Page 7 - Second Helpings - Uterus Farm

Episode Date: June 19, 2026

This week on Second Helpings, Jackie's been in an OLD Olivia hole, MJ WONT be live updating from the Knicks parade, but they did witness the parade turn to cheer on the sanitation workers! MJ's textin' their brother to see if he'll join 'em for Riot Fest 2026, Lil Nas X has come out and given an update about his mental health and bipolar diagnosis, and Lola Young has returned after her departure! "The Ring" and "Lilo and Stitch" actress Daveigh Chase sadly passed away this week, and an Executive Producer of "Love Island" died in Fiji so they gave him the kindasexy tribute at the end of an episode only "Love Island" can. MJ finished "Widow's Bay", and they are both thinkin', NO ISLANDS! Brooklyn Beckham is the goss' of the week as the Beckham's seem to be fighting through Doordash ads, Olivia Rodrigo and other artists let errrrybody know about those shitters who diaper up and plant themselves at the barrier, and how EVEN THE ARTIST CAN SMELL THEM. MJ lets everyone know they DIDN'T shit at the Bright Eyes concert, and Elvis Costello said to stop bein' mean to Olivia Rodrigo! In talkin' tv talk MJ watched an UPSETTING true crime doc, and Jackie's got some personal quibbles with "Disclosure Day", Spencer Pratt will NOT go silently, plus Jackie finished "Spider Noir", and even more on this week's Second Helpings! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Yeah, because you betrayed me. And I know that you never feel sorry. I've been in an Olivia hole. And that's an old Olivia hole. Old Olivia is just so good. I said to Jackie right before we started recording that. Oh, yeah, she got sent to M. Knight Shyamalan's movie Old. She is now filled with child and 80 years old.

Gray. Gray. No, she's not old. But I'm talking about that album. Every time I go to listen to New Olivia, I have a problem where I think, you know what I really want is old Olivia. And then I just listen to that album again. This is why I implore you. I started this, you know, MJ and I were talking before the show and it may as well start recording it because I was listening to the new Olivia Rodriguez album this morning.

And at first, when I first heard the first single, Drop Dead, I kind of for a minute, and I'm going to say it, I thought it was Chapel's reheated nachos. because now Olivia's working with Chapel's music people. But you know what? I was a liar. I was lying to myself, MJ. And now I've listened to the single many times in the last week because it's the beauty of ADHD. I love it. And I love, I'm really digging the album because I feel like it is a mixture.

Like her first album, Sad Girl, second album, more punk, angry girl. Loved both of it. And now this is kind of a. hybrid of the two. Oh, I love to be sad and punk. And also, MJ, like I was even listening to this song, I think it's called Stupid song. And it's like about being sad in New York too, which I love to be sad in New York. Oh my God. I love being sad in New York. It's a great city to be sad. New York, I love you and I'm bringing me down. That's why it's so weird that everyone's happy in New York right now. It's, we're usually sad. We're usually sad. So just, so maybe this isn't the weak, MJ, since you're sitting here, wearing

your Knicks shirt. I sure. And I know it's your Knicks Parade Day. And I know, so it's like, I don't, so today's not a day for Sad New York. But maybe next week, when we're all ready to be back to having New York be sad, you can put on the new Olivia album. Okay. All right. That sounds good. Two things. I remind me to come back to Sad and Punk because I do have something else I want to talk with you about, but also. Oh, is it machine gun, Kelly? No, it's less timely than that. Oh, okay. But I just want to shout out my, I'm not going to be live updating from the Nix parade that is going on right now. But I just want to shout out when I try to explain about why sometimes you just, you know, feel this overwhelming love for New York. There was a moment in the Nix parade just a few minutes ago where a bunch of sanitation workers were there doing their sanitation work.

And the crowd just started chanting, sanitation. Clap, clap, wow, wow, wow. Yes. Oh, yeah. And I just think that's great because. Oh, that is great. great. If there's one thing that everyone can agree on in New York, it's that we love sanitation workers. They are the angels. I mean, they, obviously, the age, especially in New York, I mean, with what they have to deal with.

Not that what they have to deal with and anywhere is not absolutely ridiculous. But no, I think that honestly, we should be shouting out the sanitation workers pretty much every day. Yeah. Yeah. Because where would we be without them? Yeah. Yeah. They have a lot of, you know, I mean, watch one episode of Law and Order and you'll see what they're dealing. with. But then also, my other thing, speaking of sad and punk, is that... Law and Order is their only representation. But Law and Orders, really shouting them out. There's a body in there. Okay, September of 26, so it hasn't happened yet. The future. Okay, wait, what's happening in the future. Riot Fest, 2026. I've already texted my brother to see if you will come. Sad and Punk. We've got, okay, buckle up. We've got bright eyes. We've got Alkaline Trio.

We've got less than Jake. We've got social distortion. We've got suicide machines tool. Morrissey. Don't care about that. Alanas Morissette and Elvis Costello, should I have said them first? Yes, I should have, but I didn't. So I just want to, you know, every so often we'll see the poster for a festival and we say that band still exists.

And there's a lot of that going on on here. The sex pistols didn't know any of them. We're still alive. But I'm so happy to see that they are. Guar will be there. I love you didn't bring up Iggy Pop or the Pixies. I didn't say. I love this. I love you. You sailed right past Iggy Pop and the Pixies to say Alkaline Trio. I love that you did. You chose not to say their names. I haven't even mentioned Patty Smith because the first words I saw were Alkaline Trio, okay? And the next words I saw were bright ends. Taking back Sunday, you're Barry in the lead. I haven't mentioned bowling for soup will be there. That's okay. That could be further down on the list. In St.

Mom Pussy, what are you doing there? Oh, I didn't know ICP was allowed out. I thought that they were kept in their cage until they had the gathering every year. I thought it was like a Madonna or a Mariah situation. Yeah, yeah. Like I thought that they were like a self-contained

unit that never interacted with other systems. Whoa. So anyway, I'll be there. That's where I'll be. September. Google Bordello? Dude, this is. going to be an insane. You have to go to this. It's in Chicago. It's in Chicago. My two,

my brother and our two high school best friends who are like the sad punk, you know, brothers, you know. Guar's going to be there too. Dude, this line of is. I love Guar. I love Guar. What's war doing there? I don't know. You have to go to this. I miss the whole second section of the bright eyes. I know. I know. If I had seen Digital Ash live, then I wouldn't need to go to Riot Fest, 2026. but I do need to go now. Yes. I don't think I've...

Have you explained this to your husband? Have you said, excuse me, your partner turned 40 this year and just graduated from grad school. Hint, hint, hint. No, like to make him do it. Make him do it.

Make him do it. Make him do it. Make him put it all together. He should put... I'm putting this in your brain right now. Giddy needs to put this whole thing together for you and your brother to go to riot fest. Okay, well, I'm...

I'm gonna, you know, I was going to say, have you ever met anyone with ADHD? But you know yourself. I'm me. I am me. If I put that task at my husband. Post-it notes. MJ, post-it notes.

You put it in places that I live my life. I live and die by the post-it notes. I live and die by the amount of, I mean, sure, I may have many note pads that I write things down on. And then I look at it weeks later and go, oh, my God, why did I just write it down on here? Right. So I do write everything on the long list because I have forever anxiety. issues. I have a forever to-do list. Yeah. And so any

little thing like that gets added to the to-do list so I see it almost every day and I can chastise myself for not being able to get to it. Yeah. Yeah. Is that what I'm supposed to do? I don't know. Is that? How are you supposed to live? I

it sounds, we've been discussing neurodiversity a lot in my house and I always feel kind of, whatever I say I'm neurotypical, I feel like it's a joke but I do think I am. I'm not laughing at you because you're neurotypical. I just, I think the idea of laughing at yourself at the idea of maybe you might be neurotypical is pretty funny.

Like, I am not typical. Okay, sure. But I don't, as far as I know, have any other, like neurodivergence diagnosis. But everything you described, you know, certainly I am crippled by anxiety every second of every minute of every day. and I do have many notes and many different systems for remembering all the important things. And then you forget, I've got four different calendars. And do I coordinate the four? Absolutely not.

No, of course I know you have to click. No, you make it real difficult. You like to make you, I really like to struggle through the organization project of my schedule. Yeah. Oh, yeah, I blew through a doctor's appointment this week. I got a notice, here's what you owe us for your doctor's appointment? And I said, what doctor's appointment? And I'm not even going to find, I'm not going to speak to them about it.

I'm just going to keep it moving. I'm not going to keep on moving. I'm going to pay them for that appointment I didn't go to. No doctors are going to keep you down. No, no, no. Oh, no. We got to keep on moving. And how often do I still, that's a man, that's a forever stem for me of got to keep on moving?

And I say that, I think, 30 times a week. But that's okay. It's the beauty of being neurodivergent. In fact, speaking of, can we just say over on Jackin, Holden and I bring up what's going on with Lil Nas X. We've been thinking about him ever since he was hospitalized. I know we talked about it on the show. We talked about Little Nas X, which, and not even very far from where I'm sitting right now, had a complete, I can't.

I guess I guess not to use the phrase psychotic break, but like I know that there was some sort of schism in his reality. Yeah. And an episode where he was not connected to. to the reality that we're currently living in. Yes. I only say, I can't say psychotic episode because I'm not sure of what was going on.

Right. But he is now, Lil Nasex has come out and given an update on his mental health. And this also comes hand in hand with like how much I love Lola Young. And I really loved Lola Young's second album last year.

And we've talked about her on here before too. And she also had a bit of a public breakdown and ended up like leaving in the middle of a show and just essentially saying, I need to go take some time for me. And now she's back. And she has. And it seems a Lil Nas X in his time away.

And I am very proud of him for sharing this diagnosis. He has now been diagnosis bipolar and is like it is very funny that, he said that I, what is the phrase? Oh yeah. He said, I'm already black and gay. Black and gay. Like damn God. Like I'm living on living life on extreme hard mode.

this video is so sweet I'm so happy for him that he has figured out what he said he has a therapist he has a psychiatrist that sounds like he's properly medicated I'm so and not that like we have to have the update

I understand like I know that as the public we don't deserve any of this but I appreciate it as someone that is bipolar that is also obviously not in the same way but I mean you can listen to

many many years of round table where I am completely unmedicated and you can hear that there. And I appreciate it as someone that openly discusses my bipolar diagnosis. I appreciate that he is not only speaking about it, but saying like, I'm proud of myself. I'm proud of myself for going and getting the help that I needed. I'm proud of myself. And like, no matter what I'm diagnosed as I'm, I'm proud of myself. And that he's doing this work. He's doing better because he found out. He even says in the video, I didn't want to, I didn't want to know. Like I thought, he basically says, like, I suspected that I may have been bipolar for a long time, but I didn't want to know and I didn't want to find out. And he said, because I didn't

want to take medication. And then, you know, he says, I already have already black and gay. These things are already so hard. Do I really want to know that I'm bipolar? But then, yeah, to see him be like, now I am, because I have sought help, including pharmacological help and, you know, therapeutic health, like, this is something I talk about all the time is like when people are struggling. Like, there's very rarely going to be only one intervention that's going to work. You're probably going to need multiple interventions. And so, like, for him to be like, to talk directly about, like, I am medicated and I am in therapy is just, it's so moving. I'm so, I love him so much. I was, I know. I was thinking about, yeah, like when his album came out, when, you know, Holden was still on the show,

and we were all just like, oh, my God, he's incredible. And he's so young. I also, you know, this is a conversation, a whole other conversation, but like I, I, obviously on the show, we talk a lot about, like, child stars. I was thinking about this because of the tragic, um, death of this child star, DeVe Chase that just happened this week. But like, also, I think the, like, even with not child star, I mean, he was very young. He was like 19. He was young. When Old Town Road came out. But like, I, I think in addition to whatever mental health, uh, you know, diagnoses and or neurodivergence, you know, you might have like the, I think just so much because of doing the show about the trauma of being famous and the trauma for him of being

coming out. Yes. You know, of being scrutinized that way of like he says, being black and gay and young and famous. And also understanding and accepting a new diagnosis. Yeah. And that then, I mean, now dealing with this other side of it as well, that's got to be so. so scary to navigate. It's already such a vulnerable, scary time to work through for yourself, but I'm happy that he was able to go take the time that he needed. Unfortunately, that he was kind of forced to,

but I'm happy that he did. Yeah. And it seems like it was, it's working. And I think that's one thing that is different now, I hope, in 2026 than when like something like this, I feel like when if famous, people would have, yeah, like episodes or breakdowns or whatever language, whatever language we want to use for something like this. When we were growing up, it was like they would become a punchline and that was it.

You know, if they come back, then it's just like you have this punchline. Sometimes depending on, you know, your various intersections of privilege, you might be able to have something like that and come back from it and have it be fine. Other times, it's just like, oh, look at that, look at that crazy person. And I'm like, I do really like that Lil Mazax was able to have this, yeah, unfortunately, very public, you know, episode of, of, you know, struggling, but then come back and, you know, in his own words and on his own account, be like, this is what happened and here's where I am now, you know. Because Montero is such a good album. It's such a good album. It's such a good album. I want to listen to that album and all the Levera Rodrigo as soon as we're done recording.

It's just funny because really that's what I want. Just that song, I added to almost every single one of my play. So just that song alone, and every time it plays, I play it again because the song is so good and it's too short. And every time I listen to that song, I play it again. Yeah. Oh, God. That's such a good song. It makes it feel so great.

But also, it is a whole great album. And I wish him the best. Yes. I just want him to, I'm just happy that he's getting the help. that he needs. God bless. God bless, little Nazex,

but you know who we don't bless? Can I get a kiss? Okay, you can I get a kiss? Can I get a kiss? Can I get a kiss? We can talk about the Love Island people. MJ, Can I get a kiss?

I forgot about the older kiss. MJ, can I get a kiss? I, sorry, I have to bring up Corbin on Love Island. Okay. I have to bring up this man. Can I get a kiss? Can I get a kiss?

to kiss. Jackie sent me this montage of this man saying, can I get a kiss? Because I am sending you a lot of Nix videos. You're sending you a lot of Nix videos. And I'm looking at the Nix videos. I like the playing sports, like the young person

singing about sports and how we don't understand sports. Doing a mashup of I have been changed for good with bringing that into a song about how they didn't care about sports until last week and now they're obsessed with sports. Yeah, that is my life. That is your life.

currently wearing a Knicks shirt. I do, it's crisp, too. You know this is a brand new Nick's shirt. It's the championship shirt. I just happened. Did you get a knockoff? Well, oh yeah, I'm not going to give my money

to, you know, James Dolan. But it just happened that on Saturday night, the night they won, I was a little bit north of the city. So then we had to take Jersey Transit back. And we had just happened to get out at Penn Station, which also happens to be next to Madison Square Garden. Oh, God. And this made you like the Knicks?

Like I feel like that would be the opposite. I'd be like, never mind. Nobody hate their happiness. No, this is why I can't get over. Taylor Swift getting married at MSG. I'm just like, it's not an area of the city that you want to spend time. But it just so happened that Sunday morning after they won the championship, being outside of Madison Square Garden, I was able to get a championship shirt from a guy who was also

selling Puerto Rican Day Parade paraphernalia because it was the Puerto Rican Day Parade. It's a one-stop shop. It's a one-stop shop. And I didn't need any Puerto Rican flags. If I did, I would have been a one-stop shop. But I was able to get a $20 next championship shirt from that guy. So thank you, that guy. You look great.

It really does. I think that this, I think that basketball is really bringing out the blue of your eyes. And I don't even know how it is. I'm really committed to being a sports guy now because we have very few organizing principles in this country. Religion is one of them and sports is one of them. And I'm not going to choose religion, you know. Until dancing with the stars is on. Until he's going to

I mean, Love Island is also currently happening. And you're worshipping at the altar of Love Island and Corbin is the man who keeps in, Can I get a kiss? Can I get a kiss?

Can I get a kiss? And it was so funny because then even in the montage, he goes, gonna get a kiss. And she goes, no, no. You're going to all the other girls and going, all the other girls

and you're asking for a kiss. He goes, no. And then it cuts to immediately can I get a kiss to another girl. It's the funniest edit because he really just, keeps using, I think that the internet is calling him Corbyn,

like chat GBT, which doesn't really like roll off the tongue, but he really just kept saying the same thing over and over again. And now he's really, I tell you, he's bombshell in the way he's supposed to bombshell. But you're really watching, man, also really weird, can I just throw this out there? One of, I believe, it was one of the executive producers of Love Island in Fiji died. Yeah, I saw this. I was going to ask you about this. Poor guy.

But they haven't put out what happened, which, again, I know it's really none of our business, but I am so curious. But then at the end of like two nights ago's Love Island, they put on like a sexy song of like a, like, it was a, it felt like a song that they just had in their transition, you know, Rolodex. And they put up pictures of him.

That was the end of the episode. And it was just like, oh, wow. Oh, looking in slide, looking in glide, but not to heaven. And then it just said, we love you at the end. And I was just like, why did they do this on Love Island? Like, I guess they could not say anything, but also, I mean, like, it would have just been better to not say anything. I think having a tribute is good, but using the Love Island music, for the tribute is very, very funny.

And I have been laughing. I have to send you this video. It was too sincere and Melanie, of course, we're getting into a fight. And the interstitial song was, we're bumper cars crashing into each other. We're bumper cars. And we're bumper cars is the stupidest. Wow.

So I feel like they have a spin of the wheel and they throw like a dark. laced with some kind of poison at it to see what weird thing that they're going to use in the transition music. And I just, you know I've been obsessed with the stupid music on these reality shows for a long time. You're very good at imitating the love is blind transition music. Love is a gift. Yeah. And I feel that right now I am working on a project where I'm trying to write my own. and I think it might be one of the funniest things I've ever done. Like, I think it's so funny. Look at her walking away.

Is she going to look back? No, she is not. It'll be like a breakup scene. And then the song will be like, I'm not sure if we're getting back together. You know, like, it's like, it's just so fun. And if I die, you can set a memorial of, like, you can set photos of me to that music. You have it. Oh, I can make my own.

I could do my own like Charlie Day wanted dead or alive, but I can do my own version of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Use like the worst reality show transition music and the best pictures of me. That's what I ask. You got it because it really, they spend their time on Love Island. It's either the hottest needle drops of what every like hits and what everybody knows or were bumper cars.

There's no in between. Yeah. I know that they don't. But in my brain, because we know that Love Island is shot, right? And then during the night, the editors edit it, the writers write the jokes for the VO. The VO is done. And then the episode is put out the next day. In my brain, there is also a room where the interstitial band is.

And as they're watching it, they're making up the music. Because I, in my, oh, I have my, if I had my druthers, I'd have a live show that we could actually do this because that is so funny to me. Describing what is happening on the screen via the song is just so funny. Well, also, I have been thinking so much about islands because of Widows Bay. And I, I'm an, I'm an island boy. Yes, I am. Did you finish it? Yes, I did. Yes, I did. It's so good. It is so good. Widows Bay is so good. And I've never, I didn't. I've identified as somebody who's scared of islands before. I said the same thing, MJ.

Literally, we finished it last night. And I was like, I looked at Jeff and I was like, I'm going to say it. And I never thought that I ever would think this. I never want to live on an island. Yeah. Ever. I don't want to live on an island. I know.

Widows Bay. Until Widows Bay. But here's the thing. I know that most islands have a robust infrastructure on the island and they aren't haunted, you know. So, like, I think many islands, you're not going to have the thing where you're like, I'm trapped on an island and there's no help. say this, but MJ, not to bring this up. However, as a Floridian, as a, as a hurricane gal over here, I need to bring up like even the Keys. Yeah. Florida Keys. That's one road. Yeah. That's one road,

bitch. Yeah. So if anything happens, right? You out there. Yeah. There's no getting off of any of the, and usually if there's a hurricane coming, it is just straight traffic on that one road to get out of all of the islands. So it's like, and they're just out there. They're begging for it. Honestly, it's like, it's like these young girls out here. They're just begging for it from the way and they're dressed these islands. And you know I want to have a second life in the Florida Keys, Jackie. I know, dude. And so this is really, this is a big realization for you. It is. But, and I was thinking about this, obviously, I'm not, it would be in poor taste to to discuss however the guy from Love Island died. But what I was thinking about is because reality

shows are also their own self-contained universe. Again, I'm sure Fiji has fine infrastructure if you need help, but I feel like the own, the self-contained, like the production is an island, and then you're on an island. And I don't know, it just feels like when I saw that story, I was just like, I wonder to what extent the self-contained, like, yeah, the island-like nature of a production like that where you're like, everything stays here. We are a self-contained unit. We do not leave this production. Like, how difficult that must be in a time of actual crisis. But again, it is because I'm thinking about Widows Bay every minute of every day. And I want it back. Why is it over? I want it back. I'm so upset that it's over. Matthew

Regis is so good in the show. I know. He got like talk about, we were, Jeff and I got into a great conversation talking about shows and stories that are about cowards and how they deal with it. And because I love the character of Matthew Reese and how, like, how the character shifts and grows. But then also, it's so funny because it does get, it ramps up and it gets, the story is great. It gets, it's like, it's genuinely scary throughout. But then Matthew Reese is just putting on this insane performance. Like, it's just, he's so funny. He's so, like, and he's never going to get any accolades for the show.

They're all so funny. Even last episode, stakes are so hard. high and I'm still laughing. Oh yeah. Gidey said the same thing as we were watching last night. He was like, when the old lady runs sprightly up the stairs and you know exactly when they like showed how robust her schedule was, it's so funny.

It's like truly a excellent comedy and very scary, an incredibly difficult thing to pull off. And yeah, the season finale absolutely nailed the dismount. Do you think there will be a season two? There's got to be it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. I just don't know. Oh, yeah. I don't know. I, you know, anytime something with great writers and great people is made, I worry that there's not enough, you know, uh, incentive. It's already renewed. Good. It's already renewed.

Praise. Jesus. You, you, you, you. It's so good. I'm, I'm, I'm sad that it's over. Yeah. It's, I, I, I mean, don't worry, guys. I've still got the villa, but I'm really sad that this really good show is done.

Okay, but I would love to talk about a really bad person, and his name is Brooklyn Beckham. Oh, my God. And what he's doing to the family? He, so earlier this week. I heard a lot of talk about this, by the way, about what he's really doing. Yeah, there's a lot. It's in the, it's, it's, it's, this is basically the goss of the week, right? So earlier this week, uh, they were in the news. The Beckham's were in the news because David Beckham got his star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. And Tom Cruise. And Tom Cruise was there. And Jackie said this seems like a truly evil alliance. Like, uh, and I've never really had anything against David Beckham. And in fact, in the Brooklyn Beckham versus David Beckham fight, I think I'm team David Beckham. But still, everything I've learned, I mean, I know that they're like kind of like, like, like not MAGA. Like I know that they like have Democratic fundraisers and stuff. So in the,

and that that Brooklyn Beckham's new wife like is Mack. So that, of course, that also puts us on team, team Beckham parents. But also everything else we've learned about them is just like, you know, it's just like the grossness of the obscenely rich. But then also this week, Brooklyn Beckham put out a DoorDash ad for the World Cup. And the whole ad is just him like, she's just like, I'll bet you want to know why I'm not at the soccer games myself. No. But you know. And then he gives his tickets to the DoorDash guys.

and gives the DoorDash guys the unpaid labor of going to give them to someone. And I'm just like, the joke of this commercial is that everybody knows you're like in a fight with mommy and daddy. Are you serious? And you got paid a lot of money to do it, MJ. Are you serious? Get a hold of yourself. Have you no shame? This is what we're doing?

There is word on the street. Now, I don't know if this is true that all of the Beckham's are working with DoorDash and that there's also going to be them putting out of us. Oh, Christ. That's even worse. And that they are fighting through the door dash at, like, that's what I'm hearing. But I also don't know if that's definitely going to be happening. And all of that annoys the fuck at it. Like that is such a, like, rich person's like, oh, I know what I'm going to do.

I'm going to get to the papers. And the papers are going to tell the daddy what I think of the daddy. You know, it's like we, no one gives a fuck about you, Brooklyn Beckham. Yeah. But I guess we do because then they're like. Put the door dashed. But that's, yeah, I mean, if that ends up being true, and they're all in cahoots to just exploit their, like, family schism to make money,

yeah, that is super annoying. But, like, David Beckham got his star, and Brooklyn Beckham lives 20 minutes away and didn't come. So it does seem that they're still fighting. And it was, was it the sister? He took off the tattoos that reminded him of mumsy and dadsy. Yeah. And, Jay, he took the tattoos off. And then there was another story that this week, I don't know,

which sibling it was. One of the siblings like went to him and was like, let's reconcile with mommy and daddy and it didn't work. And, you know, I, I know that this is like squeezing blood from a stone of like, it started off as kind of fun goss. And now I'm just like, Beckham's get out of here. But I think that they just remind me so much. And I know that maybe, I know it's not just the British about them, but it just gives me monarchy so hard. I see like, because we know that they are like in the like in with all of them her especially i think victoria right like she's just we know that she's like you know posh like old old but also he's football you know it's like he's you know so i feel like that's also something that is that and and also very very

rich and they are very powerful and that's why i think it's evil that they're hanging out with tom cruise more yeah i think that it's like you know i was just watching an interview i think it was alpacino that was talking about not having a star on the walk of fame. And essentially he was just like, like they got to make me want to, they have, I got to set it up. I'm not going to set it up. I got to pay for it.

I'm pay for it. It's like that kind of thing where it was. So he's like, I'm Al Pacino. And he is, he's Al Pacino. He doesn't fucking need a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. If he doesn't want one, he doesn't care. You have to organize it yourself? You have to, you have to pay for it.

You have to, all of your representation has to organize it. Oh, yeah. No, this is only, yeah, it's, they have to pay thousands of dollars for it. Like, it is, you have to be asked to do it. Like, Al Pacino has been asked many times, but you have to accept and then pay, honestly, I know that, like, no one ever wants to hear the rhetoric of it's really expensive to be a celebrity, but, like, it is. Like, everything, most, everything they have to do, they have to pay to be a part of.

Like, obviously, they get a bunch of shit for free as well. they get many, many, many, many things for free. But oftentimes there's also this expectation of like, yeah, you're going to and you're going to pay for it. And that's got to be annoying, especially if you're not a David Beckham. You know, like I'm talking like in the, like most everybody else. Right. That's going to be like, oh, man, I can't do that.

Don't do that. That is very funny that Al Pacino was just like, I don't have the energy to finish this process. Oh, I'm a don't conchino. What are you talking about? Give me another Jack and Jill. I don't care about the Hollywood Walk of Fame. I think about, oh man, I think about that Dunkerino all the time.

Do you? I haven't thought about Dunkin'Chino in a while, but I'm glad you brought it up. In fact, I think it's Patty LaPelle, like one of my favorite designers recently put out a throw, like a tapestry with a picture of Al Pacino in the Dunkacino commercial. And I was like, I don't need a quilt because my mom's a quilt maker, so it's kind of like the last thing that I need. But that now, that's a centerpiece of a home right there. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's, did you see the thing I sent you that a listener sent me? Thank you, listener.

They said, I think the caption was, what do you get the gay who has everything? And it is somebody gifted their friend a framed photo of the photo that Sarah, that, um, that, um, Sarah Jessica Parker's character gives to Diane Keaton's character in Family Stone of her pregnant with Amy S. It's you. It's you, kid. With Rachel, yeah, Rachel McAdams. I always mix up Amy Adams and Rachel McAdams.

I'm sorry. We understand. I know there are different people. Yes, that picture of fictional Diane Keaton pregnant with fictional Rachel McAdams. And the president is just that in a frame. And that's such a good gift. That's such a good gift because it. If you know, you know.

If you know, you know. Because you imagine me. Like, you're like, that's me, kid. It's my mom. Like when my mom comes to visit. My mom. Although my mom would immediately get what it's from because we have both watched Family Stone many times, although couldn't watch it last year.

But maybe this year will be able to bring it back, but I certainly couldn't watch it last year. Yeah. I don't know if this year. I think this year might be too soon as well. It might also be too soon. Not because of the death of Diet of Keaton, but because of your own family's loss. Yeah, but all of it

Honestly, no, my, I'm saying this Because of Diane Keith is definitely No, not because of my own one No, no, my dad wouldn't give a fuck No, that doesn't make you think of him It's a holiday about the fear of losing a family member I guess, but it's more, I think I more Zero the Drain of wanting to fuck Craig T. Nelson so bad

Like honestly, I want to bang almost every single person in the family stone Yeah, actually, I think I want to bang all of them Man, Claire Danes, Oh, yeah. Whoa, whoa! Whoa! Whoa! And just, yeah, all of them. Ranger McAdams.

I wanted to beer, wanted to fucker, you know, the beautiful bisexual's dream. And it's just, I love the family. God, I just want to go home and watch the Family Stone just because now. Maybe it's Christmas in June for you and you watch it now because you couldn't this. I really thought when you said, I can't do Family Stone this year. I really thought it was because you had just lost your father. No, I wasn't because of dying. No.

No. Because I couldn't think about. a holiday with a recent loss. If I could think about her, I love Diane Keaton so much. Yeah. She's such a classy woman. She is.

She is. She is. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, you're right. You're right. Man, you know what's not classy, though? I know we were talking about Olivia Rodrigo earlier.

I just saw this headline this morning and I needed to share it. Olivia, no, that's wrong, Olivia. Olivia, people are so genuinely disgusted by Olivia Rodriguez's revelation that artists can smell fans who wear diapers to secure a front row spot at shows. And I just wanted to share that because that is foul. And I think it takes more than one full dipey to probably be able to smell that from the stage. Wait, Olivia Rodriguez said that she can smell the diapers? Yes. And said that she's not alone in smelling the diapers.

because they don't want to lose their spot. So they strap on diapers. I didn't realize people do this for concerts, because I know you do it for like New Year's Eve and stuff like that. And also, if the Nix parade, a lot of people were saying where, oh, their diaper up? Yeah, because there's no, once you're in, you can't leave. And so.

Could MJ, genuinely, you're at the Nix parade. You've got to make. Are you going to make in your own? Like, I don't know if I could physically stand there talking to you as in real person just being like, I'm making right now. Like, how do you not? Like, it's hard enough for toddlers, you know, like, like young children. Okay.

Would you hide behind something? Yeah, one of the first signs that a kid is ready to potty train is when they become, like, aware of like, oh, it's weird that I'm talking to you while I'm shitting. Let me go. Yeah, let me go somewhere else. Right. Like, that's something that we actively work to not want to do. I could pee in a diaper.

I have thought about this when we used to drive places when my children were very young and had a very hard time in the car. And we live in South Brooklyn and we're usually going upstate. And so there is a, and you know, if you're on the FDR, if you're trying to get out of New York City, you cannot pull over. There's just no, you're going to be in the car. There's no shoulder. So there's no rest stop. You have at least an hour in the car where you cannot stop. and then you, by that time, hopefully the kids fall in the sleep,

and then you want to get as far as you can without stopping. And so I used to consider, should I wear a diaper while I go on a road trip? I get it. With small children. So I think I could be. I don't think I could poop. But honestly, who needs to poop so bad that you're at the Olivia Roder Radio concert and you can't wait? I feel like pooping is usually something, obviously when you got to go, you got to go.

But like, I'm not usually. You got to go, got to go right now. I didn't poop at the bright eyes concert. television. I usually, you can usually take care of these things before you go to a big event. But you won't one to the bright eyes concert? No, I didn't poop at the bright ice concert. I don't, we've all pooped in places we don't want to. I thought you were just confessing that you've been shitting in dipes this entire time and like, every podcast, every, I mean, you never know. I can't think of an event where I was like looking forward to it. I go and I'm there and I'm like, I can't leave, but I need to shit. Again, again, it does happen. We've all, again, not to keep being Mr. New York over here, but I think we've all had the experience.

of being on a long subway ride and being like, uh-oh, I need to get off this train. Where will I go? Yes. And of course, I need you all to know. I am making Jess about people that are choosing to do this. I'm not talking about you. You have something going on where you need to shit in the night. You got a ship at that fucking night.

You should not what I'm talking about. No, I can't imagine that are choosing to do it. You know, and no, don't do that to Olivia Rodriguez. She's right there. I already have a difficult experience, I think, a lot. of us do since quarantine where MJ and I've talked about this many times where we have our emotional support water bottle. I bring my emotional support water bottle everywhere. If I'm thirsty and I and I can't get water like I start to have an anxiety attack. So it is it has gotten to a

level that I just keep water with me wherever I go. So I also imagine maybe like it's an anxiety thing that people are like I'm just so anxious that I'll have to go that I just strap one on me just in case. I that's fine. I just, yes, I just, if I, like, were having, like, an emergency situation and I'm at the front and I'm getting pressed up against people at the front of a concert, I just don't think I could like a horse just let the pellets fly, knowing that I'm, like, pressed up against somebody. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, Olivia's not smelling the people who are wearing, like, a just-in-case anxiety diaper, you know, she's obviously smelling the people who have, who have, who have, who, who, who, are. using it plentifully. Yeah.

I mean, I don't know. Maybe I have like regular bowel privilege and I can rely on it. And I, you know, I know that there are many people with conditions that make it so you don't know when you're going to shit. And I get that. And you can't stop it either. That's also, again, that's why I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about like the two of us. The regular people out here.

That are able, that are, that we are able to do that. Yeah. And I just, I don't like anything enough. I don't, I really don't think there's anything that I would, that I would want to be pressed up against the front in my own make for. If you like it enough, you don't want to be sitting in shit for it. That's the thing. I'm like thinking like, oh, what if I could meet like my favorite, you know, what if I could meet Conoroberson to hang out with him? Would I wear a diaper for that?

I don't want to be wearing a diaper when I meet the love of my life, you know? Like, that's not, that's not going to work. No. Because then you got to go clean up. Like, you got to go like, yeah. And I don't think they have got no totos in those toilets. know what I mean? Like, I don't think there's going to be easy to get in there. God, I'd do anything for a total toilet. Oh, that's big dreams. Yeah. No, I, I mean, I thought you were going to

talk about how Elvis Costello said that Olivia Roder, everyone needs to stop shooting on Olivia Rodriguez, which is also true. There is so much, like, there's so much speculation about the Olivia Rodriguez, Taylor Swift, Rift. Yeah. Yeah, I guess Taylor Rift is what we call it. It is, But we also will never know as the public how much of it is lies and how much of it is actual reality because neither one of them are really speaking towards it. And this all came from the album, like her last album where she openly said that she was inspired by the chords from New Year's Day. I'm going to follow you on New Year's Day. Hold on. You know, it's a great song.

And she openly said that. And so that's why people are like, she's stealing from Taylor. But then in this same conversation, Elvis Costello, like she's also openly said that she was inspired by the chords from Elvis Costello and that Elvis Costello has come out and been like, yeah, that's what musicians do. Yeah, that's a part of writing music is being inspired. And he goes on to like explain all of the music he was inspired by that also got him to

the place that he's at. And like, music is not a standalone. You're not in inside, like, you're not in alone in the world of music. But you never heard other music for it. It's like, in the same way that I used to be scared of watching comedy because I didn't want to accidentally steal somebody else's bit. But you know when it's your bit and when it's not your bit. I love this quote from Costello because it's such a great and concise way of explaining that, like, art is kind of always in dialogue with itself. And obviously, that's not the same. That's not, to say anybody should steal anything, obviously. But what he says when he was asked about this,

did Olivia Rodriguez do plagiarism, you know, with using, you know, a kind of an opening riff that sounded like Costello's song, Pump It Up. And it does, to be fair. It does. I remember when I first heard it, but it got me pumped. Like, gave me the energy like a Pump It Up. And what he says is, this is too silly to talk about.

And he says, this is just a riff. How could I be arrogant enough to sue on the basis of originality when my song is based on subterranean homesick blues. Did Bob Dylan sue me? He teased me about it, but didn't sue. And did Chuck Berry sue Bob? Because his song was too much monkey business. So like I just really like this, you know, again, we talk, I think there's been very, like,

lots of very worthwhile and helpful and good productive conversations about like the ways that, you know, sometimes certain artists will appropriate things from other art forms. it's kind of taking them, seizing them for themselves. Like, I'm thinking about, like, early conversations about Miley, like, younger Miley, and Ariana and, like, you know, the cultural appropriation conversation, I think is a separate one. But I think this thing of being like, if there's, like, if you notice that there, that an artist has done something that sounds similar to my song and especially has said so, like, then I'm not going to sue them. And I love the idea of him being like, Bob Dylan teased me because my song was inspired by Subterranean Home Sick Blues.

and then his song was inspired by, like, I just, I thought that that was such a beautiful explanation. And yes, I know, I feel like if Chaparone has taught us anything and she has taught us many things, it's that a lot of times these like controversies around, especially around female artists, are manufactured. And so I try not to lean too hard into the Olivia and Tayfewd, we both do. But on the other hand, I think materially we have seen that like Olivia used to like get invited to open for Taylor and now doesn't, right? So that's obviously. I mean, she also got much. She also got bigger.

Right. So there's also that as well. So that's why when people are like, it's the Rift. Right. Or did she just surpass being an opener for Taylor Swift? So there's also that conversation. And neither one of them have really spoken towards. I think that it is a lot of conjecture.

Yeah. It's, I'm assuming. Or she just can't say anything about it. It could also be that. Right. Right. Right. Right, right. But I just really, I love her music and I like Olivia Rodriguez a lot and I'm really enjoying the new album.

Yeah, I'm really, I'm so happy that she's got a new album. I'm so happy that we're talking about her. I adore her. So to talk in TV yet, this is going to be a radical change of topics, but I watched an extremely upsetting Netflix documentary that I feel like I need to bring to the table here. Are you in a headspace to be prepared for that? Is it as upsetting as Disclosure Day was, the Spielberg movie? I know you've been one, you've been Jones into talk about Disclosure Day. Do you want to talk about Disclosure Day first, or should I talk about my, I don't have that much to say about my upsetting true crime? I think you should upset me first because the Disclosure Day is not upsetting.

It's more of my, my own quibbles with it. Okay. Well, I like, as I said about yesteryear, oftentimes when I read something by myself or watch something by myself. I don't know exactly what I think of it. And I often really find it helpful to talk about it with other people to like figure out. Like I finished yesterday year and I was like, I'm not sure if I liked that, but I also enjoyed reading it, but also I didn't hate. And then, you know, I heard from a bunch of people about yesterday and like the author's podcast and the same thing when I talked about the McKenzie Shrilla documentary. So I like hearing other people's

takes. That's why I love Jackie's book club every Monday on the Patreon. I mean, we genuinely do talk about the books. Right, right. So this week's like Netflix's True Crime of the Week that everyone was talking about is this what is it called? Maternal instinct. Horrific horrific, horrific documentary. Was the maternal instinct good? Maternal instinct was not good. I imagine it was not good. The maternal instinct was for a woman to

kill a pregnant woman and take the baby. That was the maternal instinct at play. And yeah, I just don't know. I just, again, I'm pregnant. Oh, after faking the pregnancy. She faked a pregnancy. She was with this guy, and she kept telling the guy that she has an inheritance coming, and they're going to be so rich.

Let's buy this property. And then she's like, I'm pregnant. I'm pregnant. And meanwhile, like a bunch of people, including her whole family and all of her friends knew that she had had a hysterectomy. And they were like, you sure? about that and she just kept saying, I'm pregnant, I'm pregnant. And this guy who was kind of like, I think was just kind of like, I don't know, lost,

was like, I don't know, I guess she's pregnant. We haven't slept together the whole time that she was pregnant, but that's just because she said she doesn't feel good. And so she lies for 10 months about the pregnancy and then basically I think realizes, uh-oh, I got a-jig was up after 10 months. So I was like, uh-oh. This would be really pickling in here. Yeah, there's a clock on this.

And so then, yes, she tries to get a baby by killing a pregnant woman and stealing the baby. And not to not to like, you know, pull the crime apart. I guess it just really like that's crazy to me. Wouldn't you want to just take one that's already out? I feel like that's all that's so much extra that you have to do. So many questions, yes. Like just go to the, go to the, you know, not that I'm saying, do this, but I just like, I feel like. You're about to pull a Carlos and Gabrielle from Desper Housewives, season two.

Go to a sketchy lawyer and tell them. you have $25,000, don't get me a baby? What I was going to say was steal one from the NICU. I just, that knows. So I'm not saying to do that. It just feel like that might be an easier process than going through the process of ripping it out of somebody. It's like, that's difficult. I watched this and I like struggled mightily to figure out what like, you know, like after the McKenzie Sherella documentary, I was like, okay, like this, there's, you know, obviously this movie is about a lot of things.

it's about people not recognizing that it was an abusive relationship, in part because the abuse was coming from a girl, but it's also about teenagers making horrifically impulsive, reckless decisions, then fuck up the rest of their lives. On top of this, sorry, just real quick, the woman that killed the woman had been the photographer at her wedding and knew her through that. Yeah, she was a friend. And at the, like during the court, like during the trials was wearing a face covering featuring featuring sunflowers. And apparently the dead woman's favorite flowers were sunflowers. And they were heavily involved in the wedding and in the wedding photography. So people also feel like on top of it, she wasn't even sorry about it. Oh, yeah.

I think, I mean, this is like, I think the, when I come across a true crime where I don't know what the takeaway is. She openly says she did it. She was like, I did this. Oh, she did it. Oh, yeah. She, there was, yeah, the trial was just like, there's not like, I was just wondering, like, is she like, I didn't do that? Like, that was me, this is my baby. Like, I didn't know if there was, like, that level of, right? That's a good question. Like, was she delusion? Yeah, was she at a different reality? No, I think she just did it. But, I mean, she did when she's pulled over by the cops, and she's like, this is my baby. I just had the baby. And then they, like, get a doctor to look at her. And the doctor's like, you didn't just have a baby. But yeah, it's, I, this is one of those ones where

The story is just so awful and it's just the worst. It's just like, oh, this is just the worst thing I could ever imagine happening. And I'm like, what do, like, what, what I was thinking about is like, what does true crime? Like, why am I drawn to true crime that's just like, there's no real like structural lesson that you can learn from this. It's just that this phrase, this bad woman did a horrible thing. I guess one thing that's interesting is that she's obviously a pathological liar. And I think that what's interesting to me is that, society, if it tells us one thing, it's that one way for a woman to receive unconditional love

and adoration is to be pregnant. So it seems like that. It's almost the only reason why, when I really broke it down about like having a baby biologically, and I realized how much of it was like, I just think it would be fun to be treated special because I'm pregnant. Yeah. And that I had to like break it down to that. And I was like, oh my God, Jackie, that's not a reason to have a baby.

And it really, like, that's what came to light. And it's like, that is a crazy thing to admit and to understand about yourself. But I'm glad I figured it out before I did it. And I think if you have somebody who is like desperately, desperately attention seeking, it's like, oh, this is a way I can make my husband stay. This guy stay with me. This is a way that everybody has to be nice to me and give me attention. I get to sit down. Everyone wants to feed me extra.

I get a chair. All the great things I can be saying, I'm eating for two. And like I literally wanted it so I could say I'm eating for two and that it would mean something. Yeah. Yeah. And right now I'm just eating for me and Jeff.

Like that's what I do. When I say we're eating for two, you know. Yeah, I do it for the chair that people will offer me. But yeah, I just, right. I was just like, this is just such a. But then, yeah, sometimes I'm just like, man, you think that you know the awful things people can do. And then you realize you don't. There's always more shocking awful things people can do.

Can we say that some of the crime is definitely naming your child Braxlin and then naming your other child with the spelling Emerson, E-M-E-R-S-Y-N? I think that maybe it has something to do with the name choices. Yeah. Yeah. Brachlan? A lot of choices. A lot of choices happening. I mean, don't be wrong. I love throwing an X in a name. I do. I like it. Yeah. I just, I feel, you know, sometimes the more interesting and unnecessarily spelled the name, I feel like sometimes the more interesting the person. Yeah, yeah. There's definitely, I think, regions of the country. Of needing to be special. Yeah. Yeah.

Like in that way. Yeah, yeah, where you're going to find a lot of names with a lot of extra wise, a lot of extra ends. Of course, you want your child's name to be unique. It's just you're setting them up for no. and ever known how to spell their name for the rest of time. It's really all you're doing. But in places like this where all the names are like Brailin, Laylin, Kaelin, I think that, I don't know, maybe they're just used to that.

But then one other interesting thing from the documentary is that the gynecology clinic who did this woman's hysterectomy, like saw, it's a small town, they like saw on Facebook that she's announcing her pregnancy and they were like, this is a lie. But because of HIPAA, they were like, I don't think we can say she had a hysterectomy. And so they, like, talked to two people from the, one of the doctors and then one of the, like, like, reception workers who, and they were both like, we were like really, we felt like really, we did not know what to do. Like, I guess at that point, maybe they should go to the police be like, what do we do? There's a HIPAA thing, but it's, if we have to violate HIPAA to inform you of, like, a potential, just because someone's lying about them being pregnant, it doesn't mean you assume they're going to go fucking steal a baby out of someone's body. Well, apparently, the doctors could issue a code pink, which is in order to,

with the hospital on alert for a person faking their pregnancy who might be a risk to newborns. Individuals like Simmons-Hancock were not legally allowed to be informed. So it's like things like they're actively trying to change the legislation so that medical professionals can warn women about women faking their pregnancy. But right now they can't. So like they could know that this stuff is going on and they're not able to say anything. So now they're actively trying to change that to be able to warn pregnant women. Wow. That's nuts. That's also, yeah, naively, I'm just like, this happens enough that we have to make a law about it. Yeah, dude. Wow.

It does. Yeah, I guess it does. I mean, Beyonce uterus farm, remember? Uteris farm. And, man, when from going from a joke to now we all kind of think it might be real? And that's the craziest shit, dude. Oh, yeah. I miss the days when we would read like a weird blind item about Jay-Z and Beyonce, be like, no way they're involved in anything shady. No way. No, I, you know, I think they might, man, they might. Uterus farm.

My kids recently asked me if it's possible to have a baby, like to have a baby like that's not grown in a human body. And I was like, not yet. But in my head, I was like, uterus farm, Beyonce, Beyonce uterus farm. Yeah. Oh, I'm sure. You could explain it to the kids to start the process so that they can never trust anyone, you know. I tell them about Beyonce's uterus farm. But I want you.

When is the age? what, eight, or nine? What are we waiting for here? I'll report back. I hope that when we're there in middle school, we can't have conversations like this. But I want you to tell me about disturbance day. What's it called?

Declaration Day. Disclosure Day. Whoa, he's huge summer blockbuster. It's Spielberg's. It's his opus, MJ. No one is saying that this is Spielberg's opus, but it is crazy how many headlines I was seeing that was like,

Spielberg, he's back. Oh, wait, he never left. And I'm sorry, as far as I'm concerned, Spielberg has left the building. Like, I do for me. He has left the building. But this is about aliens. So I was like, I'm going to go see it. It's a summer movie about aliens. Yeah. It's not a movie about aliens. I'm going to go see it. It's got Emily Blunt, you know, it's giving me something great to look at, you know, I'll, I'm down with it. It's two and a half hours long. Okay. All right. Okay, it's two and a half hours long. I, you know what it is, MJ? I think that I was getting, it was, and I know that I brought this up during page seven, it is specifically, I think, because we were watching the movie during the 250th

anniversary of the country. And like, I think that it just felt so, like, there's no way that this naive world, like, like, that exists in Disclosure Day is our current reality. And I think a lot of my anger is really about the current upsets of our existence, and I am putting it all on the movie Disclosure Day. Well, there was a blind. I don't think I said this on the show. I think I said this off the air, but I saw a blind this week that said that Spielberg is like intentionally like parroting government talking points in his movies.

Obviously, that's a blind. And I haven't seen. But I just thought that, like, did it feel like propaganda? Like, what? If it was, it was stupid. I'm just going to give you the TLDR of this movie, right? Essentially, there is actual video proof of the existence of aliens, number one. Number two, the fact that they are being tortured by the American government.

Uh-oh. And the entire movie is about getting this footage to the basic network channel so that it can go viral. Right? And that's essentially the movie. It feels like an old-fashioned concept of the media. Like that's not really how media works anymore. It's like a Walter Cronkite-ass media over there. The movie, it really, they were like, yeah, is that how they go viral?

Yeah, I have that news correspondent. Yeah, say it into the thing. And then everybody's going to find out and they're going to go. And really, what the consensus. And I apologize, because I am ruining this movie for you, that the idea is that if the number one, if aliens were to choose two people from the world that both of them would be from the United States

and both of them would speak English. Mm-hmm. Of course. And on top of it, that if the world found out that the American government definitely has, like they are aware of aliens like they are, that we know definitely that they're torturing these aliens, which I imagine they would.

be that the human. Based on what we know about the U.S. government, it's pretty likely, yeah. And that the assumption is that the human population would be so aghast that they would go against the government and say, how dare you? That this is the humanist belief of like, no, we would never. Look at our fucking country, MJ. Do you think that's really what would happen? We love to unite against human rights violations in the United States. Sure, sure. And it's just like with that already, like, and maybe I'm just so upset about other things

that I couldn't look at this and be like, oh yeah, and then they do it, and then everybody gets together. Because they're not, MJ. Yeah. Because they wouldn't. Because there's a bunch of horrible people

that would be like, God, kill them all. They're probably smarter than we are and they know other things. Kill them all. Like I can't get by eye that like this 85 year old is like, And then the humans will say. Like, I know that that's not where Spielberg is coming from, but it's just like that's what it felt like.

And I'm going to extra spoil it, MJ. The entire two and a half hour long movie was about proving that they were aliens. And guess what they had backstage? An alive 11-foot alien that they could just bring out in front of everybody. So why did they just bring out the alien? I was. I'm sorry. I needed to get this off my chest. I'm sorry that I'm ruining the movie for everybody. April, if you could put in just a timestamp of where I ruined the movie for everybody. I don't even know if this is ruining the movie for everybody. I don't know. I don't know if it is. I guess it's kind of what I expected anyway, but it feels like a direct contradiction to E.T. which I think more accurately portrays what would happen, which is the... Come and kill it. Yeah. That's what they would do.

Destroy knowledge, any knowledge, and prevent any, yeah, public knowledge into, you know, something that has the public interest. And maybe I'm just a crazy conspirator. Like, you know, I know that aliens exist. I know that they, like, we know that they do. And we know that they have brute. Like, they have it. So it's just, I was just angry on so many, so many ways. And also angry that it was two and a half hours long for it.

Wait, I'm going to put a pin in what, I'm going to circle back to what you just said. which is you know aliens existed, you know we have proof? Yes. Okay. Do you want to say more about that? No. Okay. I know it for a fact.

There's no way aliens don't exist. There's no way that we're the only things that exist, all right? We don't even know how big the universe is, okay? Yeah. There's lots that we don't know. Yeah. No, I'm with it. I'm with it, Mulder.

That's fine. Thank you. You're not going to be a scully about this. Are you scullying at me? Are you scullying at me right now? I used to be a scully. I used to be a scully. I used to be a sculli, but now I'm a moulder.

Yeah, wasn't there a news story about this this year that Obama says... There's always news stories about it. There's always news stories about it, MJ? Yeah. And I, that's why I don't know if I'm just a conspiracist that I just, I don't even question it. But I'm not also looking for the government to share anything. And the part that annoyed you most is the idea that, like, the American people would unite to help disenfranchise. disenfranchised, the world would unite to help like disenfranchised population. Yeah, that Bacock would get out all the information on the 5 p.m. news that everyone, because then

it showed like, it was so funny, MJ, there was even just a shot of people live streaming it on an airplane. And everyone like kind of laughed. Like, it's like, we even know that that, like, it's like all, like everyone on the airplane being like, oh, blah, it's like, what airplane is that? that's got that great of internet that we're all able to live stream this as it's actively happening. Yeah, I'm really stuck on the idea that it has to get to the network news to go viral. That is just profoundly out of touch with reality. Stuck in my craw, MJ, kind of at work. But I also, maybe I'm broken and I am broken in many ways. Maybe I'm broken.

I am. I am. Certainly I am. I'm going to double down on that. I know that I'm broken. And I know that this, because we've talked about this before, that, you know, I laugh at a lot of things that are inappropriate. I think that it's just, I think that our reality has scrant, like, I feel like Tara and my brains have become scrambled eggs. Okay.

It's got to, I'm talking about Buffy. I'm talking about Buffy. Oh, Taurus. And I'm talking about, I feel like my brains are scrambled eggs. I thought you had said Kara at first. I was like, Kara's brain is perfect. No, I could never have Kara's brain. brain. I would be superhuman.

Kara's brain is a hard boiled egg, not a scrambled one. But I will say, I loved looking at Coleman Domingo. I love looking at Emily Blunt. I was down looking at Colin Firth. Colin Firth, who was supposed to be the bad guy, who in the end, bad guys, bad guys, bad guys, and then shows up

and when he should be stopping them from doing it, sits down and goes, let her talk. Why? Why? You've been pursuing her for two and a half hours. It's got an 81% on Rotten I don't know why. MJ, I need you to know.

I'm not alone in feeling this. Because at first I was like, I must be, like, I must just have a stick up my ass. Yeah. I must, these are inflated. These are inflated reviews. I'm telling you these are inflated reviews. I have not talked to one person. And I, although that's not true.

That's not true. I will say that lover of Spielberg here at the network, a one, Edward, Larson also had some issues with it. He was a lot more positive than other people. Yeah, he's good at that. But even he had issues and he is like Spielberg 100%. So I know I'm not just being too sensitive. Uh-huh.

Yeah. I mean, I think, I don't know, isn't it fair. Isn't I feel like it's fair to say that Spielberg, you know, swings and misses sometimes. Yeah. I mean, I don't think he's a bold reproach. I think though, but the thing is, MJ, you, say that until you say it to a spielbegnite? Yeah. And then be ready to be told how wrong you are. I mean, what are everyone agreed that AI artificial intelligence was a horrific movie. Is that where that's the,

that's the nail in the coffin for you? It was AI. That's the one where I feel like we can all agree it was bad. I'm looking at the rest of the body of work and I feel like people defend almost everything else. You know what? I'm going to say I like it. Really? You like AI artificial intelligence with Hayley Joe Asman? I'm a Gigolo Joe fan. I like Jude Law. Yeah.

And Haley Joel too small of the face. It's kind of a freak show movie because it's him taken over for Kubrick. So it ends up being a very weird movie. Oh, is that why it was so weird? Oh, that's why. Yeah, Kubrick went like really far down the production pipeline with that and never did it. Oh. Oh, but never, like, started it either.

No, no. Oh, but then, well, now that makes me want to watch AI again. Now it makes me want to see it. Yeah, I have a problem where I've been thinking about AI a lot because every time people talk about AI in our current reality, I think of AI, the 2001 movie, which I saw in the theaters, and I had no huge problem with it at the time, but I feel like everyone was like, this movie's stupid.

But again, now upon looking at Rotten Tomatoes, 76%. So maybe people like it. But again, if you look at a lot of the Spielberg movies, because I was watching some YouTube video that was talking about like before Disclosure Day, like the big three, you know, close encounters, E.T. And it's the third alien movie.

This other alien one. Okay, it'll come to me. It'll come to me. War of the World. War of the Worlds. War of the Worlds. People thought that was bad, too. No, but that's the thing, MJ.

I was like, oh, people thought War of the World was bad. But then in the YouTube video, it's like, and everybody loved War of the World. Nobody loved War of the Worlds. I was like, the one with Tom Cruise. And so, and then I started looking at some of the other ones and I was like, I think, and I'm not saying that Spielberg's doing it, but I think the Spielberg's doing it. But I think the Spielbinites that are out there are really putting out. They're like, but did you? But, they're doing some activism.

I think it has to be. Yeah. But Adam, were we talking about War of the Worlds? Did you say that... Did you say that you've seen... I just complained about the sun being saved at the end of the... Sorry, that's a big spoiler thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're spoiling today, boys! It's all so old. It's old. Yeah, it's... I mean, honestly, if you're going to watch a war of the worlds, you should watch the Ice Cube version of it. So you shouldn't.

It's the worst. You remember what I was screaming about that. So it's all like a Zoom movie. Yeah, I just think that if you're going to watch a... bad War of the Worlds, put on that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, but then it got me thinking, do I need to watch War of the Worlds? I've never seen it before.

I've seen E.T., I've seen Close Encounters, but not since I was a kid. Do I re-watch the, like, I need the re-education of Steven Spielberg? Or do I not? Specifically, his ideology about aliens. Aliens. I want to watch it change. I want to see, because you're right, MJ. I want to see, why did they go after E.T.

this one, but now you think the government is good. Right, right, right. That's, yeah, I think any... What change? Is it just much, much money? Like, is it just generations of being really rich? Like, I don't, I genuinely don't know. Yeah, yeah. No, I think any movie, if there's any movie made in 26 that makes it look like the government is going to make a humane decision, I think that that, I've better call that propaganda. It's just not, you know, it's like, if this were, like, you know, if this were at a different time, I probably would feel differently about this movie. I think that it's just my hopes are so dashed.

Yeah. It's a Lucille Bluth movie. It is a Lucille Bluth movie. Not even 20 years. You honestly have to go even further. But if it was 25 years ago, if it was 19, you know, or shit, actually, again, 30 years ago, if it was like 1995, 1996, it would hit.

It would hit. I do actually think it would. I mean, think about Independence Day. You think about that. It's like, that is a movie that I will still watch every summer. And it's not like, oh, Jackie's so against the government now. She can't watch government. Like, that's not what I'm saying.

It's that that is such a, you know, it's like you think of like the movie the American president, Kirk Douglas and Annette Benning. Like, would we watch that movie right now? No. Yeah, right, right. I wouldn't give a fuck that his name is, you know, Donald, whatever, and he is the president. He says that. And then he's supposed to say that.

You're supposed to be like, yeah. You know, like, I remember watching that. And so maybe it is just, maybe I got to come back to this in four years. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, you just got to, you know, I know that you, in L.A., you're busy fending off, you know, Spencer Pratt from. We have, but don't worry. He's suing.

He's suing. Yeah, because it obviously the votes. Oh, no. votes, MJ. It's all fake, MJ. Uh-oh, yeah. Well, I was just, you just got to get on to Zoron Instagram. Today I saw a video montage of Zoron set to the opening theme song from Arthur, the PBS

Kids Show. Every day when you're walking down the street, everybody that you meet has an original point of you. And it's just like him riding bikes and high-fiving kids. And get along with each other. Yeah. You know. So I just stare.

I feel like I'm just staring, drooling at pictures of Mom Donnie, just being like, if he could just look at us. Yeah. If he could just think about us. But he doesn't because he's busy with New York and making New York better. And I hope that that is just where he's starting, even though everyone keeps saying, president, president. And he's like, nope, I'm good with New York. So that's fine. He wasn't born in the United States.

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's how we have to rewrite the Constitution. Yeah, but also he, you know, he's taken care of New York for now. And I think it's good. He needs to focus. Yeah. It's good for him to focus on one project.

Look at how much you can get done if you can just focus on one project. NBA championship, baby. Whoa. That's, he got it? Everyone is crediting everything good happening to him and I'm with him. Okay, great. I'm also with it. And I'm going to credit everything good happening to him, too.

And so not disclosure day. Jalen Brunson listens to Justin. Bieber before he goes on the court. That's like his pre-game music and I did need to bring that to page seven because I think that's cute as hell. Also, you've already rolled up the sleeves of this Nick's T-shirt and I think those sleeves are not long for this world. You know it's going to be a cutoff. It needs to be a cutoff. Yeah. You got to make that shirt a cutoff. It's going to, because I can't wear it all summer unless it's a cutoff, you know. Got's too. Yeah. Dude, you look great and you know, thank you for talking to me about all of the many things. You know, Love Island,

I'm still in the villa and, you know, I'm going to get back to you, Corbyn. I'm surprised he's still in there. And I, uh, I've been having a lot of fun. I'm glad. I'm glad. I want to keep hearing the updates. I don't know what I'll have for you next week because I don't know if people will still be talking about the next next week.

So I'm going to have to figure out something else to give my life meaning. But I'm glad that you've got your love island. It's not going to be Widows Bay. And it's not going to be. It's not going to be. Fuck. And also I did end up finishing Spider-Noir. And I did like it more than just me making fun.

fun of Nick Cage. And I will say the accent was accenting like only 60% of the time. So it really is at every scene that you have to deal with it. But then there are some montages that are so you can tell Nick Cage was like, can I cage out here a little bit? And they're like, yeah, let him cage out. And honestly, it's worth it for the cage out moments alone. That's, yeah, that's what Gideon said. Gideon was just like, I will, I will watch anything with Nicholas Cage. It will always be interesting. And yeah, I actually ended up really enjoying Spider-Noir a lot. There's a really great montage of like he's surprised because his receptionist knows that he's Spider-Noar or the Spider, and he's like, How did you know there?

Oh, how did you know that? And then it was a montage of him hammered in his office doing Spider-things. And then like the reception is coming in being like, and he's like, I'm a Spider. You better watch it on the Spider of just him telling her over and over again drunkenly that he's the spider. And she's just like, okay, yeah, I know. Yeah, I know it. And it was, honestly, it was like, that montage was worth watching it alone. Oh, and there's new Spider-Man movie coming out.

Oh, yeah, man. Tom Holland and Zendaya are everywhere right now. And everybody's saying, already married. Already married. They're definitely already married. Some pictures have dropped. And I don't know if you've seen. And like, not a lot of them, just two.

And they just look. They're like, I don't know where the fuck they are. And they're just overlooking this beautiful view. And they look so happy, MJ. I love them so much. I love them. I don't think there is another celebrity couple that makes me smile as much as those two, man.

I just... And they love each other so much. And she fell in love with him during his performance of umbrella. You can see it in our eyes. I really, honestly, the eye it lingers. And recently, besides Villa Post, I'm only getting Zendaya and Tom. Oh, and Stanpost.

I really, the eye lingers. And it's all just like, they love. We love their love. And I was like, I can't have my eye linger on this anymore. That's a creepy, Jackie. Stop just loving their love. Well, that's good. I know you're in a bit of an angry space.

And maybe this is Tom Holland and Zendaya's love will get you into a love, love space. It's blossoming. It's blossoming. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for recognizing this. Yeah. Thank you, MJ, for showing up on today's second helpings.

Thank you, everybody, for hanging out with us during second helpings. I'm having an absolute blast. I will say next week we've got Jake, but if you want pre-Jake to your Jake, Jake's going to be joining us on Jakin this Friday. Oh, fun. With Jakin with the Holdies, Jake is going to be joining us as we get drunk over on Twitch.combe slash Holdenators Ho. This, I mean, today, if you're listening to it on Friday, and if not, you can go watch

the replay over on Twitch.combe slash Holdenators Ho. Oh, that's fun. You guys are going to have a blast. We're going to have a blast. I'm excited about it. And also, thank you guys. You can give me a follow on Instagram at Jack That Worm. You can send in your own snackies.

I just want to say I got some great snackies in the mail recently. And also a gift for you, MJ, that I'm going to be sending to you. And I'm not going to bring it up until you get it. So I just wanted to say, for the person that sent in the care package, I received it, and I will be talking about it soon. And thank you so much. and you can send in your own to 4804 Laurel Canyon Boulevard number 378 Valley Village, California, 9-1-6-07.

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