Page 7 - Second Helpings - Look At It And Cry

Episode Date: April 3, 2026

This week on Second Helpings we're all celebratin' as Celine Dion is comin' back to us now (but sans the ghost implications) with the announcement of a new Paris tour! Kathie Lee Gifford says the golden years are more of a grey epoch, but that's not stoppin' her from cranking out non-fiction bible books! Up next is some SLOMW chat, including the male casts members making their own surveillance state, Jen Shah did an interview straight outta prison and includes a very lengthy non-apology for destroying elderly lives, Jackie went to see "Ready or Not 2" and Sarah Michelle Gellar is great, Jackie and MJ ask the zoomer listeners if they care about Matthew Lillard, and Selena Gomez is makin' ice cream with a nod to her dirty footed beau, Jeopardy disappoints with a special YouTube series, plus even more in this scoop o' Second Helpings! Happy Springsgiving to all! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

it will. You know it will because Celine Dion is out here giving us the greatest gift we could ever ask for. Yes, I did mean to bring up Celine Dion because of course every headline about her doing some shows does include her

diagnosis. Stiff person syndrome, yes. And Holden's not here to start screaming about, you know, the ladies being stiff. And you know, you can just think of where he goes every time I bring Slead Dion up on Jackin every Friday.

Yeah. When I saw the headline and her disease is called stiff person's disease, I was like, I thought it's called stiff woman's disease. And that's Holden's fault. It's because that's what Holden's fault calls it. But Jackie, go to Google and Google Celine Dion right now. And I hate to be one of those people who celebrates Google. But I just need you to also experience what happens if you Google Celine Dion right now. Yes. Welcome back, Saline.

There's a little balloon. Welcome back. She was a wonderful little bit welcoming her back. And I reluctantly praise you, Google. She's announcing a Paris comeback to her after her stiff person syndrome. And I'm so happy for her. She was so stiff for so long. Does the stiff person syndrome go away?

No. Does it get worse? Yeah. Probably. Oh, yeah. Those things tend to. Man, don't watch the doc or do. If you're curious about stiff person's syndrome,

definitely watch the doc that she did. It is very upsetting. Your body is a cage. She's a cage. She's living in a cage. And it's very upsetting, especially when you think because, you know, the lungs and everything around your chest,

like all those muscles have to move when you sing. So I am so personally, proud of her. Yeah, I've got the ability to give her my pride. I am proud of her that she must have worked so diligently to be able to get to a place because she was saying in the dock, it's not that I can't sing. It's that I can't sing the way I sing. Oh, oh my God. This must mean that she is at a place that she is working towards and working and getting better. And that makes me so happy for her. Wow.

Yeah, that is, I know I should watch the doc. And I know that this is, we always say it's not a funny disease. It's just a funny name. I really feel like they need to rebrand a stiff person syndrome to make it sound as devastating as it is and less slightly funny. But that, yeah, I also. But it explains what it is. It does explain. Yeah, maybe that's good.

Maybe it's good. Maybe the straightforwardness of it is good. I just, I've always loved Celine Dion, obviously. But ever since realizing that in her Instagram videos that she's very, very, very funny. God, she's so funny. I'm in a Renaissance. I'm in a Dionysance. Oh, yes.

Welcome, welcome, welcome. She is genuinely, she's way not as stick up the ass as you would expect. Exactly. Beyond to be. That's the thing. It's just her accent and her music and how she looks makes you think she's going to be so self-serious. Severe. Severe.

Yes. Like she's severely beautiful, you know, and severely talented. And so I just expected her to be like an artist. And then when I saw her be hilarious, I was like, Celina, I've misjudged you this entire time. Yo, you should watch her as a mother. My God. because she really is like her boys in the dock. They're teenagers, so it's very much like they,

but you can tell that she is, she loves them desperately. Oh my God, I can't. She loves those boys so much. And like the way that she just like, will like play with their hair when she's talking to them. And, and, but there's still like teenage boys. So she's like, being like, oh yeah, of course.

You don't want to talk to your mother. Oh, you don't want to be like all of that. And that angle of. of Sleen Dion melts me, melts me, melts me, melts me. I'm just seeing her as a mom. And she's always been very a part of her kids' lives. Wow. And, I mean, but also, you know, she was groomed,

but she really did love her husband. Just all the story of Sleadiondiawn makes me so... Her heart will go on. I know. I know. And I was like, is it too embarrassing to say that I fell in love with Celine Dion because of the Titanic soundtrack.

But I don't think that's embarrassing. I think that's just generational. Yes. Like that's when we learned about her. And then I went back and I learned about what came before. And I learned about what came after. See, mine specifically was it's all coming back to me now because that music video played all the time on MTV and it was on pop-up video all the time.

And I wanted to be Celine Dion in the video, even though Jackie, you watch it. He dies. And he dies, he dies. And that's what the song is about. It's actually very sad. So then I realized later on. It's about he dies. Is that a breakup song?

I mean, yeah, he's a ghost. He's a ghost in a motorcycle. Oh. It's all coming back. I know this song. I'm going to sing it for you. The moment's so cold and there were flashes of light. I mean, the song is flawless.

No, he's dead. Yes. I thought it was a breakup song. No, dude. Good Christ. Nah, dude, it's sadder than that. What a time for her. 1996, it's all coming back to me now, and my art will go on 1997.

That was really the deonisance. That was deonisance number uno. To be fair, if you listen to the song, it does sound like more of a breakup, but in the music video, it is because it's like she's, when it's like, when you touch me like this, it's a ghost. It's a ghost. It's a fucking ghost. Because it's like, I started crying the instant that you left, like, broke up with me. And when he went and got a motorcycle accident on his motorcycle. Oh my Christ, I didn't need to know this.

Yeah, dude. Oh, my God. Yeah, dude. Being touched by a ghost. Now, give me that redux of touched by an angel and it's touched by a ghost, but it's a fuck show. I want to watch it. Give me some of that. Touched by a ghost and I liked it.

Maybe this is my. There you go, done. Have we, wait, is it canon, have we established? It's a canon on page seven that you want to say. sleep with a ghost. Is it because of the music video to It's all coming back to me now, or is it a different text? I think it's part of it. Wow. As I'm discussing this with you, I realize I think it's part of it. Wow. I really had no idea that it was a song about death. I'm, this changes everything. I listen, you made, it's a gothic romance, M.J. You made the

yacht rock and smooth grooves playlist in 2020 during the peak of the pandemic, which just happened to coincide with the most depressed I've ever been in my life. Oh, yeah. Coincidentally, not coincidentally. And you made that playlist. And on yacht rock and smooth grooves playlist was, it's all coming back to me. And not man in the mirror, man, the St. Elmo's Fire one. Oh, and St. Elmo's Fire.

St. Elmo's Fire. Say it almost fire. Yes. Man in motion. Man in motion. Thank you. Thank you. Those two songs, I honestly feel like you and putting those two songs on that

playlist like single-handedly are the reason I survived 2020. You're welcome. But if I had known that a talk coming back to me now was about someone dying, I wouldn't have survived. No. So I'm so glad. MJ would not have survived that. No, no, no.

Yeah, MJ was not going to survive this. But MJ can survive and finding out in 2006. That's fine. Thank God. And also the person that did write the song, I guess it was in comparison to Wuthering Heights. Like it was about like he was envisioning Heathclick digging up Kathy's corpse. Like that's where the vision of it came from. Wow. What a crossover. Did you ever see Wuthering Heights or did you let it? Yep. Let it come and go. I just let it go and let it go. It was just such a bad. time in my personal life to try to add in a fuck movie. It just wasn't, it just wasn't happening. You know, and sometimes you have to accept that it's just not going to happen. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I'm sorry, I should have asked, did you ever see Wuthering Heights? Thank you. Quotes. Thank you. You mean Emerald Fendell's version of it. Yes, no, I didn't. I did not get to see it. Yeah. But I am going to at some point. You'll go, you'll see it at some

and we can, I'll say it at some way we can throw for Jacob Allory, we can decide what we like and what we don't like. I know that I think we heard from a lot of people who saw it and did want to talk about it. So feel free to send us your weathering heights takes. Please, because I'm going to watch it the second I am able to stream it, I'm going to watch it. Yeah. And then Jeff, I'll be like, Jeff, not sad anymore. Sit your ass in that seat.

We're watching the GD movie. That's what I'm going to say. Say grief, done. you're over. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's right. It wasn't, it was an especially difficult time that you did not want to go.

It was a bad time. Didn't need to go Bronte yourself. Yeah, I didn't need, you know, like any kind of death in a movie was what I was trying to avoid. And then again, like I said last year,

you don't realize how much is about parent death until you are actively grieving a parent. And then you're like, everything is about parent death. Wow. Yeah. Or what your parents did to you. Wow.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is like 80% of American literature. Kind of crazy. Yeah. Turns out it really affects you. Crazy.

I know. All this talk about Celine Dion and aging, I was going to bring up Kathy Lee Gifford. Oh my God. It's so funny. It's so funny. This Kathy Lee Giverin story is so funny. She reveals that the promise of the Golden

years is a lie. It's a lie. It's a lie. Don't ever smile. Don't ever look at the wrinkles on your face and think, oh gosh, look at what I have overcome in my day. No, look at it with shame. Look at it and cry. Look at it and remember what you're losing actively every minute of every day as you get older. Yeah, she basically, Jackie told me about this last night while we were doing Buffy We weren't even, but like, I didn't even, hadn't even see the story. But it's just about Kathy Lee Gifford. She did an interview. And she was just like, getting older is horrible.

It's just, it's hard. Everything about life gets harder. Everything hurts. Everything is horrible. And everything you've ever done to your body catches up with you. And it is, I guess, a refreshing take, you know? Dick Van Dykes over here being like, it's, it's fun being this old. And Mr. Feeney just had a quote.

We were just talking about him. And he just had a quote. I think he just turned 99. And I think his quote was actually kind of morbid. He does look at it. I mean, remember him on Dense with the Stars when they wheeled him out? And we're just like, let's just dump him here. Yeah, yeah.

That was when I said he was too old to be in public and then was very worried. People would tell me that I was agest. But I think he, I think the news story I just saw about him this week was that he said, who wants to be 100? So it does seem that Mr. Feeney is wishing for death. which is, you know, fine. You have permission to do that as a 99-year-old. But here's the thing.

I believe Kathy Gifford, of course. I believe her that getting older is harder and painful and it sucks. She had hip surgery, all this stuff, right? Also, though, you and I used to watch a lot of Kathy Lee and Hoda when they were a little younger about 20 years ago. And if you've ever seen Kathy Lee speak, especially in a format like the Today Show where she's speaking exemplaraneously about her life and stuff. You knew that bitch was going to fight aging to the bitter end. She is just, she's just one of those people that's like, I won't do it.

I won't get old. So it does not surprise me that she is not aging gracefully because she doesn't want to do that. She wants to be drinking wine at 10 a.m. And, you know, gabbing. Yeah. And she's full of life. And so I'm not surprised to hear that she, but she's, but she's, She's writing books.

She's written 37 books. Yes. Can you imagine how bad those books are? I started looking into some of these books. The latest books she put out. So she writes biblical fiction, yes? And about like what could us, essentially, with the Bible. And the more I looked into it, the more I am a thousand percent convinced that she

has either paid someone to remove the bad reviews or they are paying someone to write the reviews. Really? It is one or the other because I think he was like one of the Bible books on Amazon had like a 4.8 out of five. And I was just like, really? Really? I don't know. Are you sure about that? I don't know if that's true or not. But maybe after you write 36 books, the 37th one is the one that hits. I don't know. Her quote about her new book, which is her most recent book is the second in her biblical nonfiction ancient evil slash living hope series. That's right. These are nonfiction. Excuse me, even though biblical non-fiction. I'm sorry. I've got a question.

A question for the class. I think that that doesn't exist. I think that that does not exist. That is a phrase I have never heard before, biblical nonfiction. She did. And here. Here's how she describes her work. That's why I said biblical fiction, because in my brain, there's no way biblical nonfiction can. It's, yeah, I can't, I don't, I'm struggling to fathom what it could mean. But she describes her work thusly. These are epic, epic stories, but in the Bible, they're black and white tales with no room for details. I'm an entertainer at heart, a filmmaker and a songwriter, to which I stopped and said, are you?

Are you? You're a filmmaker? Wait a second. A songwriter? Okay. I think you're just a gal about town, but maybe that's me being dismissive. So imagining the details is what I do. This is a fun project for me.

I learned so much. I love learning new things. I want to learn something new every day, which, you know, love that spirit for you, Kathy Lee and Hoda. Kathy Lee, just you, Kathy Lee. But why? Why are you writing biblical nonfiction? I'm shocked. What do you look at Jackie?

What are you learning? Sorry. I am looking up the songs that Kathy Lee Gifford has written. And there is a song called Only My Pillow Knows. Wow. And I'm going to say it, MJ, I don't want to know what Kathy Lee Gifford's pillow knows. I don't want to know. I don't know what she does with her pillow.

I don't want to ask. Yeah, I'm, I, okay, so Gifford became a born-again Christian at age 12. after watching a Billy Graham movie. Oh. Can you believe? Her ancestry is like Jewish and French and European. And she, Billy Graham converted her to a born-again Christian. What?

At age 12. To her credit, that never came up on the Today Show. And I can say that with certainty because I watched a lot of the Today Show. They kept the Christ out of the Today Show. I will tell you what. But wow, I had no idea. So that does explain it. Yes.

And she has, she's written 54 songs. Okay. All right. So she is a songwriter. You could recall yourself a songwriter. Yes. Well, yeah, I'm prolific music career. I don't know if I'd call her that, but unless are we, do we have any Kathy Lee like stands forever that feel differently?

Please let us know. I got to say, I'm looking at her Wikipedia right now. And I think that if this bitch wrote a memoir, I would read it. Oh, she's got multiple memoirs, MJ. Really? Kathy Lee? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, she's 37 books.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You think none of them are memoirs? Yeah, she's got one call just when I thought it dropped. What is it? Just when I thought I dropped my last egg. Oh, no. Life and other calamities. Oh, no.

There's that. See? You can read that if you need it. anxiety about aging from a young, from the start. Oh, yeah, there's also, I can't believe I said that. And then there's also, it's never too late. So you can read three of them, MJ, if you'd like. Okay, in 1986, she started a clothing brand that was sold at Walmart.

And then she learned, surprisingly, that the clothing brand was using sweatshop labor. From Walmart. And then she became... They made her choose weed or Walmart, and then she chose Walmart. Okay. And then it appears that she began like some like labor activism, where she started working with like a net, like the National Labor Rights Committee. The last National Labor Rights Committee reported the sweatshop labor,

but she started like working on like testifying about sweatshop labor. And she contacted federal authorities to investigate. the issue. She appeared with Bill Clinton at the White House to support initiatives to stop sweatshop labor. Kathy Lee Gifford, everybody. Oh my God. Wow. Good for her.

Yeah. I, I, wow. You know, I really thought I knew her. But I just knew a sliver of her. Just a sliver of her. And still, I would never read one of her memoirs. I don't think you could strap me to a chair and clockwork orange me into reading one of her memoirs. Yeah, that is, I think that the real project of a good memoir is what we learn from celebrities is you have to be like a pretty self-reflective person.

You have to be willing to like look at yourself and the mistakes you've made and the goods and bads of your life. And I don't think Kathy Lee Gifford is capable of doing that. So you're right. We probably should not read her memoir. Yeah, I don't think I really, I am happy that she worked towards sweatshawks. after she was used in the sweatshop. Yeah. And I'm happy about that.

She profited off the sweatshop labor and then she did something about it. Yep. And I don't think I'm going to be reading any of those books anytime soon. But I am going to continue to be watching some things. Now, MJ, did you get a chance in Secret Lives of Mormon Wives to get to the point when Jordan at one point, this moment is really has been exploding on the internet of him. talking about Demi, like, when he came in and was just like, and Demi is going to want, he's like, oh, she comes in. She sits with Mom Taka, dancing with the star.

Oh, but she can't be filming. Oh, but she can't be filming. And do it. Like, he had this, like, very, like, cunty moment on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Oh, yeah. That everybody hates Jordan so much. And that was, like, the one moment when people were like, I mean, he is right. That's Jesse's husband, right?

Yes, well, soon to be ex. Well, he loves the drama. This is the thing about dad talk. They're all like, oh, these ladies. And they are the messiest bitches of all of them. Jordan lives for drama. He lives for the drama and also Jordan. And he's like, yeah, me and my boys all follow each other's locations.

Do you, do you follow your friends locate? Like I. That was weird. What are you talking about? Yeah. Yeah, that was where he was talking to Jesse, because all Jordan and Jesse's relationship is on Secret Lives and Mormon Wives Season 4 is... Dishing. That's it.

Jordan's male friends confide in him. Why they keep doing it, no one knows. They confide in him. And then he immediately goes to his wife and tells her, even though he doesn't like her and she doesn't like him. But at least they can gossip together. And then, yeah, he's like, oh, I saw Dakota was at this person's apartment. And she's like, what? And he's like, yeah, me and all my...

male friends share our location with each other. And I really, I did want to put a pin in that and come back to it. It's a kind of homo social behavior that is almost endearing. Like, oh, I just need to know where my boys are at at all times. But it's also something about it is viscerally uncomfortable. I mean, I think that the track, I don't track any of my family members, but also I know many people track all of their family members and find great comfort in it. Yes. And enjoy it.

And I completely understand that as ever as long as everybody is consenting and everybody knows about it. I think it's great. Yeah, I'll probably track my, I always, I mean, go back and find me on tape so many times being like, I would never track my children. But you hear from a lot of teen parents that it's nice to be able to track them just to. I strapped an Apple watch to my mother just so I knew where she was in another state.

And I was like, going to keep it on. You're going to keep it on because you never bring your phone anywhere and you're going to keep this on and strapping it to you. And then I find out. And then I find out later on that she doesn't have it on. She's like a teenager leaving it at the hotel. I know. I'm like, put it on. I got it for you so you would put it on. Put it on. Yeah. Yeah. No, I, so I've, I have softened a little bit on the tracking. Just because I also feel like I hear of teenagers be like, I don't mind. And that way I don't have to text my parents when I get to my next destination. it's fine. You know, I'm not, I don't have anything to hide or whatever. But yeah, the idea of a group of male friends all tracking each other's locations is fascinating. And I've got to say that this is a unique behavior of Dad Talk. I don't think that this, I don't think there's groups of men out there doing this. I don't think so. And it's just, oh, God, all of Dad Talk is just such a cringe. I am so, I was happy to finish the season just so that I hope they take some kind of feedback.

from the amount of the internet that was like, got them off the screen! I don't give a fuck! And I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck about that. Yeah, I'm almost done. I'm in the middle of episode nine, and I was like really trying to finish before we recorded,

but I'm not quite there yet. But I am at the point where Taylor is really, really crashing out. But yeah, you know, the dad talk thing is sad, too, because as I'm talking about like big groups of male friends, male loneliness epidemic. A lot of men don't have a big group of friends. I love that my husband does. I like that he actively goes out on dates with men.

I like that he goes out with like Gara's husband. Like they go and they have like their fun boy hang tight. Like I love it. I like that they all actively hit each other up. Yes. And I think it's a beautiful, wonderful thing. Absolutely. I love a group of bros.

I love bros who love each other. It's totally great. And I think it's sad that Dad Talk is just full of such horrifically toxic men that they cannot possibly be a model for what like male friendship should look like. We heard from a bunch of listeners. We said that Jason McAlea seemed like a not-poisonous couple, even though they already broke it up. But apparently he started dating her when she was 16 and he was in his early 20s. Yeah, yep, yep, yep, yeah. But again, they are in this church.

that is a cult. And so they're, they, the reason their pests are all fucked up is because they are coming from a fucked up situation. And reminding us all that when they become, I forget what the phrase is. And, and thank you to our Patreon members that were, that were telling us this, of when they, like, essentially when the men come into fruition. The priesthood. They get the priesthood. The priesthood. And so at the age of 12, they already have agency over all of the, Women. Every woman. Every woman.

They have more status than all women put together. So it is, you know, that's part of the, you know, I don't want to use the word brainwashing, but I will. I do feel that that is, it's like they were told from a young age. Yeah. That they are the head. Yeah. They are in charge. Yeah.

No, there's really, the season four of Secret Lives and Mormon wives is so fascinating for so many reasons. But there's really, like, you know, we talked last week about how like most of them aren't even Mormon anymore. they're like all divorced. It really like dropped a bomb in these people's lives. But there's also these moments where you can see like emerging new consciousness from them. Like the conversation between Zach Affleck and Jen Affleck about domestic labor was so fascinating. Yes. You mentioned it last week about he was having a piss party because he was like, I have to take care of the babies, which is true.

But then there's literally a conversation where he's like, it almost seems as if one person in the marriage has to sacrifice their ambitions. to take care of the children. And for a long time it was you doing that. And now it's me doing that. And I'm like, yeah, buddy. Yeah, buddy. But he was whining about it. So I feel like this is balanced.

Like there wasn't this like, oh. And so I'm excited to be able to show up for you as a partner in this time period. There was not that. It was just, I mean like, this is hard. Yeah. And you did it. And now I have to do it. It's hard.

You. sacrificed everything for me. Now I'm sacrificing some time for you, and I don't like that. I hate that. I'm doing that. Meanwhile, I'm like, buddy, she's making so much more money than you would have her make, even as a doctor. And she's like, just be thankful

that for everything right now. And also, I'm so glad that Jen, I mean, leaving right after, for Dancing with the Stars right after you have a baby, would be incredibly hard. Oh my God. But it's so clear that both Jen and Whitney, but especially Jen, That, like, you know, this happened for me a little bit when we went on tour different.

But, like, I was like, oh, yeah. Like, I am a person on my own. Like, I, because you really do lose yourself to parenthood in those first, you know, when you're really, really in it. I'm sure. And she, Jen, obviously lost her entire sense of self. She has this shitty husband who is admittedly trying to be less shitty than he was in season one. And she has all these toxic friends.

I mean, barely. Barely. And she's so insecure. She's like kind of like has like some amongst the lower status people of mom talk. She's like emanating insecurity. But then she goes and does dancing with the stars. And it was so clear that she was like, oh yeah, I'm a person. And I was like so happy for her. But then yeah, of course it all just turns into like, well, what about my man dreams? You know. And it is. What about his man dreams, MJ? It's just fascinating to see people in real time like young. adults, they are adults, but like young people break out of these ways of thinking in real time. Like, I'm a man and I'm supporting the family. Like, yeah, buddy. Yeah. Yeah. Women have dreams too. And you know, you don't call it babysitting when they're yours, right? It's like, I have to babysit. That nothing drives me crazier than hearing the person that does not usually take care of the kids refer to having to watch their own children as babysitting, where I'm like, that's not, like, stop pretending like you're put out because you're babysitting,

quote unquote, when you're parenting, you're being a parent is what you're doing. Yeah. And also surely they have help. There's no way Zach F like his parenting. I mean, if he's, if he's, if he's parenting three under three with no help, then he has a right to feel insane for sure. And also, even if he has help, you know that's difficult. And you know they want their mother. You know they don't want him.

Like, we understand it's difficult. And she's gone for law. I mean, with two or two or was really perfect for me as a parent because we were gone for like three days, three or four days at a time once a month. And it was like I got to spend so much time with my kids. I was spending more time with my kids than I was when I was in grad school. Like I got to be there for them, pick them up, do everything. but then get like three or four days away, which is like, turns out that's the secret sauce when you're appearing.

It's the secret sauce. And that would be harder now, actually, that they're older. Like, it was just, it was a good time, you know, but so she's doing 14-hour days. She has a newborn baby. She's breastfeeding. Breastfeeding. I get on a mad to dancing with the stars with a chest full of milk. Oh, my God.

But, yeah. So I do, I'm not trying to give Zach Affleck any props, but three under three. I mean, two under two or two hundred. or one and a half, whatever I had nearly, again, see aforementioned 2020 depression. It was very difficult. And so I feel for that part. But I don't feel for any of the men for any other reason. And I'm just like, any other reason.

And I'm very. Except for the one that had trauma from the past, that one, Whitney's husband. We do know he had, he is coming. Conner's great. Yes. Connor's doing great. But I also am very worried about how Mom Talk is going to survive this. I'm worried about season five.

I'm worried about like, will this keep going? It's just destroyed all of them. Will Mom Talk survive this? And if it does, I am going to keep watching it. Also, speaking of that, sidebar, Jen Shaw also just today. Like, I haven't had the change. It literally just came out. Jen Shaw had an interview come out.

out. Yeah. After now, she's out of prison. It's a people exclusive. You know she's, I imagine she's going to be back on Real Housewives of Solic City, I would assume. She's out? That was quick.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Good behavior. She got good behavior. And it, I feel like if you, that's a big surprise. Commit that, like, and I know that it's not just elder fraud, but I know that there is. is elder fraud, like a part of it. And I do feel like that is a level of evil that should be vanquished.

And, yeah, I'm still going to watch her in the show. But yeah, what she did was truly, like, unlike, I thought Martha Stewart had done real crime. And it turns out it was totally a crock that Martha Stewart did any prison time. She hadn't done, like, crime, like white-collar crimes that hurt people. Jen Shaf for sure did crimes that hurt people, like really devastated people. She really... Okay, so they're saying she is not going to be back on... Not going to be back.

That Bravo is not bringing her back on it. Well, the big... The pig pole quote... That is good. It is good. It is good. And that's the thing. You can get out of prison, but you still should, like, live with the consequences of

these actions of hurting people, and that one of those consequences should be that you cannot continue to enrich yourself for... Oh, my God. Real HouseWitz. Reading into this, one of the senior citizens committed. Oh, no. It was after stealing his entire retirement. Like, Jen Shaw is evil. Bad.

Even just like, like, like a very, no, she is too evil. I'm glad that she's not going to be invited back on Bravo. Oh, that very bad. I will listen to the bombshells that come out of the interview, though. Like, I am going to look into that. I listen to her struggling to take accountability. The big pull quote from this pro from this interview with people. is I was wrong.

And this is the full quote, I made wrong decisions. Wow. I should have done things differently. I should have been more diligent. Oh, I should have been more diligent. That totally implies that somebody else was doing it. Yeah.

And I'm deeply remorseful and sorry for my actions. And for my part, I take full responsibility. Doesn't sound like it. You just said part. Because you pled guilty, bitch. We know you are guilty. Yeah. Don't pretend.

But apparently it was. It's like, she just kept being like, I am innocent. I am innocent, but like, she wed in. She super did it. And you're definitely culpable. And like you said, I don't believe that just going to prison for, what, a couple of years, I don't think that that it, like, I feel that I would hope that any money in whatever she had is now completely dismantled. Right, right.

That's the thing. I think there's better consequences than prison. Yes. Yeah. Take her money away. Yeah. Take her money away. Are you kidding me?

from enriching herself. That's the greatest thing you could do. Take her status forever. Yeah. Don't let her live off of the fact that she's famous. But you know that's not going to happen, MJ. You know that's not going to happen. Yeah.

Yeah. No, that's definitely not going to happen. She's going to make tons of money. I actually am surprised and glad that she's not going to be on SLC because we all know that the moral, you know, the moral compass of SLC is, you know, It's not strong. It's low. It's low.

No, it is low. It's low. And yet still, they won't allow Jen Shaw to come back. Oh, listen to this bit. She said, I thought I was doing the right thing for the majority of the time. I was working under pressure. Oh, for what? Oh, yeah.

I was working under people who were running these companies. Oh, my God. Go fuck. Go fuck, Jen Shaw. I'm glad that we got to read what Jen Shaw had to say. Her pile of excuses. See, oh my God, no, not an excuse. We know that this is truth.

I'm just so glad that she can finally speak truth to her power. The entire thing. She goes on. What happened was down the line, people that I worked with were working with a lot of other people. Stop, man. The entire article is her deflecting, deflecting. Oh, my God. You had two years and nine months to think about how you were going to speak about this.

And what you did was come out and say, I didn't do anything wrong. I'm sorry if I did or whatever, but actually it was everybody else. Wow. That is, wow, that is a, this is one of the worst apologies, long series of excuses I've ever seen. Truly, truly. And she couldn't wait. Oh, to get her side of it. Wow. Meanwhile, this is just a, like you said, it's a big pile of, well, I didn't. Oh, well, it wasn't me. Wow. Well, well. It is, it is, but I will also throw it out there. They are saying on the, the internet, it is highly unlikely that Bravo will have her back. This is also the issue, though, MJ. They are also evil. So will they not care and put her back? But then at the same time, like you were saying, Meredith Marks, while you can't compare her just to a Jen Shaw ruining how many people's lives, it's like Meredith Marks ain't doing so well either. She don't know. She should be

Yeah, oh yeah. And you know I love her. Yeah, but she's falling apart. I mean, she's doing, she's doing coke in the DJ booth. Oh, she's doing Coke in the DJ booth. And I'd wish I could see it live, MJ. I want to see it live so badly, but I don't want to pay for it. Now, I've got something to, I went and I went to go see Ready or Not to, and I was very, very, I enjoyed it very much as someone that really enjoyed Ready or Not, which has one of my favorite, I'm not going to say new, but Samara Weaving is one of my, like, she's up there for me with like a Mia goth of like the current huge, like scream queen, like raging bitches of horror. And Samara Weaving is so cool.

Oh, and that's what Sarah Michelle Geller is in. And that's what Sarah Michelle Geller is in. Yes. And she was great. Not only was, you know, it was a sequel, MJ. and I knew, the only thing I knew about it was that it started right where the last movie finished, like right at that last moment. And I love that they did that because the whole thing is about Samara Weaving is marrying into a very, very wealthy, very, it's like a dark comedy, gory horror movie. Okay.

And she's marrying into this family and on the night of their wedding, They have to play this, they have to play a game. And she pulls the worst card, which is hide and seek, which is where they all, all the members of the family hunt her on the estate. Okay. This sounds, how bloody is it? It is bloody. Because this sounds fun.

But it's fun. Okay. But it is, I feel that for people that while, yes, there are a lot of kills and it's a lot of, like, a lot of cartoonish, like, exploding in a lot of like very over the top kind of kills. So I feel like if you don't like gore, probably it's not for you, but it is cartoonish gore. Yeah. So I feel that for me it goes so, I mean, not that I'm affected by that stuff personally,

but I feel it goes so far the other way that it is acceptable for people that aren't into like real scary, scary movies. but they do it well enough that it's still because it's still the same people that made the last, not the last two, but the first two of the reprieal of scream. Oh, okay. The scream with Jenna Ortega and, um, uh, got it can't her or an ear out. Those screams. Yeah. They did those.

Melissa. And so they made ready or not two. And they made ready or not two. And it sometimes sequels, obviously, you're like, what is it just the same thing again? Oh, she's just continued to be hunted. Yeah, and it's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's wonderful.

And now they added in Catherine Newton. And Catherine Newton, who I really, really enjoy, she was in Lisa Frankenstein. She was in Freaky. She's another newer, up-and-coming Scream Queen. And they put her in the movie as her sister. And so then the whole movie is the two of them trying to fight other people. It was just great. It was just a romp.

And Sarah Michelle Geller fucking nailed it. I was just like, my buff is. back, bitches. I love this for also, and she, Dr. Abbott. He's like a creepy character. I know.

Dr. Abbott, which so, oh my God, MJ, you're, I love you so much. I love that, of course, what, Sean Hottosi. I, I love that he is, like, this is, he's like an old crush from

the night. Like, he's like the faculty. Like, he was like, he was a guy that I always had like an outside crush on, because I feel like Sean Hotosi never was. was play. Well, that's not true because what was it in a not save the last dance. Oh my God.

I know. I've been trying to, people keep posting pictures of like, people keep posting pictures of both Noah Wiley and Sean Hottosie and being like, wow, 30 year crush. And I'm over here being like, what do I know Dr. Abbott from? But from. He's been in a million things. I, he, that's what also. He was in, in and out. I remember he was just a bit part, an in and out. And I loved that movie. What? Oh, he was a bit. Harden Home for the Holidays. Outside Providence, which is another one of those movies that was just like, you ever see Outside Providence? I feel like that was always the kind of movie. That was like the beginning. I always liked Alec Baldwin in that movie because he's very funny in it.

Oh my God. Sean Otisie's resume is like, it's like a glimpse into what it used to be like to be a working actor. He's got homicide life on the streets, law and order, CSI, crime scene investigation, ER, another law and order. Yes. CSI Miami. Another law in order. Criminal minds. Another law in order.

Yes. I love this. I love this. Keep getting those checks, babe. That's so fun. Yeah, everybody's talking about how much they've had a crush on him forever. And I am one of the ones learning of him as daddy.

Well, you probably won't love Daddy and Ready or Not too because he plays, he's a twin brother of Sarah Michelle Geller. Okay. And they both play crazy people. And this is, I actually want to, I think I might want to do a Sarah Michelle Geller like deep dive after, uh, Buffy. After Buffy. Yeah, like, go back to I know what you did last summer and cruel intentions and the like. I know they're not good.

Well, but I just think, I just think I just like her so much that I kind of want. Watch cool intentions. Yeah. Definitely. Oh, watch cruel intentions. Cruel intentions holds up. Are you the one who recently rewatched? I know what you did last summer and it was bad?

Or you just decided not to because it was bad? Correct. I rewatched. I know what you did last summer because I was like, is it bad? And then I was like, I feel like it was one of those movies that was just like too long and maybe needed, nope, hour 40. I fell asleep. I fell asleep. I fell asleep, MJ. I'm not going to lie to you.

I felt like. And then I went to go see the new I know what you did last. summer and I'm going to also say it to you, MJ, I don't remember the difference between the two. I don't remember anything that happened in that one. Both of them completely left my brain the second that I watched them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fine. I, um, but cruel intentions. Cool intentions is what I should do. And maybe a Scooby-Doo if you want to put a Scooby-Doo on there if you want to get a little kooky. You know me. I'll watch anything with Matthew Lillard in it. Yeah. Man, I was just watching God. He just seems like such a great guy. I was watching some interview with him

and he was talking to, I think it was like on a podcast and that the interviewer was essentially like, I mean, with being famous and he's like, I need to stop you there. He's like, I'm not really famous. And she was like, I don't think that that's true. And he's like, no, no, no. He's like, I'm popular. He's like people, he's like, I'm popular, but I'm not famous. He's like, I don't get the like, oh, Matthew Lillard's. He's like, nobody is looking at me. Nobody cares about me. I get no, like, perks. Nothing. He's like, I just want you to know that like, it's not like, it's like, there are people, like, I love Matthew Lillard. And I wonder if it's people our age that do feel that way about, like, I do wonder. If you are of, if you're not in your late 30s, early 40s, I'd love chime in. Yeah. Do you love Matthew Lillard? Do Zumers love Matthew Lillard? And also Gen X. Does Gen X love Matthew Lillard? Because it's like, I feel like there was, I mean, that's not true. because it's like SLC punk. They had SLC punk. They had SLC punk. I'm sorry. I immediately take back when I just said. And so.

SLC punk was my sexual awakening in so many ways. But yes, Zumers weigh in. And also the scream, I think people, I think Gen X was young enough when Scream came out to be turned on by those people. Especially because it has only been in the zeitgeist for the zoomers to read about Matthew Lillard and Skeet and Skeet that in their brains

they were in a relationship in Scream like for the two male for the men actors because if you ever Oh my God MJ why are you looking at me like this Zoomers have retcon screamed to make it gay The internet has Yes and including Matthew Lillard and Skeet they were like oh we always saw the undertones

Oh yeah they always saw the undertones of the two of them. Oh, that's so fun. I didn't know. And Scream is, I dare say, top three horror movies for me just because I think I saw it. I mean, I saw it right when it came out. Oh, same. It changed my fucking life.

It was like, I love horror. I'm a horror girl forever. This is my movie. And hearing that as being a young person that always shipped Sean Astin and Elijah Wood in Lord of the Rings, hearing that gives me everything. Because again, you think they weren't kissing up on that mountain? Yeah. You think they weren't walking to their death thinking maybe we should kiss a little bit?

That's so interesting. But doesn't that point? I'm just going to swing it on a chandelier here and say, we've been watching Desperate Housewives, which is very early 2000s. And a fun thing about the early 2000s that I forgot about is that if there was a gay character, many times they were evil. Evil. Oh, make them evil.

And the gayness, they weren't just gay and evil. It was like they were intertwined. The gayness and the evil. It was a symbiotic relationship between gayness and evil. And so I guess I'm just wondering if making Skeet and Matthew Lillard gay and scream doesn't kind of do the same thing. Yeah, but also at the same time, people of all, I think I've always talked about this. And it is more of the fact that I think that we should recognize that at that time period, which really, I mean, it was at this point

for, but in our brains at this age, it wasn't that long ago that it had to be implied on a show. Like even the difference between a scream, even though that's not what it was about. So I understand that that was more like for them and their acting style, which I think is very cute. I love that. But like between that and desperate housewives where it's like, okay, we can acknowledge homosexuality, but we're going to make it. I want everyone to know that it's still not okay. It's really bad. There was that.

And then we watched it as it grew of like, no, it doesn't have to be that. And then now we're at a much better place, at least specifically, with being able to see gay characters. Right. And Desperate Housewives just reminds you that 20 years ago really was a very long time ago.

Very different time. Yeah, no, you're totally right. And it's different to have this, like a much more well-developed characters in a relationship that is Matthew Lillard and Skeet, Ulrich and Scream. This is, I don't know, I've been obviously living under a rock. I apologize for not knowing this,

but now I feel like I need to go rewatch Scream and Scream 2 because, like, with this lens, because that just sounds like a lot of fun. And also, I haven't seen Scream 2 in a long time. Scream is also my favorite horror movie. Scream 2 is fun, dude. But I haven't seen it in a long, long time. Oh, my gosh.

I'm sorry. Now I'm just, like, reading about their marriage. Matthew Lillard, and his wife, his wife's a realtor, they've been married for 25 years and they have, and he's like having a Hollywood marriage of

25 years is like being married. Essentially it's double. He's like the fact that we've been able to navigate this together, they have three kids and he, he's like, oh, actively, people even say, seeing them together, they are just as in love with each other as they were back then.

Oh my God. Does that make me fall even? harder for Matthew Lillard, yes. I cannot explain how much I thirsted for Matthew Lerner. And no one in sixth grade, no one understood. I was like, everyone, we all agreed with us. Everyone thought they were, that he was the ugly one. Yes. I was like, we could all agree that Matthew Lillard is the hottest person in this movie, right? And no one agreed and no one else had seen at SLCBung. I would have been right next to you, babe. I would have been like, yes. Yes, I'm with you. Thank you. Wow. I love this. reading this. Oh no, MJ. I always thought I was more of a skeet, but am I more of a mat? I mean, I'm also there for skeet. I'm when I'm also there for ski. I can't go wrong. And of course, Riverdale reawakened our, our latent love of skeed. It's a great time to be a Gen X hunk from the 90s. I mean, oh yeah, because they're just looking better and better. Jesus Christ. Yeah, Noah Wiley. All of them. Yeah. All of them. Now, I am, I

am going to bring up dirty feet cream. And even though I am disgusted by the fact that I'm saying the phrase dirty feet cream, I just needed everyone to hear the headline of this article. Selena Gomez's new ice cream launch has a subtle nod to her relationship with Benny Blanco. And the only thing I could think of was how dirty that man's feet are. That's why you're calling a dirty feet cream? That's why I'm calling it. Dirty feet cream? That's why I'm calling it dirty feet cream because everybody was talking about Benny Blanco and how he doesn't like to wear socks and that his feet are always like very, very dirty. And he's, like he does a lot of things barefoot. And so he's barefoot often.

So people see how dirty's feet are. And now all I can think about when I think of Benny Blanco is his dirty feet. And now when you say there's a subtle nod to a relationship with the ice cream, all I could think about was dirty feet cream. I know we already talked about Beni Blanco. go in his feet, but I do feel, as somebody who also likes to have bare feet, and I wish I could have bare feet all the time. And I remember, I used to wear the $5 old Navy flip-flops, like only. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. And then somebody just like, how are your feet doing now, MJ? Are they doing well? I got a lot of foot problems right now. I'm being serious. And it has nothing to do with the $5 old Navy flip-flops for all those years. Yeah, but. No way.

Well, I stopped at some point because somebody, I don't know if it was a comedian or some other peer whose opinion I cared about, like, deeply shamed me for how, for wearing old Navy $5 flipops in New York City because the ground makes your feet so dirty. So dirty. But I was like, it's New York City, like beautiful women wear sandals all summer, but they're wearing big wedges. And they got dirty-ass feet at the end of the day. Don't matter, MJ. At the end of the day, we all got to wash our feet. Oh, yeah. And that's why I'm saying dirty feet cream only because the phrase disgusts me so much,

because I really don't care about somebody's feet being dirty. I don't care. It's not like you're walking on my white couch that I would never own. You know what I mean? Like, I don't really care. And honestly, I don't know if that would, like, if Betty Blanco were my friend, I'd be like, oh, yeah, you never wear shoes. That's it.

Yeah, you just doesn't wear shoes. That's fine. But dirty feet. It's the phrase that you're stimming. I'm stimming dirty feet cream. That's fine. And my problem is I keep saying dirty feet. And like to a point that Jeff was like, please, I don't know why you keep saying dirty feet cream, but you must stop saying dirty feet cream.

And that's the only reason why I'm bringing up this article. Yeah, yeah, because I don't really care about the ice cream. It's just a clabbit. I don't care. I don't care. It's just honestly, I am even more. I am further upset, though. I'm more upset about the fact that it's called I said I love blue first.

first, right? Yeah. So it is, it's like, I said, I love you first, write the song. They made it all blue, but then they just made it like vanilla. And they're like, oh, it's blue, but it's cookies and cream. Yeah. But it's blue. It's like, give me something else.

Yeah. Give me something different with it. Give me like, I was screaming about those Mayana bars, which also thank you, everybody, for the beautiful hookup that they've got the Mayana bars at Whole Foods, everybody. And I never go into a Whole Foods, but. but I would for those G.D. Mayana bars. Yeah, yeah. That I'm looking at this ice cream,

and I just know that it's not going to be good, you know? No, it's just, it's not really my thing. I feel like, but also, I mean, if I was a huge Selena fan, I would definitely go above and beyond to try to get it. Because she did have good Oreos. We liked her Oreos. She had good Oreos. I liked it.

It was like an Orchata Oreo, and I loved that. But you know what I didn't like, MJ? I was excited yesterday. Because yesterday, I don't know if it debuted yesterday, if we just saw it on YouTube yesterday. Jeopardy is collabing with YouTube and they're doing Jeopardy YouTube edition. What?

And I was... Oh, this is going to bring out the old person in me, Jackie. I was shocked because I was just like, here, I love Jeopardy. It's supposed to be a show that you watch on cable at 6.30 while you're making dinner or at 3.30 after school. And this is why we don't get it anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I miss it because I don't get Jeopardy anymore. So I saw this and I was like, oh, exciting. Then maybe I can start watching Jeopardy again because Jeff and I have genuinely tried to like stream Jeopardy and it just doesn't hit the same. I like watching it at 7 p.m. when I'm at my mom's house. Like I like knowing that at 7 p.m. It's going to come on. I like that. This was the three people on it were Monet Exchange and I love Monet. Love Monet. Rebecca Black and Brennan Lee Mulligan

from Dropout. Really? Yes. Whoa. And I was excited and I was like, okay. Okay. I'll watch this. And then I put it on.

Uh-oh. And I'm so curious because like I thought and what Jeff and I both thought, I thought that it was going to be like Jeopardy where, oh, it's like we find out that Rebecca Black is really into like Egyptian mythology. You know, it's like I feel like if we had found. Boring fun facts. Right. I wanted that. I wanted to find out more about like I thought that would be such a fun angle. But instead, all of the jeopardy questions are about YouTube.

Oh, God. And there's only 20 years. I know it's 20 years of a huge history. I understand. You can make jeopardy off of that. But why? Like, I thought it would be fun. I was like, yeah, hell yeah.

Brannily Mulling is going to kill it. But it's all. Oh, I hate it. I hate it. And I like that, like, the money goes up for charity. Like, I like that. I like it. I hate that the questions.

are all about YouTube. And I shut it off. That is fundamentally against, that's not Jeopardy. Right. That's just not Jeopardy isn't an ad. Jeopardy isn't a theme like that. It's not, I mean, I know there's theme, there's celebrity, jeopardy and whatnot, but no,

you cannot, Jeopardy cannot be an ad. It can't be an ad. No. It was so funny because MJ, I think Jeff and I got into like a very similar, like, we both weirdly exploded about it. Yeah. And I just was like, you know, why? you doing this to Jeopardy.

You don't break Jeopardy. Jeopardy's always like you just have, oh, it's YouTube people. That's great. I love that. Get more people watching Jeopardy. Get younger people watching Jeopardy. I love the idea. Yes.

But then, I was like, come on. You really shut the bed with this. Yeah, no. Everything's an ad and this is too much. Like I can tolerate the Megan the Stalian Nickelback collab for the Piccleteos. I don't, I don't, I wish it wasn't an ad, but it's an ad. It's fine. But Jeopardy cannot become an ad.

That's where I draw the line. An ad for YouTube? No. I just, that's not, it's not interesting enough. That's, that's a, that's a crime against humanity. Although I'm happy for Rebecca Black, and I just want to say that I do play my little family tradition. Maybe you'll want to make it yours is every Friday morning before school.

We play Rebecca Black's Friday for the kids. I play it for the kids. And that is how we leave the house listening to Rebecca Black's Friday. Oh, that's cute. Yes. And I know she desperately. wants to move on from it, but I'm not going to be over it anytime soon.

And she has done lots of things, you know, other things, but we know, but also Rebecca Black really was able to, they really tried to pigeonhole her into that song and be like, this is who you are, this is what you do, and she

eventually crawled out from underneath that, which I think is very inspiring to people coming up in an age when I didn't know how she could do that, you know. Yeah, like what was essentially a public humiliation for her. Like, I listened to Friday because I actually love it, you know, but it was like, it was like, that was, yeah, that was a really different time on the internet. It was 2010. And it was a time

when just a bunch of adults were like, let's all make fun of this preteen because she was rich and she had the money to make this horrible video. And I think it was probably incredibly traumatizing for her. And I know she's like spoken about that. And I'm so glad that she has forged a new identity. But I just want to advocate for the song Friday on Fridays for kids. Still fun. Every Friday. I love this. You know, every Friday. It's a great way to start the day with like a pump up, you know? Yeah. I mean, think of what TGIF used to do for us. I just remember how excited I would be, not because of the weekend, but because of TGIF. And that's what I was, I didn't care about spending time with my family. I just wanted to watch, are you afraid of the dark? Yeah. No, you got to have your

rituals. You got to have your, you know, especially your Friday rituals. What I love about working in schools, nobody will, will do more for a Friday celebration than anyone who works in a school. Oh, my God. Oh, God. What a celebration. It must be every week. We worship at the altar of Friday. Oh, my God. Those of us who work in schools and I, it's a special feeling. But yeah, so if you've got kids, I do recommend introducing Friday into your morning routine on Fridays. It's fun. I love that. And I would not recommend introducing this movie into your kids' Friday routine. But we took a chance last night. And we watched a new action comedy called Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice.

Okay. And it's a new movie that came out on Hulu. And I saw that James Marsden was in it. And I love James Marsden. Love James Marston. I really love James Marsden. And everything I've heard about James Marsden, it's exactly what you think. Like, apparently he is just the nicest.

And this is from Henry, who has worked with him before. Like, he's just a really nice, good guy. And so I was like, I want to watch this movie. And I know Vince Vaught, what is the thing with Vince? Like, what is it just that he's, is it just that he's really, is he bad with women? Like, what is, I know there's something. I know there was a thing because I loved him in Swingers and I was a big Vaughnhead for a while. And then I had to stop being a vaughn head.

I don't remember. Yes. And I know that a lot of the comedy hasn't aged well. So I don't really know. I know that there's that. But this movie is, it's a gangster action comedy. And it is about Vince Vaughn is this big guy in the mob. And James Marsden is also in the mob.

And Vince Vaughn comes back from the future to stop himself from doing something that will affect him in the future. And James Marsden is a part of it. And so it is an. action comedy with two Vince Vaugh. I really, I'm bringing it up because it was like a weirdly fresh take on a

mobster comedy kind of like I feel like you've seen a hundred million of these. Right. But it was really, it was genuinely fun. This guy Jimmy Tatro when I'm not familiar with who he is, he plays this guy named Jimmy Boy and it was very genuinely

fun. Like I laughed out loud multiple times at this just little action comedy that we watched last night because I was just not in the mood. Like, I couldn't handle much. Yeah. And this I could handle. And it was pretty good.

That's great. I like that. I think Vince Vaughn maybe is kind of like an anti-woke guy. But anyone who wants to weigh in and help us remember, I think he shook Donald Trump's hand, maybe. One of those. He's maybe met with him. But yeah, so I'm not, but I'm talking out of my ass right now because I don't really remember.

Last but not least, I have to because I didn't bring it up last week and I'm so sad that I didn't. Have you continued watching neighbors at all? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you watch the final episode? Remind, I think that we're caught up. About the guy in the nudist colony. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. I, this show, I'm so upset. That was so good. That was the final episode? That was the final episode. I'm so upset that this show is over. If you did not get a chance to check out, there's only six episodes.

Neighbors is one of the most fascinating shows I've ever seen. Oh, it's so good. The nudist colony guy is so good. Fascinating. Fascinating. He just loves to be nude. He loves to be nude. And then it follows him as he tries to join a nude.

I don't know if nudist colony is the word. Like a, like a nudist. I know. It's a old-fashioned phrase. It's like a utus community. It's interesting. It's like it's an intentional community. It's like, it's intentional because they're nudist, but they're also, it's like,

they're trying to build their own little like utopian society. It is like an alternate reality of nudists. Except they are in the middle of asshole, Florida. I believe that they were in Barstow. Like I think they were in Hillsborough, Hany, which is like the middle of Florida. And anybody who ever asks me about Florida, I'm like, Florida's great if you stick to the coasts. If you never go to the inside of Florida, usually it's not that bad.

And then that's right where they were. And I was just like, oh, my God, a nudist community there? Okay. And man, it must attract some interesting people. And it certainly does like the people that were on the show. And again, the show does not take aside. I found it fascinating that even in just watching that episode, you kind of forget that they're nude.

Yeah, 10 minutes in. You stop thinking about it. And then I was like, man, I understand the idea as someone that I do like to not have a lot of clothes on when I'm in my home. I love the idea of everyone understanding and consenting in a community where we watch this guy in his 70s go up and do karaoke. for the first time in his life. Yeah. And it, fascinating slice of life show. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot.

I really found myself being like, I think that these nudists are, are kind of nice. Like, they found themselves. The Halloween episode. I didn't talk to you about the Halloween episode, the one where it was the two people where one had been decorating their house for Halloween, like really, really big. And then the other guy starts, like, stealing his ideas, quote, unquote.

We talked about that a little bit with Eddie. Did we? Yeah, because we weren't sure who to root for and then the Trump and then the holiday guy put the Trump side out. And then we knew who to root for it. That was the only time that it was like that I think neighbors was kind of like making it clear which side to be on. Yes. Yeah, no, the final episode, it really was because there's zero percent of me that is interested in ever being around a nudist, like being in a nudist society. Being in a nudist colony ever, not for you.

but I do love, like, I'm very interested in, like, intentional communities. And so, like, the idea, and I love, I always say I love Florida because it's full of people who have purposefully abandoned normal life to go have a different kind of life. And I think that's neat. Which sounds awesome. I do love, the way you say it, it sounds great. Yeah. And I'm specifically thinking about, like, the first time I went to Key West and just, like,

everybody I met was like, I left a corporate hustle life in New York to come. to come down here. They'll live on a boat. And I was like, hell yeah. Like that, and these people, you know, I don't think I would want to live there or spend much time with them. But they have been like, what I want is to be nude. I want to be around other nude people. And I'm, we're going to build this community.

And they did. And it's pretty neat. I mean, it is the beautiful side of Florida. It is the place. It's like, why do you think all that? It's like, it is where you go to escape. And sometimes that is to escape crimes. and I'm not saying that for, you know, I'm not saying, and that's everybody in Florida,

but it's like, you're right. But then you go to, like, the St. Pete's and you go to the different section. You go to the St. Augustine's, you go to this where you're like, well, if it was all this, this would be great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I have a very romanticized vision of Florida. But neighbors will take that down real quick.

Oh, I feel like there were, I guess it wasn't all in Florida, but there was several Florida. There were a couple of Florida's in there. Overrepresented in neighbors, for sure. It attracts a weird type, you know. But at the same time, it attracted the Zabrowski's, and that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. So, you know, I'm a part of it. We're all in it.

We're all doing it. But we're not all being nudist, and that's okay. Yeah, not going to be me. Because thinking about them, man, in Florida, sitting on like a leather seat. I know. It's like, no, I don't need my lips to be slucking onto a leather couch. That was all I could think the entire time was how little I would ever want to do this. And then I was like, and then I had to do some self-reflection.

What's my problem? Whoa. See, and what did you figure out? Did you realize? Do you recognize any trauma? Oh, you don't want to get into it. Okay, all right. We're not going to deal with that.

I understand as someone that refused to live a life without a bra on up until like four years. ago where I would wear a bra 24-7. So I understand we all have different traumas and past things that we bring to how we dress in our day and age, and that's okay. Although, as when we, when we played Sims a lot, you did always have me and Gideon's characters both walking around in basketball shorts with no shirt. And that is my preferred, like, I'll go to a basketball shorts and no shirt colony. Hell yeah. That is my preferred mode. Hell yeah. That's fine. All right. Well, then, well, I'm sure that those exist to. I don't think they exist in Florida, but I'm sure they exist in other places. Dude, this was great. This was really, this was a absolutely, I had a great time talking to you.

I had a great time laughing with you, MJ, like I always do. And I am, I'm just excited because I'm trying, I know that this is a silly thing to say, I'm trying to get back to the movie theater. Yeah. I feel like I've been, I, movies, ugh, have not been at the top of my priority. list recently, and I hate that. I know you're an extreme moviegoer, and I really love this for you. And when I was in L.A., I got to experience how you and your friends go to the movies, and I think it's absolutely delightful. And you're going to get back at it. You had a rough season. And it was just a chapter and a very long book. Turn, Turn, Turn. Yeah, yep, there's a season, MJ. And this is the season for having a blast. Oh, happy Springsgiving, everybody, if you celebrate the non-denominational holiday of Springs

giving, happy Passover to those that celebrate, happy Easter to those that celebrate. But most importantly, you spring's giving fans out there, really, I hope that you really keep it yours this year. And I hope that you add as much weed as you can into your celebration day. Yes, let us know how you're celebrating. Yes. Oh, yes. Please let us know.

know how in fun ways you keep the weed away from all of the children. You like to put it in the eggs. You like to put it in the eggs and then hunt for it. Not anymore. Now the kids are too old. So now I can't do any of that. I used to put like the little bottles of booze. Can't do that.

And now the kids are getting too old and they know the difference. It's not about just finding the colorful eggs anymore. They want the shit inside of it. And that's annoying. So it used to be that all they wanted was the egg. MJ. I know. Then they grow up. But have a beautiful weekend, everybody.

We will be back next week. I don't even know who we're going to be joined by, so I can't even seed it here. But everybody, we know we're going to be joined by you. Have a beautiful, beautiful weekend. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. You can follow me on Instagram at Jack That Worm. Come hang out

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