Page 7 - Second Helpings - I Give A SHEEP

Episode Date: July 3, 2026

This week on Second Helpings, Jackie and MJ are talkin' 'bout how "Love Island" will destroy us all, and not even Megan the Stallion's visit can stop it, and Jackie gives updates from MOVIE NIGHT I. The people from the "Skywalkers" documentary scaled the Empire State Building and put up a banner that's very....nice (and got engaged on the walk down!)   MJ is wonderin' how they are supposed to get to New Jersey when Taytay's gettin' married and shuttin' 'er all down, Frankie Muniz played his child like an air guitar in the oh-so fun divorce-o announcement, that he had to promptly delete because of backlash, and Jackie watched "Sheep Detectives" and she LOVED IT AND MUST ADMIT SHE WAS WRONG! John Cena and Pete Davidson talked about Make A Wish, "Supergirl" unfortunately was mid, but the trailer for "Clayface" looks cool and Jackie's got her "Evil Dead Burn" tickets! MJ's busy gobblin' up Harlan Coben's "I Will Find You", Jackie encourages MJ to hop on the "RHORI" train, Kylie Jenner has answered America's prayers and has announced a special edition Meta Glasses, and MJ and Jackie go over their husband's sleep data like any normal person would, PLUS SO MUCH MORE! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Yes, it will. Yes, it will. Yes, it will. Or will all of your smiles and happinesses be torn asunder because of Love Island. I don't know. It has MJ, MJ jumped on earlier and I had just finished part one of movie night. And I logged on to Jackie just smiling and shaking her head ruefully. And I'm like, what happened, like, assuming a real life thing? And she was like, Love Island. Um, excuse me. MJ, this is a real life thing and I don't know why you were, why, what are you sincere right now? Like you're treating this? Like this is just like bullshit. These are people's lives that are at stake, MJ. Quite literally. And you understand what goes on inside of the villa and you don't understand what goes on inside of Casa until movie night.

This season, they're going to have a 72 hour cycle afterwards instead of the 48 hour cycle. cold. Each season, the psych hold gets longer and longer. Or they're going to have to bump it up. I think they might need to make it a five day. I really think they should add an essence of a silent retreat into their psychological hold after the show. That is a good idea. Because I can't imagine. I was thinking about it. Imagine being so sad and having to wake up and put on a bikini and put on your makeup and have to go be a person all day. no matter what, it's just being forced to put on a bikini every day that must, out of all of it, besides being watched by millions of people every second of the day, I feel like the idea of

putting on a teeny keene when you're sad. Maybe it puts a smile on your face, but I don't know if it would put a smile on my, like it really depends on the keeney. Yeah, it depends on the keeney, yeah. Depends on the keeney because like there was an episode, a couple episodes, ago, Megan the Stallion shows up because Megan the Stallion is a huge Love Island fan. Love this. So now she comes on and so she directed a challenge, but then afterwards she leaves a bunch of her hot girl's summer bikini merch for the girls and the boys and they're all just

like, yeah, and they're like putting on these like hot bikinis and stuff like that. Like if it's a hot girl summer keeney, yeah, you put on that key. That sparks joy, yeah. Yeah, you get those lips back up and a reven, all right? You dry those tears, bitch. Anaya, we lift ourselves up. We rise up, okay? And there is something about, and I don't know if this is just a young person thing or if this is just them, of using rise up king. Yeah, rise up.

In a sarcastic way is one of the funniest. Oh, yeah, rise up. Oh, wow, rise up. Because the boys keep talking, like, at one point, this piece of garbage is just like, the girls of the village don't understand my power. They're too weak to understand my powers. And all the girls are like, oh, because MJ, what movie night is? I'm sorry. I need to immediately jump into this.

And I apologize. Hit the ground running. I have to. All-Star reference. And it was a perfect all-star reference. And I'm sorry that my brain is so firmly in Villa Town that I can't think of anything else. Because, MJ, we've been watching for weeks, these piece of garbage men. saying half truths, like at one point, and I was saying to you this earlier, that this man was like,

he's like, yeah, when she's like, are you telling the truth? And he's like, yeah, I'm telling the truth, like, kind of. Like, I can't even tell you the truth because if I did, you'd just act like a bitch. And if you say something like that to a person, I think it means that what you're doing is probably not that good. Yeah, this, when you told me this, I'm obviously shocked by the content, like the meaning behind what he's saying. Like, I have to lie to you because otherwise you're insane. Like, that's a bad... Especially when his lies are kissing other people and telling her that he's not.

And he's not. And then gaslighting her and gaslight. And then she just kept being like, is America gaslighting me? And then she goes into CASA. And all these men that have been watching the show are like, you deserve so much better. You deserve so much better. Do not be with this guy. And she's like, why are all these guys saying it to me?

But then movie night happens. and what movie night is for those of you that are not aware in the villa world. You know, they have CASA, they have all many, many different experiences. People pull people for chats. Lots of stuff happens that you don't have to be truthful about. But what they all know is that there is always going to be movie night. And movie night is where they all sit down and people, like, people choose clips for them to play of other. conversations and of everything that people choose and like edit together all the lies bad boy behavior that they own the dirty dogs and how many of them just these red-pilled young men that just talk to these women like they are things like they that they are just and even these private quote unquote conversations that they're having technically in front of millions of people

And they're just like, man, this shit is so crazy that they would show them that we said all these things, that we've been lying to them for weeks. And then you're just watching these women go to bat for each other. And it is beautiful to see. It's horrific to watch. I can't look away. Carl is the only good man. I'm sorry, Carl and Dylan. Carl, just like he's the only good man.

on Wisteria Lane, Desperate Housewives as well. You're right. Well, I mean, not anymore. Izzy. Yeah. Izzy, MJ. Yeah. But Carl is this big, hot, really nice guy that Anaya really hit it off with.

And then she ended up choosing to go back with Casey, even though Casey disrespect, not only disrespected her. He didn't go and explore. He was overtly saying, Grandma, she wouldn't even give me what I deserved. And shit like that. And then they were talking. about like all the Casa, like all the Villa girls, they're like high school girls. But the Casa girls, they're like college girls.

They know what they. Y'all are in your mid-fucking 20s. Why are you speaking like this? It is the most disrespectful way that all of them were talking about when the women weren't around and then feeding them these lies, lies, lies, lies. And all of them felt like they were crazy. Yeah. And then they're watching all of it unfold and just.

learning the truth. This is, it is really interesting to hear you talk about, like, the, the way that, obviously all of these reality shows are, like, rooted. You can't, you can't separate out the misogyny from anything, any of these shows for the last 20 years, right? But, like, hearing the way that you are talking about Love Island and the complete normalization and platforming of, like, of, like, pretty extreme misogyny, like, like, we were just talking about on our Desperate Housewives Talkback show,

that this show that was made in 2006, there's a line where a man says about a woman, a man who's about to do surgery on a woman says, let's cut this bitch open. Let's cut this bitch open. And it's obviously but to be a laugh line. And did I laugh? Yes. Yes. But we talked about on that show how you and I started this show in 2010 and I, you said the word bitch pretty liberally. And it took me a little while to adjust to it because at that time, it was still a pretty.

powerful word that men used against women in a way that really, like, it felt like a harmful word. And you were obviously reclaiming it. And I adjusted to that. And now I love, let's talk about these bitches, right? And I love that. But I think that I pulled you down into bro culture. Yes. And I think that, but I think that like, you know, I can't, can't track it. But in between then and now, there was this long period of time where I think that it was not. something that you would hear a man on a prime time reality show call a woman. Like it fell, I'm not saying men stop calling women bitches. That obviously didn't happen.

But I do think that just in the way that it became like not in style to say the R word on television, you know, or in like a normal conversation with like mixed company because it was we slowly realized that was frowned upon. I think similarly, we were both surprised to hear this. desperate housewives line because we were like, wow, a man calling a woman a bitch on a prime time show feels like a little violent. Like it's a, it's a jarring word to hear a man use that word against a woman, even in a joke, whatever. And it's really concerning that now it's back. And now men are calling women bitches openly and on a, on a prime time show, right?

You know, it's not even so much that. It's even like it's definitely the comeback of bitch for short, but it's watching, like, for example, this, this couple, Zach and Keda, and he ends up choosing her. He comes back from Casa. They are, like, hooking up and in the bed, like, you can, you know, we watch them have sex essentially, and he says, I love you multiple times. And then, and she just kept being like, shut up. Oh, my God. And then the next day, she's like, do you want to bring up what you were saying over? And he's like, I was just joking. I was just joking. It was a joke. and like just and she was like joking but it's this idea of like that you can that's not a okay thing to do right you know it's not about the word bitch it's about what this represents about it represents

you know that it's harmful to be like no I know I said I love you a couple times while we were banging but like I was just joking I was just joking sure we all say things during fucks that maybe you don't necessarily mean it's just that's the thing when you're on love, like I just don't think that that's just something. I just, I feel like that's more of a manipulative tactic than anything. That feels like, that feels like a man who has learned that you should lie to women to get what you want, which is. Oh, I'm sorry. Or he comes back to her and she was so, so excited.

And she's like, I knew that we were meant to be. I knew that we were meant to be. But he didn't tell her that the woman that he was hooking up within Casa got removed from Casa because she in the past had videos of her saying. the N word. And so he didn't tell her that. He didn't tell her that she finds out during movie night. And

then she's like, oh, so she was removed. So it wasn't that you chose me. It's that you had no other choice. And I think that, you know, people might say, listen, reality shows have always been based on this

type of thing. It's always the men are dirty dogs like that. And that is true. But even again, think back to like in 2020, 2021 when Love is Blind started and there was that guy shake, right, who kept wanting to figure out whether the women were bad. How heavy. Can I pick you up? I just remember, oh, could I pick you up at a concert? If we were at a concert, could I put you on my shoulders? And again, I feel like, so gross. But I feel like even though, I don't know. I don't think you're fucking strong enough, idiot. The mainstream consensus, even then was like, like the narrative, the articles written about that when I say mainstream consensus, like though the online discourse was like,

wow, this guy is a misogynist. And everybody kind of hated him for that. And I feel like what you're describing is, yeah, it's not a total qualitative break from what all of these reality shows have been establishing for years. But it does seem like what you're describing is that is a generation of men that is kind of like actively using that openly misogynistic language, actively embracing this openly a misogynistic behavior, which tracks with like what we have learned. about this generation of men and the online influences that they are being shaped by and all that. But it also goes further because as it's going on, the people are watching the show as it comes out. So like when Megan the Stallion came out, it's not like when you're shooting a regular reality show where it all gets edited out.

Like Megan the Stallion is watching the show. She was able to live dress down Corbyn because of what a. fucking piece of garbage he's been. Can I get a kiss? Can I get a kiss? That guy? Because honestly, he's with Parmita now

and they, you've never met more people better for each other. Because she just keeps up. She's like, I know they weren't meant to be together because I'm hot and you're hot. And I thought, Sunday, I'd pick you up in my car

and you'd get in my hot car and you'd say, I like your music. and then someday you'd pick me up in your hot car and then I'd get in the car and I'd see I like your music that's literally almost word for word what she said to him and he went oh god

and it was so funny because as they were in this challenge and they were all telling each other how disrespectfully each other was someone was yelling at Corbyn like you're mad disrespectful and he goes when when was I disrep oh wait yeah and that

I was just like, I want to cut his face off. I want to cut his face. But he also, that man couldn't manipulate if he tried. At least he's too dumb to gaslight. Like, Corbin actually isn't the biggest villain of Love Island because he's just simply too dumb to be able to outsmart any of the wind. You know what? Sometimes those men feel much safer than the other men. Yeah, that's fine.

Honestly, after watching him for a week. I really did at first think that he was the villain and I'm like, nah, he's just a dirty dog that's dirty dog and he found another dirty dog and that's exactly what he wanted. Like that they found each other and they immediately closed off. And she's like, I'm very picky.

I don't want any of the other men in here. Close off with me. And he's like, whoa. Oh, oh. Oh, like it just was the stupid. It's like, this guy? Okay, girl. I mean, he's, don't get me wrong, MJ.

very attractive. Like, of course, they're all very attractive on paper. But it's just the everything else about them. But, you know, you're really missing out in a lot of clam slams. A lot of people yell clam slam because Kenzie's always doing splits. And then she like, slams on the floor, slams on the floor. And everyone goes, clam, slam! So people have been screamed.

Jesus Christ. I mean me. I mean, me by myself at 6 o'clock in the morning watching Love Island. Are they calling it a clam slam on the show or are you calling it a clam slam? The internet is calling it clamslens, but now Megan Nostalian called it a clam slam in the episodes. So now they're all calling it clam slam. Wow. Wow.

Yeah. I mean, movie night. Again, people, are you aware that there's cameras on? Rise up. Like, you know, I understand Robert Durst forgot he had a body mic on when he, like, made that murder confession. You're on Love Island, you idiots. There's cameras everywhere. Stupid men.

And it just, I tell you what, MJ, I'm going to throw this out there for anyone that enjoys kissing men. And if you're currently single, don't watch Love Island. All of my friends that do enjoy men that watch Love Island and I talk to them and I'm like, how would you ever trust a man ever again? Yeah. Especially not a young one. I mean, that's really the thing. It's just making me really terrified by what's coming down the pipe.

Yeah, and I hate that because, like, I, you know, boys are great. Men are great. Like, I, I know, I don't hate men. I really, I genuinely, I'm not one of those like, oh, men, oh, God. Like, I don't look at you and want to put you in the ground. Totally. It's just, and I know that that's not the case. And it breaks my heart, too.

These generation, like these young men now, like I taught, I've taught for the, I've taught since 2009, like I taught these young men. I taught for years, I had a group of just middle school boys I worked with. They were the best. I was like, I love this age. And like, yeah, they were like learning how to be, you know, good people. But like all middle schools are learning how to be good people. Of course. And, you know, and I just, it like, it truly like breaks my, when I see these stories because there's so many stories about Gen Z men and, you know, and obviously all the clavicular stuff and the tates and all of that. And I like really like strongly like want to resist the narrative that obviously all Gen Z men aren't like that. I want to resist the narrative that this is a phenomenon

only because I want it to not be true, you know, but I think that it's like. No, because there are the Carls out there. There are the Dillans out there as well. Like Dylan, like Dylan, she's doing what she's supposed to do on Love Island. She's kissing and she's, you know, she's going on. She's kissing. And Dylan genuinely liked her. And she goes to him and she's like, I just want to let you know, I kiss Gall. And he's like, oh, okay. He's like, I know we're not closed off. I just, he's like, oh, he's like, was it a kiss or was it a makeout? And she's like, it was a makeout? And he's like, oh, okay. And then he takes it. And then he starts talking about how it made him feel. And she just went like, are you crying? But not even into like too judgmental of a way. Oh, yeah, just like shocked. And so they ended up walking away from each other and he walks over to Kada and Zach and he's like, she made out with call. And Kada's like, do you want to hug? And he's like, I know I shouldn't be.

And he's just like, the silent tears are coming. And I'm just like, this man, like, put it out, Dylan. Let it out. Like, honestly, you're one of the few people on this show that I can genuinely look at and be like, I feel bad for you. I mean, don't get me wrong. I feel bad for Anaya. I feel bad for Melanie. Oh, Melanie.

Oh, my God. I'm sorry, MJ. It's just sincere is such a piece of garbage and his name is sincere. And he has just lied to her over and over and over again. That's tough. And right now, so MJ, that was movie night, part one. Tonight is movie night, part two. How was it back in the stallion have time to watch Love Island?

She's on Broadway. Like how, like, there's so many episodes. MJ, it's important enough to make the time. Make the time. I go do six shows a week and then you come back and watch it. You have to watch it. You got to watch. I bet she watches it as she gets ready every day for her show.

You know, it's like, it's such perfect on in the background fodder. It really is. Yeah, yeah, because there's just so many hours of it. And sometimes the challenges, but then, man, that last challenge, it really was. And that piece of shit, Casey, they were. supposed to be like throwing frosting in their face as they're calling each other out. And Casey, little gremlin was the only man that kept trying to hide his face so they wouldn't get him in the face.

And she's like, fucking take it, you lying sack of garbage. Take the frosting in your face, you idiot. Oh my God, I was screaming in here earlier. I just by myself in the studio watching Love Island getting so angry by myself at 7 o'clock. morning. Now also, I think maybe that anger is is, is, is giving you some anger colored glasses because you also responded surprisingly, in my opinion, with anger towards those two people who climbed to the Empire State Building. Mild anger. Oh, no, that wasn't, no, that wasn't giving me anger. Oh, that wasn't giving you anger. I thought you were mild annoyance. No. No, no. The quote

choice was my mild annoyance. The flag. The mild annoyance at the, it was the kind of toothless, toothless flag. Yeah, okay. It was, but it is cute because I, and I'm saying, this as someone that does a full length show about Crescent City, but a part of Crescent City is that the two main, like, the best friend characters, they have a tattoo and it says, through love, all is possible.

And I know that that's a beautiful sentiment, but it is hard because there's also the bully part of me that wants to make fun of it, but I leave it out. I leave that out. But then the people that, walked up the Empire State Building, which is very funny because I am such a, I'm not, I'm going to say simpleton, because when I hear someone walks up the Empire State Building, I'm like, how'd they do it?

They're just like, just like walking sideways. I'm like, how would you even do that? Your shoes sticky? She calls herself Catwoman, and she wears a little catwoman. And did you see the picture of them together? Yeah. Attractive people. Yeah.

Very attractive people. And they climbed it up. And yeah, everyone, you know, we're here in New York, we love a spectacle. And everyone was like, yay, people are on the Empire State Building. You can watch their love story as they fall in love in the documentary, Skywalker's, a love story. And also for those that don't know, these people that, so Jeff came up to me yesterday and was like, oh, did you see the people that climbed the Empire State Building? And my quote unquote joke was, oh, was it Mom Donnie? And he said, no, it wasn't Mom Donnie.

It was the people from the Skywalker's documentary. And then he showed me because after they put up that, which the quote does say, when the power of love beats the love of power, the world knows peace. And I, it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful sentiment. It resonated strongly with my eight and six year old, like deeply. Yes, of course. Yes. If you love unicorns, like this is.

is the quote for you. Like I, I do. You know I want love and peace. That is of all that I want. And I know. It was just a, it was a love protest. Yeah. I appreciate a love protest.

It is. But I also genuinely, when Jeff showed me that on their way back down, he proposed. That's nice. And that did make me. Yeah. It's cute. Although they weren't in midwalk. I feel like they should have been walking.

you know, like actually horizontally and then he, like if you can get down on your knee as you're walking up horizontally up the Empire's Day building, that's a feat. Yeah. No, it's on knee, but. Yeah. I agree. I thought the message was very nice, but I mean, I was expecting it to be like a political message or like, you know, no, stop. Love is political, MJ. Don't forget about that. Yeah. And we see it on Love Island, okay? Yeah, we know. I know. But, but also. But, you know, but. Also, what were they going to put up there that I was going to be like, no, like, what was I going to be like, hell Satan? You know, it's like, yeah, I thought like it was like something like rock and roll. I feel like that I would really get behind. But, you know, I would also be annoyed if it was like a big flag of grogoo and everyone's like, oh my God, the puppet. He's a baby. It's the old. It's a baby.

Yeah, yeah. Obviously, I mean, it would have been cool if it was like protect trans kids or, you know, free Palestine or whatever. But what I understand now is that these were just two beautiful people who love. to climb. And they love story, MJ. They love love. It's a love story.

MJ just say, I'm fine with it. Yes, I am also, I am also fine with it. I love a spectacle. I love people outside. She must love the Tay and Trave wedding. Oh my God.

I don't. I'm upset. They're going to close off the area at MSG, Jackie. How am I supposed to get to New Jersey on Saturday? How are you supposed to get to New Jersey? Oh, but MJ, I think it's like, I think it makes sense to really shut down

the middle hub of the biggest city in the world during a holiday weekend. I think it's fine. I think it's fine. While the U.S. is winning to like all the U.S. is winning to like all the U.S.S. is winning. In New Jersey, they're playing in like the World Cup. I don't know if there's a game that day. Yeah, maybe you should fly there, MJ.

Have you thought about growing wings? I'm not talking about a PJ. You would sooner grow wings than you would find a PJ to get into. So what I'm saying is I could make. you an elixir. We could try, maybe we can tape some feathers onto your arms. And I will say, you know, Tay fans, I know we hear from you and you say, hey, listen, now that Holden is gone, there's no one going to bat for Tay. And you and, you and Jackie love to Taye height. And that is occasionally true, although Jackie and I do try to remind you guys that we love many Taylor Swift songs.

We sing them. It's like very sadly do like a good portion of her music. And you know that I'm filled with a shame. And, you know, and we can love all these parts of ourselves, but I do love Taylor fans for many reasons, one of which is that some of you, not all of you, but many of you, some of you, are crazy. And so the Taylor Swift people are now tracking the activity around the two block radius of MSG. They are tracking where her security guy is. They are tracking where the Kansas City chiefs are. Oh, I know.

I've seen all the headlines. And they're like taking pictures of everything that is like, shrouded in black, like everything is like trying to be so secret. She's already fired like multiple people of like people that have like taken a picture of something. Like there's like tractor trailers loading stuff in and the cover of night, you know. And yeah, like all these chiefs are in Manhattan and they're like, why are all these chiefs in Manhattan if she's not getting married?

So yeah, it's like this big undercover operation. They are creating like a perimeter around undercover at all. Like it's all. Yeah. Overcover. I will say I did see. people saying that, you know, because I was like, I just find the, I got married indoors in Manhattan, but the idea of being married in the summer in a gym, you know, a large, a large gym seems so

strange to me. But obviously, if you're Taylor Swift, there's going to be, if you're outside, there's going to be drones. There's going to be, you know, I don't know if she's going to be. But also, there's going to be performances. Like, that's also part of it that, like, they're using the, you know, the MSG to have performances like this party. And that's cool. that's supposed to happen on Friday. It's supposed to go until like 3 o'clock in the morning or something. So there's supposed to be performances all day, all night kind of thing. And that she could, and that the main thing I guess that I didn't really consider because I don't think about what it's like to be Taylor Swift is that she can protect the privacy more at an indoor venue like that than an outdoor venue, which is totally fine.

It's just that that indoor venue happens to be in the middle of a very dense city next to a transit hub that is. Penn Station, which is the only way to get out of Manhattan via public transit. I mean, that's not true. There's other ways. But, like, it's the way I'm getting out of Manhattan on the Fourth of July. Tapping feathers to your arms. I already told you what you're supposed to do, MJ. And I'm actually maybe going to Jersey on Friday and then coming back Saturday.

And I am legit, like, is Wheel Jersey Transit the opening? No, you're not. Can I exit Penn Station into 34th Street and 7th Avenue if she's getting married? on Saturday? I don't know if I can't. I might be living in the subway station. Or go to the wedding. Like, I'm sure you could just stop by. You know, it's in the middle of Manhattan. And I think that, like, I just, I'm assuming that they had like a small ceremony somewhere, right? I think that's, I think that's the speculation is that they had like a nice little. And that's, again, listen, throw in a big music party for your wedding sounds bomb. I hope they have a great time. I hope that all the stars are out tonight. You know, I I hope that everyone's having a great time.

She deserves it. I wish this for her. It's just that I'm deeply concerned about my ability to take New Jersey Transit to New Jersey because the hub of Jersey Transit is next to Madison Square Garden and it's going to be complicated. Have you thought about picking up your children playing them like an air guitar about it? Maybe if you played them like an air guitar outside of Penn Station that maybe they'd be like, oh, wow, this person is. unhinged. Why don't we let them on the train? I am, don't make me be in the position to defend Frankie Munes. I'm not interested in being the person to defend Frankie Munes, but I truly think he

did nothing wrong in this case. I think that, I think in general, he is a young man who has in some ways struggled to find the way. And we all saw that video where he's talking to Brian Cranston about Skyler White in Breaking Bad, and he is completely wrong. And he's like, Scott was a bitch. From 2014, it says, I have about four dreams a week that I got shot in. Last night, I could actually feel the burn of the bullets as they entered my chest and heart. You know, sometimes at 7 p.m. you think I got to tweet this out. I have to let people know. You become famous when you're 10 and, you know, he's a 10-year-old in a 40-year-old man's body. And is that why they named the child Maus Mosley-Munis? And that's not even what this is about.

But Maus Mosley-Munis is just a difficult, maybe, is it because he didn't grow up in his brain? Is that what it is? Do you think that it's, I know that Mouse, the book about- I'm thinking of, oh, I'm thinking about Mao's, the graphic novel. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking about. That's with an S. That's what it's from, yes. But then I'm like, why would Frankie Muna's name his child after this graphic novel about

the Holocaust? I mean, maybe it's possible. Maybe he loves that book. Novel. Everybody loves that book. It's really, go grab a novel. But in any case, he and his wife are getting Divorso, and they made a video about it to announce it, and the video

they made announcing the divorceo is really fun. It's like an aerial view of their very nice house, and they're dancing around, and there's like a kind of pop punk jam playing, and then, yes, he does play his little boy like an air guitar, which I have no problem with. Little children love to be played like an air guitar. So I got no problem with that, but the Internet was very upset with it.

them so much so that he deleted it. And what are they upset about? You did your divorce announcement was too fun. Is that the upset? I think it's just cringe. I think it's cringe to put out a divorce announcement where you're jumping around and it like in the divorce announcement it like says in type of like when you're still friends with your baby mama and like, yeah, who says you can't be besties with your baby mama? With your baby mama. That's a nice sentiment though. Cringe. I don't, cringe is a, the young people get many things right. I'm picked of the baby like an air guitar. I just, to announce your divorce, like can you imagine, MJ, you're in the middle of,

even if it's an amicable divorce, going to get him like, okay, cameras up there, right? Song starts, we're dancing, we're dancing, Mousy comes in, right? We're dancing, we're dancing, and we're, but we're showing, it's a happiness we're showing, but also it's a pain that we're showing. Like, can you imagine coming up? Like, I come up with content ideas all the time. I can't imagine pitching a divorceo content bit to my husband. Yeah, I'm with you.

But if you got it, there's no, if you got to make a divorce show enough to bring it down. I'm happy he did. I'm happy he did. I didn't want to watch the child be played like an air guitar. I'm happy that I don't have to look at it anymore. I know. And I'll bet that many people will be on your side. But many things are true.

Many people will be on your side too. I just, if you look at it, like look it up. It is just, if you can find it, it was played is to the tune of we the Kings' check yes, Juliet. And I just don't know why they brought the child into it. That's fair. Just generally not bring the child into it at all. Yeah.

Because like, I know that this is stupid, but like if you think about it, it's like you're not divorcing the child. Like I know that obviously a child is going to be a part of a divorce, but shouldn't you in the terms? Like you understand, MJ. Like you're a divorce lawyer. You're trained to be a guidance counselor. No,

you understand of like that a child is not a part of the divorce. Like it should be, right, right? I'm not saying they told Mao's like, mommy and daddy hate each other, but we're going to put out a syrup video. So everybody thinks it's sweet. And I don't think they're saying that to the kid, but I think that's actually, though,

I think why I found it nice because the idea of the video is like, yes, we are, not going to be married to each other anymore, but we are both still this kid's parent, and we can both still have fun. We could all have fun together, and we're all still a family in one way, you know, and I do agree that in, I mean, obviously, I'm a huge fan of not bringing your children into it if you're a celebrity. And so that, I think, is legit. I, it is a little cringe because it's very, yeah, but like, I don't know, I was just reading the

Jenny Malin article talking about her and Jason Biggs' separation. And that's also very awkward. And I just don't know, I don't know if there's a good way to make a divorce announcement if you're a celebrity. Well, at least that mom is not talking about wanting to bang mouse, you know? Like, at least there's none of that in there. It's not like, oh, how sexy my kid is as he gets air guitared, you know? I'm very glad there's none of that sentiment going on.

So at least, yeah, very separate from the Jenny Malin situation. But, you know, MJ, I am going to throw it out there. as something. You know what? I'm a person that can admit when they're wrong every once in a while. Uh-huh. And this is one of those times. I watch sheep detectives.

And you loved it? And I loved it. I loved it. I cried. Next up, miniature wine. I cried. Really? ride at the sheep being detectives.

I don't understand how CGI works, but those sheep could emote. I love the goddamn sheep. I was so into the story. I thought I wouldn't give a shit at all, but I give a sheep. That's how much I

care. Jeff and I both cried. I'm out and him out too. We both cried at the damn movie. It's great. And it's streaming now and it's great. I'm a I'm not only happy for you, but I'm embarrassed. I'm proud of you for admitting that you were wrong. This happens sometimes and it's okay.

Thank you. Thank you. We're all right. Sometimes. I'm really glad that I watched it and it is MJ, you and Gideon got to watch it. Yeah, we love a sheep detective. It's just a goddamn delight. You love a cozy mystery to MJ.

I do. I do. It is the sheep are figuring out the mystery because Hugh Jackman used to read the mystery novels, so they have all of this, like, these, like, of how to figure out what happened. And it is adorable! I hate how adorable! And to a point that I was like, do we need to watch Paddington again? Like, it was like that level of just like, this is, and watching Hugh Jackman with the fucking she, I was just like, oh, I love, like, he cares about that.

Like, it just, it's so good. And also, like, they got such crazy actors to be. I had no, I just knew Hugh Jackman was in this. It is just, like, they got so many crazy people to do the voice acting. They got every, like, it's just, Emma Thompson's wonderful. Nicholas Braun is wonderful. And it's just, it's a really, it was a really, and honestly, MJ, I put it on and I, I, wasn't in a good mood.

And I was like, do I really want to watch? sheep detectives right now. Angrily loading up sheep detectives. But then I cried, like I got so into it that it did bring me out of being annoyed. Wow. Yeah. That's great. The power of sheep. The power of sheep. Actually, it's the power of wool, yeah. And climbing people love, the sheep when they proposed. Yes. See, I have to remember these things whenever I think about movie night in the villa. Like, think about the good things. Think about there's other good things. Speaking of good things, and also because we've been talking about bad masculinity, did you get a chance to watch that clip of John Sina and Pete Davidson that I posted?

Did you see this going around? Okay. So I want to talk about this clip that I don't, I need to actually look up the whole context. I think Pete Davidson's new show, is that it? But he's talking, he's like in conversation with John Sina and it's like in like a black box kind of theater looking situation. And John Sina.

Got Make a Wish. Yeah. And so, so Pete Davidson says to John Cena, like, I know you've done a lot of work with the Make a Wish Foundation. And I did a Make a Wish once. Like someone requested me for their Make a Wish. And I, like, really struggled with it. And John Cena, fucking icon of healthy, positive masculinity. Especially because you know what he said immediately as Pete Davidson was like, I struggled with it.

And he just went. Tell me about it. Talk about it. This is fucking give this clip to every 12-year-old boy to be like, this is how you- To everyone in the villa. Send him to the men in the fucking villa of how to have a con for fucking say shit. To like be like this, like you don't have to say anything except talk about it. Do you create the space?

I mean, they call the kids little bitches. Like I'm reading the captions like these little bitches, these dine-ass bitch. So don't worry. There's a little bit of that. I'm kidding. They're not. Like, it's. So sweet. And that was why I saw it going viral was this moment where Pete Davidson's like,

yeah, I really struggled with it. And then John Cena just goes to talk about it. And everyone's like, like, like, normalized two men, like, kind of, like Pete Davidson kind of opens the door to vulnerability. And then John Cena is just like, if you want to say more, you can. And then it opens the door for Pete Davidson. He's like, he's like, I did all this like special stuff after my dad died. And I got to go to Toys R Us and do a shopping spree. And I got to do all this. I got to meet famous people. and he was like, it was really nice, but it was always, like, linked with this, of a tragedy. Yeah, with this grief and loss and tragedy in my mind. And so he was like, I felt all this pressure with the make-a-wish. Like, it was bringing up all this trauma for me. And, like,

I was worried, like, what if I'm not going to be fun enough? And that even though this is, like, this fun thing, it's also because of this, like, you know, really devastating situation. And then John Cena just talks about being like, yeah, like, if you're going to do this, you have to be able to like just fully show up and be present and be there for this family and know that it's not about you and that your job is to like try to give the families you're working with like the most incredible experience you can and not everybody should do it because it's really, really hard. And it's this just fucking beautiful conversation. Like I don't think anyone's usually holding up Pete Davidson as like an icon of like incredible, you know, healthy communication.

But he has talked about his trauma and his past quite a bit. Totally. has put it into his projects. Like that is something that like emotional communication does seem to be instilled inside of Pete Davidson. And you can see it in this conversation especially because what is so beautiful is oftentimes when someone is sharing, of course, you want to immediately give your feedback of your experience and stuff like that. But in this conversation, it's also beautiful to watch that for good chunk of it. When after John Cena goes, talk to me about it. he just like they keep like going back to John Cena and he's genuinely like quiet.

Quietly nodding. And even letting Pete Davidson like pause and then continue the thought like in that idea of like that therapist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't fill the silence. Don't fill the silence. Yeah.

Let them fill the silence. And he does. And it's this beautiful moment. It is. That Pete Davidson uses the opportunity to process the feelings he was having about it. Totally. John Sina supports and validates him. Supports, validates, and then talks about his experience.

But, yeah, first completely is like, oh, this was something that's hard for you. I would love to hear more about that. And yeah, it's just so beautiful. And also, yeah, Pete Davidson's very vulnerable. He's like, he was like, also one of the things I was struggling with is that I don't have very good self-esteem. And so the idea that somebody chose me for this thing felt like I felt like I don't deserve this.

I'm not good enough to do this. And yeah, I'm just like, oh, my God. Like, this is especially because of what we were talking about earlier and all the like really bad examples of masculinity that are that are like being funneled via algorithm to young men right now. I was so moved to see this like very heartfelt, very vulnerable, very honest conversation between two celebrities. I just, I just loved it. Yes. And really it is. It's cleansing after movie. After movie day. Reminding yourself that there are some emotionally communicative men that do exist. We know they exist. Similarly, them. They live.

live in our lives. Yeah, of course. They're all around us. The good men are everywhere. But also, like, the clip you sent of Seth Rogan and Keanu Reeves talking about how rich people should have more shame and they should donate to public libraries and stuff more often. And they don't do that anymore. And yeah, also, too great. And then a bunch of people on the internet were like, oh, you're rich too. And it's like, guess what, you idiot. They're not anything. They're not fucking Elon Musk. There's a difference between, like, the hammers and Elon Musk's and Seth Rogan. There's a difference. there's a difference in the wealth. Totally. And like, yes, it sucks to, like, obviously,

Seth Rogen's not, like, struggling financially. And yes, a lot of times rich people lose perspective. But if you have two wealthy people talking about how wealthy people should do better with their money, that's a good thing, not a bad thing. And when we talk about, like, why wealth is bad, it's not just because, like, you're a movie star, you make money. It's because there's, like, 10 men single-handedly controlling all the resources on the planet and destroy. And, destroying it, and Elon Musk is one of them, you know, and Keanu Reeves and Seth Rogen are not even, if you, you know, when you do those examples of like the difference in a million and a billion. Also, specifically, Keanu Reeves has given away so much of his salary, has given back to so many, you know,

people that have worked on his films. Like, he is not, like, he's the opposite of that guy as well. Like, he's not just hoarding a huge amount of wealth. So for everyone to be like, you don't get it. You're right. They don't struggle to pay their bills. You are correct. But everyone understands that people and like being liquid and how much you are worth is all nebulous. It all really just depends on, you know, what you do with it and how you, you know, we do are, and we are aware that back in the day you could be a celebrity and make a bunch of money off of friends and then live a whole rest of your life.

But that's just not how it is anymore. Yeah. So it's also remembering that, that, you know. But it is, yeah, Elon Musk could be helping out a little bit. He could be helping out a little more. But we don't need to go down that road. When you do the little examples of like how long a billion, a million seconds is versus how long a billion seconds is, there's just a big difference. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. And, yeah, there's a lot of seconds in there. But you know what there was a lot of seconds in? What? Supergirl. And it was, I did. How was it? Bad?

You're looking. Well, I saw it. Oh. It happened to me and I did watch it. And you know what? I'm even going to say, MJ, before I went in, everyone was like, mad, mid. And I was like, I don't even know that much about these. Like, am I even going to be able to tell that it's mid?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can, you can. And it's too bad because I really like Millie Alcock a lot. Like, I like her a lot. I think she's a very, very talented actress. And Jason Mamoa looked like he was having a blast. Yeah. But it really was, there was, and I was just reading about that, I guess James Gunn specifically chose the needle drop in the end, like, the final 15 minutes of this movie solidified. I think it went from in my brain from like a, like B minus to a D just even because of the needle drop.

Like it just, and apparently James Gunn chose it like the week of release. Like there was like they tried 45 different songs that they were trying to put because with Supergirl, of course, I didn't know any of these things. But Jeff was explaining to me that the section of graphic novels is based off of that Supergirl was really, oh God, I'm going to fuck it up. I'm going to fuck it up. She was really into like 70s, I want to say Prague rockers, like something like that. She was into a specific kind of music. Okay. So I understood that they were trying to bring in like a contemporary-esque version of what she's.

listened to in the graphic novel. And it just sucked all. And it was just, man, MJ, you know I'm not usually the type that looks. And maybe it's I'm just because I'm in the villa. I'm not usually the type of person that looks for women being held back in a movie kind of thing. Like I'm trying, I try to not look at it with that negative scope. But I really felt like watching the movie.

I could feel when they were pitching this movie that all the old men were like, But then Superman comes in and saves her, right? Really? But wait a second, whiz, but that's not, that is not what happens to movie. I'm not, I've not spoiled the movie. That's not what happens. It's just literally, like, the idea of, like, there's got to be some kind of man that comes in and helps, right? And it was just so jammed in there.

And it's just, and then they also were trying to do this, like, girl power. Kind of thing of, like, girls can fight, too, where it's 2026. I just, yeah, I know. Yeah, I fucking, like, I was even like, oh, there's the dog in it. But the whole thing about the movie, which I didn't know was that you got to help the dog. And so I didn't even get the dog through the whole movie.

So I just, I didn't. I'll never watch it again. I would say that if you, because they are, I think, going to be building her into the world of super, like into, it seems. Yeah.

So, but so you like the actress. Yes. But I'm excited. to watch more Supergirl. Yeah. But because I like, they went so far into her backstory that it's like to really be like, she's different than Superman.

It's like, yes, we get it. Or else it would have been Superman and Supergirl the entire time. Right. We know it's different. But they really, I, uh, it wasn't good. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's also, it's just tough. Superman was so good.

So good. It was just so good. Yeah. And it's cool that they, I know that Supergirl is canon and it's totally cool to bring it And, yeah, I mean, again, also great to have a woman superhero to be front and center, be the star, be the headliner and all that. And also, I think I know what you mean that sometimes. But can't Jason Momoa come in here and clean some stuff up? Like, yeah, how can't we have a come in here?

And sometimes movies do when they're like, it's a bit self-congratulatory. Sometimes when they're like, we have made a woman hero, you know, and they're like waiting for their panel. I could hear them sucking themselves out. Like, you hear it. Yeah, exactly. Wow, look at them go. But I will throw it out there. We saw the trailer for Clayface, and again, I don't know anything about DC.

Like, I don't know anything. But the trailer for Clayface was very creepy. And look, and really creepy the fuck. I was like, ooh, I'm going to watch the hell out of that. So that's in the universe. Clayface. Clayface. But it was written by Mike Flanagan, yeah.

Oh, okay. All right, that's fun. I'll ask Gideon about that. I'm just excited because I already have my evil dead burn tickets. It looks awesome. It looks awesome. The trailer is scary. I refuse to look at anything else.

Man, this is a great year for horror. But also because we're getting Vindaf. We're going to have Vennivalv at some point. And, oh, man, are they, they are hiring some character-looking actors on that Valdivov. on that Vervoof. What word are you saying? Vend vof. It's werewolf.

Weirw. But it is, yeah, but it's said, it's, it's not, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, W-E-R-W-U-L-F for the movie, so I'm calling it. It is the German way. Verve-V-O-K. Okay. Yeah, it is the German way. But while I am watching Harlan Cobens, I will find you, which is not true crime, but it is my

other shit, which is airport book mysteries. Harlan Coben writes hundreds of books. They're all at the airport. It's about a man who's been... How are you? Do you have Velcro shoes? I feel like you are 75 on the inside. I've never heard this person's name before.

I can't believe they've written hundreds of books. So what's going... Like, are there any sheep? And I shouldn't shit at all. I mean, I was just, I was screaming sheep minutes ago. So I, I honestly wonder how many books Harlan Coben has written. He's like one of those. He's like, I was never like a John Grisham person. But you know how just like you just go to the airport and there's just, you're just like, oh, here are 450 John Grisham books. You know, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, paperback page turn or mysteries about. And yeah, there are not books that you go to for like, it's not, I wouldn't call it literary fiction. Okay. But it is like paperback page turn or mysteries about. men and and you know that the font is bold you know and it's all oh mj there's a whole line of his movies on netflix oh my god this is great this is great news i because i was like look at them bringing harland cobb into the moving pictures i thought he was just ever heard mj this is great this is great news all listen to the titles of his books they all sound the same i will find you

just one look fool me once stay close Tell no one. Safe. Yeah. Missing you. They're all three words. No second chance. Run away.

Gone before goodbye. Wow. How do you ever tell? Although, to be fair, as someone that is in number five of Sookie Stackhouse and every book has the word dead in it. And I always, I'm like, I don't remember which one this was. Okay. It's dead as a door nail or it's dead alive or is that something.

Like, there's always dead something. But this will really get you. How do you ever know if you, how many times, MJ, have you picked up Harlan-Coban book and didn't realize until you were almost done with it. Wait a second. I've read this before. This has happened to me. I don't know if it has. Because all the books I read have titles like this. And sometimes they're by women and sometimes they're by men. They're all at the airport. It's that genre of book. But yeah, because you're never at the airport. And I love, though, that you are still holding down the airport bookstore books. It's as if I can't go to the library,

but I can only get my books at the airport. That's the type of books I read. But yes, Harlan Cobens, I will find you, is on Netflix, and the redhead from Severance is there, and I really like her. And I don't know the rest of the actors, but it's, you know, it's a mini-series. It's if you, I do hear from the people who are like, I, like, because I don't, you're the horror person, and I am like, I like more the thrillers and the mysteries. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And so, and I also like true crime a little bit more than you, I think. But, yeah, so if you are in the MJ universe and you like the, you know, dark brooding man has been wrongfully imprisoned universe, you're going to love the Harlan Cobins. I will find you. So go have fun. You're welcome. Is this one a new, like, is this a new one? Or is this just one of them? The man has so many books I could not tell you.

It's just like, you know, and especially when you. 2023. Okay, 20203. So not that long ago. Yeah, the book is 23. But yeah, I mean, I think the man has just so many books and they are all the same. Wow. Wait, so he was wrongly convicted of a murder, but his son was in prison and escaped. This whole family, talk about drama. Oh, my God. Who's got the time? I'd be like, let him escape. Let him go. Yeah, I mean, he's been writing books since 1990 as far as I can tell. So and I... churn and him out. churning them out. I want to say one, two, three, four, five times one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.

I'm looking at 40 Harlan Cobin book covers right now, and that can't possibly be anywhere close to all of them. Well, you have to read Gone Before Goodbye. Gone Before Goodbye. It's a novel by Harlan Cobin and Reese Witherspoon. That's interesting. MJ, it's a celebrity hybrid. Oh, do you think that she died? in it? Or do you think that she's going to try and sell the book as a, that's probably what it is. She's going to try to probably sell the book with him to make it into a movie.

And also, I don't know if you're Google, if you're looking at the... Oh, because she plays a disgraced army combat surgeon. You know this fucking bitch is going after this role already. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's 2025. So yeah, this would definitely, and especially because it seems to me that the, that the new, the, I will find you has been pretty successful, pretty popular on Netflix that I'm actually surprised. I mean, I'm glad to hear that he has made other movies. before, but it's just like, yeah, it's just like popcorn. It's just like, this is a thriller with an attractive man and an attractive woman.

And it's perfect movie material. It's like Gone Girl was such a huge hit. And there are thousands of books like that, you know, and I honestly feel like the cover of Gone Before Goodbye is trying to be like, this is basically like Gone Girl, but a little different, you know, and that's what I want. Which is exactly what you love. Thank you. Thank you.

Just don't, yeah, don't beat around the bush here. Let me know. It's just like that and I will read it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And you know, it's nice because you both, you and I both get anxiety when we finish a book or finish a series. And it's nice when you find someone like Harlan Coben because you'll never run out of more books exactly like the one you just read. Yes.

And you can just, I just, I imagine they all get jumbled up because like at least with Sookie Stackhouse, every book they're adding a new supernatural element. So it's like, that's how I can. keep up with what happened in what book. But if there's not even any kind of supernatural transformation, are any of them the same? Is it like what's the fat old single bitch in your other cozy mysteries? What's her name? Hannah. Hannah Swenson. Hannah Swenson. Yeah. Is it like big fat Hannah Swenson? Big frumpy single Hannah Swenson. No, I would just- never going to get a man if she keeps eating her own cookies. I'll tell you what. The Hannah The Henson universe is one where murders do happen in every book, but like there's never any blood, there's never any gore. It's just like a body. And that's, it's, they are literally G-rated mysteries. Like I sometimes, if I'm wanting to listen to a book and I don't have headphones and my kids are around, I will listen to the Hannah Swenson series because I know nothing scary is going to happen. Whereas the Harlan Coben universe is much more a, we're, we're shooting and we're kidnapping and we're dying and we're going to prison and we're

murdering, you know, it's, it's more like that, yeah. Oh, hell yeah. I mean, I get it. I mean, it sounds like, you know, it's a bumped up and that's nice. And I guess it makes them not as cozy as the other mysteries. I wouldn't describe them as cozy. Yeah, I would describe them as gritty. Oh, not like the Philadelphia hockey mascot, but still. Are you sure? Because I think that every time you go up and you're like, oh my God, how'd you get in here? And he's just like, slip it around on the ice, you know? Every time you say the word gritty, you do summon Gritty the mascot and he appears with his big googly eyes. He's trying to get in my pants, but not to F me, he just wants to wear them. What does you want to get in your clothes?

They don't fit, Gritty, they don't fit. Sometimes you just got to yell at the gritties that you see that nobody else sees, MJ. And one thing I am going to eventually get you to watch is Rory. I do need you to watch Real Housewives of Rhode Island just so that you can, I feel that in my house I have, I talk like them a lot. And like it's a lot.

I try to do my Rhode Island, but like it's where I'm just really, really annoyed. Mostly between acting like Corbyn and acting like the women from Real Housewives of Rhode Island. I think I'm really trying to see if Jeff would ever leave me. Yeah, test him. It's just, it's a test. Yeah.

These are marriage tests you have to do every once in a while. Sometimes it's bit related, you know? I have, there's a mom in the neighborhood who is like a real, real housewives person and specifically loves SLC. And whenever I see her, we like talk about, you know, I ask like, you know, which real house vibes are you on right now? And she was like, have you started Rhode Island? And I was like, no, but my friend and my co-host is obsessed with it.

And she was like, Rhode Island is almost as good as SLC. Like, she was like, if you like what SLC has to offer, like. Like this really exactly the same that you can't really tell the difference to it until you know how hard their husbands have fucked them over. And that's how you start to distinguish them. Yeah. Yeah. And like it also sounds like, yeah, just like the way that the specific geographic realities of this specific place infuse the women's personalities. Is that what so that's like I should watch all of the Real Housewives for that reason because I love learning about regional differences.

If I had regional difference is fascinating. And so, yeah. I mean, even down to like, you're so right because like when we talk about in SLC, when they would make fun of Meredith Marks for renting her homes and they would always make fun of her. But then in Real Housewives of New York, you see that like the really, really rich do live in apartments. They just own floors or they own the whole building. But they do usually live in apartments. And like that's something that outside of.

of New York would never be. You know what I mean? Yeah. And seeing the rich culture, especially, I mean, for New York, I'm still back in like 2010, so I'm living in a different time, you know? Yeah, but that's also cool. Where the sluts were really able to rain fire down on. I would love to go back to 2010 New York.

Like, that's another reason I should be watching. God, I would. I would. Oh, God. I mean, I would, in theory, but not to me. If I could go back as me, I'd, at this age, learning what I've learned, sure. But I also, I was making a lot of mistakes in 2010, MJ.

Totally. I just mean, like, I, you know, back when, like, the East Village still looked like how I pictured in my mind instead of what it looks like now. You know what I mean? Oh, what does it look like now? There's just banks everywhere. Like, you know, it's like, it's like all of the place, Gideon and I, when we met, he lived in the East Village, like, all the restaurants we used to go to our clothes.

Like, you know, all of the, like, the first place I ever had a sushi that I enjoyed and then became obsessed with sushi. Like, that's closed. Like, we can't go to many of our old haunts anymore because the East Village has just been such so wildly gentrified that it's just, it's just different. Obviously, Bushwick's the same. Like, you know, this is just, it's now I definitely have nothing against people moving to New York. Obviously, I love artists move to New York. Even Taylor Swift move to New York, make your album. But there is such a, like, infusion of, like, specifically like,

to New York. Bankers and hedge fund people that that's what I think changing some of the. And that's why I like, when I think of 2010's New York, I think of it as a place where you could still, you know, I mean, I paid for. Concrete jungles where dreams were made of. I paid $400 for rent to sleep in the hallway in my friend's apartment. And I liked it. And I liked it. Great year. Great year. And I think what you're looking for, MJ, have you thought about getting AI glasses. And then you don't have to look at reality anymore. You could just put some sort of filter over it. And then you can. never have to see it ever again. Yeah, and then I can photograph women and children without them knowing. Without their permission. Isn't that what we need?

Isn't that what we need? Isn't that what we need? And you know who I want to tell me about it? I want it to be a member of the Kardashian family because I think that they really have their finger on the pulse. And I think that they're... That's really good. Because if you want to ask air glasses, anything, you should get the kind of.

She'll be like, MJ turn right. M.J. Turn right. Or whatever she's going to say. Like, what do they mean when the AI glasses have Kylie Jenner's voice? I know that I am living in the past. I don't have AI glasses. Where does the voice?

I guess that must mean that there are speakers in the glasses, right? So does that mean that it just because in my brain, where I was thinking of was it was Kylie's voice doing the GPS that was saying a. allowed where you had to walk and that's what I assume that Kylie Jenner a gas I don't know how to cut an apple

a guess you could keep going straight At the traffic circle take the second exit meanwhile you're like already through traffic circle I can't speak faster speak faster You're just a traffic circle hell

because Kylie Jenner can't It's just so crazy energy to speak I'm looking up like because I genuinely was just like, what do AI glasses do, right? It's just a lot of people have the, like, I already don't want the watch

because I want to be able to put the phone over there. I don't want it. But also, I have the privilege of being able to say that because I don't have children. I don't have anything that relies on me. So it doesn't really, and I understand people that have children. That's a completely different thing.

I'm not talking about that. But it's still good practice. It's like reading a paper book just so that you're not looking at a screen sometimes, you know? Right. I actively have to do this for my mental health. Same. And I can't imagine having it because it's like you can real time like look at an object and be able to identify it.

And I just, I picture Kylie Jenner like looking at a banana and be like, what is it? Oh my God, I was going to say banana. That's a banana. That's a banana. Walking around. What's that? What's that? What?

It's a stop sign. You're an idiot. It says stop. Didn't you see that? It's just like, what's that? That's a mailbox. And if that's what the glasses are saying at all times, then I guess good for you. Have I been looking at reality and needed a robot to tell me what is before my eyes?

Never. I can't think of a single time that it would help to have a robot explain. in what I'm looking at. Like, I literally can't. It even, it's just like hands-free communication. You can make phone calls, stick, take text messages. I can do all of that with my phone. Like, I'm not trying to be a boomer of like, oh, they keep me.

Like, I get it. There is an advancement of technology. I'm not against all advancements of technology. It's just I really think. I mean, I drew the line for me personally at the watches just because I don't want it connected to my body all the time. Also, let's be real. I'm going to forget to put on the watch and I'm never going to fucking use it.

That's really more of the, I think, overall thing. I don't put on a regular watch. I don't think I'm going to start putting it on. It'll be like, you are dead. You have no pulse, you know. Good. I'm glad. And I should be thankful for it.

But also I will throw it out there. I did, you know, like Henry and I had gotten one for our mom who is, it's like she goes out and walk. It's like it alerts people if you fall down. You know, it's like it's really helpful. Like for old people. It's very helpful for many things. A lot of the kids. I worked with in middle school had watches because their parents were trying to delay phone,

but the watch you can call your parents, you can still use the GPS, you can text your friends. Yeah, I think, and Gideon has a watch and loves it. And it's like, especially, yeah, because if you're monitoring your health, it'll give you all your, and it's very, you know, it's very, it's very into like his sleep data. Oh my God, the sleep data. MJ, I can't believe we've never talked about our husbands talking about their sleep data before. I can't believe we've never discussed this before. Tell me more about your sleep data. Okay, good. Okay, good. Oh, yeah. Yeah, respiratory. Okay, good. Yeah, I'm just, we have to support. I'm trying to validate. You know, it's good that they are careful of their, I think they're just fascinated by the sleep stuff.

Because in my brain, I'm like, how does it do it? It's on your arm. But, you know, I'm not a doctor. No, to me, I don't know these things. It feels like hocus pocus. And it also feels like, I think, yeah, for both of our husbands, it's like the only way they can access, like, embodiment, like, is via technology. Like, rather than just, like, for my husband, it's like, listening to his own body is like, he doesn't know what those words mean, you know, but if it is like via an app, he will be like, wow, my body has been getting rest. And I'm like, could you feel that just by your own life experience? No. Oh, see, now this kind of, see, now this, I understand. I was reading just quickly through a Reddit of like talking about like, genuinely, what do you use your smart glasses for? Someone that is hard of hearing is able to put on captions to be able to read. time translates so that it helps this person be able to hear and understand other people. That's cool. That's fucking awesome. Yeah. That's like minority report shit.

Like that's so cool to be able to do. Like that's what I'm saying. Like I know that there are used for it. It's just Kylie being like, I guess they said this, you know, I feel like she's just going to put and I know that that's not what it's going to be. But if not, I'm wasting your time. I think that I would not like, yeah. I am a boomer about technology and I don't like updates.

Don't make me update my software. You know, I like I do, I really, really struggle with it. But I think that I could be totally fine with the stupid glasses if they did not have a camera. I think that I do think that this is, and I'm sorry to bring it down, but I actually think there should be legislation about secret cameras in everyone's hands. Like I think that there is a hot take, MJ. a radical MJ over here. In the way that we can talk about how like social media companies have preyed on children and teenagers in a way that everyone has talked about for years.

Like it's just inevitable. Like, oh, technology. And actually, we are learning now. This is actually very dangerous. And we can control it to some extent with like if we put any limits at all on these companies because it is a health risk for children and teens. similarly secret cameras are we had we people have been talking about pretending to care about human trafficking for the last 20 years and now they're like put a secret camera on it make it so that you can videotape children without anyone knowing like what the fuck knowing you don't even have to hold up your phone i'm not even paranoid at all if anything i have gideon really gets frustrated by my profound lack of such situational awareness i have deep trust in everyone around me at all times no you're

Your pro-noia is what it is, MJ. Remember, it's pro-noia that means that the universe is out for good. And we should all be a little bit more pro-noia, okay, so that we don't be paranoid. It's not that everybody's out against us. No, everybody's out there for us instead. It's true. Yes, I do have pro-noia. My relentless desire to believe that most people are good sometimes leaves me not paying attention to the situational threats.

me, but even I have heard real life examples of people being like, I have seen men taking creep shots of my kids. Like, and then there is not much you can do about it. You go up to them and you say, did you just take a picture of my kid? And like, show me your phone. And, you know, it's like, you're not even, I don't even think you can, right? Because it's personal property. Like, I don't know.

For someone to show what they, like, if they, if you think, like, I don't, I don't know. It's a horrible situation. And thank God, that. Because I know what I would do. If I saw someone do that, I would take the phone and I'd throw it into the fucking street so it would get hit by a car. But then who's going to get sued? Me.

And I've never had that particularly threatening situation, but I have had people on the street just be like, oh, your kids are cute and then take a picture without asking. And I'm like, no, no. Like, even if we're at a protest where. I couldn't even imagine in my wildest dreams. Like, I mean, like, I've taken pictures with my friend's kids. before. Yeah.

But also, I would never post that. I know. A stranger's child? It's crazy. Why would you? That's so weird. It's so weird. And so again, I'm not even trying to be paranoid, but yeah, it's just, it goes without

saying why people being able to have secret, covert, camera and video camera is a menace to society. You should take a picture of that kid. That's a kid. That's a kid. You can take a picture. a bit of that kid. You're a pedophile and that's a kid.

Alert. You might like this kid. I'm shook. Whoa. You've got good taste in kids. It's just like, Kylie, I'm glad you're growing with the person, but maybe you should think about this. Also, other women.

Also, you know, I remember that in the mid-90s, the 2020 expose about people putting big camcorders in their purses and then go in and getting upskirt shots of women. And it was a whole scandal. And now we're just like, well, what if you could just get upskirt shots at all times? And no one will know. All times. Yeah, but then you've got to get your head all the way under their end. Just to be fair.

With ease you are then looking up someone's skirt. You know? Because I remember when someone took an upskirt of me with their flip phone in like on a train. And I just remember because someone saw him. doing it and I because it was as I was standing and holding a pole and he was behind me and some dude saw him doing it picked him up and like at the next like it threw him up against the wall and he was and I got scared because I didn't know what was happening and he was like this motherfucker was taking a picture of you and then he at the next stop threw him all like literally held him up against the door

and then when door was open he threw him on the floor and also but then I was the entire because it happened all very fast but then afterwards as the guy and I was like oh my god thank you so much And then I stopped and I was like, it's funny because my thighs touched. So I don't know what he was taking a picture of. And I, you said? I was like, yeah, because it was the first thing I thought of. I was like, no one's ever even tried to take an upskirt of me. Like, what are they even taking a picture?

Like, you can't even see my bannies. I've got big thighs. Like, you can't see anything. And so maybe that's what they're going for. But I was just like, bitch, I'm a person in a plus size body. I don't know what they think. Like, there's no gap here. I don't know what you think you're going to see.

I love the idea of the man, like, chivalrous man coming and saving you. And then you're like, can't see my pussy anyway. He's like, oh, see my pussy. Okay. But I appreciated it. Like, I definitely, like, I thanked him very much. I was like, thank you for being a good person.

I appreciate it. That's not to sound like Kylie Jenner, but that's hot. That's hot. Oh, no, the guy, oh, oh, would that I coulda. I tell you fucking what. Oh, what than I coulda. But, no, I, um, stead was just very uncomfortable and then just got real awkward instead. But you know, I do appreciate... Started talking about your thighs. Started talking

about my thigh. And started making jokes and started like started like depre, like he's like talking poorly about myself. And it's like that's not what we needed to do. We didn't need to go down that road like to feel weirdly shameful because the guy didn't even get a good picture. That's not what we should be upset about in this situation. But I do love MJ that you pulled the quote about the Kylie voiced AI. Another rubbish product for creeps and gooners. And that's, That is correct. That was just a commenter, but I thought, oh, wow, was this written by Holden? Holden, was that Holden?

No, are you kidding me? Oh, Holden, the eye, it lingers McNeely. Oh, no. He's going to go, oh, yeah. And he's like, yeah, Holden, you should do it again. And he's just like, I should. I like, I like, I like, I like, what's that? I don't know.

I don't know what that is. You should get it drained. That's a cyst. The whole sack should be drained. Thank you guys so much for joining us on this week's episode of Second Alpings. I've had a blast.

I also, I do want to apologize. I'm sorry I came out, hot out the gate screaming about Love Island. I needed... Guys, I don't have anyone to talk to about this. And I have to bring it here. Natalie refuses to hear it on Romanticy.

Kara, at least Kara will listen on who's this. She'll listen. And I just want to say, MJ, I think you're the only one because you have been, you have a master's in being a guidance counselor that you're able to navigate my feelings about the villa. Yeah. And I appreciate you. You need someone to just actively listen, do some feeling reflections and some focusing about what's coming up for you. And I think that all makes sense. And, you know, listen, it is summer in the villa. And whilst I'm not in the villa, you and many of our listeners are. And so I think that people come to second helpings for the Love Island updates. Movie Night Part 2. Y'all, movie night part 2. I'm so excited. Come if you, I'm definitely watching it tonight. come hang out in Jackin,

Twitch.TV forward slash Holdenaders Ho. Today, if you're listening to this today, the day it comes out, come hang out with us. We are doing, Holden and I are doing our own version of the 250th America's Freedom Anniversary. I don't know what that's going to mean yet,

but I think we're going to figure it out. But also come talk to me about movie night. Talk to me, please. I will talk. Like Holden also is forced to let us talk about it in chat because a lot of chat also watches Love Island. And I just want to say thank you so much for your support. Because this is like an experience.

I need validation through, MJ. All right? I can't do it by myself. It takes a village to get into the villa. Takes a village to survive. To get out of the villa. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, it does, baby.

And I just, God, I wish I could just scoop up all. It's just Melanie and Anaya and I want to take all of them and I just want to hug them like your word so much more. Yeah. But you know what? They're going to fucking show those boys that they're worth so much more. Melanie wasn't even crying at the end. She was just like, okay. Okay.

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