Page 7 - Second Helpings - Witches Have Entered The Chat

Episode Date: February 6, 2026

Jackie and MJ are baaaack again with another servin' of celeb goss! This week continues the trend of everything bein' hell as up top we got talk about the kidnapping of Today Show host Savannah Guthrie's mother, Jason Bateman's eye rolling interview with Charli xcx proves he needs to learn to research his guests, and Jackie watched the trailer for The Housemaid, Sydney Sweeny has a Bezo's backed lingerie line comin' out, the tulpa Holden created know as Evil Skinny Lizzo is letting everyone know that SOME people in the Epstein files are probably cool, Michael Rapaport proved he's a Zohran Moron once again by being fooled by obvious AI, and then (SPOILER WARNING) some Traitors chat! OG RHONYers are starting a rival show on E, Jackie and Geoff watched "I'm Chevy Chase and You're Not", plus Meredith Marks did a very unapologetic line in front of everyone during her DJ set, and even more on this Second Helpings!Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

but will it, where is Savannah Guthrie's mother? Don't start with it. Where is her mother? How? Where is her mother? How does the how? What fucking timeline are we in? I was like, okay, this week we're going to stick, we're going to keep it to pop culture news.

Keep it at light. What can you say? I don't know, man. What could you say? I, you know, MJ and I both, we were. discussing it's like how do we even like we can't bring this up even on the show and out the gate I had to say it because I'm just looking at yeah I'm looking at it's just like inside Nancy Guthrie's final weeks before impossible disappearance she's just a beautiful person says Bell it she's just

for those of you the horrors never cease you guys yeah if you don't if you were wondering if the horrors were letting up they're not they don't they're going they're going turbo forward and While, you know, there's so many disappearances going on right now, but including the mother of Savannah Guthrie, who is one of the hosts of the Today Show. And it is, I've been reading through this because I know that we're not going to make any sense of this right now. There's really not much to make sense of. What if we solve it? What if we figure it out? Maybe we can.

Everybody. Oh, the two of us. Do we game it out? And then we figure out... You want to go detective mode is what you're saying. Maybe we go true detective mode. Because there's no other way to make it... I wouldn't be Matthew McConaughey!

Does that make me Woody Arelson? Yeah. Fine. But you get to have those great bang scenes, so... You get to enjoy that. Yeah, that's what I remember from the show. Oh, good, Jackie. So glad that's what you're bringing back from true detective.

Well, it's hard to remember anything about true detective aside from Time is a Flat Circle. Time is a flat circle. Just the kind of the vibe. You know, the... The everything is very slow and very shadowy and very dark. And I guess. And Savannah Guthrie's mother is missing. Savannah,

his mother is missing? Is this a Paul Pelosi situation? That's what I keep bringing up Paul Pelosi. Is this a targeted political thing? And if so, why Savannah Guthrie? She's just a nice woman who reads the news. Like, like Jackie said she's not a reporter. She's not a pundit.

I don't even think, I don't, I can't tell you Savannah's. Guthrie's opinion about anything. I don't, you know what, I'm going to be real with you. I don't know if we've ever said the name Savannah Guthrie on the 15 years we've been doing this show. And how many times have we said Kathleen and Hoda, right? Like so many times. It's the same show. She's not even in the like drinky, drinky part. She's in the part where you're still getting ready to go to school. The reedy, reedy off of a teleprompter part. She is in the reedy, reedy, Brian Gumbull part and Jenna Bush Hager part. and why her? But did you see that TMZ received a ransom note?

Bitcoin. But then that's TMZ. I'm giving Wutheran Heights quotes around it. And like I do feel it's like I don't trust DMZ. Wuthering. Oh God, that's funny. I cannot. We have to forever speak the words Wuthering Heights in quotes.

Wuthering Heights. Yeah. Right. I saw that too. And I was like, okay, TMZ has the journalistic integrity of a paper bag. Oh, my, yeah, they've got nuns. And I feel like they would, how evil? But it's like, how evil would it be of making a fake ransom note just to get them to talk about them?

TMZ, you're nuts. It's just like, it is, yeah, I was racking my brains to try to figure out how we could approach this. Because it's obviously the biggest pop culture story right now, celebrity, whatever. And there's just obviously nothing funny about it. And I'm just like, I mean, it's, I think that one, the one thing I was thinking of is just like how the facade of celebrity, how quickly it falls. Like, she's, she is this like, you know, beautiful polished person who reads the news on the Today Show every morning and is like very practiced and very, you know, she's obviously a skilled, you know, whatever that job is, Today Show person. And then it's like you see her making this video with her brother and sister. And it's just like she is just a, she's just a person.

She is, she doesn't have the TV makeup on. She is racked with, with, you know, grief or whatever feeling this is when this mystery is unfolding. And it's, I was just, I feel so viscerally devastated for her. Like, you have to go and make like a video pleading for your 84-year-old mother's return. And then it's like- And he found out that she was missing because she didn't go to church. And they found inside of her home there's like her car's there, her wallet's there, her phone is there, and there was blood.

And then apparently, this letter came into a news station. It was emailed into a news station. And this anchor for this news station said that the, but like by the third line, they were like, this might not be a hoax. Really? Because I guess there was a lot of sensitive information that only, you know, the person that kidnapped her would know, but also sensitive information that Savannah Guthrie would specific. Like, that's what this article is saying. It's just like, who would target Savannah

Guthrie? Though the Today Show stories are like, this eight-year-old won the spelling beat. You know, like, they're not even talking about controversial stuff. Does she have some sort of background that we're unaware? Like, I'm trying to quickly read through the back, but I'm like, she's from Australia. Like, I'm like, is there what? I'm not reading anti-Australian hate crime? Who knows? There's no, like, at least Paul Pelosi

made sense in a way. Obviously, I'm not saying, I'm not trying to hand it to the guy who tried to kidnap Paul Pelosi, but you're like, oh, that's Nancy Pelosi's husband. This is a politically motivated crime. Also, not from Australia. She was just born in Australia. I need to let everybody know that.

So it's not. So we can rule out, okay. Rule out Australia. Get put out the murder work. All of Australia. We're ruling out Australia. We're ruling out Australia. Australian targeted hate crime.

We told you we were going to figure this out. We're starting there. We are going to figure this out. Somebody who doesn't like. Maybe it's because of the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. I was going to say, could it be about Macy's? Oh, my God. Is it Tom Turkey?

It could be, it could be Tom Turkey. It could be somebody who doesn't let, you know, the segments that they do like with Hilaria and the cucumber. Like, it could be somebody who was like, you made an egg white frittata that I don't like, you know? Like, I mean, this is the lightest. possible news stories is what Savannah Guthrie does. I know we're in a really polarized political climate right now,

but if this is a politically motivated crime, then somebody is so Paul Pelosi-pilled. If you think that this woman whose job has to do news fluff deserves this, what is wrong with you? Like, what is happening? I have been racking my brains trying to understand. I can't think of a more innocuous public figure than Savannah Guthrie. Unless there's harmless.

of dark undertones that we're not seeing. Okay, let's consider, you know. I want to see the skeletons. I want to know what's going on in that Guthrie closet, all right? What is she hiding? All right. What is that mother? What is that 84-year-old woman that she didn't make it to church?

What she got? Just a nice lady who lives in her lovely home in Arizona and goes to church every Sunday. Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that she had to step down as one of the co-home? for the 2026 Winter Olympics? I think she did that because her mother's missing. I know, but I'm saying, did they do this so that she would step down? Okay, all right, new column on the murder board. Olympics, question mark.

We can't rule anything out. Except Australian hate crime. But yeah, we can't. We have ruled that. We have ruled that out. We are ruling things out all the time, Jackie. But we might, you're right. Maybe it was an Olympic.

Maybe it was rival news anchor. This is what I'm saying. I just feel like this could be. covering the Olympics, they said, and then they kidnapped her mother. They're trying to do a Nancy Kerrigan again, but via host. Oh my God, is this because Tara Lipinski and because Johnny, we're on the fucking traitors? Okay, new column, ice skating crimes.

Ice skating. It is the Winter Olympics. The Winter Olympics do have a history crime. Ice skating. Yes, and there's all sorts of murders happening over at the traitors. But Savannah Guthrie, she was just... I'm sorry. We're making jokes because we have to make.

I'm sorry. It's very sad and very serious. I just feel like I just started, MJ and I record early. And we just started like right out the gate. And it's just like, can you imagine having to go make a note video about your missing mother? Like it's like I, you know, you think about that video versus like the Maya Kupa, Milakunis, Ashton C butcher. It's like if we're going to compare videos here. I believe Savannah Guthrie A lot more than I believe those actors

That video is so I looked at it And I was like I don't want to watch this And then I did watch it But yeah I mean it's really like the that's I guess that's the only like It's not even insight But just the only thought I have was like

One day you are a celebrity with You know with people doing your makeup And you're on TV and you're talking about Tom Turkey and then what you really are is just a human being the entire time. You've just been a human being under there the entire time. And now we are just seeing you as a devastated, scared human being. And it's like so hard to see, especially because she is like a very familiar face, obviously. She's like, and again, Today Show is so, it's like such a silly little romp.

Every day is a romp over there. They're not doing hard-headed journalism. It's literally who won the spelling bee. It's feel good. This is why you and I always wanted to be. Kathleen and Hoda. They start with the like serious news and they still keep it light. And then Kathy Lee and Hoda come in and they start drinking at 10 a.m. You know, and like, who, how? Who would target Savannah Guthrie? Why? Is it because she dressed as Sally and the peanuts?

Remember when they all dressed up as the peanuts and everybody got scared of Al Roker as Charlie Brown? I do remember that. Oh, is it because she was Sally? Is that why? Maybe they were bringing it back and they wanted her to be Woodstock? Who would be out to get Sally? I mean, it wouldn't be Linus. Linus is kind of in a relationship with Sally. It wouldn't be Charlie Brown. You think they would have gone out after Matthew Lauer, who was playing, Lucy.

That's, well, that's Sally. Lucy. I get him confused. Why am I getting confused? Sally Lucy, Sally Lucy, which is a bad one, which is a good one. Speaking of like extremely upsetting news, obviously Matthew Lauer was in the news this week because the person he assaulted came forward and wrote a harrowing account of that. We do hope his mother is fine, though.

Yeah, don't take his mother. Don't take his mother. Don't take his mother. Don't take anyone's mother. Don't take anybody's mother. New rule. Don't take anybody's mother. Don't take anyone's mother. Don't take anyone. Don't take anyone. Don't take anyone. Yep. That's, can we? Oh, are we against ICE? Yeah, yeah, if you were wondering. If you were wondering where we're coming from. Can we all put our hands in the middle of the circle? We all go, don't take anyone. Yeah, let everybody live their lives. Yes.

It's really, no, that's why I know that I shouldn't liken it to this. I follow some, like, a financial influencer that it's like how you, like, everybody can save money. Oh, yeah, I follow some of those bitches too. And her mom, like, they were in Japan and her mom. I follow this bitch too. You follow this, and I feel like, and then everything now, oh my God. Why do I even follow her? She just like, I don't know why I follow her.

Why, like, legal advice about my, like, build up your trust for what to pass up to your children. Even though I have no trust, I have nothing. I don't know why I follow this woman. I can't believe you follow her. I've also been following her saga. She was on a vacation with her mom. In Japan. Her mom had a stroke and now her entire life has been upended for a year. Is in Japan because she's like they're in a, like she was in a coma for a long time. And now her mother has to like relearn how to live. Like we learn how to walk. We learn how to talk. We learn how to swallow. And she's having to go back and forth to Japan. I've been here because That's where her mother, like, I...

This is the problem with Instagram, though, and I guess society in general, and I'll feel like, where I'm like, oh, good, I'll log on to my little stories. And then I'm like, oh, no, what are the people from my little stories, mother had a stroke? And now I'm grieving some... I don't need to be grieving everybody's mother's strokes. Like, you know, in general, we want to have human empathy, but I don't need to specifically grieve this lady's mother, but I am. But I am.

I am, because I can't even tell you what her name is. I don't know. know where her handle is? Like, I don't know. All I know is I've been following her for a long time. And I just keep now seeing these sad stories. And then in between, she's like, finance. I know.

I know her like half-hearted efforts to keep up her messaging and her brand. Like, girl, stop. Don't we don't need. You have to keep going back and forth to Japan. Stop. We don't need your financial advice right now. I cannot believe. Every time I see her stories, I'm like, why do I keep following this woman?

Who is she? How did I start following her in the first place? No. I don't follow any of her financial. advice. I don't know why I don't have any money with what I'm glad. I'm so glad you know exactly who I'm talking about because I just because now I can't stop following her. I've been at a 10 month place alone caring about this woman. We could have been doing this together the whole time Jackie. Well especially like while it was everything with my dad was going on so that I was watching all

her so that I was like getting even more connected with what was going on with her. It was just and it's all inside of my head. Oh yeah. Because you're not going to go to your husband and be like some lady I follow online's mother had a stroke because your husband's going to be like, put your phone down. Your phone down. This is the first time I've said this aloud. Same, man. I have talked to no one. I have talked to no. But also I love that the algorithm maybe was like, well, you don't have any money to invest. But you do have a parent who is ill. So maybe you want, maybe you'd like to watch this lady grieve her parent. I can't believe this. Well, you're welcome. Now she's probably going to be in all of your algorithm as well, even though we do not know her handle. But I bet. I bet some of you. You guys follow her, though. Invest your money with her advice or whatever. I mean, it seems like she gives good advice.

I just, it is funny the amount of financial people I follow, even though I have no money. Oh, yeah. And I don't follow any of their advice. And every time I look at that, and they're like, if, you know, you just have to put away $2,000 a week and everything. And it's like, but then there's the opposite where it's like, really, all you need is a quarter a day. And you take that quarter of a day and you're rubbing against somebody. evil, oh, maybe they'll birth more dollars. And if I feel like that, I don't trust either.

Yeah, no, I love to just pick up my phone to relax. And then I watch, you know, a horror, a horror, a horror. And then I watch this, some lady tell me to put everything in a trust. And I, like, make a little mental note of it. I'm like, oh, yeah, I should put everything in a trust. What? Put what in the trust with what? I'm not, it's not happening.

I told you, I have a will. And the only thing in my will is that my two puppets are going to my friend guy. because he also likes puppets. That's the only thing. I love my children. Your lawyers like, you do have two children. Okay, just the puppets? Okay, all right.

I just want to make sure. Just the puppets. Let the kids fight it out and destroy their relationship when I die. They'll figure it out. Yeah, they'll fucking figure it out. And I hope, man, I hope Savannah Guthrie figures it out. I hope that their family finds some solace. I want to say I hope that the ransom is a hoax,

but then I guess I hope it's not a hoax. because, like, we do know that, you know, what is it after 48 hours of somebody be missing? God. The amount of whatever, whatever is that we're not going to see him again. And all of her medication that she really needs is all in her home. So sending love out to the Guthrie's. Send him some love down the well to the Guthrie. You don't deserve this.

If you don't deserve this, Savannah Guthrie, I wish nothing but the best for you. And I'm so sorry this is happening. And don't go after Jason Bateman's mother or is. kids because then he's going to tell you to have some. Yeah, that was my intro into a different story. We talking about Jason Bateman again? Did he talk about Jason Bateman again? Did he tell another person to have a kid or is this still the Charlie X. This is still going because Charlie XXX came out and said something to him and then he came out and said something. Like it's like the story was really, it's just because obviously there was such a big, backlash about it. And like in the, like, I just wanted to go through the back and forth because it was very funny in the actual show when he's like, someday you might find somebody.

And she said, well, I'm married. And then he said, I got to read a newspaper one of these days. And initially, right out the gate, so funny. So funny. Someday you might find somebody. I'm married. Stop the conversation there. Just stop the conversation there. Perfect conversation. And it is, I just like that now all of the

discourse is just making fun of Jason Bateman so much. But it is such a old tired dad's take. Like, I will throw it out there of like a, yeah, I didn't want him either. And you're going to have them someday. And it's just so much of this backlash from Charlie XX, which just, which we talked about during the blinds last week. She just does so many drugs. You know, it's like, I think that she's I think she's having a good time. I don't think that she's going down the, not that

I'm saying being a parent is a bad time. I just think that it's difficult to be on quite a drug journey when you're trying if you wanted to start a family. I mean, that blind did suggest that she is pregnant, but now I'm like, is that blind suggests, is that blind just because Jason Bateman told her she should get pregnant?

I don't know. Yeah, no, I, I, I, I, I, I want Charlie, how old is she? She's, you know, like... 30s. Yeah, young. Have a good time. She's 33.

Have a good time. Have a good time. Have a good time. And again, I said this on the main show. I think it's perfectly fine to want to start a family when you were at the absolute peak of your career. It's also perfectly fine to be like, I'm having a really good time being at the peak of my drug and performance career right now.

And it's not a good time. No, it's not a good time. not a good time for me to have a baby. That's okay. That's okay. Maybe you'll want one later, maybe not. Really, none of our business. No, and it's really, you know, it's not a good time for a lot of things. And I will throw it out there. Last night, I watched the trailer for the housemaid, because it was like, oh, I heard, I did, maybe I did refer to it as a Slits movie. And Jeff said, that might have been the most disgusting thing you've ever said. And I didn't know if you had read The Housemaid.

Is this the Sydney sweetie? It is and that's why inevitably I did not pay to watch it because I didn't want to get. I was like, I'll watch it when it comes out for free. But I called it a Slits movie because I know a lot of my theme gals that have read the book that like all went to go see the movie together and they had a really good time. I've read books by this author.

That's why I wanted to bring it up because I didn't know if you had A wanted to watch it, B, watched it, or C, we're not going to watch it because Sidney Sweeney was in. She's the same bitch who wrote the wife upstairs. I've read the wife upstairs. Whoa. Was that wife killing or was she cheating? I don't remember the plots of these books, Jackie.

The wives are usually dead. The wives are almost always dead. They've almost always been killed. This wife is alive, it seems. Yeah. Yeah. This wife is alive and she is bringing in a young woman. And it's like, even in the trailer, hot dad comes downstairs.

He's like, whoa, she's living with us. And I just, I watch that. And I was like, I don't want to watch this. Yes. I don't want to read that. Like, all I immediately was annoyed of like, and I was like, I see. But apparently it's twisty turvey, topsy turvey, and it is a lot of fun. It's so.

Amanda Safreid is the old and Cindy Sweetie is the young. Which is hilarious as Amanda Sefreet is just so, like that she's the old. Well, put us in a garbage can, MJ. Perius. I guess we're ready to be dead. Yeah. I am going to. Although she just turned 40, MJ.

Oh. Sorry, should I not call out that you're about to join the 40 club? No. Are we talking about this or are we not talking about this? Well, I'm not talking about it in the sense that I keep forgetting and I have no plans. But I'm not. I'm sorry that I keep bringing it up to you. I'm the only one that keeps bringing it up to you?

Correct. Yeah. Nobody cares. But that's fine. I don't need anybody. I care. I don't need anybody. I care. I'm going to read this book. This is the exact type of book that I want to read, but I don't want to watch the movie. And I wish I could rewind my little brain and go back to the time that I didn't hate Sidney Sweeney. I used to think she was a pretty interesting actor. But that was just, it turns out on accident. I think she just was playing dumb ladies. And I was like, what a good actor. And I think she's just a a dumb lady. My problem is, I think I'm still going to watch the next season of Euphoria. Yeah. I think I'm still going to watch it. You should.

I want to watch Euphoria. We can't condemn an entire, I mean, that's tough. He's just so annoying and she's a bad actress. Like, it's just all, it's not even, and that's the thing. Yes. I don't want to give her any money. When it comes to choices about how, what we watch and the various cancelable things that the people in them have done.

It's a complex landscape out there. A lot of good things out there with really cancelable people in them. And it's not always so simple. But then sometimes it is. Sometimes it's like, no, you just shouldn't watch that because that person's bad. And other times it's like, well, that person, you know, didn't isn't like, like, you know, with stranger things, I was like, oh, there's Zionists in it. But like those Zionists won't, like, like Israel itself won't benefit financially from me

watching stranger things. Right. So that's my calculation. And I felt this way. I watched X2 last night, which is directed by Brian Singer, but I was looking for a comfort movie and it made me sad that I was like, I hate that I'm even. I didn't rent it though.

I was just streaming it. So I was like, he's already getting my evil money. Right. So I'm sorry. Fuck you, Brian Singer. But also sometimes I need a little bit of Wolverine in my life. I think it's with, it's like in 2017 when the Harvey Weinstein stuff started and Me Too started, it was like, okay, all right, let's see here.

What do we do? Do we not listen to Michael Jackson? Do we not watch Woody Allen? And then now it's just like, oh no, everything is made by every project that you might find a baddie in it. So how do we, you know, it's like walking across a field full of landmines. You're like, well, do I, ooh, can I watch this? What do I do?

And so. I was going to say I did. I had said that I was standing on business that I wasn't going to go see one, like one battle. And then, wow, everyone was like, it's so good. And how quickly I folded. I didn't even remember what the business was. Because Sean Penn.

Oh, Sean Penn. Yeah, that's goodness. But this is the thing everybody had said, but you're gonna hate him in the movie. Like he's so good at being so horrible. And they were right. I hated how good he was in that movie. Yeah. I think, I don't know.

I don't know what the rules should be for what somebody. And then you watch him in like all the memes of like, why does Sean Penn always look like there was a stick of dynamite under his seat? Because he does always like with a cigarette out of his mouth, just like looking like a fucking crazy person. Yeah, and then it's like, well, okay, I want, I do want to give money to Bidio Daltoro and Tiana Taylor, but I, he was so good. He was so good. Oh, my God, he was so good. He was perfect in that movie. But yeah, I, this is, I mean, I, yeah, I don't know, I don't know.

I hadn't really given the housemaid much thought. Obviously, Sidney has been saying stupid stuff into microphones. I didn't even, I didn't even know that she was in it, but I didn't want to throw up there. She's not political. She was called Maga Barbie, and everybody's calling her Maga Barbie. Because she is looking like it. And also, I do enjoy my joke, SS out here given SS, which I thought was kind of fun.

That's a very good joke. I like that. Thank you. Thank you very much. I felt really good about it because she's got this like blonde Bob now that like is. And what bad appearance was that? That she was on some late night show and she came out and she just looked like, she looked like, she looked like she was on Fox News.

Yeah, yeah. She, she, it's a, it's such a weird look. And there's just no, yeah, what show was it? It was, she's, she is, there's no way to have that haircut and, and look and do, you know, if it was all, it's like Diana. If it was only the haircut, okay. If it was right. Exactly. You know, but then it's like there's no way to have that haircut and do that jeans ad.

and have the picture with all the MAGA family and keep just stepping on a rake every time you open your fucking mouth. Like you're obviously, you obviously are courting the conservatives. Trump said here hot and you said that was surreal. You obviously are embracing this. Like, there's just no way that you don't understand what's happening. Matt Bernstein, if you don't follow him on Instagram, he makes. these fantastic posts and video essays. And he was just like, you know, first of all, it's like, obviously art is political to pretend that art has no situation, you know, situational relationship to politics makes no sense.

But yeah, you know, you can just literally list everything she's ever done. She's obviously political. And especially when she's like, I've never been here to talk about politics. Like, then why are you doing all this shit? It's like you obviously, and all of it is just PR, and I know that all of it is just P.R. And it's so annoying. It's, oh, it's so annoying. Yeah, but like, you know, and again, it's like, I wish we lived in simpler times.

Maybe 15 years ago you could like, I don't know, date Scooter Braun and have it not seem like a political choice. Go to Jeff Bezos's wedding and not have it be a political choice. But not now. Not now. Not snowm all. These are all little signify. and that haircut. Why? Why?

Why would you get that haircut? It's like, it's like, you know, Greg Bovito's Nazi haircut. It's just like you chose to get this haircut because you wanted to symbolize something. I can't explain it, but it's just, I just know it when I see it, you know? Also, apparently, so she's got this new lingerie line, and apparently a lot of the money came from Bezos. CERN. CERN. Is it CERN?

That's great. Is it CERR. Surrne. Serne. It's like the Catherine O'Hara wine commercial. Surr. Why is it called CERN? It's called CERN.

And I just, not to further shit on this person, but it is just so annoying when the headline is, Sidney, Sweeney says her lingerie line, CERN. Is it for guys? She says, what's more girls' girl than owning your business? body. What's more Girls Girl than dating Scooter Braun and then calling yourself a girl's girl, you bitch. I hate. Girls Girl's Girl is such a useful phrase and when someone uses it in such an obviously weaponized like this way. This is so also go to this her and website.

It is you know, you know, look up what is the male gaze in the dictionary. It's just her being like submissive in underwear, which is fine. If that's what she wants to do, that's fine. But don't be like, it's actually feminist. It's actually, actually, actually all these things that I'm doing that are obviously like conservative dog whistles, I'm actually a girl's girl. And I'm going to throw this out there. If this shit was four girls and not four guys, which also, it's 2026. This is what we're, this is how we're speaking.

None of this. I'm looking at this tiny wedge of a fishnet that kind of covers a pussy. that I bet is just going to go right up into your pussy lips and is going to be the most uncomfortable. This is for girls then? This is not for guys then? Like, because I'm sorry for me, I think the most comfortable is not wearing any of it. And so I feel that all of this, how is that not for, like, how can you even say that's not for the male kids? Come on.

How can you say that? Just admit who you are. Just be this person. Just be mega Barbie. Just do it. Just like don't. There's obviously enough people that still fucking believe in this bullshit. Totally.

Go cater to them. Curve out your little corner of celebrityness and be one of the shitty celebrities. That's just do it. This from the heart, brains and boobs of Sydney Sweeney signed in her own handwriting, nice ass. I don't even know what to say. I'm like, I got.

Do we need this? Why is it called? I think it's, I just, I think it's so. I think it's siren, but why? I think it's siren, but I'm only, I would only ever refer to it as surn. Because I'd rather say sarn instead. Yeah, and also how dare you call yourself a siren? I don't know.

I just, I'm like, I'm truly at a loss. Just embrace being this bitch and don't like lie. I don't know. It's interesting. Like obviously we talked a little bit about it. Like at the Grammys, there was like several more artists who like actually spoke out. And we talked about how at the Golden Globes it was really, there was a couple of other people wearing ice happens besides Mark Ruffalo. But it was just Mark Ruffalo screaming screaming on his lonesome on the red carpet.

And then, you know, there was more at the Grammys. And it's like, yeah, I think you have to kind of, I think these artists kind of have to make a decision. And like, yeah, Billy Eilish has like made the decision that she like wants to be a person. like this type of celebrity. And I think Sidney just needs to make a decision. What type of celebrity do you want to be? It sounds like you want to be a

white supremacist one. And that's your choice, you know? Also, they had said, I saw in the headlines, and maybe now I'm looking too far into this, in a lot of the articles, and they were like, there's over 40 sizes.

They were talking about how inclusive it was. Where? I'm looking, I'm clicking at every single one of these bras. I'm clicking the highest band size I see. This one goes up to 40, so that's great. But also, is that you can, that's not size inclusive. I, it, I, where are these 40?

Where are, like, where are these sizes that they said that they had? Because all I'm seeing, I am seeing a range, the range of sizes that exist. Well, yes. And like every picture on the website is her. And I feel like what I usually. see in places that do like size inclusive clothing is that they do pictures of size inclusive people and that it's like oh yeah no none of the people are because also it's not size and it's just it's just not it's all every picture is just her looking like she wants to fuck which is if

you go through the shop no don't worry if you go through the shop it's other really uh stereotypically very attractive okay all right because every picture i'm seeing on cern.com is her and all her handwriting is all over it, all yours. Oh, yeah, no. I went to the bottom, clicked shop. You have to, like, search for where to shop on the web. I like it when they make it hard. Poor website design.

If the poor, actually, it's not poor website design. If you go to the website and you want to look at pictures of Cindy, Sweeney, inner underwear, it's great website design. Great, yes. You're going there to purchase something, you do have to search for where to purchase something. Oh, and all, they all have cute names. string you a long low-rise lace thong. Fuck off.

You know what? Fuck off. You know what? Fuck off. I've been men. I know about y'all. I've been angry. I think all of us are going through many, many stages of grief about all things at all times.

And it's kind of fun because I feel like I wake up every day and I spin the wheel to see what stage of grief I'm going to be in that day today. I'm pissed. Yeah. Yeah. So we got to use our days when we're pissed, you know, we got to use it. Okay, while we're pissed, can we please talk about how Holden manifested skinny evil Lizzo? And he has never been more right about anything in his whole life. Give him a round of applause because Holden was so right about skinny evil Lizzo.

And it's so cartoonishly funny that MJ sent, of course, now, if you look for it, it is immediately. It was taken down. Oh, she deleted it. Oh, she deleted it. I got to see it in its prime. I saw it. And I was like, excuse me? Phoebe Robinson stitched it and in a very, very funny video. That's where I saw it. That's exactly where I saw it. She is so funny. And just if you are a new listener, you weren't around when Holden manifested this, it was after Lissho got canceled for Banana Up the Ass as Jackie refers to. Banana gate. Banana gate. Yeah, that's different gate. It was a, there was a long time where Jackie just kept threatening to put a banana up her ass in the workplace.

And everybody loves it. And it'd be a hold of the Jackie's group text. It was like a lot of like, well, let me just put a banana up my ass. I didn't put a banana up my ass. See how everybody reacts. And so right around that time. Holden was like, I call it, she's going to disappear from public life, she's going to lose a bunch of weight, and then she's going to come back at all of the like positivity and feminism and like everything is going to be gone. And he has never been more right about anything. God, he's never been right. It was the playbook.

The only thing that is different is that I'm surprised that, well, I'm not not surprised as someone that has lost weight, gained weight has fluctuated with my weight all across. the board that of course we all assumed that it was going to be one of the same as we're watching all the other celebrities with the GLP1 journey which I am not here to judge anybody and I am not you do you but Lizzo is openly being like I'm doing all the work I'm doing it like I'm not using any medication which also okay that's fine you you choose the life that you choose but she decided yesterday for some reason so I What possibly was going through her brain? I'm going to pick up my phone and defend people naming the Epstein files.

She went on Instagram and was defending the celebrities and the Epstein files? Like, like, girl, put your phone down. Think about it. Nope. What's your phone down? I posted a drill tweet. There was a, I don't know if you guys ever did drill back on Twitter, but there's the most hilarious account on Twitter ever.

drill. It would just tweet these very, very funny, ridiculous things. And they have a tweet that's like, in regard to my earlier post, I have to issue a correction. When it comes to ISIS, you do not got to hand it to them. And it's like often referenced of like when you accidentally like praise something that you shouldn't have praised. Like you do not going to hand it to them. And it's just like, when it comes to Epstein, you do not have to hand it to the people named in the XPT files. You don't have to, you know, you know, you don't have to go to bat for right now. People named in the Epstein Files. You know what doesn't need a hot take?

People named in the Epstein files. Her take was, Listen, just because... Like, she brought up Jay's... She was defending Jay-Z. And also just... Lizzo, if you're not involved in it's like, Bill Gates came out so fast to be like,

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, everybody. It was just an email. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. And it's like, Lizzo, this ain't... your fight. I'm fairly sure. You literally don't need to weigh in on this. I know it's so... Well, uh-oh.

Hey, hey, come on. No way, wait, no way he has you for that. It's just such a, it's just everyone is so like, let me see if I can say something interesting. Don't, not this time. And so, yeah, she's like, just because, you know, if somebody, if somebody, like, found Jeffrey Epstein's phones and, as your argument doesn't even make any sense. Like, if somebody does something bad, and you're in their contact list, does that make you bad too?

And it's like, when it comes to the Epstein files, yeah. Yeah. Yes, there are names in there. There are levels. There are levels. There's names that are in there.

Like, if you search, you know, Control F and search certain people's names, it's in there because somebody was complaining about their book or somebody was, you know, mentioning a film festival or whatever the fuck. Like, it's not that every single name that is in every list is a pedo, but also everyone's smart enough to understand that, Lizzo, we don't need you

that to explain that to us. What you were doing is going to bat for people who are implicated just for no reason. Why, Lizzo, think for 10 seconds, do you want to be associated with the phrase Epstein Files? Because now you are and you need not. You were not named in the Epstein Files. You could have sit this one out. You don't need to. Yeah.

Don't need to. I just, what, Drew, so she, there was such insane. main backlash about the video that she posted because it was like she because like you said, I get that she was like just because A name and, but where we're at right now. Does anyone in the Epstein files need you to defend that? It's just such a weird. I imagine, you know, that gif of like, like, or the picture of like from Icarly of like, it's like looking at the computer and smile.

Like I imagine her just like posting that video and being like, I've got a really interesting take. And then hours later being like, I've made a huge mistake. Why did you do that, Lizzo? Like, it's because you are following the skinny evil Lizzo timeline. It's just, that's the timeline that was ripped into our dimension. It's not, it's not, I guess it's not her fault. Like, I guess she's just really leaning into what she was destined to be. Like, and again, there is like there are people who are distilled.

ingenuously, obviously, there's this AI image going around of young Zoron with Epstein. It's fake. And some people are idiots. And they're like, oh, Michael Rappaport reposted it, in fact. And it was like, oh, look, oh, where's your progressive mayor now? And it's a photo. It's an AI. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Of course it is. He reposted an AI with an AI watermark image of child Zoron with his mother. with Epstein and like Bill Clinton. It's such an obvious, like if you've been alive for 10 seconds, you can tell it's AI. And Michael Rappaport was like, I guess, I guess he's not so good now, is he?

And so it's like anybody with half a brain can understand that there are some names in there that are because, again, emails were sent referencing events and shit that it doesn't mean that Zoran's mother is part of the Epstein files in that way. But like, and yes, that is, and Zora and Mom Dani had to issue a statement that was like, I'm really upset that people are issuing this or, you know, sharing this fake photo of me as a child with Epstein. It's a lie, you know. So like, yeah, people are dumb and people share things like that. But it's just, I just don't understand if you're Lizzo and you've already gone through the hell of a public cancellation. Of just being a lie, honestly, you know, it's just. You've already had to deal with a banana up the ass story for years. And it was. Not the ass, by the way, but it's just, I've rewritten history. Yeah, yeah. We wrote the history.

Because the ass is funnier. Well, also it's because Holden and I were both making the jokes and we both have an asshole. So it's easier to make the jokes that way. So really, it's like sometimes you got to move the bit. So it works better for you, you know? But yeah, you know, if I would have, I've been the subject of internet scored and that's why I tried not to do it again.

And Lizzo chose the other path, which, was to defend the Epstein. Chaos. Absolute chaos. It is interesting because I was reading this, I read this article, because of course, after that, Nikki Minaj went after Lizzo, of course, because Nikki Minaj is also, is evil, is actual the evil one. Yeah, that's the real evil timeline, unfortunately. I feel like evil skinny Lizzo, again, Wuthering Heights quotes over like the evil, I feel like, because it's like she's evil, but it's a spectrum. It's a spectrum of evil. Yeah. She is, she is just a part of it, but she's not all the way to Nikki Minaj because, but it is weird because I'm reading this article talking about Lizzo, when Minaj was really becoming very, very outspoken for Trump, Lizzo put out this Insta that was like a lot, I think she did live, that was talking about how you're going to start seeing a lot of celebrities become MAGA. You're going to see it. You're going to watch. You're going to be disappointed. You're going to be hurt.

Okay. Why are you? you say, why are you saying, Lizzo, it is just, I understand throwing shit at Nicky Manage, definitely throws him in Monash. Yeah. I just feel like, who knows where she's going next, Lizzo. I'm starting to see these machinations happening. And I'm like, interesting. What's happening over there? You're right. It is chaotic. There's no like worldview from which Lizzo is operating. It's really just like, what can I say that's like, engage that with that people will engage with. And that's never a good place to be. If you're just saying stuff because you think nobody has said it before, you're going to want to think about what you're saying and why you're saying it.

Just think about it. Do I have values that are informing what I'm about to say? Do I have, do I believe in things and do I want to communicate what I believe in? Or am I just saying stuff? Sometimes you're just saying stuff. Sometimes you're just, you know, we've all been there. Sometimes we're just saying stuff. Brooklyn Beckham.

He was saying DAD on his arm. He crossed it out. He got the time. tattoo covered up because Brooklyn Beckham is upset with his daddy and he got it to cover it up. First of all, very funny to just have a tattoo that says dad. Dad. Dad. Yeah.

Although this is like an old like sailor kind of, you know, it was like one of those where it's like has dad in the heart. I'm down with it. Oh yeah. That's great. Yeah. Like Bart getting getting the mother tattoo. But yeah, yeah, just dad. And then to be like, not anymore.

our dad, and then he replaced it with a starfish and two life preservers. And I don't want to even know if there is any significance to those. Chocolate starfish? Are you thinking about chocolate starfish specifically? Because I think I'm thinking about chocolate starfish. I'm not. But now I am. But I like to think that he was just like flipping through the book at the tattoo shop. It was like, I don't know. A starfish and two light preserves. I don't know. Makes me think of Limbiscuit. I don't know. Yeah. Put it on my arm, please. And there's also rumor that he also had a Victoria Beckham tattoo on his chest and that he has also covered that up. But we don't know. My God, Mumsy and Dadsie? No more dads. No dads. Wow.

No Dads. Well, you know, that's good for him. At least he's got that cover-up money. Yeah. It's got, you know, I'm proud of him. I think that he's really making those moves. And who knows if we'll ever, I don't think we'll ever get the Mark Anthony dance tape. but I'm going to be screaming for it for a while.

That's going to be a good day if we get that. Oh, we need that tape. Now that's, now we're, you know, all right, great. We're getting the files released. Now we need that tape released. I want to see that inappropriate dance, please. Release the Beckham tape. Release the Beckham tape.

We need the dance. We need it. It will save our country. Unite us. Yeah, you know, we all live, we're all surviving on the fumes of the memory of the night that Trump got COVID. So we need something. else to buoy us a lot.

Need something. Well, don't worry. I think that person that's given us the buoy is Alan coming. Yes. And I will say part of the reason why we watched X2 yesterday is because we were making always becoming jokes because I said that I wanted more out and coming in my life. And I remembered that he, not that I remember Jeff and I were talking about because I have this. I always call it a panel from a comic book, even though Jeff says that's not a panel from a

comic book. That is a picture of pornography. And he is referring to this panel that I've been obsessed with since the beginning of time. And I have it on my, I have it on the desktop of my computer so I can open it at any point in which I want to look at it. And it is a panel of nightcrawler eating out storm. And in the movie X2 is when Alan Cumming shows up as night crawler. And so throughout the movie, Jeff did have to hear my continued bit of how much I want. Well, my, not issue, my main beautiful part of myself is that I am very sexually attracted to most of the X-Men. And so I'm usually down to watch anything that has to do with an X-Men, but usually, not all the movies. Yeah, there's some X-Men that are better than others.

There's some. And so at least I've got the husband that knows how to navigate those things. Yeah. And I just wanted to dream about night crawler, eaten out storm. I am looking at the picture right now, and it is great. I thought for a second, we're going to share your screen so that I can see it. Oh, do you. Oh, yeah, I can do that.

I can find it. Oh, no, now I'm doing it. Now I'm sharing the screen. Oh, yeah, now I'm sharing the screen. Yeah, you know, I spent a lot of time in class where we have to share our screen a lot. I was like, Jackie's about to share her screen. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. So you see the balls of Nightcrawler, but you don't see your pussy or anything. Like you just see it. I mean, you do see breasts. And it was funny because I did say to Jeff that I was like, this isn't pornography. You don't see anything. And he's like, this is an act of sex, Jackie. That does make it pornography. And so it was good that we talked that out. Yeah. I got to get this cat off of the... Why you don't want the cat to see the picture. You're worried what the cat will do if the cat sees the picture. Is that why?

of shield my cat's eyes from the ball sack of my crawler well all of that is to say that allan coming is the host of the traders and um so what happened this week jacky to refresh your memory i mean spoiler alert for the traders everybody if you haven't seen from last week's episode though episode seven so yes you're all right there's already anyone out but spoiler alert pause if you need to Lisa Rinnah. Oh my God. Lisa. I'm Lisa fucking Rina.

She, man, she really, she was trying her damnedest though. She was really trying her damnedest. Horrific at lying. I am Lisa Rina. I love how bad she played this game as soon as the spotlight was on her. Can I throw this out there?

I have been falling down quite a hole of traitors in my algorithm. And there is a lot of discussion. So you remember in the first, you know, when Donna Kelsey got kicked off? And that was, she was a secret trader. And it was so cute when they got her and she was like, you guys got yourself a traitor

and everyone had a good time. Problem is they had made a calculated move thinking the producers thought that she was going to be better at being a traitor than she was. and they had actually had a lot of the season was bent around other crazy things the secret trader was going to be doing, but she was so bad at it that she got kicked off so early. I was wondering about that.

That actually fucked the whole season. I was wondering about that. Yes. So that there's word on the street that the producers are trying to like machinate. Like they're going to have to do something because this is. this is not what they expected for the season at all. That because it was all like, ooh, there's a secret trader. What?

Wow, we've never had a secret trader before. What's that going to mean? And that like the next week it was like, oh, we found her. Yeah. And so it was, and she was supposed to be doing a bunch of stuff in the background. Yeah, that makes sense. And it just sucks. Way too obvious.

And she just was way too obvious. And it makes sense because MJ, I feel like I've given you the gift of the traders, but the last season was just so, like, it was doing all the things that it was supposed to do. Yeah. I mean? I mean, I'm enjoying. What are we missing? It's still fun.

What is this season? Tell me, what, what is that even the traders are doing more twisted and turning? It's like the trickseys. Yeah, there's more like low-key sides of things. Like, it's more machinations. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like more going on. Well, I have found it, this is my first season, but right.

So what has happened in the last two weeks is that what the trader, the three traders who were, with the exception of Donna Kelsey, but the three traders who worked together were a united front. And then Rob the Snake Boy turned into a snake man and started acting like a real snake of a human. Snake man. But I don't think that Candy Ass should have written his name down. Oh, Candy ass fumbled the ball. All of these people. All these people who don't want to do it. just angry with him.

She was just upset with him. That's it. But then there's also talk in this traitors discourse. These are all people that have like watched every episode of everything. But the thing is that everyone expected them to choose the gamers because they always choose one of the gamers. But they didn't choose any of the gamers. But they think that that's also might be this season's downfall is because there's no one in it. Like they're so busy playing the reality character side of it.

But the gamers are the ones that are in their. They're going to be playing. Yeah, yeah. But they got rid of so many of the gamers. So it's also like a lot of the, it's just the drama. Yeah. Which is fun. Without the game.

That makes sense. It's without the game aspect of it as much. Well, and with Rob, he's so dumb that you're like, are you doing something good on purpose? Or are you just dumb and accidentally stumbling upon some good ideas? I think he might not be dumb, MJ. Yeah. He might not be dumb. Yeah.

Yeah, because he's clearly, so he was kind of the first traitor to turn on the other traitors. And when he heard everyone talking about maybe it's Lisa Rina because she is not saying anything and acting really weird, but anybody asks her if she's a traitor and obviously lying. God, I'd be so bad. Could you imagine if one of us were a traitor? We're like, me? Me? That's not me. No, why? I would never.

Which is exactly what Lisa Rina did. And she keeps one around like, I'm Lisa fucking Rina. And then when somebody's like, are you a traitor? She's like, what? What? Me? What? I am not a trainer.

I'm going to miss her. I'm not going to miss her too. I've come to love Lisa Rina. I love her love for herself. Lisa Rina loves herself. And I love that for her. I think that watching Traders is encouraging me to watch more of the real housewives. Like I feel like it's been.

She's New York, right? I believe. Oh, no. She's Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills. You've been watching New York. So you know Dorenda. I love Dorenda.

I love Dorenda. And Dorenda is nuts. And it's sad that there's not more, I mean, she can't be nuts on this. Yeah, we haven't seen a lot of Dorenda. I am in season eight of Roney right now, and Dorenda is Dorendaing. You're not going to talk about John. You're not going to be. She's always like the way that she yells at people.

It's always with the finger in the face, pointing at them, and she's drinking a dirty martinis, and she's got a lot to say. And it's, and you think, why do you? You know, I said this to Jeff the other day. I was like, man, you spend none of your time watching women scream at each other. That's like, why. I love watching women scream at each other. And I didn't know, MJ.

Yeah. I didn't know until I got really fully into it. And now I need to be, I need to start all the rest of them. There's so much of it. Yeah. There's so much of it. I know. I feel so, I was so excited when Real House House of Salt Lake City started up again.

And I was like, I'm going to watch this one. And I'd started. But there is so much of it. There's just so much of it. It is the gift that keeps on giving, which is great. But I am not at a time in my life when I can keep up. and I don't know when. When I'm in the nursing home, put me in front of, put me in front of...

Then you'll get all of Real Housewives. Yeah. But the original Roney Bitches are coming back. They are starting a rival show on E. What? They are taking, yeah, they're leaving Bravo, the original Real Housewives of New York. We're talking, we're talking Lou Anne, we're talking to Jill Zarin, we're not talking to Bethany's not doing it. But Ramon is doing...

Well, Bethany has kidney disease. Yeah. And I think. Cancer. Yeah, I think it's something's bad going on with Bethany. Yeah. I know something's not good in the world of Bethany, but they are starting a new show on E. A coup, a real housewives coup?

Oh, there's a coup of boots. Cooty? Yeah, yeah, Cootie, yeah. Not to be confused with Qie. Yeah, the University of New York. That's a different. That is an actual universe. Cooley.

And I'm going to watch it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm definitely going to watch it. And even though Kelly Ben Simone is going to be there and I don't know why they're bringing her back. But the one thing that I keep seeing is everybody's like, where's Derinda? Where's Derinda? What about Dorinda?

No, technically Dorinda does come in later on. So she's not one of the OG OGs. Okay. Yeah, well, I've loved hearing you talk about Roney since it started in 2008 and that's the year I moved to New York. And it was a very different world, different New York, different time period, different time for reality. It's part of the reason why I've been loving this show so much is that I'm just in New York. And it makes me feel like I'm in New York. And I love it whenever, you know, in the first couple of seasons, there's this, oh, God, annoying bitch, Alex McCord.

And she's the one that holds down living in Brooklyn. And she's like, I'm making the girls come all the way out to Brooklyn. Yeah. Brooklyn's the thing. And it's like trying so hard where it's just like at the same time too, that's like back when we were like when I was living in Brooklyn and I was just like, please don't send them out here. Yeah. It's getting expensive enough. I know.

Stay in the city. We don't want you out here. But it is true that back in 2008 you would still find people who were like, Brooklyn. I've never, I'm not going to Brooklyn, you know. Brooklyn. And that has changed now. Yeah, they had to make specific taxis that would actually go to Brooklyn because the yellow cabs wouldn't go. so they had to make green cabs just so they would go out to the other boroughs.

No Brooklyn. No Brooklyn. Yeah, I mean, my uncle lived in the East Village five minutes from Brooklyn. And when we moved off of the same train to Brooklyn, he was like, where is that? I've never been there. I was like, it's 10 minutes away. Like, you know, and so, I mean, I think he had, but it was, it was more like, it's, and you see this in early sex in the city, too, where they're like, Brooklyn, you know, like when Miranda moves to Brooklyn. I treat it like it's another. It's just Manhattan people love to do that. And it's fun. And I've, it feels like a harkening of a different time. What I wish is that I wish I could get like an IV infusion of the real housewives into my brain because I want to be, I wish I could be part of their world, if you will. But I just, again, I just don't have time. But I like, I want, anytime I watch what happens live, I'm like, I want this. I want this, you know, why are you making that face?

Sorry. I just, I looked up Bethany Frankel just because I was looking to see what she was, I know, but then I didn't know that there is this thing called the Bethany Clause that came out because of her. It's a common provision in modern reality television contracts requiring cast members to pay the network a percentage of revenue from any personal businesses, products, or endorsements launched while on the show. Whoa. Fuck off. Fuck that. That's crazy. No. But then also, you know, then they're all like, well, then you're not on the show.

Whoa. You're going to sign this or you're not on the show. Yeah. This is obviously a money-making project. Oh, my God. Wow. It's just, that's crazy. That really is, of course.

I mean, it makes sense that you want to own you fully. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Sorry, that's just kind of nuts. But I do wish that I could infuse you because I would. I would say to anyone that like obviously I is like even weed wife in chat so many people have started when I started Roney and they finished a long time ago and they moved on to other things.

I just watch so many things that sometimes if I'm watching something by myself, it takes me a long time. But the fact that I'm even in season eight is crazy to me because it's my alone time show and I love that it's my alone time show. I just wish I had more time for my alone time show. Yeah, yeah. Um, well, I, you know, I feel like at least with traders, I'm getting a little, it's like a little sampling of different housewives from different worlds. And they're all, they all have housewife

solidarity. Yes. Which is a lot of fun. Um, and yeah, I'm going to miss Lisa fucking Rina. She's Lisa fucking Rina. I'm going to miss her too. I'm going to miss her too. And I just want to give what, I know we talked about a little bit yesterday. I want to give another shout out to Wonder Man because on last week's second helpings, I mentioned it, but I didn't really like go into it. And I have now watch we've watched almost the whole season. And man, it's good. Jackie, you'll love it. I can't wait. Thanks again to the Patreon commenter who said it's like, it's the studio. It's like Marvel meets the studio. And another person said it's up there with Wanda Vision. But like just the elevator pitch on Wonder Man, if you guys are thinking about it, is that basically Yaya Abdul Matine is like this very sincere, ambitious actor who's hot, very hot.

I even just watch trailers like, yeah, I'll watch him do anything. Oh, yeah. I was like, oh, the guy from Ganymede? Oh, yeah, yeah, I'll watch him do anything. Very hot. But he's just like, he's real, he is an actor. And he's like, he's in his bathroom doing vocal warmups. And he's like, he loves to act.

And they live in a world where if you have powers, you are, there is a clause that makes it so that you cannot be an actor. And Jackie, this is the part that you'll love. This is not, I don't think, I guess, light, spoil. I'm not going to go into any detail. I think that it is okay that I say this for something that happens kind of in the middle of the season when you learn about the reason there's a clause that you can't be an actor if you have superpowers. Now, mind you, I know you superhero heads out there.

Gideon's talking about all these. There's all, it happened in Iron Man, and this is from this and this is from this. Oh, yeah, I watched X2 last night. Yeah, I mean, there's also, there's a lot. Everything's connected. It's all about the acceptance of mutants. And the except, you know, so bringing, like, how do you incorporate them into real? life.

Yeah. The world of Sooky Stackhouse where like vampires are real, how do you add them into the world? Right. And also just that this is like, um, like vampires, it's like with Marvel, there's so many texts and there's so many. It's like the Bible. You know, you're like constantly referencing previous stories. But there is a character called Dorman, Dimar Dormann Davis. And there's an episode where you get Dorman's backstory, which is a fantastic, fantastic episode.

And basically, Fighter of the Knob guy. Ah! because he's a door. Yeah, no, that's good. Thank you. Josh Gad makes an appearance. Oh. And Josh Gad.

La foo. Josh Gad. At first you're just like, what a funny Josh Gad cameo. And that's where I'll leave it. But the episode with DeMarador Man Davis and Josh Gad is a superb episode of television. And it gives you the backstory and the reason why. my superheroes aren't allowed to be actors. And so, yeah, yeah, Abdul Matin wants nothing more than to be an actor.

And Ben Kingsley is also an actor. And he... Who is not playing Gandhi. Not playing Gandhi is playing another actor, but an actor who used to have a big substance abuse problem, who then... Again, this is a reference to, I think Iron Man. But then he got cast as a terrorist in real life, like a terrorist group hired him to be like the face of their terrorism network, which he just did

because he was an actor who wanted a job. And so it's a very, it's like what I love it when Marvel is like, let's interact with the actual world. Like you said, and with X-Men too, where you're like, this is actually connecting to like other themes and like, you know, but so it's, it's just, that's, that's my little pitch about what's going on with Wonder Man. And it is really, it's really fun. It's really well done. The acting is superb and the storytelling is amazing. And so that's my, that's a better recommendation. Yeah, yeah. Oh, Jeff's been out of town and I have to wait for him to come back.

He will like it. I can't watch it until he comes back. Yeah. Yes. But before he had left, we did watch I'm Chevy Chase and you're not. Uh-oh. Which is the Chevy Chase dock that dropped this month. And it is, you know, I appreciate that I was worried that the dock was going to be

like he's not that bad, but it wasn't. Really? It's actually a real genuine account and including his family, like his daughters, his wife, talking about, I mean, there was a humanization. Yeah.

With the documentary because, like, he's been with his wife for 40 something, 50. Like, it's like they've been together this whole time. Like, his daughters, love their father. You know, so it is like, so it's, it's an interesting perspective, but what I like is that it was a lot of people

being like talking about the real stories of how hard he was to work with. And why there's so, I feel like, for me, I see so many things and I hear about so many people in Hollywood that are so horrible to work with. And all I've ever tried to be in everything I, do is easy to work with. I feel like that has been, like, I only want to give as much as humanly possible. I only want to be the best version of myself, especially when talking to other people,

especially when working with other people. And there's a part of my brain that dies every time I find out that someone, it's like, then why was he so successful? It's like, Chevy Chase was a brilliant physical comedian. That's why he was so successful. Also, back in a time, time period when there wasn't social media so people weren't as aware of how difficulty was to be working with. Yeah. And that it's like, oh, it's just a part of his charm. Oh, it's just, you know, this is just this.

Yeah. And it was a really good doc though. Yeah. And interesting to hear the whole community side of things from his aspect. Like. Is he to tell. Is he one of the time? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah. He's there talking. And you can tell that the director was even having a difficult time because he is a deflector. And he doesn't want to talk about anything real. And the second he starts talking about something real, he gets fucking pissed about it. And it's such, it's interesting to watch that mental illness, but he never changed. Yeah. And there's so much in like, it's like who he was as a private person versus what he showed,

but it did seem like even as a private person he wasn't very easy to deal with. And even like his daughters adore him. But like there were seven years that he like didn't get out of bed. Really? Yeah. Wow. Well, because he has like horrific act pain from all the physical comedy, right? And, and depression issue and like a lot of other and other issues that obviously.

that obviously, it's like if he's acting like this, obviously, but the conversation is different. Yeah. If that, if like he were acting like that now, it's like we look at people that, you know, that, that leave Hollywood for a while. We look at the Lola Young's. It's like he had a debilitating drug problem. But it wasn't a problem, quote unquote, because everybody's like, yeah, he just show up at every meeting and he's just literally doing lines.

And like, it's like down to the fact that the people that he used to write with, he's like, he'd bring a mountain of blow and he wouldn't even offer it to any of us. He literally just in the meeting do the mountain of blow and not share it and just have a meeting. Oh, by God, that reminds me. Did you see the clip going around of Meredith Marks just very openly doing a line during one of her DJ sets? Just like unapologetic. MJ, you don't even understand because did you watch the last season of Salt Lake City? No.

There is this whole thing. with an airplane ride. And her and Meredith Marks and Lisa Barlow were like, went off crazy, harassing one of the other wives. Like, to a point that she was sobbing and, like, begging them to stop. Which wife?

She's completely inconsolable. Brittany, who's the one that's dating the Osborne on and off, that has the bad relationship. with her kids. Uh-huh. And they just, like, mean-girled at her. But then the rest of the season, Meredith Marks and Lisa Barlow were like, that didn't happen.

That didn't happen. That didn't happen. Literally all the other women were like, we're all saying that, that definitely happened. And Meredith Marks is like, you're the nastiness. The rumors, the nastiness. I'm saying to me. And here's the thing, MJ. I still love her.

Yeah, did I? What an insane. Wow. Deny, deny, deny, deny, will not say that she did it. Wonderful. Fantastic. Evil. Evil.

Evil. A spectrum of evil. Pathological behavior. Oh, that's fun. Yeah, well, she doing Coke. And she is out there. Rudy Tootie, which is insane because then the whole back half of the season was like, I don't have a drug problem.

You have a drug problem. I don't have a drinking problem. You have a drinking problem. Oh, that makes it sad. Oh, no. It actually is, like, even Mary Cosby gets to a point that was like, I am your actual friend. And I think you have a problem. Like, they all have been trying to, but then she's just not having it.

Whoa. Won't hear it? She doesn't. She doesn't. And it's the craziest amount of gaslighting in a television show that I think I've ever seen. And not to, I'm, I hope that. what I'm about to say is not ageist. She's 54.

I just feel like you must feel so bad after doing, like the way that as you get older, drinking becomes harder and it just takes a toll, you know? Yeah. The idea of being 54, I'm not trying to be ages, doing Coke. God, that hangover must be horrific. I can't imagine doing Coke now. Like I can't. Yeah.

I can't. I can't. I won't. I'm tired. No. I'm so tired. My body doesn't have the stamina for that. It's not even that.

It's that. as someone that used to do back in the day, I can't handle what my brain does with the come down of not having the serotonin of not having, like, I can't handle I say this the same with drinking

and why I don't drink anymore outside of Jack and is because I get depressed. Yeah. I get sad. I get, I get, I have sad hangovers. Yeah. So that's why I'm like, why am I drinking at all? And then I talk to other people and they're like,

oh yeah, I get real. I'm like, I'm like too sad and I feel happy. So what about that? This is my problem. It's like, am I just too bipolar? I'm too bipolar to like handle the shifts in emotion that I'm doing to myself because it's like my brain's already doing that. Yeah. So I can't do extra anymore. Yeah. You know? No, that's, that's valid and it's healthy. And I, you know, Meredith Marks, maybe I should say you go girl for still doing Coke at age 54. It's just, is that what we're saying? I don't know. I don't know. It's, I mean, it is impressive on some level, I guess. I just had to interrogate my own.

I was like, you know, I'm, I'm, in the process of becoming a mental health professional, you do a lot of work to, like, think about your reactions, become mindful, become self-aware. Right. And I am looking at this bitch doing coke while she DJs. And in my, I know that what I'm thinking is I'm too old for that. And I'm also thinking that bitch is a lot older than me. And then I'm thinking, MJ, you age just piece of shit, you know. And then MJ, you're bad.

We're just thinking about the hangovers. And honestly, it's just the hangover. I want to give just big ups to honestly, the difference between SIRN. Searn. Serd. And if you go to meredithmarks.com, Meredithmarks.com, you don't see one picture of Meredith on this. Wow.

It is just, it is young other people. It is just they, she just brought in hot other people. She is not all over the Meredith Mark. brand. She's at the bottom of the page, but also, I believe, with her daughter. Not to bring it here, but this reminds me of Catherine O'Hara's Moira Rose-like monologue that she gives to, is it not, it's not to Alexis, it's a Stevie where she says, take a naked picture yourself, because one day you will look back. I bring it up all the time. You will look back and think what a pretty young thing I was. And I am so moved by that now in a way

that I wasn't even a few years ago when I watched it. I'm like, she's right. She's right. Take the pictures. Take the naked pictures. Although we say that, but like, I don't remember the last time I took a naked picture. Yeah, no, I haven't ever and I won't. But I do like the sentiment.

And that is not to hand it to Sidney Sweeney. Sydney Sweeney is obviously just a shitty, self-obsessed, you know, whatever. But if I did look like that, I would also take a lot of pictures of myself. You're right. So, but I just, but I, but I, but I wouldn't be maga. That's the difference. I would be naked. I would be naked.

I would be nagged. And that's what I said. I don't want to be nagged. Because then I'm maggot. I'm naked. I don't want that. Well, I just want, you know, I just want what the heart wants. We made it to the end of the show and we didn't even talk about baby jank do.

Baby janked-do. Baby jank-doh. Baby jank-doh. I can't believe we didn't bring up baby jank-jank-doh. Baby jank-doh. Baby Jane Doe, Catherine La Nassan making the media circuit. Both saying baby Jane don't. By the chankton.

Because there is a moment where Dana in the pit was it last week or the week before. And she was just talking about baby Jane down to baby Jane down. She's taking formula well. It's because she knows. And so it became a thing on the internet. And now she's doing the media circuit. She had a lovely interview with Colbert talking about grief because Catherine Lassel was like, I was in a really bad place before I got the pit. I had cancer.

I hadn't worked in years. I had like not gotten it. I wasn't getting booked. And I was in like a really dark place. And she was like, I saw, she's like, Stephen Colbert, I saw your interview with Anderson Cooper talking about grief because we all know Stephen Colbert's gone through horrendous loss in his life.

And he speaks about it incredibly. And she's like, I saw your interview talking about how like our grief has to be a part of us. We can't put it aside because it's, it's us too. And she's like, so I just tried to like, like, you know, embrace this part, this, what I was feeling and how devastated I was about how my life had turned out. And then I got the pit. And so my algorithm is that video. And then her now because everyone is doing baby Jai Do, then now she's doing it. Baby Jail. Doe. Take a formula

well. And if that's not enough of an advertisement for the pit, I don't know what it is. For the pit. I don't know what to tell you. I just, I feel like it's like, you can't even talk about it from week to week because I'm just like, it's good. It's good. That's the thing I'm not going to say. It's good. It's so good. That's all I have to say. It's very good.

Although, okay, real quick, I know that we got to get out of here. I did see an interview with Noah Wiley talking about, remember when we brought up, him not wearing the motorcycle helmet on his way to the hospital. Is it checkups? That was all a choice. It was all a choice because he wanted to show in it very easily that he is a full. person outside of the hospital. He contains multitudes and he can make reckless choices too. Exactly.

That makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, Robbie is self-destructive. He clearly is suffering and wants to hurt himself sometimes. And so that is, so it was a specific choice. Ah, ha! That makes sense. That makes sense.

That's, but I was afraid it was like Chekhov's not motorcycle helmet and that something bad is going to happen to his head later. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Anything could happen.

Anything goes. Baby Jane Doe. Thank you guys so much for hanging out with us. And hopefully, if you're baby Jane Doan out to you, do it towards us. You can do it to yourself. Just try it. Say it right now. You want to say it allowed.

Jane's so. That's fun. Just say it. It's incredible. You might put a smile on your face. It's a thing. We all need a laugh, all right? And oh, do we?

Oh, we all need a laugh. And thank you guys so much for getting your laughs. Hopefully over here, even though there was a lot of angry yelling. But that's okay. We got to get it out somewhere. And we love you guys so much. And we hope that you are taking care of yourself. I hope you're taking care of other people as much as you can.

Just remember we can only do so much. And just remember that your brain also can hit capacity as well. Listen to yourself. journal it out. We are going to keep going. Thank you so much, MJ. And please come hang out over on the page 7 Patreon. My God, we've been having a blast. We are now definitely wisteriolaniacs. And I'm excited finding other wistarianiacs in our Patreon group. So come join us on Wednesdays. And man, we've got Suki. And y'all, I think I, did I say this last week? that witches have entered the chat.

Oh. Whiches have entered the chat. Oh, no, I don't think so. And, man, because that's the thing. I saw somebody on the Patreon that was like, I don't like vampires. And I get it. I'm not going to listen to Sooky Stackhouse.

But it's so much more than vampires. But this is why I'm so excited. I realized this as soon as we started Desper Housewives, I was like, I love this shit. I don't, I mean, I'm enjoying Buffy. But this, and Gideon's always like, look at you watching a supernatural thing. Ooh, enjoying a supernatural thing.

And it's true. I am doing a. supernatural thing. But really, where I belong is, you know, the drama, the like housewife, drama, rain. That is where I live. And so, but I get it, person who doesn't like vampires. But I, but now witches have entered the chat. How do you feel about witches? So how do you feel about it? So come hang out with us. And, uh, you know, we have a good time. And it's for a long time. Let's hope. Everybody, we'll talk to you guys next week. MJ, let's sing the song. Fott'll be better

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