Page 7 - Second Helpings - I've Got Some Brain Problems

Episode Date: June 6, 2025

It's time for some more slippy sloppy Second Helpings as Large Adult Choir Member Jackie Zebrowski brings us up to date on any, and all, things happening with her newest obsession because she's a Choir Girl now, and MJ loves that for her.Then we're jumpin' RIGHT into 'Hereditary' as MJ gives his breakdown on how extra NOT to watch 'Hereditary', with many a SPOILER to beLISTEN from 9:00.279 til around 25:49.522 or so: LISTENER BEWARE, YOU'RE IN FOR A SPOILER SCARY. Jackie highly suggests the Youtube series called 'Hereditary - The Complete Guide (Everything Explained)' by Youtuber Novum, which is a deep dive into the many little easter eggs and such. Eyerolls heard for miles as the genre 'Elevated Horror' enters the chat. MJ and Jackie want to 'BRIIIINNNGGG HHHEERRR BAAACCKKK', even if NO ONE WARNED JACKIE 'BOUT DEAD DAD UP TOP (except everyone totally did, but it was TOOOO LATE!). She's also super salty Henry and Ed got to interview the directors of previously mentioned movie for Side Stories, UGH. 'Eddington' is comin' out soon and it's gettin' weeeeeird reviews, but that won't stop Jackie's watchin' it! Jackie also received a wicked box of Aussie Snackies from some very nice people which leads to a MUTED JACKIE'S INTERNATIONAL SNACKIES @ around 1:10:54.579 til basically the end, but there's not really any munchin' noises. Arnold Schwarzenegger has been dubbed 'a weirdo' for talkin' 'bout his sons MAGNUM DONG as seen in 'The White Lotus' (S3, E1; 56min, 51sec), and MJ can't keep them HAWGS straight. Jackie started the Nick Kroll sitcom on Hulu called 'Adults' and it's makin' her reminisce with a tear in 'er eye, and THAT sends 'em BOTH down an "IM SORRY" bad youth behavior memory road. Then it's time to check in on them bitches from 'Secret Lives of Mormon Wives', AND HOW WILL MOMTOK SURVIVE THIS!!??! TLC's 'Polyfamily' is exactly what everyone expected. Kylie Jenner posted a specyspicy 'Sex and The City' meme 'bout B-Ball 'cause TimTims team lost, which bounces us right into some SPECTATOR SPORTS TALK! AND SO MUCH MOOOOOOOOOORE!!!!Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Second time. We didn't sing it right. Pott'll be better. We will make it better second time around, literally. We will. So I guess that's the page seven guarantee is that we will,

but also we are going to Pott'll be better the second time around. I'm sorry. You know, it's difficult for me as a professional singer now to just like come back here and just sing our, oh, our measly theme song for our second helpings, you know, because. Now that you are a large adult choir member.

Thank you. I'm not calling you large. Oh, interesting. It sounds like MJ owes me in a sorry song. Oh, how big is she in the choir? Oh, yeah, I saw you. Yeah, oh, big, oh, thick. coming into the choir.

Whenever something is an adult something, I always have to say large adult something. Like my large adult son, I call my scooter my large adult scooter. You're in a large adult choir. You're not, you know what, your size is irrelevant. I don't comment on people's size.

Oh my God, I would love to be, and please put me in a plus size choir. I mean, that would be the upper echel. That's what I'm looking to achieve with my life. Is that what I need to start? Guys, I'm a choir person now

And I went to one session of being in a choir And now I'm all choir And you gave to come at me I love this for you Because you think like oh Jackie's got solo energy right But here's the thing, I don't And this is what I didn't even know That I was going to love about the choir

Is that even though I'm giving it the show Right? I'm giving it my hands You got to dance with your shoulders, MJ But Oh, I know. I was in show choir. Oh, I forget. I'm speaking to the choir. Come on. Come on. She's a choir bitch now. I can make these jokes now because I'm in a choir. I am so excited that you're in a large adult choir. It's you and three of your large adult friends and the large adult choir. Oh, yeah. We are in a large adult choir. And yes, they give you scarves to throw up in the air. And I was telling this to MJ. earlier that the big fun, you know, choir director went up and he was like, now everybody

take out your scarves. And I'm about to put on a song that everybody knows the words to you and I want you to sing with your soul. And we all took our scarves and we got ready to sashay through the community center space. And what song did he play? Breakaway by Kelly Clarkson. And it was something I didn't even know we needed. Oh my God. Make a wish. I've been my wings and I learned how to fly. It was just a bunch of people just scarf singing,

breakaway by Kelly Clarkson. Everybody's got to join a choir. I'm so happy. I'm just, I feel like I'm in a choir, just hearing about your choir. Can I ask about the demographics of the choir, specifically age? Wow. It is all over. the place.

Really? It's all over the place. There are no minors allowed, which I was glad about. Good. They don't understand the emotional depth of breakaway, you know? They don't. They don't know what we've been through. They need to be busy singing Andrew Lloyd Weber songs until they turn 18, you know?

Yes, they need to learn better. Yeah. But not in this fucking class. No, we were having a blast with, you know, some people. We've got empty nesters. We have other people like us that I think are just trying to not meet other parents. I think like trying to do things that don't just center around their children. I think it's a lot of people that are like desperate for connection.

Someone whose spouse was like, you need something besides this. Go join a choir like that. Get out of the house. You need to go do something on a Tuesday night. All right. And something that is not here. Go somewhere. And that's where everyone was sent to the choir.

and I didn't even know that we all needed it, you know? It's kind of like a timeout, but instead it's a choir. It's a choir, and you go and you sing. And it's not about judgment, okay? It's not about judgment. But see, but that's, this is why I'm not in a choir. You know, I've been in many choirs. I've been in a show choir.

I've been in a jazz choir. I've been in a chamber choir. No, I was never good enough to be in the chamber choir. Don't you say that, MJ. I'm a bad singer, I understand. MJ. It is a great, you know, loss in my life that I'd love to sing and I just can't. I'm missing a gear in there.

But that's the beauty of choir. Yeah. Get yo ass in a choir. As long as it's not, but then I found out, MJ, this is the problem. We immediately found out. So this is more of like the fun choir. There's also the competitive choir. Oh, and you're going to join the competitive choir because you're very competitive.

I can't, MJ. I can't. I cannot. Can you imagine me flipping my shit when like I get docked points because I didn't smile big enough? I mean, I've heard about your like state theater contest experiences in high school. Imagine if as an adult you get to spend your weekends doing state theater contests but for large adult competitive choir. With costumes. With costumes. And oh, your sense of self-worth would be so tied to it. And that would be so great.

It would be bad for me. Honestly, my obsessions, I don't know if you guys know this, but like I've got some brain problems and like I get many obsessions and it changes very quickly. But sometimes, sometimes they stick. All right. Sometimes it sticks. You have to tell them. This one's gonna, okay, everybody? You have to tell them what the other song is.

The other song besides Kelly Clarkson's. breakaway is. Oh, do you want me to sing my part of it? Oh, I want to dance with somebody. I want to feel the heat with somebody. She's in the alto section, folks. Yeah, I want to dance with somebody who loves me. And yeah, it doesn't sound so good when I'm by myself, but when I'm with the choir. The choir? Listen, one of my lifelong best friends I made in choir Sunday night. Really? Yes. Oh, we made some friends, MJ.

Oh, we made some friends. I truly, I'm laughing very hard. And I legitimately think it's a great idea. I love a choir. I was saying to Jackie, I still remember the harmony, because of course I was an alto. I really should have been a tenor. I have a very love one.

Really? I think alto stuff was too. I mean, I guess I could be an alto, but I, you know, children's choirs don't have tenors because I don't think that they think children have voices that go that low. But I think that I would have thrived in the tenor section myself. But they don't let you go to the tenor section if you're a girl.

And anyway, probably some vocalists out there. At least they didn't in 1996. Maybe that has changed. You should go back there now and be like, you teach me now. You bastards. I knew I was a boy and I knew I was a tenor. Teach me to ten. You do it now.

But I still remember, Good Night, My Angel, by Billy Joel. our rendition. Don't make me cry. And my friend sat behind me and he has a, he has still a beautiful, beautiful voice. He had a beautiful voice before his voice changed. He had a beautiful voice after his voice changed. And he sat right behind me. And again, this guy right here, not as beautiful a voice, but I always heard his voice while I was singing. And there are certain songs that I still hear in his voice because he sat behind me. And his voice was so angelic. So, yeah. So you're haunted by this child because you need to talk about this? He's a little. He's He's still one of my besties.

Are you sure he doesn't live within the doll? I'm sorry. The puppet. I'm sorry. What's his name? Charlie McCarthy. Charlie McCarthy. I'm sorry, Charlie.

I'm sorry, Charlie. You have to say it three times if you forget his name. Don't accuse him of being haunted because this friend did go on to become a pastor. So he's the opposite of haunted. He's a man of God. I don't know. Maybe he's filled with the Holy Spirit and that's most likely actually a demon. I more believe in the demon.

We're going to talk about hereditary. We're jumping into hereditary. I just want to say we are about to talk spoilers for hereditary. Spoiler alert for 2018's Hereditary. 2018, though, I need to throw it out there, guys. If you really cared, you would have seen it by now. Give us 20 minutes. And if you come back in 20 minutes and hear us talking about demons,

and I'll give you the woe. Give us 20 more. I don't know how long it'll take, but I do know that some people did not like that we talked about White Lotus spoilers. and so I want to give you ample room to leave and come back. Give us 20 minutes. That was the week of. That was like the week of.

I understand why people were upset. I understand. But again, 2018's hereditary. 2018's hereditary. Seven years ago. Okay. We're going in. It is, I want to just.

I don't pat myself on the back because last week I was like, MJ, at least watch like the first 20, 30 minutes just so you get the vibe. I didn't understand how funny it is that you said that. It's so funny that I said that. It is very funny that you said that. It's also very funny. I think somebody pointed, somebody on Patreon pointed out that you also said let Gideon watch the first 20 minutes to see if he likes it. Which is very mean. Well, speaking of the first 20 minutes of Hereditary, let me set the scene for you.

You didn't know anything about it. I knew nothing. I knew nothing. I have seen Mid-Solmah, and so I kind of knew the vibe. The vibe. Oh, yeah. Let me just set the scene for exactly how not to watch Hereditary, which is how I watched Hereditary. Do tell.

Because, you know, I did not want to watch it with Gideon. Yes. And so it was Monday, and I was like, all right, I don't know if we'll talk about this on Tuesday's recording or Wednesday's recording, but let me just try to get this done. But I had a bunch of other things to do in the day. I'm impressed by you, by the way. I didn't know if you were going to actually get it done. done and I'm impressed. I wanted to get it done, but I was like, I have, you know, I have this, I had a six hour

block while the kids were in school and I had a bunch of things to do. So I was doing the things and I was like, am I really going to watch hereditary at like noon on a Monday? Garfield, okay. But you know what I did that was much worse was that I started hereditary at about 130 on a Monday and I pick my kids up from school at two on a Monday. So you know what happened? Oh, right before you went to pick up the kids.

I got, maybe that's not, maybe I gave myself a little more time. I was like, okay, I'll get a little bit of it done. I think maybe I watched a little bit more than 20 minutes. But yes, I basically got to that part and then immediately had to walk out into the garish light of day to pick up my young children. And I was like, I was so fucked up. I was like, what have I done to myself? Will I ever recover? Will I ever feel normal?

What have I done? I, I. That makes me the happiest person in the world. So for those of you who haven't seen Hereditary, something very upsetting happens at about the 20, the 20, 30 minute mark so early in the movie that you think that can't possibly be what just happened. Because usually movies build up to the worst thing happening. Exactly.

And this movie the worst thing happens very early. But that's why. And it is, oh, I went into it also. when I first saw it, I saw it the weekend it came out, also knew not, like, it had not been spoiled. I knew nothing. And we all thought the movie was about the kid. The kids, yeah.

And, yeah, right. The kid who seems to be like, oh, something's going out with this kid. Yeah, some going out with this kid. And even the trailer, if you go back and you watch a trailer, it is as if that's what the whole movie's about. So it rocked us so hard. Like, there are parts of hereditary. that I still, and I've seen many, many, many horror movies.

And there are very few that there are just like flashes of a movie that just come into my brain. But the neck part. Yeah. Is something that and the slam, slam, slam, slam, slam, slam, slam, slam, slam, slam, slam, part. Yeah. Really, I think about them like too awful, like to a point that I worry if I'm, sick. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't think I, I mean, I'm already pretty scared of cars, pretty scared of

young people ever growing up to be young adults who drive cars. And so I think that's gonna, luckily we live in New York City and my children can never learn to drive. Keep them on the subway. Yeah, they'll never learn. Yeah, they'll never learn. I think that's good. I think tell them that they can't learn. Yeah. I think start it now. I feel like you should have been put in this anxiety in them, well, they don't, they already don't like the car. This is great. You've already started this. They already don't like the car. And then I'll show.

And when they are 16 and they ask me for a license, I'll just show them hereditary. That's why teenagers don't drive. Don't drive a car. Exactly. Then you become arrested development. It was all of the characters. But honestly, it really is, that's why you don't let anything, and I'm including dogs, have their heads hanging out the window of a car.

because that's a lesson learned. Even if you're in anaphyptic shock. Nothing should be that close to your car, usually. Yeah. You know? Yeah. You don't plan for that. No, of course.

I was already upset because I was like, you fucking idiot. Why did you leave the party? Call 911 at the party. Yeah. What do you think is going to, but little did I know everything was about to get much worse. But also, at that age? Of course. You're terrified.

No, you're, yeah. You don't know what to do. It's very real that you made a wrong decision at that age. and that you are trying to solve the problem without making it a bigger problem. But Alex Wolfe, who plays Peter, that man, going head to head. So you did watch the whole movie.

Watch the whole movie, yep. Bro, that fucking dinner scene. So there's a, I think I was, was I telling you about there's a YouTube series that does a four and a half hour introspective into Hereditary and all of the Easter eggs of Hereditary. I would like this because I do, the first thing I did after I finished the movie was go read as many articles as I could about the movie because I was like, I need a framework with which to understand what I just saw.

So I would love to watch this YouTube series that you're telling me about. But so, yeah, tell me. It is called hereditary, the complete guide. Hereditary, complete guide. In parentheses, everything explained by Novum. And it is now, right now, making the, I just saw it kind of, making the rounds right now and it came out two years ago but it is yeah four and a half hour deep dive into because I mean hereditary whether you like it or whether you did it like it is a brilliant

film so it's a rich it's this is okay so I read my first thought my first like conscious thought after finishing hereditary was I think I might not like horror movies and then I was like no that's not true like I enjoyed watching it but I I don't. That's what Hereditary did it. Hereditary was like, you know what? I don't like this entire genre.

Yeah. No, every Halloween, every October, I'm like, let's watch scary movies. And I always have fun and I've never really that upset. And then I finished this one. And I was like,

I think I hate this entire genre. But I enjoyed, here's the thing. I enjoyed watching the movie. But I, it's like how we talk about some, some media that we consume. I can consume it with like critical thought as I'm consuming it.

And then some, it just washes over me. And I was watching, I think that I watched Hereditary. I was like, I'm drawn in by the family, by like the family dynamics, the family, there's obviously so many layers. But then when we got to the end and we get to all the demon stuff, I was kind of like, wait, what? What the fuck?

But then I read a million Reddit threads about it. And they're like, you can go back and see how they're building this buildup to all the cult stuff and the demons. But I saw none of that. And so I was like, did I get, I know I didn't get as much out of the movie as I could, But I'm like, did I get anything out? Like, what did I get out of this movie? But I guess that's the nature of... Did you get that Tony Colette is an insane, amazing actress?

Yes, I loved her. And I love... Yeah, I mean, I loved... The wailing, the grief. You know what it is to... I feel that while this is obviously a horror movie, I feel like it's also a horrifying drama. Yes, yes.

And that's how I experienced it. I experienced it as a horrifying family drama. Then at the end, when it turned out to be a demon cult story the whole time, I was like, oh, I didn't, I really didn't understand. I had no idea where, if you, if you paused the movie at any point and asked me, where is this going, I would be like, I have no idea. I'm just along for the ride. And I think I experienced Midsomar a little bit differently, although similarly, I remember with Mitzumar, I saw it. And afterwards, I was like, well, I enjoyed that movie, but what the fuck just happened? And then I, like, read a Twitter thread that was like, Midsomar is about how.

white supremacy as a death cult. And immediately I was like, oh, I understand. Yeah. And once there's a death cult, there's no like logic, internal logic that can like let you escape the death cult. I was like, I, that makes sense. And I had this whole retroactive appreciation for the movie. And so I think I just need a lot of help. I need like study guides. I need, like I, in a way that I don't feel like I need with other genres. But maybe that's, R. Aster is just that person. Yeah. Like that's, I mean, Bo is afraid. I loved Bo as afraid. Yeah. But many people hate Bo's afraid. And I understand.

That's one of those ones I'm never going to be like, I can't believe you don't like this movie. It's like, I understand. Yeah. I've read a lot into it. And I think that it has many, many layers. I think that it is brilliant in multiple ways. But I also understand watching it being like,

the fuck is it so long. What is even happening? Especially, yeah, he loves a slow, low. Yes, it is. It's slow and long. But my promise I love, see, I love slow. Yeah, no, and it's effective. It's very effective. But yeah, I found myself, I had to, I read so many Reddit threads about the demon stuff because I was so, I was like, that's what was happening. I mean, I knew haunted shit was happening, obviously at some point in the movie, that becomes clear.

But there was, like, but I do think I need to be in conversation. about Hereditary. Like, I think that, I guess these movies, maybe specifically Ariester movies, are movies that, like, are, like, to me, for me, can't really be just consumed in one sitting. They have to be consumed in conversation, you know? And I think, and I think, I was thinking about, I thought about you. Because you see, well, you see so many horror movies and then you, like, love to talk about them. And then oftentimes, if you're talking about them on the show and I haven't seen them, I don't know how to, like, I'm like, yeah, cool. I like hearing about them.

But I'm realizing that so much, so many horror movies especially, but also this is also something where like I don't go to the movies with friends anymore. And like when I went to the movies with friends and saw that Steven Soderberg movie and then we hung out afterwards and talked about it, I was like, oh yeah, this is how movies are meant to be consumed. Like they are meant to be seen in a social context with a group of people reacting in real time and then discuss like over drinks afterwards. And that's why I love the movie theater. Yes. Yes. And like that's not how like how I consume movies is in 20 minute chunks on streaming on the couch. And then Gideon and I have other things to talk about so we don't usually talk about the movie afterwards. Of course.

And I think that's just perhaps this is totally stating the obvious. But with hereditary, I'm just like, it's like if a tree falls of the woods, does it make a sound? I'm like, does this movie, what is this movie without talking about it with somebody else? Like even if that's just reading Reddit threads, it helped me immensely. I remember the day that Jeff and I saw Hereditatories back when we both still smoke cigarettes. And, like, I remember we saw it in the middle of the day, and we had just started dating. And I remember sitting outside of the movie theater. And we chain smoked and talked about hereditary, I think, for, like, two hours.

Yeah. Like, we just, like, couldn't stop talking about it. And it was just one of those, like, beginning of where I was just like, oh, I could do this with you for the rest of time. Like, I love doing, like, why do you think we love going to the movie so much? because Jeff and I, man, do we, if you think I love to talk, you should listen to Jeff and I be around each other, just blah, blah, blah, but that's why we like horror movies, because you're right, there's so much oftentimes to unpack, or it's just nothing to unpack and it's fun schlock or, you know, it's like, and also horror can be so many different things. The fact that hereditary is considered horror, which I do think that it is, but the fact that it is so much more about. grief. Yeah. And it is very upsetting. I feel like it's more upsetting. At some point, I feel like there's a whole separate, Adam, is there a separate genre for disturbing? Like where we put like the

sadness, where we put movies like, even though I guess you can't put the sadness and hereditary in the same category. Yeah, this is a bad name for it. But they, They do call it elevated horror. So you can roll your eyes at that. Oh, God. That is what they do refer to it as. I knew you would know what is, and that does make me roll my eyes like meatballs off of a table,

elevated horror. Would we put the substance in elevated horror? Like, because it's so. I don't know. It might be like too fun and trash-oriented. Too body horror. Yeah. But I don't know.

I don't like the term I don't agree with it. So I don't know, it's hard for me to even interact with it. Yeah. Got it. That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense. I hate elevated horror.

I hate that. I really, oh, that really gets in my craw. Smart person's horror. Smart are only smart. I hate. Man, nothing just shuts me down. quicker than somebody with a stick up their ass about something like that. Did you like, okay.

Did you like midsomer? Like, do you like that? You like the aesthetic. You like, because I believe midsomar is another one where you don't, it doesn't feel like a horror at first. And you're like, what is this going to be about? Although it is kind of fun because I did threaten to midsumar myself towards Jeff. And then there was like, it was like 35 seconds of silence.

And he's like, I can't figure out. Which portion you're threatening to do to yourself? And I was like, oh, the first part. And he's like, oh, okay, yeah, that may not have. Yeah, there's a couple of different ways you can convince somebody yourself. But it was because we were about to go to sleep. And I was saying, like, wouldn't that be so cute? Because, like, then we would sleep forever if I, like, set up the car to put the exhaust.

And the, he thought it was hilarious. Man, it is a joke that it, like, it landed and it exploded. but I want to talk about, you know, not to pivot away from hereditary. I'm, thank you. You know what, MJ, thank you. Thank you for going through the experience of watching this movie just for my enjoyment, just because I wish I could have seen the look on your face. It's that, it's like the fact that I could imagine the look on your face when her head just gets right off.

You should have seen the look on my face as I was walking to pick up my children. I was like, you got to shake it off, MJ. Shake it off. Shake it off. You're going to be a parent now. You're a parent. Your children are alive. Everything is fine. Yeah. But yeah, Tony Collette, really, though, that dinner scene, apparently there's a bunch of time on just the dinner scene alone that I can't wait to watch and watch that be. Tony Collette is a national treasure. Yeah, yeah. It's truly, she's got to do anything. Yeah. She is, I mean, everyone in the movie is, I mean, everyone in the movie is. Fantastic, but she... Gabriel Byrne, oh my God. Gabriel Burns of me. Yeah, I talk about dads, emotionally absent dads, everyone.

Oh, my God. Speaking of roll call, bring her back. Let who live. Let who live. MJ and I are the only two people in the entire world who can't stop. The movie is called Bring Her Back. and I started singing Bring her back to the tune of Bring Him Home

and MJ I was like I also have been doing that And bring them home And that's not It has nothing to do with Lea Miss There's nothing about it I mean there is again grief I guess if we're going to be talking about grief

Yeah And maybe my brain has been there Yeah And I will say kudos to everybody because I was saying to everyone that I was like with Bring Her Back, I just knew that it was really good. I didn't even remember the trailer.

I knew nothing about it. I was looking at nothing. I was like, I just want to go in completely blind. And I did. And I love that nobody told me how, man, just up top that daddy dies. Wow. I think that people did tell you

but too late. I think that people, I think that, I think that, I think they were. I saw some Patreon comments be like, Jackie, not that one, not right now. But I think that it was after you had already seen it. So, because of when the episode had dropped. Honestly, though, it was, the movie is just so good that that it didn't even,

it really didn't even face me. I wasn't thinking about, isn't that, if that's not a review, I don't know what is. I wasn't thinking about my father that had just passed while watching this movie about grief. I didn't think about him once. Wow. And it's because the movie was that. I mean, I thought about him at that moment because that was in my head. I kind of laughed at myself.

But it is very upsetting. So this is another culty one. This is also about children. Yes. Yes. And this is my problem. While MJ and I have both been screaming about how I do wish that all children performers could be replaced by a like can we use AI to do that so that we don't put you up with that again

I think it's because we're reading things like julia fox's book and I'm glad my mom died and I think that we're really starting to see more about that side of the world but um man the kid actors in this movie were unbelievable yeah it is so I am so jealous and envious, ravenous that my brother and Edward Larson got to interview the directors of Bring Her Back. I saw that. That's so cool. And they were so nice. And I guess I don't want to give anything about the movie away.

I was surprised that it wasn't. I guess it's an elevated holder. Yeah. And while also horrific at moments, it was way more, it was a horrifying drama. And it was another one of the, like, adding into that kind of world of a movie that I think that's why also thinking about hereditary. And also, Eddington is coming out soon, Ari Aster's Eddington, which I guess is having weird reviews. I think people

don't really understand it, but he's starting to get divisive and I'm watching it. I love it. I'm like, yeah, now you're getting the money. Make whatever weird shit you want. But Bring Her Back is really good. And it's Australian. Speaking of Australian.

Oh, my God. I received a box of snackies. Of insane Australian snackies from Kristen and Al. I'm so jealous, man. I got a fly to L.A. just to get some of these Australian snacks. You know, I love Australian Housewife Mysteries. I love Australian children's television show, Bluey, and I'm sure I'll love Australian wildlife. I really want to go to Australia. I really like everything I've ever

heard about Australia. And I'm actually very legitimately jealous of the Australian snacks. Yes, yes. Although I don't want to eat Vegemite. Sorry, Australians, Vegemite looks weird to me, but perhaps that's just me being close-minded, and I apologize. I think you could get into it. I feel like it's also one of those things, too, that it's like if you grew up with it, it's like not an issue. It's just a part of your palate. Yeah. And you know what? Lots of people think peanut butter is disgusting. And that's okay too. No, totally. And it's such a huge. I mean, again, I've read probably 20 Australian books and Vegemite is a big part of all of them. But also one of my good friends just had to go to Australia for three weeks. She's from Australia. She had to go back to Australia to deal with some. visa stuff. And I was just like, I was like, you know, she was sending videos of like being on a hike and a kangaroo just hops by. And I was like, I fucking love Australia. I'm not going to try them right now. Just because it's mid-show. So I'm going to try some at the end. But I just wanted to say, thank you so much, Kristen, now. And I send, give some boobs and snooze to Fred. Love this baby. I got a picture of a cute baby cat. And it makes me so. and a beautiful, beautiful owner. And I just want to say thank you so much for thinking of me and for sending me all of these snacks.

And baby, baby, baby, baby, I love an international snack. Ooh, I have a great segue. Ooh, yes. Now, from Australia to Austria. Very, whoa. Thank you. You have a clip you want to play me, and I'm so excited because apparently Arnold Schwarzenegger did something.

And I don't know what he did. I need to know. But he did. So the headline says Arnold Schwarzenegger dubbed weird and creepy for blunt reaction to Sun Patrick's White Lotus nude scene. So this was on, I think it was like on a variety, one of those where it's like actors and actors when the actors are being actors and they have actors. Wait, do we see Patrick's hog in White Lotus? Yeah. Oh, I forgot. I was thinking about Jason Isaac's hog, but I didn't remember Patrick's hog. Yeah, I mean, I was definitely way more thinking about Jason Isaacs. But yeah, if we could, I'd love to hear what Arnold has to say. I'm watching your show and I'm watching you with your butt sticking out there. And I was saying, I see the weenie. And I said, what is going on here?

I mean, this is crazy. And then I said and I said, well, Arnold, hello. You did the same thing in Conan and in Terminator and all of those films. You were naked, so don't complain about it. But it was kind of like a really, a shock to me that you would follow my footsteps that closely. I'm watching the show and I'm watching you with your butt sticking. With your butt sticking out.

And then, oh, I see your weenie. Oh, I see your weenie. That's not creepy. It's cute. What is the heart of people's problems? I thought it was kind of cute. I say your weenie. I see your weenie.

My, you know what? I, this is such a weird, stupid disconnect in my brain. I feel like in all the PR and everything, I kept seeing pictures of Patrick Schwarzenegger with Maria Shriver. And I kept being like, oh, it's Maria Shriver's kid. Oh, it's Maria Shriver's kid. And then in this interview, I was like, oh, yeah. It's also Arnold Schwarzenegger's side.

I don't know why in my head the NEPO was coming from Maria Shriver. I don't know. I'm like, why? Because she's a Kennedy? Yeah, I never think about her. I never think. I never thought about you, Maria Shriver. But I guess Arnold stopped a long time ago with you too.

But this was just a daddy and son actors talking about weenies. It's very cute. Anybody who has a problem with this, how do you propose an adult father? talks to his adult son, large adult son, about his son. Talk about a large adult son. Patrick Schwarzenegger is the ultimate large adult son.

This is like a Twitter joke. People are like, why is M. Day talking about this? I have so many Twitter jokes in my head from a decade ago that don't make sense anymore. But large adult son was a Twitter joke and that just that phrase just lives with me. But how else are you supposed to talk about it?

We also quote means that we're not happy with ourselves about. Yeah. I think that we all do that. that. Earlier today, I was comforting someone and I said, if Britney can make it through 2008, you can too. And then I was like, fuck am I? What am I a live, laugh, love painting? The fuck is wrong with me. Why did I say that? Someone is actively crying in my arms. What is talking about? Sometimes we go to the memes. Yeah, but it's, you know, yeah, it just pops out. I just, yeah, early on in White Lotus, Gideon was like, wow, Patrick Schwarzenegger looks so much like his

dad. And I was like, what? And I, like, strongly disagreed. And then slowly, little by little, every time I see him, it's as if his face morphs more into looking exactly like Arnold Schwarzenegger. And it's actually very cute to see them talk with each other. Yes. Because I do think they have a very similar, you can see how genetics work, you know. Yes. Yes. Even in their mannerisms and like everything, the way that they're laugh, their smile. Actually, that's all I said. Everybody creeped out yet. What was he supposed to say? What was he supposed to say? Yuck. Oh, no, a penis. Oh, yuck, I'd never seen a penis before.

Yeah, I mean, I guess the least creepy thing would be to not talk about it, but that would also be weird. If I did a nude scene and my parents were like, let's never discuss it. With your famous parent, like this is. Who had also done it. This is such a cute conversation. Why does everybody take everything so, ah, everybody relax. This is so cute.

He says at first I was a little weirded out. I saw your, your. You bought and your weenie. It's so cute that he It would not be better If he said penis, it would be worse. It's much better than he says weenie. I think it's much funnier that he says weenie.

Much funnier, much funnier. Because I also feel like weenie is a funny choice of a word. So funny. Stammered and said like, you're the da, ah, your back. Becca.

Like, what is he supposed to say? No better word choice than weenie. And then for him to be like, yeah, at first I was a little shocked and then I realized I had done this too several times. Like that's so sweet. What a nice father-son moment. I think it's cute. That's what the headline should be.

Yes. Lovely father-son moment. I think it's nice. I think that it's nice that they had a connection. And also to see that they, it does seem like that's the kind of chemistry and relationship of, oh, they do interact with each other. Oh, they're not just like living separate lives. Like, oh, they are, it's not like, you know what I mean? I do.

Sometimes you can feel like estrangement in a family. With nepo babies, especially. Yeah. And honestly, I got no abundant love for Arnold Schwarzenegger. That's the most fond I've felt of him in quite a while. So it's just a nice, it's nice, it's a nice little convo. And I'm so glad you played that for me because I am definitely going to be saying, I saw your little weenie for quite a time.

Probably a decade, given how I'm a little wienie. I'm still saying Twitter jokes from a decade ago. So thank you. Just hang it on the shelf. Yeah. It's going to get dusty eventually, but it ain't dusty today, babe. Man, and you know what else is not dusty? This new show, adults.

So I started, you know, I kept seeing all the ads for this new sitcom adults. It is on Hulu. It is a Nick Kroll produced sitcom. Because I keep seeing it whilst I'm watching Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Yes. Which we also have to talk about today. Yes, we do. Yes, we do.

Now on adults, I was like, all right, let's just see. Oh, is it going to be like, well, it's updated friends. You know what I mean? Right. And it's very well done. Yeah. It's a very, it is very well cast. It is very well written.

It is very well edited. It is fun, 20 minute long episodes of, it is just about beat, but it's a bunch of 20-somethings that all live in a house out in Queens because one of the guys' parents own the house, so they all live their rent-free. And honestly, at the end of the first episode, this, I mean, goes to show where my brain has been recently. But at the end of the first episode, I looked at Jeff, and he's like, are you crying? I'm crying? Because I don't know if I've ever seen a piece of media before that made me miss a snapshot in time. Really?

Like a time in my life when you would come home and there would be like mid-party and you're just like, like you had a bad day and you're like, well, fuck it. And you just like open up the vodka bottle and take a fucking swig and enter into the party. Yeah. Those days of the time when there was no stability, there was no, like there were, you know, Obviously, there were big things that could have fucked up, but you didn't really feel that way. Again, you know, youth being wasted on the young. But was it?

Like, I feel like our youth was not wasted on us because I feel like. Oh, no. We lived it to the fullest. We lived it to the fullest. And that's what this show is a more recent version of that. That's great. And honestly, it's just well done. It's just.

There, it is very, like, it's making jokes that are, are edgy. It is, it's not groundbreaking. I am not, like, I'm not likening this to the rehearsal, you know? But it's just really enjoyable. It's just fun. It's just a good little, it's just a good show, and I hope it gets picked up again, because I really like the characters, and I immediately liked them. I immediately was like, oh, I would, I could see myself hanging out with these people.

Yeah, which is hard to do in a pilot for sure. But then it did make me have to like undergo the like discussion of like, I don't miss those time periods. Right. Like I don't want to be back there. I mean, I miss them and I don't want to be back there. You know, I've been thinking about this a little bit because I'm going back for my college reunion this weekend. Oh my God. You might be saying, didn't you just go to your high school reunion and how does that work with time?

And it's not my college reunion. It's my friends college reunion that are in a different year and I'm crashing it. and it's going to be awesome. And I'm sure I'm going to have an existential crisis about it. But in a good way. But because, yes, I also, you just describing that, like, getting home, I often reflect back on my time when I was younger. And sometimes I'm still in touch with a friend who was my roommate when I lived in Ridgewood. And I was like, she was younger than me, but she just, like, always had her life together much more.

And I often reflect on what I was not a great roommate. I was not a great roommate to several people. If you're listening, you guys, I'm so sorry. Love you, Madeline. But Madeline and Eddie lived in Ridgewood at the same time as I live in Ridgewood. And often if I would get out of the subway, and it was 10, 11 at night. And I would, you know, just hit up Eddie. Do you want to smoke or whatever?

So I would go to Eddie's or Eddie would come to mind. But Eddie has such a loud laugh, as everybody knows. Oh, yeah. And Eddie would come and hang out in the living room with me and we would smoke and chat and laugh and laugh and laugh. And we would laugh till midnight one in the morning. was a Ridgewood apartment, which is like a tiny two-bedroom railroad. And I was like, we're in the living room. My roommate's in her bedroom. No problem. There was no sound. I think, this is like one memory that like haunts me because I wouldn't change. I had a great time with Eddie. And I'm still

in touch with his friend. So obviously I wasn't a bad enough roommate that she stopped being my friend. But I'm just like, this, it's such a, it's only a way that like I would never think that way now, you know, like I'm hyper aware of the noise that I'm making and like the space I'm taking up. But at the time, I was just like, who cares? Who cares? Who cares? We're in New York. We're young.

It's midnight. Eddie and I are loudly scream laughing and smoke in a joint. Like, what's the big deal? Yeah. Get over it. Yeah. It's like, but it's just one of those things that made perfect sense in that context. And I could never imagine doing it again, you know?

No, dude. I still think you just brought this up, but I remember when Holden used to live with our friend Kep, who had debilitating asthma. and we would smoke cigarettes in Holden's bedroom. But it was fine. We were kind of blown out the window. And it's fine. We're in Holden's bedroom. Yeah.

And yeah, it's like, sure, his bedroom is right next door. But like, and yeah, maybe like Aswan doesn't work that way. But, yeah, maybe he had to go to the hospital a couple times. But, like, it's fine. And we blew the smoke out of the window. It's fine. I wasn't my best. for a long time. And so I don't miss the, like, I'm glad I would never do something like that now.

I would, that's, yeah, I miss it. I miss how intense everything felt and how high the highs were. I don't miss how low the lows were, but I do miss how high the highs were. And I miss that every single minute of the day was, I mean, we worked. We all had jobs and we were also in school until we were working hard. Always busy. Always busy. Always busy. But also it was like every, I just, like lived to like I had this real view that I should like optimize my living experience and that every day was to be seized in a way that I don't view today now, you know, like. We thought, no. Oh yeah.

This is not. You have like a new like newsies moment every other 15 minutes. We're going to go out there and go take life by the horns. I'm not like it's 1130. I could still hang out for a little bit. Oh yeah. You know, instead I'm like it's 8.15. Can I be done?

MJ, I was at choir last night at 9.30, and I yawned and I looked at my friend. I was like, oh my God, we're out so late. 9.30 at choir, MJ. That's late for choir. That's late for choir. It's late for choir. I'm just saying it's late for choir. But I understand.

But then, yeah, that is why I shed a tear. Yeah. When I watch the, like, the nice, fun, silly blip show, it made me cry. But isn't that nice? Oh, man, I should watch it. I should watch it on the way to my college reunion. And I'll cry. Please.

Well, you know what my best friends are not like is the bitches from Secret Lives of Mormon wives. Are you sure they're not? Are you sure have you asked them if your mom talk will survive this? Dude, the revelation that one of them like lost her husband in a terrible accident and then continues to be part of this. group of bitches obsessing about petty things. I'm just like, Macy, save yourself.

You've always been the nicest one. You've always seemed like a real human being amongst a valley of horror dolls. And she's just so beautiful. She's the most beautiful. She's the one that I feel like I always could tell and I don't know if it's just because I want to kiss her. But the other ones I don't want to kiss.

I just want to kiss that one. Yeah. I got to say I do have a soft spot for Taylor. the the the the I do I if I'm going to choose a villain I'm going to choose Taylor you know like obviously team Taylor yeah even though horrible horrible I mean also just you know I and talk about I certainly putting your children on social media I follow her on Instagram and I'm like you've got to stop I actually stopped following her because it made me so uncomfortable I just like even like when we were like fun following hilarious like I had to stop that like any place that's used

the kids. Like, I can't. I just can't look at it. Yeah, I'm gonna unfollow her too. Because it's like, she'll post, like, yesterday. She, like, posted her baby's face to be like, even though it didn't work out with the man, it's all worth it for him, you know? And I'm like, you have to stop.

Yeah. You can't, your kid doesn't want to see this. Yeah, like, while she cries. Yeah, this is, right. This is about your kid's dad. Like, can you, like, I know the show is now your job. And so. And I know.

And also, I'm not trying to say this is in a high, mighty place that I don't follow them anymore. because I'm still watching the shows. Like, I'm still doing. I'm watching the show and I'm yes, am I feeling complicit in something evil? Yes, I have. Of course we are.

You know, we are. We definitely are. We shouldn't be watching it, but we are. Because all those shots of them all walking in a line together looking hot. Oh, yes. These directors, these producers, these editors, they know how to make those women look great. Yeah, man.

And they are also, can we talk about the scene where an adult, talk about large adult son, Taylor's mommy goes to a party to yell at Demi for being mean to her large adult daughter. Okay, yes, and? De Me also being a full grown adult and speaking to someone's mother that way. This is the thing there's no heroes.

You should not talk to someone's mother that way. No heroes, but also that bitch shouldn't have shown up and fucking done that. But also, you don't speak to somebody's mother. Like, I feel like no matter. And maybe that is an old school thought. I know that it is different if someone's coming at you. Yeah.

But I feel like... Leanne wasn't coming at to me. I mean, she was. She was coming at to me like a mother. In a passive aggressive way. Like, why are you making my daughter so sad? But to me made it an aggressive, aggressive way. And she is, albeit, when I can figure out which one, now that she's the villain, I remember who she is.

Yeah, yeah. She is stunning, you know. She's the hottest. I think she's the hottest. She's also, yeah, but she's just, oh, but you can't. Oh, I bet, I better lips feel like rocks. They're taking her down to the bottom of the ocean, those lips. I don't, you know, I know that she's trying to be a villain, and I know she's trying to make more money.

Yeah. We all see what she's doing. And that's the thing. I'm like, get your cheddar girl. Like, you're purposely giving yourself a villain at it because you want to get that money. Although, repentant Whitney all season, Whitney is just like, Can't wait. Dog house bitch. Dog house bitch, but also...

I have going... That dog is buppy, puppy, bobby, bummer dog. Trying to be like, I have never had a problem. She is skillful. That's the thing. Wow. Evil. To remember how bad she was, but I do remember that she was like a full-on villain.

But then in season two, it is admirable, like how she's like, I'm just, oh, how could I ever take a side? I'm just trying to win everybody's trust back. And then you see her in a one-on-one conversation. And she's still trying to be nice. But she is the perfect bitch who can pretend to be nice while still being a bitch. Like, there's a range. The bitch who doesn't pretend to be nice all the way to the bitch who does pretend to be nice.

Women contain multitudes. They do. And I think I need these shows in my life because I had such that horrible rhetoric in my brain for so long that I didn't like women. and then I realize I'm not like the other girls. I'm not like the other girls that I'm just like no I love women but I also love

this side of I do love it because I'm terrified of it. It's that side of being a woman that I've never quite gotten a good grasp on I feel like even though

I think it's just because it scares me but it also titillates me. It's so titillating. It's so titillating. titillating of just like, oh yeah, oh my God, yeah, I keep screaming. But I wouldn't want to actually deal with that in my real life. But I love, it's just I love hate watching it. Yeah.

It fulfills me in such a way. You know, it's why I love watching 90 Day Hunt for Love. It's why Polly family is really just, I don't know if you're caught up. But man, we should talk a little bit about Polly. I just, I care with this human being. Yeah, yeah. Well, and did you see he caught some gaitians? Caught gaitions.

Let me, let me bring it up just so that I'm not speaking out of, well, is anyone surprised? All right, Sean from the Polly family. I can't just search gations. I hate that we can't search gations. Can we change the, change the vernacular at this point? Can we just write Sean, Polly family, gations, and Google knows exactly what we're saying? Here's the only thing about this, and I did see this in the page seven Facebook group, so thank you, page seven fans. The only thing about this is that I can't find a source other than this website, the ashley's reality roundup.com.

And I'm not saying that's not a credible source. I am also looking at the Ashley's Reality Roundup.com. Sean Artless of TLC's Polly Flimmy exposed for allegedly having multiple ex-wives and at least three other biological children. Okay, so it's like gations. It's, well, the kids have the other, the kids have gations against him. Bad gait. We're talking about the worst type of gaitions. No. Oh, oh, this isn't laughabouts gations. Yeah. No, I thought I, no, unfortunately it's not, it's not the, it's not the, the romp kind of gations. It's the worst kind of gations, which this, this, this Ashley's Reality Roundup story links to a starkasm.net story. So again,

I just want to point out that I'm not sure. the credibility of these sources, but perhaps more credible news outlets aren't using their resources to investigate Polly family. Why not? I don't know. I am worried about getting poo craved here. I don't know if I trust the Ashley's Reality Roundup.com. I don't know. And nor do I know if I trust sarcasm.net. So I just don't know. So I just want to put that out there. Wow, but the Ashley's Reality Roundup has a whole tab on sister wives. I've, oh my God, someone else watches sister wives and actively is posting about sister wives. The subhead of the Ashley's reality roundup is news and snark about your favorite reality shows.

These are the ones no one is watching. These are the ones only you and I are watching. They're breaking news. But you know, here's the thing, whether or not these websites, let's point out how these websites have names from websites from the 90s. I don't even know websites like this still existed. I love that this exists. Whether or not the gations are real, like meaning I'm not doubting the, if there are allegations, I am not doubting them. I'm just questioning the reporting. The validity of the source. Yeah.

We just wish. But in any case, even just taking the evidence that is in front of us, I really think that Sean needs to leave the polycule. I think that he is toxic. He's toxic. I think that he doesn't. well, I think that he Like neither one

The wife nor the girlfriend Want him. They don't want him there. And I think he likes his wife But he doesn't like his girlfriend. No. And the girlfriend doesn't like him either. Girlfriend doesn't like him either.

So why be in a polycule If you only like your wife? Right. And no one else in the polycule. That's called a marriage. You just have a marriage with one person, the one you like. You know, but she's hot and she's hotter than him.

And so I think she wants to fuck around And I wonder if that's how this. And he's like, okay, I guess I get to fuck somebody else. But he's like, I think he feels like he's settling. for his girlfriend. And she's not. She's great. Oh, she's great.

She's lovely. So, and then so I'm like, it should be just the big-eyed guy with the two ladies. And then I'm like, and then I'm like, maybe it shouldn't be a polycule at all. Maybe it should just be the big-eyed guy and his leggy wife. You know, I just. And then Taya goes and finds a woman who she can be happy with. Now the families are enmeshed. It's like, it's not that he, like, they can't, he can't just leave the polycule because they're, yeah.

There are children involved. And it is bringing up interesting. Like, I do think that it's a shame that they are such a horrible family because, or that he is so horrible and thus casts a shadow over the whole family. Because I do think it's bringing up interesting questions about like you can't have three parents having legal custody. And that is a way that, you know, the polyamorous families are, do have a systemic, you know, problem as to some discrimination. And I like following that. I want to hear more about. that and like what you know ways in which that we can help families be able to you know be able to

like properly according to the laws right be able to protect each other and so you know I I find it it means one of the things about polyamory that I find so fascinating yeah is that you know it's just this like there's so many antiquated laws that are so like oh I would nivel you know like clutching at your pearls and when the definition of what a family can be has changed so drastically since these laws have been

written and it's you know things like and it's part of honestly like what sister wives did of trying to change laws and that was part of how the show began was helping them to gain steam to change laws

to help their family and I try this is Polly family again despite that's being a very objectionable family. I do try to notice, I think I said this last time we talked about it, but I try to notice what's coming up for me when I watch it because I think I do have a little bit of a reactive, like, you know, do three parents need to be on the birth certificate? Is there a reason why we don't have three parents on the birth certificate?

And then I'm sure many. And also please let us know. I'm sure there are. And I'm sure we have poly listeners and I would love to hear your guys as thoughts on that because I do want to interrogate those thoughts. I know that those are heteronorbative thoughts I'm having about like that are that are like, why do I trust the existing system like as it is? I don't trust any systems as they are.

Like, of course these systems should be questioned. Of course. We immediately think of the people that are going to abuse it. I think that's really what it's like, how can people abuse it and can that hurt kids more in the overall? Yeah. I think that it's like I imagine there's so much to this discourse. And that's, I think, why it's particularly harmful to have this family.

being this like representative of this issue about like you know multiple parents having custody because I don't think Sean should have custody of Taya and Big Eyeed guy or whatever her name is and Big Eyeed guys kids Alicia and Tyler um whatever. Tyler Tyler and Alicia. Like if something happened to Alicia and Tyler, I don't think Sean should get those kids. But that's because I don't trust him. I don't trust him. He's a badman. I don't trust him. I don't trust him. I don't trust him.

And but, but, but it's their family. And ultimately it's not my choice. And if that's what they want, I guess. But you know what I mean? Yes. I understand. But that doesn't mean that all families shouldn't be allowed that just because sure.

Exactly. Exactly. And I do understand some people hitting us up about the rhetoric that like it is showing a bad polycule. It is bad for poly people because it's making it look dysfunctional when it's not inherently dysfunctional. And I really appreciate hearing from poly listeners about that because I do. this is it's like not something I don't totally and it's and I and I like I say I'm trying to notice

what's coming up for me I try to notice like where I might be like less or like where I might where I'm noticing like my that I might tend more towards closed mindedness than open mindedness you know especially when it comes to like changing custody systems because again why would I why would I be closed minded about that like the way that like family court and like there's all sorts of better more supportive more open ways that things should be changed, right? And so it is just, it is bringing up a lot of interesting things. And I am very grateful to our Polly listeners for talking about those things with us in a way that is like, you know, helping me notice my preconceived thoughts and challenge them as I go, despite hating

Sean. Yeah, but it's like, do you choose Sean or do you choose Zach Affleck from Secret Lives of Mormon wives, which he is just, wow, little nightmare nugget, isn't he? He is a nightmare nugget. I am so disturbed by the way that Secret Lives and Mormon Wives and has more. Dealt with Jen? Dealt with Jen in every way that we went from season one very abundantly clear. And yes, these shows are edited, staged, whatever, but abundantly clear. Oh, ouch.

Whoa. Abundantly clear representation of what was what seemed to be a pretty abusive relationship. And then in season two, literally it's just like, well, actually maybe she's a liar. And Zach is trying really hard. Yeah. Zach is trying really hard. And he's actually pretty fun. And I'm like, I am shocked that everyone's just pretending that we didn't see him send berating abusive text messages.

Yeah, about how he didn't love her anymore. she went to a Chippendale. It's like, and all these, like, insulting her. Yeah, like calling her disgusting, like, all the, and then it's just, and now, how dare he be like, yeah, well, she tricked me to have another baby. She took you the idea out. And like, all, okay. Let's say this did happen.

Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about this? They both went on, and this is weird context because, you know, I know that there's, it's a problem for us to be looking in and commenting on some. else's marriage is. I'd actually don't, whatever they're doing in their marriage is fine. I think that the problem for the public is that the show was like, look at this abusive relationship season one. And then season two is, look at this fun husband. Wow. Look at him trying.

And so they are now both doing a bit of a PR like rehabilitation tour of both of their marriage. Yeah. I think so that they can continue to, so that she can continue to like make money as an influencer because people are like, I don't know if we should be doing this. Yeah, but it got so aggressive about the Chippendales thing. And so they decided to make a Chippendale's joke when it's like, but this like didn't happen that long ago. Why are you doing this? You're going to do a joke that's going to trigger a man who's known for his rageful outbursts. Yeah. Yeah, that fun joke. Yeah. Which is why DeMeis is the villain regardless of whatever else she did because she did that. She better never make more money than the other girls.

Oh, I'm saying. Oh, she's like, oh, she's like, okay, me, baby. Get out of here. But then this clip, and you've probably seen the headline going around that he said Jen tricked him into getting pregnant. This is not about her current pregnancy, which is her third pregnancy. This is about the second pregnancy, which is a kid who's already born.

So, shouldn't say that about anybody. Keep talking about your own kids. I think this is good. Yeah. Spread all the, you know, the inside thoughts you have about your marriage and all that so that your kids and, like, go keep showing. and your wife crying about how she wishes she weren't pregnant, but then like that kid can see it something.

You know what? Yeah. Man, it makes great television, huh? And they did this interview together. And we're evil for watching it, MJ. We are evil. And he said, I'm shaming myself. We need to shame it with them.

I know. We need to publicly flog. I know. I'm flogging myself right now. Okay. To our credit, I think that season one was less shameful than season two because the abuse, abusive relationship just unfolded in season one.

And I didn't know that going into season two that they were going to like make it up, make it a plot and like try to build on it and whatever. And now do it our tour about it. So he said this. They were on a podcast together. He said she tricked me. She took out her IUD without telling me.

And then she said, whoopsies. And so, and then everyone's trying to be like, see, how could she be abused? She's a bit of a bitch too. And it's like, no, no, no, that's not how he can still. It's not how it works. It's still wrong for him to have berated her and called her disgusting, even if she's like a bit of a sassy bitch sometimes to her friends. Even if she was being disgusting, MJ. Going to a male review. I don't know. Yeah. It does. Unfortunately, we have crossed over the line with Secret Lives and Mormon Wives where I do feel like I'm being complicit in something actively harmful. And I don't like that feeling, but I'm still.

Polly family, same thing. But I'm watching it. I'm watching it. But then there are other things that I'm watching and smiling about. And that has got to be Timothay, Shamma Dingdong, and old Kylie Jenner. And, man, they're putting a smile on the Internet's face. I know. I hate this. I hate that she did something that I liked.

Kylie Jenner reposted the meme. It's because I'm a sucker for anything sex in the city. Anybody can do anything that references sex in the city and I'll be happy. And so, no, I'm not endorsing the Kardashians and the Jenner's, okay? I don't like them and they are evil, yes. Why do you love them so much, MJ? She just stand for Kim. Yeah.

She did repost the meme of Samantha saying that she doesn't get laid unless the Knicks win. And it's fun because everybody's seeing all the pictures of Timothy on the court. Sorry, Knicks RIP season, basketball season 2025. I'm sorry for your city's loss, MJ. And, you know, I don't care, but I did watch that game with a lifelong Knicks fan, New Yorker. Oh, the heartbreak. He was, you watched it live, huh? Very upset, yeah.

I'm very sorry for their loss. Yeah. But excited for the Mets? Spurs. Oh, the Indiana Pacers. Oh, the Pacers. Oh, yes, good for them. But I just named a different New York City sports team.

I don't know. Yeah, well, also, yeah, good. Go, go Mets. We don't read for the Yankees. We don't. We do say that. We do say that. Yeah.

Oh, my, yeah, my father was a man. Yeah. One of those, I guess. But, yeah, so Kylie Jenner is not getting laid, was not getting laid unless the next win. So we know that she didn't get laid last Saturday night. And it was sweet that she reposted a sex in the city mean, but that's where my appreciation for her starts and stops. That's where it ends. Whoa, MJ, not given an inch.

And wait, was she the one who posted her boob job information or was that Kendall? Okay. No, that was, Kylie. Yeah, I like to see. I like her, guys. It's okay. I still don't like the Kardashians. I just keep seeing these memes that are talking about.

Like, I've seen multiple memes comparing pictures specifically of Kylie Jenner at Nick's game or like at basketball games with past partners. Oh, yeah. And has shown how disinterested she has always been and how checked out she's always been. And then comparatively to the pictures of her and Timothy Shamelam and Ding Dong. and they just both glow. Maybe that's a testament to the New York Knicks, not a testament to Timothy Shal-Aid. You think so, it's the Nix and not to Timothy Ska.

Because I also keep seeing these memes. I saw something this morning that was like comparing the drip of Timothy to like 2006 Justin Timberlake and like going through. But like like an elevated, speaking of elevated, an elevated version of JT back then. Yeah, I could see. Elevated JT. I do find Timothy very endearing, and if I was rich... I just think he's so cute. I think it's like a rich person thing he's doing that doesn't annoy me.

He yell at me all you want, very hypocritical of me. Yes, I contain hypocrisies. I think that it's kind of fun that he was flying back and forth between Indianapolis and New York City to watch the games live. And then to leave and then to watch the game. I hope he wasn't taking a private jet. Do you think he was? Worski was.

He was. I don't think there was any way. that I don't like it. He wasn't taking a peach. Okay. Call me Holden McNeely. I'm not going to support private jet abuse. But for the Knicks.

For the Knicks. He's a New York boy. He's a New Yorker. I just really like watching live basketball and I've always wanted to be rich enough to have a court side seat at basketball now. Don't you get scared. You're going to get hit with the ball. No, I don't care.

And mind you, basketball is a sport that I always enjoy watching and never make a point of watching. So I'm all every year, I'm like, oh shit, it's the playoffs. Like every year, I'm like, next year is going to be the year I watch basketball because I really enjoy watching it. But that's, I like that about him. I realize how my brain is, you know, I'm not like the other girls. My problem with basketball sometimes is I can't stop hearing the squeaking. And I hear so much of the squeaking of the shoes that it like takes away that I'm just like, oh my God, is no one else just like, squeak, like it's all squeak. How do they, how it's like everybody likes the squeak?

They're encouraging the squeak. Never once have I even noticed this week. I've got a brain problem, MJ. That's the ADHD brain, I think. I don't know what it is. It's one of the whatever is going on in there. But, you know, it doesn't, like, stop me from watching basketball, but I'm also not, you know, a ballhead.

Yeah. Surprise. I'm not a ballhead either. But if I was rich, I would want courtside tickets to probably the New York Nets, not the New York NICs, but I, so I, I take it back. He shouldn't be taking a private check back and forth. But I just think that rich people using their money to sit court side of basketball games is something I like. I think it's fun. I understand. See, I feel that way, but about hockey. Like, I feel like I would love to

be just like right there and they're like slamming up against the fucking, whoa! You like the wall separating you. Yeah. Yeah, I need the, I need a wall. Yeah. I need a wall. I've got anxiety. Uh, I am withering away, MJ, moment by moment. the anxiety just chip, chip, chip, chips away at my happiness. Take a chance. Take a day. And break away. I need my scarves. I go nowhere without my scars. And if I start becoming that person where I start emphasizing things that I say, like throwing a scarf into the air, I think that I'm going to lose a lot of friends, but I also feel like I'm going to gain a lot of mistrust. And I think that's good. I can't wait to hear more updates on choir.

We're going to have to unfortunately wait till next week's second helpings because choir is on Tuesday night. On Tuesdays. And we record page seven on Tuesdays. But I can't wait. I just can't wait. There will be an update. You are going to get an update. And thank you everybody for joining us on this week's episode of Second Helpings.

I hope you all full up. I hope that you got a little bit extra. and I hope that the gravy don't come sputting at you nose this time. I just disgusted myself. So I guess that means the show is over, and my name is Jackie Zabrowski. You can follow me on Instagram of Jack That Worm. And I am going to try.

I need to try at least one of these snackies, but also, Kristen, I know that I'm going to look out for an email from you because you said that you've got some instructions. But I need to at least try because I am curious, just right on top of this little snacky. It's called a... Try what. Are we talking...

It's a cherry ripe. And it says, delicious cherries and coconut and rich dark chocolate. And that sounds like it's right up my fucking alley. Cherry's coconut and dark chocolate sounds great. I'm going to open this up at MJ. Where can we find the Patreon? All right.

So you can find our Patreon at patreon.com slash page 7 podcast. We just finished Jeanette McCurdy's. I'm glad my mom died for celebrities. We are going to next be reading choice number two after that from our poll because we need something that we don't care about emotionally. We will be reading Prince Harry's Spare. We want to hear about the torture. But he's weenie.

What is weenie? I saw your boss. I saw your butt on your weenie. And so we're going to be doing that for celebrities. And you might be saying we don't care about that book. We might be saying us either. But we need a break from all the devastation. That's what we need.

We need that. And also, cherry ripes, fuck, dude. Good? They are very, very, very good. Ooh, yeah. Yeah. But I also, I'm a slut for coconut. I love coconut.

I'm a coconut. I'm a coca slut. Okay, slunt. Thank you, Kristen. Thank you, Kristen. So that's our Patreon. We also, of course, have our Buffy Watch along. At the $10 tier, you've got Jackie's book.

at the $5 tier. And Jackie is reading these Suki Stackhouse books right now, dead until dark. Oh, baby. And you can email us at page 7podcast at gmail.com. We love hearing from you. Thank you guys so much for listening. And we will be back next week. We love y'all.

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