Page 7 - Second Helpings - Married Without Sight

Episode Date: April 24, 2026

This week on Second Helpings, MJ and Jackie are easin' their way into "Trust Me: The False Prophet" but up first their talkin' the shake up for the new season of "Married At First Sight" and MJ wants to talk about Lori Loughlins haircut. The new season of SLOMW is still shooting sans Taylor, "Lee Cronin's The Mummy" sure is something, pre-orders for the Taskmaster advent calendar are about to open, Jackie gives a breakdown of the new season of "Beef" and a new documentary about the PBS series "Wishbone" is about to drop, plus even more! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

the second time around. Oh, it's gonna be. It's gonna be. Maybe possibly an upsetting episode, but don't worry, we're not starting off talking about trust me, the false prophet that both MJ and I watched.

We're not going to start off with it. We're going to ease our way into it. We're going to ease our way into it. Last week we had fallacious and shit. And yes, well, that was upsetting. It was kind of a fun flavor of upsetting. And then... I've been saying,

fallatios and shit non-stop. Honestly, I'm using it in the same way as this is going to hurt the tour, the what, the world tour. And I feel like in my brain. But fallacios and shit doesn't apply to most situations unless you just say it no matter what. Yeah, phalachios and shit. God, I miss that man. Also, one of our Patreon commenters said something that is now living in my brain, which

is that on reality shows, instead of doing test, where the person just talks to the camera. Now, the Patreon commenter did preface by saying this is extremely unethical, but they suggested. I love, oh my God, this was such a funny. I love this idea. Yes. It's such a good idea. Very unethical.

Instead of doing the testimonials, just the talking head to the camera, that they should instead have a session with a mental health professional where the mental health professional kind of prompts them to interrogate what they have just done. And you know what? It is unprofessional, but you know what else is unprofessional? All those therapists who are already on reality TV, the Baldwin's had therapy sessions. Plenty of therapists are willing to do unethical stuff. They're all over TikToks and little sound bites that don't make sense unless you're actually in a therapy session.

You know, have that. Did they finally get rid of Dr. Peppa? I think they got rid of Dr. Peppa and the three marriage counselors from married at first sight. That is which I think that I'm pretty sure. because at some point I feel like they're like, I don't think these people are working. We might need to get somebody else in here. But I think that they're also just kind of removing them

in a lot of different reality shows because they're like, why even try? We know we're traumatizing these people. Yeah, I mean, right. I'm like, I think it's the influx of therapy speak into, like I also, we don't need to talk about this, but you know, this week there was like this very popular TikTok therapist who got canceled.

And it has led to like a discussion of like, is TikTok therapy good? And like I think the answer is like maybe sometimes. Like generally nice to get out some basic ideas about mental health for the masses, you know, but also like the idea of just all these therapists who are like, yeah, I'll do marriage counseling on television. What is the ethical problem in that? It's like, you know, it's people have to be a bit more sacred about the profession, I think. Yeah, I think that they do, especially when you're Pastor Cal, it is, Pastor Cal is the one on Married at First Site that has been there for like for such a long time.

But it is one of those things where I was just like, you're just going to, and he's not, now I understand that pastors and that they do provide different roles within the community. I don't really want a pastor coming at me at Married at First Site talking to me about my relationship. Oh, but I like him. I know you like Pastor Cal. I see that's the thing. We love Pastor Cal, but don't worry. He's not coming back. Dr. Pepper, Pastor Cal and Dr. Pia are all fired from the next season of Married First

site. They got rid of all three of them. What is the show? I don't know, man. They're not going to, they're not going to give them any help anymore or are they going to hire new ones and then they're just giving a whole overhaul? But I think it would be very funny. If they were like, you know what?

Why? Why try? Yeah. It's got to fail. Yeah. No, let's like, it's, the upgrade of Married at First Site is Married at First Site

with no help and absolutely no guidance whatsoever. Or maybe no sight at all. Maybe they all always like forever. It's like they just have, they have beer goggles on, but they have to get them strapped to their face so they only ever see them all just like wibble,

jibble. As reality shows scoge further and further towards Midsomar, it can be like married without sight and it's like you can marry someone who's a good match for you but will also gouge your eyes out. Man, just watch. I watched some YouTube video yesterday talking about Midsomar and just talking about the ways in which like the utilization of lights and how like it changed from the time from like before to when she gets there and how Ari Aster had like done all these changes and I just watched and I'm like, man, am I going to watch this movie again?

I've seen Midsomer and I've watched the director's cut, which is longer. I've seen it at this point. And usually I don't like to rewatch movies crazy amounts. But I think I've seen Midsomer like six or seven times. Whoa. I really, it's so good. I loved it and I definitely don't want to watch it again. But also it is one of those movies that like the first time you think about all the time.

Do you think about all the time? And the first time you're watching it, the entire experience is just like, oh, it's about this. You know, like the whole first experience is just a total shock. So I can imagine that you have a completely different experience of it the second time around. But I and seeing what like in during the director, like I'm going to be real with you. Oftentimes when I watch a director's version and I'm sorry, Adam, cover your ears as a director. I know this is going to hurt you. I watch them and I and I'm like, I didn't even notice a difference or that was just longer or oh, I guess they just added that scene in.

but with mid-somer, there is just some, there's like aspects of like music and things that, like, I didn't really understand until I watched the full director's cut. And I was just like, man, this is super. Like, I even think the director's cut is better than the original. And that's crazy because I'm not usually like a make it longer, make it longer kind of bitch. Yeah. I was for that, man, until you would. Sorry, now I'm just talking about midsummer and how much I want to watch it again. Yeah. And I wanted to talk about Lori Loughlin's haircut. Okay, because it's everywhere. Oh my God, because it's everywhere and everybody's talking about it. Everybody's talking about her haircut. She got a haircut. She looks different. She's different now, and it's almost like she didn't pay $500,000 for her child to get into college. Yes, we have, Jackie and I've been talking a lot about Lori Loughlin because we are watching.

Oh, my God, she got bangs. I got bangs recently. Congratulations. Also, have you noticed that you haven't seen the bangs? I didn't know why. I didn't know you got bangs. because I'm not doing the bangs because I immediately, I'm like, oh, I'm not doing this. I don't want to style this at all.

So I just like brush them to the side of my face. I can't style these. I've never seen you with bangs, Jackie, in 15 years. They're wispy. They're like wispy up top. See, now you kind of see the bangs. But now I'm kind of just like juke them over to the side. They're fringe.

I got like a fringe bang. But my problem is I feel like with a fringe, I never get bangs because I hadn't, I haven't had this particular brand of a midlife crisis recently, but I didn't chop all my hair off. I just got wispy bangs instead. Yeah. And that was enough. But apparently not enough for Lori Loughlin because she got a thick, she got chunker on there. And I'm not talking about her body. I'm talking about her bangs. She got chunky bangs. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Lori Loflin is in that thing where it's like a child star where you're never allowed to change. But for her, she was an adult. But just she never changed from Aunt Becky. She just always looked like Aunt Becky.

She'll always be Aunt Becky. And so then, of course, when the college admission scandal happened, all I was thinking about was Aunt Becky. Wow, Aunt Becky lied about her daughter, who, you know, was also like a little influencer or whatever, Olivia Jade. And I was all thinking about Aunt Becky. And I wasn't thinking about Felicity H. H. And I wasn't thinking about William H. Macy.

But now we're watching Desperate Housewives. And all I can think about is Felicity Huffman doing exactly what her character from Desperate Housewives would do in real life. would do. It's so, and I, it's so crazy that in watching Desperate Housewives, which I know is a 20-year-old show at this point, I think about it all the time. All the time. There's so much of how things are represented and how things have changed in media, how some things haven't changed at all in media. But most importantly, we really weren't focused on Felicity Hoffman during the child, prison, the child's prison experiment. Oh, I just want to see how they make their choices. Put them in the box. That could be a real. Let's pitch that reality show. Stanford Prison Experiment, but with children.

But with, I mean, we're begging for a new Lord of the Flies. Yeah. I want to see what Piggy gets the conk. And we were discussing before we started recording which crime was worse between Aunt Becky and Lynette Scavo and Felicity. Because Felicity Uffman. Because Felicity Uffman doesn't exist anymore. She's just Lynette Scabo. She's dead. She's Lynette Scabo. She's sorry.

She can't come to the phone right now. Why? Because she's Linnet Scabo. And yes, she did. Well, Lori Loughlin did pay a lot of bribes to get her child. $500,000. So, Lori Lof, so this is just for everyone. If you don't understand the difference and you never cared, well, you're going to care

now. Because Lori Lof. Year is 2020. Yes. And a little pandemic is raging the country. Children can't get into the schools. What are we going to do? What they're going to do is Lori Loughlin and her husband,

Mossimo, Julie Lunulie, and yep, I'm not making it up. That's how you say it. And they, so they lied and they falsely presented their two daughters as being a part of the crew athletes, like the rowing athletes. They even involved staged photos and fabricated athletic profiles so that their daughters could get into USC. What happens with Lori Loflin? She pleads guilty. She serves two months in prison.

Lynette Scavo, they only paid 15K. So that's a big old difference. Okay. Significantly less money, but arguably a worse crime. Arguably a worse crime because she did spend the money to have a proctor. secretly correct her daughter's SAT answers is what they paid. And so she served 11 days in prison, and I don't think that's fair. It is, if anybody in the courtroom had seen desperate housewives, they would have just been like, well, this makes sense.

This is Lynette. It's not her. It's not her fault. What else was Lynette supposed to do? Terry Hatcher was probably encouraging her, you know? Oh, my God, she's so zany. She's over there. Like, she can't even get her shit together to get Julie into college.

Julie is just like you parentified her, but you never helped her succeed, did you? Oh, man. Yeah, I know that this is extremely old news about two actresses that nobody speaks about anymore. Whoa, except for us, because again, we are a millennial pop culture podcast. But that's why we're here for you, because I know out there you're thinking about Desperate Housewives, too. Yeah, yeah. And wondering why no one else is talking about Lynette Scabo, okay? Or William H. Macy, who seemed to have gotten through this scandal, just to be a little bit of,

fine. I really feel like I am throwing William H. Macy under the bus. I'm going to say it's an ick that he didn't take the time for her, that he didn't step in and be like, I did this. She didn't do this. I did this. Because I feel like put my husband to the test, I feel like he'd go and he'd take it for me. Even though everyone would know it was me. There's no way it would have been, Jeff. Everyone was like, oh, Jeff did this? And you know what? This also tracks, unfortunately, with Desperate Housewives, because we all

know that Lynette Scabo's useless husband, Tom, would never go to prison for her, you know? And apparently William H. Macy is living that Tom life. And even though he has a much higher profile as an actor and would have probably recovered better because he's a man and people would just be like, oh, that's fine. Yeah, he let her take the fall. And I hope Felicity Huffman's having a great day. Yes, this is fraud. And yes, it's obviously evil. It's evil in a different kind of way. I'm not saying it's not evil, but I am saying it's very funny and therefore I am okay with it. It is. Yeah. And especially now that we just think it's Lynette doing it, I feel like we're completely fine with this. Now, apparently, Felicity Huffman is currently

playing a doctor on a new show called Doc on Hulu that I have never heard of. It came out last year and it has two seasons. It's just called Doc. Yeah. After a brain injury erases the last eight years of Dr. Amy Larson's life. She was navigating an unfamiliar world where she has no recollection of patients she's treated. Colleagues, she's crossed. It sounds like you shouldn't be a doctor anymore. I think if you lose all the brains, I'm sorry, not brains, the synapses of your brains, where it made doctor in there.

I feel like you shouldn't be a doctor anymore. I'm just happy she's working. And you know who else is working? Her daughter that she lied for because remember we were talking about her recently because her daughter is in that show that neither of us want to watch with Steve Carell Rooster. And I still don't want to watch it. I still don't. I feel like I was seeing the teaser trailer for a while and then it kind of just went away.

And everyone says like, rooster who? Yeah. I feel like they even buried it on the front of the, like, I feel like I immediately stopped hearing about it and not on the front page of HBO anymore. It's weird timing to be like, let's make a show about like an older man who wants to spend time with a bunch of young people at college. Like we're in a, we're in a cultural moment where we're talking a lot about like, like power dynamics and like coercive relationships.

And I just think this is every time I see the trailer, I'm just like, I don't want this. I do want the other Steve Correll's old now show four seasons, which was very good. Yes, yes, which is funny because I thought about you, MJ, because my mom was telling me to watch four seasons. Because my mom, I tell you what, Linda. You get my mom talking about Coleman Domingo, you can't get her to stop. I had no idea. My mom is Domingin all over the place. She can't get enough of him.

And I was like, hell yeah, bitch. I get you. That actually, I'm glad Linda's enjoying it because the reason I told you not to watch it was because at the time you were in a season of grief and four seasons is just all about aging and how hard it is to just get older and have your life change. And I found it to be devastating. But that's because I'm reckoning with, you know, passage of time in a way that...

I mean, my mom loves to be upset, too. Where do you think I get it from? Of course, she's going to watch the thing that makes her upset. When I told her to watch Mad Men, because I was like, oh, it kind of reminds me of how you lived. I feel like you lived like a Sally Draper life. Like, that was kind of your life. And my mom swallowed all seven seasons within like two weeks.

And she was like, I was upset. I was like, how did you watch it all in two weeks? And man, that bitch will find a way. It makes me proud of her. Speaking of finding a way, can we talk about... about the Dancing with the Stars' spinoff hosted by Robert Irwin? Are you just hearing about this for the first time? And I mean, just telling you about this?

Oh, my God. Pardon me? MJ, it's a big day. MJ for the two of us. It's a big day. It's called the next pro. And they're bringing on Robert Irwin to dance. He is so good.

He broke the format of dancing with the stars. and now they need a new format. They need a new one because they need more Robert Irwin. He's going to be hosting it. So I don't know if that means he is going to be dancing. But we are going to get more. I'm so proud of him. I'm so proud of him too.

Look at this fucking pivot. Look at him being like, you know what? I'm going to use this. Ah, I'm so. Wait, I know that Robert Irwin didn't perform at the live dancing with the stars or he did. He did not where I don't think he did. I don't think he did. He's certainly not the one I was at.

but I don't think. I think at the, have you say, lower budget. Wow. Wow. Wow. MJ. Well, that's not going to be Mara Higgins on next season. I can't even try to do the accent.

Mara's going to be on the next season. That's fun. There's word on the street that Rob Roush's also might be on the next season. And this is the thing. Once we're in the world, it's like now, it's like going to college. I know. It's why you have to watch. all of it. It's why you have to watch all of it so that you can like be, but then that's why it makes me so upset because everybody saw that this person, Sierra Miller from Summer House and everyone's like, SummerHus, I'm not as the Summer House. And I'm just, everything is Summer House. And I'm so behind and I'm like, should I watch Summer House? Should I start watching Summer House? I've never watched Summer House. I didn't know that I was supposed to be watching Summer House. Yeah, that's fine. I'll watch, I'll watch Summer House. But yeah, now, I mean, the Dancing with the Stars, it's, it's like, you know, I've always worked in school, so you're always on like the academic calendar year or like if you're a professor.

or whatever, and, like, you have your seasons, and you're like, oh, we have, like, back-to-school season, and then we have final season, and we have, and the year just operates in a routine in a way that I find very comforting. And if you are a dancing with the stars person, you're just like, oh, yes, we have our, season where it's the primetime show, and we have our season with the tour. And those dancers have just built an empire for themselves where they can just dance all year and get paid for it. And I think that's great for them.

That is, it makes me, honestly, it always makes me think of the Rockettes, where the Rockets and part of, and I know this is old, old, I'm sure that this isn't the case anymore, but I remember back in the day it used to be that they were paid to maintain their body and dancing throughout the year so that they could be prepared to be the Rockets at the end of the year. And it was a part of their contract was to maintain the look of themselves. Once you're a Rocket, you're a Rocket all the way. You're a Rocket all the way. And that is, I mean, I think it's also because not that all rocket,

are big, mean, scary women, but in my head they are and babo, babo, babo, keep me away from those rockets. They're going to be kicking me in the face, kicking me, I'm like, oh, I'm trying to get close. I'm trying to get close. Let me get closer. But I can't wait to watch. Now we've got more. Now we've got more because MJ, Love Island at some point is going to start and you're going to lose me to Love Island. Yeah. But, you know, in that time period, there is, there's a flounder. We're now watching, I shared that

profile with you so that you could stay on top of all of the secret lives of Mormon wives conversation because they have continued filming. They're continued filming without Taylor, which is obviously, mom talk is surviving this. Mom talk is surviving this. Obviously filming without Taylor is 100% the right choice. I think from a moral standpoint, an ethical standpoint and a financial standpoint and a business standpoint and all of that. I do feel like slightly devastated for Taylor only because it was just, I just swallowed two seasons of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives in like two weeks. And I just, it is, she's just begging for help. Every episode, she's like, will you help me, please?

Can anyone help me? I need help. And so it's like sad to think that she's, that they're just like, bye. Bye. But I also, apparently, part of The Bachelorette was she's supposed to, she was supposed to be also championing that she was going to be a part of dancing with the stars. And now all the word on the street is like, they think all that's up in the air. so they can't say that. And so the most likely she's not going to be on it,

but like that was supposed to be there like, you know, the thing that was getting everybody. But I mean, they've got like Amara Higgins, but I guess now they're trying to pivot because they had been hinting that like there was going to be a bachelorette on the show.

So now they're going to have to try and like fill that role is at least what the, the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, is on the reality internet. Yeah. And I honestly can't imagine any of the other bitches from Secret Lives of Mormon Watch. I was being that good on Dancing with the Stars.

They got the two good bitches. Exactly. And now Jen Affleck is doing her own spinoff because they're starting to do Secret Lives of Mormon Wives like, Down Under, but not Down Under, just down south, just because they're in California. Ah, right. Not, I shouldn't have said Down Under. I just met South. They're not getting shipped off to Australia, although put him in a cargo plane,

and I would watch just a reality show of the edits of them all trapped in a cargo plane on the way to Australia. Like if that they find out what if that's, they think it's going to be first class but they get there. It's a cargo plane. They got to be strapped to the bottom of the plane and then they just shoot that whole flight.

Yeah. I'd watch that in a heartbeat. Yeah. Yeah, I would watch that in a heartbeat. I'm happy for Jen. I don't think that she, I like Jen. You know, I've always rooted for her. I was surprised to find out that she's the one having a spin-off. You know, the thing about Taylor Frankie Paul is that She is the most, like, television friendly of all of them.

She knows how to be on TV. She is also obviously the most mentally unwell and in desperate need of mental health treatment that she has been begging for on camera for years. And so, yeah, but I also, speaking of California and speaking of California, here we got. And also speaking of reckoning with the passage of time, I feel like in my head, Dylan Spouse was still an NYU student, even though he's a few years younger than us only, and he is a full-grown man with a wife. And he lives in California, and that's what I learned. He lives in L.A.

That's what I learned this week when we saw the story that Dylan Spouse, brother of Colesprouse, who you may remember from twin of Colesprose, please, given the respect he deserves. You may remember him from Big Daddy or Sweet Life of Zach and Cody. And there was an intruder on the property. and Dylan Spouse bashed him over the head and everyone's thirsting over him and everyone's talking about how he's

the better brother and they're right. And it's so funny because now he's doing these interviews and people are asking him like oh, how was it? And he's like you're like, what did you do? How did you act? And then he's just been like, I went, bap! And then I was like, bam! And then even just seeing him do that in the interviews

makes me like him even more. And I love that the internet is now just like He protected his wife inside of his home. Look at this man. This is a big, oh, man. It's pretty good. He tackled him. And then he held him at gunpoint until the police arrest.

That's wild. He got the gun away from him and then held the gun to it and that is, I mean, I want to say it's, I think it's a green light. Like, I think that this is a, it's definitely a, it's a green flag. Oh, he's like, I appreciate. I know green light, I'm going. I'm going. rip like through him. It's a green light with a green flag attached.

And, you know, if you ever did listen to Riverdale Roundup, you heard me and Jackie reckon with, you know, should we thirst for the Spouse brothers? Because, again, they are only like... Even though Dylan had nothing to do with Riverdale. He did not mean nothing to do with it. He was off, like, he was making his own... I think he makes his own, like, hops. I think he's one of those guys.

I think he, like, makes his own beers or something. He honestly has followed the path of the child actor that I really love, where it's just like, I'm going to just go do. weird stuff and try not to be that famous. And I love that for him. But Jackie really thirsted for a short time over Cole Spouse in the early seasons of Riverdale. Oh, just me?

Oh, just me. Okay, but that's why I'm saying we agonized over it because in my head, those guys are younger than us and they are really just a few years younger than us. But it felt wrong. And so I was like, I can't thirst over that guy, that guy who's now in his mid-30s. It is funny. They are only a couple years younger than this. I think it's because they played teenagers,

so we felt so yucky even saying that they were cute. But in reality, like, it's way more understandable for us to feel that way about where we are now versus like a Robert Irwin. Like, he is a child. Like, I really, even though I don't worry in my own time, I'll babo, babo. But really, he is, like, if in reality, I don't want to kiss a 21-year-old, especially boy. just so that's the opposite of what I want. Yeah, no, I don't want to and I won't. They are 33, which we have established from last week,

firmly in the millennial category. Yes. And, yeah, I got to say, I've never really, yes, I did feel some stirrings for Jughead as a character. And yes, also Jackie was attracted to Jughead, not Cole Spouse, which is an important distinction. But I got to say that this, as I am with the rest of the internet in thinking that Dylan Spouse tackling the intruder

and then holding him at gunpoint, is nice. I'm glad he didn't kill him. I'm glad he didn't hurt him. Yes. I'm glad he kept everybody safe. And I'm also glad that he didn't get hurt. I'm glad that like nobody got, I mean, I don't know. It seems like the guy got tackled and I don't know what about the criminal necessarily. But it is, I feel like there could have been a lot more like machismo aggression in this. And I appreciate that he at least just did the right thing and just protected himself and his wife inside of his home. And that's, I mean, it's yummy. It's yummy to see.

I mean, it's disgusting for me to say that. It's honestly, it's almost as disgusting as, let me see what them biggies taste like. Hey, MJ, give me them beetes. I want to see what them biggies taste like. You are so confused. I'm talking about Lee Kronin's, the mummy that just came out, that everybody is talking about. because MJ, there's also a sequel to the mummy coming out soon.

Like Brendan Fraser is the mummy. And yes, the Brandon Fraser. There is that. And I think a lot of people felt or thought that this was going to be that. Like I talked to a few people that were like, I thought Brennan Fraser was going to be in this. No, this is, it's called Lee Kronin's mummy.

And everyone goes, oh, who's Lee Kroen? The guy that wrote and directed this film. It's their version of the mummy and not having anything to do with Brendan Fraser's version And it's the same person that made Evil Dead rise And it is a yucky yucks movie About a demon of sorts getting trapped inside of a child And it was just so funny because over the weekend

It was so cartoonish We heard three such differing We heard one review that was like It's so scary You gotta go see it. It's so scary. I got one review that was the stupidest fucking movie I've ever seen. And then I got one review of, I mean, it wasn't scary, but it was really gross. And that's where I landed in the camp of the spectrum of this movie. And I just thought it was, you very rarely hear of a movie to that, like, especially like in a horror movie and especially the kind of horror people we know, usually everybody kind of has. has a similar feel for a horror movie that we go see. And it was so funny that I was like, did I immediately make fun of the person who was like,

this is a genuinely very good movie? Yes, we've made fun of him to quite an extent at this point. He now knows, even though he keeps, no, but he keeps saying, he keeps saying that we're wrong, Rob, and he keeps saying that we're wrong, but we're not wrong. and yeah, I'm throwing some last podcast shade. I'm throwing it into the other studio, all right? Yeah.

But he also, what I love about Rob is that he's the kind of person that loves movies. And he is just a, he's a celebrator of movies. And that's what I love about him. But sometimes I'm like, this, really? Is this what we're saying here? I love you, babe. But I don't think so. I was just really excited.

But at one point, her little sister, is close to a door and she's got her toes there and then the sister who has a demon inside of her underneath a tongue comes from underneath the door and starts licking her toes and says let me see what them piggies taste like and I laughed until I thought I was going to throw it like let me see what them piggy's taste like which is very genuinely that is a scary happy it seems like something you would say. I know. It's Jackie Coded.

Did whoever wrote the Disney, is Lee Cronin a page 7 fan? Let me see what them big he's taste like. And I felt so bad because it is a scary moment, but Jeff and I immediately were like,

ah! I'm like trying to not ruin it for everybody, but we did laugh very hard. And so I've just been saying between fallacios and shit and let me see what them biggie states like, I'm becoming a creeper of Burbank right now.

Now it's like, don't let me out there, right? Because I'll get at you, babies. I thought that you'd think that after, you know, everything Linda Blair went through, we would be done making young children act like they have a demon inside of them. It was just the tongue, though, so it wasn't the, it wasn't the child having to do it at least. Oh, okay.

It was just the tongue. Anybody, and that could have been anybody's tongue. That is one of the, I think, the letterbox reviews we saw that was just like, at the end of the day, an eight-year-old named Katie is just not that scary. You know, it's like it is still a child. But some people, though, find entities within children so much scarier. I mean, the exorcist is the scariest, one of the scariest movies ever made. But think of what they put that child through.

And you know that this child didn't go through any of that, but that's a thing. So they cover it instead with like the crazy CGI and everything is crazy. So none of it. that like, you know why Linda Blair was so fucking scary? It's because she was traumatized. Right, right. And that made great cinema. Oh, did it make amazing cinema?

But, you know, we're not supposed to talk about the kids, I guess, and not think about, honestly, even just thinking of the school system and how much they turned their backs. I saw some meme that was talking about Mrs. Doubtfire and how the lead daughter. in it that was in like multiple things. She got kicked out of school because she missed so much school while shooting Mrs. Doubtfire. So they kicked her out of school. So Robin Williams

wrote a note to the principal as this like way of like if you could let her back in that would be really great. They don't let her back in. No. But they framed the picture of the Robin Williams because he signs about him

and they framed it and put it up in the office. but they didn't let her back in the school. I was just like, you're turning your back on a child. That is, that is what is happening here. Whoa. Ridiculate. And I'm not saying, I don't feel for like, you know, I'm not talking about like the teachers I have to go through, like trying to teach someone.

It's like, hold her back a year, sure. Like there's something, but to take her out of school forever? I saw a really interesting interview with the guy who plays, who played Reese and Malcolm in the middle and is now still playing Reese, who was like the third. brother, the one who was kind of a, you know, a goof. I mean, I'm a booker now. I get you. Yes. And it's also very funny because all these interviews with him, he is so nice. He just like seems like an incredibly nice guy. And he played such a jerk of a brother. But he was doing this really, he did this really, really interesting interview where

he talked about the Francis character in Malcolm the Middle, who is the oldest brother. And he was like always like off at like military school. And he was rarely like in the house. And the actor who played Reese was explaining that because the whole show was, was a set full of children. The other, him, uh, Frankie Munez and the younger one were, you know, were all children. And so there's like limits on how many hours children can film, obviously, which is why shows love twins. Um, and there's like requirements for how-treat them like little piggies. That's how you do.

Just treat them with food. Yeah. Trade one out, put another in. But, but he was saying because all three of them, there was limits on how often, how much they could work and how much they had to be in school that, and it was such a kid-centric show that he was like, the writer's real. that they just wouldn't be able to like film enough in a day because the kids were in all the scenes. Like all the parents' scenes also had kids with them. And so they added the Francis character being away from home so that they could keep filming, so that they could have a full day of shooting essentially with an adult actor being one of the kids because all of the scenes

with Jane Casmaric and Brian Cranston also had kids in them so they couldn't, they just couldn't film that much. So that's why Francis is there. Isn't that cool? makes so much sense. Yeah. I was like, well, look at you, respecting the work hours and the education of the three child actors on the show. That's great. I mean, yeah, I imagine they probably couldn't get around it, but hopefully, like, and I'm seeing that like all of them doing the reboot too, like, at least it means that, of course, in my brain, now I'm so obsessed with the two of them as parents that I'm like, they would never have let anything bad happen to those kids on that set. Like, I bet, like, I was like,

And I didn't even have to worry about it. It seems like all of them that none of them went through the experience that it seems a lot of child actors unfortunately went through. And in my brain, it had nothing to do with any of their parents and only had to do with Brian Cranston and Jane Casbrack that were taking care of them because I was like they never. Because oh, someone wrote in and I want to say thank you. I'm actually going to look up the Patreon comment. Yeah. Was it about the one who said that they had worked on a show with Jane Casmarick and that she is a lot. like her character in Malcolm in the Middle. That is what it was. Was it a page run or was it a page seven? I don't remember, but it was so, I love, yeah, I was like unofficially just here to say that Jane Casamac is, uh, may have been playing, you know, a version of herself on Malcolm the Middle, which I am so, so profoundly happy to hear.

So, I'm so happy that it's just a bit of an exaggerated version of who she is in real life. And that just makes me love her even more. It makes me love the show even more. I'm like, of course she is. I know. Of course she is. Like that's a, now I want, now I want to get to know the two of them on such a different level. I am, I'm very late.

I'm late to the Malcolm in the middle party. All right. And I'm, but I'm just happy to be here. Well, and also, apparently there is now like a documented phenomenon where when you watch it, if you watch it when it was on, you are identifying with the kids. And if you watch it now, you're identifying with the parents, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

Pretty. I mean, you know, I get it. And it is, I'm watching. Jeff go through this because he is one of three boys as well. And so every time, and I ask him like, did you, was there a lot of this experience? And he's like, we lived in our own world. He's like, three boys. He's like, we were always like, our parents had no idea what we were doing, what we were getting into. We were always like breaking things and getting into schemes and always coming up with new. Like he's like, you just, he's like, I feel like like a gaggle of little boys get such a bad rep.

when in reality he's like, we created such worlds that we had built. Like, he's like, yeah, we were fighting all the time. Yeah, you're punching each other while you do it. But he's like, but we also like had reasons for everything that we did. And I love that that he's like, I feel like a gaggle of little boys get the bad rap. Yeah. No, love, boys are great. They just, boys are fighting.

Boys are fighting. Boys are fighting. I mean, those are our Jersey Shore boys. That depends on which. It depends on where the gaggle of boys is, I guess, if we're talking about the Jersey Shore boys. Well, they're up to no good. They're trying to put their drugs in their shoes. I keep quoting the drugs in the shoes all the time.

Yeah, the drugs in the shoes. I keep thinking about Mike Sorrentino's. I didn't come this far just to come this far because I'm four weeks from graduating grad school. And Jay, you're so close. And I keep telling myself. Just to come this far. I didn't come this far. I didn't come this far.

You are the fact that you're even here. doing this show while you're in the final throes of grad school. Do you have to do a disradation? No, no, no, no, no, no, okay. No, I'm not that smart. No, this is, this is, this is not. Don't say that. You're very smart.

You're very smart. You chose to go back to grad school. I can't imagine alighting my brain in that fashion ever again. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm so glad it's still there, man. Ooh, every time I write a paper, I'm like, still, still thinking. still got it. Still got it.

No, no. I'm just, it is a, it's, I'm, all the, all the hard work of this program at the final year is thankfully not a dissertation or a thesis or anything. It's just being in schools, which I love. Yes. So that's fine. But I did, I, I am feeling like I didn't come this far just to come this far. And now I'm thinking I need to go to the situation store and maybe get that shirt to

wear it graduation. Whoa. I think you do need to wear it underneath the, like, your suit and robe. We didn't come this far, just to come this far, because you have to keep that in your brain. Yeah, that's what I'm saying to myself for the next four weeks. You've got this. You're going to absolutely kill it. And we all know it.

And we've all been watching your success. And it's so beautiful to see. And it's going to be worth it. It's going to be worth it. Thank you. I imagine you just wait up, just like up at night. Just like, is it worth it? Is it going to be great.

It's just a question of like, where else? will I cry. You know, in my 20s, I was crying on the train, crying at the bar, you know, crying walking down 2nd Avenue in Manhattan. And now it's harder because I'm crying in my neighborhood, crying in front of the children's school. And everybody knows who you are because now everybody knows, like, now you with your kids and now everybody knows who you are. And they're like, oh, that parent is crying.

Yeah, yeah. I need to find. Makes sense that parent is crying. I probably got to cry on page 7 at some point soon, you know. And even though April could edit it out, Maybe I'll ask her to leave it in. What we're going to find out? You know, sometimes you've got to roll those dice, MJ,

and sometimes you've got to see what those piggies taste like. Palacios and shit. I do want to give a big shout out to the person that sent me. I had no idea. And this has nothing to do with any of the stories. But someone told me that there is a taskmaster advent calendar. And I want to say thank you. I am going to immediately purchase it.

And I've been recently, and I'm sad because I meant to bring it up when Kara was on, only because she is much better friends with him, even though we're friends. But now I feel like I got to hit him up. Kamele is on Taskmaster right now. Oh, fun. And it is so fun because I knew that Kumail loved Taskmaster, and it's so funny because he found it around the same time that Jeff and I found it. And I remember us talking about it.

And he bent over backwards because it's so funny. Jason Mansukas did it in the last season. That was like the first time an American celebrity was on. And now Kumal is on it. And it's so wonderful to watch people that were because he was so obsessed with the show that he knew he had to be on it. But he also knew that like, and Jason Mansuka said the same thing. They both lost money to do the show.

They wanted to do the show so badly that they lost money and they didn't care because they wanted to do it so desperately. It's my favorite show. It's by far my favorite show. Wow. It is. And I love that like Kumel also found it in 2020 like during a dark, which is when we found it. So it was like it was the bright spot of our quarantine was living in Taskmaster. And I also can, and I'm saying this now, I would also at some point in my.

life, God, I'd do anything to be on this fucking show. Oh, I want to be on taskmaster so badly. Manifest it. I, I, that's why I'm saying it into a microphone right now. And, you know, maybe, you know, I, I've made jokes about being on Dancing with the Stars, but I don't truly feel that I could really do that. But Taskmaster, I could fucking do. Yeah. And I, we've played like a, Jeff has been the Taskmaster. Like, we, like, there's like, there's, like, games and ways in which you can do Taskmaster stuff yourself. So, we, we've played. So, we've played, we've, like, we've, We had, when we got together with a bunch of family, we put together tasks and Jeff was the taskmaster and we played like a bunch of it. It's so, such wholesome, wonderful fun. It makes, it's the most wholesome part about me is how much I love Taskmaster. I'm going to try to see if I can get Gideon to start watching it because I know you talked about it all the time. I just haven't started it.

We are almost done with season two of the comeback. Season one of the comeback has many, many episodes. season two has like eight episodes. The comeback is so incredibly good, but it is just exquisitely painful. It's just so uncomfortable. I mean, it's why I started watching it. And I was like, I can't. I don't think I can do this right now. And I couldn't believe how much, you know, I talked about like season two is 10 years later.

And so you're coming back into a totally different media landscape. And I was like, how is this going to work? And God, they killed it. And I'm so excited then to watch season three, which is the one that just started. but it's like it is exquisitely painful. It is all, it is like, it is so, I'm like, why am I depressed? Many reasons. But maybe one of them, one of them could be the comeback and maybe I need some past

massacre in my life. But while we're talking TV, Jackie, can we finally, can we finally talk about trust me? You want to talk about trust me? The false prophet on Netflix, which I am exclusively referring to as a Mormon documentary made by Kitty from Arrested Development because this person who made this documentary. Christine. She is giving such Judy Greer as Kitty vibes.

She really is. And what a kitty took down the FLDS. You know. Say about these. But it's the FLDS. It's just so quick. We've been making so many Arrested Development jokes. I'm like, I need to just throw it back on.

I mean, I've seen Arrested Development a thousand times because I used to have like the DVDs and I would just put it. Same. the DVD on and just have it on in the background. But I think I need to sit. I think my soul needs a little rewatch, not with the newer episodes, just with the OG.

Yeah, and that's season four. I also have been craving a rewatch. I've also been thinking about, like, are my kids old enough to watch a rest development? I don't think they'll get it. I don't know if they'll get it either. Yeah. But I feel like it's one of those shows that I like,

I want to like introduce to them. Like I introduce the Simpsons, you know? I want to like shepherd them into the joy of the rest development. But we're not talking about arrest development, even though we are talking about Christine, who is like the, so Christine, just again, picture kitty from arrested development, but she and her filmmaker husband are regular people-ish. Throughout the course of the documentary, you learn Christine's backstory and it's wild. But you meet them and they appear to be kind of regular people slash filmmakers who choose to

move to Short Creek, which we learned from that other Mormon documentary, which I always call eat, sleep, pray, obey. like eat pray love, but it's keep sweet pray obey. Yes. And that place where all the FLDS people live with a plural marriage and the Warren Jeffs and the child brides and all of that. There was a big old documentary about that. And it's like this documentary picks up where that left off. They go to this place known for a plural marriage.

And they're like, we're going to see what we can do. I want to throw this out there. I have been told because everybody knows I love getting lost into the world. of Mormon doggie series. I like the Mormon television shows. I'm fascinated by the priesthood. I'm fascinated. You know?

And to me, I'm fascinated by the cult of what it is. And so when a friend of mine told me to watch Trust Me the False Prophet, I was like, all right, oh, it's another, oh, it's another, oh, it's a bad Mormon. And she's like, no, this is a different one. I think you're going to want to watch it just because. and it's so funny because she said,

for someone that loves Dear Zachary, I think you'd find it interesting. And I was like, oh, God, what does that fucking mean? Don't invoke Dear Zachary at me. I feel like, yeah, that is like a tomb that every time I hear the phrase, Dear Zachary, I'm just like,

ugh, but like in the way in which she meant is that like Dear Zachary, trust me, the false prophet is unfolding as they're shooting it and as it's happening. And that's also what has that is, and that's not even giving anything away, like about Dear Zachary or about this is that it is just,

that is what the crossover is of watching something unfold and finding out more information as the people that are making it are finding out more information. And it, I was gripped. It's one of these documentaries where you just spend the entire time being like, I can't believe you have footage of this. I can't believe the footage that she got.

And because essentially, so Christine was in the FLDS and also, and Kara was right, so she does have a podcast on exactly right. And so I guess she probably gets into other cults and things like that, which go for ha. Right. She's like a, she is like, was it the FLDS that she was a part of? She talks about basically being taken, okay, because she talks about being taken in by like a predator cult leader and exploited. sexually exploited and then freeing herself, which has then given her this interest in, like, finding other people who are victims of cults and freeing them. Because she understands how a per- because she was like, I mean, also MJ, I immediately thought

of you because of the puppets because she was like, I immediately. But like, think about that though. She's a ventriloquist. She was a ventriloquist. She was very into puppets. But even then, like, she lost herself to such an extent that, like, she lost all of her interests she like she knows how a person can be swept up in in in in someone that is this charismatic leader like she understands in a way and so she has an empathy that that other people just

wouldn't have and yes her husband told us who makes music videos they both choose to move to this place in a way to help the women that were, they felt any of them, and they didn't feel that all of them were, they were just wanted to help the people that they felt were trapped in FLDS. And that's why they originally came, because usually they don't allow outsiders into this space. But because of her background, it was like, oh, okay, well, she's, she's understanding of this space.

And they started just shooting. around like when they first got there they had heard the name Samuel Bateman but it was more in a way of he was someone that was kind of shunned from the community a little bit because he had I believe it was like he had been

divorced a couple to like he was like kind of like I'm going to say it it seemed like he was already chosen as kind of a loser a total loser A complete loser but also because again this documentary like literally feels like a

picks up where Eat Sweet Prey O'Bay left off because remember Warren Jeff's, the previous cult leader, or if you will, of the FLDS, the prophet of the FLDS who was also doing mass child, you know, sex abuse and was sent to prison then. He told everybody in the FLDS community in Short Creek, none of you are allowed to have sex because I'm not having sex because I'm in prison. And none of you are allowed to procreate, even though in the FLDS and, And of course, they say it in a more godlike way, but essentially, you better push one out every year or else you ain't good enough. If you're able to push one out, you best be pushing one out. And so everyone is kind of like lost without their profit.

Because now they don't know what to do. They're here to be pushing them out. Like they got to be pushing them out. So then also it's like, but then we can't fuck. So like what are we supposed to do? And how? And they're all like, just talking about the adults here. But yeah, like they're like kind of like they're lost and they're.

kind of like horny and they're like still they're lost and horny you know we can all relate to that and then yeah this big old loser comes in and he's like oh i'm the prophet and starts doing the exact same predatory because he lies to all of them and says that he knows that Warren jeffs is actually dead and that they're lying and that he passed on the god talk the prophet hat yeah the Prophet baton has been passed to Sam. Past Sam. Sam Bateman. But none of these women have any outside conversation. Like they can't, you know, they can't prove this.

They can't. And all they know is that this man is now telling all of them, God speaks through me. I am actually the prophet. We can all fucking have babies. We can have babies. And a lot of the women were like, the adult women were like, I really want a baby. Thank God. My purpose. Yeah.

This is what my purpose is. And he's. So that's why it also goes to show, you're like, why would this loser then rise? It's because he like opened up the fuck baby gate. Well, also the fuck baby gate. But I meant fuck two baby spectrum, but I meant no, unfortunately. And he opened that. Why open?

Is this going to be the day I cry out page seven? Uh-huh. Yeah. Because, yes, not only is he, does he have a bunch of sex with adults who then get to have babies and they're all very happy. but he takes all of these women and then takes their minor children and they have nothing to be able to say about it because he's the prophet he's the prophet and this and so christine petriloquist documentarian extraordinary this bitch she's like okay so what i'm going to do because you know on which is ridiculous that you know a person that's 18 that gets caught for like breaking and entering, they might get 10 years in prison, but Lord, help if a fucking pedophile gets put away for that long. You have to have so much proof to be able to actually do something in the system.

So Christine is like- And also it seems like the local police are kind of just like let them do their thing. Let them. Let them. It's right the fucking let them theory. Yeah, they're Mel Robbins in this shit. They're Mel Robbins. Yes. And it's because of money. You know it's all because. because of money. Right. And so they were, they're doing their let them. So Christine ain't letting fucking nobody do nothing.

She's not going to let them. Oh, no, no. And so, but it is, you're watching the path of this woman then, become very good friends with Samuel Bateman and all of them in ways of getting enough information to be able to take him fucking down from the inside out. And she then has,

and then you watch as she. She has to see if, like, any of the mothers are on her side. Can she get any of them? But how is she supposed to do that when she's never left alone with them? And she said, so she knows it, guys, this docu-series is wild. And then you watch her leave. And afterwards, she's just sobbing and just being like, I know what he's doing to them. I know.

And, like, she keeps going to the police. And she keeps going to the police. And they're like, not enough. Not enough. I know. Not enough. It's crazy making to watch her, you know, she has this video, thousands of hours of video of this man who lives with a bunch of children.

And yeah, the police and the FBI are like, not enough. And so, yeah, she's like, she spends literal years befriending these women telling them, you know, and they're all, they say goodbye, they say, I love you, I'll see you tomorrow. They're so close. They're at each other's houses. They're chatting. And then not only Christine, but also one of the most. mothers of the child bride.

Julia. Julia, God bless. She's like, wait a minute. I think this is actually really fucked up. I think I don't want my children married to this man. And so she becomes a mole, too. So it's kind of about the collaboration of Ventriloquist documentarian, Moll, Christine.

And FLDS, my children are married to this guy, mole. He's raping my children. I want him gone. I want him gone. But she also knows. You can't just do that. Yeah. And so it's about them trying to figure out how to do it.

And it is fascinating. Oh my God. And I can't even. Christine, you're doing the law. I mean, different kind of law than what they're following. You are doing the loads of work. Like that is, I, and imagine. And just thinking of Christine and Tolga, like, as a couple of just like him being like,

I'm going to help you. Like, we're going to do this. Yeah. Tolgo's just alone for the ride. He's just, and he's like, all right, let's fucking do it. And he uses, you know, obviously his expertise, which is shooting and because he makes music videos and stuff like that to be able to shoot as much as they can. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's like, and so not only do you have this, this incredible kind of like heist situation, whatever you call it, when you're like a mole and you're trying to break down this hugely entrenched, protected, religious cult experience, but then you also get like the point of view of the people in the cult and like the point of view of what it's like to be in a cult and then slowly start to see things clearly, which is also incredibly well done. Obviously, there's plenty of cult documentaries, but again, to see it in real time, to see it unfolding, to see the people before your eyes change from blind followers to people

who start to realize like, oh, shit. Oh, my God. Shit, what have I been doing? It's that part of the- Because if you're not the prophet, you're just raping my children. And like for them to get to the point to understand and like and what that means and how do they reckon themselves. And it's I, you know, I do a lot to try to not be upset all the time because I do like to watch very upsetting things. But then I just sat and I swallowed all of the episodes in one sitting.

Are you serious? Oh, I'm just like, because Jeff was out. You was like playing mage with Jared Logan and they were out play. And so I was like, I'm just going to see. And then I got home and I was like, never trust. You can never trust anything. Wow. And it's four episodes, guys.

So I am shocked to hear that Jackie did this, but, you know, she does love. That's what I do with my time as he plays as make a leave. Yeah, I do. I love to be upset. And I, so that's why again, when my friend told me to watch it, I was like, I don't know if I could do. And I'm happy. I'm not happy I watched this one, but I am,

I'm inspired and fulfilled in a different way of watching people try to rise above. Like, even like, I imagine if you realized what you were allowing to, you know, like if you were going through that and that process of even getting to the place where you can still, like, that she, that Julia gums on the docu series to talk about this, that like, I, I don't think. therapy exists in the world of the LLDS, but I hope that she is at least processing it through proper avenues. Yeah.

Because I can't imagine it's hard enough for me to sleep at night. And I'm just thinking about uncomfortable things I say aloud, you know? Yeah, yeah. Right. The process in which all of these people who were in a cult now have to reckon with, like, the harm that they were not knowingly complacent, with, but still complacent with because they were in the cult. Like, that part is really interesting. It's just one of those, I can't remember now the name of that extremely upsetting documentary that

was all the body cam footage about this horrible, like, racist killing. Oh, my God. Yes. Yes. I always love documentaries, um, except dear Zachary, but I, you know, I love, I really, really like documentaries. And I think that anytime that, you know, there's just this like kind of brand new experience of how you're experiencing it, like the one that was all police worn body cams, it was just like, I've never seen a documentary like this, and this was also like that, where it's just like, you are, you are just seeing this whole scheme unfold over the course of years. And this extremely, this community that has, again, been, you know, kind of allowed to do plural marriage. And the whole thing with Warren Jeff's and the Keep Sweet Pray Obey documentary

was kind of just like, all the local authorities just being like, yeah, we kind of know that he's married to a bunch of kids. But what, um, what, you're going to do, you know, and to see... Because of the money, because it fucks with their money. And you know that they bring in a lot of money. And I'm sure that there's a lot of, I would assume, people in pockets. I think that that's kind of how it goes, unfortunately, especially in little places of evil like this.

Yeah. And it all gets covered up, but not while Christine's around. Yeah. Well, Christine's around. Not while Christine's around. Never sleep on a ventriloquist. Well, and don't sleep next to one either. I don't know if I trust it.

I'll be like, I don't know where the voices are coming from. I did, before we, before we route out this show, I did want to bring up because I am, you know, I'm a little upset because I went from, I was seeing these headlines talking about beef season two. Did you watch, you watch beef season one? I did not watch beef. No, okay. I love Ali Wong, but I did not watch beef. Yo, season one of Beef is an unbelievable series of television. It is like, it cannot be replicated.

And season two of Beef, I was just seeing, I saw multiple headlines that were just like, Season 1 it is not. Oh. And I, so at first I was like, I guess I don't want to watch it because I just keep kind of seeing these like middling these reviews of it. But man, I started watching it and the C, the C, the C, the C, The cast is on, I mean, let me just pull up the cast for us. Oh, yeah, because you were talking about, you were talking about Reggie.

Reggie is there. Charles Melton. Honestly, it's Carrie Mulligan. I always forget Carrie Mulligan's name, even though she's such an amazing actress. It's Oscar Isaac and Carrie Mulligan in a relationship. I didn't even know Oscar Isaac. So I put on the first episode, I was like, oh, Oscar Isaac's in this, I'm going to watch it. Then I saw Terry Mulligan's in it.

I'm going to watch this. Then, I mean, Reggie's there, Charles Melton. I'm going to watch this. And I really do like Kaylee, Spain, I think is how you say your name. What was she in? She was in that, the Civil War. That's what you. And Priscilla.

Yes. And she was great in Priscilla. I was like, I feel like I've seen her in other things and she was great in other things. And it is the four of them. And I'm four or five episodes deep. And I ripped through the four or five. I think that it seems. and I was reading this review of like a Redditor that I did really agree with that it's ironic that people think that season two is boring because it is like I feel like people are so fixated on the superficial issues of this season.

It's not as explosive as the first season. Uh-huh. But instead, it's watching really, and genuinely good actors spiral and like, because, like, because, be able, it's like being trapped, like the horror of being trapped in a horror, toxic cycle. Uh-huh. Of your own making. Of your own morals being ripped to shreds as time goes on with every flow of the cycle. And it's heavy and it's suffocating and like how you abandon your morals for status and

and being locked into this. And I thought that as for, and I, first I was like, you know, oh, it's Reggie. I really, Reggie's killing it. He's playing this like Golden Retriever dopey boy husband that really loves his wife. Like it is, but in a much better written space. Because he was also in that one May December. And I feel like he was good at it. I feel like I didn't love May December, but I liked, but I didn't hate it either.

And I remember being like, I'm happy for Reggie. So I'm still happy for Reggie. I remain happy for Reggie. But it's nice to hear that he is a good actor because we were discussing before we started recording are any of the Riverdale actors good actors besides Lily Reinhart. And now apparently Reggie we can add to the list. And I think that's where the list stops, except for Cheryl. Cheryl's also good. Yes.

Yeah. I mean, even though she's not in anything good. I love Cheryl. but Madeline Petch, I feel, is getting... Honestly, if you want to go the horror girl route, you know, I'm here to watch it. Yeah. But I will...

We'll see maybe she's gonna... She's gonna be supernova in something. Somebody let Madeline Petch fly, okay? Because she's got so much there. I just love her. But I am very happy to hear about Reggie spreading his wings and flying. Because, yes, I think that the Riverdale cast

needs new... opportunities now that because no one's thinking about Riverdale the way that we think about Riverdale. No one ever think. No one is calling him Reggie. I know that. He wasn't even the O.G. Reggie.

I feel like that's something that... Oh, yeah. That's right. He's not even the original Reggie. He's Reggie too. And we still call a Reggie. So his name is Charles Melton and he is a, he is a talented actor. I really...

And also, I believe it's Yun Yu Jung, who's also in Minari, is amazing in Beef Season 2 as well. And it is, I, I'm really, I'm wrapped up in it. And I went into it being like, okay, is this just going to be a borough snorro? But I'm also just a little simp for watching good actors, being good actors and fun scenes. So I don't think it's boring. But I haven't watched the whole thing yet. So let me know.

what you guys think. Okay. And like weigh in on Beef Season 2 because I think that it's really getting a bad, I think it's getting bad headlines. I mean, I'll watch Oscar Isaac read the dictionary. I don't care what he does. And also, it's so funny because I always know Oscar Isaac is such a good actor when you

can watch him in something and get an ick from him because he's just so beautiful and so talented that for him to play a character where you get icked out, I'm like, he can do anything. Yeah. Because I'm not wanting to, well, that's not true. The characters, things change. There's, you know, they grow in different ways. Your desire to kiss Asker Isaac is doing like a kombucha face throughout the course of the season. Yes, it's marinating within itself.

To be good for my body is what's happening. Oh, man. You know, I'd say check it out if you were into the first beef, but also if you, I guess if you hated it, you might like this too. So. Okay. I do need one quick question because I keep seeing everything. There's a lot of people talking about a wishbone documentary is coming down the pipeline. The dog?

The dog. Not the dressing. We're talking about the dog. And I'm worried. The dog or the bone. Whoa. I'm worried. that is it going to be a Milo and Otis situation?

I think that they are trying to spin it as if it's like, you know, it is more than what's the story, wishbone. It's just like, look a dip up, dressed up as Hamlet. And I hope it's all just like, and then the Jack Russell's head was snapped off of his body. Like I'm waiting. I'm like, is it going to be a doc like that? And then it's like, we don't know how it got decapitated, but it just popped right off of there. When I was in high school, I had to do a school project. I was a freshman in high school and I think it was about Romeo and Juliet. Yeah, it was about Romeo and Juliet. And we had to do a school project and I had a Jack Russell. So we decided to do an episode of Wishbone with my Jack Russell and, you know, a 2001 handheld video camera. And I kind of feel like I now need to find that. But my friend has the footage still that we, we did this project with.

We tried to just replicate an episode of Wishbone, but in my house with my dog. And the dog was Romeo. And I don't remember if I was Juliet or if one of the friends was. But yes, Wishbone. Perfect show. I don't think they tortured the dog.

I don't think they would make it happen. Oh, I thought you were going to say, I don't think they torture the dog enough. And I was like, wow. Jack Russell. They want to work, you know, that one from My Dog Skip, you know, Frazier. He wanted to work.

They love to work. They're asking to work with their. eyes. Yeah, put them to work. They love to work. Unlike children, they don't want to work. Dogs, they do want to work. Dogs, they definitely want to work. See, I'm actually surprised because I feel like the only Jack Russell I've ever known were

terror. They were always like, moin, boing, boing, boy, boy. I don't know how they got wishbone. That's why I'm like, they must a bit, or what do they sedate? No, no, no. Like, what do they do in the dog? No, the reason Jack Russell's are, not to get on my Jack Russell's soapbox, but the reason

I didn't know you had one. I have one. I have one. I love, love, loved my Jack Russell. Her name was Abby. My best friend in high school is also named Abby. Oh, did we laugh? Oh, did we laugh about it? And they are, the reason Jack Russell's have a bad rap is because they are crazy unless you train them. They are a big dog trapped in a little dog's body.

And so they are crazy. Just like me. Yes. Aren't we all a big dog trapped in a little dog's body? And so if you, and they're very smart. They're so smart, but they use their smart for evil unless you really train them. And I don't know what it means to train a dog because I didn't train this dog. And so as a result, she was crazy.

Whip them real good. She was crazy. But I'll bet that that wishbone dog was trained and I'll bet he loved it. And I'll bet that that dog who played the dog and my dog skip and the dog and Fraser, same dog, by the way. Same dog. The reason I wanted a Jack Russell was because of my dog skip. which is probably also the reason Does the Dog Die.com exists.

And so I just think that Wishbone was probably very happy. And that's what I'm telling myself. Did you know they're not the same dogs, but they are related? They were primarily played by the dog named Moose and his son Enzo also helped. That's right. But Moose and his son worked together.

Moose and his son worked together. It was not related to Wishbone. Wishbone was a smooth coat, not a rough coat. And his name was soccer. His name was just soccer. That's great. Soccer ball. Just soccer.

And it does seem like it was the one, well, I guess a cursory glance, it's not a Milo notice situation. They didn't just keep killing off the bupies and the kittens and just getting other ones and putting them in their place because I need everyone to always, that is something that every time you think about Milo notice. And I know that it is often, as often as I think about it. and you think about, man, they're just throwing them into the river. And just you got to get to the shot.

You got to get the shot. And that's all that matters. That reminds me also that I, oh, but the other day the kids were like, we want to watch a movie. We couldn't figure out what movie I watched. I really want to show them hook, but we think it's too scary. And so I was like, maybe I should show you Homeward Bound, which lived in my head forever. But that I'm like, it's so sad. Like, is Homeward Bound too sad for this generation of very fragile children?

Watch all dogs go to heaven. That won't destroy them the way it destroyed all of us. I think that's a perfect one to watch. I haven't watched that since I was a kid. And I don't know if I can ever rewatch that and Brave Little Toaster. I think those are the two that I'm like, I'm too traumatized, I think, by both of those movies to ever again. God, I love the Braille Before Timer.

I was those two. I was Land Before Time and Brave Little Toaster. And I haven't showed either of them to my kids because, yeah, in the 90s, they were just like, let the children be devastated. Let him die. Teach them about parental loss early. Yeah. But I mean, that's also why he liked Charlie Brown because it shows sad kids. Well, that was good.

That is just normalizing depression in children, which really spoke to me as a child. But, yeah, I land before time, I don't think my children are ever going to be ready for that. But if you have seen Hopeward Bound recently, does it hold up? Will I traumatize my children? Should I show them? Because God, I loved that movie. But. I did want to throw it out there.

too, the What's the Story Wishbone, which perfect title, is actually going to be a docus series that is showing on PBS. So it's going to be showing on PBS. You know it's going to be good. May 27th that comes out, it's going to be good. They would never hurt a dog at PBS. But they will, you will be able to watch all of it. Like, if you don't have PBS, if you're not an MJ still tethered to, I don't even know

where you'd find PBS at this point. It will be able to be on digital release June 10. So we'll get it soon. Okay. And I don't know. And I don't, I know that you're not tethered to cable anymore, but, and we have to end this show, but this landline phone that they're bringing back, that they're now calling tin can that is a Wi-Fi usable home phone that now you can buy for your kids.

And I'm just like, we're just really, God, we don't want to live in our present day. We're reinventing the wheel. Yeah, we're reinventing the wheel. And yes, this is just like a startup company that's like, what if we can. capitalize on nostalgia for landlines, even though you can just get a landline. You can still get a landline. Like my mom just got rid of her landline. I'm like, oh, but they're still alive and kicking. Yeah. And this is like, yeah, this is interesting. It is a good idea in a way, but it's like, it's just like not a landline. It's like, it's connected to your phone because it's Wi-Fi. And the reason you can have a landline is because you can use it in cases of emergency, which you can't with this one. But it does, it does prevent your child from having a screen. So I get. it. But yes, no, we are reinventing the wheel soon. God, what's next? We're bringing back landlines. Wooden shoes. I think that's where we're going back to. I think it's like, these shoes are too comfortable. Yeah. Bring it all back. There's a lot that we can bring back. We can't all be the

Lynette Scavo's trying to hold down 2002 and it's for the best. Some of it, we have to leave in the past. Yeah. And that's okay. But when you got a Scavo, bitch got a scavo. And I really had a great episode time with you today, MJ. And I'm glad that honestly, I'm glad that we talked about, trust me, the false profit, but I'm proud of us. We didn't give too much away. And I do think everyone should go and watch it and be upset. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Please. Please go watch it. Please be upset. And yes, I also had a good episode time with you, Jackie. I love talking to you. And we love all of you guys over at Patreon and your comments. We love your emails. You guys are wonderful. And we're so glad you're here. Yes, thank you so much. And you can come join our Patreon, patreon.com slash page seven podcast.

We've got so much going on over there. And I got to say, you know I'm ahead and you know that I'm coming on the end of this Sookie Stackhouse book and I'm going to keep going. I can't stop. You're on book four. How many books are there? There's so many. But I will, every book, I find out more information and now I want to find out more of like, well, you just introduce this concept. God damn it. Now I want to see how you play with this concept. And she just, it's like, they're fun books. They're really, really fun.

And soon I'm going to be, and check out over on Patreon. We're starting to put up collections underneath the collections tab where you can, like if you're like, oh, where are all of the this book? Or you don't even know how many books I've done or where to go back and find them. We're trying to put them all into collections in one spot over on the Patreon to make it easier for people to find stuff. So check that out. And we've got, hopefully it'll be easier to find all of our, I think, what, eight years of Patreon backlog that we've been putting out many, many episodes for? Bro, I just got a message from someone that was like mentioned something, mentioned that they were watching our pretty little liars watch along.

And I was like, I didn't think that still existed. And they were like, yeah, man, it's on Patreon. It's all still there. So we're trying to dredge some of this back up because I'm fascinated by where my brain was. And I do know that I'm going to be dropping in a couple weeks of just a reminder of the beginning of where I was with doing the audiobooks with Twilight. And I think that it's, I don't know. I like live reading of an audiobook. I mean, that's why I started Jackie's Book Club in the first place is because I like, usually when you do an audiobook narration, you have to do all the work.

you read the book, you pull it all apart. But in Jackie's Book Club, I read it live as I'm doing it. So I have sidebars and we talk about the books and I, you know, I just want to get more discussions going on over there. So come check out, patreon.com slash page 7 podcast. We love hearing from you guys. And I love the community that we've built over there. Everybody have a beautiful week.

And also, I'm just throwing it out there. If you want to hide in wholesome content, there's a bunch of it over there and you can just hide in that. And you get almost all of it for $5 a month. Yes, insane. Check it out. But anyway, have a beautiful week. MJ, let's sing the song.

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