Page 7 - Talkin' TV - Dolly Parton of Chimps

Episode Date: August 21, 2024

This week Holden, MJ, and Jackie are goin' CHIMP CRAZY for Director Eric Goode's newest project on Tonia Haddix, MJ is still travelin' and seeing family, and Jackie gets back into Love Off the Grid. ��Holden and Jackie tell an insane and traumatic tale of Facilitated Communication and the doc Tell Them You Love Me, Holden reports that the Crow (1994) holds up, and Jackie continues to rock AMC Stubs to see Alien Romulus, MJ fills us in on the deep sadness of Taken Together, a brief discussion of who's who in Dr Who, and comic book movie continuity, or lack thereof, and MOOOORE on this edition of Talkin' TV!  Chimp Crazy - MaxLove off the Grid Season 2 - MaxTell Them You Love Me - NetflixThe Crow - Amazon PrimeAlien: Romulus - IN THE THEATAHHHHThousandaires - DropoutTaken Together - MaxStarve Acre - Amazon Prime Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

with MJ Holden and Jackie talking TV And you know it's gonna get wacky Because everybody knows Everybody knows and everybody knows we're watching shows We're talking shows We're talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie And ho ho ho ho Are we going chimp crazy

Are we going chimp crazy Are we going chimp crazy? Are we going chimp crazy? We are going chimp crazy here at Talking TV, I was so, so, so excited. I've been hearing about Chimp Crazy for a couple of weeks, and I did not know that the first episode was going to drop yesterday. So, ooh, like a little truffle pig, I oinkied it up. Ooh, I just snucked it up inside of my brain,

because the first episode is only 57 minutes long. And the first line is one of the most bat-shit lines I think I've ever, heard in a documentary. I was watching it via text with a friend of mine and she even said, this doc ramps up so fast, so hard, because guys, sorry, welcome talking TV. How are you guys doing? I'm sorry. I got too excited. No, you're fine. I'm great. I cannot wait to talk about chimp love. Yeah. Chimp crazy because these bitches are chimp crazy. We yelled these biches are chimp crazy. And they're crazy for chumps. They are crazy for chimps.

And now, for those of you that have not been reading about chimp crazy, waiting desperately for it to drop, this is the new show done by the creators of Tiger King. Now, we know what Tiger King had done took hold upon Stuss in the year of 2020. It is what got us through a lot. just the memories of Tiger King. I don't remember much from that time period, but I do remember watching Tiger King, and I have not rewatched it. Have you?

Oh, no. Have you rewatched any of it? No, on the show that, on the page seven, then it will come out this week. We talk about Lana Del Rey writing a letter in May 2020, and it was like, I don't remember anything from May 2020 except Tiger King. Yeah.

And my other pandemic show, which was World's Most Extraordinary Homes, which I keep thinking about. There was this defining, unifying moment. this weird coping mechanism thing. It was like, well, my real world is so insane, but somehow this world of Tiger King is somehow more insane. It was such a good documentary,

but I think that it was one of those things where the circumstances, just like Love is Blind, right? Good idea also. Nothing could have happened better for Love is Blind than the pandemic, right? Like it just launched us all to it. And I'd be like, Tiger King, great documentary. But would it have been something that we talk all the time about the lack of monoculture?

There's too many shows. But the Tiger King was like we're all watching the COVID numbers and we're watching Tiger King. But hear me out, this is going to be another one of these shows because they are drop chimp crazy. It is what I will say is that, man, lightning doesn't hit strike twice? What am I saying? My mouth just stopped working. Doesn't strike twice in the same place. But this time it did.

Documentarian for Chimp Crazy is this hour. Wow. I can't wait to watch more. I have not. I, we kept having to pause it because A, we kept yelling, these bitches are chimp crazy.

And B, just because, like, I would have to go back and be like, did she just say what I think she just said? Because every, like, I don't know, 20 minutes is a new, like, what?

She did what? I mean, Holden and I both watched the trailer while you were getting water, Jackie, and we were both silent, like stunned silence. I love... She's the Dolly Parton of Champs. I reminds me, remember that documentary about the woman who, like, kidnapped the Mormon guy and, like, took him outside of the country, and it was, like, just so insane. Yes, yes.

It was just, it was just like every part of the story just got crazier and crazier, and that reminds me of that. I love docs and, uh, that are like that, you know? The idea of just like illegal exotic animal ownership is so foreign to me. Like the idea of wanting to do something like that. Sure, don't get me wrong. I could look at a jaguar and be like, man, it would be really cool to have a jaguar in my backyard. But I don't want, like I would never.

And these people are, I'm going to just go ahead and say it. I think they're giving crazy a bad name. Like you just look at them, you're like, what are you talking about? This woman says many times, I love the chimps more than I love my children. She's got multiple children. She's got actual human children. Yes. Don't worry.

The family left her a long time ago. And she's not the only crazy one in here. It really is a gold mine for documentaries because inherently all of these people, you have to be a little nuts to want to own a fucking, yeah, like a Panther. You know what I mean? You have to be a little crazy. Yeah, you're going to be like a dynamic person. You're not going to be like a quiet, boring person who owns a panther.

Yeah. Odds are you're like really interesting to watch if you want to own these, to have these types of animals in your day-to-day life. I feel like this documentarian has a never-ending way of like you could just keep going from different kind of exotic animal ownership that I think that there would be someone like these people that are like the champions of the. that exotic animal or those exotic animals that I will just be so absorbed in the idea of like they think what they are doing is right.

And I don't know. I don't know much, but a chimp needs a vegetable. And they don't need happy meals. I'm fairly sure. Like there are things that you're watching what's happening to these monkeys. And also, you think, how does this guy get? this footage, it is so insane. And now I don't think that I'm giving anything away,

because again, this is the first episode, and this happens up top in the first episode, that he lies and has a dummy director go in because everyone knows what he did to Tiger King and what he blew up about Tiger King. So this is all a set up. So these people have no idea that they are actually going to be, like, ripped apart.

And like shown for what they really are. They think that these are people that are going to be championing them. Whoa. That's interesting from an ethical perspective. Yes, it's so, oh, I am so sucked in. You guys got to go chimp crazy. Yeah, I'll definitely throw it on the night. And I know that I can't.

Again, I'm trying not to give anything away. But 57 minutes. Give it your time. And if you don't like chimp crazy, I don't know what to tell you. We don't like similar things. I'm thrilled. We need something like this.

Now that Milf Manor is over, we need something to unite around, you know? Right, right. And it's certainly chimp crazy. It could be one of the other, you know, millions of reality shows that I am maintaining every week, but I think I dare say it's chimp crazy.

I'm thrilled for you. I cannot wait to watch it. Great, great name, too. Great name. really gets in there. These bitches are chipped. This is the thing. And Tiger King, too.

It's just like, yeah, give me the animal and a descriptor that is intriguing for me to watch. Also insane to me that this woman, Tanya Haddix, is not Amber pretending to be a character. Like, I cannot believe that she is not like some brilliant character or actress that they brought in because, wow. That's awesome. I am so intrigued by the rest of this woman's life. as well, which I think we're going to find out more as the story unfolds. This is, Gideon and I have been like, Siki, we have, we, we haven't watched much TV in the last few days because we had additional family.

We're still, we're still away. We're still with family. We're still on vacation. We had additional family visiting. And so I've been up every night till midnight playing banana grams, but I, I, good all banana is that a good family game? Banana Gras off. I usually hate games.

And I've been kind of trying to refuse to play games, but then I play banana grams. and it turns out I fucking love banana grams. All right. So talking TV, talking banana grams. Yeah. Wow. It's a good game. But we were remembering, we were like,

we had this, like, elusive vacation memory of, like, finding the perfect show to watch on vacation, like a show that you could binge and that was like, that we both loved and that was so intriguing. And then we remembered it was Nikki Glazer's season one of F Boy Island two years ago. It was a great summer show. And I feel like I'm always chasing that high, you know. But maybe Chimp Crazy will fill the void. I think Chimp Crazy.

will fill the void. Now, I would say I know this will not fill the void, but they are really killing it with season two, and that is Love Off the Grid. Oh, okay. I saw that that was up on Max, I was considering getting into it. I, did you watch the first season, Holden?

Did I try to get you yet? All right, so the first season. I watched Love Off the Grid. Yeah. Oh, you watched Love Off the Grid. Yeah. We all watched. Yeah, great. So season two, it is now, it is already dropping. Oh, great. There's like three or four episodes out so far. And out my favorite people came back for the second season.

But they have also the hot guy up on the mountain. Oh, yeah. Like that dude with the woman from Miami, they are back and I'm very excited to explore more of their world. And I just like sucked it up so fast. And they just, for those of you that don't remember, love off the grid, which I think that you could probably pick up what I'm putting down here. Love off the grid is where one person lives almost completely off the grid.

and they fall in love with someone who's a bit of a city mouse. And how does the city mouse live in the country house? It is very difficult for them. Despite all their rage, they are just a rat in a cage, it turns out. When it comes to that city mouse. It's like when we were talking about the 90-day people where one of them wants to go Europe vanning around, banning around Europe. And the other one is like a person who really needs, yeah, who needs their routines.

So insane. But yeah, I forgot all about it. about Love Off the Grid, but now it's coming back to me. And that was like a perfect show. I don't watch the one that everybody else loves, the other, like, survival one, naked and afraid. I haven't watched that one, but people love that show too. Also, I was wondering how I watched so many.

I didn't realize it's not week to week, because I did watch five or six episodes of Love Off the Grid, and all of the season has dropped. So you can just binge, binge, binge, binge, binge, binge. Okay, you can just get into it. Joe and Myisha are back, and I love the two of them. Like the tiny dude that just like worships his queen of a woman and they're trying to bring in a third. And that is just, man, they just keep, like they brought another person where I was like,

this bitch like doesn't even like to go outside. Why is she even considering being a part of this thruple? Yeah. Man. Oh, that's exciting. That's on Max, right? Yes. It's on Max.

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Fair enough. Last Podcast Network presents Wizard and the Bruiser. Find it on your favorite podcast app and hit that little subby-dovey button. Ooh, we would love it if you did that. Oh, that would help us out so much. God, wouldn't you love to do that? Don't I sound like the kind of person you want to help?

Like, hit the button. Like, just do it. All right. I think we got to get into it. We got to talk about it. The absolutely opposite of chimp crazy, you mean? Yes. Tell them.

You love me. Tell them you love me. Holden and I did it. So hopefully you guys don't have to unless you want to. It is a documentary that is, isn't it from, who directed it? Isn't it, what's his name? Anyways. Nick August Perna.

Oh, okay, never mind. But Louis Thoreau produced it. So I saw an interview with him where he talked about the movie. I think he was on Theo Vaughn's podcast and they were talking about it. And that intrigued me initially. And so, yeah, I jumped into Alex. And I had been riveted by this story. this is the case of a woman who is,

she's a professional that, uh, is, was, apparently there was like, they found this new way. He's an esteemed professor. She's like a, like a known person who, who, who, who, who is in this groundbreaking approach to having folks with special needs who have major issues communicating. So it's called facilitated communication. Facilitated communication.

They found a way, uh, to have people's special needs, um, who, struggle to communicate, able to communicate using like a keyboard. But the person like has their hand on their hand and they're kind of got, I mean, to me it's, it's most again. They almost hold their arm up. Like if they can't hold their arm up, like for instance, the person in this doc has cerebral cerebral palsy and he can't hold his arm up. So she's holding his arm up, but also holding down his four fingers, the other fingers, so that he can extend an index hand.

So that's the amount of hold she would have on someone. I don't think every person, but just this one specific person. But to me, I think the way they kind of frame it is like, it goes back and forth. The first, they're like, I don't know, it's one of those where you kind of have to figure out where you lie on all this stuff. But clearly his family after a while, like they,

okay, so they get into a like relationship with each other. And it becomes physical and, she's like we're in love. This person is nonverbal. A nonverbal person with several a cerebral palsy. Why can't I say it? Cerebral palsy. And then they use this assistive communication device, but the question is,

is she manipulating the assistive communication? Well, to me, it really is like a Ouija board kind of thing. So this must predate because there's now, I follow a lot of neurodiversity accounts online and there's these eye tracking assistive communication devices now. And I think that the technology so that people who have limited mobility can still like type.

And it's really, really cool. But I think it's pretty new. But I wonder, yeah, I don't know a lot about this. But in terms of like assistive communication technology, I've seen a little bit. But it sounds to me like the question here is was this person taking advantage of this other person. But also what was interesting, it was also about like the beginnings of facilitated communication, which I knew nothing about. So even just where they started and I don't know how far they've gotten like what you're talking about. That's so interesting. And what a whole other doc that's just about the

facilitated communication because working with people and giving them a voice and and you know, just the idea of being trapped inside of your own body not being able to communicate and providing a voice and helping people find their, be able to communicate their own voice. Because the doc also goes through and talks about people that with facilitated communication who have like gone on to get their doctorates and things like that. Like that this is, it was a ground-breaking thing that was helping a lot of people. Yeah. And this brings a lot of it into question of how do you determine what they have control over?

Uh-huh. Right. Yeah. The, the, what I was from, I haven't heard of facilitated communication, but I've heard of of AACs, which are assistive or augmentative or alternative communication devices, which, right, sometimes I know that, like, when I was working with kids with disabilities, the language was nonverbal, but now some disability advocates say non-speaking because somebody might be very verbal, just non-speaking.

Oh, I'm sorry. No, no, this is just something that I'm just saying what I, the little bit that I have, have been. What has been changing in the world. Right, right. But, but for a, I mean, even when I was teaching a decade ago, most kids didn't have any any assistive communication devices. The technology, I think, has developed very, very rapidly. So it makes sense if this documentary is about like the potential for abuse within that, right?

Or for, or the line of like where, you know, you also don't want to assume that this adult person, is being taken advantage of, right? It sounds like that's the... That is what is so fascinating about this documentary. I thought that I was going in because, of course, I think this doc has been out for a couple of months.

I think at this point, people have been telling us to watch this because I love sad things and I love docs, so give me a sad doc any day, babe. But I am, like, I was surprised by how much there was a question.

of his communication ability and what he was able to properly communicate because she exclaimed like she says that everything was consented she says everything was said was asked for but the family doesn't trust her the family does not and and and understandably believes that this was an abuse of power no matter what this is an abuse of power So let's be real here

But I didn't know how much I was going to be in between of like Was he not communicating? Was he? Right. And maybe this is the bitch loves the flowers for Algernon. Like I'm just so like that book broke my brain When I was like 12 years old

Because that was like the first book that really Got me so into like how a story can blow your mind. And so maybe. I'm just thinking of that, of like, but what if he was in a relationship and you just stripped him from it? Right, right, right. I guess I don't want to, I'm trying to decide whether I say this or not, because there's this one line that's in the end of the doc that really gave me pause. Uh-huh. And that, you know what?

I'm going to say it. Yeah. If you don't want to know, skip ahead like three or four minutes. She brings up the fact that after they start banging, that he starts masturbating. And the mother is like, so I made sure I give him a pill so he stops masturbating because that woman opened up this world for him. But they had also said, like earlier in the doc, that if he wanted to do something, it took him a while, but he needed to work towards it and he would eventually be able to do it. Was he masturbating? Did she just take away his ability to masturbate?

Well, why would the parent take that away, rather than even if you. you thought the relationship was uncomfortable for her. Well, sure, but that's, that's not. That's the thing. Yeah. But like, even if you think the relationship is predatory, then you're controlling what this person does with their own. This is something that, you know. I know.

But then you got, but there's also compelling. I need you to know. I'm, I'm just being devil's advocate here. That's it. That's it. That it was a rape. Yes. So it's like so.

I know. I know. So it's so. Gotcha. Gotcha, gotcha. This whole, this movie is like, icky. This is like not a feel good.

Is it, is it well done? Is it well made? It's well done. I think so. It presents these questions thoughtfully and humanizingly and all of that. I feel so. Yeah, that's good.

I feel so blown away by the fact that this happened at all is so insane to me. Uh-huh. Like, just because, you know, especially because they do give a lot of air time to the woman in question, you know, and they have the mom and the brother, too, speaking. They have everybody. And also other, like, because she was an ethics professor. So, like, they're, all their esteemed professors and also, like, anthropologists that are talking that knew her that were like, she, like, there's no way she didn't think

that that was a consensual relationship. Uh-huh. But you also, y'all don't know. We don't know. I know. I know, but I still, my head goes to the Ouija board. You, of course, you think for sure a ghost is in the room moving that thing. And it's so hard to believe that it would be you doing it because you know for a fact, I'm not moving this thing.

You know what I mean? I believe in her brain. Yes. She knows that that relationship was consensual. The way that she talked about that she was not pushing his hand. Interesting. Ooh, okay. This is really, it's a really.

really fucking fucked up story. It's a fucked up. It's a fuck. Interesting questions around disability as long as it was done in a respectful and not like a, you know, I think sometimes there's... I think so. I'm not going to be shocked. Like, I feel like just having this conversation, we have an email in our future coming in. And if we just, we don't know. I need you guys to know.

Please explain us. We are not in the disability advocacy world. But don't be mad at us. We're thinking these things and talking about these things. Please don't be bad because we're just trying to unpack this crazy story. and we have no idea. And I know there's way more stuff, you know, going on here.

You know what I mean? Like there's just so much going on here. And it does say at the end of the documentary, that facilitated communication has been like not been considered as a like valid form of, you know, communication in this way. But I haven't heard of that. But it does help people. Interesting.

But that's what's so like. They make the case for that in the doc. Yes. Yes. It's been extremely. helpful for people, but it is biased in that way. I will say it is biased towards the idea of, I would, I, it seemed towards facilitated communicate.

But at the end it's, but at the end it's like, hey, this has been like denied as a, I don't know, I feel like it starts that way. And by the end, it kind of makes more the case that this was like super fucked. So it's just crazy. I'm sure that there are people who know more, who are in disability advocacy world who might have thoughts on this. So, of course, we would welcome your feedback and thoughts on it. And I'm going to watch it.

It sounds interesting. Yes. I'm just, it is, I, it's so interesting that they have all of the players. Right. Usually in these kind of docks, you don't have the actual, yeah, you don't have both sides. Right. Right. I kind of wish I got a little more of, but I understand why not.

They give you a little bit of D-Man, like current day at the very, very end, but just a little bit. And I'd almost be more, be interested. but it's like how unable to communicate he is, though. I mean, anytime you see him and stuff, it's like he can't have like an interview. They don't interview the disabled person himself. No. And so, and I get why he's not like in it, but I'm like.

They took away his, they took away the communication. Interesting. But was it, I don't know. I know. But was it even his community, you know what I mean? Was it even his communication? It's just such a weird, it's such, it really makes you start thinking. a lot about disability, a lot about, especially now with the eye gazing device. I don't know,

I think that the eye gazing technology is really new. But yeah, the idea is that so that if people do have limited mobility, they can still, they can still communicate. Well, and how much is like, how much are they, like, trapped inside of their body with this stuff? And how much are they, like, you know, and how well, like, how able to think and, you know, have thoughts and feelings, like, at what level are they at developmentally is like really tricky, you know, to figure out and parse. Right. When there's so much going on with the disability. I was talking, I was talking with our cousin that was in town that was watching it with me.

And he is like, he goes under, you know, obviously dirt through the trial. He is brought under for observation. But it's a three hour long observation. It's only one observation for three hours in a highly stressful situation that no matter how, like, no matter how your body runs, you're going to not perform for you the way that, like, he might necessarily be able to do because there was a lot going on. He's separated from the people he knows. He's with someone he does not usually work with. He's, it's all, like, it's, think about that. It's just one, one time that they watch it. And I think that one of the

things about disability advocacy stuff is that, yeah, sometimes the people who are charged with working with people who with disabilities aren't coming at it from an equal and respectful perspective, right? They're coming from with this kind of top down. I know I'm an expert at this, you know, type of, I think that's been a huge part of disability advocacy in general is like not experts coming in and speaking about. We know exactly what's going on with this person, right? But so that, yeah, that sounds like a complicated one to do in a documentary. And think of how hard you would fight if you thought that your child was under go, like what he was undergoing.

Yeah. And what you would do. Of course. If you think some crazy lady just like, manipulating him. Took your child and it's like aering them and then fucking telling you they're like going to, they're in love and going to run away to get and like trying to, you know, and it's like, oh, well, you're guiding their hands.

So like you have total control over this situation. Uh-huh. You know, and I don't trust you. Definitely not anymore. It's such a, it's just. So I totally get fully their perspective. You know what you mean? Completely get their perspective.

Wow. Very bizarre. Really sucks you in, though. I'm sorry I talked so much. I probably ruined it for some people. But I want, if you know of any interesting docs that talks about like the furthering of facilitated communication, let me know because I'm so, I'd love to know more about it and how it is changed and what they're actually doing. Because you said they have AACs in schools now. MJ? There's certainly more, I mean, again, I'm really, really, really not an expert, but

like it was something that was really, really hard to come by to get like really good assistive like AAC programs. And I think now there's like really good programs that like a lot of non-speaking kids with autism use like really successfully. But they like, it's one of these things where those programs are expensive and they're hard to access. And there's a lot of barriers to getting the best, like, assistive communication technologies. And so that's kind of the bit. But I also know that the technology has come a long, long way in the last few years. But the reason I'm putting out a call to people who know more about this stuff is because,

obviously, always better to hear from disabled people themselves about this. Oh, yes, please. I know from, like, a teaching perspective a little bit. And then, yeah, from now, just I'm kind of trying to educate myself about neurodiversity stuff. and communication stuff and have just seen a little bit here and there. But I really, I don't know that much either. No, but thank you for adding what you did know about it, because that is fascinating because I wasn't even thinking about bringing it into schools

and how expensive it must be trying to even add in progress. Like, Lord knows. You know, an AAC, it's like, what does it cost? Oh, my God. Right, right. Like a public school will put the funds toward, like they have the funds to put towards it. Anyway, sorry, I'm not talking about school funding. What are you guys taking down?

Holden, do you want to go? That's been, I mean, that was my main one for sure. I will say, I'm going to give some shoutouts to Jackie. We recently did our crow episode for, ah, for Wizard of Bruser. And the crow holds, oh. Yeah, dude. It's so good.

It's so fucking good. It's so sad that this new one's just going to, it's all over it. This new one's going to, man. And what a professional. profoundly heavy and crazy story, the whole story of how that came to be and then what happened during the shooting, of course, we all know. But man, especially if you want just the top of the line, bat-shit craziest, like, bad guy roles. Bad guys, man, you hate those bad guys.

I want to write, I think I want to write a movie about crazy, like, 90s bad guys, like a mystery man, but for crazy 90s bad guys. I love this. They're so fun to watch. They're so fun to play. You know, just like, I'm going to play with this razor blade. You know what I mean? They're like mountains of cocaine and they're, you know what I mean?

They're all just acting their guts out. Hell yeah. And it's so much fun. And, you know, of course, Brandon Lee is fantastic as well. Everyone does such a good job. And I think it really is just a solid. I really was not expecting it to hold up as well as it did. It's really, really great still in 2024.

So shout out to the crowd. That makes me happy. That makes me very, very happy. Now, I have been dancing and dallying with the idea of re-watching the alien movies. Sure. You know, Summerween and all. But I just went to watch the most recent one. And I was like, you know what?

I don't think I need to watch them all. I think I would just watch the first two. Yeah, that was what we did. Last October, we did Alien and Aliens. We got to do Alien versus Predator. Yeah. I know. I love the AVPs.

AVPs, I'm always down to watch. You're right. I'd slap the AVPs on there. I, you know, Alien Romulus is supposed to happen between the first and the second alien. Oh, interesting. Okay. Yes. So it is, I had a lot of fun with it. Go into it to have a lot of fun. Uh-huh. It was, you know, I was really with it and I was really like, ooh, all right, this is hitting, this is hitting. And then, man, that final act, huh? I'm not going to ruin anything. It's interesting. I had fun and I laughed a lot with the audience at moments and in ways that I know we were not supposed to be laughing. But it wasn't the actor's fault. I really don't think it was their fault.

Like the dude that played the AI guy, like there's an AI person in it, he's great, the people that are like the cast, but the script guy, like I know, it's a summer blockbuster. I shouldn't be expecting much, but I love the first two alien movies so much that this is my fault. It's my fault that I go into it being like, this is, this is going to be, man, it's going to knock my ass off. This is going to be the alien that I'm like, whoa, guys, yeah, hell yeah, better than Sigourney. I'm never going to say better than Sigourney. Never will.

Won't say it and I need to get that in my thick dome. But I did have fun with it. And if you've got AMC stubs, definitely go see it. All right. All right. This is good because Gideon is a big alien boy. So this is good to know. It's fun.

Okay. It's definitely fun. Okay. So wait, you endorse it. I thought you did not like it. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah.

It was fun. Sounds like endorsement, but don't expect it to be as rewarding as the first two. How do you feel about any movie that comes out in August, July, August? You go see it and go, wow, I saw that. And now I don't have to see it again. Wow, that now lives inside of me. And then you forget that it ever happened. And I have a feeling that that's the way that Alien Romulus is going to go.

I'm probably never going to think about it ever again. So I guess does that make it a great movie? Does it make it a bad movie? I don't think either one. You're going to hear us talk about it a lot on the big show tomorrow. but probably all three of us are going to go see it ends with us. So that'll be a movie that we see. And then hopefully don't have to talk about further.

I guess we have to see it. There's just so many other things I would rather be watching. I will say I started watching. You know, we're making our way through the dropout shows. And one of the ones of like, man, I would love to do that at our network. And we're never, ever, ever going to be able to is this show called Thousandaires. This show called Thousand Ares, and every show has five people, and they are all given a thousand dollars each. And they are each given a thousand dollars to surprise the other four people on the panel with what they spent their thousand dollars on.

So it's all different. Like it could be fun things for everybody. It could be a dumb fun thing for you. It could be a dumb fun thing for one person. and then the host, the host changes every show. The host always has $1,000, but they put it towards the gift of who, like the prize of whoever wins the game show.

They get the ridiculous gift at the end. And I just sit there and think of the dumbest things I would do for a thousand, like with $1,000 to shock you both. I just, name a thing and I want to do it. It's like the time that me and my brother were on a scavenger hunt for a comedy show at the creek and one of the items on the scavenger hunt was take a picture with something really expensive.

And so I went into the Gucci store and took a picture of myself with an $850, no, not $8,000, $8,000. Wow. Yes. And we won that scavenger hunt. And it was terrifying. You didn't get kicked out of the Gucci? I can't believe I didn't get kicked out of the Gucci. But you have no idea what a store like that is like.

The dressing rooms, they're not like a dressing room in a Nordstrom rack. What happens in the dressing room? What happens? It's like they'll bring you champagne. I mean, I really got in and out pretty quickly. I'm sure I was wearing cutoffs and an A shirt, you know, so I think they knew that I wasn't supposed to be in there. Or you're the richest.

It could go either way. You never know. I feel like L.A. has really taught me really, really rich people, either dress really rich or they dress like Justin. Like Justin Bieber going to church, yeah. Which is probably very expensive things, but the way it looks. Yeah. Agreed. Well, I'm watching a true crime that's about Iowa.

And it's making me miss Tim Walz and this true crime about Iowa are making me miss the Midwest. Is Tim Walz in the documentary? No, he's not the documentary. Just every time he talks, I miss Minnesota. I'm watching a documentary called Taken Together. I feel so stupid recommending these true crimes because they're all just dumb, you know, just like. They're your be treats. No.

There might be treats, exactly. And also, we thank you, MJ, because you're watching them because I saw taken to, I saw like the, the, the poster for it. Is it worth my time, MJ? Yeah, I mean, I think that it's well done and interesting. But again, it's just like when you ask me, is verity good? I'm like, I don't, it's a kind of inherently, I don't know, I don't think that, I think a documentary about like a tragedy that happens to a particular family is like inherently

can only be so good. Sorry. Underneath the name, if you look up taken together, because I was looking up what streamer I saw it. It's called Taken Together Who Killed Lyric and Elizabeth. But it also says cooking show underneath it. And it's because her last name is cook. And so they're referring to it as a cooking show.

And I just think that's very funny. Because I think it's about the abduction. Exactly. Exactly. You need a human being to say what this show is about. It's not about cooking. But yes, if you like that type of news magazine murder story, which I do, I think it is good. So it's an abduction?

What are we talking here? It's an abduction. It's sad. It's sad. It's embarrassing to even say, this is what I watch. I don't know why I watch it. We want to hear about also I've been talking about my video essays, MJ. So I think, and you know what? I want to say thank you to everybody that has shared video essays for me to watch. I'm very excited because I am going to be watching a lot of video essays over the next couple of weeks. So thank you guys so much. Hit me with more page 7 podcast at gmail.com. I want anything about. storms, anything about rides, anything about, you know, upsetting where a bunch of people died and maybe they shouldn't have with dumb things that billionaires spend their money on. This is the, this is the scenery for me in my video essays. Yeah, it's very fun to hear from you guys because, yeah, it is hard. I just feel like I don't know, like I know that Big Little Lies is like a really good version of a housewife murder mystery.

I don't know if I know that Colleen Hoover's books are. And I don't know if I could explain. why one is good and one is not coho. And I feel similarly with the true crimes that I watch. I'm like, I know a good one. Like this one feels like a good one, but I don't know what makes it good or better than a date line, which is what I used, you know, a dateline or 2020, which is what I grew up watching.

And so there's just something about that news magazine style of true crime that I, for some reason, I'm captivated by. And this one is set in Iowa. So if that is the thing you like, I do recommend it. Hell yeah. Now, I have something that I'm not recommending for everybody. because it is certainly not a movie for everybody, but if you like slow, folk horror, like I do,

again, not for everybody. But we've just watched, I've been waiting for this movie to come out called Starve Aker. It's called Starve Aker, and it is starring a one Matt Smith, and he does not look like a foot this time around. I actually was kind of surprised because I'm so used to now watching Matt Smith

in House of the Dragon. and the only other time I'd ever seen Matt Smith in anything was in the cone. And so I disliked him because we don't like him in the cone. We don't like Philip, yeah. But he was great in it, and he's great in House of the Dragon. And I just feel like, and I know I haven't gone down the Who rabbit hole. Yes, yes. Well, there's a lot of hot doctors, and unfortunately he's one of them.

I'm going to be real with you. I've never seen an episode of Doctor Who before. Yeah. So I know nothing about the world. I just know that a lot of people want to fuck the doctor. And apparently Matt Smith was one of the people that people wanted to fuck. And I didn't really see it kind of until Starvaker, even though he's not a haughty in this. Again, slow, plotting, book horror.

But I was like, would I kiss Matt Smith for the first time while watching Starvaker? Did he have his long legs on? No. No. No. There was not a long leg in sight. Why can't I think about the doctor who I really want to sleep with? Obviously David Tennant, but then the other one, Peter Capaldi.

Thank you. So I will say Matt Smith, I never wanted to sleep with until I saw him so sweetly correct the misgendering of his co-star from House of the Dragon. And then suddenly I was like, oh, look at you. Oh, and then also on the crown, disturbingly, I did find him handsome. Also, I just looked up Peter Capaldi because I don't know who this is. And of course, this is the one you want to bang the most. Am I number one type? Of course, this is one.

He's got a big old Scottish accent too. Oh, man. Look up Peter Capaldi. Just like the third picture of him is in like a Renaissance, like a Shakespeare play with like the big floppy ad on. It's like, yeah, I see it. I get it. How I love him. I love number one doctor I want to sleep with Peter Capaldi.

Number two, David Tennant. Canonically, what is the best? Do you know? I'm sorry, I know that Gideon is more the who-ist of the two of you, but you've watched your fair share of who, right? I've sat in the room with him while he watches his who. Who is the best doctor? Oh, people will have, I can't even. We'll get so many emails.

You think we're going to get emails talking about disability advocacy. Wait for the emails from the Hoovians. They have such strong feelings. Honestly, people love Matt Smith. I just feel like it's very intimidating. It's intimidating to jump into Doctor Who. Yes, because Gideon's been watching this show since he was a child with his dad. You know, like, and it's, it's like, it's supposed to be weird.

Like, it's really weird. You can't even really describe what it's about. But, yeah, people would have, people have so many feelings about their doctors. But I feel like Matt Smith, I mean, when Gideon finds out that somebody is a fellow who vian, and his first question is, who's your favorite doctor. So it's like, it's something that people talk. about a lot. Right. It's like the thing. It's like a personality quiz, right? Of which doctor you like the most. Yes. Yes, exactly. And I think that probably I'm going to say most people are

going to say David Tenet because he's David Tenet. It's so funny trying to explain the kind of world of like universes like to someone like me because I watched the Captain America. There's a new Captain America coming out, which, asleep. I'm asleep. And I was just like, wait, has he been Captain America before and Jeff's like no this is a different Captain America I was like what do you mean why is the Hulk red I don't understand I was like I immediately was like as it was coming out of my mouth I almost was like I don't care never mind I don't care I don't want to know I don't all of this is all of this because comic books have been being in being sold since like the in perpetuity yes yeah and it's and they have to keep reinventing the wheel and so and

comic books themselves that's been going on and now finally in movie form, they also now have to redo the same wheel reinvention by now there's a new Captain America. Or the fact that... Now there's a different color. Yeah, and the fact that Robert Downey Jr. is now going to play the other... In my brain, it hurts. Yeah. But for the world of people that have grown up and know comic books, I feel like in the same

way where people that play video games know how to play many video games because you know know the like one stop shop of the booboops that everybody knows and I don't know the boop boops when people are like yeah you've got to go and find the key to the door it's like what are you talking about i don't know it's like eras okay you've got bad girl tay and you also have you know country music tay and everything in between okay but it's all still tay but she's just different versions of her yeah you know what i mean that's like the Hulk thing yeah also i'm not saying that this is wrong. I need you to understand. I think that this is fun. I just am trying to like break open my brain. It's a language you don't speak. Yes. That's really what it is. So it's

like I say that I don't care. But I actually did listen. And Jeff explains like the different like generations of the different Captain Americas and why they are all different. And like and the different generations to, um, I just, you know, I do zone out. But I appreciate the fact that he. he has a place where he can explain it. But it actually just comes from the fact that they have to both end things and then begin things a lot in order to keep people going to the theater. Because if they just kept the same group of people just doing like similar things, then people would be like, I'm bored of this, which a lot of people are being like with superhero stuff. So, you know, they're always trying to find the new gimmick that will make every. And I think they were banking on the multiverse being a way bigger thing for them.

And it got played out really fast. And then other reasons like Jonathan Majors. And so they were like, uh, fuck it. Never mind. And then now they're scrambling and just giving us other stuff. I have a question for you as a graphic novel reader. Do you ever then get sad when a character dies or do you just know that they're going to most likely be brought back? So it never makes you sad.

Great question. I mean, you are tapping it. into a whole jaggy Doctor Who and now this I mean what are we doing here? Is this too much? Is this too big?

Okay so essentially there was a massive event in my life back in the day and that was called When he first learned how to jerk off? Sure.

Oh. But a woman helped me she was holding my hand and me. Don't bring up the dock. No. It's not about that at all. Okay.

It is an event called the death of Superman and it took the world by storm, we were all like blown away by it and thought it was the biggest deal ever. That was huge for Henry. It was huge. Again, I grew up sitting next to a graphic. So it's like I literally just looked up.

I remember that cover of this issue. There's a couple things that happened around that time. There was also Batman getting his back broken by Bain was another big one as well. And it was a lot of these big moments happening with Superman. though, they just like did this whole series where there were like different types of Superman. There was like the different. And then they chose the true Superman at the end of it to be the new Superman. Kind of after that, I was like, oh, they're just going to keep like, you know, I think at the end of the day,

that's, I think, really just a gimmick. And at the end of the day, what's interesting is just a really good story, right? Telling a good story, playing with these archetypes and tropes and bringing and coming up with new compelling concepts around, you know, Joker and the Batman and what that means to us as a society and what Superman represents, you know what I mean, and like finding interesting twists. So, um, depends on, like, if it's like a superhero comic book that just keeps going and going and going, the death becomes a lot less relevant, I guess. Yeah. And Robert Dutty Jr., returning kind of softens the impact of the death of the death.

death in endgame, right? Yes. A little bit. So, yes, I do think that does help to trivialize what are initially, like, really important moments. And now that's, I think, the biggest problem the multiverse has is the fact that they essentially went, yeah, okay, and now we brought the multiverse in so we can just bring anybody back because it can just be, you know, like the multi, the concept of the

multiverse is like there's the me in this universe. and then there's the me that is just like me in a different universe, but he just chews gum all the time. And, you know what I mean? And then there's the me that has, like, slightly longer legs. Spider pig. And then there's the me that's a spider pig. Yeah.

You know what I mean? So, so you essentially can just bring Robert Downey Jr. back as Iron Man whenever the fuck you want. And you can have him be Dr. Doom. And you can, you know what I mean? It just sort of like, it does this, like, trivializing thing that I think is going to, It does kind of fuck over the impact of any given death, right? I just feel like it kind of waters it down.

It waters it down. I agree. Jesus, we're going long. Yeah. We got to get to leftovers. All right, let's sing the song. And thanks everybody for joining us to talk to TV. We're going on break.

And it's going to be good, but we'll be back soon with more talking TV. Yeah. We better believe it. We are coming back and we are going to talk so much TV at you. We are going to have a bunch of TV to talk. I'm very excited about it. Yeah. And of course, the new, the regular page.

7 will still be on the regular feed, brand new episodes that we recorded ahead of time. We just won't have new talking TVs for the next two weeks. Yes, but we also still will have the Buffy watchalongs as well as Jackie's book club over on the Patreon. So go check it out. We will miss you guys, but I'm going to be watching a lot of television. We're going to be able to talk about all of Chimp Crazy by the time we get back. That's awesome.

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