Page 7 - Second Helpings - Humanity Was A Mistake

Episode Date: July 4, 2025

Grab ya spoons, it's time to dig into this week on Second Helpings MJ and Jackie goss' 'bout the proper way to soak your potatoes for that 4th of July fav, pasta salad. MJ's bein' Mr. America and visitin' the big ole' green lady on the sea for the 4th after years of puttin' it on a bucket list. We all learn the valuable lesson to leave ya knives at home when visitin' the towers memorial. Orlando Bloom's goin' through his 'teenager who just discovered philosophy' phase while in splitsville from Katy Perry. One of the people on 'Love Island' is actively ghosting another cast member and that's insanely awkward. Jackie has many, many feelings regarding the villa on 'Love Island', and MJ is here to give the space Jackie needs. The reunion for 'Secret Lives of Mormon Wives' was E M O T I O N A L. MJ highly recommends 'My Mom Jayne' if you're wantin' to bawl. Travis Kelce is join' Lea Michele in the anti-Book IT club, Vinny ain't the Vinny we remember, AND SO MUCH MORE!Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hell yeah, out the gate killing it today. Welcome to Second Helpings. Hopefully that your plate is all heaped on top today because I think we're having a bit of a buffet end of the week. Except are we, it's a holiday week. It's a holiday week. It's the fourth of July. It's an eating holiday. Yes, for those. Happy American Independence Day to those who observe. To those observe, I guess. You know, it is. I don't know if we wish it happy. You know, it's times like this that we remember that just because, you know, you don't support a government or anything that is happening in the country does not mean we don't support each other. That's true. That's true. If that is via hot dog, so be. Let's talk.

And you know that's what I'm going to be doing. Yeah, I want to know your, now that I know your dog, I want to talk sides. Tell me about are you doing, are you doing a potato salad? Are you doing. Whoa. You know, are we talking about a pasta salad? What are we doing? Whoa.

You know, I've been, thank you for asking, MJ, because I've been really experimenting in the world of pasta salads as a cold side. Yeah. It's been, you know what? Exilerating. Me and my best friend from, I said it. Me and my best friend from college used to spend every summer in like a kind of like low-key flamore about potato salad. But it was like a collaborative flame world. Is it like a vinegar versus mayo base?

It was just like, we would make a new, he would make a potato salad, and then I would make a potato salad. And it was a dialectic, though. Like, I was learning from him. He was learning from me. I was learning from Alton Brown. He thought about you. A little bit of a Bridgeton.

Come on, a little bit of a Bridgeton. Alton Brown says soak your potatoes and apple cider vinegar before you even start. And I do you do that? And I do. And he's right. Okay. And so, yes. So I love.

Wait, wait. Wait, wait. Roll it back, roll it back. You soak them in apples. I got to learn here. We all get to learn. You soak them in apple cider vinegar before you cook the potato. Not before you cook, but before you start your potato.

You cook the potato. Oh, yeah, you splash it with vinegar. Yes, yes, yes, yes. And then you put them in a bag or a Tupperware. You douse them in vinegar and you let them sit for hours. Wow. Before you even make the potato salad. And then you drain the excess vinegar and then you start your potato salad.

And it is a step worth taking. Wow. It's like brining a turkey. Yes, yes, exactly. It is the potato salad equivalent of brining a turkey. So I would love to hear your insights about pasta salad. I've always been more of a potato salad bitch than a pasta salad bitch. But I understand people have very strong feelings about pasta salad.

I really feel like the main reason, and go with me on this, that I think that I prefer pasta salad is only because in the making of the pasta salad, I will eat a lot of buttered noodles. And I think that for me, that is a big portion of why I'd prefer to make pasta salads because I always have to make extra because we've got to have butter bowls. We've got to have our little butter bowls. Might I recommend you raising my children? Please. Because one of them eats buttered noodles every single night. And so you would have many opportunities to eat buttered noodles. This is great because I always think about my mom brings up that Henry for many, many years would only eat clean noodles and hogogs.

So he would only ask for clean noodles and hog hog hogs. And that was what it was. My mom would have to like chop it up and like she's like, just peeling the skin off the hot dog like to give. Because like he would only eat. And look at him now. Still eat hoggogs. Only hogogs and clean noodles.

Yeah, sometimes the noodles they get a little dirty. He can dirty them up now because he's an adult. All right. And he can handle that. But so you're saying that you are a vinegar based potato salad. Like after that, you make more of a joieman. We talk in joiment potato salad, right? I put a little bit of mayo in it, but it's not a thick mayo base.

I do think that that might be one of my issues with pasta salad. It's all a mayo. Oh, but, oh, MJ. What? Oh, there's a whole world to explore of non-meo-based pasta salads. Okay. In fact, actually, primarily most of the pasta salads I make are not mayo based. Okay.

All right. So there's, I mean, for instance, I was really trying to bring, you know, Flag Day. We had Flag Day. And I had to represent my Italian side. And you'd think, oh, she's going to make a lasagna. Oh, she's going to. It's like, no, it's a big barbecue. So I made an Italian-inspired pasta salad that had more like, I got the little balls in the moussadale.

I put the balls in the mouserail in there. I got, like, I chopped up and, like, sauntered some panchetta that I also like put in and put it. Was there some olives in there? There was some olives in it. It was very much. I guess, you know, it was, let's be real. It was giving more Mediterranean as a whole.

But then strictly, like I wasn't being like, capish every time someone ate a bite of it. Although, if I could haunt every person at the Flag Day party and do that, you know that I would. Oh, yeah. Oh, man. That sounds fantastic. And I know what you're saying Mediterranean made me think. For a time, Freddie's, when she was three, her best friend from 3K was Greek. And whenever they were like, do you want to come over to our house for a play date?

I'd be like, I'm coming hungry because, man, do the Greek know how to eat? I'm going hungry. I love Mediterranean food. And they're like that they're like right currently, their kid is a quote unquote picky eater. But like that kid just eats like really good fetta all the time. I'm like, that is such a hilarious picky eater, like, kid problem to have. Oh, give me that Bulgarian feta. Give me that cream and dream.

And talk about, oh, put some Bulgarian feta into a pasta salad because also it's a creamier feta. So if you're looking for something with less of a crumble, more of a cream, and you don't want to go to a goat. And if you don't want to go to a goat. And I dare say, invite goat into your home, pasta salad as well. All right. But Bulgarian feta gives it like a really great creaminess. It's more rather than crumbus.

Well, I might go to the Statue of Liberty tomorrow, which is on the Fourth of July. Whoa, okay, Flex. I know. Wow. I'm Mr. Patriot, man. Wow, I did not expect you to ever say this. So let's, I mean, not that you're against the Statue of Liberty. I just, we love Lady Liberty.

We say hi to her every time we pass her. Oh, baby. She is there. She's got to support. She's got to protect us. Yes. And she's big and she's mean and she's green. So you know, I kind of want to kiss her.

But we're not thinking about kissing that big old copper statue. I forget what she's made out of and why she turned green. Yeah. There's a story. There's a penny. Yeah. We learned it in elementary school. We did.

The French? Correct. I know a lot about American history. Oh, baby. Do I know? I'll learn and I'll report back. Don't worry about it. Thank you.

Thank you. I appreciate that. So are you going on a school trip? No, we got friends in town and they're visiting. And we've always, every year we write on our summer. list, go to the Statue of Liberty, and we never do. That's great. Yeah, and it just happens that we're going on the Fourth of July. And I am worried that everyone else there will be making some sort of like patriotic like, you know, mission trip.

I imagine there's going to be protests. Perhaps. Well, I would assume. Perhaps. Yeah, I mean, obviously it's an interesting time. It's an interesting time to go to the beacon of welcoming immigrants right now. This is what I'm saying. Yeah, it's very, yeah. On the patriotic holiday. I know. Report back. I will. It's going to be a weird scene. I'm going to try to. I'm not going to get into any fights. I don't have any offensive shirts I'm going to wear or anything. I think it'll be fine. Leave your knives at home.

I just remember, I don't know why I specifically have a memory of this friend of my sisters when my sister came in town to visit when I lived in New York and she went with him to the 9-11 memorial. And she's like, yeah, they kicked Roy out because he had this huge knife on him. And I was like, how big was the knife? She's like, well, it couldn't be longer than like four inches. And I was like, four inches. You're not talking about a pocket knife.

You're talking about like a box gunner. I was like, what kind of knife? I was, well, I guess we now know, don't bring your large knives into the 9-11 museum. You know, to be fair, New York City has pretty strict knife rules. I have a friend who got arrested several times for having a knife on him. And he was like he was a handyman. He was an electrician. It was like a work knife.

But he just, I was like, buddy, you got to stop taking that knife out in public. It is, I understand. I have a husband that always has a, like a working knife on him because he is always working and he is also like always doing handy things. So he usually has a little like pocket knife on him to be able to cut through things. And I find that weirdly, very sexually attractive that he's always prepared. And it is, but it's also funny because like, I mean, is it how often we forget when we're at the airport? Yeah, yeah. And then I got to be like, I got to shake you down for knives at the airport.

Yeah, yeah. For some of us, we're afraid we have weed on us, and for some of us we're afraid we got a knife on us. And now I'm excited and I know that I have moved on me. And I am just like, try and take it away for me. You go ahead and try. They don't because they're scared. And you know, I feel that, you know, I was about to say that Orlando Bloom might be scared of Katie Perry, but I just don't think that's the case. Okay. We have to talk about Orlando Bloom right now. Orlando. Also, I need you to know. I can't remember if I did. Did I say this on the show and I'm sorry that Henry was so excited that Legallis was available for me to have sex with. Yes.

As if, because Henry was making an assumption that I still wanted to have sex with Legalist, which I mean, it's not wrong. I think that's a very sweet brotherly assumption to assume that you still have a crush on the person that you had a crush on in high school. Yeah. Like, I think that's very... And in my case, it turned out to be true. I didn't think I still had a crush on Noah Wiley.

But I realized I did. I feel like that. It's like a different crush now. Like the crush I have in Noah Wightly now is very different than how I felt about him when I was a high schooler. Yeah, that's true. I don't think I have a crush on John Carter. I have a crush on Dr. Rabinnaz, which is different. Exactly. Yeah, because if I was fucking anyone, we all know, it was Dr. Kovach and was Dr. Green, okay?

Oh, Dr. Kovach. Whatever happened to Dr. Practical magic, baby. I just think, oh, I just dream about him and practical magic because, man, he was bad, but he was good. But he was bad. Oh, it was bad. Oh, man. And you know what?

While we're talking about, I know we need to talk about Orlando. While we're talking about high school crushes, I was thinking about this too when we were talking about Leonardo DiCaprio going to the Bezos wedding. And how we all have the ick now. Yes, RIP, crush on Leo. It's obviously been gone for a while ever since we realized that he's physically incapable of getting hot for anyone who is older than 25. But this is the death knell.

Goodbye. Crush on Leonardo DiCaprio. And thank God for George Clooney. continuing to be a good and interesting person because that perhaps my oldest crush can stay you know like I think he was the first probably the first person to feel this you know to really start the stirrings and and even though he doesn't fight with his wife well yeah that was annoying but it didn't I didn't close up shop for it if anything no I mean yeah I did tell that to get it I was like George and a mall cluny never fight they never fight they never fight

And she's a very busy lawyer. And so what does that mean for us? Please, keep, I want to know, does Gideon welcome the comparisons to Amal Kaluni? Or is he like, please, I'd rather you didn't. Well, he'd be impressed if I was compared to her. I don't even know who is the Amal, I guess he's the Amal Clooney. Yeah. Yeah.

Yes, and you're the George. I'm the, yeah, well, that's nice. I think that makes us both feel good, actually. I think he'd be happy to be the Amal and I'm happy to be the George. Great. So this works out really well. I'm happy for you, but but all of that said, goodbye,

you know, RIP, crush on Adrian Brody, crush on Leonardo DiCaprio, both died 2025. Yeah, yeah. But Orlando Bloom, who you no longer have a crush on, because he is sad and we love it. You know, you can swoop in there when a man is sad. The page six headline is that is thinking of you.

Orlando Bloom gets real about loneliness and sadness after Katie Perry split in cryptic posts. Now, cryptic posts is burying the lead here. It really is. Orlando Bloom has posted, as of 19 hours ago, we are recording on Thursday, Orlando Bloom posted a carousel of images on his Instagram that is just 18 different quotes. 18. I didn't even know you could make a carousel that big.

I didn't know that either. I'm sorry, MJ, loneliness does not come from having no people about one. but from being unable to communicate, that seems important to oneself. And I see that, and I raise you, people will do anything no matter how absurd to avoid facing their own souls. Wow, like go to space. Yes. Interesting. Interesting.

We are talking about Swiss psychiatrist and psychotherapist Carl Jung. Oh, yeah. Oh, baby. We are talking to 18 quotes in a row. one does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. Like, some of them seem like pointed jabs at Katie Perry, and then some of them are just like, did you like just discover Carl Young and you're so excited to read him and you're just sharing, like what a lot of these quotes don't have anything to do with lost, loneliness, breakups?

They're just like young quotes that go hard. And so I don't know what this is, but it is. I just, I feel like this goes hand in hand with, I saw this like, I think it was a GQ article, like the front of a GQ article that was talking about like, you guys want the cure for male loneliness. You should just be friends with your wives' husbands, homies-in-law, and called them homies-in-law. And I, it just, it was like, it just made, in my brain, I was like, that makes so. many assumptions as well as like I feel like that is such like a oh because a man can't make friends so like just do what's easiest and be like oh I can spit on this person guess I have to be friends with that like the path of least resistance I just I have a husband that actively

creates new friendships and I love to see that he is partners I mean yeah it's funny that that you assume that your wife only has female friends. I know, that's what I'm saying. That's why I'm saying that like it is, it's one of those. It's one of those. But it's like, again, it's coming from GQ. But Jeff does actively make an effort to both befriend the people who are important to you and the people important to them and make his own friends. And I'm going to say that I do think the mental loneliness epidemic affects married men, of course.

But I think that when people talk about the male loneliness epidemic, they are talking about people who don't have wives. who have husbands to be friends with, right? I think a lot of the talk is about men who don't have somebody who don't have a community in their life at all, may perhaps including a wife. Although I do think it's fine and good to center that men with wives might also still be very lonely and still need male friendships. I think that is good. Of course. Very important.

And I like the encouragement of making friends. I think that that is good. We love that. I love to encourage men. Friendship. to make friends. Yes. That is nice. It is difficult. It is vulnerable. I literally yesterday was trying to erupt a friendship from a professional into a personal friendship. That's a scary thing to do. It's scary. It's very scary. And I'm like so blessed to have,

I like, am still close with my college friends. And I like, because of Occupy, I like made a group of very, very solid ride or die friends who have remained friends. Like they, like, I, like, I, often feel like we hear from many, many listeners of the podcast who talk with us a lot about how they moved away from where they went to high school or college. And so they don't have that. They don't have like a foundation of friends from when they were younger or maybe they didn't find their people when they were younger and they don't like the people at work or whatever. But I do find like even like trying to make, I've really enjoyed making parent friends, but also it's terrifying. Like if I'm trying to set up a play date for my kids, it feels like dating.

Yes. Like you send them a text like, maybe we could hang out sometime, but no worries if not. Right. But like, I don't know. We're around this weekend. If you, like, it's so vulnerable. And even the act of doing that makes me so, like, so much more mindful of how true. Like, if you move to a new city because you got a job there or, you know, your spouse is from there or whatever.

And then you're now, you're just supposed to like cold call people. Like, that's so daunting. Oh my God. And, like, we're fairly extra. And it's difficult for us. So that's why I just want you to know that if you don't see yourself as an extrovert, I just want you to know that like it is difficult for everybody. But it's good to remember that all of a lot of us feel that way.

And remembering going into these situations that it's not one-sided. Everybody feels vulnerable with it. It's it is friendship is dating in a different way. It's just non-romantic. dating. Totally. And you got a vibe, but then also it's like the whole, how do you stop it if you're like, oh no, but we're not libing. Oh no, but this is. Yeah. And then you have to like, honestly, I mean, not to bring this back to Love Island. I was going to say, we could bring it back to Secret Lives and Mormon Wives too, but you go first. I mean that too. I just was going to say one of the

people in Love Island was like, is literally in real time being ghosted by another. person on Love Island and this guy is just like usually when you get ghosted you don't have to see the person but now I see her every day hooking up with this dude every day and I got to like get past it and move on yeah and how difficult he's like because she's just like won't even look at me and he didn't even really do anything it's just Casa ended and she had to go back to the villa and she did have a connection and the connection was better at the villa If you, but if you're going to ghost some, ghosting is premised on not being able to see them again or, or carefully avoiding it. I mean, it's hard enough to ghost somebody when you live off the L train because you're going to see them. Like, better to not ghost and to just end it explicitly and clearly. And listen, I've made mistakes. We've all made mistakes. But like, I just feel like if you know you're about to go back to the villa with the person you are hoping to ghost, you've got to just have an explicit conversation.

I had a great time at the CASA with you. but here at the villa, it's going to be over. That's it. I got to go back. I got to. And I will say, man, people are making choices in the villa. This last episode, we are now, right now, God, I'm so envious of you. The people that are listening to us right now have probably already watched last night's episode, and that is tonight's episode.

A lot of people are saying they need to know what Jackie thinks of the latest developments, and now I need to know. I have so many feelings and I know that I'm not going to just trap you and monologue at you about my feelings about the villa. I'm not going to do that. I'll give you some time. You can have, what do you want? Five, ten? I just think, you know, my worry is that just like, I think that I could do a full Jackie talks for 60 minutes just about my feelings about what has happened in the villa so far because I just allowed talk to myself as I want. watch the show. And it is right now at such, so essentially there are multiple, for those of you

that don't know, there are multiple recouplings that happen in the show. But some of those recouplings are done by the votes of America. Yes. And here's the thing. If there's one thing that I think we all know, especially if you've been listed to page seven, like people are crazy right now, especially, even more so. And I think people are going to vote chaotically. They're going to sabotage. Explain the vote. I saw Julie, Ed's lovely wife, post on her Instagram that she's getting the app to vote.

And I made a note to myself to ask Jackie, I know that you had said there was voting because I confess that I enthusiastically voted for Clay Aiken in 2003's American Idol season three. But what is, tell me what it's like to vote on a reality show 2025. We need an app. And what are we, we're voting. We're trying to. So you're saying people are going to chaotically sabotage each other. They can mix and match them.

So it is and like they don't have any say over it. So the other recouplings that happen, it's them choosing who they're recoupling with. And this will be the second of America recoupling them instead to see what happens. And that's right now. humanity was a mistake. And it's just right now, it's just like, you know, I want to say fuck you, Taylor, because I want to say it. Because let's just, just so you know, MJ, there was like a couple that everyone's like, oh my God, end game, end game. Like we're getting Riverdale here.

And then, boom, Casa Amor happens. What happens? Fucking two days with a new bitch, he drops her ass after weeks. of being with her. Yeah. I guess, sorry, spoiler for, well, this was days and days ago. At this point, if you're that behind, I don't know what to fucking tell you. It's going to get ruined for you.

It is everywhere. Like, you have to watch it as it comes out, or it's going to get spoiled for you. Unless you're not living in the TikTok social media realms that I'm living in, because it's all Piggy videos and Love Island TikToks. And that is all that my feed is consumed with. You and I are on such different algorithms. Oh, so different. And like, I don't, you know, here's the thing.

I think that Taylor, just straight up, vibes better with the new girl. But everybody, but here's the thing, MJ, I love Allandria. But then they were kind of mean girl in there at the very end because they had this challenge last night that was everyone got to write. It was a very real housewives moment where everyone had to write down things they needed to air out on a piece of paper and they could write down who said it or not. I love that. This is like when the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives are like, let's just get together and ruin this party by being mean to each other in a game. Oh, and it was after a challenge that was the heart rate challenge that they had to do whatever they could to get everyone's

heart rate up the most. So everyone went balls to the wall. Are they slat on each other or what? And now there's one bitch that's really mad at another bitch, even though she's like, it's a challenge. We all have to be sucking on each other. But a lot of the other bitches think that she went too far. I feel also it's like they're not closed off yet. It's a challenge. I feel you're not closed off yet.

But then that was a thing. And then, of course, fucking piece of shit ace gets called out as you fucking should of like, why didn't you close it then? If you're so precious, if you're both going to be so fucking, precious. Close it. They have the option to close it. Oh, they've got the option to close it. Uh-huh. They ain't closed that shit yet. Mm-hmm. Yeah,

then you can't get mad. And he's like, well, Shirley wanted to keep it open. He wanted to fucking keep it open, too. Sorry, this is nothing. It means nothing to you. I mean, I understand. I know about it to the nothing I have no one to talk about it with, and I just want to say, thank you for listening.

And we've got a lot more to go. Sounds like you could talk to Julie. Julie's voting. She must Julie's voting. Julie's voting. I haven't downloaded the app yet. Okay. I have downloaded peacocks so that I can watch it on my phone while I do other things. Do you think that you're not downloading the app because it means something to you psychologically to keep that boundary between you and the villa? And you think that if you download the app, the boundary between you and the villa is gone. It's gone. And I think that that it's like it's too be for me. You know, I just can't go there. Yeah, I just, I can't do it. Like, I'm already watching it almost every single day. There's only, and it is, I think about them.

We were gone for two days, and I thought about them. It's like, what are they doing in the middle right now? Yeah. Oh, God, it's Saturday. That means they have a day off, which means I hope that they get to go on adventures, but on their day off, MJ,

they're not allowed to talk about the show. They can do whatever they want. but they're not allowed to discuss anything. It's like jury duty, how you can't discuss the trial. Yes, exactly. They're not allowed to do anything. So I thought about them on Saturday. And I hope that they had a good day off in Fiji.

So I'm fine. Babe, you barely touched your food. What's on your mind? You're like, I'm just wondering what the people on the villa are doing on their day off. Do you think they want kayaking? What do you think they're doing? You know, they can't go in the pool when the microphones are on. Maybe they get to be in the pool all day today.

Let me dream. Well, we're talking about male loneliness. Can we talk about the reunion for secret lives of Mormon wives? Man. I missed them. I did. I did. Even though they are coming back for a season three.

They said that. I don't know if they'd announced that earlier, but they said it officially on this reunion. And I'm happy for them. You know, my biggest takeaway from the reunion is that nice stay-at-home dad, Michaela's husband. And Michaela's pretty mean. That we never see. We never see him.

And it's probably because he's not a psychopath. And he lost his job when the show ascended because it's embarrassing. And his employer was like, this is embarrassing. You're Mormon. Your wife is, you know, part of this slutty TikTok group where we're firing you. And he was like, okay, well, she's making tons of money and I'll be a stay-at-home dad. And I love that. Isn't that nice?

And so he's like, yeah, she's making so much money for our family. She's really happy. She's, this is what she's meant to do. And now I can provide for our kids while she provides for the family. And I was like, look at you, Jace. Good for you. I can't believe you remembered his name because not in a million years would I have said that his name was Jace. I was about to be like, I know who we're talking about, but who are you talking

about? Yeah. Yeah. We heard from the husbands a little bit on this reunion. And actually, yeah, I'm shocked to admit that there was actually a couple of pretty touching moments on this reunion. One of the husbands talked about traumatic abuse experience he had as a kid and connected to Michaela about the traumatic abuse experience she had as a kid. And even though his wife is enemies with Michaela, but he called her and was like, you should get therapy. And that was really moving. Isn't that nice? Isn't that nice? His wife is in a fight with this bitch and he still called the bitch and be like, I'm so sorry that this happened to you. Seek therapy. And then he was like, I'm just so glad that you got therapy. And she was like, about so much that you called me.

And I was like, look at you ladies. Mom Talk is going to survive this, you know? Yeah. But is Dad Talk going to survive this? I'm just so happy that they're making content too. Yeah. I'm just like, I want to see more just, I need more Mormon dudes. Yeah, I want to stare at more Mormon dudes making little hip shakes. I guess, you know what, if that's your algorithm, good on you. That's the eye it lingers, you know. And I know Holden hates TikTok dancing and like that aesthetic. I don't. I think it's fun. And I think it's nice that the dads are all hanging. I'm like, I'm being sincere.

Where men are struggling to find community. And so if they find community by being like, ha-ha, dads hanging out, could you imagine? And then they do it. Then let it be a model. Male loneliness epidemic is cured. See, that's what you got to do. Get these men together.

Do little dances. Do little dance, yeah. Have you thought about doing a little dance? And I did have to look up because I guess, You know what's insane? I feel like all I do is watch reality television, and there's so much reality television that we don't watch, that I was like, who is Nick Viall, Vial?

Oh, I know. That guy, the host of the reunion? Who does? See, I've seen his name places because of his YouTube show and because of his, like, podcast stuff because he has a lot of reality stars on. Got it. But he was a, he's a part of the Bachelor, Bachelorette universe.

That's why we don't know him. He was also in Dancing with the Stars. This is why we don't know him. Okay, all right. Which actually, you know what, MJ, I am surprised that you never succumb to the world of dancing with the stars. I've done Dancing with the Stars. Okay.

I like so you think you can dance better than Dancing with the Stars. But I like both Dancing with the Stars and so you think you can dance. And I'm even more embarrassed to say that I really like the children versions of each. So forgive me. forgive me. I'm proud of their talent, you know. In the children version of Dancing with the Stars, they take, oh, it's bad. Even as I'm saying it, I'm like, edit this out.

They take famous kids who aren't dancers. Okay. And pair them with famous kids who are dancers. Oh, God. I know. Listen, it was years ago. And at the time, I didn't know that probably both of those populations are deeply, deeply suffering. But now I don't think that I would enjoy it.

But it's a few years ago. Deeply suffering. This was, I think, before I had kids. But it was fun. You know, it was like, hey, the kids from Blackish are paired up with, like, a professional kid from dance moms and they're all dancing together and whatever. And I love it. That sounds like a nightmare.

I loved it. Talk about a, like, an actual, like one of those theater kid nightmares. I was like, look, how much fun they're having. They're having a great time. I thought it was really nice for them. But now I'm like, again, I don't think child. actors should even be a job anymore and probably a professional child dancer. I mean,

I'm torn on that one. It's a craft. They might enjoy it. And I think kids enjoy acting and kids enjoy dancing. But making it an industry thing is, I think that these are crafts that kids should enjoy as kids enjoy activities to enjoy them, not to become professionals, you know. Also, I'm really glad that I made this note while watching poop grues. And I just said in a Scottish accent, there's only so much a toilet can take.

And she didn't sound like a pirate when she said it, but I've been thinking about the line, there's only so much a toilet can take since watching poop crews. Shout out to our Patreon commenter who said that they really didn't need to have such a connoption fit about peeing in the showers. Because that's fine. Yes. I mean, again, I understand why it's not ideal. It's not ideal. But like, sure.

Like this person pointed out, many places are on the, world have squat toilets. Like if you just have to squat and pee, it's fine. Like, you will live. It's fine. That's fine. Also, people shit outside for a really long time. I mean, you're right. I'm not used to it. But if I got a shit outside, I'm going to shit outside. If I got a shit off out a porthole, give me the fucking porthole. The people who are opting to go down into the depths of the shit hallways to find a bathroom that would flush. A toilet so you can shit on the shit. Because you needed to shit on the shit? Because you're surrounded by shit because you're too afraid to shit in a bag.

Just shit in the bag. What's wrong with you? Free place. I'd rather shit in a bag in a room that doesn't have any shit in it than shit in a toilet that flushes. Well, I'm knee deep in shit. Also, it's like, what are you worried about that you're going to shit all over your hands? You're going to hold the bag and go like, oh no. I can't stop.

It's on my hands. Like, what do you people expect to happen when you shit into a bag? Yeah. It's really. my preferred way to shit. You're right. It's, but it's, it is a way to shit. And if 4,000 people shit in the bag, instead of all trying to shit in the one toilet that flushes, we got a much smaller problem, you know, so everybody just needs to man up and shit in the bag. Man up and shit in that bag. Sorry, in even saying that, I just realized that the prize for Love Island is

$100,000. That's not enough. right? $100,000. Yeah, they got to up. The prize money is not following inflation and cost of living increases. The couple receives $100,000. Yeah.

Now, don't get me wrong. I know everybody gets brand deals. They get followers. They get influencers, like sponsorship. Like, I understand that it's for more than that. And don't get me around, 50,000 is a nice, certainly a nice chunk of change. Take out the, we're not staying in Fiji. You know America's going to take at least 60% of that.

Like, I feel like it's like, most of that's going to go away. Yeah, they probably have to pay a lot of taxes on it. And, yeah, I mean, I... For all of this? For all of that labor. Right. For teeny kinis every day?

Yeah. To the point that I don't know what they look like with clothes on? Yeah. That's insane. Yeah. Yeah. Also, it is very interesting because I was reading into the shooting of the villa and I was talking about the Saturdays, but also on that Saturday, usually they bring in like

people that come in and do their hair, do their nails, do their lashes, like everything, they do all of the work on the one day, everything they need to get done for their bodies, but also makes a lot of sense. Like when Megan the Stallion came in, she brought in a bunch of her line of bathing suits for the girl, because I didn't even know that Megan the Stalian had a line of bathing suits, but a lot of people come in like small, again, probably not smaller, but like designers bring in their clothes. to swap out their clothes because they're only allowed to bring two suitcases with them for an entire summer of many outfitted things that they have to do.

So they bring in people to like swap clothes with them. And that, I was like, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, yeah. That does make a lot of sense. Okay, so this is. And sometimes a bitch gets voted out while wearing that bitch's dress, by the way, and doesn't make drama. Uh-huh. Wow.

She was wearing her dress when that bitch decided to fucking kick her out. She got kicked out by the person whose dress she was wearing? She got kicked out by the person whose dress she was wearing. Yes. Okay. No, she let the person who kicked her out wear her dress. Oh. So bigger.

It's bigger than that. MJ. It's bigger than that. She was wearing the dress. Speaking of big, Megan Kelly, who you may remember from Fox News, says that Sydney Sweeney's enormous breasts scored her an invite to Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez's wedding.

And I actually don't really have much to say about this, but because I think that that's obviously a sexist and stupid thing to say. Sydney Sweetie is a huge star, as we discussed on yesterday's show. She is a massive it girl right now, and I don't know why she was invited to that wedding. I don't know why she went,

and I wish she hadn't because I like, Sydney Sweetie and I don't like people who went to that wedding. But the Big Breasts comment reminded me that I really want to talk about Mariska Hargertay's documentary about Jane Mansfield. Is that too, is that too difficult to segue? I do need to get into it, but I do just want to say real quick, apparently Sidney claims to have gone to the wedding. She's not friends with either one of them. It is apparently because she has an upcoming movie coming out on Amazon and that she was doing it for PR. I'm just, I, I, see your eye roll. I feel your eye rolling. I'm eye rolling. But again, you know what? It's all going to come back to Jane Mansfield, actually. So this is fine. All right. Great. So hit me. So I, you know,

I've already said to MJ that I already, this season of the bear had to shut it off, I think, four episodes deep because I was like, can't handle it. Yeah. So I couldn't. I didn't. I chose to not watch this documentary. So please tell me what I missed. It's fascinating. It's really, really emotionally intense. And I promise this really will connect to Sydney Sweeney. Ooh, okay. So in a way, right? So I know, I knew very little about Jane Mansfield and Mariska Haggertay, who is of course Olivia Benson from Law & Order SVU. And she might have other screen credits, but I mean, we all know that she's the most, she's the most employed person in the business. by being Olivia Benson.

I'm curious if she ever signed like a death of a career contract. I wonder if this is it like, like, you know, like flow from the progressive commercials. Like sometimes. Unlike Chris Maloney who had a lot of other credits by the time he got on SVU,

she was, I think, pretty young. But this documentary is not about her career on SVU. It is about her mom, Jane Mansfield. She was also on ER. Wow. So she was three. Apparently. When Jane Mansfield, her mom died. And so the kind of premise of the documentary is that she doesn't

remember her. And she's like, and not only does she not remember her, but she kind of avoided it for her whole life because she was like, this is kind of a source of pain. And also, Jane Mansfield has this really complicated reputation, which when you watch the documentary in 2025, you will realize how horrifically this woman was treated. Oh, I mean, so many of this. starlets. I mean, not just the starlets. I mean, many people were treated so poorly. Yes. So, so poorly. Jane Mansfield was a beautiful, talented, intelligent woman who made her career, like, came to Hollywood as a young single mom and was like, I'm just going to make my career, completely self-made woman, like with her toddler. And the dad, like, left. And so she starts making her.

basically doing anything she can. She's teaching dance classes and she's selling candy at the movie theater and she's taking any like any bit parts she can get. And she's a knockout. And so she, as she's building up her career and she wants to be a serious actor. God, she's so hot. She's, I know that she contains multitudes, but also, but also yes. And, and, and not only, but, but she has this whole like, uh, background in the arts. She's an incredibly talented violin player and an incredibly talented piano player. And she was like, could have gone to conservatory for music. And like her teacher, her music teachers as a kid thought that she would become a professional

musician. She was that talented. But she wanted to be a star and she wanted to be a serious actor. But because as her career is building up, she's hot, hot, hot, and she's blonde. And she's smart. And so she starts doing this thing where she's a bomb shell entering the villa. And so, and you know, this is the time she's coming a few years after Marilyn Monroe. I'm going to just keep going.

I'm not going to get derailed. by that. But it is this really interesting story of like looking at the challenge of being a very hot, very popular actress in this time when no one could deal with her also being smart. And so she kind of plays up the like ditsy blonde thing and she's really good at PR. That was what made me think about both the way people talk about Sidi Sweetie's Body, but that also the PR thing. there's an interview with Jane Mansfield and they're like, you get picture, people see you in magazines

more than they see you in movies. Like, don't you think you should focus on your acting? And Jane Manfield was like, listen, there's two parts of being a star. One is being a fine actor and the other is being seen. Fuck yeah, bitch. Okay. Yes. She knew what she was doing, right? And so she used her, like, she was very, like, wise in building her career that way. But then it became this really, really tough double-edged sword because then it was like people just wanted to see her as this very again very marillaum naroa you're you're a dits you're a dumb blonde they would call her they wanted her to zip the lip yeah they would call her a dumb blonde to her face there's an interview with her with groucho marks being like you're actually very smart and you're doing a bit right

but she like can't admit it you know like because it's an interview and she's like well i just have who i am and so it's this fascinating fascinating look at her career but that And also, it is that story and it's this fascinating story of Mariska Hagerte being like, who is this person who I have no memories of? But she has three older siblings who have memories of her. And it's just a, it's a, it's, it's really interesting, especially if like me, you love old Hollywood stuff. Jane Mansfield was done so dirty.

God. Despite being like, like, when I hear her, I think like pin up girl. And it's like she did, she, she was struggling to get serious acting roles because of, of the way she was kind of shoehorned into this, you know, pinup girl role. But she was like, I used, in interviews, she said, I used my, like, roll as a pinup girl to get myself, my foot in the door to get more rolls. Use what you got, babe. But then she couldn't get more roles because she was, had this pinup girl vibe, right?

Damn. So she ended up, you know, the, she died very young in a car accident, but she... 34. She was 34 years old when she died. And she had been... And Mariska was three, apparently. was three, yeah. And she almost didn't, they, I don't even, I don't think, I, there was, Mariska almost didn't

survive the accident. It's a, it's a wild, wild, wild story. But, um, but yeah, it's, it really is the story of Hollywood's refusal to allow a woman to be beautiful and anything else, you know, and she was, she was, I know it's hard. They're always trying to keep me down. Oh, they're always. And they're not gonna, baby. We all need to be a little bit more like Jane.

And I guess that means, no, we hope for her that if she had continued on living, that hopefully she would have been able to drop the act eventually and be her own person. And it's so sad that she never got that opportunity. I think, and by the end of, by the end of her very young life, she was trying to drop the act, but also she was like, she had gone through a couple of divorces. She was kind of like having a hard time. And it is really one of those things, especially now that I'm, now that I'm a little older and reflect on life. I just, I just watched this movie and I was like, I wish that she had just been. been able to like live and get through this hard season of her life so she can get to another season of her life. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Rather than it ending this way and then kind of

her legacy being like, oh, what a tragic ending. It's, it is really, it's, and so it's a, I cried a lot while I was watching the movie. If you, if you like that, which I do, and so if you want to watch a movie that will make you cry and think about old Hollywood, I really recommend, it's called My Mom Jane, and it's made by Mariska Haggurtee. It's on Max. And if you like me, exclusively think of Mariska Hagerty as Olivia Benson. This will really give you it will really flesh her out as a person for you. It is a very well... At first

I was kind of like, oh, a documentary about your famous mom by a famous person but it's actually like incredibly well done. I think it's a very well done. Olivia Benson has also been through a lot. I know. I think you should know that. She was for... Olivia Benson was shaped by the tragedy

of her own mother. Did she bring that up in the doc? Like did she bring that in? She does not really bring Law and Order SVU into it. But yeah, it is, it's so, to watch somebody who you've watched thousands of hours of playing only one character, you know, like I've only seen this woman play this one character. And then to watch her being very vulnerable talking about her real life, I was like, MJ, stop calling her Olivia Benson. She's a person. You're part of the problem. So by the end, I had a much more human view of Mariska.

And it is a very, very well done documentary. My only thing was that I feel like documentaries now, they use old photographs or footage. And I couldn't tell to what extent they were using, like, AI to kind of like, I think it's one of these things where there's like a little, it wasn't like AI heavy, but it was like, here's an old photo. And now it's moving a little bit. And you're like, wait a minute, is this footage or is this like AI animation? Can we not with this? If anybody watched it and could tell me whether I'm wrong or not, but I was like, it just, I was, you know, that's just something we have to like worry about now when we're watching like a found footage documentary and I don't like that. It's when you, it's what you have to worry about when you look at anything anymore

with what they can do. Yeah. And what like, it is so insane what AI can do and the fact that you have to like look for it all the time and always be aware of it. And I, I don't know if I complain about this on here, but that like I got burned by multiple small independent Etsy sellers when I was trying to buy like crampus Christmas cards last year and I purchased two of them two separate sets from two different independent that I thought

were just handmade cards and Jeff looked at both was like that's AI that's AI and he's like baby you got to be look at and I was like I didn't know I had to look at the hands always I didn't know I had to look at the legs always I didn't know that you have to like look for these things but now I know

this is how we learn and how we grow is that now we just just have different things that we have to look for. Yeah, yeah. And some people, I saw this Twitter thread of this guy who was like, I animated a childhood photo of me and my mom, like, who has passed. And, like, the animation made me feel so happy because I, like, saw this memory of her. But all the replies are like, that's not a memory.

That's a simulation. Now you have a false memory. This is how false memory. But what if the false memory is nice? But what if it helps? What if it helps heal? What if it's also there's, ah. I know.

It's too many. It's too many feelings. It's too many feelings all the time. Yeah. No, that one was complicated. Oh, do I have a brain disorder? It's too much. Yeah.

And that's okay because, you know, it might be too much for me, but I at least feel like I've got a proper handling on how to read. There's certain people like there, like there, like Travis Kelsey out there that, you know, Adam, I would love to just, it's the blippest of a quote. I would love to hear it, please. Table reading. For a guy they can't really read that well. Same. Preach. It was kind of a situation.

Okay. So we're talking about the S&L, his S&L performance, and he has said it is the tiniest quote that has been, everybody's making fun of drives crazy right now because of it. My favorite meme of this is the shot from the You Belong With Me video where Taylor Swift is exchanging little signs in a notebook. know, with the boy across the boy next door. And she holds up the sign that says, you okay? And then it's just Travis Kelsey holding up a paper with a bunch of scrimble, scrimbles.

Scrimbles on it. And it scrumbles on it. He's getting a little sprinkling of the Leah Michelle treatment right now. And he does not deserve it in the way that Leah Michelle, I feel, kind of deserves a little bit of it. Yeah. But it is fun to, I mean, he said it. He said it. It's not like something that was said about it.

You know that even with the Liam Michelle stuff, we try to not use you can't read as an insult around here, but it's funny for him to be like, I can't read. This also made me think, I used to teach theater and I would often be doing, I called them table reads after we generated, wrote a script together. We would all sit down and I would do it with very young kids with varying literacy levels.

And so it is possible to do a table read, even if you are an emergent reader. You know, you just need some supports. You need support. And so I, I just love the idea of him being like, I can't do SNL. I can't read. I can catch a ball.

I can bed down a tiny lady, but I can't read. It did kind of hurt my heart that he didn't say I can't read good. I really wanted that clip. But, you know, beggars can't be choosers. And any excuse, because I will say they are now coming back into the front of the cultural zeitgeist. right now because ball games, I guess, are starting or they're throwing or they're running or something right now. And so everyone's like, but is Taylor going to have a ball?

Are they talking about a baby? No, like have a ball game, be at the ball game. Does she care about the ball game? Is she like, is she going to change the NFL this year? And it's just all this like, okay, guys. Oh, and he interviewed Brad Pitt. Yuck. Yeah, I don't know.

I struggle. I'm struggling with it. At first, I know years ago, we were like, look at Taylor. She found her fun football boyfriend. And it's fine. I got no problem with it. But I'll... I'm apathetic towards it.

Yeah, it's just that, again, now that I'm more regularly trying to read the, you know, Goss, I'm tired of reading about them. They really get shoehorned into many, many conversations that there's no reason to be talking about. Every front page. And like, it's not even just him. It's the brother, too. And I get that the brother's fun. But now I know everything his wife thinks about parenting. Oh, we know everything his wife.

I don't need to know this. No. I don't need to know. This is why I didn't want to start listening to the Vial, vial files. That dude from the Bachelorette. The guy who did was the host, yeah. Yes, I don't want to listen to the, I don't want to listen to what. It's probably pronounced vial if the show is called the vial files.

The vile files. Vile files. I mean, it's... Vial, fjoles. Vial fials. Yeah, I do love, you know, slap in a cento in the end, you know, a little filet. You know, it's viali, fiales.

I'll take that as well. However you want to... It's probably vile files. You're right? You know what it is, M.J. I've never said it aloud. Yes. I've seen it on socials for so long, but I've never...

But you're right, it is probably vile files. This is like me with Emma Rottokokokowsky, and I had never seen... said her name out loud, but then she made a video for Zoran on Election Day and she said her name in the video. And I was like, and I tried to say it over and over so it would stick, but I've obviously already lost it. Rodahowski? Radakowski, I think. Ask us, but I guess we could ask Charlize. Now, we were just talking about Charlize a little bit. And one thing that comes up with Charlize over and again is her talking about how nobody will date her. She is trying. She is on every day She's like, I'm on dating apps.

I try to get hooked up with people. How? How? How? She's like, I guess I just come off as too intimidating, which could you imagine being in her presence? Like, I, I mean, yeah, I'd melt. I'd Alex Mack to the floor.

You know what I mean? When no one would date me and people would tell me it was because I was intimidating, I would say you're just saying that to make me feel better that no one will date me. Yeah. But I think in Charlize Theron's case, it might be true. She is very intimidating. That's probably not true, MJ. You were intimidating to that person.

And that is a wonderful gift. That you had that one time. But I'm happy for you that you did. I'm not intimidating. But she's just a beautiful, smart woman. I can't believe this is like when lemonade happened. And people were like, even beautiful women get cheated on. What?

And it's like, what? Yeah, it really, like, let this be a lesson to you, listener that if you are single, it is not because you're not hot and smart. And also, like, brave and brilliant. Like what she said about not going to the Bezos wedding, I'm in love with Charlize Theron. Like, she's like, fucking outspoken, talented, incredible body of work, all this stuff. Why is she struggling so much on Raya? Right. And then she... And Raya's supposed to be the good one, right? Yeah, that's the celeb one. And she says, but she does say about her current situation. She said there's this notion that somebody like me must be missing out on something and that

people feel sorry for you. But she says that she doesn't miss romantic love. Oh, good. But she might miss having sex. Okay. She says, now, though, I'm having the kind of sex I never had in my 20s or in my 30s. That part has been really exciting. But I'm not missing a relationship. I'm not missing the partnership that I think people think you miss when you're me. Okay. Good. Good. Good. So I saw that she, because again, the headline is like, Charlize Stheron complains about Raya. And I was like, is she like complaining that she's having a hard time finding somebody,

which the quotes of her complaining about it are very funny. She said, every guy has a burning man picture, or they're like a CEO of nothing, or they're a creative director of nothing. Oh, nothing. Just like how everyone on Love is Blind as a project manager of nothing.

Yes, yes. Or they're, you know, Vinnie D. who is very openly on Raya, and my friend saw him, and I was like, are you going to swipe on him? and apparently he's not the guy, he's not the Vinny for us anymore. Vinny from Jersey Shore?

Vinny from Jersey Shore. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's not for us anymore. So, but I will say that right now, Charlize, is getting a little bit of flak, which I understand. Of course, they're like, if a man said this, and you're right, you are correct. But she said, I'm sounding very cocky here, but I think it's because I found this freedom in my 40s where I'm like, oh, my God. So I just want to say this in perspective. I've probably had three one-night stands in my entire life, but I did just recently

fuck a 26-year-old, and it was really fucking amazing. And she did say that, but in that way where it's like not even going into explicit detail, it's just like a, of a, you know, I did I do this thing. I think 26 is right on the cusp of it being okay. I think if a man her age said I just talked a 26 year old and had a great time

I don't, you're right I guess people would be like Yeah I guess my thing is I'm just so happy for her Yeah I'm more so thinking about the fact that she was never able

to explore this side of herself Totally That she now gets to explore And that is fun And I hope encouraging for people But at the same time It's like oh great Very encouraging

That Charlize their own gets laid Oh good Good. Just making sure that one of the hottest women to exist, she's still getting laid. Don't worry. Yeah. Well, I am happy for her, though, because she deserves everything she wants in life. God, she looks like a jungle cat that can destroy me. Yeah, she's like aging exceptionally. How was she hotter now than she was 10 years ago? I don't know. It's just like I feel like I got re-enveloped by her in when re-watching the Fast and the Furious series. and just her coming in and like knowing the big over the top character she's playing,

but also bringing the gravitas is I love to see it. Give me 150% in a Fast and the Furious movie. Please. Absolutely. I also feel like living for it. I do think it is like an observable phenomenon of like women of a certain age, having some dalliances with men of a certain. younger age and having a good time.

And how dare they? How dare she? Have a good time having a lay, all right? She's got children to raise. And I think are teenagers at this? Like, I think they're fine. But she has definitely said that she doesn't think she's going to be like moving anybody in anytime soon. So I'm just, I just wanted to say govah.

Yeah. Yeah. I just wanted to throw out of govah. Good for her. Yeah. Because I want to, I'm out. here supporting her. You know, I guess we should be also supporting Katie Perry because even though we did start

this episode talking about the Orlando Bloom divorce, there are multiple pictures of her performing. I don't know if it was last night or a couple nights ago with her just like actively crying on stage. It's just, it's sad. This is just like when she was in the Katie Perry documentary from 2014 that I've talked about a million times and she was going through her divorce from Russell Brand and she was also on tour. And there's this like very moving shot of her under the stage, crying uncontrollably and

trying to stop so that she can emerge from the stage. And I found it so like relatable and hard at the time. And you imagine how much she's triggered going through this again? I know. I mean, at least it's not with the father of her children. With the father of her children. And Russell Brand was obviously a horrible, horrible man that does not seem to be true for Orlando Bloom. But it is really really sad. And just to be on tour, I just can't imagine having to be like, all right, got to put it all out there again,

especially when everyone was already making fun of her tour. And arguably, and with reason. And it is very, I just, yeah, I've edged over. I've gone to the other side. Now I feel too much empathy and now I feel too bad. And I have to remember she's a person. She is a person. And I know, I know.

And it's gotta be horrible. I wish her grace getting through this divorce and I wish her peace. And I would not, I would, I feel like, I'd like her to not partner with Jeff Bezos anymore. I keep saying like give people great. And I have been saying give people grace. I'm like, am I starting to use give her grace in the same context of bless her heart? Yeah. I feel like it's really moving into that level of a catch race, you know.

Yeah, definitely. Sometimes you've got to give him some grace. And that's, yeah, I don't know. And again, I understand sometimes people will be like, you, you were generous to this person and not to this person. I'm like, yeah, I'm a hypocrite. I'm a hypocrite who has different standards for people based on how much I like them. Am I a human being? Yeah, I think that's what human beings do.

And sometimes, you know, you have, sometimes you have a take might not be the best take. Yeah. But that's life. Yeah, we have bad takes. Sometimes we make mistakes. And I'm thinking about, I'm really hung up on how to feel about Sydney Sweeney because I really like her. But I really, I mean, again, there's no point in being like, I will permanently and irrefably cancel everyone who went to the Bezos wedding. There's no, there's, I don't have that power.

But I do think that people. Bezos does, though. So if you want to hit up Bezos, you know, you make sure. I just do think people shouldn't have gone to it. I think that. And Orlando Bloom on his Carousel of Carl Young quotes, the first comment is, why did you go to the Bezos wedding? Why are you in a Bayes's wedding? And so we don't need to cancel people.

We can just, I mean, we were just talking last week about how people shouldn't leave mean comments. But that's a thoughtful comment. Why did you go to the Bezos wedding? Why did you go to the Bezos wedding? You know, I'm actually kind of surprised didn't go to the Bezos wedding? Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively. I feel like that feels like something they would do. Right?

Or does it feel so on brand that if they were invited their, like we really shouldn't do this, which I feel like, and I'm creating my own narrative here, but in my head they got invited and chose not to go. Everyone is. We really shouldn't flame the fire right now. We have torched. Fan the fire? Flame the fire?

Yeah. Flame the fire. Nobody wants to flame the fire either, okay? Yeah, they have torched so much goodwill that whatever amount of goodwill they had through this PR were with Justin Baldoni that they perhaps. We're like, let's not go to the Bezos sweating. But Ryan Reynolds is out here. Oh, he is Canadianly really trying to hold onto.

He's just a nice guy. Yeah. Guys, he's not. He doesn't have all this money. He doesn't have all this power. He's just a guy. And of course, according to this, he's just a guy. He says, I'm a people pleaser by default.

He's a people pleaser by default. And I know that I'm saying this dripping. And I'm sure that he is a fine guy. It is just the fact that he was like, he had to say, I'm such a people pleaser that I have to teach my kids not to be people pleasers. So what I tell them to do, and of course it's a j. I imagine is that the kids need to disappoint one person every day so that they get used to not being a people pleaser. And I feel like the kids are going to learn that in skates from their mother. And I think that they, don't need to hear that from you.

I spend a lot of time thinking about this story. Yeah, I do think it's very funny to describe yourself as a people pleaser whilst embroiled in the highest profile litigation. So much drama. Like, yeah, like a multi-million dollar lawsuit and being like, I'm just a people pleaser. I'm just a people-pleaser. Which I know that you can. Again, everyone can contain multitudes. And they were right.

I mean, they had a, I think, if what. happened to Blake lively happened, then it is perfectly fine to be embroiled in litigation about it, right? And so it's not, I'm not saying that they shouldn't be embroiled in litigation. It's just a funny, it's just a funny way to describe yourself. It's just funny. It's just a silly. Yeah, no, I, I do think that it's kind of fun that he's like, you know, teach your kids not to be people pleasers. Yeah, I don't know. My reaction to this was like, listen, some, some kids are just trying to make it through the school day. I'm just trying to make through the day.

We don't need to put extra on them. You know what I mean? It's them trying to figure out like it's like to navigate the world of society for the first time. They're busy figuring that out. It's like, do we need to put extra all they're figuring that out? I do. There is a parenting piece of advice that I have been heeding for myself who is a chronic people pleaser and I do try to tell the kids who are, I wouldn't describe them as people

pleasers per se, but they are very sensitive to other people's emotions, which I think is the thing that gets you to becoming a people pleaser. And the thing is that when you notice somebody else is having an emotion, you say to yourself, this is their emotion to have, and it is not mine, and it is not my job to fix this. And if you are a lifelong people pleaser and you start saying this to yourself, you will be rocked by how paradigm shifting it is. If you say this is somebody else having an emotion, This is somebody else having it, even if it's something you requested. I asked for your help. Now you're disappointed and what you are supposed to say to yourself.

Thank you, Dr. Becky. What you're supposed to say to yourself is this is, their disappointment is not my, does not change my need. They are allowed to feel their disappointment. It does not change what I need from them. And it's not my disappointment to take on. I let them have it. And that is my gift to them. They get to be disappointed without me taking it on.

And I have found this to be, again, you know, mind, mind blowing. Yes. Because one does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious. Is that a young? It's a young. It's your way. If you're wondering, it's a young. I'm just glad that we get, I didn't expect this much young in my day.

I thought I was given old pretty hard, but no baby. This has got to be the first time that 18 Carl Young quotes are featured on the front page of page. It's page six. Wow. It's got to be the first time. What a carousel. Show me a same. man and I will cure him for you. Thank you, young. And I'm sorry, Orlando Bloom. I'm sorry that you

have to now go through such a public, public divorce. And I'm sending you both love. I, I guess for embarrassing behavior, though. Orlando Bloom has, what a weird thing to do. Are you shaming the out of them? I don't know. I guess if I, you know, of all the ways to publicly process a very public divorce, I guess posting 18 quotes of Swiss psychoanalyst Carl Jung is not the worst way to do it. Don't forget MJ. Thinking is difficult. That's why most people judge. And think about that next time you want to talk about Orlando Bloom. I also think about that. These quotes are like more boring than Carl Young is, you know? I know. Young is actually very fast. It's actually way more fascinating if you don't just like take out a small version of what he was saying. He's not a live-lap-love plaque.

No. You cannot live-laff-love Carl Young. You have to read the whole excerpt. Yeah. It's a whole process. It's a whole. But I guess this is Orlando Bloom's way of saying like he's doing the work. I don't know what this means.

Maybe he's talking to a youngian therapist. this? Like maybe that this is part, I hope? I'm listeners, sound off. What is this? What is he signifying? What does it mean to do this? Yeah, does he say, is he saying I'm doing therapy? Is he saying Katie Perry needs therapy? Is he saying y'all need therapy? Like, what is happening here? I really don't know what this is. It's obviously a man having a hard time. That's, we know that for sure. It's a man having a hard time. That is certainly it is. We are, you know, we're watching some people. having a difficult time and we're going to watch every second of it and yeah thinking is what i don't remember boring and also i'm a judge that's what i learned from the instagram post that orlando bloom posted and i hope

maybe you got something more out of it for all of you listening at home jacky we didn't even talk about the rehearsal season two that i finished we're going to have to do it next week Wake me up inside. Wake me up. Save me. And I, MJ remembered that they finished rehearsal season two. I will just say, we're not going to talk about it right now because it's the very end of the show. But I did see a TikTok that was a video.

This is a inside joke for anyone that watched rehearsal season two of just a pan in on a bunch of pilots laughing with Evanescence playing. And it just said, the world is healing. and I laughed so hard that I'm at a point that I'm like, do I need to watch it again? I did not expect that I thought that I might need to watch the rehearsal season two again. But it did affect me to that extent. But I think that might just be as someone that is trying to work in a field of experimental comedy.

Anyway. Thank you, Jackie. Thank you, MJ. We're going to talk about it next week. Thank you so much for being here with us. And thank you all for joining us. And thank you, Carl Young. Shoutouts to you.

I feel like you were really. really the MVP of this week's second helpings episode. And I hope you guys have a great holiday if you're celebrating. And if you're not, eat a fucking hot dog anyway. It might just put a smile on your face regardless of what it could mean or signify to you. Have a hot dog. Should we sing the song? Yeah, let's sing the song.

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