Page 7 - Second Helpings - We've Given Up On Gempsy

Episode Date: June 28, 2025

This week on Second Helpings MJ and Jackie goss' 'bout the wonderful world of Gaggleville welcoming a baby goose, Jackie gives her blessing uponst the Impossible Hot Dog, and MJ talks about the NYC Mayoral election results, including a certain loosing candidate chuppin' a dawg!  MJ begins warmin' up to (cold) mayo, Jackie reveals her "Jackie Dog" once again, and lets MJ know how much she's having to hold back on purchasing choir merch. Jackie's rollin' in the deep with 'Love Island' and there's no goin' back and that's not even MENTIONING all the drama bleedin' into the socials of the contestants, and then some more choir chat, including some Susan chat, as well as a very awkward encounter featuring a mom trying to play matchmaker. Jackie and MJ chat about the perk of losing weirdos interests with age, SECRET BAD KID TALK, MJ started the new season of 'The Bear' and agrees with the online chatter, HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT FOR NEXT SECOND HELPINGS; watch Trainwreck: Poop Cruise!, AND MORE!!!  Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

A second. Get in there. Get deep with it because we are here to cherish your voice. No matter what vocal quality you have, we are here to celebrate you. Sorry, am I given too much choir right now? You sound like a lady who's been set bedding every Tuesday at choir. Yeah. Yeah, it does sound like I'm being a little bit of a choir bitch.

And I did say that I have already drawn the line at choir merch. I cannot start wearing choir merch. merch. I can't. No, Jackie. Because that's really, that's given into Gaggleville. Like, that's giving in to, you know, I will say, I just want to give shoutouts to Gaggleville, everybody. My, my, my, goose, my genders, yes. My, yes, my, my, my, my, my, my gays out there. I just, you, you got, you knew, you knew what I was saying. I do. And the geese and the gays. And, and we talked a lot about the wireless catalog last week and a lot of people messaged to say, you know, Gaggleville is the ultimate cattle up romp.

Oh, I got Gaggleville. And I will say that I've been really holding off from getting the baby goose. You have seen the baby goose, right? No, there's a baby goose. Oh, my God, MJ, there is a baby goose now. My children can hear you. Yes, there is a baby goose now. Gaggleville, baby goose.

Whether you want it or not, now you can get a smaller version of Gloria or your, or Gemsy, right? Is Gemsy the name? of yours? They have been renamed. They are still non-binary, but they have been renamed. I don't remember the new name. I think it's just Goosey. Great. I love it. I think Goosey is better. We've given up on Gemsy, which is fine. Yeah, I see the baby. We accept any name. Yes, the baby. So at first I was like, I mean, I can't get the baby. And I was like, there's not a lot of clothes for the baby. I can't get the baby. But now, oh no, the Etsy has heard our cries. And now the, The goose clothe tears out there are making them smaller for the babies.

And now I saw this one and there was like a net on the outside of the baby goose. And then on her head or their head, they would wear a lampshade and made the baby goose look like a lamp. Yeah. Why? Why you're not a lamp? You're a goose. The problem is, you know that if I get a baby. I'm going to have to get two babies because my kids would murder each other over the baby.

They fight everyone in my family, with the exception of Gideon, fights over the goose. People, long-time listeners might remember the time I screamed at my children, it's my goose. It is your goose. But wait, why doesn't Gideon? Is this something like, does he need to connect in a way? Maybe this is what he's missing. Have you ever asked him? Yeah, I don't, I haven't interrogated with him why he doesn't care about the goose.

I've always assumed that it's like a Midwest cultural divide, but you're not. from the Midwest. No, certainly not. I love my goose. I mean, she's almost a reason to keep waking up every morning just so I can look at her in her pride outfit. Yeah. She loves her pride outfit.

I've got a great pride outfit. I think it might be her favorite. Via Kara Sketches. Did you get, Kara Sketches from chat made a custom pride outfit for our goose? Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. Shout out to Kara's sketches. That is fabulous.

No, I got, I got another. celebratory. I like it because it came with both a bow for her head and also a bow tie. And I think that it was supposed to be like, oh, you can pick her shoes. But in my brain, it was like, no, this is the best part. All genders. All of it. Yes.

You know, I want all of it. Yeah, yeah. That goose is, is. Don't say she's cooked. Don't you dare fucking say she's cooked because she's not. I was going to say pansexual, but then on my head I was like, gender isn't sexuality. Right. And then I was like, no one needs to hear you expound on this about the goose.

And so I'm censoring myself. I do, you know, I'm not trying to say that like I don't put Ace onto Gloria, but I feel like it's something that she just really is not concerned with. Like I feel like it's something she doesn't talk like think about. Yeah. Or care about it. Yeah. Not that all eight, like that I'm not saying that people don't think about it.

It's just I feel like she's just having a good time, man. I think that she's really mostly thinking about fashion. Yeah, I think she's thinking about what holiday comes next. Yes. Yes. She is. And that is why she's begging me for her hot dog outfit. Because, yeah, it is the high holy hot dog season, everybody.

And I hope everyone is getting out there and getting their juicy dogs and their thick hogs on. Because it is our time to shine. And I'm going to say, I'm going to say it. The impossible hot dogs, real good. So good. Aren't they so good? They're real good. And I'm not saying they're good for you.

We all know they're good. for you. But I will say they are good. I love the impossible hot dogs. Also, I will refrain from talking about the NYC mayoral election, but let's just say I'm very happy. Can we just say congratulations because I think

that, you know, I feel that the hope from your city is emanating, I'm hoping, through the country because it's bleak over here. I took a screen shot of a bunch. We're fighting. There was a bunch of comments of his, on Zoran's acceptance speech, in the comments were like, that's my mayor, written from California.

That's my mayor, written from Missouri. That's my mayor, written from the UK. And so, yes, I'm very, very, very happy with the results of the NYC mayoral election. But Brad Lander, who did not win but came in a wonderful, was like an absolutely lovely, beautiful, moving coalition with Zoran, who won ate a hot dog on the cyclone. Whoa. And we think that it may have been one of the few that he also got arrested by, for trying to escort a

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But several things happened for Lander in the last few weeks

of his campaign, including this cross-endorcement was Zoron and his momentum. The Brad Mentum really picked up in the last two weeks. But Brad eating the hot dog on the cyclone. Honestly, my first reaction was choking hazard.

But that's because we know that hot dogs are major choking hazards for children. And it's so bumpy on the cyclone. You know it's a wooden coaster, all right? That it really rocks you. It is a choking. hazard and he did put ketchup on the dog. No.

So did he lose your vote? No. Wow. He did. Wow. He really lost it quickly. But that's, you know, I think maybe the PR just may have misguided him in that aspect or just like failed to tell him that he was incorrect. Yeah.

And I know that, you know, a lot of people are against my anti-chup coalition over here. Yeah. Yeah. It's a lonely coalition. But you know what? Zoran started at 1%. So you can still build. Thank you. You can build.

I'm in my corner with my husband and it was fun to watch us fight against people. Man, the pro chups really come ashining in the summer. And you think high, holy hot dog season and you know those chup heads come running. Oh, just screaming. Screaming about how it's the better of all the condiments. and I'm not here to tell you that you're wrong. If you enjoy your sugar sauce, you slap that sugar sauce all over it. I'm going to enjoy my eggy, my eggy viscous chew over here.

Oh, yeah, you put mayo on the dog, right? Remind me your toppings. I'm all for no chow. You're allowed to shame me. It's right. I'll take the shame. I have a developing relationship with mayo. I'm not anti.

I did put it in a picture. potato salad this week. How did you feel about that? I understand. Opened you up. Like, do you feel like yourself blossoming right now? I wouldn't say blossoming, but I think my heart is, is warming. Okay.

But you don't, which is dangerous because you don't want mayo to get warm. No. No, no, no. So keep your heart firmly away from your potato salad. You've got to keep it chilled. Yeah. You gotta protect your heart from those old tatas, babies, please. But you, you do, do mayo and mustard on your dog?

Yeah, I do. Yeah. And then do you do like a pickles or sourcrout or anything? Well, usually I go, like if, to be fair, my hot dog ambassadorship, part of the foundation it was built on was the Jackie Dog, which is mayo and mustard, as well as a, as well as pickled jalapenos. Oh, yeah. Quick pickled onion. That does sound fantastic. And blue cheese. So it gives it like a tang.

It's like a pickled tang. And for also people that hate blue cheese, this makes them want to curl up and die. I do get it like an aptly named hair salon. I feel you. But you got to try it sometimes. Sometimes you got to push your boundaries. Okay. Wow.

I apologize. I know I've asked you your hot dog order. And I'm upset that you forgot. I'm upset that this is not something because I said foundation upon switch my ambassadorship was built. I know. This is a, you think that this was just like a fly by night choice?

No, I know. that I just made up randomly. You put a lot of thought into it. You are the Ina Garten of Hot Dogs. Thank you. Except I'm not asleep while I listen to you. You're allowed to be.

I think most people don't really want to hear me expound upon hot dogs, but I will, I am taking the cycle back to Choir, and I'm not talking about my eggs. Yes. I'm taking it back to Choir because I did bring up Gaggleville because I'm trying to not purchase choir merch. Okay. Tell me, what is the Choir merch that you, have you found? Have you Googled it or are you just thinking about what world lays, what the potential, you know,

because I think that there must be really great choir merch out there. Oh, there is a lot of choir merch out there because, let's be real, they're really marketing not towards our age group. They're shooting a little bit higher. And maybe we all should be shooting a little bit higher. And it's like, I love that the whole like, you know, grandma core. thing has really settled into the youth. I love that, like, I feel like maybe you can't really adopt it if you're, like, heading into Grandma territory like we are at this point, or at least according to the,

of what I watch on Love Island. I am more the ages of their parents than I am of the people on the show. So that doesn't, I'm not spiraling because of that. I'm fine. But, yeah, there's definitely shirts to say, like, headed to choir rehearsal. Why don't we sing about it? It's like, it's things like that.

Oh, Christmas is going to be great this year. I'm going to have such an easier time with you. I see, don't make me use my choir voice. Don't make me use my choir voice. I'm in my choir era. Don't you worry. Oh, the swiftly, choir overlap is thick, okay? I'm trying to bring a special.

spice to choir. Maybe not every choir has the spice you're looking for, okay? You got to bring the spice yourself. Things I do in my spare time. Listen to choir. Hang out with the choir. Research the choir. Talk about the choir.

Think about the choir. Dream about the choir. Oh, no. Do I need, though? It's like, today's good mood is sponsored by choir. No, I, okay. Or what if I get choir is my cardio. Choir's my cardio came up for me.

My choir is my cardio is, that is, that's a level that I don't know that I should. I was just talking about lowering our standards last night to MJ. I was saying about how I, you know, we are talking about the hope that New York is feeling right now. And I was saying that like, we don't trust the hope. And I was like, it's because we're broken MJ. Yes. And we're never going to be fixed. And that's why we don't even trust any small amount of hope right now.

And then I did later on cut to two hours later and said, speaking of low standards, I did just cry while watching Love Island. So there's that. And this is, I know, you know, I feel like I'm threatening a conversation with Love Island today and you are going to be receiving it. I'm sorry, MJ. People need it. People want it. People are clamoring for Jackie's takes on Love Island. I'm sorry that I haven't started this journey with you.

You can't now. It's too. I can't. It's way too late. 20 episodes deep, MJ. And we are not, I don't even think we're halfway through. I, the, they are me, we are we. And now we are all together.

And I don't know what to do. It literally ended last night and I'm all caught up. And last night there was no new episode. And I came downstairs. And I was actively crying. And Jeff's like, are you okay? And I was like, it's the day off of Love Island. And he's like, babe, I don't know.

He's like, do I do, what do you need from me right now? I was like, nothing, nothing. Don't look at me. Get out of there. Get out of there. Don't look at me. Casa Moore is going to ruin them all. You don't understand what happens once they get into Casa Moore, MJ.

Everything. all, it's all, everything's gone. Every boundary has been replaced. Are they switch? Is this a location switch? Is this like in Lovis Blind when they go to Mexico? Oh, it's a location switch. But it's no, they're not going to a different island.

They're just going to different villas. I also apologize because I didn't finish my, what I wanted to say about choir, which was, sorry, can't show choir. I want to start sliding those into my regular conversations. I'm just like, um, sorry, thinking about choir. And I was listening to a part of mine yesterday over that I was like trying to work on by myself. And I was like, oh, God. Now I'm sitting here just singing like into my phone.

All the leaves are born. And the sky is great. And the sky is great. Oh, it's a great. Oh, it's a great choir song. If you were wondering. Oh, I've sang it in choir. I know.

Have you? I think that. there is a pretty small list of songs that are choir songs. My guess is that, I mean, I'm sure that they've made more since 1990. Anything can be sung by the choir. I think that you just need to be opening your heart and your mind and your throat. I'm just saying that I've also sung that song at choir. So take it or leave it. I think there's, you know, Andrew Lloyd Weber is heavily represented. I know that's not Andrew Lloyd Weber. I'm just thinking of popular big choir, you know, big hitters.

There's, you know, I think the decade of the 70s is pretty well represented. Oh, certainly. You know, it definitely is. And they are, again, they are shooting towards an older audience even with their song choices. But here's the thing. I know all these songs. And that's great thing about choir songs.

Yeah. It's like, oh, I know all the words to all of these songs. This is really working for me. And, man, oh, me and my other deep voiced bitches. just like, oh, we are just getting me and Susan. I saw Susan, did I tell you when I saw Susan at the No Kings protest? And Julie and I were just like, it's Susan from choir! And now Susan keeps coming up to us and she hugs us and she goes,

thank you for recognizing me. Oh, Susan. Never get old, never get old. And she, I love Susan. And Susan, I know Susan is 69, very nice. It's very difficult for me to not say very nice because she goes, don't turn 69. They all forget. And we're like, but we don't forget you, Susan.

We're bringing a lot of energy into the choir, you know? How fun. Okay, how fun. If you're 69 and you're Susan and you're at choir and you're kind of trying to find yourself again, maybe kids are out of the house. You know, you're like, you're newly retired. And you're like, this group of four young women are so excited. to be here and so excited to like be nice to me. Like I think that that's just, that's great.

I'm so happy for Susan. I'm happy for you guys. Man, you should be even happier for Patricia because I will say she has. She's got two sons, twins in their late 30s. One just got a divorce. And we went, she's single. And we were like, Julia, Jake out of here. And then so she brings out the phone and we're like, we're going through the pictures.

We're going through the pictures. She goes, you want to see his resume? We're like, yes. And then we're looking through the. You try to set up Patricia's son with Julia? MJ, the next choir rehearsal to get picked up. Patricia had her husband and her son come to get her. Didn't tell Julia about this.

He shows up at the end because she thought it was going to be a rom-com. But it was just uncomfortable because it was late at night and he was just coming to pick up his mom. and he didn't know he was getting set up. And she didn't know she was getting set up. And I was just like, this is what choir's all about. This is what choir's all about. I appreciate Patricia's ambition. And it's possible that her son might be perfect for Julia.

But it is a tough. He might be. It's a tough sell when you're like, I want my 39-year-old son to come pick me up from choir practice. Everyone's going to resist at that point. It's like having a teenager at that point. You're like, mom, totally help at choir. Not at choir. but maybe that's the kind of energy we need.

You know? Yes. It would be a great meet cute. Yes. How did I meet my spouse? My mom made me pick her up at choir, you know? Yes. Yes.

We need all to have a little bit more Patricia energy right now, okay? Yeah, good for Patricia. Bringing this community together. Yes. I love this. That's how you do it. I love this. Get in front of it.

But also, it's like I think that I just need this old bitch energy. Yes. And I don't, I don't mean old bitch in a like a derogatory way. I mean like in a positive fun way that it's just they are living their fucking lives, man, and they're going to say what they're going to say, and they're going to enjoy choir. And that's it. That's what Grace and Frankie was so good, right? Like there's that scene where they shoplift from the store.

And Frankie's like, no one sees us anymore. We are old women. We are disposable to society. And we can now do whatever we want. And I think about that all the time. Like, I think that there's a, please, any older women in the listenership sound off. I feel like there's, I have heard so many older women talk about this, like, freedom that comes with once you are no longer, like, shackled by the expectations of being like a pleasing sexual object for other people. It's like only then can you rise like the phoenix and reach your truest form, you know?

Yes. Bring the Patricia to your life. And it is also fun because usually, you know, in L.A., everybody, the second you meet somebody, you interchange socials, and all of them just wanted each other. Like they just, all of them have our numbers now. Every single one of these. I love this.

We've made a friend with a gaggle of older women and we're obsessed with them and they're obsessed with us. This is, I'm being sincere. This is intergenerational friendship. are so important. Yes. They are fewer and fewer in society these days. Everyone benefits.

Like, I feel like honestly, something like church, like when it used to be more common for like to have like intergenerational community spaces, it was not so weird to have a friend who's 30 years older than you. Right. And now it is, it is totally weird.

It's like not normal, you know, things are much more like, you know, isolated. And there is, and I feel like I truly actually, think that this is like such a moving and healthy thing for you guys to be doing and to be building friendships around it. I also keep thinking about how Holden's always like, oh, Jackie's so

good at charming moms. Oh, here comes the mom charmer, Jackie. He gets so angry. It's just because he's surprise very bad with parents. He's the mom alienator and Jackie's the mom charmer. Yeah, but also, I was always the drug friend that you bring with you that all the parents wouldn't think that I did all the drugs too because I would come in and all the parents would like me. And they're like, oh, my kids, they're hanging out with a good kid. It's fine. Yeah. But I was a secret bad kid. Yeah. Secret bad kid. That's how you fucking pull it off. Everybody. Eddie Haskell. Yeah, baby. Get in there. And thank you for recognizing my choirship. And I appreciate you because I will say, MJ, I think this is the only place that I talk about choir or maybe it's starting to seep into other places.

because I'm now, I just don't know, do I sign up for the show choir? Like, do I start doing the shows? I think that you should. I'm at that place. I think you should sign up for show choir. Choir has such a range of things to offer. Even before when I was talking about all the show tunes and the 70s, you know, folk songs and whatnot.

Also, I was in choirs where we just sang in Latin. And that was fun too. It's like all choir is fun. Like classic choirs, show choir, jazz choir. the more choir the better as far as I'm concerned. I'm just trying to learn how to start changing the like the Register notes. Register.

I need, that's what I want to start learning and I feel like learning just the lower register parts of songs is going to help me find the harmonies in other songs because sometimes I really hurt my voice, especially like with karaoke on Jack and on Fridays, where I try to sing places that my voice is just not comfortable singing. And I need to learn how to be better with that. So thank you everyone for listening to me, talk about choir. I want to also thank you to everybody for letting me. I did realize like I woke up in like a cold sweat in the middle of the night a couple

nights ago because I was like I talked about my week of the day, like day of the week socks. I'm fucking talking about the day of the week socks. Jackie, this is where your fucking brain is, but I will say, yes, I do currently have Thursday on. Wow. And thank you for asking and for thinking about it. Good. Good for you. That's an achievement. Thank you. I feel seen. Listen, thank you for not.

I know, I know some people are going to be like choirs and day of the week socks, but again, have you seen page six lately? I used to be cool, MJ, all right? I used to be technically very cool. Yes. Those of you who are still here listening to page seven have seen us growing up. up. And yes, we are aging millennials. And, you know, it is the best case scenario to be getting older. All the other options are worse. I mean, at the same time, you were just like, you was like, did he get the loboos? What about the labububos? I don't know if he got the labubos. And I feel, you weren't saying it like that, but I feel like I have heard the tight-lipped labubos from multiple parents in my life. Yeah, labubos are taken over our lives. If you do want to feel young,

if you want to feel in the know, let us teach you about this, which I swear I didn't hear the word Labibu until last week. And I know they've been a rat, like, but I swear to God, I picked up, Oh, it's been weeks. I know it's been weeks, but I picked up my kids. It's been weeks, MJ. Where have you even been? Oh, what are you paying attention to other things? It was one of those words. It's like when you hear a popular song and then you're like, you realize you've been hearing it for weeks, you know? I was like, I picked up the kids on Wednesday And they were like, we need labubos. Everyone at school has laboos.

We need laboos. And thus began the great like laboooo hunt. And then I was like, I feel like I just heard about these. And now I'm like, oh my God, all the ads are laboos. And then that night, Gideon had colleagues over. And one of his law colleagues was like, oh my God, you kids got laboos today. Show me. I'll show you my loboos.

So it's like a whole, it is the Beanie Baby of today. And like Beanie Babies, it's this like, it's a craze. frenzy. People are, I don't know if people are trampling each other, but it's very hard to get them. And our dollar store sells them. And we had gotten, successfully gotten to LaBuboos that did not seem like they were ripoffs. And then yesterday to celebrate the end of the year. How do you know that they're not ripoffs? Is it like in the stitching? Is it like we talking about like, you know, YSL? Are we talking Gucci here? Like, what are we looking for? I mean, I'm not the person to I'm not, I'm, I don't have an eye for stuff like this. But we had gotten to LaBoo.

day. I, but people come to us to know these things. I feel like it's like me, especially when every time Jeff looks, something goes, that's obviously AI. And I'm like, how did you know that it was? And like, he has to explain. And I'm like, oh, okay, he's like, you have to look for these things. You need, you need to know if it's AI or not. I'm like, yes, you're right. I need to start looking for these things. It's the hands. It's, oh, it's always the hands. And if you don't know, I, so Lubbubu is, there's, there are many, but it's like a little toy. And also created by Pop Mart. And also, what made it very famous was, was, La La Lisa from Black Pink had one and that's where it really exploded.

Oh, it's from La La La Lisa. That makes me like it better. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay, that's nice. I just started noticing that the slime influencers that my kids like were doing a lot of Luboo unboxing. And so it's a little toy. Whoa, they're pivoting from slime.

I mean, we always need slime. They do. It's like these two influencers who they love and who have they have met in real life, who are very lovely and nice. They're like kid. They're like, they're targeting. demographic is like the six to 10 year old girl range and they're very sweet and we did meet them in real life at an event and it was lovely but they in addition to slime they do a lot of like toy unboxing

and yes this does make me want to die but it is what youth culture is right now it's like I was saying this because they're blind boxes so you don't know which ones you're getting I was saying this to a parent of younger kids and they were like what are you talking about but it's like this is yeah so it's like LOL surprise I was talking to a father and to be fair the child's only probably like eight months old. And he looked at me when I brought up La Boo Boo, he's like, what the fuck is a LaBoo? Like as if it, and I was like, no, no, no, no.

Don't you say this? Like, I'm a crazy. I was like, this is fucking everywhere. This is not like some huge fucking thing. It is everywhere right now. You are the one that is not paying attention to pop culture right now. Yes. And so unboxing videos on YouTube are very, very, very, very big.

And so it's like LOL surprise, but not even LOLs anymore. Now it's like these mini brands. But it's like an LOL surprise. It's a ball. And there's like a zipper of plastic that you unzip. And then you open up the ball. And then there's a million tiny packages. And the whole toy, all toys right now are designed to be YouTube.

It's all, they're designed to be unboxed. And it's, there's so much packaging. And there is so many little, little, and everything's important. And there's like every little tiny accessory. And so mini brands are these little tiny, it's like a little tiny hamburger and a little tiny drink and a little tiny. Oh, God. And it's all tiny. so important. And Labubo, there's so many Labubo's unboxing that's supposed to be a surprise,

but it's made by Pop Mart. It's a little keychain, but also you can get bigger ones. You can pay like $400 for some Labuboos. The dollar store has them for $15. Yesterday we got some scam Labubos, and we know they are scam because the tag says Pop Mart and the little keychain, they all have like a little keychain so you can link them on your backpack. And Zelda, who just learned how to read, is like, Pop-Mobbed. And I was like, No, no. She got poo cramped. She got poo cramped.

Oh, no. The baby got poo cramped. It says P-O-P-M-A-B-T instead of Pop-M-A-B-T. Pop-Mobbed. Pop-mobbed. That's so funny. Well, they are, apparently, the Internet's calling them La-Fou-Foos. So you got to yourself a couple of La-Fu-Fu-S, and today, you're going to get a couple of La-Bub-Boo's, huh?

Yeah, so right, right, before we started recording, I got a notification that, some la-boos that we ordered online had arrived and I was like, get here and go get the La-Buboos! Because, you know, MJ, if you had said we can't do the episode, I have to go get libuboos. I mean, what am I going to? I do the episode without you. I, yes, you got to get the loboos. I mean, my mother went and got me a Furby the year that people were killing people over Furbys. So, you know, when there's a will, there's a fucking way. Yeah, that's the thing. I'm like, who am I? At first, when they were like, I picked them up and they just, they didn't even say hello. They were just like, we need loboos now. And I was about to go off on a lecture about how we don't need whatever.

And then I was like, you know what? I remember being a kid. And I made my mom drive me 30 minutes to the nearest city to get mini babies. Like, but it was fun. And my mom, to her great credit, was like, let's make a day of it. Let's go get lunch. We did it together. That was a thing. That's always what we did. Exactly. MJ, my mom would like pick me up. I remember she would pick me up. right after we had moved from New York so I was so upset I had no friends and my mom would pick me up every day and we would go on hunts

for different being because I had all the magazines yes I had all the magazines of me like going through which ones I would want and then I would go hunting for them but then we would like get a frozen yogurt you know like we always made it a thing yeah yeah so we so the New York version of that

is like all right let's like Get here, drop everything. I got out of that out. Run downstairs before someone steals the labubes. No, it was, in fact, we couldn't find any this day that they wanted. And then we went to karate practice. Oh, God, no. At karate practice, a kid had a laboo.

And this kid, and so Freddie was like, look, that kid has a laboooooo at, like, a fifth grader. And I was like, ask her where she got it. And so Freddie was like, where did you get your liboo? And the kid was like the dollar store. And I was like, we've already been to the dollar store. We looked everywhere. And she goes, you've got to ask behind the counter. So that's how important they are.

They are not on the shelves at the dollar store. They are behind the counter. Where they keep the cigarettes. Oh, wow. Good. And the counterfeit laboos, which we know at least. Some of them seem to be real. And several of them are very counterfeit. And that's fine.

You know, you win some, you lose some. Yeah, you're right, man. Sometimes you get a loo foo, but you're not going to know. So you open that fucking box. Really depends on the day of what you're going to begin. Pop-Bop. I love fighting out that way. It's so cute.

And it does, it does kind of make me, it does give me reminiscinges of the rat story you told me a little bit earlier that I would love to hear. Oh yeah. Well. About your children. I want to first shout out the person who commented on an old Instagram real of mine today to tell me not to worry about the hanta virus, which I'm terrified of because I live above a restaurant and there's no rats in the house. But there's, you know, I live above a bodega and a restaurant. and there is, that's, you know, it's New York City. It's, it's fine.

There is a, there is a, there is a rat, you know, it's a, the rat, we share. It's a rat town. It's a rat town. Yes, yeah, you share space with the rats. We share space with the rats. And specifically the, the, there's like a gate between, you know, in front of our door where the garbage goes. And that's the garbage area is really where the, that's the, that's the rat's area.

I mean, that's their play place, you know, that's where they worry about where the hypodermic needles are, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we recently rebated the rat traps and we're trying to assault the rat problem head on. But I was bringing the kids home yesterday from school. And it is a heat wave.

Very do the right thing. Levels of heat wave here in New York City. Oh, I love it. When all the fire hydrants get cracked where it's just, I love that. And it's like it's a special time in New York City right now because it's a heat wave. And also there was just this huge mayoral surprise victory. And so the vibes are immaculate despite this. It was 103 degrees.

And so we were walking home and I had the kids backpacks with me on my shoulder. And we got to the gate and the kids started screaming. And I leapt back and I was like, what? What? Are they screaming? Rat, rat! And so there was a dead rat right in front of the gate. And you're not getting haunted.

You're getting haunted. That's what your problem is. Uh-oh. I got haunted. And so I did what Eddie. grown adult who has two children with them duds and I called my husband screaming. And I said, rat, rat, rat, rat. And you're just like, thank God I have a partner that can come and deal with these.

Like, I feel like it really comes down to as long as someone in the partnership is down to come pick up the dead rat. That's the thing, yeah. You need one in the family that is going to pick up the dead rat. And I think that that is, I would call it in our family, I would call it like the daddy tax. when we had babies, I made him do the snot snuck sucking because I was like, I grew and birthed the babies, you have to suck the snout out of their noses. There you go. And so I think that, you know, every so I don't, healthy boundaries.

I like it. I just literally was like, I would have taken care of the rat myself, but kids were like refusing to go past it. And they were like, you need to carry us past it. And I was like, I can't carry you both past the rat. And I can't carry one of you in at a time because then you'll be close to the rat. You'll be by yourself and you'll be freaking out more. So I was like, it was like, it was like, it was like,

like a logic problem, you know, where you're like, how do you have, like, you have these two things that you need to get to this one area and you can't leave one behind and you can only carry one at a time, you know, I was like, I don't know how we get past the rat. Everything is lava. It's not just the floor. The ceilings are lava. The children are lava. What do you do? Yes. If Gideon had been at court, we would still be standing outside right now. We would have never made it in. To this day and they never moved again. Now, you know, something that I will say is giving me the opposite of vibes of what you just described. That would be the smut audiobook that Walton Goggins has just been tapped to narrate,

and that is via Jimmy Johns. Yes, Jimmy Johns, the sandwich company. This just broke out, MJ, and I needed to let you know that Jimmy Johns has hired Walton Goggins to do an audiobook of the Blasie. and the brine, which is a two-part Romanticie audiobook. And I, ever since, and it wasn't Jimmy Johns' fault, but ever since I got food poisoning from the sprouts on a Jimmy John sandwich that now I will forever always bring up that you must never let your sprouts become room

temperature because they will make you sick. But maybe I would because you have to be, I think you have to be a reward. member to get it, but listen to what this is about. MJ is so much right now, and I'm really having a hard time. I know. Okay. I'm coming at you with a lot. Okay.

So Walton Goggins is going to be narrating this audiobook that is set in the sandwich kingdom. Part one of the blade and the brine follows a Jimmy John's delivery girl named Viola who learns she is destined to become Queen Mayo. In part two, Viola must choose between, well, this is a spoiler, everybody, must choose between two suitors, Lord Mayo, her protector who captivates her in part one, or Lord Pickle, who is dark and mysterious. Obviously, you go with Lord Pickle over Lord Mayo. I mean, if anybody's shaped like a schlong. And also, I mean, it's given Reese, it's given, I mean, it's what you love and what you need.

You love an enemy's the lovers. Okay, I'm sorry to rain on your parade right now, Jackie, but I'm now already upset. I'm already upset. I am swinging in on a chandelier to say that I think that this might be annoying. You're a bastard. You're being a bastard right now. It's a Jimmy John's commercial. Ouch, owch.

It's a commercial. Ouch, it's a great commercial. Everything's a commercial. Apparently, his boys are a commercial. No. Walton Goggins is a commercial. No, they said that everything's a commercial. It's going to have things like rivers of kick and ranch,

glided through hills of crusted parmesan. Everything's a commercial. The mini brand toys I was talking about, they're branded products. It's like you open up and there's like a White Castle burger. That's the only way to smile anymore, MJ. It's only retail therapy, MJ. It's all we've got.

And we can't even do a lot of it. We can't even do a lot of it. And so all I want is you mean I get, for one price, I get a sandwich and Walton Goggins reading me about how I'm going to become the queen male? Because I said Viola, but we all heard Jackie. You know that this story is big.

This is a sign that I'm moving in the right direction. MJ. Because you would be very good at this work. Is that what you're saying? Somebody should pay you to do a sexy smut audiobook for Jimmy Johns. That I agree with. And Walton Gaggins, I don't think you need the money, but go get it. Get that cheddar.

Get it. I don't. this does not upset me about him. Doesn't even upset me that Jimmy, this is a creative commercial. I am intrigued by the smut thing because it is an acronym, summer menu of ultimate temptation.

Summer menu of ultimate temptation. I mean, you do know, I love a woman in total control of herself. You know I love a witch. But I, charisma, uniqueness, nerve and talent. I am. But like that's, what if they had

like a charisma, unique nerve and talent thing? at Jimmy Johns, you'd be like, why is Jimmy Johns doing this? I, yeah, I'm, I, I guess, I mean, I guess props to them for being like, well, sure, we'll make a joke on smut in this, in this political environment, you know, of puritanical stuff, I guess. Oh, yeah. Make it, make the sandwich commercial, a smut audiobook, I guess. But I don't know.

Where are we in life, Jackie? I will say people really, you know, here on page seven, I feel like oftentimes we're just like, oh, that's a fun collab. Look at this fun collab. The internet really loses its mind in quite a spectrum for these celeb collabs. Like apparently, so like two days ago, Jeff was like, did you hear about the Sydney-Sweeney bathwater soap thing? And I was like, oh, yeah, a while ago. I was like, yeah, that was a while ago.

And he's like, the internet is still screaming about it, by the way. There's still like the people like, oh, oh, what is she just a hooker? Like it's like there's that. It's like, it is in such a, and I understand that that's not the word we use anymore. I was using it. I'm sure that's the word they're using. That's what I'm saying. Like it is just that kind of where you're just like, it's just like, it's just a PR thing.

Like it's guys. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, and you know what? You're right. And I was totally in favor of Sydney, sweetie selling her own bathwater. So perhaps I need to check the reaction that I'm having about this. And go ahead and say, good job, Walt and Gaggins.

Yeah. is fine. This is fun. But I understand why you feel that way because it is such like a blatant of like, you're just trying to get me to buy your shit. You're all just trying to get me to buy your shit. I see everybody. I see. And I feel like sometimes we get to like a place of like, oh no, are we becoming the kujos? I think. Yeah, I spent so much time when my kids for so long, you know, the good thing about streaming content is they never really saw ads. And now that they watch YouTube, they see a lot of ads. And so I spend a lot of, and after every ad, they will say, do we like that? And usually it's like a mutual bank, you know, like, I don't even know

that. Like, it's like a investment firm. And I'm like, we don't care about that one way or the other. Or like, but I'm trying to teach them like the ad might not always be telling you the truth. The ad is trying to tell you about a feeling that feels good so that you'll buy the thing so that you will have a good feeling. And it's so insane what parenting encompasses. It's like you have to have such an, it's like that you happen. to have the knowledge of PR that you can at least, like, and you've discussed this before, but I feel like it's like you get a hundred million questions from your children all the time, and you're supposed to, although, I mean, technically I do do this to Jeff, because I do assume

he knows at least something about absolutely everything, and usually he does. And if I ask him something he doesn't know about, he'll go find out about it. And I guess I treat him in that. I just assume, you know, you just tell me what it is. Oh, well, that's, I mean, this is the thing. I could explain why advertising is like is so powerful to my kids but if they ask me like what does a bee do I'm like uh spreads pollen I don't know how something with the queen like so there's this is a particular area of strength of mine because I studied like media in it when I was in school however what do you do when they ask like how do they quantify sales tax like oh yeah no exactly well I guess it depends on the state it depends on

why do we have money I don't know man that's a big I don't know what is fog I know I think it's a cloud that you see

what is the cloud but yeah but also I know that I'm not I don't mean to sound smug because I know I'm not above this I know I've talked on the show all the time I can critique a television ad and if it is an Instagram ad

I'm like this cleaning product will make me a better mother, you know, like I am, I am so vulnerable to the, this product will give you a feeling thing. And so I think that this Jimmy John's product is trying to give us a feeling of fun smut and Walton Gagins, all of which are fun things. And there's, and I, and I'm trying to tell the kids, there's nothing wrong with an ad. You just have to know it's an ad. Right. You have to just know what they're doing to you. And then you get to decide, will this mutual aid fund make me happy or not, you know. Just wait until they start broadcasting the ads just right into your brain and then you can

never shut it off. You know, we know that this is what we're careening towards. You know where what we see in the future, MJ. And you know, this is, this is coming from a society where on Love Island last night, during the episode, they had to put up a placard that said like, hey guys, the operative word in Love Island is love. How about we stop with the brutal harassment and cyber bullying? Because for those of you that don't know,

on Love Island, right? These beautiful people are all put into this villa, but also their phones are taken away. So they have no access to the outside world. So what a large portion of this. And of course, anyone that watches Big Brothers

or something like you're used to this kind of world. But I'm just trying to explain for anyone that's like what, okay, explain then what exactly Love Island is. Obviously, it is a bunch of hot people put into a home that you watch inside of a fishbowl being like, do they go to fuck? Are they going to fuck? Which is not how I watch it. Usually I'm busy making fun of their tattoos. But that, I feel like if you have a cherub with an AK-47 on your chest, I'm going to make a joke about the cherub with an AK-47 on your chest. But, I feel like I'm not saying, like, I'm not, you know, I'm not going on the internet saying it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm saying it directly at them. I'm saying it inside of my home to myself. I did just say it into a microphone. But I'm also not saying things that are brutally, like I don't think any of these people should end their lives. I don't think it is a reality show that a national, huge television had to go on and say, hey guys, can everybody please lighten the fuck up? Because there's, we understand, it's a hotbed out here, guys.

Okay, we get it. But can you not? Because now the islanders, when they get kicked out of the villa, apparently there is a psychiatric hold now before they are released back into the world because they get their phones back and all of their socials are usually run by, like they ask friends to run it

for them so that they're staying on top of things. Like, I think that it was Huda's friends came out and Huda's the one that has gotten so, so, so much shit. Even I know about Huda. Yes, and her friends are like, we're trying to delete as many death threats as we can and they can't even keep up with it.

That is, it is such, to such an extent that is, I, I, I'm bloated. Like, I am having fun watching this stupid show. It is putting a smile on my face. I laugh and I laugh. Literally last night, I was just yelling at the screen like, bitch, don't you stand up for his ass? Don't you fucking stand up for his ass? You fucking better not, bitch.

Like, I'm getting, and by myself, I'm getting so into the show. Can't we? Why do you have to destroy? Why do we have to destroy everything, guys? Too much feedback. We've entered the realm of too much feedback. It's too much feedback. It's too much.

I am dying. You're diplomatically saying, I don't think any of these people should end their lives. I think that's where we. Yeah. Like, I just, it is. No, there's two. For years, I sang the praises of the internet for the democratization of voices. and how lovely that the regular old person on the internet can now talk directly to Courtney Love or whoever it might be.

And that was fun for a while. And now I say put it back in the box. Back, put that LaFoofoo back in the box. That's a pop-mop. Yeah. I see I know a pop-mopped. Re-box it. Re-box the feedback.

And of course, of course, people should be called out. People should be held to account. Yes, of course they should. constructive criticism. When things happen on love is blind, we make fun of people and especially if people are bad, like bad men. Bad men should be, stop being bad men. Sometimes tell them to stop being a bad men.

Sometimes it makes them a better man. Unfortunately, sometimes it makes them a worse man. You're really rolling the dice on that one. I just think the idea that you get off of filming a reality show and then you need to be in a psych hold while you deal with the amount of messages that you are getting. And also, they don't even know because this is the craziest part, which I think would actually break my brain. Because, you know, of course, everyone's like, they sign up, right, they sign up. It's like, well, yes, they signed up to be on the show.

They didn't sign up for death threats. And I know, now I feel like. People don't know. People who, if you haven't had an experience with any level of, like, platform, you cannot prepare. You do not know what's about to happen. Sorry to interrupt, but you know what I mean. They didn't sign up for it because they didn't know. you do not know what you do not know. And the amount of feedback we get, which on a show that is not

objectively famous. No, I mean, no, no way or not. It is hard for, it is, it is hard on the soul and on the psyche. And that is at a low, so people, and if you are just living a normal life and you've never had strangers on the internet, making fun of, not even making fun, that makes it sound lighthearted. Targeting your exact, exactly, everything about who you are and hating you for. exactly who you are. You don't know what that's going to be like. And then to get that on a mass scale, like, of course they're, and I'm glad they're in a psych hold. And also, what I find so fascinating, I think what intrigues me, because I've never gotten into like a big brother before, is that they don't know what the internet is harping on. Like, I, you have no

idea what you're getting ripped apart for. Like, Huda obviously knows she's most likely getting absolutely ripped apart on the internet. And, you know, she's aware she doesn't know to what extent exactly. But she knows she is. But it's like Nick with the like Mommy, Mamasita, dogs?

Was it dogs? Did I tell you about this? I can't remember if I was telling you about this or I was telling Kara about this. This was a man that was told. She was like, she goes, I'm a mommy. And he goes, Mama, Mommy.

Mamasita. And then pause. you mean dogs? And she just kept being like, I'm a mom, and he's like, baby? Human baby?

Like he didn't understand. So funny to be a, I'm not saying you're not a mom of dogs if you're a dog parent. I have no problem with people calling them their babies and saying they're, but it would be very funny to introduce yourself as a mother. As a mom and you just like in that context.

Oh, of dogs. Yeah, of dogs. And it is like that moment he also, Nick is like Loki one of the fun, like he was there was a like he kind of monologued about being addicted to hippos for a while. And I just really leaned into that. But the show is just, it keeps surprising me. There's a lot of like, there's like people, but I don't, I'm not a part of like the world of like the voting because there's also like America votes to like fuck with them. essentially like with the coupling up. And I did, like I confessed earlier, cry during the episode yesterday.

And I needed to confess this because I feel like if you're crying alone to love Island, it's a problem. If you're crying and you're telling everybody about it, then it's not a problem. Yeah, then it shifts into something else, certainly. Yes. And I feel like it's fine. And it was, to be fair, because someone I love was getting kicked off the show. Yeah. I get it.

I voted, the last time I voted on a reality show, it was 2003, and it was for Clay Aiken, season three of American Idol. Oh, wow. That was huge for you. You were an Aikenator. I was an Akinator. And he lost to Rubin Stuttered. And that was really my first.

Did you feel like you were partially responsible? Like, did you feel a part of it? Like, maybe this was where you began in your world of, you know, I'm so connected, but I voted. Yeah, yeah, no, it was my first electoral disappointment with many to follow. Of many. Oh, there's so many out there. Yeah, yeah. This was before I could actually vote. So it was my, it was my friend. And then promptly voted in the 2004 election and got soundly disappointed. So, yeah, no, I understand. And I think it's fine. I think it, I love that this is your summer. You are having a summer of, of coping. And I think, no sun summer. No sun summer. Grief, grief isn't linear. summer. Thank you. And so I think it's totally fine that you are having emotions about Love Island. I do feel bad. Like, this is why I was saying I don't think anyone to go on Love is Blind anymore.

I don't think I can enjoy it because everyone's lives are ruined afterwards. And I don't want that for them. I don't want that for them. No one, like very few people deserve to be psychologically broken like that. A couple of people do. Don't get me wrong. Some people really deserve to be. As far as I know, no one on this villain. And don't get me wrong, there's, of course, like, the villains in the, like, you know, I'm not saying, it's like, they ain't all cut from the same cloth, obviously. Totally. But unless you are like active, unless you are in a position of power where you're actively harming people, that's what I reserve my, like, most, like, people who are using, who are fascists, racists, Nazis, or, you know, fascists in power, those people deserve to be

psychologically broken. But you know, I feel the most bad for? Am I. because Amaya apparently word on the because I am thick in the talk of Love Island. It is I am so thick into it. Apparently Amaya didn't have her friends run her socials while she was gone. So she is really going to be coming back to no filter to just and they're like following like there's all these like following like the size growths of all of their, all of their socials and comparing all of that. Like, it's insane. Also, like, all of these people are, like, not even old enough to rent a car, you know, because they're brave. Or at least without the extra insurance. Because, like, car rental companies know that, like, really big, life-changing decisions should be left to the, to people who have fully developed frontal cortexes or whatever. And then, you know, that's the other thing is, like, I can't even really, like, have fun with, like, a young person being reckless.

online and, you know, or like, you know, tanking their reputation because I'm just like, you do not, just like you don't know what it's like to be cyber bullied by hundreds of people if it hasn't happened to you before, that you also, you just, now you're making a decision that you like can't undo, you know, and now you're entering like young adulthood or continuing your young. You know, they're not children. They are adults. But it's like now there is this, how do you move on from that experience? Especially like down to the fact that they're all wearing only bikinis or or, you know, bathing suits through a lot of it or really skimpy clothes.

And this poor woman who came in as a bombshell for Casa Amor, they always are bringing in bombshells. And so they bring in the new people. And there's this new bombshell. And she has had a lot of work done and a lot of noticeable work done. And then she said in the episode that she's 21 years old, and the internet is ripping her apart. Because, and it is, I'm just seeing, like, and like, I'm trying to not, the eye it lingers on, like, the old of those, like, the plastic surgeons, like, ripping apart where she went wrong. Like, this episode dropped two days ago. And now it's just all this content of what is wrong with this 21-year-old's face.

I can't, I don't know if I could recover from that. I don't know if I could. And I know that's why I would never go on a show like that, but like it's already scary enough to have a platform. Totally. No, I really don't. Let alone that. This is slightly unrelated, but go with me, if you will.

I just saw like a, like shows you really that are different algorithms. I get, I have a lot of pediatricians in my feed and sometimes they'll do. Oh, yeah. I'm sure they're coming out of the woodwork. They're talking about Love Island. mean like don't raise them into this. No, but like nice, like there's a couple of just like really nice, lovely TikTok doctors and they'll do like a pediatrician reacts to like common parent influencer videos. It'll be like this parent influencer does this and they react.

And there was just like this video of a person who was like, here's how I get my daily water and they had this big jug and they were adding a bunch of different like of the little powder packets to it. You know, like the electrolyte packets. And, you know, so it was whatever. They were adding different flavors to their water. and this was it was a pediatric, it was a doctor reacting to this video because this poor woman had made this video of like, look at how I get my

water and had added several packets of things to the water and all of the thousands of comments being like you fat ass, it's all sugar, it's all sugar, you're poisoning yourself. That's not water, that's sugar, you bitch, like crazy. And this doctor reacted to the video and was like

if you put in add-ins in your water, it's fine. Like even if you have sugar, like it's still water. And if helps you drink a lot more water and you feel better, like, from a medical point of you, like, that's fine. It's good to drink stuff that tastes good to you. And if this, like, why are we, and I just like kept thinking about it because it's like, I don't, it's so weird that this is what culture is right now. Yeah. Feedback. Feedback. Feedback. And it's like, Holden used to always talk about the comments on articles. And sometimes I was like, comments don't matter. But now it's just like

everything is a comment. The article itself is a collection of comments. The article itself is a collection of posts and just, I don't know, there's something about like video after video after video making fun of this one woman from Love Island and her facelift. I'm just like, what if, I don't know, it's just a, it's a, I know we've been talking about this for a little while now on page seven, but it is like a noticeable aspect of our pop culture right now that's really hard to reckon with, you know? And it is like, where does it like, where does it end? Like, is it just going to get worse or we as a community, as a society, go. going to choose to be better about it.

That's the thing. I don't know how it ends. I don't know. I don't know. But, you know, I will say, you know what? I'm going to shout out Mama sausage fingers over on the Patreon because I will say there's also a finesse to a comment as well that even when we were talking about celebrities, which also go get your poll in if you would like to vote for our next episode.

And I'm pretty sure it's looking like Gary Fisher's wishful drinking, which I hope it is because I'm already listening to it. I'm already listening to it, and it's so good. So good. But one of the options was the Bruce Springsteen book, and everyone knows, because I think I'm making no bones about my brain space right now, that I have been having a little bit of a struggle time.

And I appreciate you, Mama's Lodged Fingers, because you said, the Bruce book is amazing, but it probably isn't the best book for celebrities. It gets pretty emotional. That is a way to say that they didn't say, Jackie, you're too fucked up right now to be able to fucking hand. this, you pansy ass idiot, but maybe in the future you might think you could have strength.

And like, I feel like there are so, like, there are so many comments that would be written like that and that I want to say thank you. And also to the many thousands of you that leave positive comments, I just want to say, I appreciate you. Absolutely. Because it also takes time out of your day for you to do that. And we do appreciate because this. This does, our world does thrive on feedback. Yeah. And I like open communication. And you know that because of April Reels Day.

Like, you know that I enjoy open communication. I like having it being two ways. Yeah. It's just, it's the like, it's the go get. Like, that's insane. Because she's crying on Love Island. Yeah. And to be fair, yes, it was an emotionally abusive relationship that it ended up.

becoming yes but it doesn't meet give her let's it's a lot yeah I imagine yeah it's a lot yeah yeah it's just it's very it's just it's like we're at this we've reached this singularity now where in addition to pop culture being like the things people make uh like the things professionals make like music and movies and shows pop culture is also the things normal people make which is cool like TikTok and you know Instagram and stuff. It's very cool that a lot of the things that are, that what YouTube, that what pop culture is is so democratized. Like the fact that these like little slime influencers that my kids love are making a career out of this. I'm so happy for them.

I think it's wonderful. Yes. And I mean, honestly, look at us. Totally. Like we get to be fun and weird for a living. And that's a wonderful get. But then sometimes people will, then we get to rip you up. Yeah. It's just that in exchange, it's like this deal with the double where it's like an exchange for Like, like, pop culture now gets to be, like, created by the people. It's just that you also, in exchange for that, you have to, like, just have to deal with people telling you exactly what they hate about you all the time. And, like, that's an exchange that an adult is capable of making. It's not an, it's a deal of adult is capable of making, not one that a child is capable of making, which is why I don't, which is why I'm glad that I think things are trending away from kid.

Doing that's a kid. Yes. Trending away from putting your kids online. Yes. I think that it's becoming clear that the mental health ramifications of this are, if they are hard on adults, then they certainly are not meant to be targeted at girls, ages 12 to 18. Or in their early 20s, you poor villa babies. I know.

I know they're not babies. I know. I just at a point that now I'm so invested in their lives that I'm feeling like I'm becoming like a bit of a mother figure. And I... You're the Susan and Patricia too there. I'm the Susan of the villa. You're the Susan. Never the 37.

They'll never look as you again. Don't look this way. Never be 37. And then I'll finally be able to succumb into my Mariah. I mean, they were talking about... One of the women was talking about her mom was 51 years old. And I'm like, I am closer to their mother's age. Yeah.

Their parents age. then I am, I'm, and that's, I'm, I'm fine with it. I know, I started, I'm not spirally. MJ, I've never spiraled a moment in my life. I started Carrie Fisher's memoir and at one point she's, I think she said she's 55. She's 52. She's 52, you're kidding me. She's 52.

I, I, I, I, yeah, no, okay. Yeah, I'll be, I'll be, I'll be, I'm not going to hear from me for a little while. I'm going to be in a whole. Perspective is interesting. Yes, no, perspective is definitely interesting. but then, you know, there are, I'm just sprinkling and I'm here at the very end that Carrie Coon has brought up multiple times

that she keeps getting offered older roles and that's because she won't get Botox. And I think that she's like, that's just the industry's way of being like, but if you got Botox? How old is she? She's 44. Bro. Yep. And she's stunning. Oh my goodness.

This is what's happened, MJ. This is what's happening. This is our reality and we just need to accept it. And that's why we do things like go to choir and we buy baby geese and they're just, you just do a little bit of retail therapy sometimes can go a long way. Or at least retail therapy for an experience, I will say. Even I was like, I can't do show choir. I can't do show choir.

Shouldn't spend the money on show choir. And Jeff just like held my face. He's like, can you quantify how much joy you have been having? Good point, Jeff. You're right. You're right. You can't put a price on show choir. You can't put a price on show choir, but you can.

But they won't tell us how much it is. And I have to wait for registration. There's going to be a price. And they won't tell me out as I have to wait. Literally, registration opens tomorrow. And then I'll find out. So guys, put it out there into the universe that it's going to be a number that I can accept so I can join show choir. And please have a great weekend, everybody.

Thank you all for joining us here on Second Helpings. MJ, I apologize. I didn't mean to steer us into the end of this. I also didn't even ask, did you watch anything? I apologize. I just took the villa. Sometimes I see only the villa and it is difficult but also beautiful. Steer the ship?

No, I watched. I started the bear, the new season of the bear. Oh, what are we thinking? I'm hearing that the season's better than less. I'm remembering that I didn't, that I was kind of like not unhappy but also not super into the last season. You know what it was? I felt like now looking back on it, I just felt like the PR was so forced for a season that wasn't as good as the first two. But it was very good. It just wasn't like, like, I feel like it was one of those that it was so like, the hottest of the hot of summer. And then it didn't live up to the hype. So I think now I'm going to really enjoy this season because I've been brought down back down to reality.

Totally. I think, and I have faith that it will continue to be a good show. But also, I think, yeah, it's like shows suffer from the, like, when you have, like, the first two seasons are incredible. You know, it's like maybe not every season is going to be incredible. It's hard enough to have a second amazing season. Right, right, right. And I...

But it was still better, way better than anything I can remake. You know what I mean? Like, it's not like... Yeah, no, it's a fantastic show that I'm so glad exists. But, yeah, so I'm glad to be starting season four. I'm watching a body in the snow, the trial of Karen Reed, if you are a true. crime person, a fascinating, fascinating, fascinating story. I wasn't following this story, but the moment that she, I mean, I don't want to, spoiler

alert, whatever happens with her trial. Tara sat and told me everything, because I, she was like, oh my God, where have you been? Because I live over here. You know, I live on the villa. I live in this land. I live in the villa. And if you want to ask me about the villa, I'll, I can tell you about it. But this is a huge trial, but how is the doc?

It's fun. I mean, yeah. Similarly, I did not pay attention to the story at all until I saw the verdict. And then I saw a bunch of people being like, if you don't know what this story is, here's the basics of it. And if you don't know what the story is, the basics are, this woman was accused of killing her cop boyfriend. But it was her batting the Boston police. And so. All there's every, but it's all, it's all a cop cover up. So it was her battling the Boston police. Yes. That's insane. Yeah. So it's like it's almost like it's too soon to even, you know, it's a very straightforward true crime documentary. I know because this like just.

It just happened. Yeah. But it's if you like true crime documentaries, this is a fascinating one. And then Jackie, here is our homework for next week. Netflix is train wreck colon poop cruise. Whoa. And I don't know why they're not calling it shipwreck because it's about a fucking boat. Or shipwreck.

Or shipwreck. Please. But it is about the, I think it just came out a few days ago, and it is about the infamous 2013 poop cruise. I have watched already. There is a small dock on the poop cruise on YouTube that I watched a couple of because I will say this was an era of time where I thought Jeff and I should go on a cruise. And then Jeff just proceeded to show me all the reasons why we might want it on it. Also the fact that we wouldn't drink and I feel like that's... Yeah, if you're not going to be drinking all day, I don't know if it's worth it.

But it is, I mean, listen, cruise people, don't get mad at me. No, no, because I love a cruise. And I love the idea of a cruise. I just know that I would be like an Irish immigrant in the hull of the ship vomiting the entire time. And also, MJ, we're both such a puky people. I say I want to go on a cruise, but that was the first of Jeff was like, you would be sick the entire time. I was like, I'll get one of the bracelets. No, the bracelets don't do shit.

They're not strong enough for that. He's like, you're terrified of the water and you throw up your nauseous all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now, but I'm going to watch this documentary and it's going to make me feel proud that I'll live, that I can't go on a cruise. It's new. It's on Netflix. And it is called train wreck, colon, cruise. We need it.

And again, shit wreck was right there. It was right there. It's not a train. It's right there. But they probably couldn't call it shit wreck, even though we all know that it's the perfect name for it. I mean, they call it Poop Cruise. Yeah. But yeah, so I would like us all, listeners, you included, to watch Train Rec, colon, poop cruise by next second helping.

Sorry, I literally just am looking up because I started thinking cruises. And I was like, why are we talking about cruises? And I was like, because of Dr. Odyssey. And I was like, wait, did Dr. Odyssey get picked up for a season two? and we still don't know if it's been renewed for a season two. It is still in limbo. You are the only person I know who watched Dr. Addison, although we did get several listeners who said that they watch it too.

I know I'm not alone. It is such a stupid show. And that's why I was like, we could go on a cruise. But this is my problem. I start watching a show. And then I'm like, I can live in this world. It's like, yeah, well, you also can. can't make it to Gondor either.

Like, I know that there's no way I can ever traverse, you know, difficult terrain to accomplish a task. You know what I mean? Like, no one's going to ever ask me. Yeah. And I don't know why. Yeah, well, you do. Put me in, MJ. I'm ready to play.

But thank you so much. All right, then we'll all watch poop crews. We'll get pooped. And I am excited to get pooped for next weekend. pooped with Jake. I'm excited that he will be back and I am looking forward to whatever world he's going to open up for us. I know it's not going to just be more horsewomen, but maybe it is. Yeah, we should tell Jake to watch poop crews too. Oh, we should tell you to watch poop crews. All right, everybody. Thank you so much. I hope you are full up on your second helpens.

and I apologize for yelling so much about Love Island and just about these poor children in bikinis that we're watching every single night. Yeah. Children in bikinis. And now the problem, the cost of more episodes are an hour and a half. It is an investment of time. But don't worry, you might hear more about it by next week from me somewhere on some platform. But I love you. hang out with us over on the Patreon guys. We are starting book two of Sookie Stackhouse, which is

Living Dead in Dallas. So excited to be jumping into this. We are immediately, man, out the gate. This bitch don't play. It is just, she's jumping right in. I know why everyone wanted me to continue this series, and I want to say thank you. So come hang out with Jackie's Book Club on Mondays. You know, we are currently upsetting some people with Buffy. But if you want, and if you can handle Holden coming out with us on Tuesdays. But just Holden just for this episode, next episode, and then it'll be back just for me and MJ. Yeah. We might still be confused, but don't be mad at us.

You're allowed to be mad us. I can't tell you how to feel. You're right. You're allowed to mad at us. But, you know, just remember we're human beings at the end of the day. We can control our feelings. they come and they go. And we love you.

Just know that we're doing our best. Yes, we are doing our best. I know you're pleading, okay? I will not plead. I will stand on my own feet, put me in a teeny keeny because I have heard from the brokirps of our world and I love you, a broker from chat,

that it is also a teeny keeny summer for most. And so I say, get your teeny kinies. And get out there, everybody. We're showing it all to the world. And we're going to try. Get your long shorts from Lansend. I've got mine, man. And get your, get your, if you're a coverage gal, get your coverage.

Get your swim leggings. Get your swim leggings. You do you. No one's seeing these legs this summer and that's the way I like it. I love this energy. And I love you, MJ. And I love everybody that is listening currently. Have a beautiful week.

Be good to yourselves. Be good to other people. And we'll be back with page seven soon. Hi, everybody. That'll be better. We'll second down. Indeed. I forget. Yes, I did.

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