Page 7 - Second Helpings - Pepperoni Pearls

Episode Date: April 12, 2025

'Confidently Wrong' Jackie Zebrowski and MJ Knefel have now realized their mistake regarding The Hanks Children, but that ain't enough to make them wanna push through the sadness to read the newly announced CRUSHING memoir that will NOT be on Celeb Readies, 'The Baldwins' are filling Jackie with a poison that the only cure is to spew it forth as they discuss HILARIA being a True Blue American by pushing the age-old capitalist idea of monetizing every hobby you ever have on your kids, and working Alec into an early(ish) grave while they finally show one of their helpers faces on screen, Mickey Rourke continues being a disgusting bigot on 'Big Brother (UK)' as he harasses JoJo Siwa and lucks out that she knows throwing a right hook on a 72 year old would (unjustly) get blasted everywhere, 'The Naked Gun' remake trailer looks more like an action film with Liam Neeson in the lead and Jackie is PUMPED, there is an absolute abomination against mankind itself currently available for the weekend at ONE specific, off the path Pizza Hut in NYC and MJ is begging for someone to take that Plant Based Gelatinous Substance bullet for 'em, Jackie and Geoff raced through season 3 of 'Love on the Spectrum', the charge nurse on 'The Pitt' has Jackie and MJ turnin' into neckbeards like werewolves in the full moonlight, they're both finally divin' into 'Hacks' and that only took basically everyone telling them how good it was, ALERT ALERT OLIVE GARDEN HAS BEEN DETHRONED AS TOP CASUAL DINING SPOT IN U.S. ALERT ALERT Olympus has fallen, discussion of the discourse around 'White Lotus' right now, Coffee Mate made sure to let everyone know THEY didn't know about the ending before they collabed for a Piña Colada Liquid Non-Dairy Creamer, 'Bad Influence: The Dark Side of Kidfluencing' is absolutely not for everyone but everyone SHOULD be thinking about the subject, Jackie really enjoyed 'Everybody's Live with John Mulaney', AND SO MUCH MORE! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Second time. On your damn right, bottle be better. Second time around. Welcome to second helpings. Welcome. It's second hoping. I guess we have multiple songs today.

And I'm feeling it, y'all. How are you? This is now a White Lotus podcast. I'm sorry. I just need to talk about White Lotus for like six more hours before I'm ready to move on. Whoa. You're still trapped in Thailand. Is it because of Jason Isaacs?

It's because of the Jason Isaac. quote. I'm sorry. I'm also, you know, everyone's spent all week analyzing the likes and follows of Walton Gagans and Amy Lou Wood. It's, everyone has lost their minds. Everyone's gone crazy. Everyone's gone crazy. Mickey Rourke, man, this show has everything. Celebrity Big Brother UK. Yeah. I will know that that show. This, this, this second, that show has. Oh, this episode of this podcast. This episode has everything. I mean, there's just a lot. I have so much TV I want to talk about. I have so many things I want to talk about. There's a Noah Wiley profile and variety. There's Vicki Roark and Jojo, which I deeply need to talk about.

There's the whole, we were wrong about the Hank's children. There's two different moms and one of the moms is bad. One of the moms is bad. But it's not Rita Wilson. That is one thing that we do know. No, it's the other mom. Other mom. That's, it's good mom, bad mom. And man, yeah, we were so wrong about the Hank's children, by the way. We love to be confidently wrong on this show. It happens. I think it's actually good. I think it builds us up.

You know, I think it supports everybody and like, you know, you don't always have to be right. Yeah, you know, and it's this is the thing. I liked people with a lot of knowledge

and like special expertise and stuff, but it's hard to know everything about the world of the entire celebrity realm. And I really did thought that we had looked up several times about those four children. But it does make sense that in a, you know, a 47-year-old older sibling and a 29-year-old youngest sibling. That's quite an age gap to have with one family.

So it turns out it's two families. It's two families. It's two families. It turns out that Chet and Truman really got the better end of things. Yeah, and they're the older two. Must be a lot of dissent among these siblings. But I still don't know if I can be brought to read. Now, we are talking about it's Elizabeth Hanks, right?

The daughter of. Elizabeth Ann or EA, I think, is she. is just like is her like pen name. Sorry, EA Hanks and that is the daughter of Tom Hanks, but not of Rita Wilson. And the memoir that was just released, apparently, is very harrowing about Tom Hanks's first wife and the new husband that she takes on, or at least new partner that she takes on that doesn't treat the children very well. And I imagine there's probably a lot. Move. It sounds very, very upsetting. Every, you know, I keep going back. It's like, well, but I'm in the middle of reading Heather Gay's book for celebrities. And I just, you know, I'm enjoying that so much that I just

like, I don't know if I want to be that sad right at this moment. Yeah, we discussed, we're like, we have to read this memoir by EA Hanks, Tom Hanks's daughter. And then like seconds later, Jackie was like, do we really want to read this memoir? I mean, I think I want to read it, but I don't know if I want to talk about it a bunch because I think I'm just going to get sad. Yeah, we might not read for celebrities because she is admittedly not a celebrity. She is a relatively private figure. She does refer to Chet as Chester when she talks about him, which is very cute. And also, another thing I learned this week, Truman is the youngest. I thought Chet has extremely youngest child energy. He really does. But Truman is younger. Wow. And you know what, where I didn't learn anything

this week, the Baldwin's. Yeah. Oh my God. We did watch this week's episode of the Baldwin's. And everyone is about to hear us talk about it because we watched it. I feel like I'm getting to a point that like I'm filled with a toxin and it is now really like it has turned all my veins black. Yeah. And I and I don't see any more out of my eyes. I see out of like every other hole that I have, which makes it very difficult to survive. But that's what happens when you achieve level, I don't know, what is it, episode 1,800 of the Baldwin's that

were finally at? This is episode seven and for this episode they decided not to choose like one thing to focus on like a rug which is what they did for episode six. The entire theme of episode six was rug and this episode, episode seven

I'm going to say there's three themes. There is forcing your 10 year old to monetize her playtime hobby and turn it into a book. M.J., she has a book in her. You look at that 10 year old and go, that 10 year old's got a book in her, all right? I am begging you to look at your 10 year old and say, my 10 year old does not have a book in them. That's what I would like you to do. If you're a parent, look at your child, look at how they play, look at their passion and say, does this child have a book in them?

Make some money off of it. Yes. No. Turn that kid into a job. Yes. I won't monetize my child playtime into a creepy career. Repeat after me. Let's all do it together. Okay, I'm also thinking about this because of the Netflix documentary that I watched about kid fluencing, which we don't have to get into yet. But it is, I am begging us. Did you buy anything because of it?

Did they kid fluence you into purchasing anything? I want to know how effective they are. They influenced me even further into never letting my children get a public-facing social media account. But literally Hilaria Baldwin, you guys, if you did not, if we have not yet convinced you that she is the villain of the Baldwin's, not the person who accidentally shot someone, then here's what you need to know. She's talking about Carmen, the 10-year-old, who we have discussed already is extremely parentified. She has like been explicitly like by both parents have said like, yeah, she's in charge of her younger siblings. And that is something, as we talked about with

Natalie, that is something that, of course, is like a little bit. It's, I don't think that like expecting your kids to help take care talked about this too. I think it's okay and normal and perhaps can't be avoided for oldest kids to feel some responsibility for their younger siblings. But in addition to all of that, Hilaria looks at the 10 year old who loves to do quote unquote skin care, which is how a 10 year old would do it, which is like mixing coffee grounds and lemon and honey and like she doesn't, she's just fucking around. That's fine. And And Hilaria goes, she has such a passion for skin care. I think she has a book in her.

And then she makes this child, you know, quote unquote, write a quote unquote book. Yeah. And do a photo shoot. And, ooh, it's creepy. What do you have a problem with? I think it's wonderful. Get her into the world of capitalism early. I say, you know, you got to run or get run over, you 10 year old bitch.

And you got to learn now, all right? got to keep running. And meanwhile, this 66-year-old father in the family begging to retire, begging. He's like, please don't make me keep working. I don't want to keep working. I'm 66 years old. I love being home with my children, not taking care of them, mind you. He has a whole monologue about what he's home with his kids. He doesn't take care of them. He just sits in a chair and they're comforted by his presence. Honestly, I wish my father went that far. I wish that would have been great.

That would have been at least an effort. You know what I mean? Yeah. When it comes to dads, you know, neutral is positive. You know, if you're not doing harm, you're doing a great job. But yeah, he's like, I just want to sit in a chair while they do whatever they need to do. And I'm just there. And I honestly, again, very appealing of Alec Baldwin to be like, you know what?

I like that you just want to be around. And I appreciate that you recognize that you're not going to be doing the actual care of them. Like, let's all be honest here. But he's begging not to work. And so what does Alaria do? She puts the 10-year-old to work. Put her to work. Somebody's got to be making money.

We know it's not Illaria right now. Wait, I mean, soon she'll be selling Manuel not included. So she'll make money off of that. And then the other theme of this episode is the gone to the back of Alec Baldwin's personal assistant, who is just talking about what a good time she has. I love having a feminine appointment. with Illaria. Oh, I so enjoy spending my extra time with her.

She, that poor woman. That poor woman, man. But also, why haven't we seen her in seven episodes? This is hit. Like, you know this woman does everything for them. Everything. Why isn't she, she should be paid for every single episode as far as I am concerned. She has been, that's such a good point, Jackie.

She has been notably absent. On every episode. Just show her face. She can get paid. This is not, again, I'm saying this with all the nannies. They should all be getting paid out. Oh, yeah. They should all be getting paid.

And they're not. They're not showing their faces, which means they're not. And that upsets me. Absolutely. No, it is so skillful the way that they have like rendered invisible all of the labor that helps the baldwins be the baldwins. But then in this episode, they decided bring out the labor. And it is like, it, she is.

has this plastered on smile. And she's, and listen, if you really love your job and we're like projecting onto you, then I am so happy for you. I'm glad. But she's like, it is, it reads like a hostage video because she's like, everyone would have been a nanny. Yeah. I have talked to many other nannies. Yeah.

You know what's a very difficult job being a nanny? Yeah. Very difficult. Especially for parents that are just, you know, that's the thing. I, I am so. on I have hands on all the time. And that is different, and that went to a different place that I meant for it to go. But she is like always helicoptering around.

And if there is one thing that makes a nanny's life a living fucking hell, that is having the parents helicoptering around while they are just trying to do their job. Because here's the thing, kids don't want to come to the nanny when the parents are around. They don't want to. Yes. And they want to be talking to their parents. Yes. And then who gets upset at the nanny?

Who gets upset of the dannies? Yeah. The parents. Yeah. And then you're being scrutinized. You're being like you can't, not like you're going to behave in any sort of like harmful way if the parents aren't there. But it's, you know, it's like when your boss is, it's like being observed when you're a classroom teacher and the principal's sitting in the corner. Exactly.

But then, yeah, the person who we meet this episode, she's Alex's personal assistant since 2022. So you know that he probably doesn't keep personal assistance for very long. And Alec also refuses to use any kind of online. calendar. So she has to write up his schedule every day on an MS doc. MS Word document. Yeah. An MS Word document. And she must send it to him every single day.

And why? Yeah. And it's quirky. The world has changed. And I understand that, you know, him as a 60-year-old is not expected to maintain the times. But that's her job. That's why you have a decision.

You let her go on your phone. Yeah. It's all going to go in your phone. your little magic box that we take with us everywhere. Isn't that a surprise? Sorry, I didn't mean to be talking about the Baldwin's for this much. I just needed everyone to know that we did watch it this week, and I am upset because, MJ, you were listing out the bullet points of kind of what this

episode about, but really what it was about is that they're getting paid to do these, and they're just, I feel like, taken whatever scraps they can, and they're shoving it into an episode and they go, ah, is that an episode? Oh, yeah. No, they, now that they have, they keep saying that they have moved on. Oh, it's so nice that we don't have that man-slaughter charge hanging over us. Now that they have moved on, they have nothing to do, nothing to talk about. Alec Baldwin just wants to live out his days in peace, you know, and every episode is just many people being like, but you want to make more money, though, right? You want to make more money, though, right? He's 66. Let the man stop working. And he's just going,

Please let me sit in the chair. Can I sit in the chair? And they say, papa, papa in the chair. And that's all the kids need to be supported, MJ. They just need Papa in the chair. And we just need Mickey Rourke to never be on reality television or to always be on reality television because we are talking about Celebrity Big Brother UK. Okay, yeah, let's talk about this.

Which is the show that Jojo's. Siwa is currently on with Mickey Rourke, 72, and Mickey Rourke is, man, the 72 is really showing on him right now. 72. Ooh, Lord. It's essential. Yeah, you're correct to introduce him that way. And this is, okay, I'm really excited to talk about this, actually. Are you?

Because how would you feel if a 72-year-old looked at you and said, if I stay longer than four days, you won't be gay anymore? I would feel upset. is what he said to Jojo Siwa. Here's the thing. Here's what I want to say about this. If you've seen the headlines, you've probably, because it's been all over TikTok, the clips have been all over TikTok. The Huffpo headline is Mickey Roark called out for cringy homophobic cracks at Jojo Siwa.

And, you know, it is like all of the headlines are very correct to be like, Mickey Rourke said something very homophobic to Jojo Siwa. That is exactly what happened. And I will say upon watching like the whole clips, first of all, I want to say, Jojo handled that so gracefully. Don't you think, Jackie? Weird. Yes. Weirdly enough. Yes. Like very, but also sadly enough, yes. Right. Sadly enough in the way of a child star that is used to barbs and is used to being, like people being openly disgusted with her. She's used to it. And it's sad. So she knows how to deal with it. Yeah. No, you're right that it's sad that she had the, right. It's sad that she's a child. star and she's kind of like so seasoned. It's sad that she's a queer person and she has to just like kind of like

laugh like what she does in the moment is kind of like laugh through it in a way that is like yeah, very skilled for being on camera. Like he says if I stay for four days, you won't be gay anymore. And she's just like, ha ha, ha, I still will be. But like, you know, and it's tough. She's in such a tough position because you're on camera and there is this pressure. I mean, he's an extremely. famous actor. And yeah, he's kind of like everyone's, everyone's like, what's going on with Mickey Roark? It's a bit of a question mark. But like, she is, I just

really, really, really felt for her. How are you going to react on camera when someone says something homophobic? And you don't want to be, I talk about this on the show. I was just talking about this. Like, you don't want to be the like, buzz kill. You know, I don't, you don't want to be like the person who like shuts. It's, it's so hard. Obviously, what he said was. But also, it

sucks. She should be able to be. Absolutely. A hundred percent. But you're so right. If she had, she would have been ripped apart on the internet for doing that, but also supported by like us and supported by the queer community and supported by other people. But that would have been seen in another light. So I'm also very impressed by the way of like having that level of control over yourself. Yes. I would have popped the fuck off. Right. Because she could have just been like, fuck you.

Shut the fuck up. Yes. And that would have been very satisfying in its own way. But right. I just I'm and maybe I don't know. Honestly, maybe this is my own pathology because I I also deal with things like this in a non-confrontational way. And I have a kind of pathological fear of being the one who shuts everything down. And so I maybe and that is perhaps a me problem. But the way that she like, I'm not saying she like should have. I'm not saying that it's that it's good that she like laughed through it. Perhaps she should have been like, hey, that's really fucked up.

Stop it. But you know, she's a performer. You're rolling on camera. this is somebody who you may have to keep working with. She has no idea how big brother is going to react. She has no idea how the other people around her are going to react. And so it's such a hard position to be in to be like, okay, now I have this 72-year-old extremely famous actor saying something really homophobic to me.

And now however I react, I'm going to be the one in the headlines. Right. It's like such a tough position to be in. And she kind of laughs through it but still stands up for herself. She doesn't roll over. She's like, ha ha, like, no, no, I'm not. And then he says a homophobic slur. In reference to like asking, because they're in the UK asking for a cigarette.

We all understand, of course, what he was doing. And then he's like, I need a blank. Oh, I'm not talking to you. Right. And of course, she's like, you can't say that. Like, just the frustration to have just like, but it just is annoying that at some point, at least, they, in a confessional, say to Mickey Rourke, like, bro, if you keep doing this, you're going to get kicked off Big Brother. And he's like, oh, sorry.

And he kind of goes to her and gives her like a half ass like, yeah, I got a short fuse. Like, I don't mean nothing by it. Sorry. Yeah. Okay. And that's, you know that's all you're going to get out of him. Like, that's it. And I think, and right, he does, he does, there's a lot of, to me, very meaningful things that come out of this interaction beyond how she dealt with it in the moment, which is his apology, which. I think probably only happened because we know that Big Brother, like, said, you have to stop doing this, which, you know, I guess bars and hell, but good on them.

Yes. But then also that British guy who is also there with her, he, this is actually, this, and I think maybe this was why I was so moved by the whole thing, because Jojo is in this position where all eyes are on her, how are you going to react to Mickey Rourke saying something homophobic to you? and she handles it in this like, ha ha, don't, but like, I'm good way. And then that British guy was like, hey, mate, you can't say this. You got to stop. You really got to stop. You cannot do this.

And like, he is the one who jumps on Mickey Rourke to stop him so that it doesn't have to be Jojo, which is exactly what ally ship should look like. Yes. And my favorite was when that guy goes, oh, he's from a different plan. Let it. Bless him. You know, meaning I get different generation, but it's not an excuse. You're 72. You're in Hollywood. It's not like you haven't heard of queer people before. In every conflict, there's at least one bitch. A huge bitch, a silly bitch. A little baby bitch. A raggedy bitch. But sometimes it's unclear who the bitch is. I'm Kara Klank. And I'm Jackie Zabrowski. And on our new Colin Advice podcast, we're going to help you figure out who's the bitch. We want to hear your problems, dilemmas, and quandaries.

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And I'm not explaining it out. He's old. He's old and he has backwards shit thinking. And of course they brought him on there for this, though. Right. I mean, would we be talking about the show? Otherwise, no. Meanwhile, poor Jojo had like brought him into the conga line.

Did you see that clip? Like, Mickey Root walks in there all doing the conga. And Jojo's like, hey, buddy, get out in here. Like, Jojo's just trying, like, I'm sorry, but she's got such good vibes. She's just trying to have fun. She's trying to be, you know, this proud out queer young person. And then, yeah, the British guy goes to Jojo after he calls out Mickey and he's like, you got to stop.

You cannot do this. It's not done this way anymore. Like, get with it. And then he goes to Jojo. And he's like, I'm really sorry that happened. And she was like, thank you. Like, I wasn't sure if you were going to have my back or not because I don't even really know you.

And he was like, it's not about whether I have your back. It's about right and wrong. And then she starts crying. and she's like hugs him. It's so moving. It really like it was moving all around because I think that this type of interaction, even though yes, it's Mickey Roark, I think that we've all like we've all had an interaction like that with somebody.

We've all been the Jojo in that situation with a Mickey. We've all talked to a Mickey Roark. And we all need a British guy to be like, hey, stop. And then to come to you and be like, hey, you okay? And just the simplicity of it. And that he didn't, she's right. Like, he didn't have to do that. This is a competition.

It's all cut through it, whatever. And he was like, it's just about right and wrong. And, of course I'm going to stand up for you. It was so nice. And then, yeah, Mickey comes and does an apology. And again, Jojo handles it so gracefully. She's just like, all right, thank you. I thank you for your apology.

I appreciate it. Like, let's keep it moving. And it really, like, I think that this video could be shown in, like, work trainings to be like when something bad happens, here is how we handle it. Talk through, you know? Yes. And this is how we discuss. And I appreciate that at least, you know, we see a good example of that, which is surprising from a show where there are cameras going constantly and that the fact that they can even take that moment out. And I appreciate the fact that it is being shown on Celebrity Big Brother. And you said that we need a British man in our lives. But do we need Liam Neeson? How do you, I guess we've never really discussed naked gun before. Yeah, let's let's talk about the. I don't know how you feel about naked gun because there is, for those of you that haven't seen it,

the Naked Gun teaser dropped with Liam Neeson starring as Frank Dreben Jr. And it's released on August 1st. A lot of people had a lot of things to say about this teaser trailer on the internet. All across the board, personally, I grew up watching naked guns. I loved naked gun. and I am completely here for a reboot. And it is going to be completely different because, and I think that it's because the original naked guns

are way more slapstick comedy than action movie. And in the teaser trailer, this looks like, you know, a taken level of action movie in the world of naked gun. But I think that it lends itself to it. You can still have big over-the-top fun, I like adding that into the world of naked gun. But how do you feel, MJ?

Yeah, I would defer to like naked gunheads because I know that people feel so passionately about those movies. But I really enjoyed this. I was happy to see Liam Neeson like doing something besides Taken, you know? Like he is so funny. He is so funny. If you have not watched the interview that he does with the Dairy Girls. He's so like such a.

I think that's also why I further love Liam Neeson taking this role because Leslie Nielsen was so funny. Yeah. But then you watch that, I specifically think of the segment of creep show. There is, so creep show is an anthology horror movie. It's like one of the classics. And there is a segment of this anthology that is still creeps me the fuck out.

And it is starring Leslie Nielsen. And he plays this very, like, real, just creep-ass character, and I had loved him in Naked Gun. And then seeing that at a young age, change the game for me that, like, I feel like Leslie Nielsen is what opened me up to like, oh, you could be funny, but also be able to pull off dramatic acting, which I know that's silly that it was Leslie Nielsen that opened that up for my brain. But it's like he just was, like, I was so, in.

love with Leslie Nielsen and I understand the upset that some people have because like you said, Naked Gun series is very, very big to many, many, many people, but I'm here for it. Yeah. I just want more of it. I'm down. I love Liam Neeson. I think this is a good excuse to rewatch all the original naked guns in preparation for this. And then, like I said, if people are like, this isn't in the spirit of the original or whatever, I would be, I just don't have strong enough.

Like, Gideon will occasionally just make naked gun references and then make me watch clips. It's like what I feel like it's like the way that I quote The Simpsons constantly, I feel like some people just do that with naked gun. Yes, very much so. It is so closely held by people. And so for that reason, I would understand people having strong feelings about it. But I also come at me like when they redo airplane. Like that for me, because like airplane for me is like one of my family's like big, huge. movies. It's one of the only movies my dad would ever put on in our child. Like, that was the only

thing that I knew about my dad was that he loved the movie airplane because that is what we would do with him. He would just throw on airplane, which you know what, guys, not appropriate for children. But you know, I think we didn't get a lot of the jokes. So it was kind of fine, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Watching it now, I'm like, wow, well, it is certainly, I will say, a product of its time. Yeah. But, you know, so was naked gun. And I love, and I love, love that they even have an O.J. Simpson joke in the trailer. Yeah. Yeah, they handled that. They handled that. That was pretty funny. It's interesting because I also feel like a part of this conversation are older people of like,

yeah, how they're even going to make a naked gun can't make movies the way they used to make movies. Right. All right. Okay, calm down with that. There's many things you can make jokes about that don't upset people. You know, that's not a nuts thing to say. Surprise, Mickey Roark, all right? You don't have to be like this. But, you know, a lot of people are scared of learning and they're scared of growing, okay? And that is also sad for them. Sorry that you don't want to do anything or learn anything or open up your brain space to more of a community.

And sad for you because you're going to die alone. That's how I feel about Mickey Roark. I guess I'm not minced in any words here. I think that's, I think that's right. I think that if, listen, if Mickey Rourke, I'm not going to be watching the rest of Big Brother UK. So please keep us posted. Does Mickey Rourke take this moment of being corrected as does he really get better? Or does he do the thing that most people do when they get called out?

Most famous people do when they get called out for doing something that is not kind, which is just doubled down. quadruple down, dive into the cesspool of the, you know, so we'll see which way it goes. Hopefully he needs the money too badly from Celebrity Big Brothers, who's going to want to stay on more. So let's just hope that for him.

Now, I don't think that I hope any pizza caviar should be in your future, MJ, but I will say that the Pizza Hut that is introducing new pepperoni-flavored pizza caviar is only at one location, and that location is in New York City. Yes, Jackie put this in our shared Google document with a note. MJ, look into puke with your family this weekend.

But MJ, you don't understand. You can get a pizza caviar box, guys. Yes, they put the pepperoni flavored pearls of bursting gelatinous pus. Plant-based gelatinous substance. Yeah, but it's plant-based. I love my food to be described as a substance. Yeah. Obviously, good put over.

over here. I would love. I say put it in a boba. Oh my God. You know what? Put that pepperoni. Put it in a babba. My kids watch just the YouTube to know that boba is so trendy, you know, and my kids are very picky eaters and there's now a boba place in the neighborhood. We pass it and they're like boba. Boba. Do you like boba? And I'm like, I don't like boba. And they're like, why not? And I'm like, I think the balls are weird. But I kind of want to encourage my kids to try boba. It's not going to go well. They're not going to like it. But I love boba. You do it? Oh, I do.

And usually I don't like the different, like there are certain textures I don't like in my mouth. But maybe it really is the good pud that has opened up my brain. I just had a full body shudder just thinking about it. I just have it shoot down the back of your throat. Man, you don't understand the pleasure of just chugging a chugging a chugging a pud and have it gloop on down your esophagus. You could almost feel it like platt at the bottom of your stuff. and go, oh, I hope it's agar, agar. I'm sorry, I'm talking about pizza caviar, because the pizza caviar in case you're wondering.

Pepperoni flavored agar, agar, agar. Why make, I guess my question to you is why are they so like, but guys, it's plant based. It is still pepperoni flavored pus. So I don't know if I know any vegetarian that would be like, oh, but it is plant based. Well, I'm, good. There's two types of vegetarians. One, which doesn't want to eat things that taste like meat because they have chosen not to eat meat. And the other, which is like, if you could grow bacon on a tree, I would eat it immediately.

And I am one of those. So I will eat something that is pepperoni flavored. If you can make a plant-based thing that tastes like pepperoni, I'll be thrilled. Really? Oh, yeah. But my problem is the phrase. Not in postules? My problem is the phrase gelatinous substance.

Why? The other problem is the phrase pepperoni pearls. And I love caviar. I like caviar. I know you love caviar. I know you do. That's why I thought this was perfect for you. And, you know, I live in New York City, and I want nothing more than to go to 8th Avenue and 55th Street.

Obviously. Not even Times Square. It's like a 10-minute walk from Times Square. Like, fun, oh, walk through Times Square. MJ, this is just, I don't know how you're saying no to this experience. This random pizza hut in Manhattan in Health Kitchen, not a famous neighborhood, not a glitz and glam. It's famous for pizza caviar now. Now it's famous for pizza caviar.

Oh, God. I, this, yeah. Now, see, if I, if I, if you were here, we would go do this together. And now I need to decide, am I going to use my time to go eat this because you can't? You should. You should thank your lucky stars that I don't live in New York City this weekend. because I definitely would be scrapping your children. I'll strap one to one leg and the other one of the other leg.

And I say, bitches, we're getting caviard. How do you feel about pepperoni pearls, children? Come on. I know you won't eat like chicken nuggets because you don't even like the texture of that. But what if guys, hold the phone. It's going to burst. Come on, just wait until it bursts in your mouth. You'll never feel stronger.

Do you want to plant-based gelatinous substance derived from red algae that bursts in your mouth. Let it burst. Let it burst. Let it burst. That is what I was screaming. Ew, that's a disgusting thing to say, Jackie. Well, watching Love on the Spectrum season three. I just disgusted myself.

I wasn't saying let it burst. I wasn't looking at the people wanting them to burst, but I will say Jeff and I swallowed love on the spectrum season three. So fast. Yeah, you've enjoyed it. Man, it's a great season. And there's returning people from previous seasons, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, there certainly is.

How are they doing? It's like, so is it not a date? Because I know that initially it's like dating and finding each other shows. So now is it just like checking in on them? Only on one couple is checking in on them. And then the rest of the people are some of them are from previous seasons that still have not found love. Oh, okay. And in one part, I love James. And James's mom, like he went to a speed dating thing. And he came home and the woman called and said he had no matches. And his mom just started to like silently cry and was just like, I would just love for him to get a match.

Yeah. He's such a good person. And there is love that is found in this season for multiple people. And Jeff and I were just like, yeah, you deserve to be happy. The love is found. The love is found. And I guess I'm not even, I'm not giving anything away necessarily. I think if you like love on the spectrum and you're watching love on the spectrum,

you're only hoping for good things to happen to everyone that is involved. That just, man, every one of them, I think they're all in a competition for whose family is the best family. And then there's Connor with the hot mom, which, man, I'd do anything for that woman. Oh, baby, let me in. I know you said there's a stepdaddy on the scene, but get me in there. I'm ready to be a mama. God, she's so hot. Every scene, I'm just like, how does every review of love on the spectrum not talk about how hot Conner's mom is?

Not too sidebar. I want to lick her up and down. Oh, yeah, no. Oh, what? You don't want me to continue talking about the things respectfully that I would like to do respectfully to this woman. No, we could keep talking about it. I just want to say that how you feel about about how is every conversation about love on the spectrum, not about how every, how you want to lick her.

That's how I feel about the charge nurse on the pit. I've been meaning to talk to you about this. Wow. I would also, in a second, do anything. I need discourse about her. And I went looking for discourse. Are we all talking about how we all want to marry the charge nurse on the pit? Are we talking about how she's everything I want in life?

Are we talking about how like I feel so taken care of by her even with just watching the show? And there's no discourse on her. And as I realized, It was like looking through the pits cast, and a lot of them, it's not like they're newcomers per se. They're all working actors, but they're not all star. Like, Noah Wiley is by far the biggest star. And even he hasn't done a whole, he's worked, but like more low profile things since he are. And we know it's jockful of nepo's.

We got some neps in there too, though. Jackful and nepo's two great nepoes. We got Brian Cranston's daughter. And then who's the other nepo? Oh, not Brad Rinfo. What's his? Durif. Yes. Yes. I should have look into Adam's eyes. And we both in our brain said, Brad Durif together. And I felt it. Wait, which one is that? Who's that? And the, which character is it?

The one with the, with the son and the, um, the, the sound on her leg. The sound on her leg. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The house arrest thing. Sound on her leg. I know what you mean. When she brought in her father, that is actually her father. Oh, that's nice. Because she brought, yeah, who is like a huge, like huge, huge, huge celebrity. So I really loved seeing that. That's nice.

And yeah, I didn't realize that one of the characters was Brian Cranston's daughter. She's just, she's fantastic. But yes, anyway, I've been in this, like. Also, by the way, Brad Durf is Chucky. I don't know if you know this. Oh. Yeah, yeah. Like, Brad Durf is huge, like, huge.

Oh. Oh, yeah. And one flew over the cuckoo's nest, which, oh, my God. Wow. Yeah, he's like a classic actor. I mean, I say that he's Chucky, but to me, he's a classic actor. Okay. Gotcha.

Yeah. Where is this person, Catherine, Catherine Lanasa is the charge nurse from the pit, and she's got a long career, but it's like kind of rand. It's like Valentine's Day, Impostors, the campaign, Jane Mansfield's car, Longmeyer, and I'm like, I'm not familiar, but she's just, she's the greatest actress I've ever seen. I love her so much. I was talking about how hot I find her and how hot I find her accent. And I was talking in front of Henry and Natalie.

And Henry was like, oh, yeah, the Pittsburgh accent, hell yeah. And then I was like, oh, because Natalie has a Pittsburgh accent. And I was just talking about how long I wanted to bang someone with a Pittsburgh accent. Because then, like, I feel like the pit is really allowing this to come through because she's just got that. And like, I love a Pittsburgh accent. Yeah, the Pittsburgh accent is special. And I think probably most people wouldn't agree that it's sexy. I know they wouldn't agree.

And I definitely, because it's like, oh, yeah, hell yeah, man. You know, oh, I feel like that's the kind of accent of someone that's like, oh, we'd have a great time getting blasted together. But also, like, you'll also get in a fight for me and I appreciate that. You know, Dana would obviously take a punch for me. Absolutely. And she's 58, and I just like love to find a 58 year old who I would like to bone. Yes, I know. I know.

What is she slurping on? And I had some. What's your secret? Whoa. I know. I know. It's, but that's, that's how I, how you feel about that mom from love on the spectrum is how I feel about her. I'm just like, why isn't everyone stopping what they're doing to talk about how we want to give up our life for her, you know? Also, what's weird is I hadn't actually looked up pictures of her outside of the show. And she is so, like, she's so insanely stunning with makeup on. She is. But it's so funny that in watching the pit, though, like with a black eye and no makeup on, I would, I'll massage her every day. I think I like her better without makeup. And that's a creepy thing that men say when they're being weird.

But I know. But we're being the creepy men right now. And I feel similarly. I completely understand. I like both. I like her with makeup and without. You're beautiful. The better way you do, Catherine.

She can do it all. She can do it all. I know that we don't need to go down the road of talking about hacks right now, but I just needed to let everybody know that I have started watching Hacks. Me too. That's great. Okay, because it only took until season four, which is starting this week. It only took how many Golden Globes, how many people in my life that are you watching

hacks? Why aren't you watching Hacks? Here's the thing. I watched the first half of the first season of Hacks when it first came out and I was triggered. And I was like, I just was like, I don't want to, like, like we've talked about this before where it's like, it's sometimes hard. to watch things about like the business or things about comedy or just watching comedy sometimes. And at that point, I was in a bad headspace.

Yeah. And I watched it. And I was just like, I don't need. This is not what I'm into right now. And then I started it again. I started from the beginning. And I watched the first full season in two sittings. Really?

And I cried. Yeah. And I cried. And it's so good. Yeah. And it's one of those, it's like, it's like, look at you, Jackie, where you're sitting there going, huh, this show is really good. The show that everybody loves that we have like, you know, the most admired people in the business, right for it.

Oh, pretty good. And it's quite good. I know. Well, Jackie and I both have a bit of a stick up our ass about comedies sometimes where we just don't feel relaxed while watching comedies. And that, yeah, like I was saying last week, when I first started the studio, I was like, I don't want to watch another thing about the business. And that was also why I hadn't watched hacks. I was like, this looks great.

I'm sure it's fantastic. It's just not how I want to relax, you know, thinking about the business that I've been in for so long. But yes, I feel the exact same way. I watch it. I was like, what was I waiting for? The acting is so good. The writing is so good. It's just incredibly enjoyable.

You know what it is too? Ava as a character also annoyed the fuck out of me when I first started watching it. I understand that. And now I understand too, though, that being annoyed by hers also kind of part of it. And kind of the point. Yes. Yes. And that like that is a part of it, at least in the first season.

And I was like, okay. And like I just want to continue to watch Gene Smart and Caitlin Olson play off of each other. And now that's like my own personal like time to just sit and smile to myself. of just watching two awesome powerhouse character actresses make make and that sounds like the shit on the floor but I'm not talking about them shitting on the floor I mean making art together and I'm here for it oh my god Hannah Eindbinder is Lorraine Newman's daughter whoa neaps double neps shows oh god nepity nepity nep don't say it that's fine am I nothing because I'm not a No, it's fine.

Am I nothing? I'm sorry, but neps are doing great right now. And I know that it doesn't mean that it's whatever. It's not great that this is how the world works. We should have more equal opportunity. And some of these neps are doing great. All right. The White Lotus is another example.

Patrick Schwarzenegger. Did you see the Maria Shriver joke? She just wrote this big memoir, but she's being completely outshined by her own son. And what's the name of the memoir is like? invisible me as a mother I don't exist she the name of the memoir is um I'm bringing it up is I am Maria my reflections on poems my reflections in poems on heartbreak healing and finding your way and she put out a joke that is instead of saying I am Maria it says I am Patrick's mother which is because he's sorry Maria but he is big.

time out performing you right now and not in a judgmental way. I'll bet your book of poems is nice. I guess. I guess. Who wants to hear what Maria Shriver's fucking poem and about? Not me. Yeah. Yeah.

No, well, you know, she, we almost talked about this on last week's show, but we didn't get to it, that Arnold Schwarzenegger cheated on her, had a love child with her, didn't tell her till the kid was a grownup. Oh, yeah. That's crazy. Wait, was that new information to you? Yeah, that's what that we know. I know it's old, old hat.

I hadn't, like, you know, I hadn't sat with it, you know. And thought about how much he looks just like Arnold Schwarzenegger and that there was no way she could have ever lied about it. It's so funny. Have you ever seen a picture of that child? It is funny. I mean, now he's an adult. But it is funny because it's like, I can only imagine me like, no, no, he's not Arnold Schwarzenegger's kid. No way.

Cut to like almost the exact outline except he just has like darker skin. he looks like cartoonishly like him. That's very funny. But yeah, and then the other NEPO, not only Patrick Schwarzenegger, killing it NEPO White Lotus, but also the other NEPO Sam Navola, who is Locky on White Lotus,

also a NEPO. Yes. And we're covered in NEPs all over the place. And it doesn't mean that we're never going to get anywhere, and it doesn't mean that we're never going to have an opportunity to shine just because we're not a NEPO baby, all right? Yeah. Although I guess I could consider myself a NEPO baby

if like you do consider, I guess you don't consider a sibling, a NEPO baby. Well, if I, you and I share the fact that we both, I think I certainly got a lot. The fact that I had an older brother in the same, like, and that he was doing comedy and I wanted to do comedy, it helped me immeasurably. Yes. Like I, and that's like, that's why I just like when NEPOs are like, it doesn't mean I'm not talented, but I did, I am here because of my family. And I feel many of the opportunities that I got were like not because my brother was like, get here, take this job. But, you know, he like, of course it just helps to know people. Like if there's one thing you learn as an adult trying to get anything in life, it helps to just be like, oh, you work there. Could you help me by introducing me or whatever it might be?

And I'm not, you know, it's not a comfortable thing to necessarily embrace. But it is just like, yes, it was awesome to have a brother in the same. field and work together. And like, yes, I had help that I wouldn't have had without him, you know, like, and I don't think that means. But also, there were plenty of times that MJ and I could have gotten laid. And then we couldn't because our brothers were around. So think about that. Think about what we had to go through when we were in our 20s, trying to have a blast. I'm trying to get finger blasted off to the side while I'm also, you know, putting money into, you know, a music box. And just don't look at me while it's happening, okay? And then him just always.

with the judgments of the things. And then they wonder why I would go off into the night. And they'd be like, you just disappeared. It's like, yeah, I have to so I could go make my bad mistakes, you idiots. Yes, yes. And your brother is very protective and he didn't want you to be getting blasted in the bar. And that is hard for you. Thank you.

Thank you, Angie. Thank you for seeing me. And I know you felt the same. I know I'm speaking for us both here. And I'm sorry to speak for Joseph Urban Trout. And yeah, I'm bringing up Joseph Urban Trout, who wrote the article for Taste of Home, which why did you write an article like this? Yes, the headline is Olive Garden is no longer America's top restaurant chain. Here's what took its spot.

And there were so, I saw a bunch of articles talking about Olive Garden is no longer the number one casual dining chain restaurant. on and it has been number one for a very, very long time. And for the first time in many years, it has been dethroned. And I found an article that was the most boring article I have ever read with so many statistics. If you're reading an article about Olive Garden getting dethroned, I don't want to know the statistics of what people spend money on. And yeah, it would be interesting of like, oh, this amount of. of people got a bloom in onion and this amount of people got a, you know, the breadsticks and the,

the salad. Give me that kind of shit. I'm into it. We're talking top chain restaurants. I want to know the real statistics, not about how much money they made and boring, boring things. Talk about the rattlesnake bites over the Texas Roadhouse. I know. I want to hear more about that. Well, I was upset because Texas Roadhouse has outflanked the Olive Garden and I honestly feel like you could write so many dumb. think pieces about what that means for like the culture wars, but I'm not going to go there, but all of well. Yeah, but Appleby's did grow in 15% of the growth in sales. And Longhorn Steakhouse, which saw 7.2% growth in sales.

Shut up. Just tell me, like, I want to know the like goss about why Texas Roadhouse is apparently better than Olive Guard. Well, I wonder if this article that you sent about this is in, there's a big, This made me think of this big. There's a big New York Times story from a couple of days ago called Pizza Hut, Chili's, Olive Garden, the death of the middle class restaurant. So I think the guy you're mad at was probably, you know, what we used to say back in the day, reblogging this longer reported story. Wow.

But this quote, Americans are spending money at restaurants as much as ever, but really they are buying food made by a restaurant and eating it somewhere else. Takeout and delivery apps are now the ingrained habit. Drive-thrus are going strong. but what blah, blah, blah, blah. What all this means is that Americans are eating alone more than ever, yada, yada, yada. So go to a Texas roadhouse. And that the, like, family dining, like the type of, this quote, once rapidly growing commercial Marvel's casual dining chains, sit down restaurants where middle class families can walk in without a reservation, order from another human, and share a meal. Get an app.

Get a half. Yes. For most of the 21st century. And that is sad. Because as we've talked about many times, we all have very positive memories from going to the Applebee's on a Saturday night with our family. It was a real treat. And after 10 p.m., this is what we used to do when I was in Palm Harbor, Florida, that we would go get really high on the beach. And then after 10 p.m., it would be half off appetizers.

And we go to an applebee's and we would get half off appetizers. And then we would go home. Like that's, that is a quintessential high school experience. And I'm worried for the youths that they're not enjoying these chain restaurants. And I guess I should be further worried about the youths because at Texas Roadhouse, they are currently selling a bread basket, right? This is part of their merch. It's a big bread basket. It's got all the, like, it's a big ceramic bread basket.

Oh, God. And it's in the center, it's like where all the, like the dip and the soup should be. And you think, oh, is this a dip platter? It's not. It's a wax smelter. What? So you have a bread basket, ceramic bread basket. and where the soup should be, and what you should dip things in, is actually candle wax

because it is a scented wax melter instead of being a bread basket. Why would you sell a $50 bread basket candle wax melter that people are going to think is fondue and try to dip something into and then they will be eating wax? We are once again in the merch section of famous chain restaurants. You say it like it's a sad place to be. I think it's a great place to be. On page seven, you can get a Texas Roadhouse holiday ornament. You can get a tote and you can get the wax warmer that looks like a fond dupon.

You get a candle that's as big as a Texas guy. I feel like, are we sleeping on Texas roadhouses? I've always wanted to go to, no, I've been to a Texas Roadhouse. There's one in Dubuque and I think I've been to it. But again, I like this stuff. Take me to a Texas Roadhouse. I'll go. But I don't want Olive Garden to be replaced.

But again, we're talking about different things here. This is why I, where's the, where's the, olive garden was where you went for prom. And like, for like birthdays. Like, it was like a little special. And maybe that's Texas Roadhouse too. But, you know, they had the big. My sister got married at an Olive Garden. Really?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that sounds great. Oh, yeah. Oh, hell, yeah. There's weddings at an Olive Garden. in case you were wondering. That's lovely. And I feel like...

We had a blast. That sounds fantastic. And I don't know if Texas Roadhouse is also a prom location, but maybe it is. I don't think it is. I think it's a little bit... I think it's in this more like peanuts on the floor. Right. Which I'm not against that, but I feel like you don't take, you know, if you're wearing a heel,

you don't go to peanuts on the floor, right? Right. Yeah. Or am I getting too old? Different five. You know, maybe I should be taking my heels. I should be strutting my stuff down at the fucking peanut bars. I get them all crunched in there.

Yeah, we did. I feel like we did. Didn't we go to a couple peanut bars on tour? That's our speed. Till your cans bigger than the old Texas sky. I think that that is a line from a song from the movie North, starring Elijah Wood as a child. Okay, before we ran out of time, Jackie, I must know. But I'm talking about North.

MJ, it was a 1994 family adventure movie. MJ. That was Elijah Wood's heyday. It was 1994. It was his heyday. The good son, anybody? done. Let's do that on a movie night. Okay. Okay. So I, we must talk about the ongoing White Lotus discourse. Do you think that God, because if there's one thing I know from you,

Jackie Zabrowski, it's that Walton Goggins loves his wife. Okay. But then he put up a 22 photograph slideshow of him and Amy Lou Wood set to Fleetwood Mac and everybody started panicking. Oh my God. You know why? Because he's so confident in the marriage that he has and he is such, that's what I think. Bro, I've watched so. many interviews with Walton Gaggins this week. Yeah. It is watching him talk. So I think it was even in like architectural digest, like one of those went through his home.

You want to fucking slide into next week? Yes. Watch Walton Gaggins talk about his home. He has like an upstate, like an old farm upstate, right? And it's just he is the way he talks about relationships, the way he talks about communication, the way he talks about communication, the way he taught like I am in love I can't play I didn't wear the shirt and wear like got that Goggin me shirt oh did it come oh it came maybe just a time just a time and I've just been I'm just wearing it in my house and just and Jeff completely understands my lust he supports me in all of

this he's like if I could lust for a man Walton Goggins would be the person I am lusting for and I'm like I get you babe just like Walton Goggins's wife probably understands that Walton Gaggins just had a really great, you know, collaborative, creative relationship with Amy Lou Wood, which is also what I think everyone, you know what? People online need to stop doing detective work, okay? You guys are not detectives. Everyone's like, they followed each other, they unfollowed each other. I think that stuff is all so stupid. This man, he's an actor, okay? She's an actor. Can we, and I'm not saying that actors don't fucking get messy. And according to Jason Isaacs, that definitely happened on the set of White Lotus season three. I would love to read his full quote.

But there's just a, there's a lot of speculation about Walton Gagans and Amy Lou Wood. And I just want to let them have their fun work relationship. But also think about what Walton Gagins went through shooting White Lotus. For those that don't know, Walton Gagins also, trigger warning for everybody, also lost a partner from taking their own life 20 something years ago. And after that happened, he went to Thailand to have, you know, an emotion. cleansing experience. He went to go, like, find out who he was again after such a huge trauma happened to him. And he found himself in a couple of the spaces that he had gone to 20 plus years ago in the shooting of this show. And so he was processing. So imagine, and also Amy Lou Wood,

being the person that she seems to be, which seems to be a genuinely very good down-to-earth person, being there for him as he's going through all of this, they must have a friendship that is unlike anything else. That was exactly this, everyone ruined it with this like, ooh, Fleetwood Beck. Look, that post that he made, I mean, yes, and it was about like Chelsea and Rick, but that was so clearly like a tribute to their creative collaboration and friendship.

Experience, yes. Totally, totally. I loved that post. And then everyone made it weird. Don't, in my opinion. You know, y'all know, I love the hot goss as much as another person, but like, that experience must have been such, like, once in a lifetime. Totally. He went through something, like, they went through something together that, like, most people never get an opportunity to do.

And I can only imagine the relationship that they have, and now they're forever linked. Totally. The way they talk about each other, you even see the way they talk about each other. It's not filled with lust or sexuality. It's like admiration. Totally. Exactly. And that makes me slip for him even further.

It makes me want him even more. It's so lovely. And I was really annoyed at that whole, that like, you know, it's fun. I know people are just trying to be fun. But also I was like, let them just admire each other and like each other in a non-sexual way. But we do talk all the time about showmances because of, Holden's theory that you know, Ariana and Spongebob

are only a showmance and that you get into these little, you know, you're on a set. It's like a summer camp experience. Oh, yeah. And can I read the full Jason Isaac's quote? Because I'm obsessed with it. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So there is there's, do you want a reader or do you want me to read it? Why don't, why don't, okay, you read it.

Do you have it in front of you? There's all these, there's like a whole so many things written this week about White Lotus, so many interviews with all the different people, but this quote really stands out. It was a theater camp, but to some extent, an open prison camp. You couldn't avoid one another. There are tensions and difficulties. I don't know if they spilled from on screen to off screen or if it would have happened anyway. There were alliances that formed and broke, romances that formed and broke, friendships that

formed and broke. It's a long period of time for people to be away from their family and with an open bar and all the wildness being in Thailand allows. I can't pretend I wasn't involved in some off-screen drama. There were times when things were not quite so fond. I was in some ways used to it, but within a couple of weeks, my wife, who was with him on set and used to be an actor, went, some of these people are fucking mad. And I said, no, it's just a bunch of actors away on location, love. You've forgotten what it's like.

Wow. And if you're six months. Six months. In this world where you are just in your, it's long. long days, to a point that some of the other actors had even brought it up, that like, you're living there, your whole life is in Thailand at this resort, that you kind of get, like, at some point, like, where does me end and the character begin? Oh, totally.

It drives you mad because you're trying to keep reality in multiple ways in check. And I know that, like, a lot of people are like, oh, being an actor is easy, being an actor is easy. being an actor is easy. In comparison to many, many, many other things, it is. And you're right. But it is also very difficult. And it's difficult to do well. And when you're doing it well, the way they all just did, that is such.

Because he's right. It's like a theater camp. Because you're all in it. And you're talking about your characters. And you're like, what would my character be listening to? What would my character be doing at this? And that's so cool and it's so fun. And as a lameo actress myself, I simp for that shit.

I'm like, oh, yes. Let's get into it. Let's find the real me to the character. And yeah, of course you want to get late while that's happening because you're finding things together and things are happening, you know? It's a bunch of young, beautiful people on a set together, too. You know, like it does not surprise me that there was drama and that there was relationships and whatever and ups and downs. I just know that Walton Gagans would never because he's a man of dignity. But, yes, I enjoyed this quote.

I have enjoyed the, like, the White Lotus Week that we've been living in. It's everywhere. And I know that now it's about to just completely dry up and go away. I will say as a snack fluencer, I want to say I laughed a lot. Coffee Mate. I had released a while ago on my Instagram that I was trying out the White Lotus coffee creamers. It is funny that they did put out a Pena colada flavored white lotus coffee creamers. coffee creamer and coffee mate came out and was just like, they posted a picture of it on their

Instagram and was just like, we didn't know the ending. And it is pretty funny. I think I was like genuinely, every once in a while, these collabs, of course, they make you want to roll your eyes into the next week like the Kardashian crumble thing. But that collab, that made me laugh. That is very, very funny. Yeah. I, I, I, I, uh, but we don't have to talk about this, this much about this Netflix documentary that I watch, bad influence the dark side of confluencing. But, um, one of the things, what, when you were talking about like, you know, kind of losing yourself as an actor, um, and how, especially because actors whole thing is that they're these like, they're porous, you know, they're like moving in and out of identities and stuff. But one, the, the documentary that, or docu-series that's on Netflix that I watch is all about kid, this one, one, um, like, like, change. channel in particular, but about kid

YouTubers, and it's so creepy. Do not watch it. Do not watch it if you're easily upset. Maybe don't even watch it. Maybe only watch it if you've got, like, a kid who wants to make their own YouTube channel and you're weighing, like, what to do. I'm looking at some of the bombshells

of what was dropped in bad influence, the dark side of kid fluencing. And, yeah, I don't know of this doggie series is for everybody. It's real rough. And I know that there's even, it's these weird parallels because the, other episode two of Hollywood demons is about child actors.

But as I was watching this kid YouTuber thing, I was like, I kept finding myself thinking, like, at least when you're an actor, there's like workplace protections. And then I was like, even that, we know that being a kid actor is one of the worst, like, like per occupation, probably the worst outcomes, you know, statistically. Being a professional child actor, consistently horrible outcomes. And then when you're talking about YouTube, you're talking about all the worst things about being a child actor with zero workplace protections. With no protections.

And I'm just reading through some of these things. Jesus Christ, I just, how do you let your kids out of the house? How do you let them look at a screen? How do you let them exist? I'm just reading through something. I'm just like, I, the more I hear about these things, and I think why I can't watch like kid fluencing docu series is it makes me want to sew my vagina shut.

And I know that like I'm not even planning on biologically having. children, but like, it still terrifies me to such an extent of what the open season that people can do on YouTube. And I like it because like, I like to play Sims with my friend MJ. And we have fun. We have woo-hous and we have a smile time. And there's just, you know, I know there's like so much in the dark web and there's so much out there that it's just, oh, you can do anything and you can get anything and you know it's a it's a freedom guys it that we have and it's this public facing like we are adults right with a public facing like we we do we are you know minor public figures and even no i am an adult mj how dare you i know i look 15 according to my face skin but i am

37 years old no idea somewhere somewhere in my late 30 but like even that like the the To go back to the Jason Isaacs thing, maintaining a sense of self, maintaining a sense of identity, you know, through like close scrutiny and criticism and all these things, is like, again, when you're a professional actor with like, with money and workplace protections and health insurance and stuff, like, that's hard. Right. And then, like, when you're talking about one of the things that one of the kids says in this documentary

is like, I started to like lose track of who I am because I was always on camera. Yeah. And I had to be this certain person on camera. And then I, and I was, since I was on camera, like, all day, I didn't really have any idea about who I was. And I think that that, like, I struggle with that and I'm a full grown ass adult. Absolutely. And you could take that and put that, even if you're like, well, you know, we're not all going to be like famous YouTube stars. But you could take that and put it to any public facing, you know, social media stuff.

Like how much our self-worth and our sense of self is linked to public. like literal public ratings of our pictures, how many likes we're getting and all that stuff. And then the kids today are just growing up of like, my job is to take pictures of myself, put it to the public and then have everybody like rate me, you know, and develop my entire sense of who I am when I'm 14, 12, 13, 14, in front of other people. You know, it's just, and we've been in such a wild west of these things because nobody, there's been no regulation and no protection for the longest time. And now there's just kind of starting to be like, what should parent influencers be even be able to let to show their kids?

Like, should kids even be able to do this? So we, it's, I just think I thought, I think that the documentary is interesting not because it's an especially well made documentary, but like, but because I think that we are just, we are at a cultural shift right now in terms of figuring out like should should these public, should public facing like should kids be public facing like this? Should young people be public facing? And even for adults, what does all this public facing social media do to? our brands and our senses of self, you know? Or if your child who's making content comes home and this mom said, Corinne came home and asked me why old men like to smell underwear. And if your child asked you that, you should probably ask them to not make any more content.

Or maybe look at who they're talking to online or when you find out your child is sending out their soiled training bras and underpants to people. I just, all of this, I get this, I'm just upset. I just, what do you know? I'm sorry, I upset you. So many people just desperate that want children that would love to do anything to have a child

and these pieces of shit that are able to just shove them inside of them and puke them out and then they put them to work. It just, all right, you should fucking know better. What is Carmen gonna go through? All right, think about for a second, 10 years old.

I'm sorry. You have to think about it. Unfortunately, you must. I don't watch the dokey series, M.J. I know, I know. But though I was thinking about Carmen and Hilaria, too. I'm like, Hilaria, you just shouldn't make your kid famous in this day and age. You just shouldn't.

I'm sorry, you probably never should. Like, Jackie. Not the time for it. The reason there's any child actor protections at all is because of Jackie Coogan, who was a child actor in the 1920s. That's my name. That's your name. That's my name. And so, but yes, it is, I've been thinking a lot.

It's just crazy. I was talking to my mother about this, and I was asking her specifically because Henry was asked, Henry, when he was a baby, had bright, like, red, like curls, huge bouncing curls, big blue eyes. He was adorable. And a lot of people wanted to get him into baby modeling. And my mom was like, I don't think this is a good idea. I don't think I want my kid involved in this. And she took him to one meet up with other. And she's like, I looked at all the mothers there that were just so desperate for their child and what they were doing to their children to make sure their children would stand. She's like, I couldn't do it to him. I couldn't do it to him. So I left. And I never thought about it again. And I was like, thank you, Mom.

Because I hear that the 90s was pretty rough. And now your children can. So it was probably for the best. Your children can choose to put themselves in front of cameras and cover each other in putting. Look at all our traumas that we splay out for everybody to know. But they're different trauma. than the ones we could have had. Yes, that's true.

And it is ultimately your choice to do good putt, which I know that you are about to do. Yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, you got to really gear yourself up to get ready for that put. And maybe I'm just thinking about putt a lot because of the caviar, the piece of caviar, and just thinking about it, gushing down the back of my throat and no one I'm going to do that later. That sounds disgusting. I'm not talking about that with my brother.

And you can all get your minds out of gutter. I'm talking about pud. But I guess was there anything else you wanted to bring up today, MJ? I think we did it. I think we talked about the pit and how it makes us slip out of our seats, which was really important to me. We certainly did. And also I was enjoying everybody live with John Mullaney. Oh, yeah.

And I did bring up that just because the only reason I brought up, John Mullaney got scammed by a fake bone thugs in harmony. But it was on a live, like he was giving the monologue on a live episode. of his show. And I was like, why the hell is he talking about this? Because he was like, I tried to get bone thugs in harmony. We were going to do this big thing. And then, you know, I was talk with them and they didn't end up showing up. And, you know, I talked to this dude. And I was like, why is he just throwing bone thugs in harmony under the bus? But then turns out he was actually talking to a fake manager of bone thugs in harmony. And so it all came full back around. And so it was just very funny because live, he's like, so if you are a member of

bone thugs in harmony and he just kept labeling all saying, Lazy bone, big, like whatever their bone names are. He's like, give me a call, call in live. And he just kept trying to get them to call in live. And I just thought it was very funny. Yeah, that's fun. I'm going to watch that too. It is.

It's a great show. I really enjoy, I hate the whole like, going, streaming, going live thing because I do feel that is ass backwards. And we're now going back into just having cable television again. Right, right, right. But then there's things like what he's doing, which makes it fun. Yeah. Because it's not like, it's like a really truly like, we don't know how this is going to go.

Let's see. Yeah. And as someone, you know, as one of the creators of LPN Funhouse, I think you understand that we enjoy things like that here. Absolutely. No, if anything, I'm just on board. Yeah, you guys are the pioneers of live streaming and the who knows what will happen of it all, you know? You know, it was streaming before anybody understood what streaming was. But you know what, MJ?

We were podcasting before anybody knew what podcasting was. That's for sure. everybody for joining us every goddamn week, twice a goddamn week. We love talking to y'all and we love hearing from y'all. You can hit us up at page 7 podcast at gmail.com. We love you guys. And I am still upset. I feel like we should go, you know what, check out an Olive Garden this week.

Let's see if we can get them back to the top of the national middle class chain restaurant list. There you go. Call to action. It's a call to action. Olive Garden or go to the Pizza Hut at 55th Street at 8th Avenue, please, so that I don't have to. It's only during the next three days. So if you can get there over the weekend, tell us, please. Please. You're in Manhattan. Run. Please, you got to get there. You must. Like, what the hell else are you doing this weekend?

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