Page 7 - Second Helpings - The Horrors Don't Cease

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

Jackie and MJ are back again for a Second Helpin'! This week, HILARIA berates her husband publicly in an attempt to be cute but definitely comes off pompous and MEAN, then she uses the 15 year old sister of her daughter's friend to let the world know her dropping the accent is Code Switching. Geoff introduced Jackie to Jack Reacher with 3 words 'Big Beefy Boys', and keeping with the theme of masculinity, MJ is trying the British police procedural  'Adolescents' and it's not fun. at all. TLC is dropping trailers for a new show called 'Poly Family' but it's not out until April! MJ also checked out 'Heretic', warns all airport travelers they will too, and MJ attempts to sell Jackie on 'Disco Foot' much to Bully Jackie's chagrin, plus even more!  Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

MJ, you ready to hit it? Ready. Paddle be better the second time. Wow, we really nailed it this time. Yeah. Step by step more like minute by minute we are getting through every second of every day. Guys, welcome to the second happens. Oh, you need a little bit extra.

So glad you decided to come by. MJ, how the hell are you feeling? Do you have Eladia? Has she borrowed an Eladia? whole inside of your head. What I'm talking, you know talking. What I'm talking, you're not talking. Am I talking?

You're not talking. Oh, my goodness. Now I really wish I had made it to the Planet Hollywood Times Square opening. Also, fun fact. I have a source on the inside. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You didn't tell me about this source.

Who's the source on the inside? I didn't tell you. This is not a Baldwin source on the inside. This is a Planet Hollywood source on the inside. I thought you were talking to the 10-year-old girl that's treated like she's a 25-year-old. girl. Oh my gosh, I'm really worried about it. This episode was really stressful, but no, I did, I did hear from somebody. This episode was, I don't know how they could make an episode that's not about the manslaughter trial, be as stressful as this nothing episode was.

Yes. You're right. This episode was. Yes, you're right. We've moved past the manslaughter. And yet, the horrors don't cease. Like it's somehow getting worse? Well, I don't know if you realize how rough it is for Hilaria. And I feel like you're really not thinking about her for a second. I think that there's just a moment in your brain where it was not all consumed by Hillary Lynn Thomas. And we are here to just destroy that. Because now, oh, she's here. And when she is talking, you are not talking.

We are, of course, referencing the viral clip of them at the planet Hollywood. Times Square opening that they quote unquote hosted, which we did play it on yesterday's show with Henry, but in case you've missed it, it is just Hilaria berating her husband publicly, but in like a cute married way. But apparently the planet Hollywood at Times Square is a storied place with lots of, lots of near-do-wells. I heard from somebody who used to work there. Oh.

Oh, oh, God. How did they live to tell the tale? Yeah, it sounds like it's just a, if the walls could talk, you know, at the Times Square Planet Hollywood. They were just asking for them to sew their lips back shut. It's like, please don't give us the ability to talk. We don't want to think about it. You don't want to hear what we have to say. But, yes, much like Alec Baldwin, the walls cannot talk.

And he is not allowed to speak with. But I do have to say, we're at the forefront of culture right now, Jackie, because we have been shooting on the Baldwin's for obviously quite some time. Yes. And now they, because of this extremely can't emphasize enough how budget this event was. Like how janky the planet Hollywood Times Square reopening party looked. What? How sea list the influencers that I knew who were invited to it.

And yet, because that interview is so painful, that specific clip of her, when I talk of you, you don't talking. Like, it's so painful. It is exploding everywhere. It is at the top of page six today. And there's also a New Yorker article in the Critics Dope book, The Unsettling Cheer of the Baldwin's, which compares the show to Bohol and Drive and the general lynchian experience of smiling through the pain. in a very compelling way. Yeah, man, I can do it with a broken heart. If Tay can do it, then Hilaria can do it, okay?

We all got to pull through. But this is insane that they're even talking about because the entire episode was so desperate. It was so shrouded in this like, do you see? It's all normal. I'm going to have the 15-year-old do my nails for 15 minutes while I talk to her about code switching. Let's talk about Hilaria Baldwin's seeking validation from a 15-year-old girl. That child!

Who moved from the UK to America. And Hilaria is like, so let's talk about your accent. Do you have an accent? Do you have an accent? Do you have an accent? Like me and my accent. And it's actually wild because this British girl who did recently move from the UK to America has less of a British accent than Hilaria has a fake Spanish accent. But she's like, again, 15 years old, she's doing Hilaria's nails because Hilaria made her daughter's friend's older sister come to do her nails.

It was such an awkward. It was all awkward. This whole episode. Like the choices that are being made painful. It's like I feel like she like corners this girl to talk about code switching. I feel like they had had a bunch of episodes where they're like, okay, we're going to have all these episodes surrounding the trial. They realize like, oh, maybe we shouldn't do this. You know, we'll just have some half episodes about the trial.

And then just the rest of the time pretend like none of these other groundbreaking insane things are going on. But then they had that weird therapy scene where it wasn't a therapy scene. Televised therapy. That person may be a real therapist, but that I know. I was like, what is this, like, what choice is this, this mental health professional making to be on the Baldwin's televising a therapy session? This is so, really seems to go across codes of ethics in so many ways. This is obvious, this is not what therapy is. like why the cameras can't be in there.

What do we? What do we? I have, I have questions. I'm not saying I'm going to report anyone, but I have questions. I do also. I was just saying I was so thankful for this person on Reddit keeps putting out these very detailed recaps of every episodes of the Baldwin's.

So if you're not hearing enough of us complaining about the Baldwin's and you want moment by moment actual like pulled quotes that a person is right. writing down from every episode, just look to the Hilaria Baldwin Reddit. And if you need every minute of action but don't want to give them the ratings, you can also read these recaps as well. And we know that Hilaria is there because we know from Holden's Blinds of yesteryear that she hires detectives to keep track what they say about her on the Reddit. May I read a little bit from the New Yorker article? Please. Because this New Yorker article really captures what you and I have been kind of like sputtering through, you know, the

Like, it's very hard to articulate the experience of watching the Baldwin's because it's just so you're having these really disparate experiences of like wacky family. And the New York article is like, it's like John and Kate Plus 8 meets David Lynch, you know. So it's a very well written article. So they describe these contradictions here. As a parent, it's sometimes necessary to wear a mask of cheerfulness to protect one's children, not only from one's own internal angst, but also from harsh outside realities. But the odd and uncomfortable thing about the baldwins is that the attitude, Hilaria, suggests, as a mothering tactic, appears to serve, too, as a way for the family to present itself on the show more generally, perhaps in an attempt at image rehabilitation in the wake of the rust shooting. I have to fill my children's days with positive energy, hilarious says. It doesn't mean we ignore bad things, but they have to see a smile on my face.

They have to see me being kooky and silly. The Baldwin treats viewers as if they too were children, while purporting to pull back the. the curtain and reveal real life that happens behind the scrim of scandal and celebrity to find out, in hilarious words, where do you go from a tragedy? The show ends up being mostly pasting on a frozen rictus grin whose dark underside we only catch glimpses of. Damn. Yeah, yeah. It is rough. It is rough. I mean, they ain't wrong. No, they are. I mean, and so, yeah, so now you have this really awkward shift in the arc of the show. Do we know how many episodes there will be? I have no idea.

I don't even know if they know. They're probably still desperately editing those episodes trying to pull these things together. Yeah. I would assume. No, there's no, they're not letting us know how many episodes are going to be. We don't know how long it's going to go on for. But I guess I'm here to just live in this purgatory of hate watching. And I'm fine with continuing on in a nebulous way of just moving forward in the way that their family is trying to just.

move forward and then they have that whole scene with a very very open farm where they're all making food and then they're like oh my god a paparazzi oh my god you don't know what it's like you don't know what it's like for us i'm sorry you don't know what he's lying about us and the family when we want to make the Bees. And that whole scene made, I was just like, you, this is obviously like a weird plant. And if it's not, yeah, of course, you have a bunch of cameras following you. It's not like you're inside of your own home. You're in an open farm where everybody knows you're going to be there. Yeah, I do. This is tough because I think the only, the, I've spoken before about how. We have to keep going, though. We can't keep talking about the Baldwin. No, I know. The final thoughts on the

Baldwin's, I do find Alec Baldwin's nonstop cursing at the press to be pretty fun. I like, like, when they're harassing him and his kids, I think it's fun that he threatens them. But at the same time, in the episode, he's like, yeah, I used to threaten the bumperussie. I'm too tired of, but didn't, hasn't he been doing this up until like three months ago? Like, I feel like he just screamed at somebody. Right? Yeah, he just screamed at somebody.

There was a Trump impersonator who was being awful. to him with the kids right there and and Alec Baldwin comes up and like what I like it is I'm sorry it is very funny he he he likes to do like very like vivid physical threats like he'll come up and be like I'm going to ring your fucking neck and I don't force that favor in general but you know there is there's something kind of primally satisfying about it and then the other highlight of this episode was definitely the tour of the house where his room is literally literally like a dark, un-renovated... Dungeon. Dungeon.

Just covered in just trash. And he's like, eh, don't look at my... He's like, this is where I put my things. I have a space for myself. And then they ask about... They show the Hillary's bathroom. And then they say, can we see your bathroom? And he goes, I'm too embarrassed.

It's too sad. You can't see my bathroom. And I also just started, because he keeping a running tab of all the kind of gutteral noises he makes throughout the episode. Like at one point, he literally just goes, and he at one point for no reason he goes oh dear god you know he's just in a constant state of despair he's always upset and as jeff pointed out he walks like a man in excruciating physical pain as well he looks like he's got back pain yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he's got back pain it is really

it is the problem though is that i'm also we're also reading the woman in me for uh celebrities and thinking about the paparazzi and thinking about and how like soul-sucking it is and what it can do to your psyche over time and then like I feel so many feelings towards Britney Spears and what she went through

but in the same vein I can watch Alec Baldwin and be like, yeah, go after him but then watch him scream and then I just love watching the back and forth of it that I'm just like, Britney Spears needs to be protected, stop, leave her, alone and then get them. Yeah, get them guys. Yeah, go after. I mean, not in front of the kids.

I don't think any of that stuff should happen in front of the kids. People harassed. No, Jackie, I went through the same thing. I was like, we literally spent yesterday morning talking about how horrific the paparazzi was to Brittany and how they, you know, they ruin her life. They put her in, you know, so much like physical danger. They chased after her with the kids and all of that. And again, that is why I do support Alec Baldwin, you know, not threatening, whatever. But it is satisfying to see him, like, go after people when he's with his kids and be protective of that. That, I think, is support.

But a lot of this episode was Helaria talking about her relationship with the press and the paparazzi and how sad it is and how hurtful it is. And I'm like, yeah, that really would suck. She talks about, like, the first time after they got married and she, like, tries to go on a run. And she's, like, being chased by them. And she tries to tell the cops and the cops are, like, your public figure, they have press badges. get used to it. What can we do? And I did, I really had this, I was like, should I extend the same empathy towards Hilaria? No. That I do towards Brittany. But I think the, yeah, the thing is, Britney was, is an artist making

music and, and that doesn't mean that just because Hilaria doesn't do anything, doesn't mean she deserves to be harassed. But it is kind of a different thing because she, her job is to be a famous person. And that does seem like a different, I don't know, I would welcome people's thoughts on this. Like, why is it so different? I mean, of course, also there's, Brittany was so young. She was so vulnerable. It started so young for Britney Spears. I think that is a huge part of it is that so much of the idea of consent had already been taken away from Britney Spears at a very young age. And with Britain, this pattern of exploitation. Exactly. And a cycle of Abuse. Correct. Right. And Hilaria took her fucking shit by the reins and was like, I'm choosing where this sleigh is going. Yeah, I guess she's fucking Santa Hose over here. She does want to. She shares everything about, I mean, she, this episode focused a lot on all of the private things she shares. She shares. Private things about her kids that she shares. And so I do think that if you're cultivating that that being a public figure, that unfortunately, that is a time where you have to, where,

where these are the conditions of being a public figure? I don't know. I don't think that the paparazzi should harass them. I want to be clear about that. And especially when they're with their kids. But I was really trying to do some self-reflection on why it feels so different to hear Hilaria complain about being a public figure versus hearing Brittany talk about her experience, you know. Well, and also two people that so desperately want to be mothers, I think, too. It's an interesting spectrum of what they feel where it's like,

Britney Spears then wanted to keep her children private and hidden from everyone and wanted to give them the choices and the consent that she never had. But that's the opposite of what Hilaria wants for her children where she wants them all out and seen and be. And I think that's what yucks me to such an extreme. Yes. It is fundamentally hard to hear Alec and Hilaria complain about the press and the way that the press treats them. and their kids and how their kids deserve privacy well they are in the act of putting their children on television

like in the act of bringing cameras into their home. Right? Yes. In the act of like publishing her 10 year olds like face mask recipes in a book. You know, the whole thing is that they are

part of what they are, part of what Hilaria has always wanted to do is to use her own children as a stepping stool towards her own stardom. Yes. And that is, you're right. That's the, Brittany was like,

Please, I just want my kids to be private. I just want my kids to be left alone. I just want to be a mama. But then that's why, like, we're watching people that are now starting to come up, like Chapel Rhone, who is advocating for herself and trying to advocate for other people. And then, you know, but then there's also the backlash of, you know, over the weekend, Chapel Rhone did this live stream. This was so funny.

She accidentally added someone to her live while she was doing it on TikTok. and then the person wouldn't leave the live on TikTok. But then there's also a part of the conversation that people are like, well, you're leaving yourself open to it. See, look, you're doing these lives. So, yeah, stuff like that's going to happen. You're keeping, you're the one that's also, like, opening yourself up for everybody when like.

Oh, that's dumb. This was such a, it was just a funny little mistake. Like, this guy is like he really wants to do this, like, TikTok live match thing. And it would be very annoying if someone did that. And then they wouldn't leave the show. I'd be like, get the fuck out. And she's like, please leave, please leave.

And she's trying to speak Urdu to him. It is, I think it's, I think that this was just like a, to me, this was a legit celebrity is there just like us. Like I can just imagine this actually happening and being like, please, please, please leave, please leave. Please leave. We got to end this. And yeah, I mean, you know, we've said it before. I'll say it again. To me, the most appealing thing about chapel is how, you know, kind of slightly messy she is.

She's real. She's really figuring it all out in real time, you know. And I think that that is fun. I think that's fun for her. Sorry, I'm just laughing about, I think that that was on page seven yesterday when Henry was just like, and I don't think that Chaparone made a good country song. Oh, I think.

Okay. All right, pop, pop, okay, whatever you say, pop, pop, all right. Yeah. Just go back to sleep. Okay. Yes. Yes. When they're young people, I've heard of a duolipa before.

Oh, it's like, yeah, Dual leap has been out for a while, Henry. But I just think it's, because I'm enjoying The Giver. And you know what? I've heard it probably 35 times since it came out not that long ago. And it's stuck in my head all the time. So if that's not a great pop song, well, it means it's definitely a good pop song if it gets stuck in your head like that. That's what the machine is for. Oh, yeah.

No, I think, you know, and again, I, I, we, we, you know, we got chapels like, you know, Chapel came in with such an entrance. And so now we get to see what comes next. And that is sometimes a awkward segue to go from like a, you know, kind of flawless entry into the mainstream. But I'm here for it. I'm loving it. In every conflict, there's at least one bitch. A huge bitch, a silly bitch.

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Twitch channel where we'll be taking your calls live on air. Help us help you figure out who's the bitch. Oh man, you know what I'm also here for and I'm sorry MJ, but I'm about to take you on a journey, but you got to reach for it. I need to bring up the fact that I just learned about the world of Jack Reacher. Okay, yeah, let's talk about Reacher. I don't know where I've been. I mean, I know that Reacher has been a television show. Yes.

I knew nothing about the world of Jack Reacher. And last night, Jeff started telling me about this show. He's like, have you heard about this show, Reacher, where it's just like a big throbbing hot dude that is able to like solve crimes, but he's not a detective and he doesn't have any credentials and he's not a part of the police force, but he kind of just keeps showing up and everybody like trusts him, but also it's because he's so big. And I was like, no, what's that? And can we watch it? And so explained to me and showed to me the world of Jack Reacher, which apparently there's many. any Jack Reacher books. It's an extensive paperback universe. Had absolutely no idea that essentially it was like popcorn. It's like our smug. It's our popcorn.

It's our other mothers. But it's for. It's the boring version of other mothers. It's for boys. Yes. They made other mothers but for boys. Yes. This is, and I do, I do dip a toe into the. I've never dipped a toe into the Jack Reacher universe.

But I like, I'll occasionally read like a David Balladoochee or like, that the boy, the ones that like, I don't know if you remember going to the public libraries as a kid and there was just like the wrote, like the little book turnstiles. Oh yeah. Paperbacks, you know, and they had one with all the Fear Street books and the Christopher Pike books. Oh, yeah, and the Hardy Boys. And then there was also, there was like the adult boys section and it had like the David Balladucci's and the John Grishams and the Jack Reachers.

Dream Daddy. Yeah, I love the adult boys section. Yes, please. And people keep talking. I'm so glad that you're bringing this up because people keep talking about I think it was my dad and my brother the other day. We're talking about Reacher, Reacher, Reacher. And I just kept thinking, they must not be talking about the 2012 film Jack Reacher

featuring Tom Cruise. But in a way, they were. So much funnier because the whole thing that I had no idea that everybody was so upset that with Tom Cruise playing Jack Reacher is he's supposed to be six, five. He's supposed to be everywhere he goes. He's like a machine of a man. Like, he's so big that in the episode, he literally will walk into a room. And like the DA will look over me like, I never seen a man that big.

And they bring up how big he is. I think in like twice in every scene. If you just Google, reacher, you'll see how big he is. You don't even need scale. It's like, he's so big that you don't even need anything. But then sometimes you'll see a picture of him standing next to someone else. And then you're like, oh, he's big. And everything is all that like forced perspective because even the person that's playing,

Alan Richson, which the people that love, Jack Reacher love that he's playing Jack Reacher. And I've watched three episodes of Jack Reacher. And my big question, and what blows my mind is I was like, this is apparently, and if you know nothing about this show, essentially, like I said, big throbbing dude that like is a hobo and he kind of goes from town to town getting wrapped up in mysteries that he ends up solving. Yeah. And what is so funny about the show is that most people are watching this and not laughing through every episode that most of the country is watching this just being like, yeah, look at him go. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, look at him. Yeah, he always knows how to solve the case. But it's like they're watching it as if he's Colombo, but Colombo at least had credentials. No. This is just some dude that he keeps like. He'll take the gun out of like a cop's like holster and use it. And it's just so funny. He's just some dude that nobody knows.

And I have been laughing and laughing and laughing. We have had so much fun watching this. But again, I think that most of the world is not laughing. But you know what? I think that's great. I've been thinking a lot about masculinity lately. Also, perhaps because I'm watching adolescence, which we can talk about later. Oh, my God.

We are going to talk about. that. But that's all, we, Jeff and I have had multiple conversations that at one point, maybe I was very stone while watching this. I looked at him and I was like, do you feel that this is, like, do you feel that this is masculinity to a team? Is this like a healthy, safe masculinity for boys? How do you feel? Yeah. Yeah. I was like, how do you feel about this? And essentially, he was just saying, he's like, to me, that is not, but he's like, I also require, I feel masculine. It also includes like emotional intelligence. I also feel like it means like other, because he is definitely very emotionally cut off in lots of, lots of ways. And he is, like, I thought they were just going to, I was like, oh, he's an ace character.

I thought that he was going to be, which I think would be even more fun. But no, of course, at the one point, they're like, he's got to have the sexy dance with the female cop, you see. Yeah, they can't have a, you know. Man, that big be asexual. Come on now. But he's so big. He must be fucking. He's got to be laying pipe all over town. Did you see how big he is? I just wanted to throw it out there in case anyone is curious or if you have a partner that

it's really into Reacher and you're like never in my life, whatever, watch it. Watch it for the laughs. Dude. Just throwing it out there. I saw Jack Reacher 2012 with Tom Cruise in the movie theater for some reason. Why? I don't know. I don't know.

But it happened. Like, this is why I was so, for years, people have been talking about Reacher. And I'm like, they can't possibly be talking about Jack Racher. And they have been. Yes. And I also never really fully understood that this was all talking about the same character. Yeah. Like I didn't know.

I never, I never thought about it. I never thought about the books. I never thought about the show. I just know that, I mean, it's currently the third season is coming out. And it's very popular. And I know everybody loves it. It's very popular, which is why I kind of wanted to check it out. And this dude, Alan Richson, was also in the ministry of ungentlemanly.

Warfare, which I checked out a while ago, and it's crazy because at the time, I remember him specifically because Henry Cavill is so fucking hot in that movie, and he's an even bigger, throbier, like, Henry Cavill in

the ministry of Ungentlemanly warfare. Like, they were both outthrobbing each other, and I mean, but yeah, man, put him on a boat, they ain't enough space for him. Somebody's got to go overboard and get all weird. I think it's great. I think I want men have a nice big man to watch as like a little treat, you know, like have a nice, large man

who's solving murders with no experience and no reason, no job. Yeah, no ties. He's a drifter. Well, that's, that's exactly. And that's what I was like, do you feel, I asked this to Jeff was like, do you feel that part of the current idea of what masculinity is, do you feel it is no ties? And he's Like, I think that that's what I veer from, that, like, I feel it's very masculine to have a family. I feel it's very masculine to have friendship. I, in this show, they don't necessarily feel that way. They like, like, that it is playing into the ideal for a lot of men in this country that want no responsibilities going from town to town. They can do whatever they want, whatever they dream.

They just have a, they have constant income that they never have to worry about. but it goes into a credit union so they pay cash for everything. You know, it's like that is such a great. Like, it's so interesting. Well, that's fine. I just want that. Like, maybe we can have like a little reacher and like if we're in that flavor of masculinity, maybe like a little carouac.

Like a little like we also kiss our best friends, you know. Yes. I, because. Oh, my God. White Lotus? Yeah. Or our brothers. Oh, yeah.

Why don't we tell you. Or our brothers. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to spoil it. Literally, it was spoiled the second the episode came out. It was all. spoiled for me by the time I watched it the following day. Yeah, I'm hoping that by this, the show comes out on Friday after the Sunday drop of the most recent White Lotus. So hopefully

that did not spoil anything for you. But yeah, let's talk about masculinity some more. I love Patrick Schwarzenegger. He's doing such a good job. Such a good job. I mean, I, all right, Patrick Schwarzenegger did such a great job. It is really crazy that everything was like, oh man, that kiss. Oh, man, that kiss. But talk about masculinity. That scene between Sam Rockwell and Walton Gagins might have been one of the greatest things I've ever seen. Sam Rockwell's monologue was unbelievable. I'm not even going to talk for a second about what he talks about in that monologue because I want you to experience it for yourself. It truly cannot be paraphrased or severized. It's worth it. If you're not on the White Lotus train right now, it is worth it to either

look up the Sam Rockwell monologue from this episode or just watch the episode because the whole episode, it was fabulous television. Wow. I just really felt like, I felt like such an old person that I really, in the way that like I used to say about my 28 year old car back when cars were cause because the car would always fall apart, but I was like, that's television, baby. Yes. It's how I felt about this last White Lotus episode. Good Lord. Yes. Yeah. And I think, yeah, I, it's been interesting to follow the discourse around White Lotus because I do think it's going to, obviously, if you're talking about like a Good Morning America interview or whatever, everyone's getting hung up on the stupid details. Like there was this Jason Isaac, you know, was it your real pain or was it not your real pain? And poor Jason Isaac's is like, let's, let's talk about the double standard. here and Good Morning America is just like, real peat or not real peat, you know.

It is really good. That is an interesting point, though, that Jason Isaacs brought up, the fact that everybody always asks when they show penis, they immediately, all of the interviewers will ask, was it your real penis or was it not? And he's like, you're not asking women if those were their real breasts. You're not asking, he's like, you're not asking, this is such a weird double standard. And it really is. Yeah.

And I think it's like, as a society, we're so intrigued. by the fact that like penis is finally being brought into our, our screen. You know what I mean? Like I feel like it was always so like, oh, we could never show a penis. I mean, yeah, show pussies abound. But no, never penis. And now so many shows hanged on left and right that it's, I like that hopefully, I'm going to say in the next five years, maybe they'll stop asking that question because

were so used to see in Dong all over the place that it's like, why even ask? Yeah. Yeah. And similarly, I think that there is a lot of the coverage of this most recent episode is just like, two brothers kissing. And, you know, Patrick Schwarzenegger's like, I think that this is actually like an exploration about like the fragleness of my character. And, you know, he said, you know, you come into the whole thing of White Lotus is you come in. And then you leave a different person, like all your expectations and your ideas about yourself change while you're there. And like this is like a scene where all like you get to see that this guy who seems so cocky and strong is actually like really insecure and really like, you know, able to be like influenced by those around him. And, you know, he's like, Patrick Schwarzenator had this very insightful thoughts on that scene.

And, you know, so much of the coverage is just like, they're slogging on each. other, you know. But they did such a great job with the scene because I'd only heard like, Brother Kiss, Brother Kiss. I was like, all right, I'd love to see, like, what is the situation that they find themselves in? And it is such a scene that if you have ever, I'm going to say it, done a bunch of drugs and were like having a real, like, insane experience and you don't quite know exactly what's going on, but you're just all so wrapped up in the fucking moment and just experiencing and feeling. Yeah. Yeah.

Ego death. Yes. And sometimes you just do shit that like you didn't expect to do. And like, I love the look on both of their faces afterwards where Patrick Schwarzenegger is just like, Jesus Christ. And then his brothers was like, yeah, we're fucked up. And that was it. Yeah. It was that.

It was just that moment. It wasn't like they were sucking on each other. And oh my God. Now it's, now they want to be together. And now it's even framing it as incest. I mean, it is two brothers kissing. But all the headlines are like incest, incest, incest, incest. And I'm like, it's much more about two brothers having ego death and a crazy drug experience together and like bonding.

Yes. Getting weird. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, those headlines. I think it's, I think it's, I think those headlines are very misleading. I'm not trying to like normalize it. Yeah. And I'm also like, yeah, I'm not like kissing my siblings on the fucking mouth.

I'm not Angelina Jolian over here. I'm just. And it is supposed to be uncomfortable and weird. Yeah. No question about it. But also, yeah, like it's, it's, yeah, it's, it's, this entire episode, it's, it's, white light this is doing such interesting things with television. It's just really, really, really fun. But also get me to that full moon party, you fucks. I wanted to be there so badly. That's when I

realized that like 20 something me still lives in there. Like in reality, no, I'd be absolutely terrified at this point in time. I'd be like, oh God, I shouldn't be doing this. Oh God, this is going to be horrible. Oh, God, please. Even watching all of the women in their 40s do all the shots. I was just thinking about like, oh my God. You're going to fuck the rest of your vacation if you keep drinking like that. Like you're not going to, like, this isn't worth. That's when you know your old watching shows, though. This was my experience as well.

I was watching it and I, yeah, I just, I had a complete, I was not thinking like, take me back to that age. What I was thinking was like, oh my God, someday my kids are going to party like this and like, how can I stop them even though I partied? I mean, not like that. But like, I, I, I, I, I, I, wanted to do that. You know, I tried to do, I wanted to. We got a lot taken care of in New York in our youth. I know that we weren't in Thailand per se, but right. But like that reckless, like that,

that, that, that, you know, the, the vertigo of careening towards the most reckless decisions you can possibly make that is just inherently part of being young. And then, yes, I know I am old now, because when I watch it now, I feel like panic. Oh, yes. Instead of identification. Oh, yeah. And also, I feel like the whole Jason Isaac's storyline is so. different and talk about another idea like discussion of masculinity and like how much is on someone that is deemed the head of the family and how that he that little breakdown that he has when he's talking about like you I've had pressure on me since the fucking stark of all of this and it's never let up and it's because that is a part of the pressure and talk about like the masculine ideal

does not talk about those things. You're not supposed to bring that up. Props to Jason Isaac for and to the writers of White Lotus for... Kim, he deserves an Emmy. He deserves a fucking Emmy. For making an extremely unlikable, unsympathetic character, sympathetic. You know what I mean? Bro.

The arc of like Holden having like a... I'm so triggered by the North Carolina couple like this. You know, you come in, they come in and you're just like, fuck these people. And even as his downfall is unfolding, you're kind of taking this gleeful, like, enjoyment in it and then you would get to this point where you're like oh my god I even feel bad for you it's it is just so well done

and of course you find yourself rooting so hard for Parker Posey and her Larazepam where's her my Larazepam I'm gonna have to drink myself to sleep my absolute favorite life I'm gonna keep saying it over and over drink myself to sleep I completely understand also did want to throw it out there because I was looking

into this I once I heard that Sam Rockwell was going to be on this episode, I thought that I saw a picture of him and Leslie Bibb together. Leslie Bibb, who plays one of the women that is having their 40s Kiki, the one that is more of like a Trumper, like the and doesn't want to be partying with them. She is Sam Rockwell's partner. But everyone in the internet wanted to find out if she got him the role. But she didn't.

She was actually like, like Mike White came to her and was like, I'm going to give Sam this bit part. And all her immediate reaction was like, just don't be offended if he says no. He is very, very busy. I just want you to know, please don't take it personally. If he can't make it here, he's in South Africa shooting something right now. So when she found out, but then he was able to make it. But it's got to, like, I'm reading through all these interviews and what they're all talking about. Because you got to think they're all at White Lotus.

They're all there for six months. And they all bonded so much because it's such an insane experience to all be in Thailand that entire time shooting this very intense show in like a way that like it is such an amazing ensemble cast. And yet most of the characters are never in one scene together. So she's like, yeah, Sam was here for like eight days. but we didn't have a scene together. And he like understood like a snapshot of what we went through in White Lotus. But she's like, you don't understand what we went through for six months. Wow.

That they all kind of like, you kind of get trapped there. Like it is a little bit like Hotel California-esque. Or a little bit like White Lotus. I wonder. Yeah, man. That element, like there's also one of the articles that you sent this week is Parker Posey, talk about how hot it is. And yeah, that just it is like something's kind of special.

about White Lotus that it's just so very much about the location that each season is in, and it's so immersive. And have I shared on the show? I don't think I've shared that my, for some reason, whenever I fall asleep, I have a bad habit of falling asleep on the couch watching TV. You got to witness this yourself, Jackie, when I was staying in your house. And then I pretend I'm not falling asleep, which I think is really annoying to the people I'm with specifically my husband.

No, I think it's very cute. I think it's very adorable. I will fall asleep and then Gideon will be like, you're asleep. And I'll be like, no, I'm not. But for some reason, my subconscious reaction to pretend that I'm engaged with watching something is I will wake up and I'll go, this must have been a lot of fun to shoot. That's like my, I don't remember saying it. That's your law. That's my lie.

This must have been a lot of fun to shoot. You're so cute. And now, but sometimes I really do want to say this must have been a lot of fun to shoot. And so, you know, White Lotus must have been a lot of fun to shoot. And the fact that like it seems like a lot of them really are getting along and that they've maintained their friendships after shooting too seems really cute. And everything about like a Patrick Schwarzenegger makes you want to roll your eyes. But he just seems really fucking sweet. Yeah.

Seems like a little sweetie. And after that last episode, props to him. Very impressed. I want to be, you know, I'm not trying to be a nepo apologist. And I did think it was very funny that quote we talked about a couple shows ago where he was like, I worked hard. I was all of my school plays and I took theater classes and like, yes, yes, Patrick Schwarzenegger, but he just is doing a great job. Like, he has a very expressive face. He is doing a really excellent job of completely capturing the insufferableness of that particular type of young, rich boy. And he's just killing it. Like, he's, I just, I just got to hand it to him. But also, that last episode, like, we watched it, we shouldn't have watched it at the last

thing of the night because I was so nervous and upset. by the end of the episode that we had to watch one more episode of Reacher. Like, I didn't know how I was going to go to sleep unless we had stayed up until 12.30, making sure we watched one more episode of Reacher, you know, just got to. I highly recommend if you want to, again, laugh, but also have almost no feelings whatsoever. Check out Reacher. Well, we don't have to spend a lot of time on this, but since this show was accidentally themed about masculinity, There is this very trending, at least in my, maybe because I'm a parent, but I'm seeing a lot of buzz about it, miniseries on Netflix called Adolescence.

Oh my God. It is British. Oh, my God. Please. It is not fun. I know. It's not a fun like a reacher. It's not even fun like a white list.

This is the problem. And I was just saying this to MJ that like I've been having like real bad brain recently and I can't handle anything too intense, which is why. watch and reach her. But I read about, and I watched the trailer for adolescence, and even just watching the trailer, I was like, I can't handle this right now. Yeah. So tell us about what we can't handle, MJ. I'll tell you why not to watch it. No, it is, I like, I like to be sad. And I like, I like a dark British drama. Fuck yeah, dude. I really, I really do. Take us there. Take us. So it is a dark British drama about a. 13-year-old boy accused of murdering a classmate.

But the broader theme that emerges pretty quickly, I'm on episode three. I think that there's maybe four episodes. I believe there's four episodes. Because even then I was like, I don't think I can take all four. Like, I don't know. I'm like, maybe if I watch one. I finished episode three. And I just started episode four.

So it is. But it's supposed to be unbelievable. So what is the take? What's the perspective? Because it's different, right? Well, so it is, it's actually, it feels very familiar. Like it feels just kind of like a, you know, classic British police procedural. But it's basically about in like, it's basically about gen alpha, you know, young people and young boys specifically relationship to, not only to masculinity, but it emerges fairly quickly.

And I'm, I don't think this is spoiling anything. The central question of the, it's not exactly like a whodunit, but it's more like, the central question is, what is this 13 year old boy's relationship with, you know, manhood and with girls and also specifically like in-cell culture? Like there's this question of like, what does the concept of insult culture, like the, both as put forward by people like Andrew Tate, but also, as kind of like weaponized by like girls to be like, oh, you're like a loser in cell, like that idea and what that means for young boys. And it is very much a show about how like it's, it's,

it's very much a show about how, how masculinity, how expectations around masculinity are harming young boys. And it's kind of one of these. And this is like a big, buzzy question right now. You know, like since the election, obviously there's been a lot of talk about like young men, Gen Z men.

And obviously like the rise of like the Paul brothers and the Tate brothers. And like there's a lot of this is like a, this is a hot topic right now. But this I think is done very well. I've seen a lot of threads from people who work with young people. I taught middle school for five years

that it is done in a very thoughtful way. And yeah, I think a 13 year old today is not Gen Z. I think that's Gen Alpha. The next one. But basically like, you know, what it means to be a boy growing up with the potential for radicalization, you know, with like if you're a young boy

who's feeling a lot of the things that, you know, in my generation, you might go read Jack Kerouac, right? But now it's like, and I'm not trying to romanticize my generation, but the way that an alienated young boy now who feels frustrated about girls or feels, you know, feels ugly or feels left out

or feels like he doesn't fit in with the other boys or fit in what, you know, he's not going to get girls or whatever, the way that there's this kind of like trap door online to get into the more, you know, dangerous parts of that. And so that's kind of what it is an exploration of. But it's all very British and very understated and very like, it is, it is just a police procedural.

But it's taking on this bigger question. And I am enjoying it. I think it's well done. I actually haven't not read a ton of, like, interviews or, you know, reviews about it. It's getting insane reviews. The one thing that I was talking about is that the fact that all the episodes are one shot. They did it seamlessly, actually. did them in one-shot episodes.

So it's supposed... They're all really one-shot? Because it feels that... Like, they have these long, long, walking... It's all one-shot. How it says this headline, filming adolescents, how the Netflix series pulled off one-shot episodes

without stitching takes together. So that's... Wow, shit. That's what I had been reading about that it's all supposed to be happening in real time. Wow. Yeah, see, I'm...

I'm not so good at noticing form like that. I had noticed the long shot. There's lots of... Like, there's a scene where they're in a school, and, you know, the cop says, like, I need a place to privately speak with someone. And then it used, you, you follow them like, you, like the secretary being like, okay, yeah, yeah, I'll find a place. And you follow them kind of like snaking down the stairs and like looking into different rooms and going.

Drones. It's like they use drones. They would like pop from things to thing, which is like, that's got to be insane. Yeah, wow. I mean, I was talking about this. I mean, at this point, probably like a month ago or two months ago when I saw the movie Mads, which is a whole zombie movie that's all. also shot in a one take.

And like Monday through Friday, they would start running. They would do the whole movie all in the one shot Monday. And then by Friday, that one shot take, they used as the movie. And like that's so, the idea of one shots is so insane to me because now it's not like, oh, it's just one person with a camera. It's jumping from like thing to thing to thing that is also shooting at the same time. That's, that like, breaks me. my brain. I don't understand it. Like, I can't imagine keeping all of that together and that's so

cool. That's also wild to do with such young actors because some of the actors in it are like, you know, very, very young. Yeah. But yeah, it's cool. I would, I would, I always love hearing from, from listeners about the stuff we talk about. But I think this particular one is, is interesting because obviously I'm raising girls, but I talk to a lot of parents who are raising boys who are, who feel like, you know, sometimes I feel like I hear from parents that this feeling of like, I can only, you know, there's, as with any parenthood, you get to a point where you can only protect them from so much and they have to go out in the world and they have to, you know, you can't, you might think I'm not going to get them a phone and then you end up they need a phone or whatever it might be. I'm not going to get them social media and then maybe, you know, they really, like, and so it's all about like this, like, how do you protect boys from like from kind of the worst of what's out there? How do you help boys through this time of life? that is like really, really hard no matter what and what do they need to get through it safely. And it's very compassionate and I'm really interested.

You know, I've always been interested in feminism of the point of view of how patriarchy hurts boys too. And it's never just been about lifting up girls and putting down boys. And that's why a lot of the discourse around this I think is frustrating. Like, well, we've we've helped girls so much. So now girls are outperforming boys on, you know, academics or whatever. Now we've got to shove them back in the box. Let the boys out. Let them out to play.

So I think this does a very good job of having a very compassionate, you know, perspective on this struggling young main character. So it is one that I would love to hear people's thoughts on. It is very sad and very hard to watch. So if you are not in the mood for that, do not watch it. But if you like to be sad like me, come along for the ride. Oh, my God. If you like to be sad like us, I'm so excited about the show Polly fans.

that's going to be coming out. I'm so upset because they just dropped. I don't know, MJ, this was not a part of her links. I apologize. I'm sidebarring right now. TLC is dropping a show called Polly Family, and they just dropped the teaser trailer for it, and I'm viscerally upset that it's not coming out until the end of April

because I want it now. I want it right now. Give it to me. I want to find out about the ins and outs of this Polly family. I want to find out how. To handle this complicated issue is TLC. TLC. You know that they're not doing any background checks on them. You know that, in fact, they're probably encouraging any kind of criminal activity they might be a part of. I am excited because right now I am so in the opposite world of watching an adolescence. Like I need more Polly family. I've been really into, I am. I need everyone to know. This is the only thing I'll say about it. I'm finally starting to understand why. Everyone feels that Bethany Frankel is evil in Real Housewives of New York. Oh, yeah.

I am now in the third season, and I understand there's a shift. Uh-huh. There's a bit of a shift between the second season and the third season, and I just need everyone to know. I'm finally seeing it. Everyone knew I was going to see it soon and eventually. And, man, never turn you back on Jill Zaire. That's what I'm going to say.

Never turn you back on Jill Zerrin. I never would, Jill. Are you really going to work your way through the entire... What year are you in? Now you're in like 2011? Maybe. Yeah, like a 2011-ish. I'm going to relive our lives, the Real Housewife.

It is really great for me that Love is Blind has ended because I don't need to, like, I need more Roney time. And I don't know if the fan base calls it Roney. I'm assuming they do, but I can't... I think they do. I feel like, what am I going to say, Real House is like New York City every fucking time? No. No. Roney is so much easier. Yeah.

But it is weird that, like, at first I was like, I'll never like Ramona. And I don't know. I'm kind of liking Ramona. It's these goddamn women. They worm into your brain. I feel like RFK over here. I'm just, I can feel I'm wriggling around. And I'm like, give it, give it.

Give it. Okay. Well, yeah, I see love is blind ended for me. And I just went immediately to the sad, dark British procedural. So that's the difference between you and me. Speaking of masculinity, I mean, you also did check out. Heretic and I am curious about how you feel. I mean, if you want to throw in the idea of masculinity and religion in there, I mean, we don't need to start that fucking conversation. But Hugh Grant is great in the movie. He's great. I love a daddy Hugh Grant. I unfortunately have a bit of a soft spot for Hugh Grant. I know that he has a badman history. But I think that he has apologized. He's a huge asshole. And if I remember correctly, I feel like this comes up every single time. He was dating. Elizabeth Hurley, but I believe that he properly hired a sex worker.

I don't think the gations are, this is the problem on page seven, we're always searching like Hugh Grant Gatians. Gations? Gations? Gations? I don't think that gaysians were in the nature of non-consent. I think the gations were in the nature of cheating on someone with a sex worker, which I think is hard to, like, I need to do a little bit of unpacking of how we talked about sex work

in the 90s and how that scandal was presented in the 90s compared to like if you know what I mean like correct is that because most of that back then it's just like man he's slamming a hooker when he could be slamming Elizabeth Hurley and those are literally the headlines just like okay well like are you more offended on the behalf of how hot Elizabeth Hurley you understand right and I know that this goes hand in hand with the discourse about baby girl, you do understand that hot people get cheated on too, right? Does the world get this? You know nice people

also get cheated on? When people are like, she would have never cheated, she never would have done it to him, to Antonio Banderas and Baby Girl, where you're just like, you know that shit happens all the time, right? When it's just, it's not about being sexually attracted to a person

at times. You know that sometimes it's not about that, but we don't need to go down that road either. But Heretic, you would enjoyed it. Yes, I did enjoy it. And Sophie Thatcher is unbelievable. I found a list of various allegations against Hugh Grant's biggest controversies. And one of them is saying that Julia Roberts has a big mouth. That rat fuck. How dare he talk about canonically large mouth, Julia Roberts like that. And he said literally she has a big mouth, which we all know it's true. I'm sorry.

I also literally have a big mouth. I'm not offended if someone says I have a big mouth. I'm fine with it. I'm not saying you should cheat on Elizabeth Hurley. But in any case, yes, he's great. Heretic is good. I know that you talked about it on Talking TV before, but I didn't have the context to understand what you were talking about. So I apologize for wanting to revisit it.

To me, it was interesting because I did, I'm not a big Reddit guy, but I found a great Reddit thread that was a bunch of people being like, this movie feels like the subreddit. like atheists, like atheism. Like it's like it feels a little bit like somebody who like read the new atheists, you know, Sam Harris or, you know, Christopher Hitchens or whatever it might be and then like wrote a screenplay about how excited they were. And I don't mean that as an insult necessarily, even though a lot of those new atheists have turned out to be, you know, not, not cool guys. But it's like a, I thought that it was an interesting and fun movie to watch.

I thought that the way that they like, you know, two Mormons knock on the door. Let's talk about religion. Like I was like, okay. You know, I, and then, yeah, I don't know if I thought it was like the best movie ever seen. But, and it did feel like a little. Great plain movie, though. It's a great plain movie.

Fantastic plain movie. It is not a bad movie. I really, I did really enjoy the performances. I certainly, I feel like would have probably changed at least eight to 10 things. specifically about the end. Yeah, a lot of people said the first half is great. It's great. The second half is fine.

I think like I just feel that it, it's certainly not bad. It wasn't like I watch it. It was like, oh, I'd rather be puking on myself. Like I enjoyed it. Yeah, yeah. But I know I'm never going to watch it again. You know what I mean?

That's how I feel. And also, it wasn't like mind opening for me in terms of how he talks about religion. But I could imagine that maybe for some people it would be if you haven't explored that, you know, the atheism philosophy or whatever, but it did feel like just like, I've talked to this man before. You know, he wasn't like this. But I've talked to this man in a bar about Sam Harris. It is why it's also interesting, I think, in the world of where we're talking about masculinity today.

I do find that very interesting where it is like, oh, I remember making the joke of like, oh, good. I love a movie where just a white dude is just telling me how I'm supposed to feel. It's like they're already fucking nuns. Like we just got like, I don't, I have it in my every day. Yes, yeah. I don't need it in the movie. I did feel like that. A little bit.

Like, I know this man. Yes. I'm escaping. I have escaped conversations with this man before. Yes, but that's why. You're locked in the house. Exactly. But that's why I feel like it makes that, does make it a good movie because like, I feel like

we're aware that this person exists. And unfortunately, especially if you work the customer service, I feel like I've been trapped with that dude at a counter while I'm just like, yeah. just trying to make lotteers, just trying to fucking get through. And then they come around the espresso machine so they can talk to you while you're making the dream. And I'm just like, yep, I'm so glad you're proselytizing your ideas about religion at me while I am just hung over at work.

Thank you so much. Ooh, I was hoping this was going to happen today. So I think that's also why I was weirdly triggered. No, I, that is extremely it. You're just like, oh, I've just, we've all had a conversation with this man. Yes. And then it just takes you to a place you weren't expecting necessarily. But I'm saying this because it is extremely everywhere right now because I think it just hits streaming.

So if like if you're on a plane, they're going to be trying to make you watch. Watch heretic. If you're if you log into Prime or whatever it's on, it is ever. I just kept seeing that picture of Hugh Grant. And so I was like, okay, Hugh Grant, I'll watch it. And yeah, it's fine. I mean, he is, you know, creepy, sexy in it. Very.

Oh, yeah. Unfortunately, I. I will do it with Daddy Hugh Grant. Especially because you know that we love someone who's a thousand percent an asshole. Everything anybody says about Hugh Grant is that he is just openly a curmudgeon. He is never having a good time and he always wants everybody to know how pissed off he is. Which kind of allures me. Because then it's like, you know, I know we got to get out of here, but that Mariah Carey reaction shot, everybody look up.

Mooney Long performed We Belonged together at the I Heart Radio Music Awards and there is just this moment that she starts to sing and then it cuts back over to Mariah Carey

and she gives the bitchiest fucking face because she starts the song and you can tell it reads all over her face of like oh is this how she's gonna sing

my fucking song oh okay oh is it is she's supposed to sound like me right now and she made that face and I love a beautiful

a beautiful snapshot of just a perfect bitch. Mariah Carey is the most memeable bitch in history. She's just like every facial expression speaks volumes. I can't, nothing, if you, it's truly worth a watch if you have not, if you have not seen this. Like it is just, she just, it's side eye. It's like she brings side eye to life in a way that you didn't even know it was possible. No.

And for this performer who's doing a lovely job, you know. And Mariah Carey is just like this bitch. It is absolutely. It's on par with the I don't know her meme. It really, as someone else with a fellow resting bitch face, I love when a person with resting bitch face intentionally tries to look like a fucking bitch. And then they could just, oh, man, when I want to look bitchy, oh, I can give bitch real hard. Oh, no.

There's resting bitch face and then there's activate bitch face. Oh, and you better run. And we all should learn from Mariah Carey this week. And maybe from me this year, 25% more of a bitch. Highly recommend adding it into your life. It just, you know, it just adds a little bit of pebble that you didn't know you were wanted. Any other things you want to talk about, MJ? One last thing that you should look up, which is not new, but it just was re-shared on ESPN last week.

And this is why I'm talking about it. If you have not looked up disco foot, it is a combination between ballet and soccer. And if you need a smile like we all desperately do, please look up DiscoFoot. Again, ESPN just shared this video. And it is, it's like a, it's like a, I don't know how to explain it. It's like a dream that only Jackie's words could conjure coming to life. Everyone is dancing, stretching, vogueing. This is how Google describes it.

Disco Foot is an ass kicking, DJ spinning, maybe even twerking, freestyling back. where football's rules are twisted and thrashed by dance. It's dance plus soccer and it's everything that you've ever dreamed. Does make me want to punch. Like that does, like I feel like I just, the bully in me talk about 25% more pitch was just ignited within me. Are you looking at the video though? Well, the video you sent does not exist anymore, so I'm watching other videos.

It's all disco foot. It's all disco foot. It's just dancing on the soccer field. But you know how I feel about FlashMod. And in my brain, this is just, you're wrong about this. This is seeming, this is given flash mob. It's given soccer flash mob. And I don't know if I'm here for it, MJ.

Wow, I can't believe we're ending in a fight. We are ending in a fight because I'm looking at this disco foot and I want to be like, just play the game. Are we here to watch a game? It doesn't seem like you're putting the ball in the net very often. I know that's not all of what soccer's supposed to. to be, but I'm pretty sure you're supposed to do a lot more running

and a lot less disco theme. Wow, see, I just watch it and I smile and I clap like a little three-year-old and I love it. So, you love you. I love you so much. Are you a Jackie? Listeners, you let us know. Everyone look up disco, but let us know. Hit us up, page 7

podcast at gmail.com. You can come over right on our Patreon wall. Let us know how you feel. Are you an MJ? Are you a Jackie? No judgment either way. Because honestly, if you're an MJ, that means you have hope and smiles in your heart, and that's a really wonderful place to live.

Or you live in the depths of hell where all the other monster fuckers are. Then we're just like, keep running. I thought soccer was about running. So it just really depends on how you identify this week, and that's okay. It can change from week to week.

Thank you, everybody, for joining us for this week's episode of Second Helpman's, I hope you're full up. I hope you're like, oh, don't give me another bite. Or I might make right here on my chair. Oh, my God. Wow.

So I hope that for you. I haven't brought in make in a while. I forgot about that. I've been dreaming to make. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let us know how you feel. Let us know what you're watching.

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