Page 7 - Second Helpings - Song Sung BOOHOO

Episode Date: January 9, 2026

MJ and Jackie are back with another servin' of second helpings! This week we got a big scoopa Ashely Tisdale mommy group drama, MJs  joining Jackie by getting their Plurb on, and Jackie prepares herself to become the horse. In a very normal move Travis Barker bought his daughter lingerie for Christmas, the human fleshbeard Spencer Pratt announced he's running for mayor of LA, and MJ recommends "One Battle After Another" despite the fact that off screen both Sean Penn and Leonardo DiCaprio are turds. Netflix is changing their guidelines to there only being 17 days in the theatre before streaming, Jackie has some super sad movie facts about "The Iron Giant" and MJ watched Knives Out 3! The second season of "The Pitt" started dropping, "Song Sung Blue" trailer was a real head scratcher, and Jackie reads a listener email with some insider hot goss' 'bout that Ariana Ethan showmance, all that and more on this week's Second Helpings!Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The second time. You're damn right. It's the first second help ends of the new year. Are you ready to get full up? Yes, I am ready to get full up. MJ, are you ready to get full up and not full of the spew that you have spewned? I am spew free today. Thank you so much.

They're spew free. It's the way to be. Thank you so much. I'm just remembering to make a note to myself that talk about how I started watching Pluribus, but we don't have to go there right now. Oh shit. Y'all getting plurbed over there. We're getting plurbed.

We're getting one battled after another. Look at you watching things. Yeah, look at me. Look at me in the note. I'm reading about Ashley Tisdale's text. It's a new year and it's the same me and I'm barely hanging on. Yes, just like the toxic mom culture. Don't worry.

That's actually doing really well. I think that that's not barely hanging on. I think the toxic mom culture is in its stride. Oh, toxicity. 2026 is going to be a big year for toxicity. The toxicity of our mothers, of our mothers. Stop, having more babies. All these fucking mothers, these mothers.

I won't continue, but I need you to know I really could continue. I kind of want you to. But it's all right. Holden, of all people, was the one who texted us who was like, be sure that you familiarize yourself with the Ashley Tisdale mom. group chat drama. He keeps coming to me with stories that are going on. Did you hear? It's like, yeah, Holden, I stare at the celebrity gossip websites every day. Yep, I'm seeing it. And yes, of course, because MJ, there's nothing going on with the celebrities right now. So they are, who gives a

fuck about Ashley Tisdale? I'm sorry for our musical ads out there. I'm sorry. It's just I didn't know that at this point, I guess it's more the fact that we all love a mean girl situation. We love, you know, bitches being bitches to each other. And if it means rehabbing the side actress from the high school musical series, then we do it. I'm not even sure if she's acted in anything recently. I guess I can look that up, you know. I guess we could look it up. But what we do know is that she's busy writing articles for the

Cut. Oh my God. Ashley Dillsdale. And for those of you that don't know, oh, God, she went to the cut and she wrote an essay titled, Breaking Up with My Toxic Mom Group. And for the record, I did try to read the original essay because sometimes you write something and it is mischaracterized as people talk about it. This is not mischaracterized. It is. It was behind the paywall and I know I should have done that. And we used the special magic website that everybody said does. And I love the special magic website. And I love the special magic website. And I. can never remember it, but thank you everybody that has sent us the special magic website. Yes, the special magic website way to get around the paywall. But it does seem that this one has not been misrepresented. It's really just a like, like, you know, sometimes you write something and it's because you have something to say. And other times you write something and it's because you want to start shit. And there's no way on God's Green Earth that you, Ashley Tisdale, I'm not going to call you a minor celebrity, but you're, you're, you're somewhere, you know.

I'd say a C. Yeah. I'd say a C. I'd say, yeah, solid C. It's not even a B. Like, for our generation, death, I mean, I would say low B. I mean, Lord knows the reaction we got here at page seven when we watched high school musical.

People are obsessed with those movies. So, yeah, there's a certain point. She's great in the movies, too. She's not saying that. Terrific. I'm more complaining about the, the, this part of it. But here's the, being like, oh, I'm rich and I'm in these rich, Mommy groups and the rich mommies are mean to me with all their much mommies.

And here's the thing. So she, she, she, you cannot write an essay for the cut and be like, I'm leaving my toxic mommy friend group when you have famously like been photographed with and shared about being in a mommy friend group with three other famous people, which includes Hillary Duff, Mandy Moore, and Megan Traynor. Megan Traynor. Wow, what a Trinity. I know. What a trinity of, and I would especially say, could you imagine. The clacking.

I'm sorry. The clacking sounds in these mom groups as they click and clock because they're like, I am. Because of their bones? I haven't eaten in three weeks. But it makes me a better mother. It's just a bag of bones being shaken around. Bags of mother bones out there.

And I'm going to also say, Megan Traynor really bringing down the grade point average of this mom group. Sorry to be a bitch. But like I like Hillary Duff just fine. I've got no problems with Mandy. more. I cannot say either of those things about Megan Traynor. The only thing I will forever remember about Hillary Duff, and I think I bring it up every time, is when there's this video of her, when she was home alone with her, I think she's three or four

kids, and she had just had a baby. And there were these paparazzi that were like standing, they were all in cars outside of her home. And her husband had been, like, had been gone, like, working somewhere else. And she comes out, like, with the, like, baby. And she's covering the children and she's just like, she flips out in all the paparazzi. She was like, leave my fucking family a lot. Like she just had, and I just remember that moment and I was like, I think I like her. I think I like it. Wow.

Hell yeah. Good for you, bitch. Honestly, it's that. It's Lizzie McGuire, which slapped at the time. And it's what dreams were made of, you know? She wrote a great song. Wow, you're right. And so.

Did she write it? Did she write that? She sang a great song. This is what dreams are made. And so for that alone, I would give her, the great point average of the mom group, if Megan Traynor wasn't there, would be, I'm going to say, I don't know, 3.5 out of four. Also, another mark in Hillary Duff's corner because it is Hillary Duff's husband, Matthew Coma, who posted the mocking Instagram story who was very bitchy. Because here's the thing, but the Ashley Tisdale thing, of course, now people that have interacted with her like, oh, she's going to come out and say, it's. everybody else, I'm pretty sure this bitch

I'll be looking in a mirror. And that's essentially what the internet is saying. This is the thing. So she the essay for this, to take it's kind of step by step here. The essay for the cut is breaking up with my toxic mom group and it's by Ashley Tisdale, whose name is now Ashley Tisdale

French and I have not been able to figure out how recently she's been working as an actor. But again, that doesn't matter. She's a, whatever. She has made three successful high school musical movies and at least. And she it continues to be a celebrity-ish person. So you're going to write this essay for the cut, which is, honestly, even if you weren't a celebrity, it's provocative.

Breaking up with my toxic mom. I wouldn't write that myself because of the interpersonal consequences. Like the mom group, now I've alienated all these people in my life. So it's a bitchy move to do even if you're not famous. But again, Ashley Tisdale famously has spoken about and been photographed in her mom. group, which includes these three aforementioned celebrities. So who is the toxic mom now? So then you're going to write an essay about how you're breaking up with your toxic

mom group. And then in the essay, she's like, bitches, don't speculate about who I'm talking about. Bitch, we all know who's in your mom group. You all know who you're talking about. You took a bunch of photos. There's pictures where you all have like jammies and it's all like memes on it. It's like, oh my God, we've all got jammies on. Yeah.

Do you do that with other parents? Do parents get together and put on jammies? Like, I feel like I watch so much real. housewives and secret lives and stuff like that. I see these women like, oh my God, everybody showed up. I got everybody like, yeah, mas. Yeah. I've never sat next to my kin wearing pajamas.

I mean, and you're in a girl group of friends call themselves the theme gals. The theme gals, we don't got jams. No, I don't live that life. Listen, I would. If I had a group of friends who wanted to dress up in matching outfits and take pictures, you know I'd be there. I'm a sketch comedian at heart. I would be there in a heartbeat, right?

You're right. But I think that if you have a problem with the other moms and your mom group, you've got a lot of options. You can stop going. You can talk to them. Those are the two main options. Those are the two main options. And that's a thing, though. Don't you get, like, trapped, though?

I feel like everyone's like, but you get trapped around the kids that your kids like the other kids and then the kids or something. If the kids are all friends, then yeah, I could have. magic, like that's how much I know about being a parent. In something, you'd have a kid, and you win in what? I mean, sure, there can be complicated social dynamics at play, especially once the kids are old enough to have their own opinions about friends. I feel like it usually works the other way where it's like you go into like, oh, me and my best friend from college have kids at the same time and we want our kids to be friends.

And when they're toddlers, yeah, they'll hang out. And then oftentimes at some point you get to a point where the kids maybe are like, this is not a personal example. but like where you can't make your kids be friends, right? And so you sometimes adults will find themselves being like, the adults get along, but the kids don't get along. Kids don't get along. And then, yeah, whatever you figure out what to do.

But like, I feel like what she's just, I don't, I just don't believe there's any way that these kids need each other so much that she had to write an essay at the cut about how she needed to break up with, just stop hanging out with them. It's the ultimate bitch move. It really is to go. And honestly, as a fellow bitch, which I kind of like it.

It is, I mean, to really ruffle this many feathers with like an article at this point is pretty great. It is kind of what we all needed, I feel like. And then, yeah, so there's been a lot. So it started with the cut essay. There's been a lot of backlash. I've learned about Hillary Duff's husband. There are a lot of group pictures of them. Again, you just, you can't.

There's a lot of group pictures and matching clothes. You can't ask. I love a theme. It's just a lot of matching clothes. It's so crazy to be able to get something, like something that looks good on all of them, and you know it doesn't. So you know some of the women are like,

oh, I'm putting this on, but oh, my God, she's showing, oh, I'm only about this. And then they're like, take the picture. But then we put on this on the picture. Yeah, it's like bridesmaid drama, but like for just a random Sunday hang. Also, the kids are nowhere to be found in this thing. No, that's for the brunch.

That's where we did brunch pictures, MJ. And honestly, ain't no way this is about the kids. You know what those bitches are eating. And that is Megan Markle's James. I just wanted to give a quick shout out to Kristen, who wrote in, who did the Lord's Work for us and wrote in a review of all of Megan Markle's jams. I just want to say, I got this on New Year's Eve, and I read the email and I was like,

this bitch did the doity work. And I just want to say, thank you so much, Kristen, because honestly, it was a hilarious review. I will say overall seems the jams, fine. None of them were. The email is so funny. And I love that Kristen was like, my, I think it was like their sister got it for them. It was like it fucking knows me so well. Who was it?

Yeah, my amazing little sister got her three of the Megan Markle jams. And that's such a funny gift for Christmas too. It is such a funny gift. The headline of the email or the subject line is just I was gifted Megan Markle's James, which has been making me loud. Every time I walk into the email. And, yeah, and they point out that the font is a choice, which really, it really, like, what, every step of the way, the jams, again, is.

I could have made the label better on Kanba. Like, I feel like, get me over there. Like, I get, you know. Somebody could have. The spacing is weird. It's truly, like, you got to Google image the as ever jams. Next is the strawberry spread. Wasn't this her headliner?

It's fine. I do like the consistency. Given that if I had to choose one food to eat for the rest of my life, it would be strawberries. Consider this a glaring review. Yeah. Strawberry gym is very good. This is so funny. Thank you so much for setting this.

I just needed to give you a little shout out there. That's great. But yeah, anyway, back to the Ashley Tisdale stuff. Hillary Duff's husband then posted a picture of himself on Instagram with a little The cut icon, just being a little, a little sassy guy, like making his own little, the cut cover. And it says, I also kind of love this because I feel like Hillary Duff knows she really can't do it. But her husband's like, well, I'll fucking do it. I know.

That's, I mean, and I also was wondering about that. That's a partner right there. That's how you fucking do it right there. What was the conversation in that household? Like Hillary Duff's over here steaming. And he's like, well, I'll be a bitch about it. And he posted this like, yeah, like it's like a mock magazine cover. a mom group tell all through a father's eyes.

When you're the most self-obsessed, tone-deaf person on earth, other moms tend to shift focus to their actual toddlers. Burn. It's just so funny that a grown-up child star from one show

is fighting with a grown-up child star from one movie. Yes. Yes, I love this. Not super high-quality franchises either of them. Honestly, guys, is this not the drama

that we're looking for? It is. This is exactly what we're looking for it's low stakes. It does not, you know, it has nothing to do with invading a country or anything. It's like, especially with everything going on. It's like this, let's talk about toxic mom cultures instead. Amongst very wealthy white women. Yes. No, it is. And I can't tell the difference between them. So I'm just like one of them's upset. And the other ones are I guess also upset. Yeah, like that picture of like what it's like some sort of like young Republicans meeting and it's just like a bunch of like every, it's kind of like,

midsumar levels of white faces and white everyone's dressed the same. That is kind of what these mom group pictures look like. They're all blonde. They're all the same age. They're all wearing white jumps. And you can play the choose what, you know, at the bar with the little television on the side when you can choose what's different in the pictures. And yeah, sure, I could also say from Highlights Magazine, but I specifically used to

play them at bars a lot. And I just feel like one of those photos would be a really great. choice of like, uh, I don't know, this tiny scarf is off. So true. It really is a like, can you tell the difference between these women? Do you remember the difference between Lizzie McGuire and high school musical? And of course I do because I'm a millennial. But yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, and it's all spinning out. It's there's just so many, it's a stories upon a stories, upon a stories. And I love a big needless scorched earth drama. I think it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a story's, it's, I think it's just what we need right now, especially because literally everything else is bad. And will she be brought back into the mom group? Will she be outsted? And every mom group's never going to have her back. No, she's a, I mean, once Hillary Duff's husband turns on you, you're not, you're not coming back. Oh, man, we're scared of the Duff, eh? I just, now we are. We had no idea. Don't go at her. Oh, don't go at her. She's going to send her little Lizzie's out after you. Oh, my God, and a bunch of animated children come at you. And that's what, like,

They tie up Ashley Tisdale, like hop, hop, hop, hop, hop, hop, hop, hop, hop, hop, hop, and put her into some sort of, I don't know, institution. I hate shit like, it takes the first, her, like, whole pitch is like, after I had my child, I needed, like, connection and support, which is, like, fine and real. And, like, we, like, it's, so you take. And I say we make fun of her for it. Yes, exactly. Oh, you need other people? Well, it's like, oh, boo! You're taking, like, a kernel of truth, which is like, oh, like a lot.

lot of parents and mothers feel like depressed and isolated and they like need community and community is good. You're taking that and then you are just like completely imagine guys think about the interpersonal drama in your life and imagine taking it to the public like don't even even even when people do that on Facebook I'm like you guys we're not 14 anymore don't do it. Don't do it. You discuss this with your husband at home and you vent and you call those bitches bitches Sometimes you've got to take it to the blog, MJ, all right? I got to get my feelings out somewhere. And the journal just ain't doing it for me because I'm not getting enough reaction.

Yeah, yeah. This is an inside thought. This is a thought for a journal. This is an inside thought. That's what they just love. It's like the, is it still gaslighting when you say something like this? It's like, you've got to keep this inside. No, there's no one needs to hear these thoughts.

You keep it all to yourself, which I also don't think, MJ. I think that people should be able to get out how they feel just maybe not with the clicky clacky of the of the types. You know what I mean? There's just so much that we don't need to post about. Right. But I feel like we do need to be posting about the fact that Rose Byrne and Bobby Caneval are together. When the hell did that happen, Adam? I'm sorry, I fell in love with Rose Byrne over the break.

I had a bit of like a burn time. I was going to say burn out, but it wasn't a burnout because that would make me think that I would. wouldn't be into Roseburn, but actually, I feel like I found Roseburn over the last couple of weeks. Because you watched this movie, if I had legs, I'd kick you, which you immediately warned me not to watch. I did warn you not to watch it. I would warn a lot of parents that maybe, especially right after the holidays, maybe it's not the time because it is a bit of a spinout of a mother that has a lot on her shoulders. But also, it's firm. Like, oh, what fun, but more. But more. torqued, but really, really, in fact, actually, at the end, I was looking up if I had legs,

I'd kick you, and noticed that one of the producers was a safty, and I was like, oh, this has saffty all over it. Adam, did he have anything to do, do you know, with the movie? Because it was another, like, by the end, I was like, ugh, like the way I felt after a Marty Supreme, where it's just like, it was so. Safty. Yeah, actually, um, the writer-director is married to the special secret sauce member of the Safty brothers. Ronald Bronstein. He's actually, he's actually been their editor and their co-writer, like, since the very beginning. And he's the one that went along with Josh Safty to do Marty

Supreme. Oh, so. Yes, there's like technically, he's not their brother, but there's like another brother that I personally feel like really has the sauce and his wife, I think, clearly has the sauce as well. Wow. Did you see if I had legs I kick you? Oh, I did. I loved it. Bro.

Rose Burr, I just was like, I feel like it was like, am I been sleeping on Rose Byrne? And not to be like to sprinkle a little Ashley Disdale on it, I just kind of thought Rose Byrne was, you know, I put her in like a Jessica Alba category, you know, like I thought that she was in that category. She is not. because then I started watching Plotonic, because I started playing for Apple Plus so I could watch Pluribus.

And now that I'm paying for Apple Plus, I was like, well, what's? Oh, you're getting Plurbed too. I'm so glad. Oh, we absorbed Plurb real fast. Okay, you already got Plurbed. Oh, got Plurbed. But now we're into, I've been done Plurbed.

Oh, baby. You thought I ain't gone blurb before. I think the problem with Plurbed is that I feel like I thought about the show all the time. I thought about how I would deal with it how the things

that would actually benefit you the things that wouldn't and even afterwards Jeff was talking about because we were watching we're also watching Mad Men and it's crazy because in every episode of Madman

so much happens and in Plurb really not a lot happens but I loved the show and also that's

It's a Vince Gilligan. Yes. This guy made Breaking Bad. Yes. So, oh, it's just so well done. It is so well done. I, yeah. And I was saying to Gideon when we were watching it that like, as I've said many times here on the show, I, ever since the pandemic, I, like, really struggle with apocalypse movies.

And like, like, I loved YLAS man, but then I, like, had a panic attack while watching it because I feel like the pandemic just felt a little bit too close to living through an apocalypse. Yes. But then Gideon was like, it's very funny to me that you look at this as an apocalypse show because to me I just experience it as like a science fiction show. Yes. And so I understand that distinction. But it's a little column A, little column A little call me. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a large world changing event that happens in the first episode. Is it the destruction of a population when technically all the population still exists? Right. Good, good. Good. Good. Somewhere. Good point. In their brains. Right. You know. Right. I feel like it's like that. I'm not like giving anything away. I mean more. just like the idea of the story. Yeah. But not to just swiftly just get back to if I had legs I'd kick you because Aesap Rocky was so great in the movie. Really? I just, I didn't know anything about if I had legs, I'd kick you.

I just kept popping up because Conan O'Brien plays the therapist, like her therapist in it, in a serious role. And I just kept popping up on it. And I had not heard anything about it. Thank you so much, Adam. That gives so much context to the movie. That's the only reason why I wanted to jump back to. it because I'm like that gives it not that like it just I kind of felt like I was going to have a panic

attack while watching it in a way of that to a point that I was worried about you ever watching it. I don't think I don't know if a parent or if you are a parrot let me know if you watched it and what you thought about it because I'd love to hear because I don't know it's like does it make you feel more seen do you feel like because it is about the down not downfall but the spiral of a woman that is dealt with too much. It's like the thing. Oh, just the laugh for it.

That scares me. It's like the Facebook thing. I'm tagged in this picture and I don't like it. Yes, exactly. Yes. Well, that's, you know, as a parent, you got to find your space between, you got to find your space between the spiral of if I had legs. I'd kick you and the spiral of them.

Tisdale writing about your mom group friend drama for the cut. You know, some world, exactly. This is a spectrum. This is the number line of being a parent and you figure out where on the number line you fall. And then you forge your identity there.

Hell yeah. Oh my God. Michelle Pfeiffer's, oh, what fun. Sounds like closer to if I had legs, I'd kick you. I am playing up how homicidal she was. She wasn't homicidal in the movie, but I thought it would be funny if she was homicidal. Oh, yeah. I mean, especially, I just love, I keep thinking it's like, oh, man, they're going to Michelle Fiver that family. I keep thinking it to myself, even though. It's just so

not anything iconic that Michelle Fiverr has ever done. That, like, that's what we're going to refer to Michelle Fiver as from, oh, what fun. Yeah. All right. Well, okay. You know, sometimes something's got to get in there. Like the feeling of freedom that we all have, because it's the year of the firehorse, MJ. Okay. It's the year of the goddamn firehorse. And maybe. be, I was crying on New Year's Day and going, I gotta stop the snake. It's time for me the horse. I got to be the horse.

And Jeff had to pause me for a moment. It's like, you know that is genuinely very funny. You actually crying and saying, I gotta be the horse. Because I gotta be the horse for this year. There's a lot out there about fire horses.

And we're saying the phrase firehorse in front of your phone, you just got a firehorsed. Everybody's about to start and firehorse shit on their social media. Sorry, firehorse, firehorse, fire horse. And now we're all the horse, MJ. And apparently the horse doesn't start until February. But we got it.

Last year, it was a snake. We got shed. That was all about transition. It was all about shedding. It was all about shedding. It was all about shedding. All right. Well, this is about putting it down,

recognizing, putting it out. Famously, Luter New Year, not the same as January 1st. It is not in February. It is in February. But it is, but that's why we have to get ready, MJ. You have to prepare yourself because this is the end of our shedding of being the snake.

And then we have to go into being a firehorse. I do find it fun because I've been seeing all these astrology and all these like bitches out there being like firehaws, firehouse, firehouse, and then I started looking into firehorse. And also fire horses in some cultures, I believe in Japanese culture, considered very unlucky. So it really just depends on how you want to see the firehorse and how you want to be the firehorse and how you want to bring the firehorse. and how you want to bring the firehorse into your life. There was a tweet that I saw or a post. I wasn't on Twitter, but somebody said on New Year's that like every year, basically since 2016, the New Year's Eve has been like, goodbye previous year.

You sucked. Can't wait to see what comes next. But then every year has just been subsequently much worse. And I'm going into 2020. I was going into 2026 with Big like, fuck off 2025. You started with. L.A. on fire and a bunch of awful stuff happened and we're going to kick you to the curb. And then, you know, needless to say, many bad things have already happened in 2026.

So that's why we're starting our year in February, guys. So you can just put it off. It hasn't, don't start. Your resolutions put it all on pause because this is the thing. It's supposed to start. You're supposed to start in the spring, all right? It's when it's supposed to start. October means that it's not supposed to be when October is.

All the fall. I always feel like the start of a new year when school starts, but maybe that's because I'm a child. That or I think it's because you have children. That or it's going to work in school. I think it's also that kind of world. But also that's what Rosh Hashanah is. Like I feel like there's something about the changing of the seasons that to me feels, yeah, like kind of new beginning. Do everything turn, turn, turn, new beginnings.

There is a season. I've been singing that song a lot and maybe it's because there's been a lot. of transition and a lot of change. So I'm trying to go with the flow. Yeah. Somebody's got to go with the fire horse flow, okay? All right. Well, so we're looking at a fiery energy of passion, independence, bold action.

Yes. All right. Yes, this is our year. This is where we stride forward, all right? A serpent never sheds its skin. Correct. But that's only if you're in the gang. If you are the snake as the sign, we have shed.

A serpent, in fact, does shedding skin. We have to shed it, all right? We got to bring in a better energy. Oh, wait. Just very briefly, before I forget, speaking of the many bad Christmas movies we watched in December and I did watch, you know, Alicia Silverstone's merry little X-Mass. And I was in a social interaction the other day with somebody who was telling me a fun story about two people who during the pandemic had broken up. And they had kids. They had kids. they had separated, and then because of the pandemic, they needed to all move back in together. And then in the process of moving back in together, they fell in love again. And I, whoa, that's a Christmas movie. But I interrupted him to scream. This is just like the plot of Alicia Silverstone's 2025 Christmas movie, A Merry Little X-Men. Yes, that's the reason you watched it.

You didn't just waste an hour and a half of your life. It was to have that reference. need you guys to know the way the light went out of his eyes when I said that, the way that it brought the conversation to a screeching halt. It was good. It was not the social gift that I thought I was giving. It was received as a bit of a lemon. And so I don't know, just be careful when you bring up Michelle Fifer and Alicia Silverstone's Christmas movie, 2025 Christmas movies. Apparently not everybody is on board. A bit of a sinkhole to the conversation is what you're saying. You got to be careful. But that's what we're

here to provide here at page seven. We're not here to give you to actual talking points. We're here to put the phrase firehorse into your brain for you to then start getting all the memes and getting all the reels and getting all everything thrown at you because then you are going to start talking about firehorse to other people. And technically, according to Jack and because I was talking about this, I guess it's the year for the horse girls. So can the horse girls and the horse women, can they rise up? This is y'all's year? You think it's the year of the horse girl because of the fire horse? Or just it's just general horse girl vibes? I mean, no, I think it's for them.

I think the year is for them. That's, I mean, you know, we love, we love a horse girl. I'm trying to live moss, MJ. I'm, my whole year, I'm living moss, and it's not just via Taco Bell. I'm talking moss accessories. I'm talking moss hats. I'm talking bigger shoes. I don't know.

I think I was talking to Kara about Henry and I's advanced hats, but we really worked into the world of advanced hats over the holiday. And advanced hats and, for. Forward socks. And that is something that I wrote down because... Forward socks. Like the heel is in the front? No. No.

It's just more... Backwards. Like a softened forward. Okay. Four. Henry and I were... We were shoving our pants into our socks with our advanced hats on. And so we had our advanced hats on and then we were pretending like these were forward socks because

maybe now the new thing is that everybody puts their pants inside of their socks. We were having to laugh. It was just... You know. we were having a holiday laugh, all right? Yeah, pants and socks works great if you're going on the snow. Yeah. And also, if it's just cold outside, MJ, I'm sorry that it doesn't snow here, all right, you snowist.

It does get cold here, and we get cold too. It's not just cold out in the East Coast, okay? Do you think that Alabama Barker is tucking her lingerie into her pants that she got from her father, Travis Barker? Because she should be covering it up. up because she shouldn't be using it for sexual experiences because her father gave it to her. Man, how often does your dad give you lingerie for Christmas? Can we give it up? Wow, I mean like, Daddy, get your eyes off my bras. I try really hard to. My father would have never. I can't imagine it. I can't imagine my father even having thought of the fact that I ever wore a bra. Like, I can't even

imagine it. No, this is a, this is a rough one. I try really hard to. like reserve my biggest class war scorn for like the eight billionaires in charge of the situation we're in right now. Like I generally like, yes, celebrities are rich. Celebrities are annoying. Celebrities are whatever. But like ultimately, you know, there's really like they are not usually the ones that are like making the catastrophic decisions that have put the planet where it is, right? That's kind of where. But then I saw this video of Alabama Barker talking about the like a hundred thousand dollar Christmas, at hundreds of thousands of dollars, perhaps,

Christmas hall that she got, including many dozens of thousands of dollars worth of lingerie that she got from her father. From her father. Again, for those of you that forget, Alabama Barker is Travis Barker's child. So that's who we're talking, the 20-year-old that received a bunch of lingerie

from her father for Christmas. But it's like, yeah, but it's like really nice lingerie. It's really nice. Does that make it okay? from your father? It is so weird. And it's honestly, again, yes, it's objectionable that the father gave all the lingerie, but it's not the most, that's, it's like if the whole video wasn't just, I know that this is TikTok and you do your Christmas hall, but it's like one of the gifts was $24,000.

Like, a bag. Yeah, but you know, at the same time, MJ, if you were given, you know, an Hermes this, a Chanel that. $32,000 cardi a bracelet. If you want a stunt, isn't that the time to do it? I mean, I feel like if you need, I'm out here putting on an advanced hat being like, look at me go, you know what I mean? But I guess if I had a, but yeah, like, if I was covered in, you know, Gooch, then I would probably be like, look at my Gooch, would you had that.

I wouldn't. I guess, I don't know. I can't imagine in my life, honestly, even if I ever had the bar. money to afford it. I don't know if I ever would, I feel like I actively wouldn't want something with all the designer things on it because I would be so scared of someone like looking at it, it getting stolen, me hurting it, me, like, I can't imagine having something that costs that much money that I use like that. I would hate to be even holding a $32,000 bracelet. It would make me upset immediately. I'd be through, I'd be actively spewing. Like I would be, I'd be an

And I'd be like trying to puke on the bracelet. No, it's just so it's, you know, talk about Hillary Duff's calling Ashley Tisdale, Tone Def, talk about Tone Def. It's just like, obviously, everyone, nobody has fucking groceries right now. And yeah, I mean, I was thinking about this because, you know, last January with the fires and everyone was like Spencer Pratt's, a former celebrity. So what do we care about his house burning down? And it's like, well, that's, we, you know, this celebrities are rich and out of touch and

annoying. That's who it is. Spencer Pratt also, by the way, running for the mayor of L.A. Really? Just throwing that out there. He's running for the mayor of L.A. I don't know if that's a good idea. I think he's gone. God, I hope you gets it. I hope he gets it. There's got to be a place between being like, I'm glad that man's house burned down and

being like, but don't run for mayor. And then don't run for mayor. Like, maybe I don't know. That's where you're going to put any money or that's where you're going to go raise money not to like go, you know, raise funds to start a home or anything again, but no, so that you can have a mayoral campaign. Yeah, no, I don't think that he is quite ready for that. But yeah, and I'm like, I, again, I try to, it's not like I love celebrities being rich and out of touch, but I'm like, well, that's the, you know, they're not the CEO of Exxon

mobile. So I, I generally save my class more score for them, but this is just so fucked. He's buying a $32,000. She's like, he buys me a So you get one of those $32,000 bracelets every year. Do you ever wear them all at once? Now that's how you show off. If you've got all those Cartier bracelets, put them on it. Then I'm like jangling down the street.

Look at all my bracelets. Because then I'm a million dollar lady. And I did also. Nowhere near a million dollars, Jackie, 32,000. But it climbs up there. I also, I did watch one battle after another, um, recently over the break,

which is now streaming and I really enjoyed it. And I would love to talk with you about it because I thought I remember that you maybe didn't like it, but I couldn't. No, I loved it. Somebody didn't want to see it because Sean Penn is in it. And then everyone was like,

but it's so good and you're going to hate Sean Penn. And actually I hate to say it. Sean Penn is so fucking good. He is good. And Leonardo DiCaprio is so good. That's the thing. He's such a good. It's so good.

It's such a good movie. It's a great movie. It's a great movie. I loved it. I recommend watching it if you haven't seen it. It is now, you know, I try, I'm going to try to spend January like watching the big Oscar movies. But I loved it. I really, really, really loved it.

And I spent the whole time being like, wow, I still love Leonardo DiCaprio as an actor. Who knew? Because I haven't really kept up that much since the late 90s. This is what got me back. He's a great actor. But then I saw this article that you sent because of a different stupid. It's like he's a great actor until you see him speak when he's not in a movie. And then you're like, shut up.

This is why he doesn't do the interviews. I think it's actually for the best to just stay away from it. You're so right. I just, I think everything he says, talk about tone deaf. It really is just like, do you understand what the world is like, but think about it. He hasn't been in regular society? Like, yeah, since he was like 10. Totally.

Literally ever. He's never been an adult in regular society. He doesn't know. He does not know. And I am, and I know this is not a political show and we're not going to talk about what's happening in Minneapolis right now, but I cannot stop thinking about this quote from Leonardo DiCaprio about the film, one battle after another, which if you see it, you'll know why this is funny.

He said, it never occurred to me not to be part of the. film because of its political undertones and you're like, okay, good start, good start. You're not going to not do it because of the politics of the movie. And he said, I don't even think there is any specific political agenda or ideology attached to it. We've had some reactions from the left and the right, which to me says something. What does it say, Leo? And anyway, at the end of the film, Bob's just a dad who's there for his daughter. And the idea that you're going to watch that movie and be like, it's really a father-daughter story. It's a father-daughter story. There's no politics to it. No. I didn't see anything. No.

I didn't see any, no, any opinion, any assertion of any kind of hypothesis or of what is going on. No, I saw nothing. Essentially a movie about a revolutionary movement against ICE. And he's like, what politics? It's about me, the dad. And you're like, no, Leo. And that's how you keep making movies right there. Stop talking.

You think that Leonardo DiCaprio's not evil. You think Taylor Swift's not evil. They're all evil. They're all evil. They are all, like, all of them are, it's like, he doesn't, I don't want to hear anything he's got to say unless it's on a screen and he is performing. And then I'm like, Leo, you bastard, you're a great. I loved Leo in one battle after another. And then I saw this quote, there's no political agenda.

Have you seen the movie, Leonardo? But then also he's the, you know, he's the Pied Piper of what is it, like giggly cock club or whatever they've got? What? They're cocking all about. with fucking Spider-Man. What are you talking about, Jackie? I'm talking about they've got the pussy-possy. Pussy Pussy!

I still don't know. I'm gonna. Pussy Pussy Piper, the Pussy Pussy. MJ, have we not been doing a show together for 15 years? They have this group that they call themselves the Pussy Posse. Are you going to make me Google Pussy Pussy right now? Toby McGuire? Yeah, I just did.

Oh, yes. Tobeyeye Pussy Posse Posse. Yes. Leonardo DiCaprio. Toby McGuire. Lucas Hoss. Kevin Connolly, David Blaine. Yeah, yeah.

That's right. I did. I did get a lot of messages after I recently expressed my love for Toby Beguire. A lot of messages of people being like, don't ever look further into Toby McIre. I will say they've, you know what, MJ, this is growth. They've changed their name from the pussy posse to the wolf pact. Oh, well, that's fun. That's nice.

Oh my God, I bet they're all good men now. It's like equally juvenile. But, you know, a little, a little less. I only think about the pussy posse when I look at me in her bagrio. If you're a bunch of broad men who want to call yourself the pussy passy, go forth, I guess. You're fine with it? You're fine with that, Jay? I mean, I don't want to, if I met a group of men in my neighborhood who did that, I would be

upset. I would never interact with them. I guess I don't know You're right It's not fine I'm not fine with it I don't know

I appreciate it though I know what MJ You're bro And you were going to I was I understand If you're gonna The wolf pack is just

It's just as I guess it's just as stupid It just doesn't have the word Pussy in it But it's like We're men We go on the hunt It's stupid either way

Don't even take away From the movie The Wolfpack Like I'd rather Everybody just go see The Wolfpack Instead of thinking of continue calling them the pussy,

watch the wolf back, and then we'll continue on with our lives. I think is how this is going to shake out. Yeah, well, long story. The leader of DiCaprio was saying, yeah, that people aren't going to go to the movies anymore. He did say, yes, he said, what if the movies, again, he's got to stop talking. He really thinks he's a smart guy, and that's the problem. Anytime you have a celebrity who thinks they're smart, you've got to, that's the biggest red flag of all. Do people still have the appetite, he asked, or will see?

cinemas become silos like jazz bars. And when he's trying, again, there's a kernel of truth here. He's like, oh, people aren't going to the movies. The cinema will change. Yes, Leo, things are changing. The relationship to the movie theater is changing. But to be like, it will go the way if the jazz bar is, it's just like, Leo, get your head out of your ass.

You sound like Rumpel's still skin right now. Like, I feel like it's just like, yeah, yes, and then I come in you spin the gold. And then maybe you'll get an AMC. theater. Jackie said this with just in all caps. I don't think theaters are going to be like jazz clubs. Yes. It's just such a pretentious example, you know.

We're still going to the theater. I know that it's not as good. As a Stubbsiac, you know, I'm there, babe. I'm upholding the theater on my shoulders. In fact, I referred to it yesterday. I said, I know light is supposed to be our hero. And I was saying this to my husband as I watched him, which was, I, God, I took a video because he was,

taking the Christmas tree lights off of the Christmas tree, and he has found that he wanted to perfect putting up the Christmas lights on the tree. And so he had done a bunch of research. He went out and he purchased these lights, these true-tone lights that it's like, it's the exact warmth that he was looking for. And he also was raised with no Christmas traditions except if they had a tree, they would individually wrap every branch with the lights. Now, Jeff did this.

He wrapped every branch with the lights. And then the last light, he wrapped around the trunk of the tree. Gorgeous. He did an amazing job. My first question was, how long is that going to take you to take off? And he said, well, I don't know that yet. And let's just say it takes a while. And what I watched him do was he said, this is the lazy man's unwinding.

and he kept calling the lazy man's unwonded. And he individually snipped every branch off of the tree and unraveled all. But then in the end, it was just this big stick. And we made a bunch of dick jokes. And then I said, light's not our hero because of AMC. And then we threw the tree over off the balcony. I know. That's your Christmas tradition throwing it off the balcony.

Our Christmas tradition. Throw it right off the balcony. I think the annoying thing about Leo saying that it's like, they're going to become like jazz clubs. It's like, okay, Leo, there's a structural reason that movie theaters are getting squeezed out. And it's because of all these like, you know, all these like monopolies forming. Like, so it's just, it's connected to him being like, what do you mean this movie has politics?

It's like, if you had a brain that was capable of thinking a little bit past just like, he's like, I hope people get to keep making movies. Yes, Leo, we all do. But what's the problem? He just notices, oh, they go into the movies less. I hope they don't stop. And it's like there's a reason. There is a reason why it's harder to make visionary art, Leo.

You have to identify the reason. Well, also they just changed, Adam, not to put you on the spot. They just changed the things so that streamers only have to be in the theater for like a day. Right? Like what did it just change? Something just changed that everybody was a hubbub about. Yeah. Netflix's proposal is that it's going to be a 17-day release window.

And that changed from 45. And then it used to be like 90 days exclusivity in the theater. Wow. So now it's only 17 days. And then so then it can get picked up by a streamer? Yeah, it'll be streaming immediately afterwards. So it's like, yeah, this is so that the executives of these companies can make themselves richer. Make even more money.

Of course. That's why, Leo, it's not. Thank you, Adam. You know, and it's like, I just, you know, and again, he's Leonardo Caprio. We have to set our expectations low. But I, I, complaining about a structural problem and then not being able to identify the structural cause. Yes. Also, I feel like, Adam, with Leonardo DiCaprio in this movie, do you have any thoughts with him not feeling the politics of it?

Or thinking it's not a political movie? I mean, it's kind of. to what you said before, he has a bunch of money and wants to keep all that money and wants more. Yeah. It's that simple. He's just like all the other executive. He just wants more money. He's still partying with Jeff Bezos and flying all over the place and doing everything the same as all of them.

It's just, yeah, if he identified it, then he would really, I mean, he looks stupid now, but he would really look stupid if he identified it because it would just be the complete counterpoint to what he does. Also, isn't it simpler for him to just be like, well, I didn't see any police. then rather him trying to navigate that conversation. Right, right, right. Because how does he not then say, like, I more, it's like, how do you not come off as biased when you're answering that? Yeah, no. And it is, it is like, you know, my effort to. And he can't be.

My effort to make the distinction between like the eight people who, you know, the eight billionaires who are the reason like that many of the bad things in the world are happening. But Adam, you're so right, because one of those people is Jeff Bezos and who does he love to party with? celebrities, right? And like certain celebrities who want to build their own, you know, rise their own star by their proximity to that level of wealth. And so, you know, and to be fair, Spencer Pratt, not one of those guys, you know, but no, I don't, I'm not getting concerned. He's not up there with a Leonardo DiCaprio. I think that he should save his money and not run for mayor. Yeah. Well, a bunch of people last year were like, what I was expressing sympathy to Paris Hilton for her house burning down at a bunch of people were like,

you idiot, she's so rich. And it's like, well, yeah, she is rich. And obviously, she's a Hilton. But, like, I don't even think that the Hilton's are up on par with, like, the Bezos's. Right. But still, you know what? Fuck, fuck them all. Whatever. Yeah, man. Fuck them all. Whatever. Leave them all in 2025. Leave them all. All right. Send them all to space. Send them all to space. Get him back out there. Get them back up there. Just don't bring them back down. Just let, just let him go on Miara. Like, go just see how it goes out there. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, you made a great movie. It's like an

accident, you know, like Leonardo, who like manages to be part of this movie with like really great revolutionary themes without absorbing a single idea. And that's, you know, that's really, that's some Olympic level oblivion right there. It really is, man. And what a way to start this year. I decided on January 1st, I was like, I want to watch something that I know is good. It's going to kick off this year right. For some reason, Jeff and I decided to watch the Iron Giant in the middle of the day on January 1st. And while it was, you know, Iron Giant is one of, I think Jeff's like favorite movies. I think it's one of his huge Iron Giant's very big to him book and the movie.

And I had never watched it with him. And so watching it with him, he was able to give me a bunch of trivia as I watched it. I don't think I had seen the Iron Giant since it came out. When was the last time you watched the Iron Giant? Zero time. Never. Oh, my God. All-star cast.

Oh, MJ. All-star cast. Harry Connick Jr., Vin Diesel, Jennifer McDonnell. But it's also, like, not about the fact that they're celebrities. Like, it has, that really, that's, like, such a sidebar. And they actually got an actual child to do the child's, like the kid in it. And it is. well I

I guess I can't even have the rest of this conversation because you haven't seen it before I just I assumed because it was a sad movie from our childhood that you would have also been obsessed with it because it's I mean it was originally written because Hughes was the was married to Sylvia Plath

and he wrote it for his children after Sylvia Plath did what she did. Are you serious? That's the origin of Iron Giant? That's the origin of it. And I didn't know any of that. And then watching this, which also then later on, I think it was, oh God, I'm going to misspeak.

It is the director, Brad Byrd, who wrote, who made this movie after, oh my God, I'm not going to cry. Literally, this is the sad fact from Jeff that I wrote down. The director's sister was murdered by her estranged husband, and he made this movie after he had the thought, what if a gun had a soul and didn't want to be a gun? Oh my God. This movie, MJ, I'm sorry. You're going to watch it.

And you're going to cry. You're going to cry. Bring those tears into 2026. The tears are not going anywhere. Put on the iron giant. You need it in your life. Okay. It's, yeah, so I actually was going to bring all this up

because Amber was supposed to be on the show this week. and I think it was the day before. I, oh my God, I love. Amber's one of my favorite people of all time. And I want you to know I joked around about this. I'm not talking behind her back. Amber posted a picture of the Iron Giant on her Instagram stories and wrote,

who is this character? Everybody keeps saying, she's like, it's at the top of all my lists. And I have no idea who this is. And in my head, I was like, how is it on the top of all of your lists? if you don't know that that's the Iron Giant when the movie is called

the Iron Giant. But I think that she had just been like told to watch it before. But I also had to be like, it depends on if you're, it was I think New Year's Eve. And I was like, I don't know if you want to watch the Iron Giant right before you go out for New Year's Eve. I don't know if that's the time to.

But bro, it is so, it's a tight movie. It's one of those last ones that were like all drawn. And it is beautifully made. Okay. And it is just, I think he said Vin Diesel says like 45 words in it the entire time because he's the Iron Giant. Devastating. Okay.

Absolutely devastating. And it is also unfortunately prescient of our times as well. And it's all, I think it's all Cold War stuff. And it's just, wow, I hope that you watch the Iron Giant and I hope you enjoy it. Okay. All right. You can watch it with the kids. Okay.

I love to be sad. I think you watch it with the kids. I'll watch it. They watch Star Wars. They can watch this. Oh, definitely. Yeah. And they can think about robots having feelings.

All right. And maybe that is what we need a little bit more of. That's why we say thank you, Roomba. We do say thank you. We do. And we say thank you to the remote. We do, but we say thank you computer. We do, but we say fuck you to AI.

That's the, that's. Yeah, but soon they're going to insert the. themselves into our brains and I just want them to like me, all right? I just need them to like me, MJ. In fact, actually, I was doing a big girl audiobook this week and it is, which also comes out in March through all our heavens by Olivia Hawker. And it is about the schism of our country due to the brain immersion into technology and that that's what will divide the country. and it actually genuinely scared me. Yeah.

Because Olivia's very smart and how what she writes is very smart. And she has a lot of, she writes mostly historical fiction. And so it really, my brain has been in a weird place. Yeah. Especially because I've just been in a first person perspective, just going on diatribes against the heinous act of slavery because my section is set in 1865. So I've just been on this first person, like, just having these monologues by myself about how atrocious slavery is.

The world of a white sector, you're like emerging from your office. You're like, Jeff, can we talk about slavery? It's like, I guess. But then also it's like, but then it also, it's like, I'm in 1865, but the other chapters are in the far in the future and it goes back and forth and back and forth. That's pretty cool. Yeah. It's honestly, man, it was a great book.

you, if you are into like historical fiction with some magical realism at times, uh, jump on her. Okay. Because I've done a bunch of her other books. Anyway, sorry, not to go down that road. Well, speaking of a little bit of, I would, maybe we could call it magical realism. I also watched Wake Up Dead Man, which is the Knives Out 3 over the break. Did you watch that?

I did. What do we, what do we, why? You love Josh Brolin. Why do you look upset? Don't you want to kiss him? You know, I did. Not as a priest. Everybody was like, you don't want to kiss Josh Rowland.

And then I heard a lot of, you don't want to kiss Josh Rowland. And then I watched it. And, you know, I enjoyed how cheeky the first two were. Yeah. And I felt like the third one lost. It's cheeky. Yeah. But I think that some people that were into more of the mystery side of it might like this one more.

I hear you. It didn't have quite the same tone. Yeah, you're right. The first two felt a little bit more of a romp. Yeah. During it. Like I had like, to a point that I was like, Jeff had to wake me up because he's like, you were like, out.

So I, not that I think it was a bad movie. I think I was also just tired. It was very long. And I thought, again, I thought it was going to be a little more like, Aromp. Yeah, yeah. The first two were around. And I love Daniel Craig.

Like, I love Ben La Blanc as a character. I love Benoit Blanc. I do like, I think I just, I think that honestly the knives out like whirl. I like the universe that it's built up enough that I think it kind of let me go into this with a little bit of like, I'm going to enjoy this no matter what, you know? Because it was very well done. Yes. It really, very well done.

And the guy who plays the priest. He plays also Charles from the croon. And Gideon was like, is that Charles from the croon? and I was like, no way, because he is so, Charles and the Crown is so, is such a little piss, he does such a good job, make him just like a little obnoxious piss boy. And I was like, this guy's not an obnoxious piss boy, but he is Charles from the Crown. So I'm trying to find, he's not, for some reason, listed in the castle. I was only thinking of him from Challengers.

So I would just look at him like, is he gone? He did his, check his racket, make him kiss. Make him guess. And I didn't get any of that. So I think there was also that in it too. And maybe it's because I've just so wrapped up with like my heated rivalry. And then I was thinking about challengers and then it wasn't challengers. Josh O'Connor is challengers also.

Yes. Oh, see, this is why I need to see challengers. You need to see challengers because if you want to take that piss boy hat right off and put it down the toilet, that'll do it. Okay. All right. All right. I'm with it. Yeah.

Well, I loved him. I thought he was great. And yeah, I enjoyed it. If you like Knives Out, you could watch Wake Up Dead Man, you'll have a decent time. Yeah, and it was a good movie. Man, you know what was not a good movie? Anarchy? When?

Family? Everything. Henry and I said that to each other 100,000 times over break because we spent the $25 to rent running man, I think. The new running man with Shark Face himself, man, they keep throwing shit at Shark Face. They're trying to make him happen. And he, they are trying. And he, I will say, I don't think it was his fault.

He's, I don't know if it was. Oh, Josh Burlin again. Written. Yeah. It is, I, like, we just kept laughing, but not in the way of like, when we watched, oh my God, the final conjuring movie. If you gave up on the conjuring movies a couple conjuring movies ago, like I did, put on the last conjuring movie, get, I'm sorry, get really high and then put on the last conjuring movie

because Henry and I laughed so hard, like, I thought I was going to throw up. There were points that, like, Henry and I just, we, and we're watching it with the whole family, and everybody else was like, you guys are, it's because we were doing dabs outside, so we were just like, and we had so much fun with it. But Running Man did not take it to that point. it was just boring and it was just bad and maybe if I hadn't been Henry and I are so obnoxious when we're together and we're not in a movie theater watching a movie because we just

usually talk through a movie and so you have to be really in the mood to watch a movie with the two of us and we had to shut running man off we shut running man off then we rented and shut Nuremberg off and this is burning money just burn it money right there. That was $50 right there. I want to still go back and watch Nuremberg. But Nuremberg was not, like, it was 10 p.m. on like, I don't know, December 23rd. It was like one of those. And I was like, I can't do Nuremberg right now. Yeah, I can't. I can't handle this. And I didn't realize Henry had already, I didn't realize he had to pay money for it. But apparently Nuremberg is very good. I just think I got to be in the place for a Nuremberg, you know?

Yeah, no, I'm like, I mean, Colin Hanks. I just kept being, how guilty are they? And like, it was so, like, Russell Crowe. Rami Mellick, Michael Shannon. Yes, great cast. Michael Shannon, it's supposed to be a wonderful movie. But Russell Crow, it's like, he's supposed to be Herman Goring. And then it's like, he shows up and he's like, he's like, um, him and Goering.

And they're like, they are men goring? It's like, no, the other Herman Gorman Gore. Like, what are you talking about? I can't with Russell Crow. But Roger Sterling from Mad Men is there. That's nice. bro. Oh my God. Don't even. Not like I'm in...

I'm in... Especially not after Mad Men. I'm in... I am in... I think we're at the end of season four of Mad Men right now. And I told my mom to watch it because I was like, Mom, this is like what you grew up with. Like, this is like how your dad was never around and how, like, he was out having other families. He was... And my mom was watching it. And then she got, like, most of the way through the first season. She's like, I don't think I can watch this show. I actually think it's the opposite. It's actually really uncovering a lot of, because I was like, you were like Sally Draper's age

during the show. And she was like, yeah. Yeah, I was. And I'm recognizing a lot. And I was like, maybe this is good. Maybe this is, and she's like, I don't, she's like, I don't, you know what? Instead, I put on the pit. And I was like, mom, after the year that we had last year, I was like, you went from madmen to the pit.

But then she was like, I finished it in a day. It was such an amazing show. And I was like, and here's a gift for you, mom. today. Well, if you're listening to this, it's already out. First episode of the pit. First episode of the second season. See, this is what I'm talking about, Stranger Things. This is how you fucking turn them out. My favorite TikTok doctor, whose name is Dr. Beach Gem. She's a TikTok. Come on, MJ. It was right there. Tick tocter. She is a pediatric ER doctor, and she loved, she, like,

live posted about how much she loved the pit last year and how, like, accurate it felt. And so then she just got to go to, like, a big pit. premiere party sponsored by the fucking scrubs company. But yeah, she's like, I got to meet Noah Wiley. I got to meet the whole cast. And she was like, oh my God, how big were his hands? What did he smell? She didn't say.

But I'll bet they're huge and I'll bet he's good great. I bet he had a good grip. I'll bet. Oh, man, I can't wait. I can't wait to get sad with the pit. It's like everything. And then get bad with the traders. I'm so excited.

These are like, these are my two wolves. This is my wolf pack. You know, I've got the pit and I've got traders this weekend. And that's exactly, now I know what I'm going to be watching every week. And I'm excited about it. Bro, you got to watch this trader season at least so that you can start to fall in love with Dorinda. And just so we can get to Donna Kelsey and Durinda apparently getting into a fight. I have, you got to see it.

We got to see it. All right. I will watch this season. I will watch The Traders with you this season. I can't watch Dancing with the Stars anymore. I would if I could, but it's not on. So I watch something else. and now this is going to be your new

oh fuck I've got to watch that oh I'm not I don't want and then you put it on you go oh my God this is great well maybe not that it might not be a Buffy for us can we just take a movement

and it's going to be a couple of weeks for you guys because we just watched two episodes so it's going to be one episode next week and then the following episode MJ and I watched the Buffy musical episode oh my God and I just

MJ had been thinking about it ever since and after the second it was done because MJ had to go and I was like I can't just talk at Jeff about this. He doesn't know enough. I mean, he will sit and he will listen. But I hit up our amazing.

The, oh, perfect. I'd really play video games from chat. Yes, our friend Jasmine. And I said, Jasmine, tell me everything about this episode. And she did because she's amazing. Because I was like, I can't look up anything about this episode because I don't want anything to be ruined for me. And she knows that.

And then she told me that we can just listen to the soundtrack whenever we want. Whenever we want. There was a great musical episode. We are musical episode Officianados over here, especially from Riverdale. Riverdale, please. But that was the best musical episode

of any show I've ever seen. Ever seen. Ever seen. It was legitimately a good musical and legitimately a good episode. That Roger-esque rent song that Spike sings to Buffy, I can't stop thinking about it.

I can't stop thinking about the whole episode. I, it was so... And at the top of the episode, MJ and I even said, Oh, everybody keeps bringing up this episode. We don't know if it's because it's like canonically bad or if it's canonically good. So because everybody is so wonderful.

Because again, our benchmark is reverend. Our benchmark is Riverdale is a very different show than Buffy. Yes. And I will say, and I want to say thank you to everybody, I have our episodes of caution for us that are coming up ahead because Jasmine did say episode 13 and episode 19, there are cautions on them. So this is good.

We need to know these things going into them because we're fragile. Yeah. And I did cry multiple times during the musical episode. And I, it's a television of episode

I don't think I'm ever going to forget. Yeah. Yeah. No, it was, it's, yeah, Buffy has been such a journey. I understand why everybody. I get it.

It's a life. It's not an interest. It's not a show. It's a way of life, you know, and I get that now. And now that I, I just have never felt so ready.

I'm scared of getting towards the end of Buffy, even though I know there's a reboot coming out. And I'm scared to look into anything about the reboot because I feel like it's going to give away something about the show. So all of it, I need y'all to know, Year of the Horse Blinders is what it is as well. It's my Buffy Horse Blinders, and I got to keep them on, and I'm not looking at anything. I don't want to know. Now, I think we should end the show by talking about this letter that we got, which we can read anonymously about some wicked trivia. But first I just need to shout out Jackie.

I don't think we need to talk about the movie Song Sung Blue. But I do I do want to talk about how Jackie sent this article about the family members of the Song Sung Blue people being mad about the movie to which Jackie

said sounds more like a song sung boo-hoo. Yes, it's a perfect joke. It is such a good joke. cannot stop. And also, song, sung, blues is... It could have just been song sung blues. It could have been song sung blues. But then I thought it was too easy. It is everywhere right now. And so now I just keep seeing it and going song sung boo-hoo. And also, for those of you that

want to know, the kids of the people that are the real people it's based on, they were brought on as paid consultants for the movie. And now, This dude is having a shit fit because his part in the movie got cut. Yeah, that's why it seems that's why he's mad about. My father would be rolling in his grave. You got your nut. Move on. That's why I'm saying song, sung, boo-ho.

It's a real song-sung-boo-hoo. Yeah, even the mom is like, it's fine. It's good. It's fine. Yeah, it's all good. Like, you know it's not supposed to be about you, right? Like, it's that's, and you got money for it. You made the money for it.

Yeah. I just thought, honestly, when I first saw the trailer for Song Sung Blue, I thought it was, I was like, this is like, this is a fake trailer, right? I just thought, yeah, it's a head scratcher. I didn't know they still made those movies. And then I said this to Ed, and Ed was like so upset with me. He's like, you're heartless. You look at these. He's like, this is, it's just a beautiful movie.

and it's a beautiful story. And I was like, about this Neil Diamond cover band? This is what you're so precious about? That's how I feel. But we're wrong. Okay. All right. This was before the movie, though.

I don't know. Wait, Adam, did you see it with him? No, no, I haven't seen it. Oh, okay. Oh, you haven't seen it. No, but I'm in between you two. Oh, okay. So it's like you're the ham on our sandwich.

Yes. Yes. Do you like being the ham on our sandwich? Of course. Thank you. What else would want to be? But also, you would, Except for it to be made, you just don't need to go see it, essentially.

Yeah, if I watched it with my mom, I'd probably have a fine time. We almost took our mom to see it on Christmas Day. And I was like, Henry, if we can't make fun of the movie the entire time, I don't think we can bring mom to this movie. But I will throw it out there. Thank God we didn't take her to Marty Supreme on Christmas Day because we were thinking about bringing our Marty Supreme. And that is not the movie to watch on Christmas Day.

There's multiple bang scenes. It's not even so much the bang scenes. It's just the energy of the movie. Song Song Blue, you put on with your mom. You make jokes. Marty Supreme is just like a... It's like you're kind of being, you know, pummeled the entire time. It is a great movie.

You're just kind of getting pummeled the entire time. Yeah, Song Song Song Blue does feel like a Neil Diamond song. Exactly. Experientially. Honestly, it feels like the... Bap, ba, ba. Part of the song. It reminds me of the portion that annoys everybody.

Yeah, yeah. Because I love Neil Diamond. Oh, totally. I mean, Neil Diamond, I love Neil Diamond's music. I mean, I don't know if I love Neil Diamond. The person, I'm going to be real. I don't know if I've ever really looked too far into him. But, like, I love the music.

Sounds like you don't have to for this movie because it's not about him. It's not about him. Not about him. It's a cover. But, okay, I'm sorry, MJ. I didn't mean to splinter off because you were going to read this email that we got. And I want to say thank you for the email. Yes, yes.

No, I'm just so glad that we were able to talk about Song Song Boohoo, which, again, I just introduced that phrase into your lexicon when you need a smile. Thank you. Okay, so. Okay, I'm just going to read this. Yeah, read this listener email. Over the holidays, I got to spend time with a dancer who very recently worked on some promo for Wicked.

They told me that they were backstage and waiting to take a photo with Jeff Goldblum when they noticed Ariana and Ethan kissing. They said it was a genuine looking kiss, and they felt so awkward watching that they turned away quickly. This was still during promo, so it could have been showman's vibes, but time will tell. Thought you'd enjoy this bit of info.

I hope you had an enjoyable, tolerable holiday season, and we hope you did as well. Thank you so much for writing in, Wow. Can you believe that? Now, do you think that, I thought he went back to his wife. I mean, maybe it was awkward because it was fake.

Because it was a cheat, but then why would they do that in front of other people? Why would they do that in front of other people? Yeah, this is very recently where, like, I'm, I am, I was like, there is no way. But also, I don't think that this person hallucinated it. So, I don't, it hasn't been reported that he went back to his wife, though, has it? No, it hasn't. It was just the rumors, the room. That's the rumors.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm really floored by this because he has not been around that much. He has not been around her. Oh, well, I will say he recently said about his wife, while our partnership has changed, our parenthood is not. Both of us fiercely love our son 100% of the time, regardless of how our parenting time is divided. So, yeah.

Well, but also. By which I mean I don't parent. she does. I don't know. Yeah. Every is that way what it sounds like. But, you know, he's, I'm sure got a lot of time because he's doing, I imagine, eight shows a week on Broadway. And everybody knows that you've got extra time when you've got, you know, matinees on your schedule. There's just this new people, you know, article about him and why he doesn't speak about his son. And he said, I try not to tell stories about my son because I want to let him meet the world and let the world meet him on his own terms. So I don't tell stories or anecdotes. And it's like, okay, buddy, but you also just went. through one of the most high-profile breakups and a child leavings ever because you decided to leave your wife and child to be with Ariana Grande during the first run of Wicked.

I mean, at least they're still kissing because, like, man, imagine if a dad ended that fast, but then, again, the person said that was during the promo. So at this point, you know, we were talking last episode about Cynthia and Ariana starting, you know, that starting. that shines starting to be rubbed right off.

So who knows what's going to happen with them. But I guess they're still kissing. I guess they're still kissing. But yeah, I mean, and this is definitely like, yes, it was during promo, but that like is after the time that he like, he didn't go to whatever it was done. Totally. Like there was, the VMAs was like, or whatever it was that she went without him. I think that was the VMAs. And everyone was like, oh, it's over.

It's so over. But then Wicked promo hadn't even started by then. So it does sound like maybe maybe the love is not. gone. Whoa. Put the fulcrum back into their relationship. The love is not gone. I guess that would be taking the fulcrum out because then they're taking when love is gone out of it. Yeah, man. She, the ex-wife of... She loves all of it. She's happier. She's better now. I'm trying to figure out if this is, no, this is from her, her the cut essay. Talk about a different the cut essay. Oh, that was a bit ago. That was when she dropped all that shit. When she was like...

quote you just read Jackie, that was her. That wasn't him. And that was... And she said, days... And this is from the cut essay. As for me, days with my son or sunny, days when I can't escape the promotion of a movie

associated with the saddest days of my life are darker. That's her cut essay from December 24. And she had to deal with it again. That was between Wicked one and two. And then she had to do it all over... Oh, that poor bitch. Jesus Christ. So Ethan Slater's just over here like,

I don't want to bring my son into it. And it's like, And I'm not blaming him for the paparazzi. Like, that's not his fault. But I do. Just, you know, you have, you made a choice that kind of did bring your son into it because your son was born. And then you left for Ariana. He left. But so, yeah, that's, so, so, um, he that, yeah, that, he's just trying to be over here acting like a good daddy.

And I don't believe it. No, we're not seeing a good daddy. We're seeing only bad, man, bad daddies, bad mommies all over. Wow, 2026 starting out. It's not starting out rough because it's ending the way it's supposed to end because Firehorse doesn't start until next month. So we got some time, guys. All right?

Yes. We've got time. We've got time. And it's going to be right after your birthday, MJ, this is going to be, you know, and then you're going to be the fire horse. 40 horse is what we're going to call you. But I'm not going to call you 40 horse because I think you might never speak. meeked me ever again. I should probably never have said that, but now I don't want to call you

40 horse. You can call me 40 horse. Yes, because also it sounds like you're a flirty horse, but also it sounds like you're a fire horse. And I do love all of those things mixed into one. And maybe this is because, oh my God, is that why jelly cats just receive? Jelly cats? I can't buy the jelly cats. I refuse. I will never buy the jelly cats. I love that they have little faces on them. I like to look at them. I get all of the updates on the jelly cats. And they just added horses. to the jelly cat line. And is it because of fire horse? I don't know.

Lordy horse. Lordy horse. Look who's 40 horse. No. M.J. That is, oh, that's everything. And that's what we're going to be singing to you. The day of your birthday.

But that day's not today. Thank you so much, MJ. This was wonderful. We got to get the hell out of here. Thank you, Jackie. And yes, happy New Year to everyone. And also solidarity with the many very, very awful things that are happening in this calendar year of 2026,

solidarity to Minneapolis. We love you, Minneapolis. We love all of you guys. Get him out of your city. Yes. Get the fuck out of Minneapolis. And let's... Hearts go out to Greenland and Venezuela as well.

But you know, and I do want to end on a really important note because you know how I'm obsessed with my snakes? Yeah. And my twin snakes, they're called twin snakes. My gummy snakes. They came out with a holiday edition. And while I really liked the holiday edition, Jeff said they thought they were

thought it was more sour than the original and didn't like it as much. Okay. So I just wanted to throw that out there as we're ending this snake year as we're shedding. Goodbye snakes that aren't sour enough. Goodbye holiday edition of twin snakes.

We love that you are here and maybe we can get some different kind of snakes in the future. And thank you everybody for listening to Second Helpings. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. Come hang out with us on the page 7 Patreon where you can watch us, watch the Buffy musical episode

and lose our minds. and cry and laugh and I clap multiple times. And then there's Jackie's book club. We are in, we're coming to a close of book three of Sookie Stackhouse. And everyone told me we have to at least read through book four. So I'm continuing right through it. So come join us on Mondays over on the Patreon. And also come at me.

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