Page 7 - Second Helpings - It's Giving Birthday?

Episode Date: February 20, 2026

MJ and Jackie are back with another servin' of Second Helpings, MJ's freshly Chicago'd and it was STANKY, and they're gonna speak THEIR PEACE!! Plus they've got news on how Whitney did and they THINK THEY MIGHT LIIIIKE ITTT~ Jackie went to a bbno$ concert and was swarmed by the YOUNG, Brooklyn Beckham's 14 year old little sister sent him a happy valentines message and all he did was post a selfie with his new wife, and even tho no one asked, Gordon Ramsay has some WORDS for him. Shia LaBeouf is an absolute terror and trying to shirtlessly enter churches for Ash Wednesday but NO ONE WANTS HIM. Jackie started the HBO show "Neighbors", and then we got "THE TRAITORS" TALK with spoilers A PLENTY! Netflix is dropping "Reality Check: Inside America’s Next Top Model" and it's going to make Tyra look BAAAAAAD, so check back in next week! and ending on none upsetting news, no phones on the set of "The Pitt", so Noah Wyle made a lil video about how there's a library on set for people if they get bored during filming since they can't have their phones, Jackie watched "Predator: Badlands" and it was sick as heeellll, plus even more pop culture goss'! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Put some stank on it, Jackie. Yeah, put them in a good town. That's how I put stank on it. What is it? There's no trumpets. The musical? Is this all that jazz? You wish.

So much stank on the songs in Chicago the musical, you know. And all that jazz. Yes. How was Mr. Cellophane? Yeah, I'm asking about Mr. Celophane. I'm not even asking about Whitney out the gate. I'm asking about Mr. Celophane.

because we know that it's not John C. Riley, but were you thinking about John C. Riley as you watch the person perform? The guy who did, who is the husband who sang Mr. Celfane was actually one of my favorite parts of the whole show. He did great. Hell yeah. Velma was amazing. The whole thing was amazing. And I actually do, I want to just speak a moment on my negative words about Chicago on yesterday's show.

Speak your piece. Well, I do think that it's fair to be annoyed. by some things about Chicago, and especially if you're a theater kid and you're going to theater contests all the time and you're just, you know, I think I was more, I think that what would be more fair

for me to say is that I was maybe just being a hater at the time. I think Chicago, I understand why I didn't love it. And I do stand- Why didn't you love it though? Like, what was it about it? That it just wasn't your bag? I, it's interesting, right?

Because I like jazz. I was a trumpet player in high school and everything, But, like, I don't, like, Gideon loved it, loved it, loved it. We don't, he's not a huge musical guy, but he was like, it's just so, like, jazz handsy and like, you know, it's just, it's very, like, it's just so. That's razzle-dazzle, oh, yeah. And I think that I, I think that the. When you're good to mama, mama's good to you. I did that for districts.

Wow, that was really, that was really good. See, and I think that I was maybe. just a little too over saturated in Chicago as a young theater kid, but I do want to come and say that I think I was, I think I was the one who was wrong. This is like when Liz Lemon has a memory of herself as a young person and realizes that she wasn't being bullied, she was the bully. I have these memories frequently. And I'm like, oh, so this is a big, this is a big moment for you, MJ. Yeah, I'm like, I think I was the asshole about Chicago. I think Chicago is good. That's, I think that I don't want to like listen to the soundtrack of Chicago in the same way that I

want to listen to the soundtrack of like a West Side Story. I think Fossy is not my man as much as Rogers and Hammerstein are, you know. Okay. But also, to be fair, Fossy and all that has so much, like, the dance aspect of it, maybe that is why you don't necessarily like to listen to the music as much because the dance is such a huge, not that I'm saying that the dancing is not a huge aspect of every musical, but there are more than others, and that is Fossi. you know. Totally. And that's, I, I will, I will, I will just say, like, watching Chicago, I was like, this is a great musical. And I, I, what, like, I understand why it's not in my, I was also, like, trying to list my top five, which I don't need to get into. But I was like, I think I understand what I like. I like Sondheim. I like Rodgers and Hammerstein. And, you know, Le Maiz is just its own kind of, it's in its own world. But I was like, this is so fun. It is such a great show to see live, which is why you're immersed at it all the time.

if you're a theater kid because it is it is just a complete showcase of triple threats and also every song is famous and I totally didn't appreciate the criminal justice aspect of it like turning a trial into a show and I didn't even think about that seeing it with Gidea and I was like oh yeah it's all about criminal defense like that's fun and that was lost on me as a high schooler you know yes someone brought up in the comments which thank you so much talking about like the the casting of Roxy as other, because she's supposed to be infamous. That's why they do the stunt casting of because it is the idea of having infamy in different ways. I want to be famous.

That was such a good point, the patron who mentioned that. That it is like the reason, there's a reason that Chicago producers have, for years now, for decades, chosen Roxy to be like the stunt cast, like the iconic stunt casting role because it is about like a nobody who wants to be a star, not a nobody, but like somebody who's infamous for bad reasons, who then wants to use that infamy to become a star. So of course it's the perfect role for Whitney Levitt from Secret Lives and Mormon Wives. Really is. And yeah, I mean, the music is great. It's so much fun. The dancing is great. The staging was great. The pit is on, the way they did it was the pit is like on stage. I don't, I haven't seen enough full professional productions of Chicago to remember

how they usually stage it, but all the like the kind of chorus was like also kind of on stage, like in the wings, but visible and kind of just coming on and off all the time. But the pit was there the whole time. And yeah, I'm like, every song is good. And it just, you know, I think what was so fun about seeing Whitney Leavitt in it specifically is like, we all know she's a great dancer. And Chicago, as you said, Roxy Hart, nowhere to hide. You have to be not only a great dancer, but you also have to be a good singer. Yes. And you have to be a good actor.

It really is like, this is a Broadway, like, a staple for a reason. Like, it's just a very solid show, but it is, there's a lot of skill needed to execute this show well. And for her next to Velma, who was, like, very clearly a professional Broadway actor. Yes. And I had a lot of fun watching both of them. I thought that Whitney did fantastic for someone who's not a Broadway star. You can, to me, and Gideon didn't notice it as much, but to me, you can totally hear, especially with her singing. The singing.

She sang in key. Okay. She was beltlet out. Like, but, you know, you hear a Broadway star sing and you're just like, oh, you know, it's like, it's like. It's a different training. It's just completely different training. A hundred percent. And I love that shit.

Also think about of being trained how to, because like she was crash course trained how to sing while dancing. But that's a whole other, I mean, there are so many, like as someone that went to college with a huge musical theater specific department, that there are many classes in which to learn how to sing while doing other things that Whitney just doesn't have. Totally. You're singing into, you're singing into a big theater. you're singing while you're dancing. You're also acting while you're singing. Like, yeah, there's all sorts of skills that you are trying to master. And I was going into it being like, she's going to be a great dancer.

But to act on a huge stage and sing on a huge stage are two completely different skills. But she did great. And, like, yes, you can tell looking at the actor who played Velma that, like, there is just, you can, you know, it's like, any time you see a mask. master, it's just so fun to see someone who's a master of their craft, you know, whether it's a chef, if you're in a fancy restaurant or whatever. And looking at her, I was just like, man, how, what a blessing to be in the same room as people who know how to be Broadway, Broadway actors. It's so cool. And so Whitney is. But also, that's supposed to be Velma's character, too.

There's also that dynamic of it that she is supposed to have more of the gravitas, more confidence. I mean, more, you know, it's totally. But also, real quick, which I know that this. might be a silly question to some, but did you realize, did you know that we both reach for the gun is a whole ventriloquist scene? That we both reach for the gun, we both make fun. I think that I, do they do it that way in the movie? I don't really remember the movie that well.

I think they do do it because that's how the song is usually. So that's like, you know, of course, you know, of the idea of the puppetry of a courtroom. Yes. But that's why I specifically always thought that it was like, oh, MJ must have. I love Chicago because of we both reach for the gun. Because we both reach for the gun. And I also should have loved it because it is, again, all about criminal defense. And so, yeah, it was, Gideon had so much fun.

I had so much fun. And I will say, I think that when you. It is in the movie, yes. I'm looking at the, I'm watching the little clip of, yes. Yeah. Yeah, I think I want to, I think I kind of want to rewatch the movie now. The casting. Rewatch the movie.

Yeah. Rewatch it. I think I'll enjoy it. Again, I think that I had a bit of a chip on my shoulder about Chicago. for reasons that have to do with me being bitchy instead of legit reasons. And I just, I'm like shocked by how well Whitney did. Like, again, not a professional Broadway performer, but she sang well. She acted well.

And the, you know, at the end, there's these two fantastic dance, like extended dance numbers with Velma Anoroxi. And that was so much fun. They did great. And I'm just like, I'm happy for her, you know? like, like, Hilaria went on

Dancing with the Stars and then got quote unquote bullied off and then has subsequently had no relationship with Dancing with the Stars, no career opportunities came from it,

nothing came from it because she's just like such a deeply toxic person. And then, you know, you look at the other people who did Dancing with the Stars and it's like,

yeah, Alex Earl is doing the live tour, Daniel Fissel's doing the live, Andy Richter, and then And then Whitney gets this and like, yes, it's stunt casting. But like, I kind of agree with Holden.

Like, stunt casting is part of Broadway. And it's, it certainly had asses and seats when she came out on stage. Everybody was excited, you know. And so I think it's kind of fun. I think I might like it for Whitney. Yeah, I think I, and also I think she might like that she just got literally, I believe yesterday, they just extended her run. It was only supposed to go to the second week of March.

and now it has been extended into April. So that's how well she's doing. Wow. I mean, well enough to extend the run. Wow. Good for her. Good for her. And also. We're throwing a good for her out there. Yeah, good for her. And what an intense job.

And also, she just had her baby like last year. And I think that was like her third baby. I'm like, it's wild to, I have a close friend who is a Broadway actor for years and years and years. And it's a hard life. And it's probably not that hard. Yeah. With the matinees and always, you're always, you're always, it's like, I feel like it's up there with like be, I mean, I'm not saying that this is the same.

I just meant of the, you don't think about how taxing every single day is because it's up there like a soap opera star. Totally. It's every day. It's like, I know they're dark maybe one day out of the week. But even then, it's like, then you've got to do everything on that day because there's even matinees on half the days. Totally.

And like maybe it's not as hard if you're like the stunt, if you're the fan. one being stunt cast and maybe you, you know, you are probably richer than most of the other actors and like your standard of living is probably better and whatever. But like, I mean, my friend who is a Broadway actor for years and years, like had been like was sometimes the main, you know, on the one on stage every night. And then also for a while was an understudy. But when you're the understudy, she was like, I had to be there for every show, every time, always ready to go on stage throughout the entire show at any moment, you know? So that's all. It's It's like such a, this whole universe, this whole iceberg of an industry that, you know, I never really think about of what it's like for these actors.

And yeah, you know, it's one of those things where I haven't seen a Broadway show. And the last one I saw was Les Mis in probably 2013 or 2014. And I was just in a room with all these talented performers. And I was like, man, I should do this all the time. It's like how I feel when I go to a concert. I'm like, that's so great to see talented people. make art. This is so joyful. I love this. Yes. Oh my God. And I did feel that way when I went to the Baby No Money concert last night. It is kind of the opposite of going to a Broadway show. Yes. But is it? Because we

still get to see, we get to see young people out there making fun shit. And while, and I do say young people because Jeff and I definitely were on the outskirts of being by far the oldest people in the audience, and I was fine with it. Yeah, man. Oh, my God. Real quick, last night in class, I'm, like, much older than most of my peers in grad school. And my professor who must have clocked that we're about the same age. And he started singing the theme song to the facts of life.

And nobody else knew what he was doing at him. And then he looks at me and goes, MJ. And I was like, I feel. Not even me. Not even me. But he was like so clearly like if there's anyone in this room who knows what I'm talking about, it's going to be you. Somebody else is old. You're the only other old in here.

Exactly. Fellow old. But yes, I can imagine how old you and Jeff felt at the baby no money concert. He's 30, but I'll. He's 30, yes. That's very young. But it is very young. And I will say that he performs often with young gravy.

So if you're familiar with young gravy and you like young gravy, you'd probably also really like Baby No Money, but it was awesome because Young Gravy, they went out, like their last tour, they were on tour together, but Young Gravy wasn't with him. And we're like, oh, you know, that's, I'm still totally down to see Baby No Money, but Young Gravy came out and they sang songs together.

And it was just, it looked like, but also, you know what it is, MJ? These Youngs, it was all so positive. And you know what? Really crazy. Not, I don't think I saw one person drinking alcohol. There was not. Any line at any of the bar. And this show was like packed.

Not a line anywhere at any of the bars. And I mean, obviously, they're all, we're all doing drugs. You know, we're all definitely doing drugs. But it's just crazy that there was no. And it was just like, and if people bummed it to you, it was like, oh, hey, sorry. Sorry for invalidate. Someone's sorry for invalidating your space to me. And I said, oh.

That sounds like a standard joke. I am not lying to you. I am not. And I went, it's all good, babe. And then I kept going. And I just was like, but, you know, I feel like some people would say that in a crowdwork way of being like, these dumb. And I was just like, thank you. Well, you're cute.

Totally. I actually feel, hearing you say this is solidifying, I think, how I feel about Gen Z, which is like, yes, they're kind of famous for being very sensitive. And, you know, very well. But that's the thing. Like, they're obviously that kind of sensitivity is, I think, coming from their, from like a heart being in the right place of like wanting to do right by others. And also I think Gen Z and we've heard from listeners about this are so interesting because they are kind of not the same.

I don't think they're terminally online in the same way that like the alphas are. Like I think a lot of Gen Z if you ask them about social media, they're like, it ruined my life as a young person. You know, like. Right. And so they have, I don't know. I feel like I really, there's so many things about Gen Z I think that are really beautiful and admirable. And they get a bad rap just like millennials got a bad rap when we were younger.

And, you know, they have their quirks or whatever. But I love the idea of a bunch of people who aren't drinking, apologize for taking up each other's face. But then also just having a really good time to some dance music. Having a great. And also all of the like, all the visuals. It was called the Internet Explorer tour and the stage he built into like the like the hill in the background of the windows desktop. Like it looked like an old Like it's just it was very And it was all of the imagery and everything

It made a while it didn't make me feel very old It did make me think Hell yeah They're still making weird shit out there Good good good and that's all I want I'm happy about it I just want to make sure that people are not That young people have not been so sucked into

The addiction that is phones and social media That they have stopped making art And so when I see young people making any kind of art And they are all very artistic and they also love, you know, social justice and stuff. So when I see them engaging with stuff like that, I'm like, hell yes, I don't have to understand all of your things about your young people culture because I'm not young anymore. But that's fine. You guys do you. And as long as you're making things and trying to make the world a better place, that's absolutely what young people are supposed to be doing.

Exactly. And sometimes you go to a baby no money concert and you realize I know like 90% of Baby No Money's music. and I didn't realize that I was listening to this much baby nobody in my life. But I think it's because it's just fun. Yeah. And but he also does dabble with the like mumble core where it's like, Edamame is one of my favorite of his songs. La La La is one of his biggest ones.

But then also he's dropping like kind of more mumblecore stuff. This latest one was diamonds are forever. And I really dig that like more like emo boy shit. Ooh, okay. I'm also really into. And like that's, like, that's. his newer stuff is getting, it's a lot of like, heartfelt stuff.

I just, I love him. I just love. And I, I did refer to him as the young man last night. And Jeff was like, you know, you're not that old. You need to call him the young man. He's six years younger than you are. You know, it's not. They were rocking to share.

This man is doing a great job. Oh, look at him up there with all of hysteria speakers. Is that what they still call them? I am not, I'm not, don't put me in the ground yet, MJ, all right? Yes, I don't. I shouldn't be having a crisis. It's your 40th birthday week. Put me in the ground.

I'm the one who is, I've, I'm, all week I've been thinking about, did I already talk about this? The decorations, when I, I remember seeing the 40th birthday decorations when I was a kid at the hallmark store and they were all gravestones. Over the hill. You're going to die. So that's my theme of my birthday party this year is, you know, gravestones. It's everything's going to.

be black, half dead. Oh, good. Good. Good, good, good, good, good. So you're going, so you're leaning in. I got to. I mean, I don't even know I haven't been to the Dubuque Mall in a while and I don't know if Hallmark card stores still exist. It seems to be more of a channel now than a store, but back in my day, it was a store and the back in my day, we walked to the mall. And the aisle that was all black was exclusively for 40th birthday decorations. So I think I am going to go to the dollar store and just get a bunch of black things for my party. I do love this.

I'm trying to, I put in positive 40th birthday decorations. I see things that just say, 40 is a vibe. Is that positive? One of them just says, it's giving birthday. Is that positive? It's all things that are you. It's giving birthday. Is that a positive?

40th sentiment, it's giving birthday? How about this one, MJ? More fun than two 20-year-olds. Untrue. Why is that a positive 40th birthday message? I mean, are you more fun than two-20-year-olds? I don't think so. Also, that sounds like really ominous.

Like, I don't know. It sounds inappropriate. I know why. What I think of is two 20-year-olds stitch together against their will. Like, that's what I see. And then being like, why did you do this to us, Jackie Mangala? And I'm like, I thought it was a grand experiment. Yeah, the two 20-year-olds, I just want to make sure they're okay before I decide if I'm more fun than that.

Before you decide, yeah, yeah, I don't want to know, are we talking about us at 20 or are you talking about other? Because some people, you know, have a house and kids at 20, you know, not us. Yeah, no, but I think it's giving birth. If I can get my hands on a decoration that says it's giving birthday. It's giving birthday. Before this Saturday, I will. Because that's fun. also just get, holy shit, you're 40.

I know there's that, does that make you feel good about yourself? I wish I had thought of this earlier. I should have ordered all of the cruelest. I'm so upset that I didn't do this for you. I'm so sad. I'm so sad that I didn't do this to you. Oh, man. I want to, because they've really just gone so far with the decorations.

What is the, I try to remember what Natalie put up at my bachelorette party that was just like like the last stick in the fucking mud hole. Like it was something like that. It was something like in that realm that I was just like, I mean, I guess it is the last stick in the mud hole. I guess you are right. Yeah. Like congratulations on being sold off before you die.

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess that's also sad just like rip to my 30s. Do you want to just get a bunch of rips? You want to put out a bunch of rips to your 30s up there? Yeah, you know, I guess I could, I've been thinking about should I do some sort of like intentions ceremony of like this was my third. But no, I'm not going to do that.

My 20s were for partying. My 30s were for having children. And that's it. I got no, I got no deeper reflection than that. This is great. When is your party, MJ? Saturday. I don't have much time.

How do I get these decorations? Well, I'm sending you a couple of things to at least. that will at least get there by tomorrow. Okay. Wow. Thank you. This is, this is great.

This is very welcome. This is going to be, this is what's going to change the party. And then you're going to have to take pictures of it. And you're going to have to, you're going to have to tag all of page seven family. Okay. All right.

We'll do. Thank you, MJ. Well, I'm glad that you're 40. I'm glad that you made. I'm glad that I went to your home and I dug up your grave so that I could get out your bones so that we could do this podcast. And I just,

honestly, I feel like are we about to get like taxed as podcasters like in a different way because like society is going to deem us too old to be doing podcasts? Well, you know, Amy Poehler's making it look like a real career now. That's Amy Poehle. I mean, we're not bringing in Carol Burnett over here. You know, like if we were getting Carol Burnett, I wouldn't be having this conversation with you. Yeah, yeah. She's doing, she's really, I think, digging us out of the whole,

us as podcasters, I mean, out of the hole that we've been in for basically the entirety. You and I talk all the time about when someone asks us what we do. We both break out into a cold sweat. We do anything we can to avoid saying podcaster. I never say the P word. I never say the P word. I'll say anything. I'll say anything else.

It is really, wow. It is really damning. And I don't know if it, I never felt this way when I was younger. And so I don't know if this is a part of, I guess this is growing up. In the same way that I'm just battling life as it crawls across my body. And I never thought that I was going to want to battle the life that's crawling across my body. But then you hit a place and you're just like, I am a shell. What have I become?

And it really just kind of, it's ebbs and flows. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to not have a big existential crisis about it. And as a result, I just haven't really engaged with it at all. Good. I haven't thought about it.

Good, good, good. Now I'm 40, not going to think about it. It's over. And now it's really over. Now we have closed that books from you. Good, good, good. I'm done. I'll talk about what I'll talk about what Brooklyn Beckham is doing to his poor siblings.

I'll talk about that Olympian who's reviewing the Caesar salads. You know, but I will not be engaging with getting older. Not anymore. Good. It's already done. So do you think you're going to start saying now forever, I'm 40? And that's it. Like, do not, are you going to be like a Mariah Carey where you stop having birthdays? Like, is this it? Well, I did. And again, I'm so much older than everyone I go to grad school with. And then yesterday, we were supposed to share something fun. So I wanted to talk about going to the Broadway show. And I was like, I had a milestone birthday. So I think I might just tell people that I've reached a milestone birthday. And then. and say nothing else. And have them choose, and have them choose which one. But then how are you going to feel with this trap? How are you going to feel when it backfires?

When they go, oh, 50? Like what if someone says, oh, 50 do you? Yeah, well, then I'll burst into tears, just like I burst into tears this morning when I got a ticket from a sanitation worker. And it wasn't about the ticket. It was about many other things that happened before I got the ticket. But I'll say this, when you're 40, you can still cry in public, especially in New York City.

It's a city where we love to cry in public. Thank God we're never going to age out of crying in public. Yeah, I can confirm 40-year-olds still cry in public over nothing. Thank God. Over it completely. It was a $25 ticket. And I didn't cry to the sanitation ticket officer who gave it to me, but I could have. But I did it.

And that's growth because 20-year-old MJ would have, would have weaponized. Oh, yeah. You would have hunted down. like crying at them. Yes. Please don't do this to us. Yes, I would have weaponized my white woman tears back then. And I did not weaponize my white non-binary tears this time.

I just said, sir, all of that trash isn't mine. People just keep throwing their trash in front of my house because everyone's anti-social. And he said, I know. That's not fair. I thought it was like a you had bat. You know, it's like when they give you the punishments because you put a plastic in the wrong thing. I thought it was one of those.

No, it's just the city is covered in. trash right now and I got the wrong end of the trash stick. And I wept and I wept and I wept. But I'm not weeping anymore. So again, hashtag growth. This is growth for you. And can we give a round of applause for us, all right? I think that it's, I'm proud of you for crying to yourself like an adult does. Not showing it to anyone, not asking for any validation. We don't need it here. Okay. Yeah, exactly. This is how. we know that we're getting older and more responsible. And that's how we know that, you know, Brooklyn Beckham isn't because he doesn't have the

stamina to like reach out to his siblings and be like, happy Valentine's Day to you too. Because his sweet little 14 year old sister said, happy Valentine's Day to my big brothers. And all he could do was post a picture of him kissing his big rich wife as Jackie Caldrey. Suck it on his wife, his big rich wife. And he's just like, look at me. Suck it on my wife. And I continue to not have a horse in this game. I don't think I'm team Brooklyn or team Beckham family.

But this, I think I might be team 14-year-old youngest Beckham because... I know. She's just a child. She's just a child. It's not her fault. It's not her fault. Yes, she's richer than all of us put together. But that's not her fault either, you know.

Yeah, and she's definitely evil, I'm sure, an other way. I'm sure she is definitely evil, right? Or, you know, maybe on a path towards evil. But again, that's not her fault. I, you know, kids are innocent. And so this poor kid is out here trying to, only person in the family, by the way, doing like an olive branch.

The Beckham, the adult Beckams haven't done like a public olive branch towards Brooklyn. Brooklyn hasn't done anything. And this 14-year-old is like, I love all my brothers. I love all my brothers. And all he can do is ignore her. What a dick?

Ignores her, but then not only did he ignore her, but apparently Brooklyn had had a tattoo tribute to his 14-year-old sister. Yes. More tattooed news. He got it covered up. Don't cover up the 14-year-old's tattoo tribute. Don't do that to her. Last week we're talking about how we got dad covered up. Dad and mom covered up. So can we, all right, also out the gate, you already got tribute tattoos for everyone. your family. And did you get them because you knew someday you were going to also like publicly on your body ice them out as if you're putting up a different like Facebook status? You know what mean? Like you're just changing the tattoos. What's beautiful about a tattoo is your commitment to it, you know. And and so getting a tattoo of your family generally should represent like a commitment

to your family. And the minute your mom has a sexy dance with you at your wedding that you really didn't want. Oh, the most beautiful girl in the room at not her wedding. Yeah. Then you go and erase all your family tattoos. Again, erasing mom and dad, I think arguably I can understand that. But erasing all the other siblings is, especially that little girl. That's so mean.

Also, you can. like hold off. Can you just like wait a second before you cover up all the tattoos? Yeah, this is a real like let's not talk while we're still mad situation. Like, Brooklyn, you need a few minutes to calm down before you erase any more tattoos, okay? I do feel like before, if I were a tattoo artist, I guess you can't really say that if it's Brooklyn Beckham, but I'd be like, you really want to erase the 14 year old? Okay, you want to, okay, okay, sure. So, yeah, ask you a couple times. So mean, but you know who doesn't like it? Gordon Ramsey. I love this story, Jackie. I'm so glad you found this story of Gordon Ramsey's scolding Brooklyn Beckham. Oh, man, Gordon Ramsey, nobody asked him. But if they did ask him, he's got some sense to be throwing at Brooklyn Beckham going with this family.

Because also, you know, for those that don't maybe follow Gordon Ramsey the way MJ and I follow Gordon Ramsey, Gordon Ramsey loves his wife and he loves his kids. Big family man, yeah. He's a big family guy. And also it does seem his kids also revere their parents. Like I've seen interviews and like I follow them. They're not kids anymore. They're all full grown adults.

But I've just been, because of the food network, I've just followed. We have followed Gordon Ramsey for so long. And so we do know that. We know that he really loves his family. Yeah. So I understand why he felt that he needed to come out. And he said, I want Brooklyn just to take a moment to yourself. And remember, you're half-mom, half-dad.

You're an amazing young man. But boy, they've done more for you than anyone will do in your entire life. Any father-in-law, let me tell you. This is interesting, though, because you mentioning his kids brought back a memory, and the memory is us on page seven talking about how Gordon Ramsey has four like adult children who were born in like the late 90s, early 2000s, and then recently had two more children with the same wife. Oh, yeah.

Talked about it. Like how just let's do it again. Let's start over 20 years later. So there's an 18 year gap between the oldest four and the youngest two. And he has one born in 2019, one born in 2023. and yeah, just fucking loves being a dad, but also Gordon Ramsey famous for trying to have like a hard anti-Nepo program. Like he has his whole thing about how he's going to give them like a 25% down payment for their first home. But he doesn't pay very, it's giving rumor Willis.

I don't get money from my parents, right? And so he's, he has like all these, like this, he's been very intentional about how he has raised his kids to be like independent and all this stuff, which is. I don't know. That's just giving different, like, it's interesting context of him coming in and being like, Brooklyn Beckham smarten up. Like, because I don't know what the arrangement is with, with the mom and dad, Beckham and the kids, but obviously Brooklyn seems to be a nepo on the other side of the spectrum where he's just like, I'll be a photographer, I'll be an actor. I'm clearly living off my parents. And I don't know. So it's kind of, I think Gordon, Ramsey might be one of those people who has really successful kids who then looks at another family whose kids are not doing as well and is like snap out of it, you know. And so I mean, I think he's right to be like, you're going to realize that your parents are really important to you. But also Gordon Ramsey is somebody who prides himself on being like, you got to raise your kids to appreciate what they have if you're a rich person. And I think the Beckham's. seem to have perhaps fumbled the ball on that one. They have definitely fumbled the ball because I was looking up, I was looking up if there was like a reason with the age gap. And Gordon Ramsey has been very open about the fact that his wife had multiple miscarriages

and they were having a lot of infertility struggles and that it was, they referred to their second, like they call them their bonus round babies. They were babies that they really never expected they were going to be able to have. Wow. And talking about the perspective and like he's openly discusses the perspective of being a parent when he was not established versus being a parent when he is established and talking about trying to like navigate those waters because in looking at the older kids like the four older

children one of them is trying to do like she went to culinary school she's been a judge on master chef junior and that kind of stuff but and one of them is doing like podcaster model stuff but then one joined the royal marines and the other one the one of his his oldest daughter works as a police officer. Wow. And so it's all all across the board, which does, I mean, at least show that they were given, like the kids are given opportunities, but also able to choose whatever life for themselves that they want. Yeah, yeah.

That's four jobs amongst four kids, as opposed to Rumor Willis's four non-jobs amongst one kid. Which, because again, she really hasn't come out to explain what the jobs are. You know, but I guess we'll be waiting for that for a while, you know. Yeah. And I do, you know, I do kind of feel, I do feel bad. I think rumor Willis had a rough, a rough time of it. I think, I think, rumor Willis isn't. And everything going on with Bruce Will.

It is like, it's rough. I'm not saying it's not rough. Yeah, yeah. No, but it's just, it is, I don't know. It's also, it's hard, I think, to see. I try, ever since becoming a parent, I try so hard to not judge anyone. I'm not judge anyone's parenting, not judge anyone else's kids. And so I think the fact that Gordon Ramsey has raised a bunch of successful kids probably makes him think he can speak on how to raise a bunch of successful kids.

And maybe he can. But also, every kid is different. And you can't guarantee a kid's success even if you do a good job or whatever. And but, but yeah, I wonder how effective his scolding of Brooklyn is going to be. Because obviously Brooklyn has decided that his family. Oh, hey, mom. I need it. I can hear him screaming it from here.

And I can also maybe hear Shia LeBuff screaming from here. Can I just throw it out there? Man, terrorizing the city. And a friend of mine saw Mia Gough in the wild in L.A. And I looked up because I was like, man, are they still together? Because I know they have a kid together. And I guess word on the street is they are not still together. Good.

And I hope that is the case for her and their child. and I hope that she's able to just separate herself from him as much as she can. Yeah, the post article says that it's there officially split. But the post article I'm looking at, the headline had me really dying today, which is the Thursday after Ash Wednesday. Shirtless Shailabuff goes for a run. Dines alone after being shut out of multiple churches on Ash Wednesday. So this guy was just like he was going around terrorizing New Orleans.

He's now going around trying to get into church. is to get his Ash Wednesday cross and churches are like, get out of here. I just like imagine. Oh my God. Like the old vaudeville thing where they like throw you out, you know, and you go fly in. Even the churches don't want them. Yeah. Pull them out with the hook of the cane.

Yeah, exactly. The hook like, get out of here, shy. Um, so he can't. It's like, they even took the hump back. What are you talking about? And they're not even going to take. All right. Their whole thing is that you're supposed to be able to get forgiven.

I thought it was asylum. Yeah. I thought that was not for the. this guy. He can't get forgiven for some sins, but not these ones. Yeah, so he is still terrorizing New Orleans, but just the churches now, which is kind of a fun development. Get out of New Orleans. You're a recovery. I guess he moved there. Yeah, he moved there, which is what I think the problem is. He has a home in Norlands, and I think that that is probably not a good place for him to be. I don't think that you should live in New Orleans if you have an ongoing struggle with substance use.

I'm not to gatekeep. But that is a city where you want to start drinking. First thing. First thing. Especially because you drink everywhere you walk. And I don't even really drink at all anymore. But even I would stop and get like a voodoo slushy just to have like a sip or two as I walked, you know? I mean, sound off New Orleans.

I'm sure there's a bunch of sober people in New Orleans. I know. I know. I'm sure. My guess is there's plenty of people who didn't used to be sober and who are now sober also in New Orleans. But I, just speaking for myself, I would find it to be very challenging if I was trying to be sober in New Orleans. And yeah, you know, I do, like, I get that Sharia LeBuff is a child actor and has had a rough go of it. But this guy has had way too many chances and has done way too many bad things to way too many women to still be in the public eye.

Get out of here, buddy. It's just get out of here. Like, go get the help you need. I hope that you do go get the help that you need. But I don't even want to. I usually, I mean, we don't really bring him up very often in here. Yeah. It's just the phrase terrorizing New Orleans that it's just Jesus Christ.

And shut out of multiple churches. That was really. That's a big thing about him that you should know. Yeah. Yeah. That was really what did it for me. Yeah. He is in the blinds a lot and I keep it moving because I'm like, I don't need to like revel in Shia LaBuff's sobriety struggles.

No. But I do need you to stop being a famous abuser. Like we are, we're on a track towards not platforming famous abusers anymore. And so you're going to get out of here, Shaya. But I do love a platform that shows off amazing abusers of neighborhood laws. Yeah. Yeah, it was roundabout. It was roundabout, but you went with me and we got there, guys.

And I'm talking about the show, neighbors, and I'm not talking about the Australian show. I'm talking about the show on HBO. That someone in the studio, Eric was the head of our streaming, sought me out in the studio because he heard my laugh. And he came up to me, and he's just like, he's a curmudge, cross punk, old dude, love him. You can tell him I said that. I'm not. Don't tell him I said that. But young man.

Very young man. Very, very virile. He's so strong. He's younger than baby no money. Don't tell him I said that either. It is a show that is produced by 824 on HBO and it is about fighting neighbors. And the first episode, it is a half an hour long. It follows two groups of people.

and the best part, because at first you're like, I don't want to just watch people that are arguing over like property lines and stuff like that, but it's much crazier than that. And really, you're not rooting for anybody, but I am immediately fascinated and I can't wait to watch the rest.

Only one episode has dropped so far, and there's only six episodes in this docu-series. It's a reality. It's a reality show. So the first, episode is about so this one guy is like a big TikTok guy

but he's out in the middle of fucking nowhere and he moved out in the middle of nowhere to have lots of land and to enjoy being in the middle of nowhere. The people that happen to be anywhere close to him happen to be what looks like

meth heads that are also cue people that also believe in the right of these wild horses that live out there that destroy all the property and they want to be able

to be on their land with their destructive horses even though it's this guy's land and he put up a fence and that's what the argument is and it's them going back and then they like bring in a mediator and it's them go but it's,

but then the other story is about rich people that live on the beach and then the people that have decided, especially, man, like the First Amendment activists and stuff like, like, but the ones that. The weird ones. Oh, yeah. Of like, this is a public beach.

This is a public place. I can say and I can do whatever I want here. And versus the people that bought the houses to have the private beach access. Uh-huh. Oh, fun. I love it. It's that, but it's bull. So you're watching these people argue in ways of just like, oh my God, oh, God.

And I was riveted. And every episode is about different issues. So it's not good. It doesn't follow the same story. So it's just kind, it's just little snapshots of these insane arguments. And they don't, I don't think any of them have any kind of resolution. There's nothing. It's just weird fights between.

neighbors. Hell yeah. That sounds like my exact shit. I love this. Dude. And the fact that they are 30-minute episodes, that they are just little swallowable, little just...

And it's a... Safty. Safty's a producer. I know. I mean, yeah. But... And now I can't remember which one's the good one and which ones...

Oh, wait. So this is Josh Safty. I know it... The Marty... It's the smashing machine is the bad one. Marty Supreme is the badie. I think that's Josh, right?

Yeah. That is Josh. Is Marty Supreme? That's a baddie? I think so. I think it was the bigger, for successful one. Who's the baddie?

But, okay. You know, like, we, we have established that there's very little way to consume things that aren't, um, tangentially involving bad people. And that's okay. I want to watch this. I love, like,

he is the worst behind the camera one. I'm just making, making sure. Yes. Yeah. I love docu series. I've always been like a show me your. Through her.

By the way, heresy, heresy, heresy. But, you know, still. Show me your weirdest documentaries and your feuds and everything. So I'm absolutely going to be watching neighbors. I kept, you kept talking about it, and I kept thinking of the 2014 film with Seth Rogan. Is that it? 2014 neighbors. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Wow. No, I don't know what you mean. Zach Efron at Seth Rogan. I don't think anyone has thought about it since 2014. I think I bring up Seth Rogen all the time just because because I am a person that does not have children. I don't know in my algo I get random childless like advocate. You know, it's like, we have a right to be child.

You know, it's like all that kind of stuff where I'm just like Jesus Christ. But how many times I see the interviews of, I think Seth Rogen was on Drew Barrymore not that long ago. Oh no, it was Kelly Clarkson. And Kelly Clarkson was like, and you really, no kids, you really don't want to have kids? And he's just like, yeah, man, I, uh, seems like all the parents of my life are really struggling. And, uh, he does. He's like, it doesn't look fun. It doesn't look fun.

So why, and she's like, but it's just so, so we're, as she's about to say, and he's like, rewarding. I know. Rewarding is the word. Yeah, that's what they say. They all say. He's like, I feel like it's like a cult that you're all been taught this word rewarding, uh, to get.

you through how difficult it is. And I'm not saying, I'm not shitting on having children. I just think it is so funny that like Kelly Clark is just like, sure. Come on. Come on. But wait, also speaking of Seth Rogan, I've been meaning to ask you if you watch the Muppet, his Muppet show reboot. The Sabrina Carpenter. The special. Yes. Very. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely delightful. Okay. Good. All right. It is, it is on our list. We did. I finally got. Sabrina Carpenter is a Muppet as a human. I was just thinking this.

I was like, she's perfect, especially because I really liked that variety show that she did, that like holiday special was that last Christmas. And I was like, I really like how funny and like kind of vaudevillian she is.

She's the perfect casting to be in new Muppets. And I kind of want this partnership to continue. I know. It makes perfect sense. There is like, I know that it was worded

the street that that was kind of like a pitch to obviously try to do more. So I don't know if it's going to get more. I know over the weekend I'm going to some show called Puppet Up, which is a Jim Henson production, but it's like dirty puppets. But I, as someone with that, I mean, you know I love Avenue Q. And I, you give me some dirty pups and I'm down. I have no idea. I'm not looking into it at all. A friend of mine was like, I saw it and I think that you're going to like it to the point that he wanted to go again. So I was like, all right, yeah, I'll go see. There's puppet show.

But yeah, but it is by the Henson production. So I don't know. I thought they don't usually do that. I mean, at least maybe they do because it's not shot. You know what I mean? Right. So it's like there's a live show. Yeah.

I don't know. Huh. But it gives me meet the feebles. It's giving me the feebles, which I wish I could have. have that slogan up on my office wall, but for those of you that have seen Meet the Feebles, you know how funny what I just said is. Because Meet the Feebles, I still am, I think about it all the time. It's one of those movies that just has never really left. Are you familiar with Meet the Feebles, the Peter Jackson? Oh, yeah. It's essentially, yeah, I think I watched this in high school. I imagine you did

when we were all, like, I remember just being like, yeah, I even love meat the feebles. Yeah. Like, I thought it was like an edge lord. Yeah, yeah. And it's essentially like the behind the scenes of a Muppet type show, but what the puppets are actually like behind the scenes. And it is, I will also say caution, trigger. It is a very, very filthy, upsetting, disgusting movie. It's Peter Jackson.

It's O.G. Peter Jackson. And again, if you're familiar with OG Peter Jackson, we're talking more about like bad taste. We're talking about, you know, more back in the day, you're familiar with Meet the Feebles. But it's actually very difficult to find. Yeah, it doesn't even have a raided. I've had to hunt it down.

And I do want to see it again just to, it was one of those movies that I think I think about it all the time because it opened up a space in my brain when I was very young to be like, oh, you can make. this kind of shit, you know? It was like one of those of, like a mind expansion. Yeah. Yeah.

Absolutely. Speaking of older movies, I just want to shout out that I finally got into my Catherine O'Hara tribute era. And we watched Best and Show and are in the middle of Mighty Wind. And I had never seen a Mighty Wind. And we just rewatched Mighty Wind too. Do Mighty Wind. We were saying Mighty Wind is a, it's a like a,

a romance. It's a nod to the folk world more than it is a comedy. They are like, it is such a showcase because that soundtrack, man, lived in my brain. I loved that soundtrack. And it is yes. So good. It's crazy to be like, you're telling, especially because I've been a fan of the, you know, Christopher Gast and all these actors for, and so much of their work over so many years. But I just missed Mighty Win. And watching it is like, you're telling me that the funniest group of people I've ever seen are also extremely musically talented. All musically talented. All of them playing these instruments. They can all sit.

That's why they made the movies. That's because they were like, brilliant. And to do actual great folk music on top of it. Yeah, it's just. It's just. Yeah. And also what I think it's really fun. It's Eugene Levy and kind of a different character than usual, you know?

Like, it's... More precious than a pot of gold. And I remember watching an interview with Catherine O'Hara talking about how she and Eugene had worked together for so many years, but that I believe that it was Mighty Wind. That was the first time they were ever romantic partners. And talking about finding that with him. Yeah. Because it is also though, Catherine O'Hara's hair in a Mighty Wind is my hair. And because you can see all the gray and the tinsel, like, as you're watching it, maybe you'll start to like notice it.

And I was like, do I have the same hair as Catherine O'Hara in Mighty Wind? And I looked at Jeff. And it's gray. And Jeff looked at me and went, you do. But that's not a bad thing. You know that, right? And I was like, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. I know. I'm not freaking out just because MJ is turning 40. Yeah, you know that once I turn 40 means it's not right around the

mountain, baby. Oh, it's coming around the mountain. Oh, it's coming around the mountain. Um, but, you know, what else is coming around the Scottish mountain? The traitors. The traitors. What do we think? How are you feeling? How are you feeling? I, okay, I loved last week's episode with Candace getting found out straight away, right, right after Lisa had been found out. This is your spoiler alert for the traitors warning. This week's... Well, I mean, you already spoiled it, but that was two weeks ago. But now we're about to talk about...

That was... Oh, because of that. Yeah, yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes. But now we're about to spoil the episode from this past week, which is the one after Candace got found out. So, how do I feel? We were left with Rob briefly on his own as a traitor and he got to recruit somebody. And he recruited the most nervous boy in the whole castle.

Man, I just don't know why he chose him. Eric is not ready for this. Absolutely. Like, if you think Lisa Rino was quiet as a traitor, Eric gets brought into the traitor realm and immediately stops talking completely at every man. Can't handle it. Cannot handle it.

Visibly terrified and uncomfortable. And I think it's so funny that he's like, I'm a good person. I can't be a traitor. I'm like, buddy, it's a game. And he is really reacting as if he's like actually been enlisted into like an actual killer cult. Like a CIA. Yes. It made me, honestly, it was giving Riley.

from Buffy. I was just like, oh, you have to go. I feel like now you have to be like this undercover guy going after stuff, but then you also get married when you're somewhere else, even though it's been only a year. But we're not talking about that episode of Buffy, but definitely check that out because I think that episode of Buffy that we just watched just dropped, I believe. I think that's right. But I mean, honestly, what this most recent Trader's episode is really about is about friendship. And it's about the friendship between Johnny Weir and. It's about the friendship between Johnny Weir and. in Tara Lipinski, and it's so sweet that nobody cares about figure skating so much. Nobody cares. Wow, they don't care. These guys were able to skate under the radar as best friends for 11 years due to their both being Olympic figure skaters together at the same time. And nobody in the house gave a shit. Nobody noticed them. Nobody thought to examine their friendship. And then when they are finally under the microscope and they're like, yeah, we're best friends and we're never going to betray each other

because we've been through a lot because we were childhood Olympians. Yeah. And everyone's like, wow, they've really got something going on. I'm like, you guys, if you had been awake in the 1990s, or ask one question. One question. If you could just ask a couple. It also goes to show how much everybody in the traders all they're thinking about is themselves. They know, they know, but.

A nobody thinking about you. Nobody's thinking about you at all unless they are thinking poorly of you as a traitor. You know what I mean? Outside of that, though, they're only thinking about themselves. And Johnny and Tara said at the beginning, they were like, we're not going to hide our friendship, but we're also not going to make a big deal out of it. But they're clear, they've always been together hanging out the entire time. And everyone just noticed because everybody thought Candace had kind of put a spotlight on Johnny. And really, Johnny and Tara just have. Like, also, you know, Winter Olympics happening right now. And Johnny, we are just keeps saying how deeply traumatized he and Darylopensky are by being Olympians. He's like, he's like, we never played games as children. We didn't have normal childhoods. We've never played a game. Of course, we're panicking. We don't know how to play a game.

I'm like, Johnny. All we know is skate. All we know is ice. Yes. And so, but they are ride or die. They're like, I will never. ever hurt you. We have been forged in fire and ice. You don't think the second they were given the opera, you think that not one of them would flip? I bet one of them would flip. No, I believe in

this friendship, Jackie. How dare you? I'd flip in a second, MJ. I need you know this now. Yep, I'm flipping in a heartbeat. If we're on the traders, I'm flipping. I'm flipping so fast, I'm a lie to your face. And you're going to know I'm lying. But here's the thing. That is the difference is that also I feel like with Johnny and Tara, if one of them had been brought in be the traitor, the other one would know so fast. For sure. And also, I mean, hopefully, unlike Eric, you know, I understand it's a game. And so I'm just, honestly, at this point, I'm like, I just hope that nothing happens to fuck up this beautiful friendship. Because some of these people seem to be forgetting that it's a game. Man, that, God, was it last week when he

looked at Candace and went, it's a game, Candace? When Rob said that to Candace, when she had just the look of true genuine, like, it's game, Candice. And that's what we're, and that's why Rob is thriving because Rob's just like, man, it's a game. I don't care. I'm having a good time. I'm going to keep snaking. I'm going to keep fucking over everybody. And it's just funny because I feel like I see the back and forth of people being like, he's the worst traitor that has ever trained. It's like, but he's supposed to be a traitor. So he's traitoring against the other traders. I think that's great. Yeah. No, it's, this show is so weird because it is literally a game where people's job is to either pretend to be bad or pretend to be good.

and everyone's like, that person is pretending to be bad. And it's like, yeah, that's the point. Yeah, that's the point. That's why we were brought here. It's why I would never go and do it again. It's why looking at a big brother, when asked to go audition for Big Brother, I watched two episodes of Big Brother and went, no.

I would never do that. That is the last thing I would ever do. You know how bad I would be at being looked at all the time. But would you do traitors? If you get a call today, Jackie, come to the castle. I do it. Yeah, I definitely do it. I feel like what's fun about this show, again, even though everyone keeps forgetting.

Because I love to talk to people, too. And you know I think I could, even though I say that I've worn my heart in my sleeve. I think I could trade. I think I could be trade. I mean, the stakes are just so low. You get to go stay in a beautiful Scottish manner and just pretend to be good or bad. Well, they don't stay at the manner. They actually stay at the manner.

they actually stay at hotels. They just make it look like they stay at the manner. Interesting. Yeah, I've read the behind the scenes on the traders. But it's not like you're being judged. Like so many reality shows, you're being judged on your skill or, you know, you're eating bugs or whatever. And I feel like Traders is just like, let's have some fun as a group.

Let's play a party game together. And everyone's absolutely dissolving under the pressure of it. And yeah, now I'm like, I would totally play. this game. I think that it's great. I don't know how what happens with a with a final. How do you get out of this? What what? Just realize how do we have an LPN traders? Ooh. How do we do LPN traders where we all get locked into a house? And then we all have to do it to each other. I just think that would be funny of us trying to have to do those stupid games. So in the end, essentially you can't have a trader make it through to.

to the end, you're trying for, you're trying to find all of the traders because if a trader does win in the end of like whatever group is left, they can take all of the money. I see. And if all faithfuls are in the end, then they split the money. Got it. Okay. I see. Oh, also, I remember what I wanted to say, which was when Mark Ballas was Johnny and Tara were

talking about how they would never betray each other because they worked together for so long. and Mark Ballas, who is from Dancing with the Stars and whose partner was Whitney, was like, listen, I get it. In my sport, we also, like, work together and we become close and we become partners. But just if my partner was here, I wouldn't automatically trust them. And I was like, is that about Whitney? Is that about Whitney? Whoa, is that about Whitney?

But I'm sure he's had many partners. And also, he and Whitney appear to still be friends because, again, Whitney seems to not be as horrifically toxic as like a hilaria. and yeah, Whitney. No, she just got the villain at it. She did what she felt she needed to do so that she could build her career. And honestly, she's doing it. It worked very well for her.

Yeah, Mark Ballas and Whitney Levitt just went to see six together on Broadway. So their friendship is doing fine. Now, MJ, I have to ask you if you're going to bring yourself to watch the America's Next Top Model documentary. I feel like we have to. I think we have to, too. but I was never a America's Next Top Model watcher. Me neither. I was not at all.

But we are a Tyro watcher. And the more I'm hearing about this documentary, the more I feel we might want to watch it. Yeah. Because it is. I mean, we knew this show was very upset. We knew that it was toxic. But it seems that it's even much more toxic than you imagine. I think that what will be fun about it, even as.

not America's next hot model people is that it appears to make Tyra Banks look very bad. Very bad. That's our favorite. That's our favorite genre. Taira Banks looking bad. Even though we are here, you know, I will make fun of your hot ice cream all day, Smies. Okay. But I'm not going to buy it. I'm not going to buy the hot ice cream, MJ. You're never going to make me buy the hot ice cream. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that we're not going to buy the hot ice cream. Tyra's not going to apologize. She's not going to take any responsibility for anything. Nope. It seems like, yeah, all I've seen about the documentary is everyone just being like,

what a shit show. What a nightmare. Like, Gideon was a Project Runway guy, which I also didn't watch. But I think, oh, I watched a lot of Project Runway. Henry and I have watched so much Project Runway together. It's very funny. I never had cared about Project Runway until I lived with Henry. When I hit Rock Bottom and I moved in with Henry and I lived with Henry for a while,

I had no idea how much Project Runway Henry watched. I feel like it's the kind of thing he never really brought up. And he loves Project Runway. And we watched a lot of it. That's a fun thing for Henry to like. Well, you know what it was? We always made the joke. FJ, why we love to watch it together is that we would, we know so little about fashion and what

looks good, that we would always make the joke that the people that would win was always like, how, why are they making that? What is it? That looks like a bag of sack that you're wearing. And then like they end up being the winner. It's like, this is how little we know about high fashion. Yes, for sure. And at least that, I think that sounds more enjoyable because then it's about.

judging like the art that is the fashion, whereas it sounds like America's Next Top Model is about berating young women, right? The mannequin. Yeah, no, they wish that they had given them lobotomies so that they could just be mannequins. I think that's what America's Next Top Model was missing. It was missing the entrance lobotomies so that then you wouldn't have to worry about what you're doing to all these people that you're using and abusing. So this is, The Washington Post headline is America's next top model was obviously cruel. We watched it anyway. It's, now I kind of want to watch this for many reasons. Again, watching Tyra Flale is the main one. But it is like, it's always interesting to revisit a cultural phenomenon one to two decades out when you're in a completely different cultural moment.

And suddenly this thing that seemed completely normal at the time now stands out as a complete nightmare. I think, I mean, definitely for me, as someone that has lived most of my life in a plus-sized body, I wasn't watching that fucking show. I mean, especially wasn't going to watch someone that was a size two be fat shamed. Like, I couldn't even bring myself to even possibly watch something like that. Yeah, thank you for bringing that in. It seems like a lot of what is in this documentary is just like nightmarish fat shaming. Oh, very. Oh, and like that was something that was discussed at the time, but not in.

in a shaming manner. That was way more of like a, wow, they're getting down to brass tax. Wow, they're really telling these models what people expect to see. They're not afraid to say that this woman is disgusting. Right. And it's just so, so I, that's, I think I know it's why I had to ask you, are we going to watch this before I just watch it? I know I'm going to have a lot of feelings about me, even though it has nothing to do with me. I never wanted to be a model.

That's not anything I was ever going for. It's just the fact of being someone that is in an outward-facing profession and knowing that all people spoke of you like you're disgusting. Yeah. It's just, and for most of our lives. I know, I know.

And this is why it's so sad, as you have so correctly identified, that the Body Popper, moment is over. It's the door slammed shut on that moment. And there was just this little window there there where I, and I'm sure you can find tape in the show. It's still there in pockets. It's still there. It's still there. I've been thinking about this a lot because there was really a time. I know I said on the show, like, you know, if you're a tween or a teenage girl now, you're like seeing so many more different types of bodies and so many different people who like love their body, even if it doesn't look like, you know, all we saw was

Jennifer Love Hewitt on magazine covers and, and, you know, Ashley, or not Ashley Simpson, Roxy, Jessica Simpson. And, you know, we just, we only ever saw this one type of body and we were built to hate ourselves. But now with social media, I think it might actually be worse because, yes, you might be seeing a bigger range of bodies, hopefully, but also you're meant to now just post a picture of your own body and then have people rank it publicly. Yeah. Which is what social media is. Yeah. And you're supposed to do that from the time you're like, 11 and that can't be good. No.

So I do, I also worry about what feelings will come up with watching America's next top model. Because on the one hand, it is totally from a different era. Right. And on the other hand, we are slip, sliding back into an extremely repressive model for what, for what types of bodies we see. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that's, you know, all right, we're going to do it.

Okay. Let's do it. We're going to watch it. We're going to talk about it next week. Talk about it next week. It's going to hurt. It's going to hurt. But we're going to do it and then we're going to talk about it.

It's going to be great. All right. All right. But I am, I'm not going to say that I'm not excited about it, but all of the BuzzFeed lists. I'm trying to not look at the bus feed list of like, these are all the most terrifying and toxic things that you learn in the docu-series. It's just like, all right, we'll learn them. We'll get it in there. And we're doing it for all of us, guys.

We need to know these things. Yes. Thank you. But it is a good reminder. that going into watching this is going to be very upsetting. But maybe we can end on the not upsetting news that the pit, did you see this video, that the pit, their actors are not allowed to have their phones on set

because of, and crew is also, no one's allowed to have a phone on set because I guess no spoilers. So Noah Wiley who, yes, I know, problematic, whatever, made a cute little video about how there's a library full of books on the set for people to read when they're bored, because they don't have their phones. Oh, that's cute. And isn't that nice?

That's really cute. It's a nice idea. And also I did want to give just a quick shout out to Erica, who wrote in the Patreon comment, Chicago is making a meta commentary by casting infamous public figures to play a role in which the character is also an infamous woman. It is so smart they've been doing this for years. Just wanted to say thank you for that comment because, yeah, you're right. And I do love that about Chicago. And I'm so excited, MJ that you got to see Whitney in.

in Chicago. I'm so excited. That's so wonderful. I was so, I had such a good time. She did great. And I think this is what we want for reality stars. Go towards meaningful artistic performances. This is great. And also Secret Lives of Mormon's Wives is coming back for season three and the trailer dropped yesterday. Oh yes. Which apparently she is shooting while also doing Roxy. Wow. By the way. Wow. That's crazy. That is crazy. crazy. But, you know, if you find yourself going, oh, also, I needed to shout out. Claire, Claire, I hope you're listening on my, did I say this on yesterday show? On my way to dancing with the stars at Radio City, somebody stopped me on 6th Avenue and said, oh my gosh, hi, I'm a big

page 7 fan. And I said, oh my gosh, hi. And she said, I'm here in New York with my mom. And I said, I'm here with my mom. I'm on my way to dancing with the stars. And then we had such a sweet moment. And then I went to see Dancing with Stars. And then after the show, I was walking south on 6th Avenue. Claire and I passed each other again. And we just did a little... What? It's the biggest little town in the world. Just in a little New York hello that time.

And so Claire, you're the best. Thank you for saying hi. That was really fun and really special. Thank you, Claire. Oh, my God. That's so wonderful. Always say hi. We love saying hi.

Yes, yes. Shoutouts not to human beings, but shout outs to other things that I watch that you should definitely check out. Predator Badlands. Predator Badlands was sick as hell. It is the new predator. and El Fanning is in it and she is great and it is fun.

But also, send help. It is the new Sam Ramey movie and it is starring Rachel McAdams and I don't know the other man's name. But I will say if you like Rachel McAdams and you want to see her doing something you've never seen her do before, go watch send help. She's absolutely outstanding in it. And MJ, you would love this movie. The whole movie is about Rachel McAdams. They desperately try to make her seem mousy for like 10 minutes, which you have to really, you got to wake up real early in the morning if you want to make her look mousy.

And she's really shit on in this toxic male work environment. Oh. And they are taking a small plane to go, like she's always abused. Oh, and like, and the plane goes down, this small plane, and it is her on an island, trapped on the island with coworkers. With the toxic coworkers. With the toxic coworkers. And they see it very, very early that she's a huge Survivor fan.

And it is awesome, MJ. Wow. It is, man, Rachel McAdams. Wow, it's great. I just, I needed to say this just because go see Send Help if you can. Okay, great. Oh, I love this. I love her.

All right. Well, is that... That's our show for you guys. Yeah. We gotta get on and get on, get on here. Thank you, everybody, for hanging out with us on this week's episode of Sickenheapins. We'll be back next week. We're going to be on page seven.

We'll have Kara with us next week. Oh, yay. Very excited about that. And she's excited about that too. And also get the two, the Wisteria Laniacs. I think that everybody's having a lot of fun over on the page seven Patreon. on. I know we're definitely having a lot of fun. We sure are, man. It's so much fun.

And I'm excited because we get to talk to Kara about it on Tuesday because Carol was a huge Desperate Housewives fan. And she's, as I've been talking to her about what's going on, she's just like, oh my God, yes. Oh, my God. Yeah. And just like, I see the light in her eyes, you know? So join us next week, everybody. And also, if you're in Los Angeles, Join us at the Ripped Baudits. Natalie and I are doing a Monsters Against Ice live show. February 25th next Wednesday at the live at the ripped bodice in Los Angeles. And all of the 100% of the proceeds are going to be donated to Churla.

Monsters, they are against ice too because of those kind of monsters are not the ones we're trying to bang. So check that out. Go on over and follow the Ripped Bodies. this. Also follow us on Romantici deep dives on Instagram as well as TikTok to get more clips coming at you and more information, MJ. I think we're ready to sing the song. Oh, okay, great. Pot'll be better. The second time round. This show is made possible by listeners like you. Thanks to our ad sponsors. You can support our shows by supporting them. For more shows like the one you just listened to, go to lastpodcastnetwork.com.

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