Page 7 - Second Helpings - I Don't Feel Anything

Episode Date: June 12, 2026

This week on Second Helpings, Jackie is talkin' to Mr. Knick MJ as they got that BBAL FEVER, just like everyone in NYC also, Mariska Hargitay was at the game, and so was Swift with the Haim sistas! Jackie has started the new season of "Love Island" and its even more insane than past seasons, there's a new show out called "Alice and Steve" that's got Jackie up in her feels, and Jackie watched the trailer for the "scientifically accurate" upcoming film "Whalefall." Jackie's all caught up on RHORI! and she can FINALLY tell them apart by their craziness, MJ's still busy with "Spider Noir" and "Widow's Bay", but they DID watch Gwyneth Paltrow's new ad for luxury real estate in Tel Aviv, and also in GOOP news, she had an AI dweeb on her podcast. The new T Swift Toy Story song is BOOOOOOOOORE-OOOOOOOOOOOOOO SNOOOOOOOOOOOOORE-OOOOOOOOOOOOO, a school Principal got suspended for "Trap Queen" yearbook quote, Fetty Wap sent her flowers and a note! In a recent "Actors on Actors" Tracy Morgan seemingly proved he's never played a character in his life, he's just that insane, Evil Skinny Lizzo squirted out a new album, and MJ's got a shout out to all the bright eyes heads, but sadly the NYC show got rained out! Adam however, got to experience both albums, and Mary Steenburgen called Ted Danson while he was on John C Riley's podcast and they all chatted, plus even more on this weeks Second Helpings! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Oh, my gosh. And it's filled with celebrations. Uh-oh. The balls are balling. The dribbles, dribbling. The balls are in the hoops. And they're out of the nets. And they're on the floor.

And they're screech, screech, screech. And it's a game. It's winning the game. And you have the game. And we're happy for you. Yes. That's my Knicks have one game song for you, MJ. Yes.

Thank you. Thank you. I know, guys, I know everything is very shitty and sucky. And I keep thinking of the tweet that I posted on my Instagram that was like, oh, look at New York with its excellent mayor and its likable basketball team that's doing very well. Fuck off. You know, it's like so I understand. That is how the rest of the country feels. Yes, but although we are happy for your happiness. Thank you. I know I'm a Johnny come lately before you come in a don't you don't have to tell me. I. watched exactly two Nick's games. And now you are Mr. Nick. And I love this journey for you. I am over here like, well, of course Jalen Brunson's gonna, you know, I'm trying to like,

you're saying names. Oh, yeah. Phrases from like the 1993 version of NBA jam that my brother and I had on Nintendo, you know, from downtown. And like, you know, different basketball phrases. Is that when they say when they throw it from the other side of the court?

I think from downtown, just means from like a three-pointer or or or or yeah but I again I learn it all from NBA jam and but I did hear them saying it last night and I was like oh NBA Jam told me the truth but yes I am there's been four as of recording there's been four games in the next finals and I haven't even watched all of them I've watched two and my life has been changed for good is it for good are you now so do you feel that this is going to continue into are you a B-baller now this happens every time I watch the NBA finals. I'm like, this is excellent.

I should watch more basketball and then I forget. But I mean, yes, New York loves to have a thing that brings it together. It's beautiful. But I will say it's crazy. On the outside as someone that is, I am a forever New Yorker, but seeing it from a city that barely didn't have another reality star on its ballot, I just feel a sense of like, fuck you. I know. I know. I know. Believe me. The fact that there's videos that the Nix...

But I'm happy for you. The NICs not only win this incredible game where, you know, long story short, they were behind the entire game, entire game with one and a half minutes left in the fourth quarter, they took a one point lead, and then they lost it again, the lead. And then with one second left, they got the one point lead back. It is very fun. And it's... And so the fact that they had... Were they fighting the wizards? They were not fighting the wizards. Oh, I wish they were playing ball with magic. Yeah, no.

And then you're like, oh, what? But it's like an airbud moment where they magic the ball into it. And they're like, what? We didn't think you were those guy to wizards. Yeah. I mean, there was some basketball skill wizardry going on last night at the end of the fourth quarter of this next game. But the fact that that happens and then there's immediately videos of people at a bar and it pans over to Zorrizzar. on in the back of the bar cheering.

I am like, we have entered an alternate reality where not everything sucks just in this city. Just in that one city. That's why. And then it really makes you realize how bad things have been for so long. It's been 10 years since. So bad out here, MJ. I just want to let you know.

No, I know. I know. But it's like, but it's been 10 years since the 2016 election. And I think since then our brains have just been like hardened into petrified wood. Yes. Of upsetness, you know. And so when I see. George Washington's teeth.

Exactly. Exactly. So that's why, yes, I did spend most of the game yelling Taylor Swift is a curse last night because at first Trump was the curse, obviously, on the Monday night game. And then they were losing the entire time. And I was like, Taylor Swift, why are you here? You're making it about you. Get off the stage, girl. But then they won.

And so maybe she's not a curse. Maybe she's a blessing. Oh, like death is your gift? Death is your gift. You think it's like that kind of thing? Yeah. I mean, maybe Mariska Hargertay. is the gift.

She's been at a lot of these games. Every celebrity is there. We all saw the picture, too, of Tay and Mariska. And Mariska does look like she just got back from NOM. But it was a basketball game. It is the Olivia Benson face. We've all seen her make that face 4,000 times. And it's usually when she's talking about her mother being the product of a rape on Law & Order SVU.

Which is often. Often. She brings it up every episode. And then we watched her actual documentary about her actual mother, and you realize, wow, Olivia Benson, Mariska Haggertay, who's who, you know. Wow. Imagine after all these years, she kind of feels the same way. Yeah, I think that's true. I always, she's, she's New York's luckiest actor, you know, to have to have that job. And now she's like, she's like, I'm the face of New York City. I'll be at every Knicks game. Stand back Spike Lee and Timothy Chalabay. I'll be courtside as well.

And with my girls with their matching pun shirts. Yes, with my Taylor with her Stevie Nix shirt and the Hame sisters with their nickel back. And I forget what the other one was. Oh, I get it. See, you know, you've got your Nix and you're winning. But while you're watching your Nix win, I was busy watching six women being blindfolded. All right. They're all wearing white lingerie.

Okay. Then think of six men in white underpants and they are all handcuffed to one large bed. And let's say that the six women in the white lingerie, they've got a bunch of paint in their pockets. And they are led blindfolded by Ariana Maddox to the big bed for them to find which man is theirs on the bed. They didn't say how. And once you find them, you handcuff yourself. to them. And then while this is happening, you're supposed to be putting your paint everywhere so everyone knows where you've been. But what happens if while you're being blindfolded and you're

trying to find your man via kiss, by the way, because only one of them chooses to just feel their hair to see which one is which to find which one. The rest of them go right for the mouth, no, only for the mouth. Yeah, miles are much more similar than hair, you know? While this is happening, M.J. bombshells are entering the villa, unbeknownst to the women that are currently blindfolded making out with the men. And they are going in between and making out with the men in between the blindfolded women making out with them. And that's coming from downtown. From downtown. Or the other one, what is it?

Bing bong. Bing bong, yeah, I'm bing bonging bonging. Oh, oh, I'll tell that to my downstairs. Bing-Mong, it's ringing the doorbell from down here. That's what's, it was absolute, this is my Knicks. This is your, my Maris Mosul and my bagels, Jewish, the Pope's on our side, Knicks and Five. How do they find? And then all of a sudden the girls take off the blindfolds and they're like,

who was red? Who was red? And they didn't know that the bombshells were red. And their, meanwhile, they're handcuffed to their part. partner blindfolded while they're hearing them right next to them, hearing them make out with other people. And so, like, why are you looking disgusting? I'm just playing Nick's highlights reels in my head. Oh, oh, and thinking about, because I don't know if you understand how big this bed was because I feel like it was as big as the court, I think. I'm trying to picture the bed. I'm trying to picture the bed. I'm trying to picture them

and handcuffed to the bed. When you said underpants, that's a pretty evocative word. Was it like tidy whitties? So they had the option of wearing boxers or boxer briefs. Okay. So they had, they were all given an option and that was it. No other clothing options, but. Uh-huh. All right. And then the, yeah, it sounds, I got to say, I, I know that you didn't just describe human centipede, like, really in any way, but it just, it's all the, like, bodies crawling all over each other. All covered in paint. And half of them are, line folded. Yeah.

And there's other strangers in between and they don't know that they're there. It sounds like something that Mariska Hagerte would would stumble upon. Yes. And then fall terrified into the arms of, you know, Elliot Stabler and or Taylor Swift. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It is, um, these, it's, it's special in the villa, MJ. And this is this, you have the Knicks. I have my villa phenomenon.

People have begun the voting process. I won't do it. I will not download the app. I think that same with Dancing with the Stars. It's where I draw my line. I can't start getting that level of invested. And I say this probably only because I watch it by myself. If I were watching this with literally anyone else,

I probably would have the app. I probably would be voting. But in this first voting round, MJ, I find it a little weird because these are the, the bombshells that just came in and America chooses who the bombshells are going to be with. And I feel not that, you know, I'm not saying it's against consent. I just feel like it is such a, it's such a, a Pandora's box, you know, that it's just given to millions of people to make this choice. And I don't know if they actually have a choice, you know, let's be real, how much of it.

is just designed by the producers. But I do think that they wait for the vote. Like, I imagine they do look at the votes, right? Yeah. And it's, I've, even the phrase America chooses, again, very evocative. Is it America? Are they choosing? And is it weird to choose, yeah, who fucks?

I feel comfortable voting for who did a better dance, but I don't feel comfortable voting for who should fuck who. Well, they don't have to fuck, but they will be sleeping in the same bed. Yeah, I mean, we know they're going to be, they're going to be hobbing on knobs, you know, it's not going to be, we're voting, we're essentially voting for who to, who gets to fuck who. It is, I will say, I do think, I'm calling it now, I think that Trinity and Bryce, it is this couple that at first they were like, this is the one with the age gap where she's like, he's so old because he's 29 years old. I also want you to know MJ and I am spoiling this as we go, cops already been kicked out of the villa. He left his fucking job and now he's been kicked out of the villa. And the mayor is like, I guess you can try to get your job back.

Oh, buddy, you got publicly ashamed for being a bad cop. Bye. Already gone, dude. And it's so funny because like Kenzie, like the one that didn't know if dragons were real, the one that just got her nursing degree, the one that I was like, this is definitely like Holden's range of what he's looking for. She had literally said, like, she's like, I just need like a cowboy to come in. I need a cow, I need my cowboy.

And then the cowboy came in. And I've never seen, I don't know if I've actually ever seen a woman hunt a man so fast before in my life. I was just like, wow, that's how, that's how beautiful people do it. Oh, they just go in there and they just get it, huh? Wow. So, okay. So to go back to the democracy element. If, okay, so the nurse who believes in dragons, which, you know, I have no problem with that.

I want the person taking my vitals to also have an open mind when it comes to the existence of dragons. That's fine. If she wants to fuck the cowboy, but America, the democratic process leads her to be with somebody else, then what are, what are her options? What sort of feudal, you know, dowry system is this where we're going to go poach him? assigning women to men. No, then she's got to go get him. Then she's got to go, then she's got to go steal them.

Gotta go steal. Gotta go get him. I'm pretty sure America's going to set her up with this guy. I mean, she wants it so bad. I want to know the rate of voting for a show like Love Island or even a show like Dancing with a Stars compared to the rate of voting in like U.S. elections, you know, because we all know that we have like a horrific turnout problem. And I'm wondering, maybe we bring this America Votes concept together.

and it's like common vote for the L.A. mayor, and while you're at it, you can decide whether or not Kenzie gets to fuck the cowboy. No, because then I'm worried they're going to fucking vote for Spencer Pratt anyway. That's the problem. No, you can't have reality stars on it. They shouldn't. It's just, honestly, I'd rather vote for New York. If I'm going to vote for a reality star, I'm putting her to the top. That's not true. She's fucking bad shit. Yeah, no, I don't actually mean that. Yeah, well, I'm happy for you. And what I really love about Love Island is, That it is like you're busy every night.

You're coming back with every time I speak to you, you have so much more to report because there's just so many hours of love. Six days a week. Yeah, this is a part-time job. It is, I have to watch my idiot aquarium. I only refer to it as idiot aquarium outside of the microphone. And I, yeah, and every episode is over an hour long, MJ. That's so much reality TV. Think of how much they have to shoot.

MJ, all right? And also now my entire algorithm is just villa. It's secrets about the villa. It's what's going on in the UK villa. And so I am seeing all this. I, I'm about to sidestep the villa because this is, this was like an, it was after watch, like after I left my idiot aquarium. And I, you know, not that I, not to bring another miniature wife conversation to the forefront of this. And this is in a. different way than miniature wife. I saw that Jermaine Clement was in, is in a new show. And I was like, oh, hell yeah. I'd love to see this. I watch a trailer for it. I don't know

exactly who wants to watch this and maybe I'm just not the demographic for it. But it is called Alice and Steve. And I watch the trailer for Alice and Steve. And it is all about Jemaine Clement and Nicola Walker are like forever best friends.

It's like a me and Holden, but in us in 20 years, right? Or 15 years from now. And his best friend Alice has a full grown daughter in her 20s. Okay. And the entire show is about her best friend, like my Holden, fucking my adult daughter. Oh, God. And that's what the whole show is. Ooh.

Yeah, I don't know how it's. consensually, like they're both in love with these. Like, it's not like, it's not one of those. And she is an adult. Yeah. And the whole show is about, then how do they have a friendship? But I, and so that's why I'm not like, I'm not miniature wife levels of like, why is this being made?

Right. Because even though that's like a very uncomfortable idea, it also, it could be a fantastic story, which apparently allegedly miniature wife also was. It was a friend. How big was that chocolate bar? They had to make a chocolate bar six feet big for her. But this is one of those times where I can be like viscerally uncomfortable with the plot and yet the plot might still be very good. Right.

Because the thing is that it's written by the woman that did sex education and I love sex education. So that's the thing. I know that this is good. That's why I'm saying it's different than miniature wife. Yeah. But in watching it, I was like, I don't want to watch this guy. And I was like, wait. So he was like a whole, like in my brain, I'm like, like a holden was like, so does it?

And then I, Britain was like, so I would assume that that means he was like a father-esque figure, right? Like for most of her, like, or like in her life in that capacity, right? And I just went on such a spiral. And it was just so funny because Jeff was like, love islands fine, but this is where you draw the line. I was like, I guess it is where I draw the line. narrative comedy written by a great writer with great actors in it. I think that what's happening, Jackie, is that you're specifically triggered by this because it is too similar to you and Holden. I think that it's, I think that you latched on to, this is me and Holden.

Yes, it's me and Holden. You just can't live in this, in this fictional world. And that's fine. Not every fictional world is for us to enter. No, it's not, I just know that like, sometimes when I feel this way and I'm like, I know that it's bad. I bet this is a great fucking show though. Like, that's why I'm upset with myself, but I'm like, but I'm never going to watch it. Yeah, yeah.

And that's fine. A lot of fictional worlds aren't for me to enter, which reminds me, I did want to tell you that we had some AC guys over at the house to fix the air conditioner. And one of them asked my young children, one of them heard, to be fair, he heard my kids say, that was terrifying. And he said, oh, did you say terrifying? Do you like the movie, uh, Terrifier? Or what's it called the cloud one? Terrifier. Yeah.

And I was like, they haven't seen that movie. And, oh, you're, oh, you're, your, your children. You're like a child's children. Okay. Yeah. So I was, um, that would have been a choice if you had. I was, I was surprised to have terrifier come up in conversation as we talked about like what the kids like to watch. But it did come up.

And that is a word. try to sell it to you. I said, we don't really like scary movies. And especially that type of scary movie, that's not like, no, I think, you know what, I think that the kids would love it to see a naked woman held upside down so the tits are falling in her face. But then he cuts her via pussy, like all the way through. MJ, like it's good. You learn about anatomy. You learn about, like, how a body is built. I don't even want to hear you talk about Terifier. That's how much I don't want to watch Terrifier. But he does it in a zany way, MJ.

Like, I feel like he is like a clown about it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know, I love clowning. We talked about that last week. MJ? I'm still not going to watch Terrifier. All right. Nor are the children.

But will you be too scared to watch whale fall? This is Whaleful. I've made the Adele Skyfall reference of the movie Whale fall that I watched the trailer for yesterday. I've been making the joke ever since. The joke is for no one. It is only for me. And it's a whale fall.

And that's, because that's all I remember from this song, Skyfall. Yeah, that's all I remember from Skyfall as well. But of course I knew that immediately upon hearing the whale fall, I knew you were going to do Skyfall. Thank you. Now, I feel like I need to watch the trailer while you're talking about it. I think that it is, oh, I, I don't. don't know if a movie's ever been made more for me.

It looks so insane because for some reason, all right, MJ, it's based on a book. Okay. It is based on a book about a scuba diver while searching for the remains of his father gets swallowed alive by a whale. Okay. And then attempts to escape. The entire movie, it seems, is him trying to escape from being inside of. of a whale.

And I, is the book a children's book? I don't think so. I think it is a horror book. And sometimes, you know, when you're looking for daddy in all the wrong places, you wind up in the mouth of a whale. I am watching the whale fall trailer right now. This is a whale fall.

Yes. Yeah. And we don't know where Adele is going to take us next. Yeah. Okay. Now, I just, I need to watch him go inside. They get wrapped around by a tentacle because the whale was in the process of eating an octopus. And then the octopus grabs onto the scuba diaper.

And then the whale, man, whales, they swim fast. Yeah. And you can't swim as fast as whales swimming because they are moving fast. And I don't know why in my brain I thought whales moved slow. But they're so big. I don't know why I thought that. I guess because they're so big, I thought they were like manatees where manatees move slow.

I've never thought about the velocity of a whale before this trailer. And I never thought about how one would punch its way out of inside of a whale. Like, I've never thought about it before. And it keeps saying. Oh, there he goes. Okay, he's in. I was like, I just need to see the part where he goes in the wheel. And all of the descriptions of this book use the phrase scientifically accurate.

And I need to know what that means. Did you talk to a whaleologist? And you were like, so what? And then the esophagus goes to the belly hold. And the belly go hold to testy hold. Like I imagine, is there a song to know the ways in which you get out of a whale if you get swallowed? This just, the story feels like it was written by like a very creative 10-year-old, you know? Like, and so I don't know why he got so swallowed by that whale.

Perhaps he'll die. But we are going to watch the movie, so maybe he won't die. I'm glad I watched the trailer. I don't know what I was expecting. Did you feel invigorated? I was like, yes! I was screaming at the screen. And also I'm very upset.

Whalefall doesn't come out until like October. Like we have a, we are a while to wait for whale fall. I want to see what it's like inside the whale. I want to see what's like inside of that whale. There's a cliffhanger. Is it going to be dark the whole time? Watch out for that whale. I don't know.

I can't be dark the entire time. Or is it going to be like the Ryan Reynolds movie when he's in that box, when he was buried alive? And the whole movie was him inside of that box. Yeah, that's what I'm also wondering. Yeah. And it's so squishy. Ooh. Yeah.

How do you? I think like you don't want to just wait for weeks for the acid to break you down. You know, I've never thought about getting swallowed by a whale before. I haven't either. And I'm thinking how did he get in there without getting chewed up? But again, this is written by a 10-year-old. Little teeth. I guess big teeth in comparison to our teeth.

I don't know what's happening with these whales. Yeah. But I feel like it's all plankton for them. I feel like wouldn't he choke. I feel like that's a big thing to just swallow. Yeah, right. Going all the way down the esophagus without chewing. Again, written by a 10-year-old is my theory.

I just imagine them that they'd be as wet as the gummies that Natalie gave him on page 7. Like, I imagine that kind of wet, but then all over my body. Yeah, yeah. And you know it ain't smelled good in there. Well, I expect you to see whale fall in October of 26. Yes, I will. And I expect you to report back. And I will.

I'll definitely report back. I am definitely going to be reporting back. I'm so upset because I'm caught up on Rory. Real Housewives of Rhode Island. These bitches are crazy, MJ. It's a fun one. These bidsch, these gaggle, I can finally tell them apart. It only took the entire season.

Congratulations. And now I can only tell them apart via the spectrum of crazy that they live on. And I know that Liz is the craziest. Well, Liz, it makes me the publicity. but she is not that kind of is. She is not looking for good publicity. She's only looking for bad publicity. And we're about to have the final episode.

I don't know. I thought that I was like readying myself for a Real Housewives in New York. Like I thought this was going to be like a, you know, 30 episode. Like I thought we were in it. Yeah. But I forget it's the first season. So they can't give them too much out of the day. Uh-huh.

Okay. Well, maybe I actually have hope to catch up. I still haven't, you know, I have. I've not come back to life yet fully after everything. You need evanescence. They just dropped a new album. But if you want to be brought to life, I just feel like you might need a little speckle of evidence on it.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, the NICs have taken over my everything now. So I have not watched. I've watched very little outside of Widows Bay and Spider-Noyar. But I will, I do want to do Real Housewives of Rhode Island. But you know what? I did watch.

I did watch Gweth Paltrow's new. advertisement for luxury real estate in Tel Aviv. In Herzlilia, Israel. Please everyone, stop what, if you want to roll your eyes into another stratosphere, MJ implored me because I was reading the headlines and it was like, oh God, she's doing ads for like time shares in Israel. And then MJ's like, you want to watch the ad. And I did.

And that ad is possibly one of the most tone-deaf things I think Goop has ever done. Which is... I think she may have finally gotten there. It's like, yeah, what, what, let's, let's have Gwyneth Paltrow do an ad for luxury real estate in Israel. It's crazy because the entire ad, it's like, she's like, I love to go for my morning run. And like running makes me feel like, and when you're in the city and blah, blah, blah. And so it's just like, it's just in every city. It's just in every city.

And then in the end, they're like, oh, up on West Broadway. And then she looks right in the camera and goes, no. And there's Alia, Israel. And I think that that's going to be a stem for me for the next 20 years. In Herzaliyah, Israel. And you guys can't see it because we're not on film just yet, but she takes it right to camera. And I feel like every time I take anything to camera, I want to say, in her Zaliyah, Israel. Which is, which is, this is so good because before this happened, Jackie had already included

Goop in the articles this week because she was on a podcast, her own podcast. Her own podcast. With Trace Stevens, the co-founder of AI Defense Company and Dural. Like, every word I'm saying is worse than the last. I'm like, luxury real estate, AI, you know, it's like everything, every, let's just make a, let's brainstorm, no bad ideas. What are some of the worst things we can think of right now? I like to where it says they add them on where the two talked about navigating today's

charged climate and staying open to different ideas. And in which, while I were talking about the quote unquote charged climate, Goop said, I'm trying to, in my journey through being an American right now, trying to, I don't know, I guess sort of weave together lots of different points of view and also get out of that place of like righteousness and anger and fear. I mean, I'm pretty centrist and my husband thinks I'm a Republican, but I think it's, I'm not a Republican. I don't feel anything right now, to be totally honest with you. I feel like I'm completely and independent. I don't feel anything right now. In Hursalia, Israel. In Hesaliyah, Israel. I don't feel anything right now. When is Patro? Even if she had not made that ad, to say, I don't feel anything right now. I don't feel anything right now. Have you, not even the Knicks?

Not moving a finger? Okay. Haven't, you know, you haven't hurt. Where were you alive in the month of January? Did you see anything about what happened to Minneapolis? She's not feeling anything right now. I'm not feeling anything right now. No, she's not, but she's not a Republican.

Which is, she's not feeling anything right now. Adam said, before we started recording it, it's so true that to say this, this type of person saying they're an independent is the embarrassed person's way of saying they're a Republican, which is so true. Obviously, there's plenty of people who don't identify with either political party, and we love that for you. Yes, completely. But are you hawk in time shares? That's the thing. Are you, it's like, especially like luxury times. Like, it is just beyond the pale of just, who told her this was a great idea right now?

Or really, I mean, it will say really shows what side her bread is buttered on. I mean, who told the real estate company in Israel that they're probably struggling with an image problem right now? who said, let's get Guinez Paltrow. She's popular and, and, you know, universally beloved. Like, I just, I'm like, who's, who's hurting whose reputation more now, Guedith Paltrow, or the luxury apartment Pietatera building in Israel. It's just, it is a delight to do a podcast to be like, I don't feel anything. I don't feel anything. In Israel.

So, you know, she's, yeah, she's put an arugula, which is more controversial. This or put the Urugula and the meatballs. I don't know. I think I know, but I find it so fascinating that right before she drops this ad, she came out to say, I'm an independent. Oh, I'm sure it just happened to come out the same week that she was happened to be talking about this and just happened to say, me, a Republican. again, we don't look into a lot of celebrities' politics for a reason because most of them, again, vote with their money. They will disappoint you. They will disappoint you. It's just things like this where it's like, Goop, we were already disappointed in you. And now we just firmly are like, okay, good. I'm glad that we were all correct.

You know what it is? It's like the thing that somebody says that makes them feel very smart. Like, smarter than other people. It's like such a smug. Like, well, you simpletons like to believe in one party or another. I'm actually so above it all that I'm an independent. And it's like, yeah, a bunch of people think that way, dumbass. Like, you know, I just. And of course she just, it's like the people who are like, I'm socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. And they think they're the first person to ever say it. I know what you're saying right now, Goddough, when you say you try to weave a lot of different points of view together, what you mean is you want to keep all your money and you don't really care if bad stuff is happening to poor people around people. Yes. But you like, you want to be like cool with gay people, you know, but but you don't really care about anyone else, I think is probably about what it comes down to. I feel like she doesn't want to seem like a, uh, uh, she doesn't want to go full Spencer Pratt, but, but in terms of what she wants to do with her money,

she wants to go full Spencer Pratt. She and so it's just, we just lump them together. You know what? Go. You know, I guess at this point, I guess, you know, you and Spencer Pratt, go live in the luxury timeshare. Wow. And it hurts Leah Israel.

Go. Can you imagine her talking to Spencer Pratt, though? Because like she's like a flavor of dumb that's so different than his flavor. favor of dumb. Well, because she's not dumb. Like, that is the thing is that she's not. She's very, very calculated. And Spencer Pratt is genuinely dumb.

Yeah, just actively a dumbass. He's just like, he was just parroting things that people, and he's like, oh, yeah, that's what I'm going to do. Yeah. Like, you know, when Dennis Quaid is your number one fan, I feel like, then you should think about yourself for a fucking second. Again, I'm like, Dennis Quaid and Spencer Pratt. both like L.A. fires, you know, and like,

Dennis Quaid that, had that, remember that hilarious interview where he was packing up his car? Yes, and he was like, I've got to go. And we even were saying, like, I wouldn't say positive things about Spencer Pratt, but we were definitely like talking about the Heidi Montag, like her trying to get her music back out. Like, yeah. That, I thought was fine. Yeah. It's the running, it's the running for any kind of government above me in my city that I.

that I have a fucking problem with. Yeah, yeah, I know. I've been thinking about you guys in this, yeah, it's like, oh, you know, we have a reality star for a president. So what if we got a, like the lowest status celebrity reality star? I'd almost like, it's like, give me Tom Sandoval.

I think at least he might be able to be like parroted by somebody like that would be, you know, working for us. Like I feel like that could be. because I think that he could be shaved, you know, like really truly like a big block of ice into something else just because there's nothing going on upstairs. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, I think while we're talking about controversial things, I want to bring up how Jackie is annoyed by Toy Story 5 because I think it's very funny.

Why do they still make it? I thought they were done. I thought this was over. And then Taylor Swift is like, how about I put out? a boring song about it. I just don't get it. I'm so happy to hear you say this because everyone on parent Instagram is like, this Taylor Smith song is so good.

It's so good. And everyone is very emotional about Toy Story 5. And listen, I was 10 when Toy Story came out. It was the first Pixar movie. I think it was certainly the first time I ever saw. Yeah, I love Toy Story. To change totally foundational text, right? I, for whatever reason, haven't seen the rest of them.

I also hear they are very good. I have no problem with Toy Story. I love Toy Story. And I also am like, Toy Story, okay, all right, sure. I'll bring the kids or whatever. And Taylor's are doing a song for it. I really thought the last one they were like, and we're putting the nail in the coffin of these alive toys.

Like, I thought they put a bullet in Buzz's head. Like, I thought that's what happened. Yeah, I think that, again, I think that it's at this point, I mean, I'm sure the kids will enjoy it because it's like everybody left Toy Story. I know. And I like the character. Like, I am. I like Toy Story.

It's more so just, I saw Taylor Swift performing with, Randy Newman. Thank you, Randy Newman, yes. Good, because I was just going to do a really bad impression until you said his name. So, how could you feel it? We're talking about Toy Story. I think I know the musicians you're talking about, yeah. And then they were performing the song together.

And I just, in my head, I just feel like she's just like, mummies love babies and babies are gonna grow and they're gonna grow and they're gonna hate you and then you're gonna be a Jenny Mullen and like I just feel like that's what her song was and you know this because I asked Holden Odd Jackin I said Holden what did you think of the New Taylor Swift song

and he was like oh you're gonna call Matt me for it and I was like why is that your first response Yeah you know whenever she has a swing in a miss because he comes in very defensive. That's his level of defensiveness is reflective of how not great whatever the latest releases. I hadn't even heard the song yet. And I was like, oh, this is going to be a good one, huh? This was him the day of life of his showgirl.

He's just like, oh, everybody's a critic. It's like, you don't like that people don't like it. You don't like it. But also join us, if you're listening to this today, join us on Twitch. TV slash Holdenators Ho because we are having Pride Jackin this Friday. And we would love for you to join us. We are going to, I am going to make Holden, he's going to look beautiful by the end of the night. Oh, okay.

All right. Oh, yeah. We're going to doll them up. We're going to make him feel good for the first time. Yeah. You should ban, you should ban Taylor Swift songs just for pride. Yeah. For Brad Jacket.

She's not allowed to be there. She's not allowed to be there. And certainly not that song. I'm glad. I thank you for telling me that the parent world is crying at the song. I knew they were going to be crying at the song. I think this is great. I think the Toy Story, correct me if I'm wrong, I might be wrong.

My impression is that it is, well, I think the kids will enjoy it. I think it is for the parents. And that doesn't mean it's bad. Again, Toy Story came out when I was 10. I'm 40, you know? And so in a way, part of me, the shitty hater in me wants to be like, oh, squeezing blood from a stone, are we? And then, of course, I'm like, well, some franchises do go on for 30 years. Maybe it's good.

But I think that it's about like, oh, the, like you said, the children grow up and the children grow up. And we were kids once and now we're grown up. Now we're all old. Yeah. Yeah. Cry and cry and cry. It's just, yeah, it's, you know, I knew it, I knew it, I knew it. It is everywhere on Instagram.

Every fucking reel has that song. And I am not impressed by that particular song. Whoa, Shanae much. Yeah, I don't impress us much. Ooh, but real quick, I'm sorry. A song that I have always, always loved since 2015, I think, when it came out, is the song Trap Queen by the brilliant artist Fettywop, okay? So I just need to shout out Principal O'Connell, who was suspended from her job.

I forget which this is, it's one of the, it's like Texas or Florida. Florida, it's Florida. She is a principal, and in her yearbook, in the school yearbook, her quote was, everybody hating, we just call them fans, though, which is. a line from trap queen. Everybody hate and we just call the fans though. It's a fantastic fucking song. And yes, the song is called trap queen. And you don't need to know the rest of the lyrics. It's fine because the line, everybody hate and we just call them fans though is perfectly fine. Yes. And no one opens a yearbook, reads a quote and then goes and searches for it. It's not like Feddywa plays on auto play when you open the yearbook. But she was suspended. Although if it could, I would. I love that song. I was teaching middle school that year. And that like the Fettywop coming on to the scene with like my way and and Trap Queen. I was like, man, this slaps. And so she got suspended. And guess what? Fettywap sent her a bouquet of flowers. And with the note, Prince Pell O'Connell. I hope these flowers lift up your spirits, wishing you the best. God bless from Fettywap and the team. And that is so nice. It's very cute. I just want to shout that out. Thank you, Fettywap.

And God bless you, Principal O'Connell. I think it's very fun that you had a quote from Trap Queen. And I don't think it's inappropriate at all. It is weird, though, that the top comment on the people Instagram that you link this to is, Florist here. Please make sure you order flowers from an actual local brick and mortar shop with actual florists, not eight hundreds or order gatherers. And I, while I do agree with that, I do find it funny.

I was just like, are you yelling at Fettie Wop? Like, who said the flower? Are we canceling Fettie Wap for ordering flowers? You don't even know if that's where he got the flowers from. You are assuming that's where he got the flowers from. Yeah, why, how does, yeah, it's just a picture of P. A picture of the flowers. It's just a flowers.

It's from 1,800 flowers. Maybe it is from a local brick and mortar. You have no idea. Wow. So I just wanted to be like, I just feel like that's putting some assumptions on some shit, Florist, okay? But a lot of assumptions going on here. And I do think that while I am laughing,

I do think that this entire thing is really just about racism. And like that's, so anyway, I'm really proud of your principal O'Connell. Don't give up. Keep quoting Fettywap because you're right. He is a great artist, okay? And so I just want to thank him for reaching out to her. Also, putting her on leave because of this. What is that going to do, like education department?

Like what is that going to do that you put her on? Like, I just don't understand what, like, that that's what you thought the slap on the wrist she deserved. Like, I just feel like this punishment doesn't fit the crime. You know what I mean? And we love an artist who supports educators, unlike, unfortunately, an artist who I do also love, Tracy Morgan, who I generally really enjoy, but who did just needlessly, Jackie told me about I didn't even catch this story because I was too busy laughing about him at the next game saying that the Statue of Liberty is going to get pregnant tonight. Which is great.

I do think that's very funny. And just being like, man, I love that guy. But he just completely needlessly went off on how being a teacher is dumb because you don't get paid that much. And it's like, Tracy Morgan, you got the wrong enemy in your crosshairs here. Yeah. And he was saying he was talking to Marcelo Hernandez. and they were talking about how much people make and like talking about minimum wage for a second.

And then Tracy does say, I can't stand teachers. He says, you know why? Because they have a ceiling. They have a limit. They're all there. That's all they're ever going to be. I teach my kids skies the limit.

And this is just a, oh, God, don't. Oh. So that's why you can't stand teachers because teachers are not respected for how a hard. they fucking work and how hard of a job that they have and how they have to go uphill, especially now where there's no, like, no departments that will protect them. There's no one that is fighting for that. Like, it's just, you know, like, oh, and it was actors on actors. It wasn't even, I was going to say, like, I know that people speak exceparaneously on podcasts and you haven't

always thought through what you're going to say or you might say things. But actors on actors. Actors on actors, it's like you are here to say things. And yeah, I mean, A, it's like, it's not true that being a teacher is the ceiling. Like, there's other places that you can go from there, but also, like, the amazing thing about being a teacher that is so different that how most things are structured in American life right now is, like, most like American work is structured that you're supposed to always be climbing, climbing, climbing to the next thing instead of, like, mastering something. And what teachers do is master something. They become, if you have a teach, if you have a teacher who's been teaching for 25 years, that is a master. I mean, obviously,

they're not all perfect. But like this is the idea of take like it is one of the few things where it's like you choose this profession because you want to do good in the world and you stay there. No, you don't climb a corporate ladder. You stay there because that is the work that you want to do. And yeah, again, if this was if this was just like a, oh, a kind of failed joke on a podcast, it would be one thing. But just having this, you know, it's Tracy Morgan. He's not going to be doing like educational philosophy or whatever. But it's just a needless. It's just. needless. Why are we doing that? There's just, it's just absolutely, it hurts. And there's no, like you said, it is, it was definitely kept in to be an inflammatory statement. You know what I mean? Like, we wouldn't be talking about this actors, on actors, if not for this statement. So we know why it's kept in. And we do know, but then that's the thing. He's known for saying out of pocket shit. Yeah. And that's the thing. That comes all across the board. So if you want your, the Statue of Liberty is going to get pregnant tonight, then unfortunately we're also going to take things like this.

And I do hope that he is at least yelled at by society enough that he is ashamed for what he says. But at the same time, we can't force him to think differently, unfortunately. So for now, I guess he's just going to continue on thinking awful. fucking shit. Yeah, you know, and I know it's like I don't come to my celebrities for their opinions on public education. But then when Fettywap swoops in and does a great job, you know, we just want to spotlight him. That's all. Yeah. We just, you know, it's not, it's not all about the things you say no to. It's about the things you say yes to. And why

Jeffrey and Ina say yes to soup every single day. Soup every day. This is the most boring that I'm bringing up. It's the most I was angry that I read it. I was angry that someone wrote it. And now I'm even more enraged that I'm bringing it here to page seven because there was a whole article written and taste of home. about Ina and Jeffrey Garten eating soup for lunch every day. Every day.

Every day. Usually it's a butternod squash soup, but sometimes it just depends on what kind of soup we're in the mood for. And I'm like, Aina, I think this is a step too boring for me. This is why I haven't bought tickets to her live show yet because I do think she'll be. talk about eating soup every day. Talking about how easy it is to freeze soup and heat it up later. Yeah, bitch, we know. Everyone knows that you can freeze soup.

This is my little tip. Oh, it's a hot tip for a hot lunch. Jeffrey and I always have soup, which is so easy because I can make a lot of soup and leave it in the freezer. Write that down and publish it, you know? Wow. What are we doing here? We get her to the publishers.

We need, people need to know. this information stat. Yeah. It felt like I was in an ER. I was just like, oh my God. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I felt like I was watching the pit.

Yeah. Yeah. She is boring. I've read her book. It's profoundly boring. And it makes sense that she could go on Julie Louis-Dreyfus's podcast and still managed to be incredibly boring.

Yeah. And you know who's not being boring with their interesting takes. That would be Lizzo. We do need to bring up the fact that, you know, here on page seven, we've been talking, you know, Holden called Skinny Evilizzo a long time ago. It is fascinating. There was this big thing because of all like the chili stuff with like and also her album, not because the chili stuff, because her album just

dropped. Her album just dropped and nobody's talking about it. Nobody really, I mean, she has definitely fallen out of the favor of society. Yeah. And it is. fascinating because she was asked and she point blank responded publicly saying and explaining herself of why because people were openly lamenting like why is in your like you were the the it thing yeah it was like a tweet that long ago yeah like ask a tweet asking the question that we I mean asking the question that we I was going to say we ask all the time on the show but we know the answer to it it is the you know banana thing and the whole I have you know body shaming stuff And there was a lot of things that happened all at once.

But she saw the tweet and then quote quote tweeted it. Quote, responded, I can actually answer this. The industry changed so much in the last three years. Streaming replaced radio when I was a radio darling. That's how my fans discovered my music. Not to mention the very obvious and public attack on my career changed things. But I'm out here doing my absolute best and you can't knock a bitch for that.

To which everyone responded. Did streaming really? enter the industry three years ago. Three years ago and you were a radio darling three years ago. Like it would be one thing if she's saying this in like 2021 or you know it's like but you're not. It's 2026. Streaming did not start three years ago. This is not the reason why people are not listening to your music anymore.

And if that, I like it because it is like you can tell this is what her team is like. this is what you say. This is what we've come up with and this is what you're going to say because you can't say because I did all these things because all that shit is still in the process of being figured out and the reason why Lizzo was dropped from the lawsuits is because they couldn't legally sue Lizzo herself. They have to sue Lizzo's company. So that's why when she's like, but everything got dropped, it didn't get dropped.

She just got dropped from the lawsuits because they can't. legally sue her. Yeah. So that's why, like, even with all of this, it's not, you can't, like, we know this, like, it's like, you can't in 2026, like, look at what happened with the fucking baldoni trial. You cannot, like, the internet has all the time in the fucking world to look into this shit, okay?

That is so true. You cannot, we, especially because, like, I guess she's a little bit, I mean, I know she's younger than us. But she's like, I feel like at our generation, we grew up kind of like being able to fudge things, you know, it's like no one's going to immediately. Back when you used to be able to have a second family. When you could have a secret family and nobody knows about it the good old days. Yeah, and you might be able to like say something in a conversation without immediately getting fact-checked. Also, by the way, Lizzo is 38. Oh, okay. No, she's not. She's not younger than some of us. She's not. So she not.

And I, you know, juice and everything like that. She did come onto the scene in 2019. But I actually, I was trying, I was trying to think back. I was like, I mean, obviously we had streaming in 2019. But Truthers dropped in 2017. And I think that I saw Lizzo in, I think I saw her in 2019. When I saw her at like a fairly small show and I was like, this is the smallest show. She's ever going to play ever again. Like, and I lost my fucking mind.

Like when you saw Chapel at that really small venue. Exactly. And I, it was such an experience. And it doesn't take away the experience for me. I still met amazing people. I still had an amazing. time and it was at the height of Lizzo, but, you know, it is, that is such a, it's such a quaffed response. Yeah, yeah. It's, right. And it's, it's like, I, I actually, I don't, she going to be like, yeah, I should have put that banana up there, you know, like she just don't

do that either. I don't expect her to engage with the cancellation allegations because, right, She can't. I'm sure. But I actually think that this is like in the way that like we have actually now had the concept of cancellation for so long that we've then had people who've been canceled like come back and talk about it. Like I actually think again, she's not going to talk about the banana up the ass. But like I'm actually like it would be interesting to hear a good faith like response to a question like this. like, wow, Lizzo was so, but because I actually think there's, in addition to the banana up the ass, there's other interesting things happening around the idea of Lizzo, because we did have this era

of like body positivity, this brief little window. And yes, I'm sure it was like relatively surfaced and everything. And I'm not going to speak on what it was like because I've not been in a body that's like been scrutinized and shamed in every aspect of American society for its size. But I feel like she had this moment. It sucks. Yeah. So like, yeah. Like, I'm not going to say, like, everything was fine when we had Lizzo, but, like, there was, you know, you've talked about this latch-ack where there was this moment of like, maybe actually you shouldn't try to change the shape of your body. You should try to love who you are. And that moment, as you point out frequently, has passed. Hit in the head over and over again with a shovel and just buried.

And now everyone's just buried with the clickety-clack of all of our bones as we can barely hold ourselves together because they're like, we have to be here. And then another interesting thing I think about that is that I think some of the ideas from that body positivity movement have stayed. But in lieu of body positivity, an example of this is the we don't comment on other people's bodies thing, which I think emerged from a genuinely helpful, like I tell my kids all the time, we never comment on other people's bodies. We don't compare bodies. We don't compare our bodies. Like, we do not, we do not, we do not to talk about the size of other people's bodies. We're not going to do that. But, like, but then that has led to this thing, which we've also kind of, like,

hesitated to talk about on the show. But this, like, very obvious thing where Ariana Grande is, her body has changed to a point of, like, a lot of people being very worried about her health. Especially all the clips of her tour. Like, I don't know if your feed is covered in the clips of her tour, but I guess my eye lingers because there have been so many videos. of people that like love Ariana Grande that they are. And of course, you know, stay out of her business.

And I understand all that. But like they're taking videos from the concerts just being like, she like has no energy on stage. Like she like needs something to fuel her. Like it is at a place where you're right. We shouldn't come out on people's bodies. But it does actively look like she does. She's not fueling her body.

I saw a really, because of these images from tour, about how incredibly, you know, emaciated she looks. I actually saw a really interesting post about this, which is part of the reason why I'm, I'm bringing it up here, but also, yeah, in the context of the body positivity death now. But like, I saw somebody say, I'm like in an eating disorder recovery. I'm in recovery. I've gone through, you know, rehabilitation for an eating disorder. And she said the fact that people aren't commenting on this is actually like, is, is,

as this poster said, as somebody in recovery for an eating disorder is actually not helpful. She was like, it's actually making me go into my own head. Because it fucks your body just more, via even more. And thinking like, is this normal? And she was like, actually people saying this is not, this does not look safe is validating as somebody who's recovering from a eating disorder. It's not, it's not, doesn't feel like we're commenting on some of these bodies. It feels like we are pointing out that something unsafe is happening. Right. And that was interesting. It is. It is. And, you know, I won't go into the journey of, of, like, what I've experienced just because, you know, I understand that it's triggering for people. But it is, like, as someone that is also battled as well.

And I, like I said, don't want to get too far into it here because we keep it light here. But it is, I, I, when no one comments on it and no one brings it up, for me, it was more destructive. And so then I got to a point where I had to be like, I had to add. ask other people, like, do I look like that, like, do I actually look like this? Like, what do I actually, because I didn't trust my own brain anymore. Right, right. Because there were no comments from the outside. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so it's like, it, where, whereas I am not saying that this is an open door to talk about me. It's just, I had to then implore people because I was struggling with how I felt about myself. Yeah. And because I, because I needed to hear it from the outside perspective. So I understand where that poster is coming from. And that is where I do, where it's not like, I'm not just being like, hey, a fucking sandwich.

It's more like the idea of, I hope that you are working on this. And I hope that you are in a healthy place of, like, being able to get a healthy perspective with what you need to be working on in your life. Right. You know, I hope that. Yeah. Yeah.

And, like, if you're going to be, like, a role model for, young girls like you have to like role model like eating and being healthy. I don't know. I feel I've, I've, you know, ever since the wicked wicked, the first wicked press tour, I felt like very uncomfortable about it and and have not talked about it on the show. And not even talking about the SpongeBob breakup that we all knew happened. Oh yeah. RIP.

We all knew that they were broken. And then she's like, it's like on top of all the PR stuff where it's like she, she is, she's like, nowhere together, nowhere together, nowhere together. And then she puts out the song of what is it, hate that I made you like me and leave your fucking baby. And she wrote her song and not that I'm against her right in the song, it is just very funny. The song is boring. Shapes up where then now it's this week where it's like, oh, but also they broke up months ago.

And it's like, all right. I know. When I saw that headline, I was like, we all already knew that they've been broken up for quite a while. It's ridiculous that they didn't acknowledge it sooner. She's been going everywhere without him for months. And then she drops this song, I hate that I made you love me. And then they announce the breakup.

And now that I've heard that dumb song, I hear it everywhere. It's on, it's at the Dunkin. It's at the grocery store. And I'm going to say it. I think it's boring. I think Ariana Grande's music is not exciting to me personally.

And that's as bold as I'm going to get. The bops or bops. The bops are out there. The bops are going to out there. The bops are. The Bops. The Bops, Bob. And then the rest of it. Thank you next.

Uh-oh. I said it. Uh-oh, she said the name of the other song. Because that is essentially in my brain, what hate that I made you love me. It is such a bitch, fun, but like a fan of a fun bitch PR move to be like, oh, so yeah, you thought that I wrote that song about him. I did. I don't know. I'm sure she's like,

it's not about him. It's not about him. But, you know, it's fascinating. This is my favorite Whitney Leffitt quote. You're not wrong. You're right. You're right. It is about him.

Oh, my God. And her, Whitney Leavitt. And she's, I don't follow her on Instagram, but I, but because I don't follow her, it's always just like, you should follow Whitney Levin. You should follow Whitney Levin. And she is starting a,

starting a reality show of her own with her family. I know. And I like, you know, I saw Chicago and I came here and I sang her praises on Chicago. And then when I saw the Tony's opening number and she appeared, it was like a jump scare. I was like, what are you doing there? Even though you're literally on Broadway right now. It makes sense that you're in the Tony's opening number. But I'm like, you know, there's all these heavy hitters. One after the other, you know, pink is lifting up Neil Patrick Harris with her legs. It's like all of these. brilliant life perform. Megan, the Stallion is there. And then, you know, Whitney, who again, she did great.

Great job. But I'm like, get off the stage, Whitney. You don't belong there. If I'm looking at Whitney Levitt and Megan the Stallion, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Whitney. There's a letter. No comparison.

Yeah. Not for me. Not with this dog. Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? You might both be stunt casting. But guess what?

Only one of you is a fucking professional performer. And it's not you, bitch. Boing, boing, boing, boing, boing. What do they say? Bing bong, bong, bing bong. Bing bong, yeah, I'm getting all bing bonged over here. And does it mean we're crying candy? See, that's the problem, M.J.

Is your nix saying bing bong just makes me think of really, really sad. From Inside Out one. It only makes me think of sad Inside Out. I know. I know. He cries candy. I know. I know.

It's devastating. Inside Out is one of my favorite kids movies. and it's very sad. And you know what? I hope in 30 years they're making more insides outs. Like if they're, we're doing five toy stories.

Sure. Give me five inside outs. They're that good. And also, I'm not even trying to be like, we're still doing it. Like, I legitimately thought Toy Story 4 was supposed to be the final one. Um, yes. That's like what.

That was the thing. But also that reminded me that last night during the game, I saw the trailer for the live action Moana. And I, I just kept yelling, why? Why? Is it the rock?

It is the rock. It looks like an AI. It looks like AI slop. I'm like, is this? I mean, I really don't understand why it looks so bad. I'm like, what went wrong with the making of this trailer? Did it get like, did it get, was there a glitch in the exporting? And like all the ratios look off.

It looks so weird. It looks so weird. And Moana is such a good movie. Wow. Why are we doing this? You're right, it all looks AI. It looks like... Weird, it does look like it is all made with AI.

Like, it looks like every actor is standing. It doesn't even look like a green screen. It looks like it's just like, we are standing in computer. Do not worry about this. It is water. Water. I am interacting with water. Like, it's just not, but you're not.

That pig is not real. All this stuff is not real, which is fine. We know lots of movies aren't real. But there's just... It looks... Oh, I'm not the ocean chose. All of this, I'd rather just watch the cartoon. It looks more computer generated.

I'm being angry and angry, but the second, by the second. I know. Everyone was like, the second one sucks. And now we're coming back and we're doing, because, and the second one sucks because Lin-Manuel Miranda didn't do it, not for nothing. But now we're coming back and doing the first one, which is so good. And we're making it just look like dog shit. Why are we doing this?

It looks so much work. Like the original Moana is one of the best. Disney films. Unfortunately, what I will say positively about this trailer, that The Rock with Hair is definitely giving Tycho Waititi and our Flag Means Death. And like, so that, for that alone, but he's not Tyco YTT in our Flag Means Death. And I feel like that just makes me want to watch Our Flag Means Death. Yeah, our flag means death.

So I can go watch Tyco Waititi as a pirate. Yes. You know what? Let's watch our Flag Means Death and let's listen to the Moana soundtrack. And not watch this. This is perfect, M.G. Because just recently, over on Jackie's book club, a pirate has entered the chat. A pirate vampire has entered the chat.

And so I am doing his voice entirely like this in the entire book. And I didn't realize how big of a character he was going to be. And I have been doing a pirate voice. by myself over on Jackie's Book Club, which you can check out over on our Patreon. And then I did lose a bunch of time looking, staring open-mouthed at pictures of Taika Waititi and our flag means Seth and just being like,

God, because I was just like, pirates to me are not usually my top sexiest. Yeah. But gay pirates? Gay pirates and Tyco-Y-T-T-T and our flag means, D. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not even usually attracted to Tyco-Y-T-T-T-T-T-T.

Although maybe that's not true. Maybe I think that's not true. I'm not to speak for you, but... No, no, you're right. But much more so in our flag means death, for sure. Oh, yeah. Oh, that boo' swashbuckler. You know a swashbuckler is what I needed.

Before we get out of here, I just want to say a shout out to all my fellow bright eyes heads and page seven people who I heard from, including the one person who took a selfie of her and her friend. after they announced that the bright eye show was rained out and then noticed after taking the selfie that I'm in the background. Oh my God. With my brother looking really disappointed also. And I heard from many lovely page 7 people who heard from somebody who had driven from Pittsburgh. Heard from somebody who was there for their one-year wedding anniversary. Like people, I heard from somebody who had gone to the, I think it was Denver show that also got canceled because of weather.

And then flew out here for this one. and then that got canceled because of weather. And he was able to do the all of I'm White Awakeet's Morning, which is my favorite of the two albums. But then... Is that where Katie Perry got it from? Is that where she got... Did she take that from Riteyes?

How dare you? How dare you? I will throw it up Katie Perry right now. I'm sorry during you're lamenting. I did want to throw it to Adam because Adam, our producer, did... Oh, he got to see both albums. He got to see, but I will. I wanted to throw it out there.

because Adam did, we brought it up to me first of like, but did you see MJ's show got rained out? I texted Adam. Oh my God, Brian Eyes show's so good. And Adam, lovely Adam was like, I can't wait to hear all about it. And then like two minutes later. I'm so sorry. That sounds brutal. But Adam, was it awesome?

Was Digital Ash and a Digital Learn super awesome? You know, I'm sorry. You could tell me. It was excellent. It was amazing. It was significantly better than, you know, I'm wide awake. Are you kidding?

Yeah, I thought so. Wait, which album do you like better, though? I used to like, I'm wide awake, it's morning. Now I like Digital Ash more.

And honestly, it's just the kind of thing where like, you know, obviously his general band setup, it's much easier for him to do I'm wide awake, it's morning song.

Yeah. Versus Digital Ash. So there was just like so much stuff I hadn't heard live since when he toured it originally. Yes, which I also saw that show. So it was a lot.

It was a lot more exciting and rare, and I have come to love that album more. And I'm so sorry. No, I'm happy for you. It was amazing. I'm happy for you. You know what? We have the Nix and Zoran and at least L.A. got the full bright eyes. Yeah, we got the full bright eyes.

Well, yeah, Adam God. So what do I get? What do I get? Hello. I get the villa. You get the villa. I get the, I get my idiot aquarium where they're all covered in paint and then they're sucking on paint on each other's faces.

Like, it's just, why do they keep touching each other. other's faces with the paint. You know everybody's got a kiss there. You've made your bed, Jackie. Now you've made your bed full of paint. Oh, we got to handcuff all these boys to it. You've made your bed. Now you have to lie in it with a bunch of boys who are handcuffed to it. A bunch of boys. Oh, yeah. Okay. It is funny that Jeff was like, he's like, I don't understand. He said something about how, like, beautiful they were. And he's like, do you just watch it because they're so beautiful? And I was like, I don't find. any of them attractive at all. I do feel like this is like genuinely watching fish in an aquarium

where I'm just like, I like that fish better than that fish because it sucks the other side of it better. You're like, you know, that's what I like. You're like, Jeff, if you want to see what I find attractive, let me show you this video of John C. Riley on Ted Danson's podcast when Mary Steenbergin calls forgetting that Ted Dantin is recording his podcast. And he answers. And he answers because he's a lovely man. Because he loves her. He and John C. Riley just have a chat with Mary Steenberg. And then John C. Riley, who of course was in stepbrothers with Mary Steenberg.

He's like, oh, it's my mom. He's like, what's up, mom? And they have a beautiful conversation. And then after the conversation, John C. Riley is like, I just want you all know that like, Ted and Mary, like, they're like the real ones. Like, they're like, their love is not fake. He's like, you saw. She's just called.

Can he answer? I wouldn't answer if my wife called in the middle of a podcast. I'd be like, I can't do this right now. He's like, but Ted answers, has a normal conversation with his lovely. And the friendship between, oh, my God, MJ, fucking smear me on him. I was like, I should not be this turned on watching John C. Riley and Ted Dant talk to Mary Steedbergen on the phone, and yet here I am. It is someone that is right now just comfort.

rewatching the good place. It's crazy for me that like while of course I want to kiss Cheedy and of course I want to really kiss kind of all of them, it's Ted Danson's. He's the one and on Janette. Janet's the one I want to kiss. But Ted Danson is the one that you just keep. Honestly, MJ, you seeing him in his suits, like in his like cute pattern suits, you would lose your fucking mind. Yeah. Yeah. I watched some good place when I was like, it was like one of my postpartum shows. It's a good one to throw on.

Even honestly, it is more of my problem. My only problem with it as someone that has watched it before is I just get sad because I don't believe in it. And I don't believe that it's going to happen. I believe that I'm just like, wouldn't it be nice to believe in this? Yeah. God, wouldn't that be great? And that's what makes me the saddest of all.

But, you know, if I'm not making my own self sad, is it a day that ends in why? I don't think so. Thank you, everybody, for joining us on this week's episode of Second Helpings. And MJ, I'm really proud for your ball. And I'm happy Bing Bongbong for you. And also, what else are you? My mayors. My mares.

Now, we've up to the same guy. M.D. Hosein is his name. He's the one who did the first one, which is my mares Muslim, my bagels, Jewish, my Christian Dior, which is a reference to a pop smoke song, RIP, Nixon 4. But now since it's going to be five games, hopefully only five, he was once again out in the streets and they found him and they videotaped him again and he made a new one. Wait, it's not done? No, no, not at all. I thought that was it.

I thought that's why you were all celebrating. No, we're celebrating because they were. There's another one. I thought that was it. Everybody's fucking flipping out. I thought there was another. I thought that was eight. I thought they won.

You don't even understand basketball, Jackie. I'm not asleep. Oh, my God. God, there's another one. When is there another one? I thought this was the hollaboo. I thought that was it. No, man.

Everybody's screaming in the streets. I thought that was it. No, we're screaming in the streets because they won three. Oh, my God. And the next game is in Texas. Y'all, I just. The whole game, Jackie. Oh, my God.

I thought this was, I'm, I take away it. I don't care about your ball anymore. We're in the middle of ball. I thought we were celebrating the end of ball. No, there is more ball. They were handcuffed to the bed, MJ, covered in paint. Where did the red paint come from? It came from the bombshells.

My mayor is Muslim, my bagels, Jewish. The Pope's on our side. Nicks in five. A Knicks in five. Yeah, it works. Pope's on our side, but not all the time, all right? I just want everyone to know, we got hot dogs and he's against AI, all right? Can we just throw that out there?

And I don't even know if that means that the Pope's is a Knicks fan, but I think it's because my, my, he, because he's not on the side of Donald Trump, I think that's why the Pope has been invoked. And also, you to represent Christianity in the trifecta of the chant. But anyway, I'll be talking more about the next next week. I'm a basketball boy now. I become a basketball boy once every 10 years. Last time was literally 2016 when it was the Cavs versus Golden State. So I, actually, I come in every 10 years.

MJ, I think it would be really good for you and your branding. if you started just walking around with a basketball. I think that this would be good if you're like, oh, you're the dude with the ball. Like everybody says that in the neighborhood. And like you're always trying to carry everything. But you always have to be also carrying a basketball to stay on brand. And it's tricky because I'm not good at basketball. I played basketball for exactly one season in eighth grade.

And I can make layups and nothing else. If you always have a ball in your hand, though. I might get better just by carrying it around. out, you know? I'm just glad that I finally figured out what I'm going to get you as your grad school present a basketball because, no, I haven't sent anything yet. So I guess it's going to be a basketball. That's great.

That's all you're getting. You're getting a fucking basketball. That's great. Because they're not done yet, guys. I'm a chalk now. By the time this comes out, will they be done? Is this a tonight thing? No, no, it's Saturday.

Oh my God. Really stretching this out, huh? I thought this happened in March. It's June. I also don't know. I also don't understand why it's happening to get you. I don't know. Guys, you heard it here first. I know nothing about any of this. And I know next to nothing. I'm a Johnny come lately, but call me Mr. New York Knicks because here I am and I'm having a

great time. Well, Mr. Nix, we got to get the hell out of here. And I guess by the next time I see you, I better see you in some sort of Knicks pun, like in the Nix of time. You know, he could do one of those like old St. Nick's, and you could put a big, like, belly underneath your shirt. Did you feel like Taylor Swift was comparing herself to Stevie Nix by wearing a shirt that said Stevie Nix? What angers me is I've already seen multiple things, but like, did you see that she said Stevie Nix? So then actually, this is the third time that she has mentioned Stevie Nix in the last time days. And so actually, I think that means. And I've seen a couple of those.

And I'm like, oh, my God. Yeah. So apparently, MJ, thank you for asking, it means something. What does it mean? I don't know. Everything she does mean something. Yeah, she's always thinking 20 steps ahead. It's 40 just. Didn't you know?

We got to go. Sorry, it annoyed me. It annoyed me that it's like, the thrice, the thrice time that she makes mention of the Nix. And I just, I'm like, that's what I'm so busy. Are you that, are that busy that, like, you are thinking about this? I guess so. But thank you everybody. I hope everyone has happy Knicks to you.

Have a bing bong. Get your Saturday Knicks on. And hopefully they win then because we've already been celebrating as if they won. So I really hope they do. Yeah. If they win then, it will be over. And you can never hear me talk about it again until probably 10 years from now. If they win, but what if they lose?

Then there's more. What? You're so upset. Then there's a tournament. You keep saying. And then Nick's a. in five and you keep being like a knicks in five like everyone keeps saying nix in five do you know the basic structure tournament there's they can be up to up to seven games depending on how you have to win them

first it was four because if they won four in a row just like because if they win four out of seven then they have won but if they right now that's three to one and so if they win one more it will be four to one and they and it will be over they will there will be no way for the san antonio's to win enough to come back. But if they... I want to sleep. Yeah, I can't believe this. I really, I am truly, my flabbers

were gasted. I had absolutely no idea. I thought that this was done. I thought we were never going to have to talk about basketball ever again. Well, guys, we might be back here talking about it again. We might still be going. We don't know. We'll know by next week. I just love your absolute rage at the basic structure of the NBA final. I thought that's what March Madness was. Oh, that's college basketball jacket.

It's a whole different league. Oh, my God. So it's just, you know, I'm happy that all ballists have all times of year where they get to shine. And I don't know. I've ever heard of ball during Pride Month. I didn't know what happened, but I'm really happy. I just live in my queer dark corners where I'm like, I'm just here with my pride. and you take your balls and you put it in your baskets.

We have to end the show. Okay. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. Come hang out with us, page 7, Patreon. We've got great shit over there. And Jackie's Book Club, pirates have entered. Suki, Stackhouse. Are they vampires?

Yes. Did they get changed while on a pyruific adventure? Yes. And isn't that got to be very difficult for a pirate to be a vampire? But we discussed that over on Jackie's book club. And MJ, where can we find you? You can email us, page 7 podcast at gmail.com. We love you guys.

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