talking about Mad Men for a second, and then he paused, and he went, wait, you've never seen Mad Men? And I said, no, I've never seen an episode of it. And the look, and I respect Adam so much. The look on his face, it was just slight. He just went, oh, and not in a judgment way, in a way that, like, you know I love the sopranos so much. And I assumed you were surprised that I hadn't seen it. That's exactly what I was going to say. Because I watched Mad Men first before I watched Sopranos. And then I realized very quickly

watching Sopranos, I'm like, oh, all this weird oddness of human interaction, the way that they kind of fracture it and make it weird and sopranos and it's so funny and it's so real, that's what Mad Men is doing a lot of the time. Homed it in because I noticed so, all right, all I knew John Hamm was I knew it started the careers of like I knew that it has like an insane cast I knew it was about advertisement I knew they smoked a lot of cigarettes literally that's all I knew about madmen

cut to that night I was like Jeff have you ever seen Mad Men and he looked and he went oh yeah I was seen Madman and I was like I've never seen it and went oh yeah much the first episode and I was like okay so I watched the first episode and I was like okay I bet and then I was like next

another one okay another one and then last night We were going to watch any, I was like, put it on madman, you put it on. And yes, you're now. You slurp it. It's like, I felt the same way. I was watching it in 2010 when I lived in my little Bushwick hallway with my two friends. And I would just, I was, I didn't have a TV, but I had a laptop.

And I would just, I lived in a hallway that was the size of my loft bed. I had a bed on top and a desk on the bottom. And I was either in the bed or at the desk. And those are the only two choices to be at home. And I would sit there at the desk and watch Mad Men for, hours and oh it was that was like oh man man I miss the times when there wasn't when everybody was watching the same thing because that same thing you'd go to the bar and people would just talk about madmen and it was so so fun that's exactly what Jeff was saying he's like because Jeff doesn't drink

anymore but he used to be a really big drunk it's a fun show to watch if you like to drink too that was a thing he's like and then we were just like chain smoking and then we would go we would talk about it and we would go like and it was such a my god I had that with break Bad. Like, it's like, I know I went through that with Breaking Bad. Yes. And of course, but it is so funny because I, I've been married to Jeff for years. Like, we've been together for so long.

I didn't know he knows so much about Madman. Like, and then he just, but also he knows so much about the history. And then he's like, so it'll pause me like, so that ad is an actual ad. And then he's like, Describe. Adam is just laughing and just doing the set. Like I imagine being having the same conversations with you, Adam, while watching this. And it's fascinating. I mean, it's, it's so, it's such a good show.

And I do feel like it doesn't get brought up as much as like a sopranos or a breaking bad. It was so popular at the time. And I don't, I mean, I don't think it jumped the shark or anything. I think people didn't like the last season quite as much. But like, oh, I just, I remember just watching Christina Hendricks on the screen and being like, there's never been a more beautiful woman alive than Christina Hendricks. Like, it's so, like, I, I don't remember a show. that feels hornier watching it than Mad Men.

Like, it is, it is such a sexy show. It makes you want to drink. It makes you want to fuck. It's such, like, evocative show. I am so happy that you're watching Mad Men for the first time, man. What fun? I, you know, oh, what fun it is to watch. Because you're right, I'm kind of trying to avoid holiday things.

I'm kind of, like, living in a no man's land. So I'm like, that's what I'm going to do. I'm watching Mad Men. This is my cozy show for the next, I don't know, we're probably going to rip through it pretty fast, but like next couple of months, it's kind of, don't you get excited when you fought?

Like, I'm so excited to watch this whole show now. I'm so excited for you to watch it. I also, I'm having a, I'm having a dangerous lack of holiday spirit, and I'm sure I've said that literally every year. Oh, no, and I'm not helping. You're not helping. You're not helping.

You're not allowed to not want to have Christmas this year. You have a grief. I'm going to have, I'm going to have it. I'm going to have a Christmas, but you can have a Christmas, but you can have a Christmas, griefs miss and you don't but but it's thanksgiving was so late and now all of a sudden it's like two weeks to a christmas i know man i and i and that means i should be listening to i haven't listened

to a single christmas song jackie where i where are you christmas i don't know why can't i find you you are the cindiloo i'm really uh so something has gone wrong in my own brain cindo loohoo Dude, is that fine? Sindo loo ho. I haven't heard that name a long time. I imagine you're all covered in dust. This has been great and I'm excited

and I'm sorry that I'm not helping. But maybe the Mariah's a holiday pop-up bar maybe where you go and get squeezed for every cent you've got so that you can get the E-equals MC-squared drink. I don't even know if you have that at your Mariah's holiday.

I don't know if I do. I know I should start planning my drink now because I think you get a drink. It's only 18 bucks and that includes a drink, which is a great deal in New York City. Man, you have a much better deal than we're getting in L.A. Wow. We're getting priced out of the Mariah Carey's holiday bar over here. No, it is not in demand here in New York City. But yeah, no, there is no, we don't have the E equals MC squared in New York City. Why? It makes so much sense, especially in watching I Love LA. You know why? Because Angelinos love shit like this. And New Yorkers don't have fucking time for shit like this. And I think that is forever the difference between New Yorkers and Angelina. And Angelina's just like, oh, my God, that's so chic. Yes, go off. Let's fucking take pictures, you know. Yeah.

No, I'm over here. I'm going to be having to drink the make my wish come true, which is what I'm, oh, no, I can't do that. It's an espresso situation. I can't have a Jackie. Oh, you want a slime gang? No. Yeah. Are you espresso?

You gotta have a bad headache when you drink that espresso. That's the espresso martini that made Jackie so sick. She almost puked into her bag of edibles, which is how you know how sick she was. That's when you know, it was the only bag I had. And you know what? I was like, you want to dump the edibles out first? And Jackie was like, there's no time.

No, man, no. Just holding my face up to the cold window as we went over the bridge in Jake's car. I'm like, I'm a puket at your car, man. I'm a puke in your fucking car, man. And I didn't. I didn't puke in his car because I am successful. Yeah, that's what everybody, they look at me and they go, oh, my God, is that the version

of success I've been waiting for? And I was like, unfortunately, yes. There's not a drink on the menu that won't make me puke. That's the problem. Oh, no, we're going to be, oh, you think we're the pukeiest people known to mankind, MJ. You think we're not going to be pukin after one of those drinks? It's all milk-based alcohol. What have I done?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're paying for the opportunity. And I hope that you guys out there are paying for it as well, but not with your hearts, only with your spirits. And I hope that everybody's getting through. We're making it through the holiday. We've got all this. Everything's going to be great. And we're going to watch Mad Men. And we're going to pretend like we all still smoke cigarettes, even though it makes me, I just keep thinking, drink some water. You guys could all use a glass. Either that, that and also, we, we need to stop saying goodbye when we leave conversations. I think that we need to start quipping on the end of conversations and then piecing out of a room. And I'm done saying goodbye to people. So I guess you're not getting it today. Okay. Everybody, because I need a quip. Because eggs are great. Eggs hurt my stomach. No, so eggs aren't great. That's not even a bad thing. That's a bad thing to end on. MJ, I need a quip. Uh, there's blood in the men. Is that what you said?

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