Page 7 - Second Helpings - The Gay's Gaze

Episode Date: September 19, 2025

Jackie and the covid stricken MJ are back with another helpin' of goss', and despite this week bein' hell and the suspension of Kimmel just bein' the tip, "Dancing with the Stars" is a shining beacon of light complete with an extra crispy HILARIA! Keepin' with DWTS, MJ is worried Jen Affleck is Dancin' too soon after poppin', but Steve Irwin's son Robert is killin' it! "The Pitt" star Noah Wyle challenged the medical scrubs company FIGS to make a tuxedo as comfy as the scrubs while he was on the red carpet at the the Gotham Awards, and he debuted it at the Emmys! Emmy host Nate Bargatze attempted to keep speech length in check by removing money from a $100,000 donation for each speech that went over (it did not work. at all.), and Season Six of "Real Housewives of SLC" has dropped along with Meredith Marks tour dates for her DDDDD-DJ set in LA, BITCHES! Nick Cannon makes the most obvious statement ever about why he had 12 kids, Cheryl Blossom on the "Call Her Daddy" podcast responded to KJ APAs claims about fuggin, AND SO MUCH MOOOORE!!!!Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Whether you're pumped for pumpkin spice or hyped for Halloween, one thing's for sure. The autumnal bitch quinox is upon us. I'm Kara Klank. And I'm Jackie Zabrowski. And we're the hosts of Who's the Bitch, right here on The Last Podcast Network. You bring us your story and we'll tell you who the bitch is. And we're celebrating the harvest with a whole new crop of bituations at the fall bitch-a-thon 2025. On Thursday, September 25th, we're taking your calls live.

It's all going down on our YouTube channel. YouTube.com slash at Who's the B. Subscribe now for updates. We'll be live from 4 p.m. to 7 p.m. Pacific time, 7 to 10 p.m. for you East Coasters. Tune in, call in, mix it up in the chat. And kick off spooky season with us at the fall bitchathon 2025. See you bitches there. Right, it will be.

It's a fun silly week. Oh yeah, fun silly week. Everything's going great this week. Everybody is smiling. Man, I think that we're really knocking it out of the podcast. Park. I will say, you know, I was getting my coffee this morning and the total was 1945 because I was getting coffees for other people. And I said, boy, is it? Good year. When they said it was 19. I was like, oh, yeah. I said, is it 1945? And I made that joke.

And the poor barista was like, what do you talk? It was like, 1945. And then I kept trying to explain it. Then you start singing in the Tramilk Hotel to the giant. Yeah, that's how I explained it. I use the, you know, like the child would know or have ever heard of neutral milk hotel. Oh, that's sad. Do young people not know? Probably they don't know our favorite band from college. They probably don't know.

No, they don't. And, you know, it's not for them to know. No, they should. Neutral milk hotel is great. But I think that it is one of those. I think if you listen to it, and I still do, I'll throw on some neutral milk hotel. But it is definitely like that age of time of music. I listen.

I have a list of things I do when I want to. cry and listen to Airplane Over the Sea is one of them. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That are like mountain goats. You know, I've been listening to a lot of, uh, I am going to make it through this year. If it kills me. I've been singing that a lot, guys. And I do encourage you guys to be singing that to yourself because we're going to make it.

We're going to make it through this year. You know, we've got each other. You see, and maybe it was you who sent it to me. There is a clip of Stephen Colbert. and John Darniel singing that together on Stephen Colbert's show when the Mountain Goats came on to perform. And I think it went recirculated when Stephen Colbert lost his late show. Not to get too topical. But we're talking about, you know, state censorship today.

Do we want to? We don't. No. No. But, you know, guys, it has been really interesting. You know, we've been doing this show for 15 years. And, man, the watch. Watching the horror scope of celebritydom in this time period has been fascinating.

I kind of would love, you know, maybe someday we'll have like a Taylor Swift level of a college class at an NYU going back through page seven and talking about the times in celebrity positive celebrity gossip history. You know what I mean? Do you want to do your dissertation on the evolution of celebrity gossip from 2010 to 2025? Get us up. Because you know we have our finger, not on the pulse, but I think it's like on the nose. You know what I mean?

It's lower than the pulse. It's on the chin. Yeah, it's on the chin, I guess. It's something where, like, a pulse gives you, like, important information, and we don't.

So we have our finger on something that doesn't give you any final information, but it's fun. Yes. So I know what our finger's on. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

It's on the fun button. Uh-oh. I shouldn't be doing that at work. Don't kick me out of my job. But, man, And they're just, honestly, there are much easier ways to get kicked out of your job now. So if I really, that's the sick way. If I wanted to get kicked out of my job, there's just a couple of words I have to say.

And man, I would just lose it so fast. Yeah. In fact, you are allowed to touch yourself at work more than you are allowed to say. To criticize anything. To criticize the great leader, you know. It's really crazy because I did make the non-joke of, it's crazy. It's become 1984. And then I pause and I was like, it's actually.

far, like it's gone past that, like, so quickly it went past it. We plows through it. Right through it. But don't worry, there's a ballroom being constructed. And thank God. I'm just so excited. Not that we're, like, we, it's crazy to me that not in an all right way, but in a, like, we genuinely can't say anything anymore.

Or there's a certain amount of things we're not allowed to talk about anymore. and that's to watch this happen in real time, to be able to discuss this in real time as it's going on, I feel like I'm on acid every second of every day. Like I'm just, I feel like, woo, woo, and I thought it was the COVID. And like, I thought it was the grief. And I thought it was the COVID. And then I thought it was, I thought it was, it's like, no, guys, I think it's outside.

Like, I think it is just our current environment. It's coming from outside the house. Yeah. But it's also coming. from inside of the house. So it's like if the inside of the house is pushing against the outside of the house and then it's, I don't know, we're all just filled with like an inner struggle at every second of every day of how do we not care so much that we lose ourselves, but also how do we not lose ourselves

in a whole of apathy and not being able to handle it? It is just, it's one day to the next. But also, I gave MJ COVID through the computer. And that is, you know, wow, this hour year of 2025, we're going to make it. through this year. If it kills us, MJ, we're going to make it through this dictatorship. If it kills us, guys, we're going to make it. I know. We're going to, you know, thank God for Dancing with the Stars because it did feel, I literally, I turned on my app because I don't have cable anymore. A long time page seven listeners will remember I was a loyalist. I was a holdout. But I, we got rid of it. And now we just pay the same amount of money for all the different stupid apps. And I don't have the pleasure of just turning on the food network anymore, which is what I wanted, all I ever wanted. But so I turned on my Disney Plus app the other night. And I thought, oh, God, time to figure out what to watch. And I saw Dancing with the Stars was there. And just watching live TV dancing with the stars. I felt like I had been transported back to a simpler time. Oh yeah. And I know that there's no such thing as a simpler time and that the past was bad too.

Okay. But I just, we again, we have been doing page seven long enough to, I remember in 2010, the year we started page seven, there was this, there was an internet story called, uh, why I still believe that women aren't funny. And, uh, and, and, and I wrote a response to it. And that was kind of like the beginning of like, whoa, we can't say what we think anymore. And, you know, and then in 20, you know, around 2012, 2013 was when you start to heard the real rumblings of what, what, I can't say, I can't, we can't say anything anymore. What? We can't say anything anymore. We can't say anything anymore.

And that was all in a response to people using like Twitter to critique one another. And is that annoying? Certainly. But we have spent the last however many years being like we can't say anything. I mean, we have tried not to do that. But a lot of people, a lot of people have been panicking about. how you can't say anything anymore. Yeah, no, we pivoted. You know, there were things, many things you can pivot with like, oh, we can't say anything anymore. It's like, no,

just get better at making jokes. That's right. Just grow up. The critique is usual. And again, I'm not saying every critique you ever get on Twitter is good. But at the time, back then, the critique, the main critiques were like, maybe we shouldn't just write whole articles about how women aren't funny. And, and then now, you know, yada, yada, yada, rest in peace, the Jimmy Kimmel show. Yeah. Sorry, sorry, buddy.

Sorry that that completely Jimmy Kimmel level joke was the thing that broke the straw and the camel's back of state censorship. It wasn't even a hot take. It wasn't even something that, like, if you go and watch the clip, you're just like, that? That's the joke. I've watched it so many times being like, wait a minute, that's the joke. It's a perfectly, again, it's a Jimmy Kimmel.

It's a perfect late night joke. It's like, this is a... It was a softball. It was a lob. Softball. Yeah, and that's the thing. It was the easiest joke you could make that is also something that you can say on, well, you can't say on national television. So, you know what's good, MJ?

It's good to know our boundaries. You know, it's good to be put into a smaller box. I think it's, you know what, honestly, it's just like sew it shut. Why do you show this hole and this whole shot? Is that what you want? You want these holes shut up? That's what you want? I think that is what they want.

It's a little Ed Geeney maybe, but it is... Charlie on them, yeah. Did you see that great email that we got that said, you guys forgot about, you're talking about the male gays and the female gays, you're forgetting about the gays gays. The gay gays, the guy's gays, you're so right. It is the gays gays, and you were so right. He's got a type.

As the listener pointed out, it's just Ryan Murphy's type. And that solves everything. I didn't want to. have to figure out why. That solves everything. And, ah, good, all right. Are we at peace now? You know what? I'm really at peace because, um, because well, yes, there is. Because you're a piece of shit. I'm sorry, you're not a piece of shit. I just had to say it. Like I couldn't stop my mouth from saying it. Kick me while I'm down. I, uh, oh, you feel bad. Oh, you're all upset about everything going on. I'm upset. I am in a current, dystopian future. Yeah. It's fine.

You know, you know what? It's, what's really upsetting is that Hilaria Baldwin is probably going to be a real right on Dancing with the Stars, okay? I can noots with this. Okay, let's just out the gate. Can we say I want to give a shout out to Rachel that also, that wrote into the page 7 email because I don't know if I've ever felt so quickly validated before because Rachel did write in. Oh, yes, this was a great email.

Because I love that, I won't read it word for word, but essentially Rachel was saying, like, I've never watched an episode of Dancing with the Stars. I've known nothing about this show. and boy howdy do you start watching the first light i think i waited until minute six then i was like i love this and i know everything about dance i know i'm texting jacky the arm isn't straight enough oh you've got to extend that leg oh if you're coming that wasn't smooth wasn't smooth i'm sitting there judging this this just like big piece of garbage i'm high and i'm just like i'm eating orios i'm just like man that is not wow you didn't stick my all the aerial work really disrupted

the flow of that dance. I know. I was, it took me five minutes before I was just texting Jackie. I fucking love this show. I love this show. Also, season 34 of this show, by the way. We could have been this happy 33 times. I know where we've been, MJ.

It's because I think that we hadn't been to a mental place where we didn't know we needed. So you think you can dance. So you think you can dance is a different show, Jackie. That's a show that just features professional dancers. God damn it. I keep saying it. I was texting about the show earlier with a friend Cass that loves dancing with the stars. And I kept saying so you think you dance.

And she's like, do you mean dancing with the stars? I don't mean to. And I was like, fuck, fuck. And now I know I'm, now I am my mother every time she brings up the movie the perfect storm. And every time she would talk about that movie, she was like, storm, big storm. The extra rain, rain in the boats, whatever that movie is called. And now I'm going to be dancing whatever. The ones where the dance.

The one where Robert Irwin is like now I am struggling with the fact that I, like, weirdly tiny, tiny throb for him. And it's not my fault. It is only because of so you think, whoa. Dancing with the stars. That's how she's standing up. She's standing up and yelling guys. Dancing with the stars.

Talk about the straw that broke the camel's bag. This is going to be it. This is going to be it. Is this what's going to get us kicked off? Yeah. Okay, so you think you can dance is a great show also. I don't even know if it's still going. It's about professional dancers learning dances.

So dancing with the stars about professional dancers learn and dances with famous people who don't know how to dance. And we are here to say that it is a great show. And those stars are doing great. And I agree with Rachel. I feel a little bad for Corey Feldman. Corey Feldman is a little out of his element. He is one of these things is not like the other. He is either like Hilaria is old.

but she is older, you know, she's not a young person, but she is a former dancer. Yeah, I keep saying how old is she is. She is not that old. She's like orange. No, I know, but I am filled with a fury of a thousand sons that if Hilaria Baldwin wins this show, because all right, guys, she's great at it. Of course she's great at it. Of course, she's very, very disciplined. She's a former dancer. She's a former dancer. She is very good at it. But MJ, was she Tanner from head to toe in this?

I think she was noticeably head to toe much tanner than she was during the reality shows. Now, guys, I know people get fake dance. I know. But she's doing a lot of work here. She is, she, yeah, I don't know how to say this delicately, but she is continuing

the, the, the, process of trying to make us all think she's Latina. And she is dancing to Latina music. She is still speaking in her special little accent. No, it's not as strong as it used to be before she was caught, but she still doesn't, she still has an affectation, let's say. And yeah, she's saying, you know, how the music moves through her and all this stuff. And she, she did not technically say, I am from Spain on this episode, but it was like she was saying it without saying it. You know, I really feel like it. You know, I really feel like it. It was there.

She did the tango, right? Was that her dance? And I want her to do only dances from Spain. I know. It's like, I, although I can't wait to see that bitch tap. And I know, by the way, Latina's a different thing. We've talked about this. She's, but then there's Jen Affleck there being like, I'm not a dancer, but I am Latina.

And that's a, that's legit. You know, like, she has a relation. Like the music, you could tell. She also, she's, I have a lot to say about Jen Affleck. She's eight weeks postpartum. And she did a great job. She did a great job. She did a great job.

did a great job, but you're not even cleared for exercise until six weeks, Jen. Wow. I'm worried about Jen Affleck. I'm always worried about Jen Affleck. I've been worried about her since season one. But she did a great job. But she said that line, like, I'm not a dancer, but I am Latina. And I thought it was really sweet because she's like, this is obviously a part of her identity

that she does not get to really foster with her boyfriend. Mormondom. Yeah, with her husband and in Utah and everything. And so she, like, had this, like, like, you know, very emotional, like, connection to the music and to moving her body this way, even though she's eight weeks postpartum. And I did, yeah, I don't, afterwards, I was like, I don't know how to explain how Hilaria is still at it, even though she's, like, not quite still at it, but she is, she's, she's still at it, guys. And I, if she can make it through this entire live television event without either getting a stronger accent or saying something about Spain, I will eat my hat. And maybe I'm wrong. I don't think you're going to be wrong.

That's all I'm saying. Let's see how it unfold. I just want to also, though, my one thing is I do want Hilaria to win just so that I can watch how upset Alec Baldwin is to sit there and watch his wife perform. The only two people more upset are the two little boys who are also there. And they're just like nine years old. They don't want to be there. And Carmen is there.

But again, Carmen is just like, you know, an 11. year old girl. I'm sorry, an 11-year-old parent and writer. She looks bored. And I know she's very close with her mom. And I'm, I know, I'm like, I'm like, MJ, stop pathologizing the kids. Just let the kids be. But why are they like, I don't know. I just, like, hilarious. Alic Baldwin looked so upset. He was just like, it made me think of, though, he used to go to the opera. Like, it was definitely given I used to go to the opera. This, we get to watch every week. And the contest will be who looks more upset, Alec Baldwin or Zach Affleck, because he also looked upset. And I, and I,

And I was like, maybe you're upset because you have an eight-week-old at home and your wife is doing dancing with the stars. You're an extremely controlling person. And I don't want to say, Jen, don't dance because I want her to be free. I want her to do whatever she wants. I know. I want her to be free. I'm actually nervous for her. I know that I shouldn't because, again, this is putting on maybe too much. And she is an adult who could make her own choices, right?

Yes. But in the first season of Secret Lives War and in the second season, it definitely seems that Zach Affleck is at least abusive and controlling. emotionally abusive and controlling. At his best, he is emotionally abusive. And so it actually, I hate to have a dusting of like, I hope she's okay. That's exactly how I feel. And I feel so, yes, I know that's parisocial. And I know I also don't mean it in a condescending way.

No, I'm like more than a judgmental. Like sending love. Yes, I just, because also again, eight weeks to do that dance eight weeks postpartum is truly insane. And I don't know if it's insane and I like, you go, girls. all way, like, I think it's insane and a like, this could be dangerous way. Wow. But again, I don't... But she killed it. She killed it. She killed it. She killed it. And I really like her. And I'm so,

I am happy for her. I want her to be free. And you know what? While we're on the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, we got to hand it. Wow. So fucking Whitney. Who knew that uptight woman would dance like that? Also, did have no idea who she was. I didn't realize how much I identified her with that, like, blonde bob. but her with different hair. I was like, who is? I was like, that's Whitney? I had no.

But also she just looked. She was dynamic. Like she really put on a great performance. She's a skilled performer. I hate, because I, she's such, she's such a meany. And she reminds me of a specific type of meanie that we all grew up with, who is very good looking like she's nice. I know, but that competition between her and Jen Affleck, I'm here to watch it every week. That's the thing.

It's going to, it's going to. bump it up. Oh, they're going to try to... bump it up. But, yeah. But Whitney did fucking fantastic. We got to hand it to both. Both Mormon wives did fucking fantastic. Fantastic.

And if we're talking fantastic, we are talking about child, Robert Irwin. I'm going to keep saying child, Robert Irwin. He is a child. He's not his father, Jackie. You need... I know that you have a lot of things in your brain. He is a child. I know.

He's a baby. And he's a baby. And I've never felt this way. Okay, I've never felt this way. I don't like them young. You know I don't like them young. I like all of them old. He did a fantastic dance.

Let's say that. His dance was my favorite of all of them. It sparked within me that if I was 14 watching that, I would have been like, I would have been shot into outer space. He just has the best attitude of anyone I've ever seen on Earth. Like, he has just such an incredible vibe. Also, his sister, his older sister won dancing with the stars years ago. and they were showing clips from when she wanted.

He was like a kid. He was like 10. And so he's kind of like always kind of like wanted to follow in her footsteps and do it. And obviously he's like so into family and legacy. He says legacy is so important to me. I want to carry on my father's legacy not only with like who he was, but what he did for the world and for animals. And I'm just like, and then he danced.

And I was like, you get the fuck out of here. How? Because here's the thing, guys. Yes, neither of us are professional dancers. None of us have ever even been close. But the really fun thing about dancing with the stars, if you're still with us, we're 20 minutes in and we're talking about dancing with the stars. And if you're not sold, the thing about it is somehow.

We need it in this dystopian future. We need it. I just put it on. You know what? Yeah, there's a lot of fluff. But also, it's better than hear another shit, right? And it's hours long. Hours, hours long.

There's so much fluff. It's hosted by Carlton. Like, what is there not to love? But the best thing about it really is, like, people do great. Like, I'm so, it makes me feel like that naive joy for humanity I feel at the water park. I'm like, look at all these bastards. Learning choreography. I know.

Like, doing really good. Like, like, even Corey Feldman, yes, he is out of this element. But he tried so hard. So did Andy Ricker. Exactly. They were, but also, they know they're not going to win. You're going up against someone like a hilaria ball. Like, they know they're not going to win.

Go have a good time. And it seems like, Cory Feldman, I think Corey Feldman, I think Corey Filmmman, needs a good time. You know, like, let him have a good time. Yeah, he really needs a good time. And he wasn't, and it wasn't like, it wasn't like a, I feel bad for you situation. I mean, yes, I did. That said, the email said, I feel a little bad for Corey Feldman. And yes, it is, you feel like a little bad from because he's not a dancer. But it wasn't like, oftentimes you see a Cory Feldman public appearance and you're like, I'm actively worried about you. And it didn't feel like that. It just like one of those. It felt like, I will say, it seems like he's in an okay place right now. And so I wish nothing but the best for him. on Dancing with the Star. Yes, me too. And I mean, for those, honestly, look up Robert Irwin's dance. It is like a minute long if you just look it up on YouTube because Robert Irwin did give the best first dance in Dancing with the Stars history.

So it's like not only wasn't good. Apparently it is the best like opening dance that they've seen in 34 seasons. It was real, but you know, he still lost to Whitney. Whitney got a higher score, which is fine because she did great. But yeah, Robert Irwin just absolutely destroyed. it. And to be a 21-year-old, listen, I'm not trying to get political, but in these times, we need an earnest, excited, kind, 21-year-old. Young male, yes. He's like, I will dance and I will have, I will smile, and I will try to make the world a better place. And I love it. Man, the hell out of those

khakis. I was trying not to look at the khakis. I, it's, it was the, it's the, it's the teenager inside of me, all right? He's exactly the type of that teenager me would, like, kind of for. I understand. I think this is, I'm not watching Summer I Turn Pretty, but I've seen a lot of

women our age saying that it's bringing out the teenager in them in a weird way. I really enjoyed the first two seasons and I was like, I don't know, I think I might be,

is this a crazy thing to say? I was like, am I creepy for watching this show if I don't have kids? And it got to that point because the Subur I Turn Pretty is such a saucy,

young person's tale that I watched the second season. I was just like, I don't know if I should be sitting being like, yeah, you should kiss on that one. Yeah. But then it's like, Jackie, you love Riverdale. So it's like, but that was so absurd. Like, I feel like the absurdity of Riverdale is why I love to watch those teens and sometimes full grown adults and sometimes teens fucking. Like, I love that.

Did you see Madeline? What's her name? Madeline, I'm bringing it up right now so I can see. The actress who played Cheryl? Cheryl was on. call her daddy. Oh, because she's on the new, she's in Strangers Part 2. The second, they're making

more of them. And Alex asked her, what was the worst plotline you've ever had to act out, the worst Riverdale plotline you ever had to act out? And she said, where do I begin? Oh, my God. Come on. It made you. And it didn't break you. Come on. I love her. But if you're going to be

an adult who used to be on Riverdale, you've got to start being like, okay, let's talk about how Riverdale was the most of the unhinged shit we ever saw. I did just want to I'm sorry, just a second more on Dancing with the Stars. Please, I'm not done either. I did text you an unfortunate that, like, I dislike, something else I dislike about myself. Wow, we're really getting into deep territory here, is that I have a sexual attraction to Dylan Ephron.

And I said, I hate that also for you. I know that you hate this for me and I hate this for me. And I am so upset, but I tell y'all what, I challenge you. If you are attracted to that type in any way, shape, or form, watch the minute long dance. He just dances to milkshake. It is a one minute long thirst trap, essentially. His shirt is just open.

And he just has such a dazzling smile. And he is such a fun. He was fun to watch. They're all fun to watch. I want to go back and watch the situation season. I literally was like, why haven't I been doing this every year? It's such a fun show. It is, I'm sorry, it is such a fun show, and I'm so happy for all of them.

I'm not going to be here singing the praises of Hilaria Baldwin, but you got to admit, she's a great dancer. She did a great job. She's going to do a good job. And what's your name? Danielle Fisher did good. She just survived cancer. And she's saying, she danced to Kelly Clarkson.

I was texting Jackie. I'm crying. Also, the pentatonic guy did nice. Yes, you know. I'm only going to refer to him as the pentatonic. guy. I don't know his name. Until he gets kicked off.

I refuse to learn his name. The pentatotics guy did good. You know, it's like everybody, but they all like, you know what it was? It was wonderful to watch a bunch of people just trying their best. Trying their best. Just getting out there trying their best. And you can see how nervous they were. Totally.

And it's live. Yeah, it really takes this. I'm sorry, I'm turning into an old man. But yeah, we're old men. That's fine. Skill. All right. And it takes skill to learn dance.

It does take skill. It takes practice and skill to do it live. And there was a lot of these people, three of them or so are just social media stars. And I have old man feelings about that. I don't need to get into. But like in terms of like the way that TikTok is this vehicle for people to get into the industry now, which, you know, fine, whatever. But one of the women who was a TikTok person, like Alfonso, you know, Carlton asked her like, how does it feel to be like performing live, you know, as you're a TikTok star? And she was like, yeah, I've never performed live in front of anyone. Like, which is, it is like. Wow. I think that's going to be so scary. And, you know, how a couple of TikTok people have been gotten into the SNL, too. Like, I find it fascinating. Like, there's a lot of skill that goes into TikTok for sure.

But it is crazy. It's just different than performing live. So different that for the longest time, anybody who was performing live was probably, like in our time, it was because you had been performing live every night on small stages around for years, years and years. And so to be like, oh, now you're just performing on live television in front of a live audience. and you've never done that because you've only done things with social media like that's interesting

but I didn't even hate it she did behind she did great good for them and it really is kind of crazy because I'm not usually the person that gets sucked into dance the way MJ does and this show still did it for me I'm not gonna lie I did fast forward

a couple sections it's very long it is very long but also that's great I'm always you know I've been trying to fill that kind of, you know, the love island void of just fluff. And this is really giving it to me. And I mean, last night, I think we technically watched the opposite. Jeff looked at me randomly and we had a moment. We actually had an evening together, which is very rare for the two of us.

And he's like, I've been meaning to watch Grizzly Man. I've never watched it before. And I was like, oh, you want to watch Grizzly Man? Yeah, let's fucking go. And then we watched Grizzly Man. And I don't know if you remember. You watched Grizzly Man last night? Yeah, we did.

And there's just so much weird shit going on in the world. And it's so crazy to watch it. For those of you that are unaware, it is a 20-year-old movie that is a Werner Herzog documentary. I was going to say it's a Werner-Hurtzog, right? Yes, it is. And it follows the, it tells the story of this guy that was, that lived among the bears and lived life in the summer as if he kind of was a bear. in the Alaskan wilderness and how many people were against the fact that he was disrespecting the

covenant between man and bear and especially on other people's land and especially with what. And it was actually an interest, like for the fact that it was 20 years ago, like a very, you know, it's still conversations that we are having today of like how dare this guy come in and just, but that's not the, you know, the impetus of this doc. to show the life of this man, of this very interesting, kind of mentally broken man, but, you know, it's kind of crazy

because at one point, he goes back, like he always referred to the human world and the bear world, and he would refer to it as if he's not a part of the human world. And when he's kind of starting to kind of lose it, he gets on a plane to go back to the human world. He gets into a fight at the airport

about the validity of his ticket, and then he's like, I'm going back to the bear world. and he goes back to the bear world at a time when he never goes back to the bear world when all of his bears are all hibernating and it's all other different wild bears that move in and I honestly watch it and was like

man if I was in the bear world I probably wouldn't want to go back to the human world either yeah if I saw the world it's divided between bear world and human world it's like yeah stay in the bear world why would you want to come back and I feel like now 20 years later if I was like given the option of like, do you want to live in the bear world forever?

Or do you want to live in the human world? And I guess I'm going bear. I think we're going bear. Or growler, yes, please. But if I remember correctly, the bears don't always say, yes, come live among us. They are not consenting to his presence. And they let him know. I think that's the thing.

And they'll let you know if they don't want you there. Yeah, they really let him know in a way that I don't know why. in my brain, I thought, because I hadn't seen it since, like, it came out, like, 20 years ago. I thought they played the clip because there is a clip of the end of their life. I'm not even giving anything away. You find out within, like, the first, like, 10 minutes that he's obviously passed because there's a documentary about him. But there's actual, yeah, man, there's, like, footage, like, audio footage of their last,

of the last six minutes of their life. and it is apparent, and like, Werner Herzog listens to it, and he hands back the tape and he's like, never listen to this ever. You must destroy this tape. My life will never buy the same. And it was, you watch Werner Herzog get broken for a moment. If he gets broken, then you know it's serious. It's bad.

So you don't want to hear that tape, but I don't know why. I guess it's like, oh, God, what are those? You know, when you think back, but you think something's different. but it's actually not. It's one of those. I have one of those about the documentary. I thought I heard the audio of it. And so I would brace myself for hearing the...

Mandela Effect, thank you. I was like, you lost me. But even in your COVID fog, you found me. Thank you. Yes, thank you for finding me. I'll stop talking about Grizzly Man. I just wanted to remind everybody that Grizzly Man exists in case you forgot about it

and you wanted to put that back in your brain. It is a heavy documentary. Just let you know. I loved it because I had said to Jeff, I want to watch something light tonight. And that's what we chose. Grizzly Man. Wow.

We got to Grizzly Man. And I was like, this is us, isn't it? When we say we want to watch something light, throw on Grizzly man. You know, why don't we watch Dear Secretary? Like, I didn't just win a second. Why do we see how little that coffin is? We are now talking about other things,

and we're going to talk about Noah Wiley. Let's talk about No Wiley, please. If we're talking toasty, thirsty babies over yet. That's how much. That's me. Yeah. That is definitely, I am thirsty. Okay.

Is that not how you get in there? Noah Wiley at the Emmys is just, he's so hot. My problem is now, are you not, like, trapped in the brain of Sina screaming about how that's not Pittsburgh at all and how Yinsers would actually speak very, now I keep thinking about Noah Wiley talking like that, like with a Yinser accent. And I think I'm more attracted to him. Well, season two of the pit is going to come, which is great. I actually didn't know that there was going to be a season two until there was this new, renewed, like, press round about it because they had such a good night at the Emmys. And so,

I'm really excited for season two. And maybe, maybe they'll get the note from Sina and they'll all turn up the Jinser accent. I, I, it is, I can't stop laughing. thing about it, especially because I do think, because Catherine Lanasa also won, who is the charge nurse. We've talked about her at length. Her name is Dana on the show and I would die for her. She's perfect. And we were fine with the insur accent. And I thought she was doing a very effective insur accent, but as it goes to show, I don't know what it is because when you hear her talk, when she gave her speech, I was like, oh, she was doing an accent. Like you can tell she does not talk like that. Like she was deep in character work for her charge nurse character, right? But,

But we now know from Sina that it is inauthentic. Inauthentic. And Noah Wiley at the Emmys, so apparently he had had his suit. So he was in a beautiful, you know, he's looking really hot at the Emmys. And he was in a beautiful suit. But they were specifically talking about the tuxedo that he was wearing because I guess Noah Wiley was at the Gotham Awards. And he was asked by a journalist if his suit was as comfortable as the scrubs he

wears in the show. So he looked into the camera and made a challenge. to the medical uniform company that made the scrubs for the pit and said, no, it is not as comfortable as the scrubs, but if that company ever wants to make me a tuxedo, I would love to wear it because they are so comfortable. And this company, Figgs, did it. They were challenged by this hot man.

And I tell you, that hot man looked down the barrel of these fucking brown beauties up here, I'd be like, goish, goish, whatever you want. want whatever you want, baby. And I would, I'd fashion it. I'd rip the scrubs off of a currently working doctor. And I would fashion it for him. It is very funny because the quote, like from the Gotham Awards or whatever, the awards that when they were at,

he was asked the question, are these as comfortable as the scrubs you wear at work? And there's just something that's so funny to me about like, I think that Noah Wiley, because as an actor, he's kind of only ever played a doctor. I think that, like, it's like, it's true you do wear scrubs at work, but you're not a doctor. But I don't even have a problem with it. Like, I don't think it's stolen valor. Because I think all these doctors are so grateful that the pit, like, gave, you know, cried.

Shed light on, like, how difficult a situation, like, health care workers are in. And it seems like all doctors and nurses are, like, happy about, like, not all. But it seems like generally the response is very happy. But I just think it's funny, like, asking no wily, like, are these as comfortable as the scrubs you wear at work? which is a question you would ask a doctor. Doctor. Yeah, that's a doctor. It's a costume.

But whatever. I'm fine. I'm fine with it. But he had to wear the same outfit every day, MJ. And that gets old. And he rocked it. And then, you know, to his great credit, he gave when he gave his speech, he, you know, he's so cute. He's so great.

And he was like, you know, thank you to first responders. And thank you to shift workers who are coming off right now. We're going on right now. And yeah, like the couple of friends I have who are medical workers, like, you know, we're like, it's really nice to just like be seen like that by him. And so again, I don't think, I think that the weird relationship between Noah Wiley's acting career and only ever playing a doctor, it just seems fine. It's like we just, he just is a doctor. He's not an actor. No, he's a doctor. Yeah. And that's a doctor actor, yeah. Yeah, he's a doctor actor. Although

I imagine, I don't want him to do anything else. I do imagine that doctors and nurses, people that work very hard for, I imagine they, that probably they don't appreciate because he's not. The med school part. Yeah, he didn't have to do that. The med school, all the work, all the many, many hours of toil. And like, I mean, he didn't have to do that. He did have to memorize a lot. He had to memorize a lot. I wonder if also he gets the late night calls from friends as I call my friends who are doctors to be like, does this child need stitches? And God bless my doctor friend who will always answer the text, you know. And God, you have one. I don't have one. I have, I know too many comedians. If you're a doctor and you want to be friends with me, hit me up. I'd love to have a

doc in the park. Yeah, I've got a couple of... I need somebody that I can just call. Yeah, I got a couple of nurses in my life and then I've got a doctor and a physician's assistant. Or a nurse with anyone. If you know, you definitely know more, I mean, honestly, I'd rather, I know or in. Please call me. Please let me be your friend so that I can pick your brain. And bless you. Bless you, bless you for the work you do. And bless you especially to those of you who answer my texts. Does this child need stitches? The answer once was yes and once was no. So. So very valuable. All right, 50, 50 odds.

So this is good. So just start throwing that out there. Start making those odds better, I guess. So I guess you have to ask more. But, oh, I'm knocking on wood. Not that we want that. Now, I will say the Emmys were fine. I love Nate Bargatsy.

Yeah, he is a wonderful person. I think he did a great job. I love him too. You know, it wasn't incendiary. It was, they tried a bit this year on the Emmys where every, was it every, every second you went over or every minute, every second you went over.

Nate Bargassi said that they were going to be donating a large sum to the Boys and Girls Club, right? And for every second they went over, they were going to be deducting money from the amount that he was going to donate to incentivize the celebrities to wrap it up. There was like a visual couch, like a ticker of it, you know. I thought it was a funny bit.

Which is funny. And even Hannah Einbinder, was like, I know that I'm talking over it, but I will make up, I'll make up the amount that it's being paid. And she already has. I will, and also say, thank you. You have had her, you know, for her. Great speech.

You're killing it. You're doing great. I think that. Great speech. Great work. It is, it is, especially in these times, you know, things are getting dicey or out there. And, you know.

And it's real bravery. It is. At this point, it's insane that it is. Yeah. You know, because I also did see the headlines that are like, it's not enough. And it's like, do you see what's going on guys right now?

Like, do we see what's, like, a lot of things. Given the repression, yeah, given the repression that's going on, yeah, Hannah and Byrd Goberts, fuck ice free Palestine and also Javier Bartham,

was wearing a kiffia, you know, the red, right car, but yeah, no, there was a, I, of course, you can always say

if something is not enough, but when we know the world of celebrity gossip, and we know how, at least it's something. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, like,

but yeah, so she, that, she went over and, And she was, yeah, like you said, she was like, I'll make up the difference. But yeah, though, that was really, I thought the, and it didn't, you know, still, still things went long or whatever. But then at the end, at the end, there was a deficit.

There was like a big deficit for the Boys and Girls Club. But then Bargatsy was like, I'm actually going to give even more. And there's matching funds. And so they ended up donating like $250,000 to the Boys and Girls Club, which is nice. Yeah, because it did go into the negatives. It did end up getting to negative $60,000, by the way. It is, they subtracted a thousand dollars for every second, but still, that is, it ended up being negative 60,000. But I will say, as a part of some good news, I will throw it out there that Nate Bargatsy ended up donating $250,000, which even in my brain, I'm like, Nate, you have that much money to give to the boys and girls club?

I know. But also, I mean, I'm more like, fuck yeah, bitch. And CBS, which, fuck you, CBS, CBS, CBS donated 100,000, which, you. it's a lot, but Napar Gatsy donated $250,000. Just throwing that out there, CBS. But I will say as part of

I follow, I think it's called the good news movement, I think is what it's called on Instagram because guys, I'm so desperate for positive news. I think we all just got to like try to get it where we can. Apparently, the donations have been on a crazy uptick this whole week

at the Boys and Girls Club because of the stunt at the Emmys. So thank you, Emmys. I love that. I used to work with the Boys and Girls Club for a long time. It's an organization that does great programming. Great programming.

They do so much help for a lot of people and a lot of kids and a lot of families. And so it's great. I love that this is actually generating even more buzz for the boys and girls club. And that's awesome. So thank you Emmys for doing that. Thank you, Nate Bargatsy for doing that. And also I want to talk about another moment of good news of when Jeff Hiller won the Emmy. I knew there was something else we needed to talk about from the Emmys.

Oh, my God. I wept. And I haven't even seen that show, but I wept at the reaction from his fellow queer nominees. Unbelievable. Jeff Hiller won outstanding supporting actor in a comedy series for his performances, Joel, and somebody somewhere. And I have seen, like, the first three episodes of somebody somewhere. Here's the thing. I love sad.

Like, I love, not even sad, but it's like what bittersweet? What does that work? like a, you know, of just of time, of friendship. Yeah, yeah. I can't think of what that word is. You didn't watch the four seasons, which was what Coleman Domingo is dominated. Yes.

Yes. The kind of melancholic exploration of, yeah, of life. Sad. We love that. And I just, I love Bridget Everett. I got the opportunity to see Bridget Everett perform a couple of times in New York in really small places.

And she's just so cool. And I just, oh God. And watching her get that opportunity. I can't believe I haven't circled back to the show. He's definitely one of those where it was another wrong time and I needed to circle back to it. And I never did. And this, I am now wanting to circle back. Everyone was insanely surprised that Jeff Hiller won.

Yeah, total sleeper. Everyone thought it was going to be Harrison Ford. Yes. And what's crazy is that in the like showing of who won, you know, they show all the faces, Coleman Domingo, Michael Yuri and Bowen Yang's reaction were, they were, they were, like, ah, like the, it was queer solidarity. It was queer solidarity. It was just so supportive.

I wept. Like, yeah, Bowen Yang jumped up and started screaming. Coleman Domingo's beautiful face just lights up with joy. And yeah, Michael Yuri, same thing. It was so sweet. And, yeah, I saw a tweet that really stayed with me that was like, the tweet was like, I'm not trying to be snarky here, but I like, I wish, I long for, great people to have the same sense of community with one another that queer people have.

And it was, you know, with that screenshot. And I really, like, stuck with me just like the fact that it was so clear that the other three gay men in that category were so happy that it was him. And not like, I cried, I cried several times. It's really nice. I also, you know, it keeps popping back up and even looking at Ike Barron Holtz was nominated for the studio and I'm upset because like three weeks ago

I was like I'm not paying for Apple TV anymore I never watch anything on Apple TV I refuse to pay for it anymore so I canceled it and then I was like the studio fuck that's what I wanted to watch I watch the studio oh yeah I know and I loved the first two episodes and it was just another one of those I don't know if it's just a grief brain

I was like it just kind of got lost in the shuffle and I know that everyone's talking about how it was such a brilliant show and I'm like am I really going to start paying for this I know you have to create your own hills to die on and I don't know is this my new one I don't know yeah I know I we what used to be my strategy was I would sign up

for Apple TV in October because that's the the Charlie Brown specials only live on Apple TV so in October I would sign up for it I would pay for it for October November December till we watched Charlie Brown Christmas and then I would cancel it oh I love it It's grift. Now that's a fun grift. I mean, it's not a grift.

And I did this for years. Yeah, for at least three or four years now. That's what I've been doing. I pay for it for three months, for the months I need it. And then watch any shows you want to during that time and then stop. But then we had to pay for it again and bring it back because of fucking severance. Yeah, and that's the thing. It's going to come back around.

That's why I started paying for it again was because of severance. And then I'm like, I'm just pay. I'm just hemorrhaging money for so many subscriptions that I can't even watch all of them. And it's so annoyed. Like my brother still hasn't seen severance. even though he would love it because he's just like, I just can't do another subscription. It is crazy how Apple TV,

I don't know how they get away with it, where it's like every cast is so stacked. Every episode looks so expensive. And these are all shows that are getting renewed, renewed, renewed. And I don't know almost anybody that's watching most of them. I know. There's so many shows on Apple TV that I know are great. And a lot of people don't talk about it.

It's so insane. in this day and age of how much stuff comes out all the time. And yet still, I find myself before. So you think. Dancing with the stars. Dancing with the stars. I love this for you. I love this mistake.

I love this mistake. Is this going to be every week? Is this going to be my every waking moment of me not saying the right? It's a valid mistake, Jackie. I'm going to flip out. Don't blame yourself. That's going to be the straw that breaks my back. That's going to be it for me.

Just wait till you could watch so you think you can dance because it's great. I like watching the celebrity side. I know. You don't care enough about just regular old choreo. Because I don't know enough about it. Even though I obviously, you know, when watching the celebrities dance, you can tell which one's the original, which one's, you know, the celebrity. You can't. But it is also, man, I'm going to watch every time.

I did want to bring up the fact that this week, season six of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City has also started. I did see that. saw an head for it and I was like, are you fucking with me? Now I've got to keep up with dancing with the stars and Real House House of Salt Lake City, but that's fine. This is good news. Why am I complaining? It's fine. I know. It's a gift. It's a gift. I really need to get my kids watching one of these shows because the majority, at this point, the majority of the time I spend awake is with my, like, when you have little kids, you have this whole evening where they go to sleep at seven. And then you have like an evening

with your partner. And we used to like eat dinner after they went to bed and like have a nice time together. And then has they get older. Bed-d-down. No, it's actually, it's considerably more fun. And I haven't smiled a day since. No, I love the stage of parenting I'm in and I love these ages. And I think it's actually just totally, totally fun. Like, see my relationship with K-pop Demon Hunters, Gideon and I want to be the Sajja Boys for Halloween. Not even our kids' suggestion. We just want to do it. Are you going to do it? I think so. We have to, like, now the kids are like, well, there's only two of you. we need to fill out the whole group. Like so they're recruiting my brother and my sister-in-law and like that.

So we'll see. We'll see. But like, oh my God, you're getting the fam together to be all of them. I really hope this for you. And then I asked. But also no pressure. If you don't get together, if you don't get it together, it's okay. And then I told the kids, I was like, okay, well, you two, I know there's three people

in Huntricks, but you two will be, you know, we'll figure out who you guys want to be from Huntricks. And both of them were like, oh, we're not doing Kabeop Demon Hunters is our costume. Like they just, it's just us. I don't know. I don't know. But. They haven't just, I guess, it's just the kind of thing, though, are they still at the age where you have to, like, kind of keep asking up until, like, the day of and then go get the costume because they keep changing what they want to be.

That is what it's been every year. We'll see this year. Okay. In first and second grade, we'll see. Because it seemed like Holden went through that last year because by the time, you know, Winnie just kept wanting to be the same thing, kept on it. And then by the time it came around, she didn't want to be that anymore. And they're like, we have the whole costume. We got all the things. We got everything for the three of us to be this.

And then she showed up. Of course, Winnie is in a different costume, but Lexi and Holden are it. Like, they were going to come as a family costume. Yes, but they don't. And Winnie's in something completely different. Something totally unrelated. We were trying to do something as a family. Yeah, no, well, I have no idea what they're going to be.

But, yeah, like I, most of the things I watch, I now watch with them. And so, but I was watching Dancing with the Stars and I was like, maybe my kids would like this. You know, there's beautiful gowns, beautiful gowns, you know. Beautiful gowns. We'll see. But, yeah, you know, one more thought on Dancing with Stars and why. it's so good is that those professional dancers, they really have to take care of their partner. And I think that that's like such a loving act to be a professional dancer who makes your partner

look good. Thank you for bringing this up because I was thinking about this. In the terms of improv that I was thinking about like, oh, it's like when you do improv where someone is really seasoned and someone has no idea what they're doing and you kind of have to be like, all right, well then I'm going to do this for the both of us and we've got to like get through this together and you got a yes and each other to like make something work here. And it's kind of like that. Yes, absolutely. And it is a give and take.

It really is a, like the professional dancers are trying to make everything look great, but also make them shine, which is difficult to do all at once. Like that's a whole other special skill that, like, they must have to really add on every year. I know. I know. It's very impressive. and Jen Affleck is partnered with an Ares dancer. Oh my God.

Oh my God. This show has something for everyone. Should we talk about Nick Cannon, Jackie? Oh, we can. I just needed to just quickly yell about the fact that Bronwyn is still on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. And I just, she annoys me so much. That's right. I don't think I'm caught up.

Fuck. Was I? I thought I was. I will also throw it out there. I don't know a lot about Bronwyn. It said that it was season six. So I was like, it's already season six. Like, if you had, like, gun in my head,

asked me how many seasons of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, I would have said two. I was like, probably two. I know. I mean, I feel like I just didn't know that there was that much of it inside of my brain. I got a little muddled with the Jen Shah trial. Secret. Exactly.

And also with the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. I think I got, like, that a little mixed into the mix. Yeah. No, Bronwyn, the whole, yeah, every time I'm like such a, I fear change. And every time they bring in a new housewife, I'm like, I'm not going to like this bitch. And then you fall in love with him.

Oh, my God. I'm currently falling in love with Dorinda, but we're not talking about Real Housewives of New York right now. No, I also want to throw it out there. Meredith Marks is performing, speaking of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Meredith Marks is performing a DJ set here in Los Angeles. And the tickets are $30.

They're only $30? They are $30. Or you can get a VIP. I mean, oh, don't worry, there's a VIP. And you can meet Meredith Marks. She is also coming to New York. She's coming to L.A. in, like, October. She's coming to New York in mid-December.

And I'm like, am I, I, I mean, I guess I have COVID now. So I won't, but I, you know. Yeah, you won't have it. That was why I didn't go to the Mariah Carey pop up because I was like, I'm not going to go, like, I try to avoid super crowded public places in a few weeks before Christmas just because of the time that everybody is sick and I don't want to miss Christmas. But so I was like, I'm not going to get COVID at the Mariah Carey Black Irish pop up. And am I going to get COVID at Meredith Mark's DJ pop up right before Christmas?

But I have it now. so probably not. So maybe I can go. Probably not. And plus you're going to go in October and you're going to tell me whether it's worth it whether it's worth the 30 bucks.

I need to see if her eyes are going to be open while she doesn't. Like I want to see how many pills she takes before doing the DJ set. Like it's talking about Mariah Carey being propped up. Meredith Marks is not conscious. What if she's DJing from the bath? I need to see it.

Also, speaking of like, I mean, talking to me through the ether, the first episode of this season of The Real House and Salt Lake City, the episode is called Hot Dogs and Hearsay. Wow. And if that doesn't scream, Jackie, I don't know what does. Jackie, Hot Dogs and Hearsay Zabrowski. Yeah, you're damn right. Thicking at you.

Oh, yeah, baby. I can't wait. I honestly was a little upset at Dancing with the Stars. Now, do I have to pause and think about it before I say it every time? Maybe that's what our new reality is. But Dancing the Stars, I was a little upset because it was an hour and a half. And I was like, I won't have time to watch Real House House. So we'll have to figure this out, guys.

We're going to have to figure it out in our week. But I think that we will. And I am excited about it. But yes, now we can talk about, you know, Nick Cannon. I love that you just wrote next to the link, Nick Cannon trauma response, because that may as well be the headline. Careless Nick Cannon claims becoming a 12-time dad was trauma response to Mariah Carey divorce.

Now, what do you think about that? I think this is funny because to me, there's never been a more obvious statement made on earth. Like, yeah, it's like we knew this. You used to be kind of normal. You were like a child star and then you married Maria Carey and it was kind of like everyone was like, is this age gap weird? I guess it's fine. And it was like a normal.

Is it like the huge full back tattoo where it says Mariah? Like, is that fine? Oh, is it going to be forever? Okay, great. Like, he used to be like a relatively normal star, you know, quirky and et cetera. But like, and then when he broke up with Mariah, he proceeded to have, I think, yeah, 10 more children. And so it's just so obvious that it was a weird breakup trauma response. And he is over here having, you know, when a man has insight.

And like, you're like, good. Yeah, good. Wow. Good for you. Like, he's over here on Charlavich. Did somebody have a therapy? okay on breakfast club being like yeah I think I think it was like I think it was like a trauma response and yeah yeah you just want to like kind of rub his back and be like yeah yeah but say more journal about it

yeah let's let's work on this I'm glad that you're honestly I will say recognizing it is definitely a huge step if he hadn't thought of that before you know that is I I'm trying to say the positives that is a positive that is growth and it also is what was the thing we were watching recently where someone was lying. Oh, it was the documentary about, it was the unknown number documentary. The way that the mom talks when she's caught in the lie. Oh, my God, that footage of getting caught in the lie, my chest hurts just thinking about it. I know. And this is like, Nick Cannon's not caught in a lie, but you know, when you're talking about something that makes you uncomfortable, there's a certain type of speech that people take on where

they stop using, like, it's so passive. The, the. sentences don't even make sense. Like there's no subjects, there's no verbs. And so as he's talking about this, he's just, he's not saying like, I had a trauma response. He's saying like, the word, the phrases that he's using are like, it just, these things happened and it was a matter

and made another kid and, oh, my drama. And he's saying like, oh, it was just a, it was maybe not being careful here or maybe not making this protection here. And, you know, you listen to him and you're like, what you're saying, like, actually makes no sense. If you were to write it down

and read it. It would make, you're not actually saying anything, but what you're struggling, but it's because you're very uncomfortable and you're struggling to take ownership of it. You're not saying, I made a mistake or I made these choices. You're saying like, these things just happened. And I think it was trauma. Yeah. But again, you got to start somewhere.

I wonder how the kids are going to feel about the trauma responses. They get older. I wonder how they're going to feel. Well, I know. I know. It is hard to be like. We'll see it as it goes. Right.

On the one hand, I'm proud of him for having this like personal revelation, but On the other hand, I also subscribe to the belief that you should not say anything into a microphone that your kids don't want to hear. Yeah. My God, I have been, this is my own little hobby horse. I'm just going to stand on for two minutes. Oh, I mean, hobby horses are cute. There is. Now there has been so much, and we've talked about a lot on the show, the shift towards awareness of how celebrities, not only celebrities, but I'm thinking right now of influencers talk about their kids.

And there's been this shift towards maybe don't show your kid on the potty. Don't show every moment of your kid. And now a lot of them, and also because there was a law changed in Utah where the mass majority of these family influencers come from, where you have to share the money with the kids. So a lot of those people don't want to share the money. So they're not showing the kids anymore. So a lot of people are putting little emojis over their kids' face or whatever. But they're doing that. Well, they're also sharing extremely private details about the kid's life.

How many influencers I have who are not showing their kids' face very purposely. Like, look at me, I'm so brave. if I'm not showing my kids' face. And then they're like, my 10-year-old boy shared this deeply private thought with me, and I'm going to share it here. And I'm like, could we not? Yeah, can we not? Could we not?

Think of his confidence. Like, why can't we treat kids like they're also fully grown human beings? I don't understand why people. I also feel it is disrespectful to hit your kids. Are you hitting other adults? No, don't hear your kids. Treat kids with respect. And it's something that when you watch that kind of stuff,

It's like, that's so disrespectful. You're like, you're sharing what, how would you feel if somebody did that to you? People are sharing what medications their kids are on. People are sharing their great. I'm like, literally there's like HIPAA and FERPA and you're the mom. So I guess you decide to like break these privacy laws. But there it is, I'm sorry, that is a tangent. But there is like.

I understand. I appreciate your tangent. And yeah. So Nick Cannon, again, I'm happy for his like self-awareness. But you do have to think about the fact that your kids will, your kids will hear you say that. And you got to be careful about that. You got to be careful about that. And, you know, I guess you got to be careful with you say a couple of times.

I don't mean to circle back to the Madeline pitch, patch, patch. Cheryl Blossom. I'm just going to say Cheryl Blossom. Going back to that Caller Daddy podcast because I just saw a headline that she definitely wanted to set the record straight about what Kijiehap I said. And if you remember, was it last week? Yeah, that they were all. They were all sucking and fucking. And she says, may I set the record straight about Riverdale, actually?

Recently, an article came out saying that we all fucked each other on the show. I did not touch a single person on that show with a 10-foot pole. May I repeat that one more time? I did not fuck a single person on Riverdale. I never touched them. That's what happened. Thank you for coming my TED Talk. Wow.

Madeline that's bringing the Sherrill Blassey. some vibes to bringing the the interview. Was that Cheryl to the situation? Was that Cheryl or Madeline, okay? Exactly. Talk about perfect casting. Casting.

We got the fucking head bitch in charge herself. Cheryl Blossom being like, never would, never good. And yes, bitch. That is exactly how she would say. I was waiting for her to be like,

and my mother lived in the walls and I still wasn't fucking everybody. brother was a animated corpse. Corpse doll. So, yeah, I, I wasn't fucking everybody. And I just loved that she needed to say it, needed to get that out there. And I love you, Cheryl.

Oh, so now, oh, I want this. Please let us have a new update next week. Please let somebody weigh in. Right. Lily. I want Mendez, come on, weigh in here. I want Dr. Fantasy to weigh in. I want it coming from him.

Yeah, I want his whole, like, the whole vibe. coming in and be like, you tell me what to think from now on, Mr. Fantasy. Is it Mr. Fantasy? Mr. Fantasie? It is Dr. Fantasy because I think about Henry's, Henry's Instagram is Dr. Fantasi and has been Dr. Fantasi since the beginning of time. And I meant to ask Henry, did he feel upset because Kijiazza is really coming into his territory.

It is Mr. Fantasy. Okay. That's why I'm confusing them. Henry's Dr. Fantastic. How Madeline Pat. Oh, every, I'm so glad you saw this, Jackie, because I did not. I missed these headlines.

Okay, yeah. Well, now we need to know. I mean, this is the thing. Who else can we trust, though? I don't trust. I mean, she further did say, I don't claim that shit at all. I don't mix business and pleasure like that.

I've never hooked up with a co-star. Good for her, bitch. I trust her. I certainly trust her more than KJEPA. Oh, yeah. And we know we can't trust Cole Spouse. No. No, we certainly can't.

But yeah, Camilla Mendes way in. I want to know what you think. Well, she was sucking and fucking. She was definitely suck it. I mean, she was sucking on Reggie. But also, Lord knows what else. You know, who knows. She hasn't come out and said I wasn't sucking fucking on other people.

So I'll believe it when I hear it. I just, I follow, uh, the, the actress who plays Vanessa. I don't even, I'm not even, I'm Googling it. Vanessa Kirby. Um, uh, is that her name? The one who is, who is, who is. No, Vanessa Kirby's a different one. She's that blonde.

Tony. Tony. There you go. I'm, I'm, I'm Googling like Tony from Riverdale, Vanessa Morgan. Um, Vanessa Morgan. And she just like has a beautiful family. And I love her. I just, it's, you know, Riverdale is such, it feels like a dream.

It feels like a seven-year dream we all went through. And so to see, it almost feels surreal to even see that there's actual news headlines about it. Because at the time, no one else was watching it. No one else was talking about it. Like, I'm actually honestly surprised that she was even invited on Call Her Daddy because I don't think anyone cares about Riverdale. So I'm happy for her. She's in the new strangers. She's in the Strangers part two that's coming out.

And again, not to reiterate, I can't believe they made another one after the first third. or was that the, I think that one was the third or the fourth one. And I love Cheryl Blossom and I love horror movies and I still didn't watch it. So, that's, that's quite a combo. We got there. That is an indictment. But I do love the original strangers. Okay.

I mean, I throw that out there. It is fun. And I'm glad she's getting work. We've been talking about will these people from Riverdale get work and because of Mr. Fantasy is making his own work. Making his own work. But yeah, Lily Reinhart's got work. I'm glad Madeline Petch has work.

I don't know what's going to happen to Cole Spruce. I hope that he's okay. My kids have discovered this YouTube channel where this person does like 90s, like nostalgia. And my kids love it, which is so funny to me because I'm like, this is like you want to watch YouTube about the American Girl Dolls from the 90s? Okay. Okay. Yesterday they were watching one about like Disney stars like from our, like it was like a throwback to like Selena Gomez. And, and they had one about like Cole.

and Dylan Spouse. And I was like, you guys don't even know who these people are. Like, this is nostalgia that predates you. Wow. And they'll still consume that content. That's good to know. You know, these are things we've got to file away. It's like, and they'll still listen to it.

That's great. I also, I don't remember, I think I watched it over break. I ended up watching Lisa Frankenstein, which is that Cole Spouse movie that a lot of people say, I think I had said, I may had said that I was never going to watch it. And I think a lot of people were like, use your watch. It's cute. And it definitely I watched it

in like the middle of a day on a Sunday and I'll throw it out there It was great Oh good It's a little delightful Little bite Also it is kind of fun

because you know Coles Proust has really talked like a hell of a lot in it But even though Colesbrose is a good actor I'm not even saying that Because he's not a good actor But Catherine Newton

Catherine Newton is a lot of fun to watch And it was just a really cute movie It was just a cute Little Horty As a monster fucker I love watching younger people being graciated into the world of monster fuckerdom.

I think that it's important to remind them that you can fuck a monster. Totally. And I think that we have been holding a grudge for years now against Cole Spruz because we think that he broke Lily Reinhardt's heart. But I'm also ready to admit that we don't have enough personal knowledge of the situation to condemn Cole Spruz. I will throw it out. So I wish him well.

I guess I wish him well. I will throw it out there that, you know, whatever happened to Lily Reinhart, she is currently dating someone that looks just like him and I believe that she has only dated people that look just like him so maybe that is like I'm not saying that she's broken like a promise I just don't know like maybe it's just a type maybe she just has type and it's just that it's just it oh my god he does look like him

I know bro because I saw a random picture that she had posted on Instagram and I was like are they it oh it's not Colesprouse her current boy oh this is this guy could win a colesbrose lookalike yeah you can clock it from Farwee. Talk about trauma responses. But, you know, who knows? We are now putting this on them. So who knows what happens?

Maybe she broke him and would that she could. I hope it for her. I hope so, yeah. But I hope for you guys that you guys have a great rest of your week. I know that we're going to have to get out of here. Yeah. And thank you. I will say if you made it this far in this episode,

It's because you at least knew that you could listen to us talk about dancing with the stars for multiple minutes. And you made it through that. And it's not going to stop. We are going to continue watching this. If you made it this far and you haven't personally reported us to the vice president or the president, we thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your service. Appreciate that.

Hope you keep that up. And guys, let's just, I'm going to make it through this year. if it kills me. I think you need a little bit of mountain goats in your life. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. You can follow me on Instagram at Jack That Worm. Coming out on our Patreon, guys, patreon. Patreon.com slash page 7 podcast.

We are just finishing up with the second Stuky Stachas Books. I guess we're moving through the third one. I don't think I'm going to ask anybody. I think I'm just going to, I got to keep my moving. I want more of the story and you can't stop me. You guys could if you really wanted me to stop. I would. But also, we are in the thick of Buffy. Guys, Buffy Tuesdays. This season is where, I mean, we're got. We're now got. Buffy is now one of my favorite shows. I immediately am already in the place of, I kind of want to start watching it again. But we will cross that bridge when we get to it. M.J. I love you, Jackie. I'm mad at you for giving me COVID through the internet, but that's okay. I did do this. It's all right. We got through it. Damn.

We love hearing from you guys, patreon.com slash page 7 podcast. Page 7 podcast at Gmail.com. Thank you to all of you. Remember, I have been hearing from some of you guys out there about how isolating it can feel right now in these times. And some very sweet people saying that they feel just a little less lonely in this page 7 community. And so we are very grateful for you guys. You are not alone. We are all in this together.

And we are going to make it through this year if it kills us. If it kills us. And also, if you need a little bit of extra content, don't forget next Thursday, the 25th, September 25th, YouTube.com slash at Who's the B? We've got a live bitch-a-thon for you. So come hang out with us. 4 to 7 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, 7 to 10 Eastern Standard Time.

We are going to be live taking your calls. So if you want some human connection, give us a call. Come bitch to us. Give us the details. We love a bitch ses. Come hang with us next week. Thank you so much, MJ. Thank you so much, everybody.

Have a beautiful week. Let's sing the song. I'll be better. We'll sing a dime round. This show is made possible by listeners like you. Thanks to our ad sponsors. You can support our shows by supporting them. For more shows like the one you just listened to,

go to lastpodcastnetwork.com.