Page 7 - Second Helpings - I Live To Be Sad

Episode Date: July 25, 2026

This week on Second Helpings, the story of the week is Jackie's a NOLANATOR and Second Helpings is a KJ Apa centered podcast NOW because he's on a MEDIA BLITZ! Sadly but not sadly, it has nothing to do with Riverdale and eeeeeverything to do with MR. FANTASY!!! (but theyre toooootally different people, COME ON) Jennifer Garner has had 2 paparazzi assigned to her for the past 25 years and spoke about it on the "Shut Up Evan" podcast, because wtf. MJ started watching Nation's Dumbest, Jackie's BACK IN THE VILLA in the UK! To top off her NolanHole, Jackie went to see "The Odyssey"! The World Cup halftime show and the Avengers trailer have more in common than they should, and SO MUCH MOOOOOOOOOORE!!!! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to page seven second helpings. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. And I'm MJ. The story of the week is that Jackie's become a nolanator. And your second helping of the week is KJ. Appa's media blitz. Yes, this is a KJAPA focused podcast now. You're welcome. Specifically second helpings.

Yeah, we know we keep them to the side because we know not everybody wants to be talking about KJEPA as much as we want to talk about KJEPA because here's the crazy. part of our current reality. And that is that people don't think about Riverdale enough. I think that if everything that's been going on, you know, put on Riverdale. I straight up, I have a friend, maybe this is TMI, I have a friend that's going through a very difficult situation right now. And I straight up was like, bro, let me just let you know.

I was like, I'm going to throw it out there. Riverdale or Real Housewives of New York started from the beginning. I was like, you need a show that can encapsulate. It was like you need something that's on in the background. You need something that is not connected to anything that is currently going on. And you need something that you can leave behind. You know what I mean? And I feel like Riverdale is one of those shows that you could just be looking up.

I mean like, wait, what? How many years did they time jump? You know, like, why do they have superpowers now? You know, there's, I think that there's so much. that disregulates you just by watching the show, that it really helps you deal with a current really difficult situation. I mean, I truly struggle with how to situate Riverdale in the pop culture landscape. Because when we started talking about it, back when we were still doing the show with Marcus as our third host,

and we started talking about it because season was so good. I'm going to kiss them all. And at that time, I had other people in my life coming up to me and being like, have you watch this show Riverdale. My dad was watching Riverdale. My civil rights lawyer friend was watching Riverdale. Everyone was watching Riverdale. And I was like, let's talk about it. And that's why I think it made sense for us to talk about it so much on page seven that it then became its own show. But then seven years go by, you know, and by the end, we're being interviewed, you know, by, I think it was Vox, like, what's it like to be the only two people left watching Riverdale?

And so now, it felt good. It felt really good. Honestly, we saw it to the very end. where they, you know, spoiler, where they all eventually end up together. And isn't that what we were waiting for for seven seasons? Shout out to me and Jackie, who are probably the only two people on Earth who have Riverdale tattoos. And shout out to my eight-year-old who noticed when I showed the kids us on YouTube said, hey, Jackie has the same tattoo as you. And I said, yeah, we got them together. I love that you taught them about matching tattoos because of our matching Riverdale tattoos.

And I know that now it's not the time. You don't explain it to an eight-year-old that like really you don't get a, you know, forget it, Jughead. It's Riverdale tattoo. Like, you really, you don't. But if you have a hit show like we did talking about Riverdale, you're going to. Yeah, you know, it's hard to explain to kids that like some things aren't mistakes, but you wouldn't do them again, you know. Or you would do them again, but they are mistakes. You know, it's, it's, it's, I don't know whether I would recommend doing this or not to my children.

But, but yeah, so here now seeing this KJ. Epa, and I know it's probably not as viral as it seems on my algorithm, because everybody is sending it to me, KJ Epa's interview with Dylan Spouse. And I'm wondering, wow, people care about KJEPA. I truly thought that nobody cared about Riverdale. And here we are. It took me embarrassingly long, I will say, to realize that this podcast interview is, with Dylan. And not Cole. I thought that

I thought that Cole kept referring to himself in the third person. Which would have made sense for Cole Spouse. That's the thing. I'm like, that's totally something an actor would do. When Cole walks in the room, things are going to change. And I was like, wow, Cole Spouse refers to himself in the third person.

Then I was like, oh, it's his identical twin. Identical twin, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the one. Because I also would throw it out there. Cole Sprauss, I don't take him as a podcaster. I think that right out the gate, you know that Colespros doesn't want to be talking to anybody. And it really was delightful to see KJEPA.

Now, unfortunately, MJ, I think people continue to not care about Riverdale. I think that the people care about Mr. Fantasy. And I think that hate to break it to you. I think it might be the Mr. Fantasy of it all of why he's going on the tour right now. And not because there's just a rehashing of people. about Riverdale. You know what? That makes more sense to me.

To me, he's on tour right now, MJ. I think that's what's going on. I know, but as I struggled through last week, I can't figure out who cares about Mr. Fantasy and why.

I'm so surprised for him as young people. How, hello, I'm a human being, MJ. Treat me as such. I care greatly. I looked up tickets. I'm going to do it again while we're on the air because somebody messaged me. Bobina messaged me.

It was like, have you gotten tickets? Hi, Bean. Have you gotten tickets to Mr. Fantasy? And I said, no, when I looked last week, they were like $150. Who likes KJ. Appa and Mr. Fantasy enough to spend $150. Adam, I don't want to ask. I don't want to ask Adam. But then Bobina said when she was looking, they were much cheaper. They were like 60, 70 bucks. So this might be the New York City bump up or I don't know. I don't know how to explain it. But I'm just, I'm baffled. This is a news cycle. I'm going to call it a news. cycle and it's baffling me. But I did love the conversation. I mean, I didn't love the conversation, but fascinating conversation that these men were having on the podcast. You know, I don't usually say that about, you know, and especially looking at Dylan

Spouse talking to KJ. Appa. Although I really feel very differently about Dylan Spouse than I do about Cole Spouse. That's the thing. It seems like he's a wife guy. I think that he, you know, he makes. his own beer as if he is 20 years older than he actually is. Like I thought it was like, that's what you did 20 years ago when you lived in Greenpoint. I didn't even know people still made their own beer.

Yeah. And this is the podcast, by the way, if people have not been, if you don't have the same algorithm as me. It is Wild Men, which Dylan Spouse hosts with Brendan Columbus. And it is a conversation, which again, I thought for the whole week was Cole Spouse, with KJ. Appa, which would make sense, but it's the brother. But it's them talking about KJ. Appa's time on Riverdale. And what a hard time he was having. And it's not that I'm, yeah, it's not that I'm like happy to hear this per se.

But because Riverdale. It was a good honest conversation though. Absolutely. And because it exists in this weird realm where it's like, people are like, oh yeah, remember that fever dream. And because like none of them have really become like stars amongst other actors. I really feel like Gabby Mendez thought Masters of the Universe was like going to skyrocket her, but I don't think it did, babe. I'm sorry.

And poor Lily Reinhart. Lily Reinhart is such a great actress. And I know that she's done some work and stuff. But I have not seen speaking of forbidden fruits, which apparently is awesome. I have heard it is like a more contemporary version of the craft. And it is sexy lady witches. And that's all I know. And that Lily Reinhardt is in it.

And I have been tingling to watch it. And I've been told that it's a lot of fun. That's great. I love this. And so I'm, I, to hear KJ. Yappa process his time during Riverdale. And also crucially, Riverdale went, you know, through the pandemic. It started in like 2017.

And then it ended in like 2020. 22 maybe, 2022, 22, 2020. So who could know how many years it was because there was a time jump, you guys. So time operates differently. There was a seven-year run. Then there was one back. And then there was like the meteor. And then there was a seven-year time jump.

And so every time I want to say it ran for seven years, I'm like, or am I just thinking of the number of years of the time? No, it is seven years of time jump, seven years of seasons. It is the same. Lucky number seven. Yes. Okay. That's fine.

But so KJ Epa is in conversation with Dylan Spouse and the other co-host. And they are talking about what a like what a really hard time KJ was having on the, yes, we're on a first name basis now. KJ was having on set. And they were all, they were in Vancouver. They were like hold up, you know, because of the pandemic. And apparently he was struggling a lot with like body image stuff, disorder leading and also a lot of drugs. Yes.

And he's been sober now for a year and a half. and he said, anything that makes me feel good, I will abuse. It's something that I've learned about myself, even eating. My relationship with eating, especially on that show, was bad. And he goes on to detail. And honestly, the kind of conversation I feel we don't always see specifically between men talking on a show of him opening up about his disordered eating and what, and you, you know, of course, we know, of course, we know it's. 26, we all have body image issues. I know that we all understand this is not a gendered idea, but the idea of talking about it and sharing these low moments for him, I thought was really

beautiful. And he was trying to explain that, like, you know, I had the eight pack abs, but he was so obsessive about it. And you look at Mr. Fantasy. And I mean, I'm not above it. I was the one I want to say thank you so much to someone that hit me up on Instagram that was like I was at the Nashville show. I have a surprise for you because I had just read the headline that he performed most of the Nashville show in just his underpants. And so and I want to thank you so much for sending me the video of him taking it off his pants. But then all I could think about was this conversation. of how hard he is, and like I was making so many jokes last week of him to just be in like, my abs. But also, he works very hard for that body. And so you're right, show it off, babe. But then I just kept thinking about how he really feels and how he has struggled for so long about his body as well. Totally.

I totally agree that this is like such a refreshing thing to see. Like at this point in our culture, anytime two men are talking to each other and it's nice, I'm like standing ovation, good job, yes, yes, yay. Like, save with the Pete Davidson and John Cena conversation. I was like, look at these men sharing their feelings with each other. They can do it, even though we know that they can. We all have, we all have men in our lives that are good at emotionally communicating. Oh, of course, this is not an indictment of men.

It's an indictment of the media landscape that elevates certain types of men. Totally. No, men, you're great. Okay, you're doing great. And you need more support. And I love this, that we're opening. up and talking about it. Just don't go down that path. You know, go down the Dylan's, listen to Dylan Sparrow's podcast, I guess. And yeah, I also was, him talk about the eating disorder stuff,

because you're right. It's not something we hear from men a lot, especially like big muslin men. And it is interesting to think that he's still there is out there on stage, kind of the main punchline of his act being, this is my body. How hot I am. And like that, I, I, I, I, I know. it seems at least hopefully the way in which he's talking. I'm hoping he's in therapy of some sort of like think about that, to talk about that, but also makes more sense of his alter ego and like separating himself a little bit more from who he is. Like all of it makes more sense.

Embodying a character. Yes. If you are very much struggling with yourself and who you are, does make so much sense. And what he was talking about, and I know, you know, we have. you know, mid to lower than mid feelings about Cole Sprues here at page seven because of the things we've heard about how he treated Lily Reinhart, how he acted when he was at Illinois New. in this house. We'll die for Lily Reinhardt. And, you know, just a lot of kind of bad rumors about Cole Spouse.

But in the conversation with Dylan, KJ says, you know, your brother punched me once. And it was because I was like way out of control. We were at a strip club in Vancouver. And I was like way out of control. I think he said with drugs. I don't know if it was alcohol and drugs or just, but he was like I was just using substances in a way that was really unhealthy and unsafe and Cole wanted me to stop and he punched me. And I was like, are we, are we going to say thank you, Colosbrose? Is that what we would call

a loving affectionate masculinity? I don't know. You know, you wish that there was a way in which you could talk to him in a different, but I guess, you know, if you're losing your your shit and you're at a strip club and you need it to stop, not that we support that here, but I mean, sometimes you needed to And man, that is a real quick wake-up call of, this has to stop. Yeah. I think we've all been in a situation where we want to, like, grab a friend by the shoulders and be like, you can't keep doing this. You cannot. But I also, you know, I find it fascinating too.

I don't want to trigger anyone. I don't want to get too far into what he was sharing about his disordered eating. But I do. I just remember specifically this Lindsay Lowen. hand fact from like us that like we used to make jokes about many years ago that she used to pour water all over her food or salt all over her food so that she wouldn't eat it so that she like that was part of her disorder eating and part of it was that at one point he would piss all over the food so that he wouldn't eat it and like ordered a bunch of food and then

pissed on a bunch of it so that he wouldn't eat it and then like was talking about, like, to that level of like sharing this and then talking about how later on he thought and went back to like pick around it. And like, and Lindsay Lohan was so made fun of for her talking about her at the time, disordered eating, but we weren't looking at it as such. And because that was many, many years ago. Much less compassionate. She had a much less compassionate. experience about everything that she went through. That I am at least kind of, now, I'm not proud of the people on the internet,

because I'm sure everybody's got something to say. But like that for the most part, the headlines are like, thank you KJ. Appa for talking about this rather than being like, hey, pissed on it and ate the piss. You know, like I feel like that. 15 years ago, all the headlines would have been he pissed on it and then he ate the piss. You know what I mean?

Like I think, and I'm glad that it's not that. Like the way that Perez Hilton would talk about Brittany, you know, and would talk like that era, the 2010 era of just like, look at this fucking drunk idiot with an eating disorder. And I think that, yeah, she, poor Lindsay, I think now we've come around to talk, like we talk a lot on this show about Brittany and how Britney was treated. And I think that Lindsay is totally a casualty of that era too, where we were just like pointing and laughing at somebody, a young person who was like obviously struggling. And. So yeah, I mean, I do think it's really, really great that KJ Appa is talking about this, right, from the point of view of him being a man, from the point of view of him being a celebrity. And also, I don't know if this, I'm thinking of like what was in my mind a kind of cultural turning point for talking about disordered eating and eating disorder stuff. I really feel like Jeanette McCurdy's, I'm glad my mom died, was a huge, huge moment in like mass discourse for like how. we talked about disordered eating because it was so, it was such a devastating and very personal account of it that I feel like it changed how we talk about child stars and it also, I think, helped add a little bit more compassion and like about how we talk about disordered eating as a whole. I might be wrong. Yeah.

I hope it did, you know, it does for people like us and I think for a lot of people that listen out there. And I do think that there, of course, there's going to be horrible. trolls that live under bridges that are always clickety, claggity, clickety, clackety, and they're always going to exist. But guys, you know, we are all getting better, okay? We're growing and we're learning, okay? Real quick, before we move on from the topic of Riverdale, which we could do for the whole

hour, I know. Oh, you want to keep talking about Riverdale? I'll get talking about Riverdale. I want to just shout out a comment on the Instagram post featuring this conversation between KJ. Appa and Dylan Spouse and the other guy. because there was this Don't know, don't care. Don't look like the other one.

Don't care. Brendan Columbus. We love you, Brendan. But the comment is, Cole lived right beside me for two years in Vancouver. We shared a wire fence on the deck, which he called through every time he saw me.

Good morning, which startled me every time. Chaddest friendliest neighbor I've ever had. Sure do miss him. Wow. No, that does not exonerate. him from being a dirty dog to Lily Reinhart. But I did. Having a little comment in the wild,

he would be like, great, great guy, nice guy. That's good. I think that is good. I think it's also like, it's the kind of thing where he would like light up a cigarette during an interview where you're like, okay. Okay, I don't think that he's, okay. I think that's where it still lives within me of that like,

where he's like, I'm anti-establishment. It's like, okay, well, you're on the CW. I, there's only so much you can, you know. As far as I know on the scale of badman, I think he is at the, the level of dirty doggy more than the level of gaseous. I don't know if we got gaitians. No, there's, there's none. It's more just, he's just a dirty doggy. Dirty doggy.

I think he's just not, I think he's just a young man. He's been famous since he was a child and that's got to mess with you. Yeah. You know, I think that he's just probably screwed up. And I guess we'll give them the benefit of the doubt. But do we give the benefit of the doubt to the two paparazzi? I have to bring up the story. I randomly saw it that Jennifer Garner was talking about that.

And this really does open up the discourse, like the paparazzi discourse, because Jennifer Garner said that there has been two paparazzo paparazzi that have been following her for 25 years. years. The same two, the same two assigned to her. Like the Jennifer Garner beat. And she's essentially saying that's a lot of celebrities, most celebrities, like every single day have people following them. But could you imagine where it's like, you think Jennifer Garner?

That's the thing. I'm like, no shade to Jennifer Garner. Are we buying pictures of Jennifer Garner for $50,000 or whatever? But if you think about it, but it has to do with the memeability of Ben Affleck. She is inextricably linked with Ben Affleck who does give us donkeys memes. And they interact enough because they co-parent and because they're also, it just seems, friends as well. And so I think that they follow her to make sure that if anything happens, it has gotten.

But they, like, this is also part of this current PR story of her talking about a time when Jennifer Garner went to bat for her children because these paparazzi had like pushed her out of the way to get pictures of her children when she was trying to shield her children. And then she and Hallie Berry worked to enact these laws that help protect children from paparazzi. And so this is Jennifer Garner was talking about the interesting relationship she has with these two people because they're assigned to her. She sees them every single day. They follow her every day. For 25 years.

So she's like, yeah, I kind of, I kind of like them sometimes. And sometimes I've even been in a different dangerous situation where I go to them for help. I go to them for help because they're always there. But yeah, this is also on a podcast, the Shut Up Evan podcast. And yeah, this was so fascinating because she's talking about like, and you're right. It's not only it's that Jennifer Garner, yes, we all love alias, but it's not, she says that the particular like obsession with her was also because she was with the kids. She said they weren't following Ben as much sometimes as they were following her because pictures of kids, celebrity kids for so long,

especially her kids are all like teenagers now. So remember, again, go back to Perez Hilton time 10 years ago. It was bad, bad, bad, right? And we're evaluating whether or not celebrity kids are ugly, you know. And so she said that they were following. Bring it back. Actually, you know what I think. I, I, I, I wouldn't mind calling the kids ugly. I'd be fine. You know, some of them got to be taken out at the knees right up top. They got to let, no, you are an ugly baby, okay? When two beautiful people have a baby,

you want to talk about whether the baby is ugly or not. Man, have you ever had a friend two people, and then you see the baby, you're just like, but you have to be like, wow. I love that it's changing colors. Wow, it doesn't look like a lizard. That's a human baby right there. I've never seen an ugly baby in my life, Jackie.

I don't know what you're talking about. Oh, I have. I've seen a couple of my day. But you keep your mouth shut, okay, right? Us child free, we keep our mouth shut. You don't go to the Papps and give a picture of an ugly baby. But so she said that they would, I mean, we're not surprised by this. We read Britney's memoir and what happened with her and her boys.

but like she's talking about she her kids can't play soccer because the 20 cars are in the parking lot. She can't go through a yellow light because it could cause a pile up because the cars following her are going to go through the red then. Like there are 15 cars outside her child's school at dismissal. Like a level of disruption that, you know, it does make me think of Hilaria Baldwin's claim that she takes pictures of her kids so that the Papps. Exactly. I don't think that's it. I don't buy that because you are now still putting images of your children all over the internet for other people to exploit them. So I don't buy it.

But it is shocking. And putting out the names of their schools and stuff like that. Yeah. With their camp shirts with the camp locations on them. Speaking of Hilaria, by the way, when we talk TV later, I need to talk about nations. Dumbest. Have you started watching it? Have you started watching it?

Dude. I did. I did start. How dumb is she? How dumb is she? She is dumb and it's really, she is sad. It's sad. She is dumb.

This show is going to cause ego death for so many. And, Andrew Yang is having like a mental health crisis on the first episode because he's like, I'm smart. I'm smart. And he fails the first challenge. Is it like an art and smarter than a fifth grader? Is it like seven times five? Like, is it one of those?

It's like, what if we took Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grater and then added like that, remember that show where you have to like make your body the same shape as the whole? Otherwise you get knocked into a pit of slime. I have a great show, by the way. But it's like, it's like, are you smart? He's like, you got to be dumb and you got to be ready to get hurt in some stupid challenges because you own and dumb. Yeah, like one of the challenges was they had like a big, board, like on the floor, like a large room-sized board of different pictures of animals.

Okay. And the challenge was like, we're going to like find an animal that lays eggs. And then they would have to run and fight each other to get to an animal that laid eggs. Like combat juggling? Like what kind of fighting are they doing? Oh, they like push and shoving. Yeah, they just push it and shove it. And, you know, and then there were, and then they would have. I don't know, put him in a pit, make them fight. I don't know, throw a couple dogs in here. Most of the celebrities did know what animals laid eggs. Many of them were far too proud of themselves for knowing. This one influencer guy has to look up his name. I know a bird lays out. Exactly. He's like, I'm going to go to chicken because I know for sure that they

lay eggs. And it's like, oh, sweetie. And then one of them was name an animal that's a carnivore. And one of the celebrities went to a gorilla and was like, I've just seen so many pictures of gorillas ripping animals apart. I think they eat tigers and they don't. No, they don't eat tigers. No. They don't eat tigers. The first chief challenge was this thing where there was like. Don't you think we would be talking about it? If the gorillas were out there ripping tigers

that we would be discussed. I think we'd know that information if they were just ripping them limb from limb. There was a question. Darwin, Charles Darwin is responsible for the theory of what and like they didn't know. Several of them did not know. And then the first challenge, the one that really killed Andrew Yang's ego and I look forward to him spiraling out of control further is there was like two like pieces of rope that you could not reach both. And then there was like a pile of items in the middle.

And it was like make it so that you can reach figure out a way to solve this logic problem so you can reach both pieces of rope. And the secret was that you have to tie something heavy to one rope, swing it, and then that way you can hold it and then you reach the other one. And Hilaria did not get it. Andrew Yang did not get it. I think Ice-T got it. I think Jojo Siwa got it.

It's fun, you guys. You haven't even said the name Jojo Siwa yet. Like how are we, like how is she doing? You know, she took her father. She pretended to be this version of her. It's tough for her because she did not go to school. Which is not her fault. It's not her fault.

They were like, oh, Jojo is homeschooled. They made a joke like Jojo's homeschooled. So the set is like a classroom. So they're like, this might be new to you. A classroom. And everyone laughs, which was a pretty good joke. But she, I think, got a question, right? Carmen Electra is there.

She's the one who thought Gorillas Eat Tigers. Oh. Yeah, we've got Drew. Minsky. Whoa, you have Napoleon Dynamites on the show. The funniest moment of the show is that Napoleon Dynamite walks in and says hi and he just looks like some guy. Some guy. He said like, hey, how's everybody doing? And Ice tea immediately goes, that's Napoleon Dynamite.

That's the only thing he knows on the show. He knows that that's Napoleon Dynamite. He knows his fellow cast members. Yeah. Yes. Steveo is there. Yes. El King is there.

Melt for a Steve. Yes. Yes, El King, Rob Schneider's daughter who drunkenly messed up the performance for Dali Parton, which she does bring up, she brought it up and she said she regrets it. So this is her comeback tour. This is it. It's nation's dumbest. Yeah, Dr. Drew is there.

Fuck him. Anthony Michael Hall. Yay. Hilaria. Are they all competing to get it right? Or are they competing to be dumber? Like, do you get kicked off because you're smart or do you get kicked off because you're dumb? It's the first one.

think. I think the idea is that you don't want to win. I think if you win, you're dumb. But I don't know what the prize is. It's just a dunce hat. It's just, well, I guess now you get to forever, just let your tongue hang out of your mouth. And Jojo's like, ah, there already there, you know. This dunce hat has $75,000 in it. If you eat the whole dunce hat, yes, it is made out of plastic.

And they're just like them like, I'll do anything more. The microplastics are already in there. And Hilaria. Anthony Michael Hall? Yeah. Yeah, he's, you know, we love him. I think. I don't know if he became weird.

But I certainly love young Anthony Michael Hall. But Hilaria introduced herself as I became famous because I forgot the word cucumber. And girl, that is not why you became famous. Her level of denial is admirable. Like she has just rewritten the story. She's like, it's not because I fake being Spanish. It's because I have ADHD and I forgot the word cucumber. And she just keeps talking.

Yeah, bitch. Keep listening to that song. All right. It is. No, it's written out there, girl. And we know the truth. We hear, but here's a thing, MJ. A lot of people don't care about a laria.

The way that we seem to be hung up on her. But that's where I think that we have to be to remind everybody that listens that that an evil exists out there. Like I feel like this is the kind where, you know, you hear about the first on Buffy. I feel like this is part of this kind of like hell mouth existence that we have right now. And maybe I have been referring to my butthole as a hellmouth ever since the Pua site happened. But I, I'm worried that it may have opened up another hellmouse. And I think that that's what pooh-poo fruits and pooh-poo vegetables are coming from is really a hell-mouth. And if we can blame the hell-mouth, we can close it.

There's no question. We can close it. If it's a hellmouth, we can close it. So someone could close it. And so Hilaria just came out of it and she's just a demon. I mean, watching this show, yes, I did have laughs. And also, you could literally write this premise of a show into a dystopian novel to signify like a falling empire. You know, you're like, just get a bunch of C-List celebrities and humiliate them publicly to show them that they don't know anything.

And that's the show. And that is the show. You are saying this to a woman that currently has another tab open with just Love Island, UK, that has just been playing. Poor Adam, our producer. Like, I just have it on in the background at all times. You try to give them extra views? Why are you leaving it on? Because, oh, because I'm trying.

I'm not leaving it on right now. I mean, like, in the background, because it's the idiot aquarium, and I'm being chicky, and sometimes I'm mugged off. MJ, sometimes I feel mugged off. And I've got to watch Love Island, UK, MJ. And then poor Adam just hears that. He just hears that as he walks down the hallway into the room. And that's how he knows I'm here in the morning. is you hear the lelting voices of accents further away in the studio somewhere.

Yeah, I maintain that it's more fun to watch British people be dumb and slutty. You're right. Everybody was right. I love Love Island, UK. I knew that I was going to love it. I'm obsessed with Robin. And I think that she's perfect, even though she just keeps giving kisses. But she wants to hook up with the boy that she wants to choose.

But other women keep choosing him. and she wants to choose George. She wants to be with George. So she keeps trying to be cheeky. She keeps trying to give him kisses outside of challenges. Do they have the same, do they have movie night and karaoke night and all these same events? Is it like, is it like we're talking about? I'm new, bro.

I don't know. I don't know if it's the same. I'm learning and I'm growing and I want everyone to hit me up with their own love. Because Love Island UK is still going, MJ. Is it, does it capture the, the nations, our nations, you know, heart as much as Love Island U.S. did. Are people obsessing about it the way that every headline? I know that every headline technically is about Summerhouse and I know that that ship has sailed and I know that we should have watched it and I know I did it and I'm sorry. But every headline previously this summer was about

Love Island U.S. So Love Island U.K. has filled that vacuum. It fills it. It really fills it right up. And it's just, having it on in the bat and I was like I'm just going to absorb all of this and I will report back MJ because the thing is that they're just the diehards of both and there are the diehards that are just like US will never be UK and there's a lot of that feeling way more than there is the feeling the opposite direction but it is really fascinating though immediately seeing the difference of how red-pilled the men are from the Love Island U.S. versus the dirty dogs of Love Island, UK. And I...

Really? The U.K. men are less, like, less explicitly misogynist? Yes. And also, I feel like there's so much more, there's not as much shaming about exploring and about kisses and about... But also, for the Love Island U.S., the first challenge, I was telling you guys about, like, with the doors, and then they're like, ugh, blah, wow, they're, like, swallowing each other's faces before they even know each other's names.

But it's just not, like, they're not, it's not performative making out in the same way. Like, like, watching the U.S., watching them specifically make out, I just was like, who is telling you guys to do that? Like, I have jokingly tried to do it with my husband, and I'm trying to, like, put my mouth on as much of his face as possible. And, like, I'm trying to do what they do. And I'm like, that can't be fun.

And how can you kiss someone like that and be like, he's a good cusser? Is he? Like, is that? Like, I just, I, maybe, and I, you guys know I'm not a prude. So watching Love Island, UK, it really is, it's not as like forced sexual and also not as shameful. Like I feel like in the U.S., they forced the sexuality as well as shame it. And that is such a paradox. You know what I mean?

Like that's so, that's like what are you talking about? But in the UK, it's just not quite that way. I was going to say maybe they don't know how to kiss because this is the generation that missed prom and graduation. They're high school. Yeah, it is possible. But no one taught them how to kiss. Get those hands out, y'all. Because I can fit my whole fist in my mouth.

Does that mean I'm a good kisser? Like, should I put that on a nap? But that wouldn't explain why in the UK they are less bad at it. Yeah, that is curious. British listeners, please sound off. Do you have an explanation for why Love Island UK slightly less gross regarding sexual and shame than U.S. That's actually a very, very compelling question.

It really is. But I also, and I was saying this at Adam earlier, though, but across both of them, what you do see and what you love to see is that the women are not cat scratching at each other. It is all like, I understand that you had to kiss him outside the challenge, and I understand we all explore it. And like, but like they all pick each other and they go for chatting and it's like, oh, let's talk about it. And then they talk it out. And I love, you know, you love to see, bitches up on the bedch as. Like, we love that. We love it.

We love it. We love it. Huge. This has been such a huge shift in reality TV where it used to be women against each other. And somewhere along the line, the lady's got the memo that it's the, the enemy is man. Dirty dogs. Dirty dogs. So much to the extent that even when you have like a very clear villain, like some, like Francesca from the Netflix, from perfect match and stuff, who's trying to be a villain.

and the other women will be like, I think it's the men, you know, like they do not want to throw women under the fuss. And I love that. I think let's unite against the men, fellas. It's just like Francesca is like scheming to destroy their lives. But yes, I'm happy that you're that you found another villa, even if it is a transcontinental villa. And I think, Jackie, that while we're talking TV, you have to tell me about. No, Linda has arrived. Excuse me.

Get to the chopper. The Nolonator is here. Everyone's talking about the Odyssey. Everyone's saying, oh, I wish I had been a classics major, so I understood the Odyssey. Oh, wow. Tell me you saw it. Can we just say, if you don't know about the Odyssey at this point, where you been? You know what I mean?

I feel like we know overall, you know. I know the gist. Yeah. Daddy's coming home. And it's been a long time since Daddy's been home. And there are so many conversations. Jackie is an English as a, like, a classics professor. Yeah, I know.

Oh, yeah, it took him a long time, but Daddy, he's coming home, right? I just keep asking. They're like, you have to finish the book, Jackie. You'll find out if you finish. I did keep making those. I kept going, when is he going to say, do? Because it's written by Homer. I, Jeff loved that joke

and I kept leaning over going, no! But he couldn't hear me saying, no, because it was so loud. So don't worry, you can make any homer joke you want while watching The Odyssey, no one will hear you scream. It's so loud. It's just so loud.

But MJ, of course, I get wrapped up. Now, I'm talking about being a Nolnetta because I was talking about Zendaya, being in love with Interstellar. I realized I'd never seen Interstellar. And then the more Adam and I talked, I realized I'm like, I think I've only seen Memento and the Prestige.

And I was like, I guess. I'm also a Memento, primarily a Memento Nolinator. Yes. And I also love the prestige. So I was like, you know what? I've been hearing so much about this guy. I should probably check out a couple of these other things. Because we started watching.

Dark night. I've seen Dark Night for sure. Yes, Dark Night. There's the Butman's, you know, He's got many different kinds of movies. Yeah, he does. And we had the opportunity over this last week. So we saw The Odyssey.

I really genuinely liked it a lot. It is really crazy that the more Nolenaenae movies that I watch, he doesn't know what to do with a woman on screen. Oh, wow. He really is like to have Charlize their own as Glypso, who's supposed to be like a, like a sex goddess on a beach. and every bit like every moment of her

is just her like stare and she has more clothes on than I've ever seen her have on it's like you're supposed to be a sex goddess that has kept him on this beach for like years under this like lotus drug and you both have so many clothes on it's just make it sexy at least

and you know Anne Hathaway she was killing it and she did like she does great with it but I kept making, like we were making jokes. And then I also saw that like even Robert Pattinson and Ann Hathaway were making jokes because she's supposed to be like looming this loom time for forever being like, and whence thou is finished, I will choose a new husband.

But it's been 20 years, bitch. And you really haven't gotten a lot done on that loom. And I just feel like there's like that conversation of like, what does she do with the loom? Nobody's asked her about she hasn't finished the fucking loom in fucking 20 years. But I, but she was killing it. And the more I hear about it is. crazy. MJ, it's crazy what Christopher Nolan can get away with, what they give him so much money to do. And everything you hear, like, I will say, go for him, because he's being given the money to do it.

But to hear about, like, that you are helicoptering in these huge IMAX cameras to only shoot three minutes at a time. And then you have to restart. That's, and it's such a huge. huge movie, that that has got to be so annoying. But then you hear about like scenes where there's like, for example, and every scene is like this, you find out all this information. For example, there's a scene where all of these soldiers come out of this like black sand and they're ripping through the black sand because they were all like buried underneath the sand. And in the scene that Christopher Nolan shot, he took all the stunt performers.

this is not CGI. He buried all of them in wet sand with a snorkel coming up so they could breathe and then right before they did the shot they run through. They rip out the snorkels,

rip out the snorcas, rip out the snorcas, they start a timer to make sure that the salt people don't die underneath the wet sand so that they can pull themselves out so that like, so this is the level of what Christopher Nolan is doing.

And to make a movie this, So that's just an example of what he put into this ridiculously huge movie that he made. Man, the two wolves inside me are like anything that is practical and not CGI is good and don't do something that could kill actors. Like hard to reconcile those two wolves, you know. But it is also so funny because watching these interviews with Tom Holland, who was shooting Spider-Man as he was. also shooting the Odyssey and he was going back and forth and apparently it like broke his brain because Christopher Nolan does everything so practically and everything is thought out and then Tom Holland would show up on the Spider-Man and everything's CGI and nothing's real and they're not and they're not

in any spaces and he's like people show up on set and then they decide how it's going to go on set Christopher Nolan has been planning every second of every day for years to do this. And so he's bringing this like viewpoint of like back to Spider-Man just being like some of this has to be practical. We've got to make some of this practical. What are you talking about? Wow. And so like we've been simultaneously, which has been fascinating.

So this week we watched Interstellar and we watched Inception and we saw The Odyssey. But then we also watched Spider-Man Homecoming and Spider-Man Farming. from home and watch both of those because we're getting ready for the next Spider-Man that's coming out. Which are both, I mean, I'm married to somebody who will, like, who enjoys all three Spider-Man's, loves them all, absolutely adores. But we both loved all the Tom Holland Spider-Man movies so far. Love them. And I hadn't really, I thought I had seen them. I mean, I haven't really watched them. I guess, yeah, I did see this. I don't remember any of it. but I am really enjoying Tom Holland

and he's such a little juvie and I just, even in the first one I was just like, you're supposed to be with Zendaya! You don't love this other bitch? Brighan Zendaya! But I screened my way through it, but it is fascinating to watch. Like, we, Jeff and I have been getting lost

in like a worm time of watching, I forget the name of the channel, these VFX guys watching CGI through, like they've been, this is a huge YouTube channel that I should know the name. of these people, but I, that they go through other like, CGI movies and break it down and like show like what's good CGI and what's bad CGI.

And I've been start like starting to really look for things like that to see how things affect other. And it's so the Spider-Man movies are so good. So it's like if you watch that level of CGI, it's so cool. But then to back-to-back watch like, I never, have you seen Interstellar or Inception? I'm like looking at his list to be like, what have I seen? I have not seen Inception. I feel like I've seen Interstellar, but it's one of those where I'm like, maybe I took two tallboy cans into a theater and saw Interstellar with some friends, you know, and I don't,

I do not remember. It's possible. It is very possible. It's definitely those kind of movies that I had said to Adam and say I'm watching it, that I was like, if I had seen this movie when I was 15, like, I get why Zendaya's like, these movies, because and I really appreciated the conversation because Adam is, you know, a director and knows so much. And like I love having these talks with him about this stuff that's like, these are mass appeal like mind bendas. You know, it's like it is made for the masses.

But it's cool to give people that don't usually watch movies where you go, aha, at the end, you know, that I was like, I get it. where it's like, ah, there's just enough faux science here where I understand what's going on. Aha, deeper into the dreams are we going, you know? And by the end, when I saw Memento in college, I was like, fuck yeah. So you're right. You watch Insection. Okay. I recognize, though, I was like, why wasn't I getting obsessed with these movies?

And it's because of the annoying men in our 20s that were Nolan 8. And all of it's all coming back, it's all coming. Just going on these like, okay cupid dates where they're just like, I don't know if you understood when he spins the thing and he's in dream. And sometimes when he spins the thing. And it's like, yeah, I, I, so all of these movies have been ruined for me and have been explained to me by men that I didn't want to watch them. Yeah, Memento definitely goes into that category, too, where it's like, I love that movie. And if you like it, you're suss.

If you're a man, you know, it's like. And I think if you're a Nolidata, you also are, and I feel bad. I'm sorry, this is, I guess, my genderist episode today that I feel that I was like, if it were women that were screaming about the, like, if you, like, they were Nolenaating at me, why do you think Zendaya is the one that got me to watch this, like, in Nolenaer movies? You know, sometimes you need to have the message. Sometimes it's just based on the messenger.

And it's true that sometimes a good piece of art will be appreciated by people who you want to have nothing to do with. And that will impact your relationship with the art. And then when a beautiful, amazing, intelligent person tells you about the same thing, you might be more open to it. I think that that's a real phenomenon. You are right. And especially, God, I'm not going to name drop the person. But it was the person that, like, ever was like, you always ruined. Every, I think about how many movies this dude ruined for me.

I'm just like, God, you just, every time you loved something, you made me hate it. And I'm not even talking about my ex. I'm talking about just a friend of mine that's no longer a friend. It is just, I understand. And also, with interstellar, I see, I'm not going to make the jokes that I was making about something that goes on in the movie because it's, they're not perfect. movies. I was making jokes about Interstellar. I was definitely making some jokes by the end. And I've got a phrase that I'm not going to say because it would ruin the movie for you.

And I'm not going to be the person that ruins the Nolinator movies for you guys. Did you like Oppenheimer? No. I thought Oppenheimer, see, this is the thing. I thought it was just really loud and fast talking men, fast talking men, talk about the bomb, fast talking men. And I just thought it was just that. And I, and I, and I, and I, and I, I love Killian Murphy. Like, I mean, I... But that was part... I mean, Inception, bro.

You gotta watch Inception, bro. Yeah, I do have to watch Inception. It has several men that I want to kiss. Yeah. Between three and four. Five, even. Not my cocaine. But, yeah, no, I should...

I should watch... I just, yeah, I have no interest in becoming a Nolinator, but I'm not anti. I'm not anti. And I like having at least some literacy to be able to talk about the movies that everybody is talking about, which is why I do want to see interstellar

and Inception. And Inception. Because we're in a Nolan Renaissance right now. Because I will throw it out there. At least I've heard. And I am saying this as a person that hasn't seen it. I'm not going to watch Tenet.

I've heard everything about Dennett. I have no desire to watch Tenet. I've already seen Oppenheimer. I don't really care. Didn't like Tenet. And lots of people had a lot to say about Tenet and how much they didn't like it. And I'm just like, you know what?

if it's too that because they're all two plus hours long tell me it's a good one and guys interstellar inception odyssey those are good ones all right prestige memento those are good ones yeah not that way i'm not saying opinheimer's a bad way it's just i wasn't that into it like i also not your type of it wasn't my type of fast talking bomb men yeah yeah that makes sense um well i mean i i'm glad that you had fun were there other movies that you saw this week or was it mostly where you both mostly down the Nolan train? We were really Nolan ate and pretty hard. We have been and you know what?

I haven't even brought it up in the weeks. We have been watching the final season of the bear. And that's, and we're watching it. Is that, is that all we have to say? I think that we're watching it. I think that we are watching it.

I heard that people liked it. I'm watching it. And it is, I'm not. not watching it, but I also have nothing to say about it. And that's all I have to say. Yeah, I just like, I feel like it is existing. It is not as good as it used to be, and that's okay. They're still doing a great job.

It's just not what it was, and that's okay. Yeah, yeah. I fell off in season three and I told you now I'm in a bear hole where to, in order to get to season four, I would have to finish. Suffer the bear. You got to get through the bear and have the bear. Yeah. And it's not even that I don't want to watch it.

It's just that, you know, my time is limited. But I'm happy for them. But, yeah, Bear seems like one of those things that if it had stopped after season two, people would talk about it just like a flawless television series, like a perfect. Yes. Like a fleaback, you know what I mean? Like it's like, it's why I just throw on flea back randomly and I'll just slurp up both of the seasons just at any point.

You know why? I live to be sad. Oh, I love to be upset and I love to think about getting a guinea pig. And so those two things you put them together, you watch Fleabag. But MJ, those two things you put them together, you watch something you're going to freaking love Tom Holland preparing to be Fred Astaire and a biopic. MJ, MJ, the emotional roller coaster I had upon reading this article because my initial reaction was yes, yes, yes. And then I had a small thought that when he said he wants to learn to do all the tap dancing, I did have a thought that we have talked about. at length on page seven.

Are you worried about a Bing Bong? Are you worried about a Bing Bong situation? It's more just that like, we talked about this a lot. I think when La La Land came out where it's like, nice to do a musical with two very famous stars who then had to learn to dance. But what if we did a musical that featured people who have spent their life learning to dance? I think that I love Tom Holland, love Fred Astaire, love the idea of the biopic, bring Fred Astaire to today's youth.

I love this. But when he's like, I'm going to learn all the dances. Yeah, because he's not using. a double. He does not want to use a double. He's like, I'm doing all of the tapping myself. He does not want to use a double. And I love that for him. However, there is just a part of me, and you know I'm not a hater because you don't all do anything for that man. But I was just like, you think that you can just learn to dance like Fred Astaire? Like, what? Like, it's not like losing 30 pounds for a movie or like learning to play ping pong for a movie. Like, Fred Astaire's a

once in a lifetime talent. I mean, to be fair, his ping pong had to be like the best ping that could pong. So, I mean, it is, you know. And he did ping and he did pong. And I still stand by the fact that I think that movie sucked. But I love this for Tom Holland. I kept laughing about our joke from the live show where Gene Kelly begged his wife not to let anyone do a biopic of him.

And so we don't know how Fred Astaire would have felt. But I think that actually the casting is great. I think Tom Holland has that like delightful little dandy, you know, joyful vibe that I think he would, I think he will be great. I just think it's very funny to think that you can learn to tab dance like Fred Astaire the way that actors pride themselves on learning, you know, to speak a couple of sentences of Spanish or whatever that they do for movies, you know? Yeah, it is. But he's starting now. and what we do know is that he said he's not putting out a movie for a couple of years. So I feel like this is maybe is the beginning of a beautiful tap relationship for him.

Like maybe this is him getting really into tap. Like think about him during Umbrella, MJ. I remember his dancing. You know what you're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. You're right.

And I think it's not like he's coming from nothing and no background. And like if you think it's like the fluidity of being a spider man, you know what I mean? Like you have to flip and... And also I live on earth and I understand that if you just cast... You live on earth, MJ, thank you for reminding yourself. I know it's naive of me to be like cast a Broadway actor who nobody knows who is a very talented tap dancer because that's not what movies are and that's fine. And that's not what La La Land was and that's fine. And so I think that if we're going to do this, we should do it with Tom Holland.

It is a yeah from me, Doug. It's just that I did go on a room of... Doug. It's a yeah, from me, Doug. It is. Oh, wait. I forgot. Tom Holland was in Billy Elliott the musical.

Was he? I thought they were talking about the other guy that the, the, because they made, there's another Fred Astaire movie. This is Holland began his career starring in the title role of Billy Elliott the musical. Following a brief run as the protagonist's best friend, Michael Caffrey. He's been dancing. You're right.

MJ he's been dancing. You're right, because the other guy who played Fred Astaire in that other movie was also in Billy Elliot. So this is just a Billy Elliott to Fred Astaire pipeline. But okay, all right, I take it back. I take it back. He's a good dancer. Wow. And now we're excited.

Look at this full circle moment that we've just had. Tom Holland will be as good at tap dancing as Fred Astaire. You've heard it here first, folks. You can put that on our Tombstone Pizza. It is stellar casting. I cannot think of anybody else who I would be as thrilled to be him as Tom Holland. He is a pint-sized joy. What a wonderful, what a wonderful boy he is.

I know that I shouldn't liken him to champ the dog, but I feel the same way about Tom Holland as I do about champ the dog. And yes, I'm talking about Rob, producer of last podcast on the left's dog. and I love both of them in the same capacity. Yeah, he's a short king. He is, he's just a cutie-p-tooty. Yeah, I get it. The fact that, like, for me, because you know MJ,

even though we shouldn't have, we both loved Toby McGuire as Spider-Man. And the fact that I can love Tom Holland as much as Spider-Man means a lot. It does mean a lot. It does mean a lot. For those of us who were in high school when the Sam Ramey Spider-Men's came out, it's hard to top Toby McGuire, Spider-Man. Because he boss, you're now.

Even though he is now a disturbing 50-year-old, I still love that version of Toby McGuire. Now, I cannot let this show run out, Jackie, but without talking about the World Cup halftime show. And I'm assuming that you did not watch it. No, but I've seen some clips from the World Cup halftime because you were continuing on with your balls, right? you were having a ball time?

I didn't watch as much World Cup as I wished I had. But there was, I live above a store and the store was projecting it on a bed sheet for weeks. And so I would often go downstairs and watch it with the other people on the street watching it. And so I watched some World Cup. I wasn't super invested, but I love the World Cup. You know, I love a collective experience. But yes, for the final, my whole family. Love a collective experience.

Imagine everyone just around a big trough. MJ loves this. We're doing it together. If we're doing it together, it's meaningful. But my whole family was watching the final. And we were all surprised that there even was a halftime show because there wasn't usually halftime shows during the other games. And a lot of people, including my European friends,

describing it as a European's idea of what an American halftime show should be. It was a real hodgepodge. Justin Bieber is there doing kind of a bit. Kermit and Piggy are there for absolutely inexplicable reasons. Almost reminiscent of the Creed halftime show. And maybe this is pretty, like for some, like on Jackin every Friday, I think that we might watch the Creed halftime show

probably once every six weeks, I want to say. And it is really firmly in my mind of talk about a hodgepodge of, man, they just were like, I don't know, bring some arrogance in here, I don't know, bring another margin man in here, I don't know. But this was with huge names.

So this is like, you know, this is Madonna, this is BTS, this is Bieber. I missed, Madonna was so quick, Blinkin, you'll miss her. And then, yeah, BTS is there. And of course, Shakira. And Shakira also just had a huge concert at Atlantic Barclays, which, like, took over. There's like a bunch of very cute videos of everyone on the Q-Train singing Waka-Waka and stuff. Like everybody, everybody came out for Shakira. Shakira dance with these wonderful dancers called the ghetto kids

and also the PS22 chorus was there which is a public school choir from Staten Island who, you know, I know, you don't like children singing. Okay, this is it for you. This is for the listeners. You guys have probably seen their YouTube videos. They've been very, it was like a, the teacher there started like 20 years ago and there was no arts program and he like built up this like, very vibrant.

It's inspirational. I'll have the kids sing on it. Vibrant choir. of New York City public school kids. So that I liked, you know I love Shakira, but it was just a surprise. Everybody who appeared on camera was a surprise. It was...

The fact that it went from Madonna into transitioning into a... Of animal playing the drums from Muppets to playing it for Seven Nation Army, for the White Stripe Seven Nation Army. So it was like that was the transition. Jason Sadecas was there, pretending to be Ted Lassow.

just because they're like soccer Yeah Yeah That show's not on anymore Um Yeah Bring the Muppets

Yeah It's just And also this apparently Was like I love that this article Made sure that everyone knew that it was curated The whole halftime show

was curated By Coldplay frontman Chris Martin So this is also This is Chris Martin's vision For a half-time Time show, by the way.

That's the most alarming part about it. When I'm, like, reading about the halftime show and everyone's like, Coldplay is halftime show. And I'm like, what were you talking about? I know there were a lot of people there, but I didn't see Coldplay there. Are there people having affairs? It's like, all I can think, it's like, now Coldplay is synonymous with affairs. So, like, is this them trying to break that stigma?

I really feel like in the way that, like, if you watch, like, a cooking challenge show and they're like, you have to, like, spin a wheel and whatever four ingredients. you get, you have to like make something out of it. This really felt like just spin a wheel and and get five celebrities. Doesn't matter if they're puppets and just bring them in. They didn't really utilize the Muppets to their

potential. And especially because Coldplay then finishes out the set. So you curated this. So this was like to you, your perfect like pre-show to bring you up to perform. So Madonna

and the White Stripes and the Muppets and BTS and they're just like, we're really trying to hit, oh, yeah, that's what it is. Oh, we're trying to hit the spectrum of America. Is that what they were trying to do? I guess, yeah, for a global game whose whole idea is this is about, you know, the whole world. That America is not a part of at that mode, right? It's like they were already kicked out. Not one of the teams.

Yeah, not one of the teams, but I guess because it was taking place in America, we're just going to choose six random pop stars out of a hat. That goes to show. I did not even notice Coldplay was there because I was too busy reeling from all the surprises of the various people there. And I did. I was really excited about the PS22 chorus. But yeah, just wanted to shout out the World Cup halftime show. You know that Shakira can save any show she's a part of.

And you know that I like seeing Justin Bieber perform. But it was a head scratcher. It was a head scratcher for sure. I just, there's, it's also weird that apparently they announced the halftime performance in May with a video of Elmo and Cookie Monster and Kermit and Miss Piggy and Animal. So it's just like, they don't even exist in the same. What are you talking about? I know that Sesame Street Muppets do interact with regular Muppets. We see it in the Muppet movie.

Sure. But that seems, again, like a hodgepodge. You don't, they don't hang out together. Sorry, just real quick. You want to talk hodgepodge? You know I don't give an H, but that Avengers, the newest trailer. I don't know if Gideon made you watch it. Not yet.

Yikes. In a good way? No. They literally like, find anything, any media, anything that has ever fought another thing before. And we're putting them all in it. They're like the X men are there. Like, I'm surprised Elmo's not there. Like, I feel like, like, I wouldn't be surprised if out the blip fucking Big Bird

comes back in and he's just like, now I'll send you to outer space. And he's like, I imagine we're going to get to that point because it looks like the, and I usually, you know, I've even said this. Like, I usually can't know if one of them is going to be good or if they're not going to be good. I have no idea if they're good.

If you watch this trailer, even you would be like, I don't think that looks good. Really? It's, yikes. It really is. They're just like, what if we get every person that's ever made a dollar? And they're putting all their money into that. I got to.

You have to watch it now. You have to watch it with Gideon just at least here because Gideon's probably still going to, you know, we're still going to, we're all still going to see it. That's the thing. He watches anything. He's just, when it comes to superhero movies, Gideon's just thrilled to be invited. You know, he just really, like, Holden has all these, like, very analytical takes on each superhero movie. And that's his type of nerd. And Gideon's type of nerd is just, like, I watched it and I was doing 10 other things at the same time, and it was fun.

Unless it's like a Spider-Man movie. We're sitting down and we're watching. Watching. Oh, we got to get those Spider-Man's in us because, I mean, I hear, then I start hearing the, like, you know what the Spider-Man's actually, like much stronger than like a lot of the other. And I'm just like, oh, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. Wow. I'm happy. I'm happy for their happiness is, M-J.

and I'm happy for our happinesses. And where do our happinesses lie? Kijiehapa. And I want to say thank you Kijiepa for teaching us all today a little bit about communication and being able to open up, even when you're just hanging with your boys. Now I will throw it out there because we didn't bring it up earlier that KJAPA, I think he turned to religion as part of this,

which we're, you know, I do think that that. But he doesn't, he's not shoving it down our throats. And right now all he's doing is making, he's just making Jimmy Stewart biopics for some reason with their religious companies. So, you know, but we're not going to think about that. We're just going to, we're going to support you, Mr. Fantasy. We are here for you, and we're proud of you, and you're doing a great job. Yes, go KJ. Appa. And go Dylan Sproes.

Good Dylan Spruce. Nice guy. And that other guy. Whatever the fuck your name is, couldn't give a fuck about you. Nice guy though, nice guy. Wish you the best, though. And you know what, MJ, I wish you the best. And I wish everyone out there listening to us the best right back in your mouths.

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love this shirt. So, that's a really, really, really good shirt. Thank you. I'm Master of the Muppets, y'all. And MJ, thank you so much. I know that we can find you at MJ KL Kat. We know this. But is there anything else you want to, you need to push anything today? No, man, you can email us, page 7podcast at e-mail.com. We love hearing from you guys. Thank you all for sticking with us and joining us over at the YouTube. I know many of you guys listen while driving and you can't watch YouTube, but you know, those of you. Going over subscribing and it's great to hear from you.

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