Page 7 - Second Helpings - We're Still Cryin'

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

This week on Second Helpings, MJ and Jackie are talkin' the NYC mayoral election, and the incredible New York Post cover that resulted from it, plus the subsequent wild goose chase MJ went on to find a copy for Jackie and Geoff. Jackie is wavering on her stance on Christmas decor BEFORE Thanksgiving, and comes in with an early xmas endorsement, but Mariah Carey's unthawing was sadly a Sephora ad. Jackie got taken to the premiere of the tear jerker doc "Come See Me in the Good Light."  Everyone's pleading and begging has paid off, Meghan Markle is finally coming back to the beloved screen! "All's Fair", the Kim Kardashian led Ryan Murphy legal drama, is doing just as well in the reviews as you would expect, coming from someone who blamed ChatGPT for failing law school. Staff has unleashed DunkaPoos upon the world, and then it's time to talk some DWTS, including the heart of the show.... Andy Richter. PLUS SO MUCH MORE!Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The second time around. You know, I always, I feel like we sing it every week. And I keep, like, while singing it, I'm like, we should probably work on this opening theme song. And then I don't think about it again. It's perfect. It is perfect. And it's difficult to fuck with perfection.

And I do get that. But I feel like there was always something that was meant to be found with it that I forget about. It's the beauty of ADHD brain. It goes away into a compartment that lives in my body somewhere until the following week when I start to sing it again and I have the same thought. And I needed to share it with everybody because I never wanted you to think for a second that I would ever have a thought that I wouldn't immediately share. Oh, we got to share it all. Jackie and I were just chatting about life before we started recording.

And then I almost said something and I said, you know what? I need to save this for the air because I want. want this to be a conversation that everybody is witness to. Although I'm scared of this because the way you stopped yourself, you're like, because you're about to get upset. And I, do you know what, MJ, I just woke up. I don't know if you can hear a difference, but I am in my brother's office right now. I'm surrounded by dogs.

It's a different setup than usual. You're pretending to be Henry this week sitting at his desk. Oh, my busies. Is that what he talks about? You know, he's always talking, and I have no idea. Sometimes I'll talk to him in real life, and I don't realize that what he's saying to me is a bit that he's done on a bunch of other things. Because I don't know what he says into a microphone. I don't listen to it.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's just a hazard, a work hazard with your company is that sometimes you're talking to somebody and you don't know if they are in character, you know, or do it a bit. or not. But I, and this is, the reason I know that you're going to be upset with what I'm about to say is because we've talked about it before. We talk about it every year and it's the age-old debate of when do you put the Christmas decorations up. And the problem is, the problem is, everything is that what this is about. Everything is hard and stressful right now except the New York City mayoral election.

Thank you very much. Oh my God. Mom Donnie. Dom Dany. And also not, Detroit. Yes. Yes. They're so, dude.

It was a good night. It was a good night. I actually felt, huh. Hoop. I know. I keep forgetting. I'm just,

I'm so personally stressed out right now with grad school that I just keep being like, everything's fucked. I'm fucked. I'm so fucked. And then I like look up and I'm like, oh my God, for the first time in Checks watch nine years,

something very good politically happened. Like, yes, it was good in 2020 when Biden got elected or whatever. but I, you know, I would call that relief more than hope. Whereas what just happened in New York City, it's the best thing that's ever happened in my entire life. And everything is great. Say that to your husband and children, yes. That's the day of my life was what's on.

Will not take it back. Double down on it. That's what I love to see. You know, we love a big collective experience. I talk about this all the time. I love a collective cultural event. New York City is great at big collective experiences. And nothing like a mayor who everyone is legitimately excited to vote for.

Remember stronger than the storm? Remember how many times we had to hear the song stronger than the storm when the hurricane hit New York? I just remember they shoved the song stronger than the storm down all of our throats. It wasn't that good. Don't this. Stop trying to, we are the world dust right now. it's like, yeah, it was bad that the hurricane hit New York, but this song ain't it. I forgot about that. I was just thinking about that because during Hurricane Sandian was that

2013, Michael Bloomberg kept doing his press conferences in English and then doing like five seconds of Spanish. And everyone started calling him El Blumbito because his Spanish was very bad. Very, very bad. And I was thinking about El Blumito this week because Zoran is putting out ads in all these different languages. He put out an ad in Arab, like of him speaking Arabic. He put out ads of him speaking Spanish, none of which are languages that he, you know, usually speaks. And so everybody was like, oh my God, I can't believe they're on. Put out an ad in Arabic. And I was like, man, we've come a long way from El Blumboito. El Blumboito, babies. Oh, my God. And thank you so much. Poor MJ. I sent them on a wild

goose chase through New York trying to find the New York Post for us, because, Jeff was like, do you think that maybe MJ could get me one of those Mumdani posts? Because here's the thing. We're not huge, you know, we're not always trying to lift up the post, I would say. But man, I would say that. Even though we are named after a section of the New York Post. We certainly are in case anyone was ever curious. It is because there is a page six in the New York Post. And it's about celebrity gossip. But it had a great headline. and MJ couldn't find the post anywhere because everybody wanted that post. It's a collector's item now.

It is a, it is, it is Zoron's face photoshopped onto like a Soviet art with a hammer and sickle. And it says on your marks, M-A-R-X, get set. So. Socialist Mondani wins the race for bear. And the big headline is the red apple. And I know this is a pop culture podcast, but I need you guys to know on your marks with an ex. gets set, Zoe is... I mean, the post, I will say, more towards the end of my dad's life when he was, like, the one

thing that he still loved to look at is I had gotten him this big, like, coffee table book of the stupidest post headlines. Oh, that's fun. That's a great gift. He just always, of course, my father loved the post, which, you know, yeah. It's the concern of the two New York tabloids. There's the Daily News and the Post, and the Post is like the Foxx. news of a daily newspaper.

But there's the thing. Sometimes Fox News can be very funny, just like the headlines of the post that are oftentimes not something you agree with. You know what I mean? Like calling it the red. But it's very funny. Very funny. And yeah, every socialist in Brooklyn immediately ran out.

Needed it. Needed it. And so I was like, I was literally texting my family. I was like, we need to go to Manhattan where there's fewer socialists and more newsstands because Brooklyn doesn't they don't really have them at the bodegas in as much anymore because people I don't think are reading paper newspapers anymore so anyway I did search for your uh socialist New York Post thank you for looking between my entire family the three different households in my nuclear family that lives here we were only able to procure your one copy and they are being sold

already resold on eBay for 300. Whoa. People are obsessed it's a great it is but it has been a great week here in New York City but I won't keep talking about the New York City mayoral election. It's nice to have hope. It's nice to actually feel something that is not just devastation. Very nice to feel hope. Yes. And like, yeah, and so, and everybody who's been sending me nice messages, I love you all.

It is, I love, I'm hearing from people that are like, I live in rural Kentucky and I'm so happy for you. California, we all voted yes too, and we were like getting that shit. Congratulations in California. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. We're moving mountains here, guys. Let's fight back and fight 30.

We're fighting back. And yes, that is the most that we'll get into it. I just, you know, we, there was just a huge positive thing. It was. And we do like to talk about positive things here. Yes. And I am excited just to feel, especially going into the holiday season, it's going to be a rough one. It is going to be a rough one for Jackie.

But Jackie, I know it's going to be a rough one for so many. It's not just a rough one for me. Nobody has made money is the part part. It's hard to go into the holiday season. Nobody has any money. Oh, speaking of which, real quick, we got a very sweet message from a patron, from somebody who wants to become a patron, but is going to ask for it as a gift, which I thought was so sweet. Oh, I love that.

And they asked if we could give like a little talk through about how to like do that so that they can, you know, guide their, the person they're going to ask. So you're just going to go to patreon.com slash page seven podcast. and I think I have become a patron of a different project before. I know that people have complained about like how Patreon, like there's all of those Patreon backend stuff. We have no control over, obviously, like fees and anything like that. But, you know, choose.

We put a lot of content though. And I will say, if you are to give a gift of our Patreon for $5 a month, you get an insane amount of content. Yeah. For $5 a month, you basically get two extra podcasts a week. And so if that is something that you want to ask for, you just go to patreon.com slash page 7 podcast and tell your, tell your gifter, choose your tier. And yeah, it's at the $5 level is where you get both Jackie's book club and celebrities. And then at the $10 level is the Buffy Watch Along. But this is literally not me trying to be grossly self-promoting. This is somebody who like asked for a little tutorial. And I didn't even realize you could give that as a gift. So that the Thank you for saying this. I think it's also good, even if it's not just for us, it is a good gift idea. It is a good gift idea. That and also, man, I am going to throw this out there and I am going to be giving this gift a lot this year. Throwing it out there for everybody.

Quinn also, you can give a subscription to. That's the erotic audio book. And Quinn is the audio erotica site that also a bunch of celebrities do stuff over there too. And it's. spicy audio books. And you can give that as a gift as well. I gave it to my friend for her birthday. And she, like, at first, like, what is this? And then I tell you what? The message I received about a month later that she was like, oh my God. I'm like, yeah, I don't give the gift lightly. Jackie's a great gift giver for those of you who don't know. She does very, very thoughtful gifts. Thank you. But yes, all of that is to say we know. that it's hard, hard times for all right now, hard, hard economic times. So of course, we totally understand if you cannot join our Patreon or cannot continue to be part of our Patreon. And it is a hard,

holiday season, often hard for people, certainly hard for people who have lost anybody that year. But Jackie, have you considered putting up your Christmas decorations before Thanksgiving? Because I think I change every year. I go back and forth. Sometimes I try to save it till after. But I just I'm looking at the calendar. I got six weeks left of grad school this semester, which means it's about six weeks till, you know, peak Christmas. And I think I want, I think I want to be surrounded by Christmas decorations for six weeks. So you think you need extra Christmas this year. So rather than doing what, I think it's time. And it helps. And it helps. Because yeah, a couple, I'm going to say two or three weeks ago, I had decided for myself, I can't believe I'm saying this new microphone, I decided for

myself that I was going to cancel the holidays. And I was like, I'm just not going to. I was part of this conversation. I'm just going to pretend like it doesn't exist like I did with the summer. And then I went into therapy. My therapist was like, and what does that solve? And who does that hurt? Does it just hurt you? And maybe that is the answer.

So I've decided to uncancel the holidays for myself. They're back. The holidays are back. And just because you're sad during the holidays doesn't mean you should just strike it from existence. it also could mean that you work your way through it. Yeah. And you enjoy sections of the holiday. And maybe there are days that you wake up and you're sad and you give yourself to those days.

And that's okay. Yes. But we have to, you know, not just let the beleaguermint of everything keep us down. And you know what, MJ? I was going to say, I'd rather die. And if I'm going to die, I'd better do it and decrease the surplus. population. But I think you might be right. And that's, you know, I mean, coming from me, before a Thanksgiving, I know, usually I, but you know what? I sanction it this year. Well,

I'm sanctioning. I'm giving extra holidays to everybody this year. I think it is a case by case basis. Some years, you don't want to, you don't want to feel Christmas before Thanksgiving. But this year, I don't know, Mariah Carey's, its time was a Sephora ad. It was a Sephora ad. Everything's an ad, everything's an ad, Jackie. My children's content that they watch on YouTube is just all ads.

It's a big ad. It's an ad for a mystery box. And you know what? Mystery boxes and surprise boxes, which are all the toys now, you know what's hard about them? Is that you don't know what you're getting? And is that good for the neurodiverse brain?

No, it's not. Although you might want to look into, now I don't know if the world of slime is like the world of Lego, but Jeff goes and there's all the blind boxes for all the mini Lego things. Do you know that there is this like, I don't know if it's an app or it's like a website, that you scan the back of it

and it will tell you what's inside of it. No shit. Yeah, bro. I'm over here in Target, like looking at the serial numbers trying to make sure that it's not going to be something that upsets us. Now I don't, I can't speak for the slime. Not Target this year. Boycotting, but that's a, last year.

I was in Target, sweat and bullets. Just look into it. Maybe there is a way that nerdier people have cracked that code so you don't have to keep buying the same ones. Okay. This is good to know. Yes. You know, everything is a surprise now. And it's complicated for the neurodiverse brain because we love surprises.

Surprise is so exciting. And then so many feelings of disappointment if you don't like the surprise. Anyway, I don't need to get into my life. but I... Brow, wow, wow. I'm sorry, I was thinking

it's my life now or never. Christmas is coming early and... Okay. Harry has unthought and I was disappointed

that it was a Sephora ad, but I also was, I was excited to see Billy Eichner, but then I immediately like that lost way to it just being a

Sephora ad. Yeah. And I am upset because I was like, oh, everything's on sale. Let me go get my primer. And I did.

And he had worked. And I hate it. I hate it. I hated that the ad works because it reminded me that I needed to go get my fucking makeup primer. So thanks, ad. And I did. I wanted to show it to the kids. I was like every year Mariah Carey comes out after Halloween. And like it was I was telling it as if it's like part of the actual holiday, Laura. Like, you know, November 1st. Mariah Carey, untas from the ice. I have such dreams of one year building a large cornucopia and me being burthed out. of the cornucopia as a turkey. Yes. It's time. And I'm like, like a bunch of just like hot people are just squirting gravy all over me. Yeah, I think we could make this happen.

Every year I have these dreams, MJ. And you know what happens? You blink. And then it's Thanksgiving again. That's true. What happened? Hey, what happened? I, you know what?

Hey, what happened? I went to go see a very, very sad movie this week. And I am going to talk about it, MJ. Excellent. I am going to bring this up because I'm not going to throw Julia Johns under the bus because Oh yeah, let's talk about this movie. She brought me to the premiere of a really beautiful movie. But let's just say I didn't know what the movie was about going into it.

And then I cried and I cried and I cried and I cried. And MJ actually said if someone had done that to me, I'd be so upset. But then I realized, no, Julia just knows I'm. the friend that you bring to when you know you're going to be crying in public. Yeah. And I was literally sitting next to Fortune Feemster and we were sharing tissues, not like the same tissue, but I just kept handing over tissues because we were crying so much. And the reason I was sitting next to Fortune Feemster is because Julia works with Tignitaro. And this is a Tignitaro produced documentary called Come See Me in the Good Live.

light. It is directed by Ryan White, and it is the story of the love and the end of life of this very powerful spoken word poet Andrea Gibson. Now, I didn't know, Jackie was telling me about the movie, and I said, what's it called? And I looked it up. And then I realized that I know Andrea Gibson because they passed just recently, and their poetry was all over Instagram. And I had never known their work before, but I fell into a huge Andrea Gibson hole because their poetry is incredible. So I'm just saying that, bringing that in, because if you're hearing us talk about this movie, you might actually, if you don't already know their work, which their work is immensely popular. But if you don't already know their work, you might have actually also seen their work going

around a few months ago when they died over the summer. What a powerful performer. And they did get to see it premiere at Sundance. Oh my God, I'm going to start crying. Before, before the end for them. And it, the movie is so positive, like in a way that I didn't expect. I did, like I said, I didn't know anything about the movie. All I do is that Julie was like, it's sad. And I was like, okay.

And then I was blown because, like, for the record, I want to see this movie. I just said I would be mad at Julia because it sounds like such a devastating movie. Because it is devastating. It's all about their life and their impending, like, them reckoning with their impending loss, right? Them finding their joy in the impending loss. And in thinking of the fact of, like, you think two years is a short amount of time until you're like, just one more day. Oh, I get. I can't.

I know. I cried it, I grind and I grind. You've shed so many tears about this movie since you saw it, like four days ago. Every time I, and then I like look at Jeff because it's also about like their love story. And I'm just like, oh my God. I just, but like what you're supposed to take from it is the joy of living. And it debuts, I think November 14th, so next week on Apple TV. I will be watching it.

I really want to, like I said, I fell in love with Andrea Gibson's poetry once I saw it being shared. And I was like, I didn't know this person. I had no idea. but their poetry is incredible. I really want to watch this movie. I will also say, which most people won't get this, but there was a talk back afterwards, and their wife was there,

and they read a poem that they had written that was to be read after their passing, and she read it to everyone in the audience, and it was like a love letter to her as well as to everyone. And I, you, man, it was just so funny just because Fortune was like, you thought it was over, but I guess we still cry. We're still crying. And I was like, yeah, we're still crying. We're still crying.

I'm picturing it like, like how I talked about like in whatever my kids' school gets norovirus and like just everybody's puking. Like, you know, we get the letter to notice like 40 children are vomiting in the main office. Like, oh my God. I picture it for crying, just like it cuts, you know, this spouse is reading this, like, incredibly beautiful moving letter and then it cuts to the audience and everyone's just like, like doubled over, heaving, screaming, crying, laughing, like laughing, like laughing crying throwing up the meme, but like in real life. Yes.

And it was just, honestly, it was such a shared experience with everyone in this like old theater that we were in that it really kind of. Man, talk about a sense of community. I really do feel a sense of community when I watch a really sad movie with a bunch of people. But it was very funny because at the same moment, our buddy Rob, producer of last podcast, had brought Jeff to a premiere of Predator Badlands. We were watching the movies at the same time in different places. And I just kept imagining Jeff just being like, and then the Predator, he ripped the head off that guy. No, I was so proud of him.

And you told me that. I said, those are the two genders. Gender spectrum. Now, yeah, that's quite a gender spectrum. I don't usually see the binary of it, but, you know, every once in a while you see that. And you're just like, wow. Just different kinds of people, huh? Well, I am so glad that you told me about this because I do want to watch it.

And I am married to somebody who does not like to be sad all the time. And so I'm probably going to- Not the movie for Gideon. I'm probably not going to watch it with him. And that's okay. I'm going to watch it some night that he's at night court and, ooh, I'm going to look forward to it. I'm going to cry and cry and cry.

You're going to cry and you're going to cry. Sometimes you've got to let it out. Honestly, I, we're not going to talk about dancing with the stars just yet. But I will say that I think that dancing with the stars, I watched it. I woke up early this morning and watched it, bleary-eyed, covered in dogs. Nothing like watching your content. early in the morning because you're so busy and stacked that you're like, I guess I'll watch Riverdale at 5 a.m. But here's the problem, MJ. In the past, it was like, oh, I'll just watch the dances. It's not good enough for me anymore, MJ.

I had to wake up an hour and a half early so that I could watch the entire show. I did the same thing. I also had to finish it this morning because I stayed up very late drinking champagne on Tuesday night. because yeah you did yeah you did and also I love the picture of Freddie being up to Freddy's only like 10 p.m it was 10 p.m it wasn't like two o'clock the morning but it was very it was because like they called it at like 945 which is late for a child's bedtime but early for a for a for a mayor I mean because it was uh you know it was it was it was very it was it was decisive and so the kids had been we had put them in our bed to watch a movie while we watched we had friends over and we were watching the returns and they were coming in and out,

but then they kind of like lost interest, and they were in the back. And so then I went back to our bed expecting them to both be fast asleep because it was very late. And one of them was fast asleep. But the other was wide awake and I said,

Zoran won. Oh, that's so great. It was like the opposite emotional experience for any parents out there who had to wake up their children after election day, 24, and tell them who had won't one. I got like a corrective emotional experience from that.

That's great. We got to use them when we get them. It was. But that's all just to say that I, yesterday I had class and that I was like, got to watch Dancing with the Stars. But of course, I'm always grumpy that I have to watch it. And then it brings me immense joy. Oh, it brings you so much joy.

Sorry, I just share this article with you because I'm seeing this article pop up everywhere today. And I feel like this is part of the reason why Megan Markle gets ripped apart by everybody. Because there are headlines over every celebrity gossip site right now that it's like, Megan Markle makes shocking return to acting eight years after quitting Hollywood. As if this is like that we have to stop the presses to let because we've been begging. Because you know what the world needs? It's like, move over, Mom, Donnie.

We need Megan Markle. now more than ever to take her place where she rightly belongs on our television screens this headline is hilarious she's not asking for this you know what I mean

I feel like it is where I'm not mad at her I'm not upset with her but this is an annoying way to cover a celebrity it's annoying no one's begging her to come back nobody I yeah at this point

my annoyance with her and her expensive jam been transferred to like to the New York Post honestly can we care about can we care about anyone else like I Taylor Swift and Megan Markle that's all that and the I mean don't get me wrong they'll they'll rip apart the real housewives but yeah outside of that yeah yeah no I know we're we're we're it's yeah it's just it's every New York post story is Megan Markle and um yeah throw up Kardashian you know um yeah I don't care and I think honestly

suits is some of her most beloved work so I think I might wish her the best and I do not we are not disparaging suits here throwing that out there because I will comfort show we it is a comfort show and you enjoy that comfort show

we all have different things because I tell you man I know the suitists come after us every time we shit on suits and I'll tell you ain't seen a lick of it And so I really shouldn't be making fun of it, although I haven't seen a lick of all's well either. Excuse me. All's fair, because all's well is not all's well over at all's fair. What are you talking about it?

I'm talking about the new Ryan Murphy show that has such a stacked cast. Ryan Murphy is busy. Now has a whopping 6% on rotten tomatoes. I'm actually very upset that. Adam is not in the room today because Adam sent me a text yesterday that was like, it is such a waste of your time. But if you want some fun, slap on an episode of All's Fair, I think that you guys would like it.

Kim Kardashian's legal drama. Bro. And so apparently, I mean, we're talking Sarah Paulson. We're talking Niecy Nash. We're talking Glenn Close. We're talking Taiana Taylor. We're talking Naomi Watts. All right.

We, Elizabeth Berkeley. This is a, it is, well, you know, I don't know if Elizabeth Berkeley makes it the stack cast, but you know, she is the cherry on top of the check. Wow. Wow, wow, wow, wow. And Ryan Murphy is so hit or miss, I feel. Hit or miss. And again, Murphus, please don't come after us. I know some people are diehards forever and love the camp of every single second of a Ryan Murphy.

And I'm happy for you. I'm very happy for you. You get it. You get it. Some people really like the hot Ed Gied. But then I've also heard quite the opposite. I think they've heard maybe for, I feel like I don't want to say it's because he's so hot and he was doing a good job. And I feel like that was also the response.

But I will say maybe from the people I have talked to that don't. find him as hot. Don't think he's doing the best. No. That was one, like I said, I did watch. I watched the Menendez brothers one and I loved the O.J. Simpson one. I loved the O.J. Simpson one. I loved Pose. Pose. I really, really liked Poe. Loved it. I loved some seasons of American horror story and I will throw out to say that, that if I were in a room and someone threw on American Horror Story, I will watch it until it is taken off the screen. Like I am, I get absorbed into it. There's, like, Ryan Murphy really does kind of suck you in. But I feel like he kind of spits you back out every once in a while. You know? Like how I, what I was trying to say about

Elizabeth Gilbert's writing where you're just like, I don't know if it's like objectively a high quality, but it will suck you in. Yes. I'm not exactly comparing Ryan Murphy to Elizabeth Gilbert because I think Ryan Murphy is consistently better. Like he, like, I think Ryan Murphy like makes good work. Oh, yes. And also he's trying new weird fun thing. So, like, That I'm never against. Totally. Everyone told me to watch grotesquery. I just never got around to it.

Yeah, but this does look annoying. I just, I am, we also had a head, we didn't end up talking about the headline of, of, of, of, uh, Kim Kardashian using AI to study for her legal exams. Kim Kardashian's relationship with the law. And then she failed, MJ. She failed, okay? And it was hard for her. And we were all supposed to be kind of like rooting for her because she was like, talking about, like, some criminal justice reform stuff. Law stuff.

to Trump and whatever. And like, I don't know. I don't know. I'm, I'm, I guess why. I just feel like she's just a billionaire pretending to be a lawyer. I think that's what's bothering me. Yes. I think she's a billionaire who's like, I should be a lawyer.

And it's like, okay, but are you? You know, and it's like, it's like when we're, she keeps taking the exams and she keeps failing. Yeah, it's the thing. I'm like, have you passed the actual bar? Have you done law school? Like, because famously. It's very hard.

Law school famously hard. I'm over here bitching about my grad program, but like I, like, I'm in a graduate program where you can like live a life. And law school ain't like that. So I just, I just feel like she is, like, how can you make murkin panties? Like, how are you coming up? You know, although I did watch a video of her talking about her inspiration for the murkin panties. And I guess she was in a photo shoot where they had put a murkin down. Like she was like wearing, she was wearing tights.

And she lifted up a dress to like kind of show a mercant's, like, jutting out of her tights. And she was so uncomfortable with it that she was like, no, you can't use that picture. I don't want that picture. And that's what made her think of it. But I also don't know. It's like, did she think of it or was it someone else? But, you know, I feel like being a billionaire is like being a four-year-old where you're like, I'm a cat today. But a rainbow.

And then I put, make my rainbow turn it. Yeah, it is tiger. And I need it to be blue. And you're like, figure out how to do this, okay? You're like, it can't be blue. But it need it to be, you know. And like, I want to be a lawyer. It's like, okay, well, here are the steps to become a lawyer.

Well, I don't want to do that. Okay, well, then you're not a lawyer. Then you're not a lawyer. And I know that you keep playing lawyer. And you're like, but I'm going to go talk about this stuff with these people. Okay, use your platform. Do some good. Get more people pardon.

You know, I do appreciate that level of. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine. Oh, speaking of which, let me find it. I made Gideon give me a, like, his lawyer roundup of the, um, the news this week about the Baldoni live. The Baldoni case. Okay. So shall I? Because we, I don't think we brought it up, uh, with Jake, but the baldoni, the whole trial, the counters, everything thrown out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, all thrown out. So why can we, do we know why? All right. So here's the breakdown. from our resident, resident. Love this. Thank you, Gideon.

This is not legal advice. This is legal information. Lively sued Baldoni. Baldoni countersued. This is all the background, right? So I said, I sent him the article. I said, summarized this for me. Who needs AI when you've got a lawyer husband?

Lively sued Baldoni. Beldoney countersued, which means he brought claims against her in response by filing a document called a complaint. The judge then ruled that the Baldoni complaint didn't have enough factual allegations against Lively to move forward, but gave Baldoni an opportunity to file a beefed-up version with more factual allegations. If he didn't by a certain time, the judge would dismiss Baldoni's countersuit. Baldoni didn't file an amended complaint. So the judge issued a judgment against him. Lively's case moves forward, and it sounds like she might get to get Baldoni to pay for her

attorney's fees for defending against his countersuit. So basically, you know, she sued Baldone. Baldoni was like, I'm going to sue you. And then judge was like, Baldoni, you don't have enough to sue. But you have, you could find more evidence. You could find enough to say that you could sue back. And he didn't. And so then, so what happened this week was that judge was like, you didn't, you don't have, you don't have, you don't have it. So it's dropped. But, but, but lively's case is still going. And. Yeah. I'm very much not a lawyer. But that's basically what's happening. So the legal drama is it over. I appreciate you asking, though, because I really wouldn't have understood any of that. I was just like, oh, so it's, okay, it's gone. I guess sometimes it's there and then sometimes it's gone. It's not gone. About what I know.

We are not done hearing about Blake lively and Justin Baldone. It's just that he. I thought we were released. No, I don't think we were released. She's still got her case and she is trying to, and I think, you know, I think the idea is that if you can like, basically she has all these attorney's fees that she's racking up because she's got this case going but so she's I think if she can be like what this is frivolous or whatever then she can get Justin Baldone to have to pay for her attorney's fees so it's all still a lot that's all just to

say still go and we'll still be talking about it we will still be talking about it I mean obviously we're not trying to give a lot of air time to this but it is continues to be again one of the only stories on page six one of the only stories of the lines I was about to say you brought up page six earlier about like Kim Kay, about Tay, about Megan Markle, but then always, if you scroll down, there's something talking about the fucking

Baldoni trial still. There's, oh, and I don't understand any of it. So I look at it, and I'm just like, what does that mean? I don't know. And then I keep going. Yeah. Yeah. So thank you for your due diligence. Thank you. We out here appreciate you. Thank you. But do you

appreciate shoving your cookies into some shit? I don't know. maybe you should check out some dunkapoo's. Yeah, I am going to bring up that dunkeroo's got a toilet-themed makeover and they're calling them dunkapoo's and the cookies are in the shapes of plungers and the frosting is inside of a toilet and you have to lift the lid to dip the plunger into the shit. You do. Now I'm going to do a real hot take here and I'm going to say that I think this is fun and I will buy them for my children if I see them. Interesting.

Now, I know your children and I'm going to say a lot of children very into people. They love, love shit. They love farts. They love poops. And I really, it's part of the reason why I brought this to you, MJ's. I knew I was going to hate this and I knew that you were going to love this. Really? You predicted it?

Yeah. I did predict it. I predicted that you, because I know, I know that you've, you've got a dirty boy's mind in there. Well, I know what you've got in there. I'm horny and you're a dirty boy. Like, we are two different kinds of living in the gutter. I just remember what it's like to be 10 or seven or six. And like, you know, there's, when I was teaching, the kids had the toilet candy. And I, of course, I'm sure that I was, I was in my head. I was like, I would never let by, I understood why the kids liked it. But I was like, I would never let my children by the toilet candy. which is a little plastic toilet that comes with sugar inside the toilet and then two plunger-shaped lollipops. Sugar shit.

Now that you dip, I can get into. You dip the lollipop plunger into the sugar shit. And so this, I'm like, yeah, just join the market. There's also another toilet-shaped candy that we have also bought that's like a toilet that, like, opens its mouth and there's candy inside. So I, there's a lot. Not for nothing, Dunkeroo's.

You're kind of behind the times. You're like the third toilet shit. Calling them out. You're the third shit-inspired kids' food toy candy experience. Get in line. We're all eating shit already, Dunkeroo's. We've been eating shit. Exactly.

Thank you for understanding. Wow. But also this goes, but I think that honestly, what's complicated about this product is that Dunkeroo's is mostly a nostalgia by. Dunkeroo's is exclusively in the domain of millennials who remember Dunker's, roos from the 90s. And those people don't want to eat shit. It's only Gen Alpha who wants to eat shit. You buy it for the kids. But I think that our nostalgia would buy it for, like if I were around your kids, I would definitely, if I saw them purchase these for your children.

Yeah. You just got to remember that, you know, kids don't get to like get drunk and get high, you know. Oh, sucks for them. Man, well, this is wrong. Honestly, I was just talking to my accountant about this. We were both lamenting that. He was like, you know, I got multiple bags of Halloween candy and he's like, I think I had two trick or treaters. And for some people, like in certain areas of like, let's say L.A., people will go to different neighborhoods because they are the Halloween neighborhood. So it's like a suburban Halloween movie where you go to the different neighborhoods. It's not like in New York where you go to all like the stores up on the avenue. you. And they're just like, there's not as many, unless you're in those, like, high traffic areas,

there's really not as many trick-or-treaters anymore. And I feel like, I don't mean to be a boom over here, but it's like, why would you trick-or-treat if you, like, get all of, like, what you want? Like, it's like, if you, like, with all the dopamine of the screens and, like, you're always up, you're always up that, like, we looked forward to trick-or-treating all year long. And, like, it's like, and, And is it because we weren't, we didn't have a million other happiness? I don't know. So you think kids today have more stimulation. Like there's so much more stimulation.

Because of the screens and the surprise boxes and everything. Right. Yeah, yeah. And then it's always, and it's like the, like, whereas I feel like it was so annoying for our parents around like the holidays because of all the toy ads. And then we would start seeing toy ads. We'd be like, oh, this is what we want. This is what we want. Right.

But like the month before Christmas, now parents, I feel like get that 24-7 because of YouTube and stuff like that. So it's always new stuff that they want. Sorry, am I getting two series? I'm just trying to like, I just, I find it like anthropologically fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a good. It's interesting because, I mean, we go, Halloween goes real hard here in New York.

But, but. And so does. In L.A. too. But it's just, it's interesting that I don't know. I'm just, I'm curious. What were your, if you, you know, had trick-or-treaters, did you have a million trick-or-treaters? Hit us up, page seven podcast, email. I'm just curious. Yeah, no, I'm curious too. And yeah, you know, I just, I like when kids, you know, obsess about candy or obsess about wanting to watch TV, I just try to remember that we all need our vices and our ways to access joy and relaxation. Oh, my God. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We're all, like I said, that. that 10-year-old stand-ups get, like, we're staring at our phones, too. I'm not blaming the children.

It's just, there's just so much. So let them eat shit. That's what I say. I mean, yeah, put the shit in your mouth, kids. Stop putting it in the toilet. Get better ideas. Okay, have we, can we, I don't, there's, can we talk about Dancing with the Stars? We could, if the only other, like, celebrity news story from this week, there's still a little bit of, like, Halloween news stories we could talk about, like, like, Julia Fox's costume or whatever.

but also the other like timely news story of the week is a Dancing with the Star story because it's about the pod meet world boys getting mad on Daniel Fischel's. Oh my God. Oh my God. But also real quick, we're not going to get into this. I just did find it funny that last week I told you that you should watch Howzu, which is the 1977 film. It's house also called Howsu. And I was like, because it's so fun, it's such. And right after. we recorded. Adam said, you know, it's actually a funny fact because, again, Adam is our cinephile. He is the one, he knows so much. And he's like, actually, houses based on the horrors of Hiroshima and what the writer and like what they experienced and what they went through. So it actually, like, there's a reason why it's so fantastic. Like he went, he explained it in a much better way that I, but I had no idea. And so it was like, actually, actually, it's very sad.

But also if you just like watch it, it's just like a fun horror movie. That makes me want to watch it more, not less. Okay, good. Okay, great, great, great, great, great, great. I just wanted to throw that out there. Because I was very wrong. It's not just a silly romp.

But, please. And Julia Fox dressed as Jackie O right after John F. Kennedy got shot for Halloween and it's very controversial. and I just think that Julia Fox is an interesting person and I like a celebrity who makes interesting choices. And that's not to say that you have to endorse this choice, but I also think that this is a way to like do something kind of edgy or envelope pushing that isn't like racist or oppressive to whole groups of people. And it's obviously a very sensitive topic, especially for people who were like like a lie. Like I remember my friend.

Oh, Lord, help the Kennedys. You know, we couldn't possibly make a. joke about the fucking Kennes. My friend in high school had a shirt that was the, you know, the picture of Jack Ruby getting shot, but it was like that shirt, but like, I thought this shirt was very funny. It was like that shirt, but like all of the people in the picture were like have instruments photoshopped onto them. So it looks like a band and it looks like Jack Ruby is singing.

I thought the shirt was very funny, but I remember some of the people from the parent generation being like, that was like a really traumatic event that we like were 10 and when it happened. we lived through. So I understand that it's... But she wasn't making fun of it. Right. But I actually, why I think it does make it completely not understandable, but also it makes it quite a political statement, especially with everything that's going on right now, is that what she had said is that she wore this outfit. And after which I was, I didn't really know about that, that I guess after the fact of the assassination of JFK, She refused to take off the bloody suit as Lyndon B. Johnson was being sworn in aboard Air Force One because she said she was quoted as saying, no, let them see what they've done to Jack.

And that is what Julia Fox said. She's like, no, I'm not being disrespectful. I'm trying to like, you know, essentially be like that that is what she fucking stood for. She stood out there. refused to take the fucking clothes off. And I don't think that that is a disrespectful thing to do. I actually feel like it's like, are we not kind of honoring her memory in a weird? Like, oh, am I?

Is that a fucked up thing? Julia Fox's quote was, when her husband was assassinated, she refused to change out of her bloodstained clothes, saying, I want them to see what they've done. The image of the delicate pink suit splattered with blood is one of the most haunting juxtapositions in modern history, beauty and horror, poison devastation. Her decision not to change clothes, even after being encouraged to was an act of extraordinary bravery. It was performance, protest, and mourning all at once. A woman weaponizing image and grace to expose brutality. And again, I just think Julia Fox is really interesting, making really interesting choices. I find her to be a fascinating and captivating celebrity.

And I think that, like, I think it would be an overcorrection to be like, we shouldn't ever do anything that might be controversial or even offensive. I can understand why people who lived through the Kennedy assassination might not like this. And I don't think that that means it's wrong for Julia Fox to have done. So I just was like, I thought this, I just, I love it when somebody makes an interesting and thoughtful choice and has like. And even Shrasbourg that was like Julia Fox glorifying political violence is disgusting, desperate and dangerous. I'm sure her late grandmother would agree. It's, do you not see what's going on right now? Yeah.

You know, it's just I, I, I, yeah, yeah, Schlossberg, good. I mean, again, but again, I don't understand. I don't expect the Kennedy family to like this. You're not in the Kennedy family. Of course, they're not going to like this. They don't have to like it. Like, I, I long for a, for like the, the ambiguous space of like, oh, this is offensive. But maybe that's a little bit fine.

It's a statement. It's a statement. Or at least she has thought about it. Yes. And again, I think that's different than, like, like, you know, something like Blackface, where it's like, we have decided like, no, no, no, no, there is absolutely no way in which that is ever okay or fun or interesting. There's no amount of like explanation that you could give to make that an interesting choice or an appropriate choice. And I think, I think that this is in a different category. That was my, that was my hot take on Julia Fox. Yeah, I think so too. And also, sorry, not to juke back to the Mariah Carey ad that we were discussing earlier, the It's Time ad. But apparently, it is receiving quite the backlash that you would imagine. That like you had said, the fact that so many people were surprised that it was an ad, because usually it's like her thing,

and that people are very upset of like, are you kidding? Like, this is like making jokes about what everybody is going through right now that essentially like, you know, Billy Eichner being like the elf that can't afford therapy and whatever. It's like that it's actually very out of touch and we really shouldn't be. I don't expect Maria Carrie to be in touch. Like this is also what I want to say to people. Just their expectations of celebrities. It's still Mariah Carey.

I don't expect anything from her. So if she produces a song that I enjoy listening to, my expectations have been exceeded, right? And so I don't expect, I don't expect Mariah Carey to be in touch. I expect her to be out of touch. But that critique is perfectly valid. And I think a pro. I just don't want everything to be an ad. I would like some things to not be an ad.

I love some things to not be an ad. But man, just this message. So the message here is working class on strike for being overworked and underpaid gets turned into snowman and is forced to work anyway. And you know what? Listen, I was a cultural studies major. If we want to bring our critiques to the Sephora ad and do that, then let's do it. Oh, we can.

Let's do it. I support you guys. I'm just saying I'm not expecting. I don't, again, my expectations for almost all celebrities are very low, which is why you'll see me being like, look at George Clooney being thoughtful. You know, like the expectations for them are low, low, low, which is. And then Julia Fox, like, oh my gosh, you're very smart and thoughtful. How fun. But I just don't, I just, I like that she makes a little video and it's an ad for her,

but it's not an ad for anything else. That's it. You know what is a really silly and probably too positive of a thought to have is that all I can hope is that her getting sponsored by Sephora for this means that all of the people that have to work so hard for her to do the it's time thing, for her to do this every because you know this is a huge thing. You know they're planning this. months out, you know that this is a production of people.

All I can hope is that that means they get more money. You know that's not what happens. I don't think that's what happened. But what if it was? That would be nice. Maybe it is. And listen, again, I'm all, I'm no war but the class war. If people want to get mobilized around Mariah Carey being out of touch and, you know,

making the working class. Oh, you're going to let them eat cake us. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. do it. I all let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's capitalize on any class solidarity we can right now but you know what I think that writer strong and Will Friedel need to settle down I'm gonna go ahead and say it whoa I think they're good friends I think and that's nice you're supporting the heart

of the show is what it sounds like and yes we are getting into dancing with the stars Carriana Naba wow I'm not I'm not hearing it is but okay okay all right we're talking about Danza of the Stars. We're going to say she's mean, right? We're going to say she's mean. She gets booed. People don't like her criticism. It is insane the way this woman gets ripped to shreds. I do think it's every show has a mean judge. Every show has a mean judge. There's got to be a mean one. Not to put the gender hat on, but oftentimes the mean judge is a man and people love them. Yeah. So why can't this woman be a bitch? You know what I mean? MJ, oh my God. MJ, I went into.

Whoa. The algorithm is so, I am just so steeped in dancing with the stars content. It's crazy. And I got lost in a bit of a rabbit hole that was talking about the misogyny of dancing with the stars. Okay. And it was like, they're like, you know who also has inconsistent and sometimes mean judgments? Derek. But do people say that shit about him?

No. Isn't it interesting how the people that are lower on the list of like, you know, Whitney keeps getting pitted against Alex Earl? Why? Why? Just because there's two people that are good. So they must go against each other. The two women against each other. The two women against each other.

Nobody's putting. You couldn't if you tried because he's so nice. But that's a thing. But that's why we saw in this week's episode, it was like the team of people that were more serious. and the fun team. And you can tell that like Andy Richter and Robert Irwin and all them, like they are, they're having a Joshabouts. Yeah.

Some of them are taking it much more seriously. Yes. And there's going to be a spectrum. But can you believe heart of the show has made it to the quarter finals? He's not going anywhere, man. And I said last week, I'm going to say it again. Andy Richter, you got to go home. At this point, I want you to surrender, you know.

He did a wonderful job in the dance. I think that he did. His partner is amazing. Beautiful gowns. And I think beautiful gowns. Oh, but the gowns, beautiful gowns. Yeah, I'm being, what was it, Aretha? That was a great point.

On Taylor Swift. On Taylor Swift. Beautiful gowns. Beautiful gowns. Once. when she was talking about like Adele and like Rihanna Out Greater Sinking boys Jennifer Hudson talking about and then Noreithia Beautiful gowns

Beautiful gowns Yeah this is a beautiful gowns situation This is a beautiful gown situation He is really trying his best And I do think that he tried to be as sentimental and emotional as he could be Yes It is crazy that the judges keep being like

and this is what dance is all about. And I will hand it to Ryder Strong and Will Friedel, who basically on their podcast, we're complaining that Daniel Fischel is not getting enough love from the judges. And they're saying the judges are biased. And they're obviously talking about Kariana Naba because she's the one every week who has something to say. And it is very obvious that Kariana Naba picks her favorites very, very, very much at the beginning.

And then consistently gives those people. very positive comments and then is like more critical to her not-favorance. Although Winawba gave her a nine. She was nice. Gave her a nine. But it's because she was ripped apart by the internet. Yes. Somebody messaged,

somebody emailed us and said that Kariana Naba was on happy pills this week because she was less bitchy than usual. I wonder it's because she's being so ripped apart on the internet that she is trying to be like, guys, can we judge, it is still a dancing reality show. Yes. But, but I, yeah, I don't know. This is the time where I wish I really did know enough about dance to be in authority, because I'm not saying you should always defer to experts,

but I do kind of want to be like, I think that the judges know a lot about dancing. And I don't think they're just trying to be mean to Danielle Fischel, which is what Sean and, and, uh, and Eric, you know, suggest. I think that they were being a little biased, I'm going to be real with you. I don't know anything about dancing, but Danielle Fischel's dance did not wow me. I actually was surprised by the nines and the eights.

I was more wow with her at the beginning. That's an ouch thing to say. I'm scared to say it. But I was surprised. What you want to see in a show like this is growth over time. And I think that maybe Danielle Fischel's problem is she came in really strong. I feel like everyone was like, wow, Topeng is doing great. And then I think she hasn't grown.

And I think that what everyone loves about Andy is that he is growing. Yes. And I think that that is legit. And trying that said and doing things that make him uncomfortable. He's doing things like like the sentimentality, like last week where he had to be a foreboding character. He is stretching in the ways that he can stretch. That's true. That's true.

That's true. I do think that at this point, I think it would be very legit for Sean and Eric to say that Danielle Fischel should stay this week. Okay. I have a controversial take, though. Go. Elaine should have been sent home this week. Or last week, because she didn't perform. She did a wonderful job.

She did. They did it to Dionne Warwick. It was like, it was a beautiful dance. She obviously cannot do what she was able to do at the beginning. Yeah. And I think now it is just a pity thing. I agree. I think even more so than Andy Richter, because at least he's the heart of the show.

She's not the heart of the show. Yeah, yeah. But she's doing, she is doing such a great job, but like, go. Like, at this point, it's like, not that I'm like, oh, you're in your 50s. That's so old. It's just that you know if you keep pushing yourself and it gets worse that that healing process is, because you're not in your 20s, it's going to take so much longer. And I don't know if it's just the old person that lives within me that I'm like,

go take care of yourself. Well, how about when Julianne asked Elaine, how is the body holding up? How's that body holding up? As if we are in the substance, like, the body is a separate entity than you. Like, how are, you are so old. But I do agree that a leg should go out. And the nines and the 10, I feel like we're a little. I think it was, I think it was a bit, I think it was a bit of a bit.

I think it was a bit. I think it was a bit of pity. The whole choreo that you can't even touch her in the, and in the whole, You can't touch her. Her toes, her foot's fucked. Now her ribs are fucked. Her torso's fucked. So it is going to be, yeah, she's probably going to go home next week.

I would have liked Danielle Fisle to say, I'm not trying to be anti-Tipanga here. I know we were hard on Topanga's Mr. Feeney dance. But I'm not anti-Tepanga. I just think it's funny that the Pod Meets World podcast is using their bully pulpit to bully Kari Annanaba. Yes. Because they think Kari Annanaba is bullying Daniel Fisiel. I just think it's very funny. To the extent that Carrie Annanaba,

apologized to Danielle Fisiel this week. It was like, if I offended you, I'm sorry. And sweet Daniel Fisiel, who does seem very nice, was just like, you to defend me. It's totally fine. She seems like the sweetest person. And so if I will Wilfredel and writer strong, I probably also would be like, she is goddamn, a goddess that walks among us. How fucking dare you? But also, that's real. And their friendship does seem very sweet. Yes, it seems very, very sweet. And I do love that. And I am, I feel sad for her, but it is kind of crazy that I feel like Elaine should probably get kicked off before Andy. Just to like, Andy's, oh my God. You think, yeah, no, no, no.

You're right. You're right. I need her, I need her to go home. You're right. But what Sherpa Cass and I were discussing this morning, because I tell you what, MJ, yeah, I got up early to watch this show this morning. Yes, I only rewound one dance to force. Jeff to watch before he left for work. And I didn't care.

And it was Jordan Childs is. Yeah. Because good Lord. Jordan Childs, because Cass and I both were like, it was a while I was re-showing it to Jeff, Cass said, I watched Jordan's dance like 12 times. And I, I, she embodied Tina Turner. She did. That the moves, there was, like, oh my God, there were multiple moves that I just, I can't even describe.

There was this one point where it was like a flip, and then she's fully on the floor. And then she pulls the whole bottom half of her body while she's laying prone, head still on the floor, pulls her whole body up. And they like, take her and like flip her up. What? No, it was cool. What? It was cool. Yeah.

Jordan Childs's dance was really cool. Whitney's was really cool again too. Wow. Whitney's was so beautiful. And Alex Earls was great. How about Flav of Flav and the chaos he brought as a judge? Now we need to talk about Flavor Flav. So Flavr Flav is, okay, things we know about Flavre Flav.

Huge fan of the American Olympic teams. Huge. He loves Jordan Childs. Huge Swifty. And now third thing we know, well, sorry, third thing we know, he doesn't like to remember women's names. He just likes to comment on the. their body and give them a nickname.

Yeah. And then four, fourth thing we know, apparently huge dancing with the stars fan. And so I actually really loved Flavr-Flave as a judge because I feel like that's exactly how I would judge if I were on this. Just like, the feet, the moves, the grace. Oh, wow. You know, it's like he doesn't know anything about dancing, so he can't really speak to it. And I love how nervous he made the judges.

Oh, my God. Such an unpredictable wildcard. And the judges were obviously so nervous and so terrified. And like, yeah, Kariata Naba kept trying to coach him for how to how to score and everything. But then he was, he threw in chaos. Like he gave, who did he give a 10 right out the gate? I think it was it Andy Richter that he gave, he gave a nine to Andy Richter, I think. Yeah, it was somebody who did it.

And then, and then he gave. Yes, he gave. 90 Richter a nine and out the gate was Dylan Efron and he gave him a 10. Yes, he gave Bill at a 10, which I'm sorry was I don't think that Dylan's dance deserved a 10. I don't think it deserved it. I thought it was fun, but Sherpa Cass did tell me that Bruno, the judge, was actually in the original I'm still standing. Yeah, bro, did you see, that was part of the, they did, you might have missed this in the interstitial. I was walking in and out.

It was the very beginning of the episode. I didn't realize. Yes, this was one of the most fun parts of this episode is that they did, that Dilladeffron danced to the Elton John song. And then in the music video, it was young Bruno in that music video. And that's very sweet, very fun. Yeah. But also, Alex Earl kind of did it for me. Oh, my God.

Yeah. I, okay, and I did say this, Shrip a Cas, and I'm not like the other bitches. Yes, I love a Pazzoble. I love a Pazzoble, and I love the Argentinian. tango. And Shurpa Kass did say it's because they're both about sex, sex, sex. And that's why I like that. Although now, I can't remember if it was cast or somebody else who told me that like, you know, last week we were talking about the brothers, Val, who is Alex Earle's partner and Max. And apparently they're not Russian. I think they're Ukrainian. So sorry for our, once again, we were Russian

racist. Although I also decided that I think, sorry. I think Russian racist should be the term anytime that you make a mistake about white people's ethnicities. Like in East, especially Eastern Europe, like, with all that. It's like, it was Russian racist of us, to call them Russian of me, to call them Russian. Yeah, we can't even say Soviet-esque anymore, you know, oh. French countries in that part of the world, and apparently they're from Ukraine. But apparently Val is a little bit of a little bit of a piss pot. And there's a lot of people suspecting that Val and Alex don't like that.

like each other. And Val and Max are like both really volatile. And so I'm just enjoying learning about who's a bitch, you know, and it sounds like there's a lot of the pros are bitches. Really? And Val might be a bit of a bitch. Okay. But then, but again, does that mean that you're going to, I looked at them. I looked at the Dancing with the Stars Tour. I looked at it. Oh, yeah, my mom and I are going to try to go. Are you really? Yeah. Yeah. Bro, you want to fly out and go with us. Kind of because I did know

I was like Jackie you know I've been really I in the last like five six years I've had a really great

renaissance of being able to do things by myself it used to be something that I would really struggle with I don't know

if I can go to the Dancing with the Stars tour show by myself I don't know if I can go I have no

I have no one in like RRL and I don't know if find anyone who will go with you. I can't even get anybody to watch the episodes with me. I, you know, I, I, I feel like, I was once like you. Not that long ago. You don't understand what it does to you. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm

afraid they're going to sell out and then I was like, or should I not be afraid of that? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But I do want to go, I do want to go see it live. Also, PSA, Robert Irwin choked on a piece of confetti. Oh my God. Did you see it? And speaking of my mom, my mom also, when I was a kid, choked on a piece of confetti at Christmas, like metal confetti. Oh my God. Oh, like the old school tinsel kind of thing? Yeah. Like, you know, well, not even old school.

I feel like those are still around the like, you know, the like, yeah, like aluminum shape, snowflake shapes, Christmas tree shapes. And one accidentally ended up in her water glass at Christmas dinner. And it was terrifying. She had to go to the hospital. Oh, my God. Really, really scary. And then, yeah, Robert Irwin, like, inhaled a piece of.

confetti and was choking on it. And he said this afterwards. He said he really couldn't breathe and he was able to cough it out. But so PSA, don't put confetti on your table at parties. And if there's confetti raining from the sky for some reason, if you are at dancing with the stars, I guess, the only time that's going to happen, close your mouth. Yeah, close your mouth. Keep that mouth closed.

I know you want to be screaming. If there's confetti, you want to be screaming. But really you got to go, mm. Show your excitement. That's closed mouth. Come and close your mouth when the confetti is pouring from the seal. No, you know, I do feel bad Daniel Fischel got kicked off, but I wasn't seeing any growth. I'm kind of fine with her getting kicked off.

And I loved, you know what? Last week I was making jokes about how excited Alfonso Ribeiro was to dance with them. But I tell you, he came alive. Of course, he had to do the Carlton, but he really, he was sending me. Like, he really, he came on. And also, we make a lot of fun of Julianne as a host. Maybe not the best host, but what a dancer. What a dancer.

I mean, the, totally. Just like the character, like, what she brought to the, I was like, ah, okay. I mean, I've seen her, like, do other things, but it's just, like, especially mixed. in with everybody else. It's like she shines. She's a dynamic performance. I could not agree more that seeing the two very awkward mid hosts do a dance. I was like, oh, that's why you're here. You're both fantastic dancers. And was it you who sent me the video of back in the day when Bindy Irwin was on it? And Derek was her partner. Yeah. I don't know if I should. Yes. I don't know if that was you or not. But I have seen it.

Derek more. I understand why he was like crying so hard when Robert Irwin did his dance with his mom. Because Derek was like, your family is so important to me. And I was like, wow, Derek Ho really loves crocodile hunter. But it's because he was partners with Robert's sister. Bindi. It's all so incestuous. And I love it. I feel like I'm in middle school again. It's just like, oh, all of these people have all relationships with each other. And this one's a bitch and this one's nice. And it's so fun. Also like the whole parisocial. part of it of like thinking about them like throughout the week like seeing each other in the studio dancing like kind of high five it like I feel like it's like we get that at the LPN studio where we're like all in different costumes and we see each other and like I love that aspect of what we do and just thinking about them all in the studio just it puts a smile on my face I can't believe that like I imagine they were probably working on it for a while like the group dances but Or are they working on it for a while?

Because you can only use the people that are left. I think it's just week. They said they have six days. I mean, and what's her name? Elaine Hendricks was like usually we have six days. And this time I took two days off. So I only have four. And I was like, you guys don't even get a day off.

You go right, right to it. Right to it. This is from, I just want to, this is your homework for next week, Jackie. You have to look, you have to look, speaking of the parissocial bit. Look at Alex Earl and Val and see if they hate each other. because this, we got this email from the Jay Nestor who said, I think Val and Alex hate each other. A few episodes ago, Julianne was asking all the pros how they feel and every pro, but one said something like, I'm just so proud of my partner. They work so hard and are so amazing.

All of them except one. When asked how he's feeling, Val said sweaty. After that, I watched them more closely and he really does not seem to like her. They never say what it's like to have each other as partners other than something along the lines of challenging. They haven't had that talk of emotionally connecting together. And honestly, I'm not sure all the others have, but at least they talk well of each other. So this is our rumor. Do we think there's tension?

Val, though, is one of the ones that is imbrewed in the controversy, right? Because he's the brother of Max, who Max was the one who was shit-talking, Yon from Erez to her. Okay. But apparently Max and Val fight all the time. They're like dancing brothers who don't, who are like authorities who don't agree at everything. So apparently that's common. They also do call him strict vow. So maybe he also keeps her at arm's length to keep it a like the kind of dynamic of, no, I need you to impress me.

Yeah. No, I need you to step up to the, to the fucking plate. And maybe that's just how he is. But I guess people are saying that, and I'm assuming that he doesn't usually. put that off with other people in the past. Even reading this, I love every communication we get from a listener about this show. If you could, if I had a genie and I could get three wishes, one of them would be to feed all the children of the world.

The next one would be to give me like a free month, just like an extra, a 13th month, where I could just go back and watch all 30 seasons of Dancing with the Stars and I want to learn all the drama. This, like, people are like, the same that Jay Nestor was like, I like, I like Max, but Nobody should throw a fellow pro under the bus except unless it's Gleb. And I'm just like, I just love the like the lore. It's so deep. It's so deep.

People hate Gleb. I just want to submerge myself in it. Exactly. I want to submerge myself. There's just so much of it. And we're never going to do that. But what a beautiful world it would be if we could. If we could just get rid of everything else and only watch dancing with the stars.

And, you know, we're not canceling the holidays. So we can't do that. We can't just call it like a dancing with the stars a Sons instead. And we can't just hide from everything and just watch dancing with the stars, right? No, you replaced. You can't do that, right, MJ? No, you can't do. You replaced your summer with Love Island.

And we're not going to let you replace the holidays with dancing. I didn't see the sun. I don't even think I, I think I went to one pool party. No, that's. It was great. And that's okay. And that was what you needed. Thank you.

But you get to have a Christmas this year. Okay. I'm going to celebrate the holidays. I've already made my first turkey, so, you know, we're already out the gate. I've already made my turkey pot pie. Second turkey, first turkey turkey, turkey pot pie leftovers. Second turkey, turkey tetrazini leftovers. So, um, I really gets, and then, you know, the turkey is usually like sandwiches and stuff. Yeah. I know you were curious and I could see that with your eyes. So I wanted to fill you in and make sure that you were fulfilled. Don't suggest I'm not curious.

I am curious. I am curious. You have to have different leftovers for all of the turkeys if you make a bunch in one month. Of course. Yeah. No, I find your compulsive turkey making fascinating because I'm sick of turkey two days after Thanksgiving. I could eat it forever. I love it. I love it.

And I love you, MJ. And I love dancing with the stars. And it does go in that order. Turkey, MJ, Dancing with Stars. That's fun. My husband. So I think that is as all, as long as we all. all know what's important in this life.

Yes. Then we can keep on, keeping on. And I hope you guys, if you're still sticking around for our Dancing with the Stars conversation, also want to say thank you to everybody that has reached out that don't give a fuck about dancing with the Stars, but have been appreciating our talk through of it. And thank you for, I would say, I feel like every week we should say, but look up this dance. And this week, I would say, look up Jordan Child's dance. I agree. I think that that was such a way of like where last week I was like, oh, it's athletic, contemporary, so she's doing all these clips.

But this time it was so much more added into the dance that really, wow, wow. Yeah, yeah. No, I agree. Give yourself a little treat. Watch some choreography and decide if you want to put up your Christmas decorations early this year, let us know. Thank you guys, always for your messages and getting feedback from you guys. is a total joy. We love seeing whether or not you care about dancing with the stars. And you can do that over at our Patreon. Patreon.com slash page seven podcast. You can email us at page seven podcast at gmail.com. You can watch

Jackie be a vampire at Vampire. The Mascared. Every Wednesday, you will get new episodes over on YouTube.com slash at LPNTV. And I will say this week's episode is the one where it starts to get very creepy. And I would recommend you check out the first episode for sure. But the second episode has a really great Amber sections. Because for those of you that are unaware and TTRPGs, there's usually many other characters. And oftentimes, the person running the game, plays all of those characters. But in our version of Vampire the Masquerade, we are bringing in different members of LPN to play different characters. And we never know as the players who's going to be there and what they're going to be. So it is exciting and it was a lot more upsetting than

I thought it was going to be. So please check it out. It is fun to be upsetting. It's fun to play different characters honestly it makes me think of like dancing with the stars like i feel like i get to put on my many hats and that is a hat that makes me that i get to be a villain and it's so much fun thank you guys so much for hanging out with us on this week's episode of second helpings oh god i wish flavor flave was a judge every week i do want to throw it out there that apparently he did accidentally give alex earl a nine he meant to give her a 10 and he held up the wrong board, and he wasn't allowed to change his judgment. And she looked upset.

She looked upset. She would have got the perfect score. She would have gotten a perfect score. And I would be upset, too. Yeah, I would have been upset. It's flavor, flave. What are you going to, you can't be mad at him. Forget it, Jughead.

It's flavor. It's flavor. It's flavor. Flav. Thank you guys so much for hanging out with us. And as always, go check out our Patreon. Patreon.com slash page 7 podcast. We are in the thick of Buffy.

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