Page 7 - Second Helpings - I Contain Multitudes

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

This week on Second Helpings, Jackie and MJ are back and the thanksgiving puffs from Jackie's Snackies are a hit in the studio makin' Jackie wish she'd used 'em all for content, MJ reports that their kids really don't understand why adults like Thanksgiving, and speaking of Thanksgiving, get ready for a Thanksgiving day watch along of "Addams Family Values!" Jackie highly recommends "The Chair Company" on HBO Max, and it's dawned on us that everything is Wicked, Stranger Things, OR Christmas right now. Jackie has some thoughts on "Die My Love" and also chunked up the 2.5hr long Frankenstein and loved it! The new director of the "Wuthering Heights" film has gotten some heat for makin' some weird choices, and Jackie is no longer a "Welcome to Derry" skeptic, then a spoiler filled DWTS chat, including Hilaria milkin' if for all it's worth. Plus Meghan Markle was deleted from the KRIS JENNER BDAY PARTY PHOTOS, and even more on this week's Second Helpings!Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

God'll be better The second time around Yeah, it is, you're damn right it is And I gotta say, man, those Thanksgiving puffs That Adam gave us on page seven Have been the hit of the studio I'm so upset that I didn't use them all for content because I just gave it to them instead and everybody oh it's been the talk of

the studio oh yeah people love it oh my god where did they come from oh my god where did you get these puffs oh my god the puffs the puffs they've been screaming about the puffs in the vents i'm so shocked because you know we talked about it a puff is it is a baby food texture but it is but you know what i appreciated is that jake came up to me i was in the middle of doing something and he goes hey can i talk to your vest and i was yeah what's up and he said like those Thanksgiving puffs and he's like you know what's great about them is that it made me like it gave me the feeling of eating like when you're very sad and you eat all the dry cubes from the stovetop box and I was like bro that's the most like niche thing that I've ever felt validated by

before and you're so correct and he's like but it's the puff consistency so it doesn't cut up the inside of your mouth. Yes, those cubes are sharp. Those cubes aren't sharp. You gotta watch out for them. They'll fight back. When I was a kid, I was a really picky eater, and my, like, way in to both salads and Thanksgiving stuffing was just croutons.

At first, I started just, I would just eat the croutons off a salad. Put a little bread on that bitch. Put a little crunchy hard bread on it. And then at Thanksgiving, I'd be like, yay, Thanksgiving. I will eat the dry bread cubes. My children are like, why does every adult love Thanksgiving so much this holiday sucks? And I'm like, you guys will understand once you learn to love the food. Yes.

Well, also, I can't even say when they're older. They also are children that don't give a shit about food at all. Yeah, yeah. I think that some kids must love Thanksgiving. But to them, they're just like, you know, it's sandwich. Are there? Can we sound off? Like, do you have a child that specifically loves Thanksgiving?

Because I would love to hear about them. Yeah. And it's like, is this something that you had to foster? Was it something that like all of a sudden they just, I don't know, they're turkey crazy and I can't stop them. It honestly feels like a purposeful way to like short sell gratitude, you know, because it's sandwiched in between Halloween, which is just like a big dopamine festival of costumes and candy and lights.

And then, you know, Hanukkah and Christmas, which is like presents, presents, presents, presents. And then in between that, you have to like just sit down and you're just like forced to be grateful for what you have. togetherness and gratitude. And, yes, as an adult, it is one of my favorite holidays. But I do wonder how kids feel about it. I feel like it's a good, what I remember about Thanksgiving when I was a kid was just like four days of being in sweatpants at home, which everybody loves. Everybody loves.

And I will throw it out there that if you were listening to the page seven episode when I found out that MJ had never seen Adams family values, never fear. because we are changing that. Oh, how quickly I'm changing that because on Thanksgiving Day, which is a Thursday, which is when page seven usually drops, we are going to be dropping a watch-along of MJ and I watching Adam's Family Values.

So if you would like to avoid your family, plug in, just put the AirPods in, pop-od, Adam's Family Values, and then you don't have to hear any of them if you don't want to. And you don't have to hear the movie, I guess, if you don't want to. Or you can have an AirPods,

out of one ear and then you listen out with the other ear. There's many ways in which this can be done. Yeah. And I'm very excited because at least it's not like a regular musical where I'm just going to be singing through it. I'm just going to be singing through that one portion of it. Here's the thing. I have no idea what to expect.

I know the Adams family in general, but I really have no idea what the movie is about. I didn't even know that Angelica Houston played Morticia Adams until this moment when I looked it up. I have, I have, I'm coming in fresh, fresh as a daisy. I got no preconceived notions about this movie. MJ, I am in Adams. How have you not, I, also for those that don't know, I did marry into the Adams family. I mean, I haven't legally changed the last name, but I'm going to get around to it at some point.

Apparently, it's a really big to do. You got to go to a lot of places. You got to physically. do it. Yeah. Paperwork. Yeah. Paperwork.

But you are, you talk to an Adams multiple days out of the week. You didn't even know that Angelica Houston was Patricia Adams? I don't know. I'm sorry. I don't need to be like, you've never seen the Godfather. I'm sorry, this is just our you've never seen the Godfather. This is our, you've never seen the Godfather. And I only recently watched the Godfather and then Gideon and I became the

insufferable. Neither of us had seen it. And then we became people were like, have you guys seen the Godfather? But like, it's a good movie. In 2024. But I don't know what I was doing in 1993. Like I remember that I remember it. Not living.

I not living. I was seven. And yeah, honestly, I was in my own ass somewhere watching something that no other seven year olds were watching. And I don't know what, I don't know where I've been. And I'm really excited. I, again, I don't even know. You've given me the impression that it's not even a Thanksgiving movie.

So I'm about to find out. No, it's not. It's not at all. And it is just that one portion of it. And you are going to wonder why they're doing a Thanksgiving play during a summer camp. But, you know, we don't look too far into Adams family values. We just say, thank you. Oh, my God.

And just, you're going to be introduced to Debbie. And I can't believe I get to watch you watch this for the first time. That's how I felt when I got to watch. singing in the rain with you. Oh my God. Don't even bring up Dancing with the Stars yet. Did you flip out the...

I thought about you! Yes, I did like that they danced to singing in the rain. Although my only response to that is interested in Joyce to do a totally different dance to a song that's famous for a very specific dance.

Or could they go after... Like, could she do that? You know what I mean? I feel like that's going up against one of the greats of dance. Yeah. And it's not like, I was going to say it would be like, like playing the song macarena, but doing a dance that wasn't the macarena, which isn't exactly right because it's not like Gene Kelly's tap dance is like a no, like it's not like people replicate that dance all the time to say it in the rain. I don't think that's ever happened. But you know what I mean? I was just like this, I was having a bit of cognitive dissonance. Like this is not the dance that goes with the macarena. But yes, you're right. And also just real quick sidebar, but we're going to get to. to dancing with the stars later, but he was weird because yesterday, to

such an extent that I thought I was going to carve out my eyeballs, I had putting on the writs stuck in my head, and then I watched Dancing with the Stars, and then once the song, and I was like, why is it in my breath? Like, I don't know where it came from. Wow. And yesterday, I

just kept it up, but ba-ba-da-da- the mountain sets, button on the rits. And we were doing vampire all day, and they just kept thinking about putting on the writs. Wow. And when it played, I was just like, am I magic?

Am I a magic woman? And yeah, that's what I thought. Not that it could be anything else. Or like, huh, interesting, coinky dink. No, I assume that I am magic and I assume that I made this happen. You are a magic woman, and that is like a stage of development that all humans go through where they like think that they are kind of the center. Or know that they're magic, thank you.

And I love that this is still where you're at, and I want you to stay there. I'm never going to lose it. This is the delusion I'm never going to shed. And you can't take it from my cold dying hands. There are other articles to talk about. I need to throw it out there that we haven't even brought up yet. Have you been watching chair company at all? I can't believe that it's gone, that I've gone this many weeks, and I haven't brought up the chair company, which is over on HBO.

It's Tim Robinson's new show. You brought it up. Okay, I did bring it up. Yes. It is getting better, weirder. Adam, did you see this week's episode? This week's episode was, it ended and I was like, am I obsessed with this following show?

Because it is, you know, I know that I've already said it. Then if you like Tim Robinson, you're going to like this show. If you're like, oh, it's just always Tim Robinson just in different kinds of crazy. You're correct. And this is another one of his crazies. And what I like about this is that it's not just Tim Robinson that's very weird in this world. It's like everybody's living in a weird, fucked up dimension where nobody has any control over themselves necessarily. It's so weird.

Is it? And I love that it's being made. Is it, I know that this is like comparing Tim Robinson to Nathan Fielder is like comparing apples and oranges. But I'm just wondering, like, because it's like HBO show, like vehicle for like a very unique comedian. I think they are giving platforms for weird comedy. I love that. And I'm fucking all about it. Yeah.

It is so different than what Nathan Fielder is doing. And yet it is another weird shadow facet of comedy that I can't believe they are making on such a big budget scale. Yeah, I guess that's what I'm thinking about like. how, like, that, that, what comedy shows are coming out now feel like they're changing for, for good, like. For good. Oh, God damn it. And I watched that trailer last night.

And it did, for good, start to play. And I started crying. And I looked at Jeff and I was like, I'm going to apologize to you now, bitch. Because, oh, we are going to see it. And I'm going to be crying. And you can judge me all you fucking want. I'm going to probably enjoy it. And I'm definitely going to cry.

Dude, did you see. that clip I sent of the crowd storming Ariana Grande? Where were they? Oh, my God. They were walking at the red carpet and Cynthia Arrivo, uh, leapt in front of Ariana Grande, like the, like a, I was trying to think of like an appropriate analogy to make, but like, as if she was about to take a bullet for her and, um, just jumps right in front of her and it's like, you know, just since Revo is, I know that I've expressed a lot of annoyance with the wicked press tour, but I do find Cynthia Revo to be a really big. badass and now that I've seen Wicked

I think I appreciate her more but it is also Ariana Grande is just like always looks kind of shocked and surprised she's like a little bird that you're like afraid is going to fly away and she's like ah and then she's like strong and like jumps in and like pushes this

person away I was like wow this is really I really thought the crowd was going to like bring her out like aunts stew with a breadcrumb you know like I thought they were just going to and she's like no And they take her, I don't know where they're going to take her, back to Oz, I guess. She ain't never going to see the line of day and never again.

Man, we've been thinking about Return to Oz a lot. Have you seen Return to Oz? We've been talking about it a lot recently, just with the wheelers and everything. I think that, I mean, Wicked and all the collabs. Oh, God. And the article I included with, when I was talking about Stranger Things collabs, look out stranger things. Get out of the way.

Wicked is coming through with insane collabs. There are so many collabs. Like, everywhere you look in, if you go to the grocery store, it is straight. Either has stranger things on it or it has fucking Wicked on it or it is just Christmas. It's one of those three things. Dude, five below. Do not go into five below. Five below has been seized by Wicked 2 and Stranger Things.

Every item there is like a cheap. crappy knick-knack of Wicked 2. But I am very excited because someone sent me the pink whipped cream, the salted caramel cream, and I am going to flay myself right now because I am just remembering that I forgot it in my fridge at home. And I'm very, very upset about that. Are you going to try it for a Jackie's Snackie's? You know I'm bringing in it.

All right. You know I got to bring it in. I got to try. And I just want to say thank you so much for sending it to Jackie's Snackie. and you can send in your own 4804 Laurel Canyon Boulevard number 3-78 North Hollywood, California, 916-07. I need to come up with a song for it like stick-stickly. But that's something that I'm going to circle back around to at some point. Yes, because it's a creamer, it's a keychain, it's a perfume, it is a shampoo.

Oh, it's anything you've ever wanted. There's so many and all of the collabs are like, but you can just pink or green. It's like, why are we, I feel like we're, like, going on an episode of guts right now that we, I feel like we have to pick our fighter, you know? Oh, I love guts. I wonder if guts are sitting here. Watch them destroy each other. I would kill someone. Do you have it?

To watch guts right now. Yeah, there's wicked deodorant. Wicked, the one that really got me was the wicked mac and cheese. The wicked microwavable easy mac. The microwaveable easy mac is. Wow. It's such a choice. Yeah. Oh my God. Speaking of macrodion cheese, I have heard that they're making an apple pie mac and cheese. I guess that is out right now. Yeah, didn't we? Who told me about this? I feel like we talked about it. Well, I saw Jordan Myrick, my favorite food person online, was talking about it. Yes. I. Because they work at sport. I did see, I did see that. And yeah, yeah, no, they are doing that. Yeah, they're. Yeah, I just, I just feel like it's like when you do the, uh,

like this is what good pussy sounds like when you're making mac and cheese. Like I just, I feel like adding in the apple pie to that really, I don't know if it's like a Jason Biggs thing, like that I just can't get behind it. Like I don't know what it is. You included this in the links and you made a Jason Biggs reference in the links, I think, last week, but we just didn't get to it because I was like, I there's no. Look at me. Look at me making the same jokes past me was making.

Same joke that you made in solitude that you've now got to make in public. Oh, am I always on. brand? Yes, I am. Same jokes the past 15 years. Yes. And everybody's still listening to it. I pulled the wool over everybody's eyes. Yeah. I mean, I just feel this, all these wicked collaborations, it's, you know, I get whatever. Like, but I, I, with RFK and the food die, there's such an anti-food sentiment right now. Everyone's trying to take all the food day out of the food. But, and you're, take my purse snakes from me. Yeah. Oh, you're never taking them from you. I want more food die. And Wicked, too, does also.

They're putting it in the cereal. You can get the pink cereal. Got it. How are you supposed to make a pink and green, M.J? So thank you, Wicked, too, for keeping the food. At this point, I'm like, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. I'm like, give me more food die. I want to give it to my family, you know, just because I'm pissed off about all the other things.

Food die, more like food live, am I right? Yes, I've still got it. Speaking of dying, yeah, I am bringing up the movie Die, My Love. Oh, my God, yes. I have to talk to talk about it. I need to discuss it. I need to discuss it with someone. And unfortunately, this is where I'm going to take it because when I looked down the barrel of mine co-host's eyes earlier and I said this is another, I thought about you moment. I will retroactively find offensive once I see die my loves. Yes. Oh, you will find it very offensive because I thought because I thought about you because it is. And not just because you're the only parent I know. I know many parents. Okay. Because honestly, the reason why, you know, I'm trying to say this in a way that's not like spoilery, I guess. Not that there's even really much to spoil per se.

Remember, we did watch the trailer here together. I know the gist, but yeah, go ahead. And for those that don't remember, Die My Love is the movie that just came out. It is starring Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson and is directed by Lynn Ramsey, who also made You Were Never Really Here, and as well as we need to talk. talk about Kevin. Need to talk about Kevin. And if you've listened to this show for a couple of episodes, you are aware that MJ and I think about we need to talk about Kevin all the time.

You could make a list. If you've just seen it. If you were doing like academic research on page seven and you were like keeping track of all the things we mention and all the movies we mention, Adam's Family Valies would be there, you know, dozens of times, sex in the city of the movie would be there dozens of times. And, yeah, I really feel like we need to talk about Kevin is up there. We bring it up several times a year.

When I was talking about this yesterday with Jeff, because I think the reason why that movie sticks out so hard is that it was the first time I had ever seen a movie that I'd always been like, yes, if I am able to, I want to biologically have children. I'm going to have biologically have children. And then I watched this movie, and I was like, oh, my God. I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't. And this was the first movie that I watched just because I am fairly mentally ill. And it does scare me. Not that I'm not asking for tips. I'm not asking for advice. I am just saying that this is where I started feeling this for the first time. It was in 2011. It was, you know, 14 years ago. I feel like that. It's aroundish the time when your brain is hitting that if you're in your like mid-20s. Totally. So we go see yesterday, Jeff and I, I didn't really look into Die My Love very much.

All I had heard from a coworker was that it's depressing. And I said, sign me the fuck up. We love that. Because if there's one thing, you know we love, it is sad movies. And I... You know, it's like, give me a Blue Valentine. So I feel like Blue Valentine for me, Revolutionary Road for you, MJ. I feel like we had...

And now we need to go and watch all these movies. I think that I'm worried about to go down a rabbit hole of watching a bunch of sad relationship falling apart movies. Yeah, bad marriage movie. My favorite bad marriage movie is Revolutionary Road. When I saw the scene from Die My Love, it reminded me of Revolutionary Road, my favorite breakup bad marriage movie. And my favorite one is Blue Valentine, and that's the one that ripped me apart. But I think it's also specifically because MJ and I were both at our separate moments going through horrific breakups while watching these. Each of those came out, yes. So I think that's what was going on with that. I remember seeing Blue Valentine with Eddie. And I remember him just being, like, looking over laughing because I just was sobbing.

Sometimes you see a movie at just the right time, and it really clarifies something that you need to do in your own life. And when I saw a Revolutionary Road, I was still in a relationship. And I really feel like that. And, sorry to do it again, the Sex and the City movie were the two movies that helped me realize. be realized. Do you not die? Yes. I needed to not be in that relationship anymore.

And I really credit, this is, you know, as Nicole Kimu would say, heartbreak feels good in a place like this. Yes. But I tell us about die my love. Because I think that my concern upon seeing, and I'm realizing maybe we didn't even watch the trailer, we just watched like a release, like a scene. A clip, yeah. But my concern uponst watching the clip was, um,

well, this looks quite overwrought. And I would describe, we need to talk about Kevin, as very overwrought. Like, just me, like, really, like, okay, we see what you're doing. And I like it. I like what you're doing. But it's like, you know, it's a bit heavy. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's like, it's just like, it's just turned up to 11 in terms of the drama. And that's, I'm not saying that is a bad thing, but it's just, I was like, is this going to be, I feel like it could be something that hits really hard or it could be something that's like, okay, settle down. you're reaching for an emotion that you're not achieving. But that's why I want you to tell me about it. I think that this movie was probably really well done.

I don't know if it's the editing. I don't know what because it is about the cycles of depression. And also with like in conjunction with postpartum as well as how society talks about it. Okay. And how it is very much, you know, we're in a place where, okay, we're finally in a place where, We can say postpartum depression. We can say that people go through it. We can say that people experience it and that it is valid

and that you should have community and we can say all these things. But do people show up to do anything about it? Right. So we've reached this level of, okay, we can say it. Is anybody going to do anything about it? Is anybody going to help? Is anybody going to, are we going to have any more resources? Right.

But my controversial take, after discussing this with Jeff last night. Jennifer Lawrence does a great job. Robert Pattinson does a great job. If you want this feeling from Jennifer Lawrence, I would say watch Mother instead. Oh, yeah? Because I loved Mother.

Uh-huh. But also a very divisive movie because like Die My Love, it is incessant. It is upsetting. Uh-huh. It is about not being able to get out of, of a cycle when you're trapped in it.

And so watching Jennifer Lawrence go down, now I have not experienced this before, but I imagine for people that that's why I'm not even saying you because I'm not exactly sure of your particular experience. I just mean parents in general of the shattering of who you are before becoming a parent. Yes. But what I liked about this movie is that it really had nothing to do

with her, honestly, it had nothing to do with her disliking being a parent. And that's what I think actually is beautiful about this movie, is that it's everything else. And I think so much of what is said about postpartum brush is like, oh, you hate being a parent. Oh, you decide to be a parent. Well, that's the choice you made.

Which is why no one wants to talk about it because it feels horrifically shameful that you think people are just going to think that you're not grateful that you have a baby or that you're, yeah, it's, And it's, right, I think that that is an extremely important distinction to make, like, you, that, that you're allowed to feel a constellation of emotions with that not being a reflection on how you feel about your child or even about your new identity as a parent. Right. And even Jennifer Lawrence makes like a set. I mean, she is acidic as fuck in this. I, I mean, she's selling it. I will say they're, it's like, I feel like some of us have met people in points like this in their life. And I will say that I do feel that this is also a bigger conversation maybe about, at least

what I'm seeing in, like, the world of Reddit of, like, it is not just a postpartum. Like, it does seem like this was something that she was struggling with before all of this. Not that that means that takes away your postpartum, but I guess it like shifts. But I do feel that this was something that as you watch the movie, you learn more information. But I like that it isn't just, I hate being a parent that sucks. but I like that her joke was when someone was like, oh, you know, like, you know, they'd already said it was going to be easy. And she's like, yeah, literally nobody says it was easy. Nobody says it's easy.

So why do we say, like, you know, it's like you hear the word rewarding throw it around. You know, it is. But it's so overwhelming in the movie that it points that I was like, my chest hurts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not a light. Oh, let me just throw this on this Sunday afternoon, you know? Well, when you brought it up and you reminded me that it was the same person who did, we need to talk about Kevin.

You were like, this bitch must have a really complicated relationship with parenthood. Wow. I did look it up. She does have a daughter. And, Jackie, hold on to your hats. Her daughter's godparents are Tilda Swinton and John C. Riley. Oh, that's great. Isn't that fun?

I love that. Well, I love that. And I will say, you know for me, if a movie is trying something, I like that it was trying to really convey something that is not usually seen in movies. I do find it interesting that I feel like a lot of the reviews of people that have either never lived life as a woman before or would never experience. and experience like this or like, get over it. What are you talking about? You should help yourself. You know you have to help yourself before you can help other people.

But you also know that sometimes you're right. You have to want to change. You're right. You're so right. But also what happens when it's so many, like so long, like what do you do? I mean, I think, yeah, I think you're right. There's just so much misunderstanding. And I.

And guilt. You're so right. And guilt. So much guilt and shame. And, like, I had, like, a long, you know, fertility struggle to get pregnant. And I very naively thought, like, I'm just going to be so happy to have a baby. I am at zero risk of postpartum depression, which is also such a silly way to think about it, as if people who get postpartum depression, like, just didn't want the baby.

Didn't want the baby, right? That's not it. Like, I wanted that baby so bad. But also, for me, it was just like a, it really is a, uh, a, uh, a, uh, a, uh, a, uh, a, uh, a wild roller coaster of realizing how chemicals changed that way that your brain works because the hormones in your body that were that the reason you know a huge contributor to postpartum depression is just the massive hormone crash that you go through and it takes a long long time for your hormones to level out and stuff and so I but I coming from you know I just was I just I don't think

when it comes to anybody else I don't think that depression is something that you should just personally fix yourself but when it comes to me that's how I I think about it. Exactly. Exactly. And so I was just like, why do I feel this way? I'm a monster. I'm not supposed to feel this way.

I'm supposed to be happy. And it's very hard to reckon with that. And also loss of being able to like have your creative freedom as well. And it's like it's adding that into it. It's adding like just your identity. And it, I think that I don't know. It was just an interesting perspective. It sounds cool.

It sounds like the way you're. talking about it. It sounds like it's bringing up, I honestly, when I saw that the, I was thinking that this was going to be more like, this is probably a totally unfair comparison, but it reminded me of that other stupid dramatic movie with Harry Styles, Olivia Wilde, one where they all were spitting on each other. Oh, yes. Don't worry, darling. Maybe it's just because the names are similar. I think it might be, but also, it's also about a relationship that's going through interesting times. Yeah, and it had just like, I feel like it was just kind of stylistically, the the looks reminded me of each other.

But like everything that you're bringing up, I feel like is actually stuff that I would like to see talked about in, you know, pop culture more and not siloing off, you know, this is just something that you should only. I feel like I would have certainly my mental health would have been, I think,

better if this was something I had ever thought about once before experiencing it. You know, aside from how I thought about, which was couldn't happen to me, must only happen to people when it's their fault. You know, I had an extremely childlike, simplistic, you know, regressive way of thinking about it. And then I, and then what had happened to me, I was like, oh, this is different. And so I feel like, you know, if it takes J. Law and R. Pats to bring this discussion to the masses, I say, God bless it.

Well, I don't think it's going to the masses per se, because it is quite a spread on whether people like it or not. So I don't think it's getting, I was going to say, is it getting good reviews? Not really. It is, it's like 76% Critics score but then like 46% audience score But I think it's because it is Some people just don't like it Yeah

They're just like no, this is sad All of it's sad, I hate this And you know everybody's got a right to an opinion But you know what? Whose opinions would be wrong If you watched Frankenstein and said that this movie was shit It is two and a half hours long So I understand for a lot of people out there

Even I, I watched it in chunks. It's a beautiful movie. You loved it. I think this is, and you're not even, you are not a Guillermo del Toro stay on per se. You are like a, you like some, you don't like others. Yes. And I'm not, I am not a, you know, yet, you know, not all of it is for me. Even as a monster fucker.

A lot of people hated shape of water. People really hated shape of water. And yet it won a bunch of awards. So, you know, maybe Guillermo knows a lot more than we do. But what I do know is that he killed Frankenstein. Well, I mean, didn't kill Frankenstein. Technically, I guess he gave Frankenstein life. But Oscar Isaac is so wormy as Victor Frankenstein.

Now, I never read Frankenstein. Did you? I think I read it in high school, but I don't really remember. So, yeah, no, I'm not, I'm not a text I'm super familiar with. It's just so much more about, which, of. course, about how the monster of who's supposed to be the monster is really the most man of us all. The monster is man. The monster is the most man.

But Jacob Allorty, you know, he's such a big, like, refrigerator of a man that I feel like, and, like, so good and salt burn. I think that I still have, like, euphoria in my brain that I'm just like, but he's a bad. It's like, he's not a bad. He's just a bad in euphoria, Jack. like you must separate or else you're going to go crazy but he brings such a gentleness to Frankenstein and apparently like he was in the makeup chair for like six hours a day like before and then and then hours afterwards and everyone was just like Jacob Lordy was just the sweet like he is like a Frankenstein and he adopted this dog while they were

shooting it and now it's just his whole life he's just like my dog is my best friend and I love putting my all into this but he's not like doing shit like and I never stand for the months while shooting you know like he doesn't do it he's not doing any of that shit yeah yeah yeah just a beautiful oh my god mea goth it's a gorgeous movie it I mean watch it just for the cinematography alone It's beautiful. Yeah, I'm excited. I love Oscar Isaac. I would do anything for him.

You're not going to want to kiss him in this, though. It is not, I mean, he looked good, but you don't want to kiss him. And I did really like Saltburn. I brought up Saltberg last night to Gideon because Gideon was like, wait, who's Jacob Allorty? And I was like, you might remember him from Saltberg, but then I remember that Gideon, poor Gideon, only saw the first half of Saltburn. And the first half of Saltburn is really different than the second half of Saltburn. So he has no idea.

He has no, he's like, I don't really remember it. I'm like, oh, yeah, you, uh, we really missed out. Remember it? The second half of Saltburn is a different movie than the first half of Saltburn, Jackie. But are you going to drag Gideon? I saw, sorry, I saw the poster and I just saw it because I just clicked Jacob Lordy. I saw the poster for Wuthering Heights yesterday. Wuthering Heights.

And I was out front of the AMC and I'm like smoking a join. I'm looking at it. And Jeff's like, are you just smolderingly staring at that poster for Wuthering Heights? So it was like, oh, yeah. And he's like, we're going to have to see that movie, right? I was like, oh, yeah. Bargo Robbie and Jacob Blurney. Now, weren't people this talk about this?

Oh, yeah, everybody's mad about it. And I don't give a fuck. Why are people mad about it? I don't give a fuck. I don't care. I'm probably going to love it in the same way that I don't give a fuck that everybody keeps talking about the bride and how bad it's going to be. I don't give a fuck.

This is monster fuckers rise up. This is our time. We are being. validated. I need like a search engine where I can just search like why were people pissed off about we really need this. Yeah, we need that. Everyone was pissed off about Wuthering Heights and I just don't remember. But I'm sure I'll find out. I'm sure that discourse is going to come back. It's coming out early, early next year. Oh, I want it now. And it's coming out in 2026. I'm trying to see if I can find any information of why the audiences were angry. I bet Adam knows. Do you know why the audiences are

angry? Wait, wait. April, we're pausing the show. Pause the show. You don't have to talk on Mike. What happened? Yeah, we took a little moment to discuss with Adam because it is very funny. I was watching Brennan Lee Mulligan and apparently he and his wife also do the thing that I do with my husband as well as Adam and I do things like, except for Adam, it's anything media. And I go, Adam, you must know all about this. Tell me about it. And then he just gave me a great summary. And I do that with Jeff of, Jeff, how does the television work, you know, and he'll give me a little summary on it. Why use AI when you can just, you know, have people in your life that remember every facet of different portions of reality, so you never have to look anything up ever again? So essentially what's going on with Wuthering Heights, and I have never read it, so this is why we were not aware, is that Heathcliff is a person of color in the book and is played by Jacob Allorty in

movie that is no good and that Wuthering Heights if you read it is not gothithically erotic at all and so I guess that's why people that are oh the book the book people even though I was just yelling about how Frankenstein is great and that it is I mean it is more close to the book than usual but apparently yet really doesn't get what Wuthering Heights was doing fair and so a lot of Fair criticisms. I think these are fair things and I understand and I'm not going to be upset with people that choose to not see it. I am, however, going to still see it. Yeah. I think that I think we can, you know, also. Is this, am I too horny? Should I not? No. When I was Googling it, I was also reminded of about Heathcliff the cat. So you, you know, just bringing that in. Different, different. He is orange as well. And you can't just make a joke. Jacob All right? You got to go find yourself a fucking orange cat, aren't you?

I just remember that you. It's better not be Garfield. It better not be casting Garfield lookalikes, all right? Which one of you, I remember you and Marcus got in big fights about Heathcliff versus Garfield, but I don't remember who was team Heathcliff and who is team. You're team Garfield, you have a lot of Garfield art in your home. So you must be Team Garfield. Thank you for knowing this. Thank you. I'm never a Heathcliff. No, I'm not at all. I'm always Team Garfield. All right. But I also keep seeing the trailer for Hamnet. I,

MJ, there are times in this life, and I think that some of us could understand when you watch a trailer for something, and it, so this is like this beautiful romance. It is starring Jesse Buckley and Paul Meskell, and Paul Meskell is William Shakespeare, and it's about William Shakespeare,

writing Hamlet. And I want to, like, past me would watch this trailer and be like fucking dumb oh what do you want to go into the movie and watch all the love story who cares and there like there are two wolves that live in me mj and so i watch the trailer and i want to be pulled to be like make jokes fuck this you know we're hard we've never felt before in our lives and then there's the other much bigger part of me that is more taken control of my life that goes, oh, the love. And I also have to see it. It looks like a beautiful romance, MJ. And I hate that I want to see it. I'll see it. Yeah. I mean, I love

Paul Meskull. I love William Shakespeare. So I'll see it. That's all I need to know. That's it. That's all we have. That's all we needed. And we know that. Chloe Zhao did Eternals, and then, you know, that paves the way for a hamnet. You know, you got to do an Eternals every once in a while so that you can get a hamnet. Yeah. Yeah. And good for you, babe. I'm going to watch the frig out of it.

Yeah, well, this is good for me to know because I don't get out to the movie theater that much, but I do want to do it more. And so I might prioritize Hamnet overweathering Heights now due to this conversation. So thank you. And it probably would be best. I think that if you can only choose one, you know. Weather Heights is another one where I feel like I must have read it, but I don't remember it. I'm like, maybe I read a different Bronte sisters thing.

I know that I read Bronte. Yeah, Jane, maybe I read Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte. I don't know. It's one of those ones where I like. I do love Jane Eyre. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I know I read Jane. Sorry, this quote.

The director slash producer has publicly said there was, quote, no need to be accurate to the novel, calling it, quote, just a book. Okay. It's like you're doing the story of the book, bro. I think like you got a, I think it's not just a book at that point. Books that are like the canon foundation of American literature. What I'm boring. That the quote unquote, Bronte sisters are willing.

whatever. That's very funny. That is very funny. It's very funny. That reminds me of like when you're in English class in high school and you're reading like Emily Dickinson for the first time and there's like the boy sitting next to you that's like, I don't get it. Doesn't even rhyme. You know, like. Yes. And you're like, all right. All right. Fine. I'm fine that you don't get it.

You know what? It's not for you to get it. And I'm fine with that. get out of my sight they're so sorry that I just gushed about I just had a lot on my plate that I had seen that I needed to talk about because also we've been absorbing Welcome to Dairy which is the new It show on HBO which you know

I didn't think I was like all right more it you were skeptical at first I was skeptical oh I was skeptical it's fun MJ yeah man I will say if you don't want to watch a bunch of kids die probably not the show for you they are really killing these kids

and it's not that that's what i'm here for i didn't show up for the kid killing but i like that they are doing a multiverse they're essentially adding in multiple there's many characters from other Stephen king worlds and it seems that like all of this is going to be now they already did that over on Hulu. And I specifically remember Henry and Natalie, who are the biggest Stephen King fans that I know and understand the pros and the cons, they know, they're aware. I remember that show, they were, they liked it, but they were more middling on it. But they are enjoying this much more. I'm just happy to see that Bill Scarsgaard is there. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's in there. Oh, yeah. It's the same. It's the same.

about because yeah I feel like he's lightly clowning about right now it's a shadow of a clown uh-huh yeah I'm I'm not a I'm not a big it head but um but I am intrigued by welcome to dairy I love I love my I love me a scars guard oh when you look up welcome to dairy did you see yeah the balloon pop up Google the little balloon oh you creepy it is uh I think that it's fun though yeah it's definitely if you are down with the world of a Stephen King, if you are interested in the other worlds and how they're all going to shove them all together, check it out.

Yeah. Mr. Hollerins there. All right. How could you say no to that? Okay. Now, we're talking TV. Is it time to do dancing with the stars? It is just real quick.

MJ, alert, alert. I don't know if it was today or if it was yesterday the entire season of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season 3 has dropped. Oh, Christ. Are you kidding me? Oh, Christ is right.

Get those prayers out because we got 10 hour long episodes that we can absorb. Okay. And also the new Real Housewives, which I don't know if you have been watching the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City this season. Fucking slap soon. I know. We haven't. Everyone's like, why aren't you talking about Real Housewives? Oh, we're going to talk about the Soup Man?

Do you see the Soup Man fight? No. Oh, my God. Or when, oh, God, Brittany tried to throw water on Maryland. Meredith Marks, after Meredith Marks poured water all over her. And then she tried to go back. Meredith Marks, like, witch watered the back at her. It was like, you shall not pass.

And she fucking DJ Meredith Marks did back at her somehow, but then it got all over Bronwyn. And it was my everything. Yeah, I do need, I wish I could just like, you know, take a temporary leave of absence from my life to go your life, yeah. catch up on real housewives of Salt Lake City. Temporary lobotomy? Temporary lobotomy. Give it to me.

But I will make time for secret lives of Mormon wives. For some reason, that's just I'll stop everything. I'll do it. That's great because Jackie and I are both living in fear of when Dancing with the Stars ends, although I think we got a couple of weeks left and we'll probably be done with Secret Lives by then. But it's a good reminder that the TV that gives us a reason to live, there will always be another one, you know?

My problem is at what point do we stop reading memoirs and just throw all the reading in the trash and we just turn celebrities into watching past seasons of dancing with the stars. Okay, yeah, we'll do it. Okay, all right. Okay, we'll do it. We'll watch the Bindy Irwin season. Yes, we will find. We'll do it. Yes, because people are now just sending me because this week's episode is the 20th anniversary of Dancing with the Stars.

And I'm just realizing the iceberg of lore that we, I'm like, I'm like. tip. Honestly, props to all of you guys who are already dancing with the stars heads for like giving me and Jackie the grace to discover this because we all know what it's like to already know and to watch somebody like just learning about something that you already know, you have such a desire to be like, oh, you don't even know. Let me tell you. And none of you guys did that. You're like, let us get there ourselves. But that's why I also love Sherpa Cass the most because Sherpa Cass has been just like, she waits for me to ask. She wants to know my opinions before she gives hers. Like I really appreciate it because it's also, it's a guidance that when I say do we like

Pasha or do we not like Pasha, I have somewhere to go with these questions. But it does make so much sense for page seven because it's like I do feel like dancing with the stars is like this entity through which all celebrities must pass at some point. You know, I'm like, I remember and I didn't know at first I was like, Tom Bergeron, how do we feel about it? Turns out we feel great about it. Turns out he was done dirty by Tyra Banks. Now I'm learning. We're listening. We're learning. We're growing. And people are sending me old dances. And from years past that I'm like, wow, I think I need to do this. I want to see the situations season, even though we know that he was very high during that season. So I'm going to feel bad because it was during a hard time of his life. But maybe I do. Maybe that is how we spend our time, Jackie. Because the more I, the more I, the more. more I learn, the more I need to know. And when you discover something that makes you feel alive like this, lean into it. You got to chase it. You got to, you got to go after those rainbows

in your worlds, all right? We're looking for the pot of gold, and it might be at the ass end of dancing with the stars. I am, how quickly, I know that I've said this a couple times but now it's not only how quickly you become a pro yourself at understanding the judgment of dance, but also the amount of times I have to watch each, not each dance, but some of the dances. Oh, I rewind a lot. Oh, I've been rewinding. Oh, my fingers all that. Take it back now, y'all, but I need it one more time. If we could double that up, that'd be great. And that would say anything that fucking Dylan Efron touch as a bro. Yeah.

No, it was good. Dylan Ephron danced with Rumer Willis, who is a fantastic dancer. They have to be having sex, but they're not. They're definitely not. I think not. Wow, the electricity between them. Ruber Willis, fantastic dancer. And this is really, this is really.

what is so fun about dancing with the stars is that, you know, sometimes you're just like, I, oh, like, what if I would, you know, you asked me 10 minutes ago, is Rumor Willis a breathtaking dancer? I would have been like, I don't know, probably not. And so it's just so nice to see this part of someone, not that I know anything about Rumor Willis, aside from being Bruce Willis's daughter. But like, it's just so nice to be like, wow. For like three seconds and now I'm obsessed with her. And now I'm like, well, now I got to watch that entire Dancing with the Star season.

Okay, check. exactly exactly so I was just like wow I did not know that I could have such positive feelings about a celebrity who I had zero feelings about 10 seconds ago just by the power of dance and also like like it's amazing like all of these so what they did tonight is that the the 20th anniversary show is they not only had a lot of old pros come back birthday show MJ sorry 20th birthday they not only really quite understand like I didn't quite get it's like it's not the 20th anniversary it's not the 20th season was the 20th birthday. Yeah, it was a little confusing. Do they mean? Because it started in 2008, and it hasn't been 20 years since 2008. So I don't know what they mean.

But regardless. Maybe since I guess it is like the them of it. Also, also, also, maybe yesterday I decided while I watched Dancing with the Stars to hit up my older brother, Henry, to say, Henry, you know, this is, we're sleeping on Derek and Julianne. And I feel like if there is a brother-sister-siblingship that we need to take over, I think it's the two of them. I think that that's right. And I feel like if there are two people that were born for it, it's me and Henry.

I think that's right. And again, this is a good reason for us to go deeper into the lore because, yeah, there is like a serious brother-sister lore going on. But apparently, Cass was telling me it's like, in my head, I guess it yucked me out. And it was like, ew, what, do they have to touch each other? Ew! They're two dancers. Ew! cast saying that they would compete against each other.

They weren't dance partners. They're not like dancing together. And I guess that makes sense. I like, I'm glad about that. But there's also other siblings. Obviously, we learned a couple shows ago that Val has a brother Max.

There's a lot. Thank you to all of you guys who sent me the real of the person explaining the various marriage and sibling connections. It is truly like I wish I could print it out and make like a murder board of it because it is really. Really, really. Like Charlie Day, yes. But also, yeah, I mean, people are sending me all these old clips. Somebody sent me this morning, Shangela and, you know who Shangela's partner was? Oh, yeah.

Gleb. And Gleb did drag and looked fantastic. And so it's like, it's just, like, every dance I see ever from dancing with the stars I enjoy. And also seeing all these old, in addition to the pros coming back, they also had all these old winners come back. And that's really cool because it's like, oh, you just won a reality show 10 years ago. you're not a professional dancer, but you're just, you're in it for the love of the game. And you love dancing so much that now you're here and you learn an amazing dance in six days.

It's just so special to see people tap into this part of themselves. I just, it makes me so happy. It makes me so happy. Even watching, if you watch Robert Irwin's first dance, they were talking about it in the adjudication. His first dance versus the dance we saw him in, the first dance that Robert Irwin did. Because in this episode, they did the dances of. everybody and then they did these relay dances so what they did was they brought in rather than having them dance with their professional they brought in a past winner of the show to dance with

them in a relay against another competitor to see who could get extra points added to their score now I we need to discuss so of course who I mean not of course but who went head to head Dylan Ephron and Andy Richter, the heart of the show himself. And they were put head to head in a sexy dance off, which you'd say, that's not fair. You shouldn't do that to the two of them. But Andy Richter. Yeah. Wow.

He did a great job. Okay. Heart of the show. People's princess. They really did change it to People's Princess now that he's kicked off. And I find that interesting. and I want to discuss that shift. Like, has there in the past been a heart of the show and do they always shift into the

People's Princess when they're getting kicked off of the show? Because they said People's Princess a couple times. Yeah, yeah, they did. So they had to go sexiness up against each other. Andy Richter, I think, I hope for him, he felt as sexy as he was. I know. I know. I was really proud of him.

I know I was complaining last week that he needs to go home. And I am, spoiler alert. he's spoiler alert don't worry he gets it this week he does go home this week but like I also I this I'm such a loser I'm sitting here watching the kidding I'm like this is what the show's about my friend MJ this is what the show is all about it's what the show is all about he like he was trying so hard because every week they're like you know you're doing a great job like trying to like lose yourself a little bit more like get into character more and so he's doing like was it a tango and they're he's just like he's he is bringing um

like a real, he's like really getting into it in a way that you're like seeing this totally different part of Andy Richter and it was very, very sweet. And yeah, I'm now Dylan Ephron pilled. Wow. Wow. Dylan Efron has such a visible complex about about not being Zach Efron. Like he's always like, I'm not an actor. I'm not an actor. And I just want to be like, buddy, you just be yourself. You're doing great. You're wonderful to compare yourself. I did see a few memes that were very funny because Robert Irwin had to apparently he was supposed to do this big function with Prince William

and he had to cancel it because he's still on Dancing with the Stars and he didn't expect to still be on Dancing with the Stars. So he had to cancel it. So Prince William called into the show. Zoomed it. I know. I was rolling my eyes. Okay, I was cringing, but I will say

I did smile a couple of times at the memes. And the memes that were like, oh, so Robert Irwin can get Prince William to zoom in, but Dylan Ephron can't even get his fucking brother to zoom in. And it made me feel sad for Dylan Ephron. I also about, you know that I had had like a little bit of wine by the time I was watching this episode because I was like rolling my eyes super hard at Prince William. And then also you know just how happy the show makes me.

I was like, I guess this is kind of cute. And I'm like, no, don't ever say anything. I smiled to royal family. But I will, I was, I guess I'll say this, I was surprised by how charming Will was given his reputation as the staggy, staggy much, yeah. Yeah, but he, it was, I thought it was very sweet. And while, yeah, it very cringe and a little forced, I was happy that it happened because it made Robert Irwin a smile.

It did. And I don't expect Robert Irwin to have like an anti-colonial, you know, criticism of Prince William. I just, I'm sure he does. He just has to keep it. quiet. I hope. I don't know. Again, I just don't know what to expect. I just, I just think he's a lovely young man. I just, I look at his mom and I'm just like, what's your secret for raising such fantastic kids? How do you do it? And he did, Robert Irwin did his, what was it, he did the dance

that his sister, was it the song that his sister did the dance to. It was the song that his sister did with Derek Huff, who is, who was his sister's partner and who is now a judge. And we're going after the Zabrowski's V. Huff's, all right? 2026. I'll see me on the fucking dance floor. And then they showed to his, honestly, I was actually like, they should. You imagine me dancing with Derek and Henry dancing with Julia. Like, I imagine us trying so desperately.

We need to manifest this. We need to stick, you know, extend, extend. Like, I just want to scream. Extension! at Henry. Yeah, but what I was thinking about, oh, yeah, they showed a clip, like, when Robert Irwin finished the dance, they, like, projected a video of his late father with hit the little kids onto the floor.

And Robert Irwin was very surprised and, like, burst into tears. And that seemed very genuine. And I was like, that was, I feel like, kind of emotionally manipulative. I think it's a little mean to do that. I think that, like, you are live in front of millions of people. do we get it. He's sad that his fucking father is dead. He's very sad about it. Do we need to do that? Like, he didn't know. But the thing, yeah, the thing that really struck me, we always talk about when we talk about reality shows, how on the one hand, it seems like these people are insane because they get so wrapped up in it. Like I'm thinking, you know, love is blind or like when people kind of arrive to a show, traitors, I'm sure is similar. And then they get so close and so intense and the emotions run so high. But then it's like, you know, love is blind. But then it's like, If you ever think about, you know, doing, if you went to summer camp, if you did a musical when you were, you know, like if you did a retreat or something and how these relate, and like that's what's going on, obviously with Cynthia and Cynthia Revo and Ariana Grande, where it's just like, well, you worked on something so close. So even if it was a short period of time, you can develop these really intense relationships, right? Like, but I mean, with Dancing with the Stars, they are there, week after week after week, working together six days a week. It's like a relationship. building, you know, like, it's like fast track.

And so the fact that all of them are married to each other and they're all sucking and fucking makes so much sense because it must be like horny high school theater experience on Coke, you know? Yeah. Oh my God, especially when they brought in the relay dance partners, the internet became inflamed with the people that they brought in. specifically Apollo Ono, who everybody was very, I remember the Olympic craze, and everybody was talking about the dance that he had with Jordan Childs. And you know what? And I did text us to you, MJ, did you show Gideon, she only does flips Oliver the dance that Jordan Childs did because that Chacha was on fire?

It was a great dance. I didn't show him because he wouldn't have watched. But I did tell him that you were dragging him. Good. Thank you. He stood by it. Thank you. And please let him know I'm doing it publicly now as well.

She doesn't just do flips. She's also very, my God, a chacha. Good Lord. I guess I'm a cha chacha fan as much as I am an Argentine tango fan. And that is what I have 100% learned from this show. The Argentine tango, that's what Dylan, Ephron, and Whitney from Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, that was the style of dance they both did, which is pure sex. And it's all the like knee work and like the legs going out, the legs going out, the sweet, the sweet.

And it's so like, I can't imagine keeping it all that, like, tight and erotic. Yeah, yeah, the Argentine tango is really cool. And then, yeah, I think another surprise. He had it coming. He had it. I was like, yes, bitch! Yes, bitch!

I was just scream. The problem is that I was screaming at the television. I know. And now I'm going from being like quietly, big smile in awe to actually like screaming like I am watching the football game. Like I am, I am losing my mind. I know. This is my football. And now I'm worried I'm going to go into Secret Lives of Mormon Wives like rooting for Whitney.

And I can't. Oh, we're rooting for Whitney. Oh, we're rooting for a Whitney. We have to. I'm not a monster. Like, unless she has become a better person through this process, which is possible. Dance can do amazing things. But, like, I have such cognitive dissonance when I watch her because I'm like, I would watch you do anything.

You are a breathtaking dancer. But then I'm like, but I know you're a terrible person. I know. I know. But a dedicated terrible person. So what are you supposed to do? Yeah. You know, you want to lift her up.

And I did, you know, I was saying to cast that I do hope that her gay husband has sex with her after that Argentine tango because I feel like it is such, you know, wow, pure sex that I feel like he's probably going to give it up a little bit. Man, talk about how dry I became after watching the Dylan Ephron Andy Richter relay that was so fun, both of them so sexy, both of them bringing it. And then you went to the like sock hop with Robert Irwin and fucking Alex Earle. And they were just like, I mean, bunga, boom, buggy, bikung, goodbye. I was like, you're going to do this after a Vienese waltz? Yeah, yeah. Who cares?

They were a little hippity hoppy buddies. I don't want to watch that fuck. I like the jive, but I understand you need it to be hornier. I am not surprised that you like the Paso Doble, that you like the Argentine tango. I also am going through this reckoning with how, like, when I first started watching, I was extremely dismissive of Alex Earle because her credit is influencer, right? Like, her credit is social media person, TikTok person. And I had a little bit of a curmudge reaction about that.

And I was like, oh, that's not telling. And I feel like this has happened before where people get famous online and then they perform live. And I'm shocked. And I'm like, that's not how you become. famous, you have to become famous through the traditional paths. And then now I'm just like, I guess I have to open my heart to the fact that these people who become famous for doing social media often are very talented. And perhaps, well, social media, I do think is bringing about their forum, many bad things in our society. I also understand there is, it's kind of cool. I mean,

it's not like Alex Earle is, I mean, she is the child of the person who, Elliot Spitzer, slept with. So she's not, it's not like she doesn't have any connections to, but it just, it's, there's a democratizing force happening when you can be like, I got famous for making things in my house with my phone. And I am actually so talented that if you put me in front of a, in a live show, televised live show in front of a live audience, I actually do have the charisma to completely hold my own, which I am very impressed with. I, she's doing a wonderful job. And it, to a point that, I don't know. I almost wanted to watch live and vote this.

I am worried that I'm going to get to a point that this is going to happen. I do want you to know that I did further look into the 20th birthday party. 20th birthday party, it wasn't random. It is because Dancing with the Stars premiered in 2005. Oh, 2009 5. But it is season 34 and some of the seasons, there are two seasons in some years. That makes sense. have spring and a fall. So rather than saying like, oh, it's not our 34th anniversary, it is

actually our 20th birthday. Okay, that makes, I'm sorry, the internet lied to me. It told me that the first episode aired 2008, but it was wrong. It lied to you. Yeah. But also maybe this is lying me. Who knows? We never know. I don't know. When you do a quick search, you don't always know the truth. And will we ever know the truth about the fact that, am I bringing this up? The fact that Megan Markle was deleted from the Chris Jenner birthday party pictures and we'll never know why. We'll never know.

Sorry, this has just been the only headline for the last two days. It's just been like, why was she taking out of the pictures? Where were the pictures? The pictures from the 70th birthday party. But where is Megan Markle in the pictures? She was in the pictures, but now she's not in the pictures. Way out of the pictures and I, it's really,

it's really crazy. This is what I cannot, I cannot trust my own analysis when it comes to pop culture because earlier this week I was like, fuck anyone who went to that stupid fucking party with that nightmare family. And now I'm like, they deleted her from the pictures. That is me. And so I contain multitudes. I don't know. If it were me, I would say, please. A plus actress. How did it? A literate an A plus actress who can't stop drinking. I also think that if it were me in those pictures, I would want my self

photoshopped out. Maybe she's ashamed that she went to the party. Who knows? Maybe she doesn't want people talking about it. Who knows? Who knows? knows, and we're probably never going to know. But I do, I did want to bring up, this is just a clip, and I don't know if you've seen it. Maya Hawke is on Amy Poller's podcast, like it was on Amy Polar's podcast, right? And we're talking about the Uma Thurman advice because Maya Hawke's mom is Uma Thurman. But I'm actually bringing up a clip that I just happened to see on social media yesterday. And of course, there are a thousand reasons of why it was put to me on my algorithm. And it was Maya Hawke trying to explain the fourth wing series to Amy Poehler.

And it gave me, it did also make me think about you, MJ. I think about you a lot in the wild of the way Amy Poehler was like, a dragon college. Okay. And like Amy Bowler's just like looking it up like, wow. Oh, they do what? Oh, oh, it's a school for fighting. Oh, oh, there's romance. Oh, and the way that Amy Boller, it just made me think of any time I talk to, also really just any of my friends, especially my parent friends, that look at me, was just like, oh, you have the time to just sit and read all this fucking smut?

Okay. No, I'm sure a lot of horny moms are reading it. But I think it's very nice that you now have both Dillon Afron and Maya Hawk in your world. You know, I think that, I mean, maybe Maya Hoc. Huck and Dylan Ephron are going to listen to your romancesy. They probably already are. And yeah, they probably already are. That's right.

Thank you. And they are actually. Thank you for lying there. I need, like in this friendship, it is built on a foundation of lies, but like beautiful lies. But fourth wing is not, fourth wing, yeah, you can get into it. It's a different world than Akitar. It is the only thing that I will say about fourth wing is that the name of the really

sexy person, like the boy and the last name is Ryerson and it always makes me think of Ned Ryerson from Groundhog Day and I think about it too often and to a point that I thought I couldn't listen to the second fourth wing because

I couldn't keep thinking about Ned Ryerson but I got past it I haven't seen Groundhog Day in years but the name Ryerson lives Ryerson. Watch out for that first step. It's a doozy.

And I think about that, too many times. You know, Groundhog Day, another one of the many movies that we can just quote and never make sense. And we bring it up a lot. I would guess we bring up Groundhog's Day at least twice a year on page seven. Yeah, I mean, yeah. I mean, it kind of is kind of the beauty of a Groundhog Day. I mean, I feel like this is a guy keeps coming back up. You're welcome.

It sounds like it was an effective movie. Thank you, Groundhogs Day. But yeah, I guess, you know, I did include an article because Hilaria is still out there talking about dancing with the stars. And she just keeps being like, you know, it was actually a really rough to be dancing with the stars. It's like, all right, okay, all right, okay. It's really rough for Hilaria. And I feel like if everyone, if we could rewatch the Baldwin's to remind ourselves, it's hard out here forever. Alaria. Also, I'm reading this article and I'm like, okay, what podcast, what media hit did she get? Nobody wants to talk to her. It was Tori Spelling's Misspelling podcast. And I just think that really gives you an indication of who wants to talk to her. Although, give me an opportunity. Alaria, I know that you're listening. I know that after all this, you want to prove us wrong. Come on our show. She's obsessed with her haters. She could be listening. She posts so many memes, Jackie. I have to unfollow her on Instagram. I can't stop.

though because there's so many that it's just like stitch incoming stitch incoming and it is someone making fun of her and then her going oh you mean this and then like her trying to prove her doing a dance being like oh i'm faking this and it's so honestly it has gone so deep into the fucking paint that i actually um i think it's i think i'm i'm starting i'm worried i'm starting to love her I'm worried she hates her haters so much that I'm starting I'm drinking the hate her I that's a better mind because right now it's just making me so mad the amount of things she posts that are like either I went to go check and see if I could recreate them but they're all stories but it's all like it's all like um you know those who would stand

those who would try to dim your light are only trying to steal your light for themselves like shit like that and I'm like bitch people just don't like that you pretend it to be from Spain. That's it. It's not that complicated. Yeah, it's not. It's really not. It's what people keep saying over and over again. You keep being like, why do they keep bringing it up? It's like, because that's the thing. People are afraid of a powerful woman. So they try to take them to. It's like she. I mean, they are, but they are. But not you because of it. Exactly. You're just a liar. People are like a liar. Oh, everything she posts is either a, I love it though. Honestly, if you want to be angry towards something that's not our current

reality. Follow. She's a great hate follow. It's kind of therapeutic. It is. She's a really great hate follow. She's a great hate follow. She will post pictures of her children like with their like camp shirts on with their identifying information. You know where to find them every day. You know where to find them. She reposts like fan photo compilations of her children, which is just so fucked up. She'll post memes that are like everyone wonders why moms are overstimulated. Meanwhile, they're over here keeping the family together. I'm like, bitch, you chose to have seven kids. Like, at you guys. And whatever. All parents can complain. All people can complain about their life, whatever. But like, I just think it's very funny to be like, I did this psychotic number of children in a small amount of time because I wanted to be a influencer. And now I will just post memes about like, nobody understands an overstimulated mama. And oh, I also will say it's different than the conversation we were just having about die my love. I do feel it is a little different when coming from an alaria. Just throwing that out there. It is different coming from a hilaria. and is that hypocritical?

I don't know, but I can't explain it. Yeah, maybe, but I'm fine with it. She is just, like, stepping on her children. It's like the Seinfeld episode where George pushes the old lady out of the way to get out of the fire. Like, I just feel like, she is like, I picture Hilaria Baldwin, like, making a pie. Like, she's trying to get in the picture, in the camera frame. And she's just, like, making a pile to stand on of her own children.

She's just like, I'm going to post your every vulnerable moment. I'm going to, like, talk about what you're going through in a way. You've got to stop, girl, and... Or is she just starting? And then be like, sometimes people try to bring you down, but it's because they're afraid of your strength. Stop. Stop. Just stop.

Oh, my God. Just stop. And, you know, Alaria, we're going to leave you in those weeds, all right? We're just going to say, that's where we're going to leave this episode. Just stop. Adios. Sometimes you just got to stop. You know, it would be easier.

Maybe don't look at it. You know, just put it down. Put your phone down the way. Aaron Paul is not looking at his phone around his daughter anymore. Good job, Aaron Paul. Because his daughter said, Daddy, don't be on the phone anymore. And he said, oh, my God, I'm on the phone. I have to put my phone.

And now he's being like, oh, look at me. I don't use my phone around my daughter because it makes her upset. I feel like that's a weird flex. It's like it's just, it's like celebrity parents sharing like mildly. interesting insights that most of us have already had. Same with Dax Shepard being like, I want my girls to talk back to authority. So I tell them that they can talk back. Good job, Dax. That's great. A lot of us have thought of this, but I'm glad that this sounds good for you. Yeah. Aaron Paul, oh, did you know that you should try to give your kids your full attention?

Oh, sure. Good job, Erin Paul. Thank you. That's great. All right. Good job. Thank you so much. Thank you, Aaron Paul. Thank you for opening all of our eyes and now we're all going to put our phones down and now we're not addicted to it anymore that's it's all you to do why didn't you just make this decision earlier mj it's not bad advice you know it's fine no it's very good advice you are right i just feel like it is a little bit like well i didn't even have to look at my thing yeah you know yes no it is just giving um privilege it is given a lot there's it's given lots but it's given a lot you know what we're given a lot of love and it's going to

going right out to you guys. And I hope that you enjoyed this episode of second helpings because I'm all full up. And yeah, we did get a lot. And I'm, you know what? I'm proud of us. I don't think we did apologize for talking about dancing with the stars this week. I think it took us only how many weeks? Eight weeks. Yeah, I mean, we're almost to the semifinals. But yeah, I think, but we stopped apologizing. Girl, stop apologizing. Yes, we do have to stop apologizing. Although, don't get me wrong. I'll apologize immediately the second you ask me to. Yeah.

No, no, no. I'm still a people pleaser through and through. But that's okay for a moment we can pretend like we're not. And everybody jump on our bandwagon, all right? We're not people pleasers this week, okay? We're just like a laria. We don't care. We just don't stand in our light.

No. Stop trying to take away our strength. And it's because you're scared. And it's because you're running scared. And I'm glad Jennifer Lawrence made the movie. I'm glad. I think we all should be scared. We should start scolding our haters more often. It always works.

It's a great look all the time. Popping them on the nose. Everybody loves that. And everybody, have a great week. We're going to make it through the holidays. I hope that you are, you know, we're going to have smiles. Everything's going to be great. And we love you so much. We're going to be back next week.

And I am excited about it. And don't worry, there is going to be on Second Alpings next week, more Dancing with the Stars conversation. You can follow me on Instagram at Jack That Worm because my name is Jackie Zabrowski. We have also our Patreon, our patreon.com slash page 7 podcast. Shit is hopping off. I am so upset that I'm not currently reading Sookie Stackhouse. Not that I dislike spending time with UMJ.

You mean like at this moment? Because you are currently reading it for the Patreon. No, I'd like to actually be literally reading it right now. Yeah, yes. But I can't. And we're also, everybody was right. Buffy is a perfect show. And we are now careening towards the end of season five.

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