Page 7 - Second Helpings - Quirky Mormon Thriller

Episode Date: March 27, 2026

This week on Second Helpings, Jackie and MJ are sadly NOT joined by the Male Feminist Gentleman Supreme, but they certainly got the goss' and drama this ep! MJ starts off by sharin' their PhD dissertation after their marathon catch-up of "Secret Lives of Mormon Wives". Speakin' of a different kind of body horror, Jackie highly recommends "Ugly Step Sister" and listening to "Sign of the Times" by Harry Styles. Jackie also just started the newest season of "Last One Laughing". Adam AND Jackie watched MJ's Alfred Hitchcock rec, "Rope" and looooved it, even if Jackie was judgin' hard at first, plus MJ and Jackie give honest opinions on Kombucha and the whole "Probiotic" trend products. MJ gives a disappointingly unsexy rundown of "Chocolate Cream Pie Murder", Jackie and MJ get into the nightmare that is the KFC Pickle Puffer, Jackie had some of the best chocolate she's ever had thanks to a listener, and MJ also got some awesome jerky from a listener! All that, AND MORE on this week's Second Helpings! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

A second time. Especially this time because it's got 100% less holding. And I don't know if that makes your dreams come true or if that shatters your dreams. And I apologize either way. Yeah. Because I don't want to make anybody's dreams come true. But I also don't want to be out of your shattering dream birds either. You know, he's a divisive man.

And in this house, we say, bless this mess. And we welcome him. Bless this mess. I, for one, was thrilled to realize he was coming up. to the episode where we had to talk about domestic violence instance. I thought, I love to go to Holden-McNeely for

the feminist analysis. Especially sensitive topics are really where he shines. Delicate things. Oh, wow, gentle approach. I think these are all ways in which we can describe. What a gentle man he is. I just imagine him coming and be like,

I've got a fucking cat-bag. You want me to be a gentleman? I'm gentle and this. And he just has it like opens up his cyst and it's just like gysers out of it. It's like, is this all the faithful for you? He is really a bull in the China shop of internet discourse.

He certainly is. But you know, he likes to be the heel even though he complains about it all the time. And I forget that sometimes. He's a messy bitch who lives for drama, which is why he's great on the show. Messy bitch. Messy bitches rise.

Messy bitches who live. for drama and I have been living, I have been immersed. I feel like I'm getting a PhD in secret lives of Mormon wives. I have been, because I confessed on yesterday's show. Thank you for the confession. That I had fallen off of season three because we weren't talking about it that much on the show. And I thought I have to catch up with the other things. I have to keep up with traitors.

Also, to be fair, I was so annoyed with Demi's whole, like, where she, I'm sorry, obviously cheated and then turned it into a second. And then, and I believe people. I don't want you to think I don't believe victims. It is just such, like, she's just on tape coaching people about what to say. And then all of the women are just like, okay, we can't say that she didn't get sexually assaulted, but like, I think that she was just kissing this guy. That's the, that season three turned out to be so hilarious to me because it's just a bunch of women who do not desperately, what could never possibly say that they don't believe. women, but also, which I understand.

Because again, she is on tape coaching people about how to lie about what happened, which was played at the reunion. And so they're all like, no, no, no. And we believe you, but there's just things that aren't adding up. And so season three turns out to be this hilarious exercise

in how much you can believe women. Well, obviously not believing this woman. Not believing this one woman. It's obviously on tape lying. And so it ended up, I had a great time. I said, true car less. True.

You did not sound like this in the car. What I'm hearing here is not what I'm hearing in the car. In the car. It's not what I heard in the car. Yeah, and season four has 100% less to me. And honestly, I miss that messy bitch. I do miss the messy bitch because she was, again, replaced with the messy dad talk bitches. Oh, God.

Now, I don't know if you looked into at all. Jesse was on call her daddy. This just dropped. It dropped yesterday, and she is openly talking about, which I immediately then saw so many people, because of course, everything in my feed right now is Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, saw so many people essentially making the same joke because Jessie has openly, this is one of the secret lives of Mormon wives. She's the one who I thought was sisters with to me because they look exactly alike.

They look exactly like. They're just friends who do the same beauty things. But don't worry, she has now had a bunch of plastic surgery that she does not, she does wish that she had not had. She has had it. She's a completely different person. She's a completely different person. So she doesn't look like that person anymore.

And she and Jordan, her stupid, annoying husband. Horrible man. Horrible man. And they are always fighting on the show. And then finally, they have now applied. They have filed for divorce. Apparently, Jesse found out that he had filed for divorce publicly from TMC. She did not find out from him.

him because he didn't even have the fucking Hutzpah to go and talk to her or at least tell her that he was doing it. So he files, they end up, then I think the next day, Jesse files for a restraining order against Jordan, and I believe that it's like, I believe that that was taken,

that filing was accepted. And it's no good. And on caller daddy, Jesse said, I think a couple of times that essentially Jordan was, She's like, I may have cheated, but Jordan was also cheating on me with escort. With an escort service. And now it is funny to watch the amount of people being like, she at least didn't have to pay for it. You fucking be so shit.

Not that any, I like it because the discourse isn't about, it's not upset towards sex worker. It has nothing to do. It's not anti-sex. It is literally just like, wow, she could get it for free and you had to go pay for it. And I do think that that dialogue is kind of funny. Well, it also isn't her whole thing, unless there's another instance that I'm misremembering, but her whole thing from season three with Marciano, or I guess the end of season two, is that it was emotional cheating. Emotional cheating.

And I do, you know, I'm not even just making a joke because I do feel like sometimes that could be either just as bad or worse. Totally, for sure. You know, it's like falling in love with someone or having catch it feels or something. It's like that is a much more difficult situation to navigate. Yes, totally. and that emotional cheating is totally a thing. I just feel like have these people ever been to middle school or like is this middle, like, did they stop school in fifth grade? Because I feel like texting with a guy for a few days, like, sure, we can call that emotional cheating and it's bad.

But I just feel like they are all behaving as if they are 13. They're like, I, like, I'm not saying, I guess, you know, everybody gets to decide in their marriage what the parameters are. but the idea that you have committed like an unforgivable emotional sin by like text it by like, I don't know, by catching feels with a guy who you were around for like a 48 hour trip. But also, MJ, did you listen to the voicemails? Because I have. Because Jesse, so Jesse's husband, or now going to be ex-husband Jordan, I guess created a like account, got into her Instagram account. Hacked her Instagram.

Hacked her Insta was able to listen to the voicemails. So this was between Jesse and Harry Jousy. Uh-huh. Harry Jousy who is like, oh, he's a dirty puppet. He's a dirty pompant of reality television. You may remember us talking about Harry from way back in the early seasons of Too Hot to Handle. He was like the biggest fuck boy on Too Hot to Handle. But Harry has then come back.

He has been on Perfect Mac. Actually, he's been everywhere. Everybody knows he's a dirty, dirty poop. Dirty doggy. Oh, he's. so dirty. So he shows up on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and everyone's like, he's here for Taylor, he's here for Taylor, he's here for Taylor, and then he shows up and he's there to obviously be like, what's up, girl? And then she the entire time is just like, well Dakota, she hit it on

like in front, they're openly like flirty fighting in front of Harry. They invite this guy for Taylor and Taylor is just like, I am going to fixate on my toxic ex. On Dakota. And like weirdly try to use Harry Jousey to make her jealous. I was like, Taylor, don't you dare make me feel bad for Harry Jousey because he's sitting here like a tenth wheel. He's getting, yeah, man, he's getting cocked. He's getting cocked. He's getting cocked not fucked.

In front of our eyes because she's flirting with Dakota. But so you're telling me that Harry then turned to the open arms of Jesse. Ney, nay, me. that is the opposite. It is has, there's nothing sexual about those voicemails whatsoever. It is literally, they are just chatting.

Jesse literally found out that they shared a birthday. And so the voicemail was just sort of being like, hey, birthday twin, that's so awesome. Like, what are you up to? And he's like, hey,

I'm just, hey, it's gone with my birds. And like, but he wasn't, it wasn't even, it wasn't, I guess maybe minorly just because they are voicemail,

so they're not like messages. But, It was just a back and forth of, hey, what are you doing, girl? And she's like, and then that was it. That was literally it. And he went on Instagram and played the voicemails so everyone could hear how nothing it was. Whoa. Yeah.

Well, I mean, I said like, have they ever gone to middle school? But I do, obviously, the show is called Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. It has become significantly less Mormon since the first season. I don't know if any of them are actively that Mormon. except for Macy and her husband. I think Jen still got a little more me in there. She's a little more me, but like we're obviously like breaking a lot of rules with the Bormons.

But I just got to the part in season four where Macy's boring husband. Her Hilling journey? You talking about her Hilling journey? I want on my journey of Hylen. Her journey of Hylen. I really focus on the Hylen, the way that she pronounces healing, and I really couldn't stop focusing on it. I can't stop focusing on how. what a, like a man amongst wolves, but in a bad way somehow, that her husband is.

Because all of the dance. Her husband and Whitney's husband, the two of them were just like, I'm just a nice guy trying to stay away from that dog, but I keep getting him all of the day dog. And Whitney's husband, I mean, to all of our, if you told us at season one, that Whitney and her husband would be the heroes of season four, we would be, pick us up off the floor. But Whitney's over here, like apologizing and repairing. Also, did you see Whitney is going to be doing, she's doing Chicago with Mark Ballas? Yes. He's joining her.

I love, I love, I love. Sorry, that's like a Dancing with the Stars thing. We love it. When I got to the part in season four where they're doing Dancing with the Stars, I was like, I remember this part. But, but yeah, Macy's husband in season four starts getting real Mormon and talking about how men get the priesthood at 12. and they're supposed to be the heads of the house.

And he's like sweating and he's like, I know that she's the breadwinner and I know that I want to support her, but the man is supposed to be the head of the house. And, you know, so you forget that these women, yes, they are acting like middle school, like less mature than middle schoolers on the one hand and also like they are breaking out of these norms

that I forget are norms. And they started having children so young and that they just didn't stop. And I just feel like it is like in the same kind of like Britney Spears, level of like, I think that their brains because, and I'm not saying this for hashtag all parents, I'm saying them specifically

because of like the way their careers took off like after having multiple children so young. It's got to be, it's got to put your brain in a stasis. Right? Like it's got it. Right. I think, I mean, it's just, it's so clear in season four that like all of them, the men and the women are like still shocked by the idea The women, yeah, they're all broken.

But they're shocked by the idea that the women are the ones who are successful in the marriage. They're all, like, the only reason Dad Talk exists is because all of those men feel deeply emasculated by their successful lives. Except for Connor, who is just like, look at Whitney Go. Like, amazingly. Again, that's the guy. I'll watch the kids. I'll take care. Like, it's not like fucking Zach Affleck who's just like, I have to watch the kids I put inside of her.

I was supposed to be a doctor and I was supposed to leave her with that. Why do I have to do it now? Yeah. Yeah. Connor is the only man there and he was again the one who was embroiled in like either a grinder or a Tinder scandal in the first season, but he's like, I love my successful wife and all the other men are all so profoundly wounded by their wives or now ex-wives' success, except Jace is okay.

Jase is trying to support Michaela. He's also like, I just want to fuck one. He just wants to have sex. Oh, my wife is so traumatized. I can't even fuck my wife. Not that I'm saying that that wouldn't be very difficult. Yeah. For him to be in.

Those guys I actually feel for them. Like they're also getting divorced. But that's like they're really. I still don't like his face though. The problem is I just, I'm not upset about his trauma. I'm more upset about just like, I don't like the cut of your jib. Yeah. Yeah.

Those, well, see, yeah, I disagree there. I feel like those two, I'm just like, wow, you guys are just like trying your best and dealing with a lot. But like every other couple, I either. Because they're also getting. divorce so too. They're getting divorce so too. Everyone's life is in shambles except for Whitney. But also Jesse, by the way, said and call her daddy that Jordan had taken like a screen, like a video of all of the text messages she had with Marciano. Again, just like just text messages and would pull it up every time they would get into a fight and be like, I'm going to post it.

I'm going to post it. I'm going to post it. I'm going to post it. I'm going to ruin. That's the kind of man you want to stay. No, get that divorce, bitch. Get that divorce. Fucking run away. Yeah. You imagine having a partner that just like continuously threatens you. It's like with something like that where it just, you need a partner in this.

Can you imagine how difficult it is to work in reality television? You need somebody to be on your side. Yes. And these women, a lot of them don't have it. And, yeah, and this is in no way to apologize for Taylor, Frankie, Paul's, domestic. violence. And I think that, yeah, she has, she has, none of these women have any... Dakota ain't good either. I mean, I don't think he's innocent in any of this either. Dakota's awful, but like Taylor Frankie Paul obviously has no perspective. She's speaking openly in

season four. I mean, all of, entire season four is like Chekhov's reality show because it's just like, they are filming this when they don't know what is going to happen. And they don't know. And the entire season is her being like, I think that I'm really traumatized and fucked up. I think that I'm in a horrible toxic relationship with the Cota. I think I shouldn't do Bachelor. I think I shouldn't do like it is. I think this is going to end really badly. I think it's going to end badly.

Like out of her friends being like, Taylor, I think you are really, really in an unsafe place and I think you really need help or something really bad's going to happen. And lo and behold, it's very difficult to watch. It is and yet, oh, I'm watching it. I said to you before this episode, I was like, oh, I feel like I didn't even get that far. and it's like, I'm at the end of episode eight. So it really is out of 10.

It is one of those where I'm like, I shouldn't be watching this. I shouldn't be click. I shouldn't be watching. No, no. Next episode shouldn't be watching this. And this is how reality television gets you. It is how reality television gets you. I gave up 90-Fiance.

Okay? I gave up 98 fiancé because they were so bad about doing background checks. I had, I was like, I need to. stop watching this show. And I, so it's like I did that. So everybody, round of applause for me.

Thank you so much. I did do that. And maybe it's because I just ran out of time and I don't have time to watch a 90-day fiancé. But maybe it's because I took a stand. You have principles. I do, I still stand by the distinction between a reality show that is meant to enrich itself

off of the humiliation of regular people, a la love is blind or age of attraction, which I also want to talk more about. and like the real housewives franchise, which is horrible rich people enriching themselves. And so I feel like less guilty about that because they're exploiting themselves for their own enrichment. And I feel like the Mormon wives really occupy this fascinating space where like they are compelling people. And like they are Taylor Frankie Paul, domestic violence accepted. They are like not horrible people.

So I'm like, do I feel bad participating in a project that isn't riching you? not as bad as I might feel taking part in some other reality. You know what I mean? I feel it's morally ambiguous. And am I just making excuses? Are we making excuses? Yes. Of course.

I'm here right next to you making the same excuses. They're just compelling people. It's incredibly compelling television. Yeah. I'm also, honestly, I am fascinated by the world of people that live in a McMansion life. Yeah. I think there's also that that I'm so. curious about that. It's like, I can't imagine. I just saw that. I think Whitney put up her

Utah home, that this huge, it's like, you know, multiple bedrooms. And she put it up for like 895. And all I think of is like, the two bedroom you can get in New York for that. Oh, not even. I'm sorry, the studio you might be able to get in New York for that. I think about what I could, like, I could get a third of a house in Los Angeles for something like, it's like, And I think about that and I think about such different places where people are living where your money goes in different ways. And it's, like, and you have different things. And, like, it's also thinking about, like, the generational wealth within it and thinking about that whole world. And, like, they grew up in that world.

So they were told to have, they have to have, like, I'm fascinated because also I am fascinated by the Mormon side of all of this. And in a way that, like, it is the opposite spectrum of where Natalie's. with the Mormon religion is where I just, I'm not going to say the word brainwashing, but it is so interesting to watch people that get out of it. Yes. And their perspective, you know, it's like I agree. And I know that it's not even really about that anymore,

but think about where it started versus where it is now. Think about where their brains were. Yeah, I also think that that's really interesting because, yeah, in season one, the whole project was that they were like, we're Mormon women, but we're like challenging the patriarchy of Mormonism. And we're also changing like non-Mormon's perspective of Mormonism. And fast forward to season four and it's like, very few of them are Mormon anymore. Or they're like Mormon and like, I feel like they're like identity Mormons, but not like religious Mormons.

And yeah, no, it is, it is fascinating. It's complete, I think that us reading Heather Gay's memoir was very helpful because it really explained. MJ, are you going to read Heather Gay's new domestic thriller? MJ, you love a domestic thriller. Heather Gay wrote a domestic thriller, you have to read it, MJ. Okay, I'll read it. I was afraid

you were going to ask me, am I going to read Macy's memoir from Secret Lives and Mormon Wives? And the answer to that is, I'm asleep. I heard about her Hillen Journey, and I'm very, I'm proud of her. I'm not saying, it seems like that she, I think she said it was her lifelong dream to write this book. In fact, She's even come out and said it makes her very sad because I guess they cut a lot of her book tour from the show. Well, in the show they're like, no one's buying your books.

No one wants to come to your book tour. Yeah. But they do. But then they, but at the same time, that is like we all, we know on the side of like the PR entertainment side that they were hoping she was going to be able to fill bigger theaters, bigger, like, area. But that's okay. Sometimes you learn, okay, we're not selling as many tickets. Let's renegotiate. And she did.

They moved it to a smaller venue. Something where I looked at that and I was like, that's a success, Macy. Totally. Looking at something and acknowledging, okay, this isn't selling as well as I want it to. But rather than making it look like a failure, how do we eat our dignity, change it, and make it better on the whole? And I think that that's, I'm proud of them for making that decision. And I feel like that's something that could have been explored more. But I know a lot of people don't give a shit about that stuff.

They only want the drama. And that's literally what Macy said. She was like, my storyline was only positive. And there was no drama at any of it. She's like nice and still religious. And yeah, like not messy. And I think that she's obviously part of it. She's part of Mom Talk.

Maybe Mom Talk needs her to survive. She does some mediation between people. but really, I think the moneymakers are Taylor Frankie Paul or used to be moneymaker and, you know, knee and like the bitches. People want the bitches. Right. But also, sorry, Eternal Glow. A debut thriller novel by Real Housewives of Salt Lake City star Heather Gay. Star, Heather Gay is set for release on October 6th. The book is a dark quirky, Mormon thriller and body horror satire about a Utah mom whose life unravels after a dangerous beauty procedure. Did you, Heather Gay, watch the substance and think that's a more me right there

and just try to write your own domestic thriller substance? Heather. That's quirky. Heather. I will admit that Heather Gay is very funny, but I don't think that she's like funny in a way that she could write a funny book. I think she's just funny to listen to talk. But now I want to read it even more.

It's quirky. I need to read it. I don't want to read anything. Wow. My other gay that is described as quirky. Quarky. But it's more me. It's more me quirky. Isn't that what you want, MJ?

I will not be reading that. I apologize. You could read it. You like body horror. Body horror stuff my thing. I do like body horror. I feel like this is, it really should have led with body horror rather than the word thriller because I feel

like those are two very different genres. Yes. I like thrillers. Do you like body horror? I like body horror. Yeah, it's very different. Yeah, they're... Put on Ugly Step Sister.

Oh, my God. Dude, Ugly Step Sister was so good. Oh, yeah? Yeah, but not for you. It is the opposite of a movie for you, especially if you don't like body horror. But if you do like body horror and you haven't seen Ugly Step Sister,

go over to Shutter and watch it. It's great. It follows like the more of the original story of... Like, you know, I love it. Every time they're like, oh, it's like more of the original fairy tale. It's like, oh, good. So you're just telling me it's,

It's real fucked up. Okay. Great. It's real fucked up. And the answer is, yes. But it really has a couple of moments that even me, MJ, I was like, oh, oh, oh, God, oh, God. And if you can push me to that point, yes. Oh, my God.

Give me, give me, give me. Yeah. No, that's a no. Give me, give me more. And I know I'm not going to push much further about Project Hail Mary, but I wanted to let everyone know that there is a moment. moment in Project Kail Mary, which I'm not even going to say, like, for me was like something I'll always remember. It's just that it brought back the song, Sign of the Times by Harry Styles back into my life. And I, this morning on the way to work, listen to it on repeat and just

cried, cried. And so if you're looking around at your life and you're just like, oh, I'm just crying all the time and everything is so difficult, maybe you need to listen to a song that ends with, We got to, we got to get away. We got to get away. And you're just screaming, we got to get away. We got to get away. That's the song for you. If you're just sad about a lot of things right now, you called.

Just stop. You're crying. It's the side of the times. We're all crying and the end is near and we got to get away from here. And I just wanted to throw that out there that I had to send the song to MJ before we recorded so MJ could listen to the song at least once so they knew how sad I am. I personally have an experience that is like, it's like a, there's, I don't know what to name it. It's like a recency nostalgia when like this song is only from 2017. It's not that long ago.

And probably like you weren't even that. Yeah, it was a lifetime ago. And probably you weren't even happy during that time. But then you listen to a song now, you listen to a song from that period now, and you're like, life was so much simpler then. And I thought I was unhappy then. Yes, exactly. It's like a revisionist nostalgia where you're like, it would have been better in 2017. Yeah.

And maybe it was, objectively. Perhaps it was. Tell me that the end is near. We got to get away from here. And that's why to combat the sadness, last night I started, they just, they just, put out the second season. All right, MJ, you know my, I dare say I think it is my favorite show of all time, Taskmaster. And I have talked at you about it for years.

And in the UK, comedians are more respected than they are here. And I, this show called Last One Laughing, they did, they have done it now in many different countries. And they put, I think, like 12 comedians into a. room. Oh, excuse me, it was based on a Japanese show. It started as a Japanese show. And they put 10 comedians in a room, 12, I don't know how many. And they can, for six hours, they cannot smile, they cannot laugh. Oh, fun. And some of them know each other. Some of them don't know each other, but then they also have to randomly, a phone will ring because people are, you know, the two hosts are

watching them the entire time. And they all have prepared bits that they have to go up. But a lot of, it's not just comedy, it's everything because they have to perform while also not smiling and not laughing to get the other people to either smile or laugh. Love this. And there was a point that one of the people was doing, that was reading

rage, rage against the dying light. And she was doing like farting jokes through it and did the whole thing. And at one point once someone just went, because they couldn't hold the laugh in so much that they erupted into almost a demon

like sound because she was just sobbing and she's like trying not to laugh and then just like lost that it's this that's what I need this is what I need I shouldn't be listening to silent times on repeat I need to put on last one laughing and it it's just and I know a lot of the people from taskmaster specifically and so it does also feel like oh man I know all these people of course immediately I'm like LPN has to do a version of this at some point, I feel like, of all of us in a room trying not to make each other laugh because I feel like Holden would be evil. Oh, man, this is a game he was born to play.

Because there's a comedian named Sam Campbell, and I fucking love Sam Campbell. He is an Australian comedian, and he comes in, and I was like, he's going to fucking rip through this because he's so good, especially with the British ones, they're so good at being deadpan that watching them break each other is so satisfying. Yeah. It's so, it's just, it really, we got to get away. And then we just got to just get into a room and make each other laugh. Yeah. No, this is how, you know, both, neither of us, you know, often seek out comedy. Sometimes both of us have a little bit of a reservation about seeking out comedy. And then when Gideon and I went on our Christopher guest spree, I was just like, oh, laughing feels good. Perhaps I should watch things

about not or not about people being exploited or kill. Right. And it really is, and I'm like, but I love to be scared or sad. Right. And I forget that there are other emotions that you can feel when you watch television. And in fact, that I like laughing so much that I pursued it as a career, but that I forget that I want to do it at the end of the day. Yeah, that I genuinely enjoy laughter and not just something I do for work, which is why we should be watching last. one laughing. And also again, if you've never tackled taskmaster and you want to laugh, there are so many episodes. If you want to really truly shut your brain off, just start Taskmaster. And it will, it got me through COVID. It is what, I know it is what kept my brain positive at all.

Okay. I am, I am going to, going to raise this at the next sitting down, what are we watching, meeting that my husband and I will have. Okay, you're going to approach. I mean, I will also look through the different, look through the different seasons because it's like, Noel Fielding's on a season, you know, it's like you've got Mel and Sue that would like the hosts from Great British Bakeoff that used to be like, it's like there are, there are many people that you will recognize through the seasons. So fine, because it's like it, you became, it's a parissocial relationship show. Now I understand in the way, like, because I don't listen to podcasts, but I do.

feel like I know everyone on Taskmaster and I feel like if I ever saw them in person I'd probably lose my mind and only for the show Taskmaster though. Okay. Well, what we, I realize I'm like, what are Gideon watching? And we are watching a comedy. We went back to start again because we started it 10 years ago and I stopped because it was like too upsetting, but very funny. The comeback with Lisa Kudrow. Oh my God. Are you watching the new one? Because I also, yeah, that's why we restarted it. Remember when we talked about it? Remember when we talked about it? because I asked you if I should watch it. Yeah.

And you said at the time, I remember you talking about at the time. So viscerally uncomfortable if you've been around actors that I was like, Gideon and I started it back in like 2013 when I think I was still a little bit more in the scene. And I was like, I can't. It hurts. Because she is,

Lisa Kudra was so good. She is so funny. She is so good. She plays like a B-List sitcom star who's like desperate to stay young and hot and relevant. and she's like deeply insecure. And she is so, so good, but like exquisitely funny, like in a painful way. And so we started season one 10 years ago.

We stopped. But season one is from 2005. And then season two of the comeback was 10 years later, 2015. And now 2026 is season three, 10 years later. And it's back. And so that we started season one so that we can catch up. go to, you know, go through the rest of it. But it is, it is very good.

It's so good because after we had that conversation, I think I watched like the first half of the first season and I did, but it was like, it hurt my stomach. I just like, I'll come back to this. This is hurting me more than I think it's helping me right now. It's one of those like, it's like the viscerally uncomfortable comedy, which is often not my style, which is I think why we stopped. But now I'm watching it and I'm just like, now I'm just able to just like, appreciate it. I'm just like Lisa Kudrow is a master.

Like like like she's so good. And there was just she just did an interview that I thought was actually very moving where she was like she was talking about the comeback and also talking about friends. And she was like, why would I be ashamed of being known for friends? She was like, friends changed my life. And it was a wonderful experience and I'm proud of it. And I'm happy that that's what I've known for. And I was like what a nice way to like reclaim being kind of seen as a one-hit wonder of an actor, you know? She's not, how dare. She's not.

She's very talented. But I just really, yeah, and of course, like, let's not forget all of the other great things she's made, Romeo and Michelle's high school reunion and everything. But, like, she was like, why would I be upset to be known as Phoebe? I love Phoebe. It was a huge part of my life. Huge part of my life. That's really nice.

That's really beautiful. That makes me, that makes me, also because she still makes millions every year off of it. So I really feel like it's one of those. Like, can you really hate it for me? ever that you make millions off it without having to do anything extra? Yeah. You like, right?

If it floats your life. But, you know, I am, but she is still an amazing actress. And MJ, I thought about you. Which I forgot. We haven't brought it up yet. MJ, I went and sought out rope. Oh, the Alfred Hitchcock movie that you said

was your favorite. My favorite Hitchcock. And Adam and I, the four of us, we were on a little double date movie hang, and we were talking about, I was like, oh, I wanted to watch another Alfred Hitchcock movie. And then I was like, you know, actually, literally what made us choose was because we didn't have a lot of time. And so Rope was one of the shortest Alfred Hitchcock movies. And I was like, well, this is great because it's also MJ's favorite. And I would love to watch it and see, and you know what, I'm going to say it, MJ, I judged you. Really?

I judged you up top because I was like, let's see what. MJ's favorite horror, you know, thriller is from Alfred. I know, she's not horror. It's more thriller. But the weird experimental. Let's see. So let's see how many puppets are in it. Let's see if there's any tap dancing in it, like how many.

And of course, it opens up on two dandies and I'm like, oh, now I immediately see why MJ's into this. But then, man, I proceeded to, I tell you, I sew my mouth shut. I was so wrong about judging you on this goddamn. damn movie. You know, I love a movie that feels exactly like a play. It is, it is. It is a play. It is a play. It was a play. It was a play adapted into a movie and that it was a movie filmed

like a play. Makes sense. That all makes it. And yet though, MJ, wow. Yeah, right? It is so well done. It is so well written. It is so, like, we were gripped. All afterwards, it was just like, man, that is effective. Beautiful.

beautiful cinema. It was just like, wow. I'm reading from the Wikipedia about Rope right now. Each shot ran continuously for up to 10 minutes, the camera's film capacity without interruption. It was shot on a single set aside from the opening, establishing shot street scene under the credits. So it literally feels like a play because it looks as close as you could do at the time

in the 40s. It looks like one shot. It looks like there are no cut. As close to it as it could be. And that's crazy because back then. right it was like uh adam you it was like the film reels it was like only they only had like literally

like 10 minutes of film a film meg only goes for like 10 to 11 minutes so it could only do that every time and then they would like they would cut it on like a zoom in like a suit or something and then they would cut and then it would come back out so it looked and if you've ever

watch old movies you see the cuts are often like very obvious yes but in this yeah it's it's set up to look like a one shot is as closest to a one shot as they could do at the time. And so, yeah, it is, it's just, it's this very intimate play-like experience where you're just in this one room the entire time and this one scene the entire time. That's a bottle movie. Like, it really, it's, they're all in this.

And it's a mystery. And yes, Jimmy Stewart is there. If you were wondering, Jimmy Stewart is there. The second Jimmy Stewart. I was like, oh, here's the MJ. Okay, let's see. Let's see how this gets MJ over here. And then I was like, wow.

I was just like, and it's not that I feel like you specifically, MJ, I trust your take in movies. It's just specifically sometimes with thrillers. It's not usually your wheelhouse. But then I should have thought, though, but anyone that you would like is going to be very good. Because it's like even, it is just, because there is no violence even really, like,

I mean, there's a little bit, obviously up top. But in it, it's all just intrigue. It's mystery and intrigue. Yes. I love a psychological, a quiet psychological exploration of a relationship dynamic. That's what thrills me. That's why I'm sorry, MJ, I did judge you at first. That's fair.

It really, it was really fucking good. And I'm not like a film guy. I'm an old film guy, but I'm not even like an old film guy expert. I just like my, I have my greatest hits that I rotate through, and I have my actors that I love that I've tried to see all of their work. stuff. But I discovered Rope in college when I was surrounded by film guys. And they were like good, good smart guys. And that was when I saw all the good smart films. I've seen blue velvet and all the rest, you know. And so you got to get a group of film guys who tell you what to watch, you know.

That's, I mean, it's why I think it's why I was forever transformed by watching whatever happened to baby Jane, because I remember thinking back in the day that I was like, I don't really like old movies. I feel like old movies just don't really get it. And then I had somebody that I was Stupin in the film school. That was just like, yeah, but have you ever, and he started me with whatever happened of Amy Jane, and I watched it, and like, he's like giving me like the trivia as I'm watching. And I'm just like, oh my God, I've never been so wrong.

Yeah, yeah. I feel like shit put a film guy is like a stage of development, you know. Sorry, Adam. I hope that I wasn't talking about you, Adam, obviously. Adam and I never dated, but I'm sorry to talk ill about schoopin film guys out there as you are a film guy. guy. We love a film guy.

I mean, they're great, but they also, you know. Yeah, yeah. They, they, uh, they're a problematic category sometimes. Yes. I mean, I gotta find the good ones. Not to out you, Adam, but you also were dealing with the Tish school of the arts over at NYU. Yeah. I had one of the more obnoxious, you know.

Yeah. No, I don't want to be around those people except you. No, no, no. That's a, that's a Timothy. Well, thank you. You know, yes. No, you are the best of them. You, by far.

Yeah, that's a Timothy and a Lady Gaga singing piano. or singing so loudly that everybody remembers her. Everybody remembers her. I do want to throw it out. Did I already tell you that I referred to him, Timethe, as Shamillama Ping Pong the other day, and I was so upset with myself that we hadn't said Shamalama Pingpong yet. We could have been saying this for a year.

A year. But now we can say it forever, because he's forever ping pong, unfortunately. And I'm going to forever think about that little butt. You know him think about that little butt. Didn't have a butt double. I was... MJ, it was more.

but he didn't have a butt double. I know, and I know I've already grieved about, or not grieved, griped about how boring Marty Supreme I thought was, but I just, we talked about that freaking sex scene, the anticipation of the sex scene between Timothy and Gwyneth for so many months. And then I was like, this? That was it.

This? That was it. It was just that. It was a bloop. Supposed to give him an Oscar for kissing her? I mean, I guess if you can still like, you know, carve an Eldente out of your brain after being just looking at her mug. I guess that deserves an Oscar, but I don't know, man.

And I always, I like her as an actress, but even her and Marty Supreme, I was like, you're boring too. Mine. It was just, I mean, at least there was that little shining star of Odessa Zion throwing that out there. Rachel's, you know how I do love to, and at least, I think I used to be much creepier. I tried to not be as creepy back in the day, but usually when someone meets a celebrity, I usually first question is how do they smell?

Rachel Senate has said because I just saw a random interview with her. She was asked, who have you met that smells the best? And she's like, immediately, she was like, Odessa Zion. Really? Odessa Zion, hands down. Oh, I believe it. She created her own scent that she is now, I guess, trying to sell. And she's like, it's intoxicating.

She's like, you can't. And she's like, and it's not like in a bad way. She's like, it's just like, you smell a hint of it. and you're just like, gah, uh, like, she's like,

it's, it's, uh, it's unbelievable. She's the best smelling person I've ever met. Oh, man. I love that. And I believe it. Oh,

I believe it's true. I believe that. Have you also, are the commercials that you're getting during Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, I exclusively get the commercial with Charlie X, CX, and Rachel Senate for the poppy pot soda,

the probiotic soda that looks like it tastes awful. But it's a, it's an ad with Charlie XXX and Rachel Senate. And, I get that ad and I get an ad that has the actual Jackie Snacky song, the ah, but a nasty girl. And every time I'm like, Jackie Snackies, is that you? Jackie Snackies. Those are the only two ads I get during Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. And I was like, I need to talk. The Charlie X, CX, Rachel Senate ad makes me feel a million years old.

I'm just like, oh, this is youth culture now and I'm not a part of it. And that's fine. I don't need to be. But I love this for you guys. I have a weird hang up with the pre-probiotic soda. Like, I feel it's a sheep and wolves clothing that doesn't taste as good as the wolf. Let soda be soda is what I think. I'd rather just have less wolf than sheep and wolf soda. You know? Yeah.

I haven't had it, so I am talking out my ass. I'm also talking. I think it's literally MJ, it's because someone gave me, like, a while ago. Was it Jake? This is years ago. Someone gave me an alcoholic combination. Right? And in L.A., a lot of people drink the alcoholic kombuchas.

They drink, like, the alternate. And, like, there's a lot of these alternate, like, the sodas or the prebiotic sodas or everything. And I'm just, like, I look at it. And I have just taken a personal stand against that stuff, specifically that stuff. It annoys me that it's so expensive. It annoys me that I'm sure it tastes fine. But I just feel like it doesn't taste good enough in the same.

same way where it's like, I'm not going to use the Molly McButter, Linda. I don't want to use the Molly McButter. I'm just going to use regular butter. I'm going to use Ross of it. Well, Jake, Jake brought you, I know he didn't bring you a poppy, but he brought me, I can't remember if it's Bella Hadid or Gigi Hade. I think it's Bella Hadid. Yeah, it's the kin, euphoric, uh, yes, non-alcoholic cocktail soda or whatever that you guys both hated. It's, yep, it's a lot of times you drink it and you go floral. It's a lot of floor. As someone that I live with a sober husband. So it's like,

when it's like lots of mock tales and can't's floral. Yeah. Yeah. And I want to root for Bella Hadid. Or it's like musky. It's musket. Or it's floral. Yeah.

Yeah. So I am going to tell Jake to bring in a poppy though for Jakey's slikies because I think we need to find out. Yeah. We need to get into some poppy. And they're always coming up with limited edition flavors. I mean, they really do try to shove it down people's throats. If Charlie XXX and Rachel said it like it,

maybe it'll make us feel young, Jackie. I don't think it will. And I do, like, I feel like, it's like, see the young people are drinking the health they It's hot. It's like, I feel like they're just drinking water. I think they're drinking water and doing cocaine is what they're doing. Yeah, man, and testing it for fentanyl, we hope. Good, good.

Yes, but, you know, I don't think that the young people are watching Invincible. That's for damn sure. Or maybe they are. I don't know. Invincible just came back. MJ, this show is, I, it is this show that Jeff has read. There's like many, many comics of it. And it's very, it is like the boys, but to me much better.

Mark Hamill and Walton Goggins are there. Yo, it is, it is such a brutal show about in a world where superheroes exist and they are known. And it's also dealing with like the trauma of killing many people. in hopes to save people and it is very upsetting. It is very shocking. It is like,

it's just, and Jeff has been watching me and watching this story because I knew nothing about it like after, like before getting into it. Now we're in the fourth season and every once in a while

Jeff will just like look over at me as a while and I'm like, oh God, what's about to happen? Why? What's about to happen? And then I'm just like, mouth agape. Just like, what?

What? What? Like, literally watch the first episode. And if you don't like the first episode, you will not like any of it. And that is because it really, the first episode is very brutal. Okay. And it is so well done. And as someone that is married to somebody that really loves the comics, apparently they're also doing a very good job.

Okay. With the show. All right. And it is, but really, when I say brutal, it's, it's very upsetting. Okay. And mouth agape upsetting. Interesting. It is a wonderful story.

It really, and if you like, like me, if you got a little disenfranchised with the boys after time where you're just like, oh, oh, yep, he's a Nazi guy. Yep. All right. Oh, it's the worst that they could do. Oh, yep. That's, wow, they're doing the worst. This is like the psychologically the worst. You know, it's like, rather than like, like, you know, it's like, rather than, like,

Like, yeah, anyone can torque it up and then you're, you know, doing horrific things for horrific sake. Right. You can definitely, there is that and people like that. And that's for you and I get that. But this is just a really good show. Like a devastating animated superhero show? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Interesting. Well, my husband loves superheroes, but he doesn't like to watch devastating things. So. This is not for him. I will see. I will see.

This is not. But bring it up to it maybe. But it might be in a lone time giddy. show. Okay. Have you seen Invincible? Do you like Invincible? Yeah.

Oh, he's seen it and he likes it. Okay. All right. All right. We got the lawyer's perspective. We got the lawyer's perspective and he's coming in suspended in air. He's just a little bit too violent for me. Little too violent.

Yeah, I imagine. It's very violent. And again, when I'm almost kind of looking away at, cartoons, that's crazy. Yeah. Where you're just like, stop, stop doing it. And maybe I'm just extra sensitive right now because MJ, right now Natalie and I are starting into the world of Crescent City book three over on LPN Romanticy Deep Dives.

And for those of you that are not familiar with the world of Crescent City, the third book is very, very divisive. And it is also, it is many hundreds of pages of very, very. upsetting and we are getting in a isn't it supposed to be a no okay all right no this one isn't

the crescent city it's that's what people don't understand the crescent city of it like how I talk about in the world of sooky stackhouse over Jackie's book club the crescent city in the world of akatar these are all written by sarah j moss so akatar and throne of glass and crescent city now they are all in different like

different worlds crescent city is written in like a cyberpunk, it's like a cyberpunk brutal mystery. Okay. And it is, it is very, it's very upsetting. And while there are sex scenes in it,

it is really not seen as a, it is definitely more of a mystery, a trauma. Oh, fun. Then I would say that it is a fuckbook. Wow. Especially this third one. Okay.

And, So how are you and Natalie going to make it a rom? That's a fun challenge. You know, we really, we get in there and we really try to, it's going to be interesting. But definitely check it out. Those episodes will be dropping. We'll let you guys know when the episodes drop. We're just now like trying to get ahead before we can start releasing them.

But I am just surrounded by torture right now. And it is, I think that's why it's like I love the inventive. I love crying and listen to Sign of the Times, but like, I'm really leaning on the last one laughings of life right now. Yeah, yeah. Because I need just something that's good. I mean, that's why I'm also in between. I just finished Kiss of the Basel, the second one, between two princes. And MJ, talk about the upset I felt because I didn't realize it was a duo.

I didn't know that it was going to end at the end of the book. I thought that there was going to, I know that there's another book coming, but I found out then it's a prequel. It doesn't continue the story. The story ended and I cried and I cried and I cried because the story ends. MJ, you know I hate when a story ends. You know I hate it and I have to prepare myself for when a story ends and I got to the end of the book last night and I was like, let's it. And I thought I was going to have a panic attack and I didn't know that the story was and then I'm like, am I that sensitive and broken that I didn't know the story was going to end and I almost had a panic attack about it.

And then I realized it's because we're all at an 11. We're all torqued up to an 11. So sometimes you read the end of a book and you're sad. Okay. I mean, this is why I've been re-listening to my cozy murder mysteries that are very nonviolent murder mysteries interspersed with baking recipes. But I really... Baking recipes.

What is it? What is it like, like, oh, the pastry killer. Yes, literally. That's it. That's all I can come up with. The pastry killer. I could read you my, my audible library right now.

It is, I'm currently reading chocolate cream pie murder. Every book. Wait a second. Hold the phone. Haven't I talked about this? No, you have not told me about chocolate cream pie murder.

And is it not a romance? There's no cream pies in it. Except actual cream pies? Okay, these are books written by, I think, in like the late 90s slash early 2000, cell phones are not. So also there's some books that involve like too bad Hedda had left her cell phone in the car. Like cell phones are not a part of it.

And every title is a different pastry. Joanne Fluke. Let me read you my book history right now. Triple chocolate cheesecake murder, chocolate cream pie murder, strawberry shortcake murder, Christmas cake murder, Christmas cupcake murder, caramel pecan roll murder. Jay Bad J.

This is what I do. This is what I do. Who needs a therapist? Why are you reading this? Raspberry Danish murder. But here's the... Who needs a therapist? Raspberry Danish murder.

But here's the thing, Jackie. They're not violent. They're like a... They're an old lady's fantasy of what life should be like. I'm sorry Joanne Fluke if you're young. I just assume because it's just... It's set in a fictional town in northern Minnesota.

And it is a romance. Joanne Fluke is 83 years old. She's still putting them out there, man. She is still going. Joanne, nothing's stopping Joanne, all right? My mental health depends on her continuing to write these. But it's one lady, and she's torn between two men. There's the bad boy cop and the good boy dentist.

But there's never any kissing. There's no sex. There's nothing. Why are you reading this sex? They are so soothing, Jackie. And then it'll be like, It'll be like, and that's when they opened the bedroom door and found a body. And then it'll be like, but then it'll be like raspberry Danish muffins.

Oh. Take two cups and the audiobook literally reads the recipe. Read the recipe. In between every chapter is a recipe. I got a hit of Joanne Fluke. How do I start narrating these books? I want to start narrating these books. Joanne hit me up.

I know you're listening to this podcast. Also, please. One more bit about the cozy mysteries. The recipes are... I want all of the bits about the cozy mysteries, MJ. The recipes are disgusting. Oh, yeah. It's perfect.

They're like, it's like a slow cooker crock pot recipe that is just just exclusively different cans of cream of mushroom. Dump one can of cream of mushroom soup. Oh, dump one can of cream of celery soup. And no... I grew from the Midwest. I got no judgment about those. But then there's also all the desserts are made. Whip. It's that type of recipe book. And they're just recipes that are not in my wheelhouse.

No judgment if that's the type of recipe you like. But they're just, they are like late 90s convenience recipes. And it's a thrill to hear her read them. MJ, did you know that you could own your own copy of Joanne Flukes, Lake Eden cookbook, colon, Hannah Swenson's recipes from the cookie jar? I need it. know that there's a whole book of just the jot recipes that you could have. The recipes from Hannah Swenson's cookie jar. Cookie jar is the name of her bakery, Jackie. Oh, it's recipes from the cookie jar.

It's the name of her bakery. And yes, many people have been murdered there, okay? And she always finds the body. They should shut down the bakery. As anyone thought, maybe the bakery is culpable. They should investigate Hannah Swenson. She's the only person in Lake Eden, whoever finds a body. Weird.

But they've never thought that she's a suspect. But, weird. Anyway, it is a genre of book that doesn't exist anymore. Wow. It is a genre of

book for the 80 plus set. MJ, I need to know these books are still coming out. You think that that book was written so long ago. It was released in

2019, MJ. Really? Oh, Joanne Fluke. Hey, nothing stopping this bitch. She is still releasing books and no one's ever going to beg her to stop releasing

these books because even last year she released pumpkin chiffon pie murder. That's great. You never have to stop until she's dead. And you can just keep on, keep it on. Now, are you getting these through? Jeff was just telling me yesterday and I just signed up for it. We're not like working with them. The Libby app is unbelievable. Also, I didn't know the Libby app, which is through libraries. And I don't know. I guess it's not just the California library system. Do you have the Livy app? I don't. I don't, but everybody swears by the Libby app. I need to get on it. I just, I'm, I'm, I'm one of those where I, like, have an audible subscription that I forget about. And then I look and I'm like, oh, I have credit.

So it feels like it's free, but it's not free. Same. And I also do, like, the Kindle Unlimited. So I feel like I have it because all of my, like, novel, like my monster novellas are all on that stuff. But I didn't realize that they had audiobooks. Yeah. I found out yesterday. I was like, oh, Libby has audiobooks?

Oh, then I'm getting over to let. I didn't know that. People are crazy about Libby. Yeah. That's, it's really unbelievable asset of just throwing that out there for people. Remember, the public library has a lot and it also does have audiobooks. Very good. And it has DVDs that you can rent too.

Yes, we love a library. Not rent. Borrow. Wow. Was that just a plug for the library? Yes, it was. It was just a little plug. Just go out and visit your local library.

We are here at page 7 are pro librarian and don't let anybody tell you otherwise. I really thought she was done. I'm so glad there's more books I haven't read. I thought I read all of them. Oh, no, nobody's going to stop. Her ever. Sorry to interrupt, but there's also movies. What?

Six movies for Hallmark. No. No. Murder she baked. No murder she baked. Are you kidding me? Adam. Carrick Burger, Hannah Swenson Mystery.

We can watch them all. Oh my God. One bad apple. A Hannah Swenson Mystery. Sweet revenge of Hannah Swenson mystery. Oh my God. There's multiple murder she baked. Oh my God.

And I know this bitch who's playing Hannah Swenson. Who is she? We know her. The bitch from Hallmark. She is a Hallmark as bitch. Allison Sweeney. Allison Sweeney. I must just know her from other Hallmark things.

I only know her from Hallmark things. And days of our lives. And days of our lives. Yes. Oh my God. That is where I know her from. Adam. Oh, my God.

Oh my gosh. Yes, she was on days of our lives forever. There's murder she baked a chocolate chip cookie mystery. Murder she baked a plum pudding mystery. Oh my God. She made a peach cobbler mystery. MJ, you never have to be a parent ever again. You can just be, you can be a baker mystery maker instead.

You know what it was? I started listening to these when I was pregnant and I could not find relief via intoxication. And I was like, how can I escape? I'll read these books. And it turns out they're great, even when. you're not pregnant. Wow. I see never in my wildest

would I ever try to read one of these books. But I would watch one of the movies. I would watch Murder She Baked, though, if you want me. You know what, MJ, how about we save it? And we'll do a watch along when we have our network break in May and we will do a watch along. This will be MJ's watch long.

We didn't do the Sex and the City movie. And we will do maybe murder she bake. You know what? You get to pick. Whatever Joanne, Luke, movie you want to watch, we'll watch it. I can't believe this. I can't believe I've never come across the movies.

Adam, you made dreams come true today. Thank you, Adam. Thank you, Adam. This is the gift that keeps on giving. MJ, you were looking for your own taskmaster. You just found it. I just found it. It is through thriller baking product media.

Oh, my God. I'm so happy. I'm just so happy. I really needed this, Adam. Thank you so much. He's got a dump bunch of evaporating milk onto a bunch of jump of chocolate chips And then you got to dig a jump of cream of mushroom soup put it right on top I'm just listening to the recipes I'm like what?

Oh my God Oh god it is hard it's like there's something about like audio books are amazing as someone I narrate audio books I love audio books I mostly consume audio books but sometimes when you are reading something like with a recipe, whether they have multiple recipes, or something like I was reading Patricia wants to cuddle, which is about a reality show where they end up dating a bigfoot instead, because they're all like on this island kind of thing, and they were supposed to be dating each other,

but they end up dating Bigfoot instead. But there's a lot of like AOL chat conversations, so they just keep reading out all of the stories. screen names over and over. And I was just like, I can't. Like, I had to put the book down because it was, I was like, I don't, you don't need to read it every time. You don't need to read it. But you do have to read it every time. And I know this as an audiobook narrator, but it's just so annoying that I had to stop. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, listening to the recipes is this, I don't think there's anyone else on earth who would enjoy it. It is excruciating, but for some reason it helps me.

But I think that I'm going to have to take a break because I do think Jackie and I have discussed perhaps bringing back a little bit of celebrities so that we can read Liza Minnelli's memoir, kids, wait till you hear this because it looks just so juicy. You know it's juicy, and you know she didn't hold back because, I mean, why does she have to? I'm sure a lot of the people

are talking about her dead. You probably say whatever the fuck she wants, you know? Man, she recently, it was some big anniversary, and she was on stage in L.A. singing, and it was, I, I mean, she does, I mean, she still can sing, she's still Eliza.

It's just watching it, I was, it was like a Tim Curry listening to the Tim Curry audiobook where I'm like, I do hope she wanted to do this. Yeah, we're just, you know, where it was like when Mr. Feeney was on Dancing with the Stars, where it's like, perhaps you're just at an age where you should stay home more. And I'm sorry to be agist, but you seem like perhaps this might be a little bit too demanding for where you're at right now. It seemed very, it seemed very demanding. but I mean she seemed like she was having a great time

because at the same time, who am I to say like she's up on, say, she still is performing. If she's having a great time. She's still performing, you know? If she's having a great time, that's great. I think one of our issues with the Tim Curry book is that he did not seem to be having a great time. Didn't sound like it.

And certainly Mr. Feeney did not look like he was having a great time at Dancing with the Stars. Dick Van Dykes having a marvelous time, you know, so it's really not about Drake. But he's also crazy. Because I watched a Scrubs episode from like 20 years ago that Dick Van Dyke was on and I'm like very old. Man, he was so old then. And then looking at it, I'm like, and that was 20 plus years ago. That's crazy. I know. He was one of my early celebrity crushes too, which.

And he's still working out. Like people, it's like, he's still does, like, gets on the floor and does like sit-ups and stuff. Like, he's like, that's the key to, quote-unquote, the key to his health is that he does like these like calisthenics things every day. And he's still able to move. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's, he's not too old to be outside, even though he's 100. But, well, you know, put him under a parasol or something.

I feel like he should be, like, at least shalacked with some kind of hardening substance, right? Yeah, you're going to want to protect him. What is it? Yeah, when you have, like, the wood, when you make wood armor, this is a D&D thing, and I'm ruining it right now. It's something like, it's like, I make myself hard. I make, bark. That's bark skin. That's what it is.

You say bark skin, and then you can bark yourself up. And it's not going, oh, roar, roar, no, it's looking like an ent. And then you make yourself a little endish. And isn't that beautiful? And isn't that what we all want at the end of the day? That is very nice. And before we go, I just want to say thank you to everyone who is sending me the KFC pickle puffer. Because Jackie also did include it.

Yes, it's a pickle puffer. It is a jacket. It is a jacket filled with pickles. It's full of pickles. What do I do with my cone? When it's all full of pickles, I suck it out. Because sometimes with the pickle puffer, you can suck out the juice. And I'm honestly reading the article, and there's really no clarity about what the pickle, like, are the pickles real?

It's a verbal puffer jacket. Are they props? MJ with sliced pickles and pickle brine. Okay. And there's a built-in straw so you can sip out of your jacket. What's the problem? What are you worried about how to clean it? What are you worried about what do you do with it?

They're worried about where do you put it? I was assuming they must be like pickle charms or something. Not, dude. Jibbets. They're real. They're real. They're real. And this is KFC's pickle buffer.

And it is obviously just a PR stunt. But at the same time, look at us talking about it. What are they even promoting? They don't even sell chicken. I think, I believe they put pickles on one of the sandwiches. Picklemania menu. Oh, it's a pickle mania. It's pickle menu. See, this is why.

This is how nobody knew KFC. When KFC does pickles, they do it right. And I was just upset because I recently purchased KFC put out a line of jelly beans. And I'm holding on to the jelly beans to upset someone on Jackie Snackies. And I'm trying to decide who do I upset. Usually that's Holden. Usually it's obviously Holden. But, you know, then this week he was so excited that I didn't make him sick.

And then that's nice, too. So I'm going to have to hurt somebody else. And it's probably, I guess I'm going to have to get Henry on the show just so I can force him to eat the KFC. Yeah, he made you have the soup drops. I think that you have to make him have the KFC jelly beans for sure. You're right. I think that's definitely like a brother's sister, you know, that's a handshake deal right there. You soup drop a bitch?

I'm a pickle buff of your ass, except I won't. I'm just going to bean. I'm, ew, I'm not going to be in his ass either, though, because that sounds horrific. Ugh. No,

I'm in a full word jelly bean, my brother. Yeah. Not, I'm not shortening in the word. In fact, I'm making it longer. Giant,

you own being, and that's what I'm going to do to my brother. Yeah, yeah. He can take it. What are you going to do to your brother? Are you going to pickle puffer him?

Are you going to send him a pickle puffer? Yeah, maybe I'll get him a pickle puffer. We both, we both love pickles. I mean, this is... It is pickle mania. Hard to get over, you know, KFC.

I don't usually eat there. No, because of the various public image issues they've had over the few decades. Also, I'm going to throw it out there. Really, it's not good enough to combat the issues. That's the thing. I feel like certain things are good enough.

I go to Popeyes, you know. Yes. But yeah, I feel like KFC may perhaps is fallen from grace, but they're trying to claw their way back. And I'm queer and I'll still hit a chick-fil-A every once in a while. You know what I mean? It's like, I'll still hit it every once in a while. Like if I'm on the road, like I might hit a chivalay, you know what I mean?

But like KFC to me isn't worth it. Yeah. Honestly, you know what it is? Not enough chicken on the meat. It's all skin. And while the skin, yes, delicious, not enough meat on it. It looks like you got to go there for the pickles now. Ew.

I hate it. And what life is that? Yeah. Just stop your crying. It's a side of the time. times we gotta go to KFC for pickles. They'll put them in all our coats. What do we do?

They have so many pickles they're putting them in our coats. MJ, what is this world coming to? We've got to stop the episode, MJ. Okay, we've got to stop. We have made a lot of important discoveries today, mostly about my murder cozies. Adam, I'm just so grateful to you.

But don't worry. We'll be back and I won't keep talking about my murder cozies. You can. I'd like to, honestly, I'd like to know more. And I do, after 24 of these books, how does Joanne Fluke still keep it real? I mean, how is she still doing it? They're a dentist and a cop? What?

Like, is it always just different? The plots are remarkably similar. They're just two men with different professions every time. The cop is like a little bit rugged and a little bit bad. And the dentist's mother really wants him to marry Hannah. And he's just, he's just hopelessly devoted to her. It's never going to happen, Norman. Ew, I don't want either one of them.

Is it ever neither one of them? Or does she always have to choose? Is it always like a Bella situation? It is a Bella. But she has to choose. This is the twilight of the cozy mystery genre. Yeah, is it? No, I would not call this a Bella situation.

It's a will-day-will-day. Is this bitch? Is the bitch Hannah Swenson? Is she fucking different every time? There's no fucking, Jackie. There is no kissing. They have never kissed. Not even a kiss.

I don't think they've ever kissed. It is sexless. Even a hallmark has kissing. I mean, I think that she like feels feelings. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they've kissed. If they've done anything, it's never been more than a... You've read so many of these books, quote, maybe she feels feelings.

I love that. I like that is... I want to use... that as a review of the books. Maybe insert the lead character has real, has feelings. It's mostly about solving mysteries, but then every so often, she'll just look at Mike and be like, oh, I wish I could be with Mike. And then she'll look at Norman and be like, oh, I wish I could be with Norman. Oh my God, is his name really Mike like in Desperate Housewives? Is it really just Mike? And he's just as generic as that Mike as well. Wow. That is, before we get out

here just real quick, I wanted to give a little shout out. It's a circle back snackies shout to Seth. Seth that had sent us in, we followed Seth's sisters Etsy or Instagram account and curious creations and Seth brought in that great jerk and like Seth gave a package

and I didn't get to the Mayana chocolate bars that were in this package. It is a small, it's a small local company, I believe it's a Wisconsin-based company. These Mayana, it's M-A-Y-A-N-A, these Mayana little like chocolate bars

are fucking stupid. They were so, so good that I bit into it. I was just like, I immediately had to write a note to bring this back up on the show to say an extra, thank you, Seth.

And also, fuck you, Seth, because I went, and I'm worried I'm about to spend like $80 on my chocolate bars because they're so good. and I want to try them all

and Seth sent me like a limited edition flavor and I can't even get any more of it and it was so good it was like this like passion fruit marshmallow chocolate caramel like it oh my fuck oh and you think I don't care about a marshmallow

bro you would about these fucking marshmallows yeah I'll care about an artisanal marshmallow for sure yo in this chocolate bar yeah and I just want to say thank you, Seth. And for anyone, if you're looking for like, like, oh, someone's birthday's coming up and they really like these kind of things, this is a nice little thing. You can get like a little box. And it is a small company. So, um, wow, really good.

Well, well, while we're saying thanks and specifically about what Seth initiated with the Louisville jerky, because that was Seth also, right? So, so, so a Louisville listener said, I was just about to send Jackie some Louisville jerky. They messaged me, but then they heard the show and they said, can I send it to you instead, MJ. And I said, you bet you can. And so, oh my gosh. I want to say thank you to Morgan from Louisville, who

sent me two bags of Louisville jerky. Yo, have you tried them yet? No, bro. I'm going to wait and try them. I'm going to have a different snackies, well, but I'm going to try them on Tuesday when we record because I... Oh, my God. It's so good. I'm really excited. I'm really set. You, like, ignited.

Wow. set it all on fire. It was beautiful. So thank you, Morgan. And thank you, Seth. And thank you all. Listeners.

You guys are so wonderful. And we love you so much. So, so much. Thank you for coming and hanging out with us every week. We really appreciate it. And thank you for enduring whether or not you were a secret lives of Mormon wives person. Thank you for enduring our conversation regardless. But at least, if anything, we're keeping you our breast of what everybody is talking about right now.

Yes. If we worked in workplaces together, it would be the water cooler conversation. It would be. It would be. And not like the Lion King was a couple of days ago. Because, wow, that really was ripping through the studio. Everybody, have a beautiful week. Just stop your crying.

It'll be all right. It's a sign of the times. Shall we sing the song? Yeah. But it'll be better. A second time around. Yeah. We got to get away.

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