Page 7 - Talkin' TV - Doomsgay

Episode Date: January 15, 2025

This week on Page 7, Holden and Jackie give an update on what it's been like living in the fires as well as give MJ a rundown on Anora. Jackie avoided the fire one day by seeing The Brutalist, and MJ reports back that Season 3 of Natalia Grace probably shouldn't exist, but it did get Gideon and them to watch something other than Only Murderers, despite the true star of the show "Lady Out A Window" finally appearing. The new Jerry Springer doc on Netflix is just as crazy as it seems, and Jackie recommends Jenny Nicholson's youtube doc ripping apart the Dear Evan Hanson movie. Holden recommends Netflix's "No Good Deed" which reminds MJ of Lisa Kudrows classic comedy series "The Comeback" and Jackie has given up on Squid Game. MJ finished Other Mothers and gives it a thumbs up, Holden's still readin' One Piece, and Jackie finally finished creature commandos and highly recommends it! All that and more on this week's Talkin' TV! Want to help out those affected by the fires in LA? antirecidivism.org is raising money for the incarcerated prisoners that are fighting the LA fires, 100% of the donations go directly to them when you write 'firefighter fund' on your donation! Anora - Amazon PrimeThe Brutalist- in the THEATAHHHHThe Curious Case of.....- MaxJerry Springer: Fights, Camera, Action - NetflixA Needlessly Thorough Roast of Dear Evan Hansen - Jenny Nicholson Youtubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8quWUSZCW5g&ab_channel=JennyNicholsonNo Good Deed - NetflixThe Comeback - MaxYou Can't Ask That - NetflixThe Other Mothers by KATHERINE FAULKNERCreature Commandos - MaxWant even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

with MJ Holden and Jackie talking TV. And you know it's going to get wet. Because everybody knows what everybody knows. And everybody knows. And everybody knows. We're talking to TV with MJ Holden and Jackie. You know, I am still, I'm going to go ahead and say it. I'm going to suck on my own self for a moment because even though most of this week I didn't have power,

still was able to get some stuff in there. I was wondering if I was like, Gideon, I need to have some things to talk about because Jackie and Holden are living in a crisis. You're so sweet, MJ. I got to watch some time. So I literally was like, so I'm sorry, but you have to watch the curious case of Natalia Grace season three with me. So that's what I did to help my community. I appreciate, you know what? Any help counts, MJ.

We appreciate your help. Now, we did just record. We usually record page seven before talking TV. I did just want to say up top before we jump into all of our TVs. I just want to say thank you to everybody for reaching out to all of us and for everything that we are going through here in Los Angeles. And we really appreciate your thoughts and well wishes because it is a very trying time that we are going through. And man, we need community now more than ever.

And I just want to say thank you to everybody that has just, even if it's only just sending a, hey, thinking of you, I really appreciate it. So there's a new season of community? What? You're talking about community. You said we need community now than more than ever. And I just made me think of the television show. The television show, yeah.

Well, they never finished it. So maybe if they could do that, like while Hollywood is burning. Yeah, that would be a cool, celebrity. Finish that out, I guess. Outreach. Yeah, that would be nice. Give us something to watch. Give Joel McHale another job.

He always deserves it. Yeah. I finally got around to watching Anora. the ANORA virus. It was great. I really loved it. It's now, it was discounted on Amazon, but it's the thing is backed up to $10 for the rental, which is dumb and annoying. But soon it should be, I bet it'll be free on max in a week because I paid to watch it. And that's usually what happens. If I pay to watch something, it's on max in a week. Will you tell me about ANORA?

Mikey Madison is so good in it. She's so good in it. It's about this like stripper who ends up this like very young, this young, rich, like, kind of trust fund type kid. Like a young Russian dude. Young Russian dude. They end up like getting together and, and getting married in Vegas on like a spur of the moment kind of crazy partying trip, right? And then his family finds out and they're a bunch of crazy Russian people. And they go to like stop the, to get the, they intervene to get the marriage and Knowles. Mikey Madison puts on such a great performance.

She kills it. She really kills this. Yeah. Because even just explaining that, because honestly, like, the movie is more, I feel, like a character piece for Mikey Madison.

Like she, and if she wasn't as good as she was in it, the movie would have failed. Interesting. Because it's all on her. It really is. And it definitely reminds me of, like, I'm really liking this lane

in films right now, as I am also very invested in the class war. Like, it reminds me of a triangle of sadness. quite a bit just in terms of its themes and everything. And I know I was thinking about rewatching triangle of sadness because it made me think of that movie and I loved that movie so much. And it really reminds me of that there's like kind of comedic elements, but with like,

but the whole thing has very dark undertones. It's very much about class difference and about how dumb money is and how annoying rich people are and that kind of thing. It's, it's great. And it really changes a lot, too. It's kind of movie where it's like, wow, I can't believe this is act two. Like, act one was like its own thing. Act two, it just goes to a totally new direction.

I call that a salt burn. Yeah, yeah, it's a salt burn for sure. Yes. It's definitely kind of a salt burn. She's in the bathtub. Yeah. She's in the bathtub. Oh, no, don't put it in my brain.

Yeah, it's also a salt burn because it took us like two nights to watch it. It's, God, movies are so long. I mean, this movie... Oh, you want to talk long movies? Let's get into it. Let's talk about the Brutalus. So anyways... Oh, you want to talk long movies?

Two big thumbs up on Anora. Now that it's hitting streamers, everyone should now definitely watch it. I think it's like one of the big movies of the year that people are talking about for award season. That really earns its right. That's not a power of the slog. Unlike the Brutalus or an hours of the slog,

which the Brutalus is an hours of the slog, yeah? It's not even that. It's not even hours of the slog. You know, the first, okay, I, this movie Everybody took away from the original thing that nobody even knows what you're talking about anymore. Which was, it was the Oscar movie Power of the Dog

which was so, so, so, so boring, boring, boring. I couldn't believe. And I'm usually, I love a slow, like, Western or whatever. I love a slow movie. I'm down. It's so not a good one of those. It's so boring. Here's the thing with the Bruteless.

Now, to be fair, let me paint the picture. we were running away from, it was like day three of us not having power. I was like, I just want to watch something. I just want to sit. And I was like, well, the Brutelist is almost four hours long. If there's a time to watch it, it's now, because we're avoiding being in our own home. So we went to go see the Brutelist. Now, I will say, and something that I encourage other movies to do, there was an intermission.

Love that. Loved it. The second I saw that intermission screen come up, I was like, thank you. It makes it more palatable. I don't want to have to go to a movie. As someone that usually has to pee during a movie, just being like, oh, God, am I going to have to pee twice during this movie? Like, it provides anxiety for me when I'm in a movie theater,

even though it's dumb. We're in the big seats. It's not like you can't get out and go pee. It's just the matter of principle, okay? Well, also now that I feel like now that all the movie theaters or many of them have those, like, nice cocktails and stuff, I feel like it's wild to expect people to drink out. alcohol, like, legally through a movie and then not be able to go to the bathroom. You know what I mean?

Right. And go and like to see a four hour long movie. And for those of you that don't know, this movie is about like the architectural style. I mean, it's not about the architectural style of brutalist design, but he is a brutalist designer, Adrian Brody in the movie is. And it is a long, it is about his experience coming to America. The first half of this movie is awesome. Really, really enjoyed it. Adrian Brody is Adrian Brody. You know, he's going to be, he's going to do the accent, he does the whole thing, it's great.

But, and he will say at least it wasn't just like a, you know, a story I've seen before. It was definitely something new. I enjoy that. I can't, I don't want to spoil the second half of this movie. Okay. And I dare say it comes all the way down to probably the last

half hour that when the movie was over, I was like, that's how you ended it. And I need, I don't, like I said, I don't want to give anything away, but I need to talk to someone else who has seen this movie. Oh, no, I wish that I knew. There is this, I literally, I looked up the Brutalus, the slate headline I see right here. This year's new Oscar frontrunner is almost a masterpiece. Then comes that ending.

And I'm glad to see this. Can you spoil it? Because I want to know what it happens. Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to see the, this is not a time in my life when I get to see. see a four hour movie. I'll tell you guys off, I'll tell you guys off Mike. Okay. Because I don't want to ruin it for other people. Because again, if you're going to sit and watch a four hour long movie. And to be fair, it is more like three hours and 40 minutes. But with the trailers and everything, we were at the movie theater for four plus hours. That's a lot of hours. It might as well be four hours to be, dog. That's... You can round up. It is a thing. And I, but I love that. And everyone did a great job in it. The, uh, oh God, what's his name? Guy Pearce. He's great. He's great. as his character. It's got such, like, fun nuance to it. It's so well written. Man, that end.

I need to know why it ended that. And I'm sure, I'm sure there's a high flu, like, there's a discourse around it that will explain it to me. And maybe then, I, and maybe I'm, it's, I'm just too dumb to understand. Like, maybe that's what it is of why it went that way. But I was so surprised and taken back that I was like, I just, spent four hours. I was upset about my time as if I wasn't just going to be sitting in the dark crying if I wasn't watching this movie. But also while this movie was going on was when the Hollywood Hills fires started, which is the one that was even closer to my house than the other two very close fires. So my phone was blowing up. I was going to ask. And I became the person,

which I never am that pulled, I kept having to pull out my phone and like kind of looking over to the side. And I'm never that guy. I was like, what is happening? And, you know, we're in the middle of our city burning. So I did have to check the phone a couple of times. But also, again, four hour long movie. Were other people at the movies? Or were you guys the only ones there?

Oh, no. Movie was packed. Because probably other people had lost power. It's been very, like, weirdly just in our bubble, normal seeming. It's so strange. But filled with a brutal, like, over, ever-present anxiety and types. And tightness. There's kind of a, yeah, there's sort of an underlying dread, but, but it's, if you went out

onto the streets, sort of an underlying dread. Like, if you didn't have any idea what was going on and you walked outside, I don't think you would necessarily be like, you'd be like, oh, there's like a couple extra people wearing masks than normal. And that's already, it's L.A., so people still wear masks, you know. Right, right. Sometimes, right. So that's not even that unusual.

You literally like, I mean, I'm going to Shake Shack. I'm going, you know, we're going the playground. And it's just like the sky, like there was a day or two last week where it was like, okay, you can kind of smell it in the air. You can see like dark clouds like in the distance. And also it's literally just because of the way the wind is actually blowing of how much we smell. That's the thing. So the last handful of days, it's just been blue, clear blue L.A. skies.

but if you just go like a little ways down another way you can see the you know I got to pick a picture from the CBS which is not far from us Of the flames where you can see the flames coming up over the mountains and it looks like we're in fucking hell yeah Oh wow we're actually so close to hell

Oh we can just look at the flames When we go to the grocery store But it's not this extremely oppressive thing that I think you think it is right now You know what I mean? It's like how when you're in New York And like if there if like you know something happens in New York.

There's a subway shooting or something. And then everyone texts you and it's like, are you guys okay? And it's like, oh, no, this is fine. This didn't impact us at all. You know, like that happens sometimes. There's a crisis in your city and people check in and it's like so nice that they do. But you're like, this isn't impacting me. However, what's different for you guys, again, this one is impacting us.

Right. Even if you are not directly on fire, like the magnitude of this crisis, it's just, you guys are in just such a weird situation. I'm so glad that you are not actively on fire. fire right now. And I know that the psychological weight of knowing that you are surrounded by fire and like going to the movies. Well, yeah, what I was thinking is like, I have a hard time. I never want to be that person at the phone at the movie who takes up my phone, but I have anxiety about not looking at my phone because what if there's an emergency? Well, you have children,

yeah. Exactly. And so, but I can imagine going to the movies when you're not sure if you will need to evacuate, it probably alleviates some of the anxiety to look at Adrian Brody for almost four hours. And also, I will say, I do, that's why I want to talk to someone else about the ending that I'm like, was I just so upset about a bunch of other things? I mean, the end is upsetting.

So it is, I think, I think that I am fine with having this opinion. But, like, also, I was in a very weird head space. So maybe that gave me a certain perspective while watching the movie, which I feel like sometimes we forget when it's like,

oh, man, I hated that movie. Then all of a sudden later, it's like, oh, yeah, I was in a really, bad mood while I was watching it. That's why I mean that movie, you know what I mean.

Like, I mean, I all week, again, I don't live in L.A. Haven't spent any time in L.A. except the time that I've been there with you guys. And I all week could barely focus on anything else just because this, what's happening is so. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it's just so it's fucking the magnitude of it.

It's like impossible to comprehend. And so again, you guys being there, it's, this is going to be a strange talking TV because I'm sure you're like half thinking about the brutalist. and half terrified. Yeah. Slash devastated. Yeah. In every conflict,

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channel, where we'll be taking your calls live on air. Help us, help you figure out who's the bitch. But terrified, devastated of Natalia Grace. I don't know, MJ, are we? You know how Season 2 of Natalia Grace really showed us that this is probably just something that shouldn't be being made. I stopped at season two, so that's why I'm curious how,

like, because I saw that more episodes are out, and I was like, more episodes are out. I didn't remember this. What was the, what is this? Curious case. Oh, with the, is she, is she old? Is she old? Is she baby?

Oh, God. They're back with more of that. I think I watched the second season, but I don't even, no, I don't even, I think I never got around to it. Okay. What new secrets can we behold? Okay.

So there's two things. There's, first of all, what's back is Curious Case of Natalia Gray season three. And then what is premiering today, which, so I haven't seen it yet, last night, we thought we were going to get to watch it. But it's a whole new set of the curious case of dot, dot, dot, blanks. So it is like a 30 rock joke, the escalation of what more shows they're going to do for more curious cases. But, yeah, we'll talk, we can talk a little bit about it to tell you, Grace.

It's just sad. It's just, it's sad. You know, it's just like this is, this is, she's not, she's not a grown woman when she was a child. Now she is a grown woman. This is, but like, this is just a lot of weird things are happening. The family that adopted her is obviously extremely weird culty Christians. That's basically what's happening in season three. Do you recommend people watch it? No, no, no, no.

No, no, no, no, no. I mean, if you're curious. No, no, no, no. You're curious for a curious case. But I have to read you the other curious cases that will be coming thanks to investigation discovery. First of all, speaking of sad, Bamargera, the curious case of Ban Marjera. I just saw that. Weird.

The curious case of the girl who died twice. Again, this is going to just seem like a joke list. The curious case of the orphan imposter. Oh. The curious case of the funeral home of horrors. I only see the band Margera one. Where are you seeing all of these? Last but not least, the doomsday cat cult,

the curious case of the doomsday. Oh, I like dooms gay. Dooms gay. Doomsday cat cult. Also, Jody Hildebrandt. So that's the whole Ruby Frankie thing. But anyway, it's like the bad thing about Max is that it's like, like, ooh, we're HBO, we're Max.

Watch these series of documentaries with us. But it's not. And it is like the worst thing that you would find at 2 a.m. on cable, you know, it's, Natalia Gray, I cannot believe they made a season three. It's just like this is obviously a person who has been exploited. Yeah. From every direction. Everyone is crazy in it.

Everyone is, there's no heroes in the Natalia Gray's story. Everyone is, every choice that everyone makes is baffling, including why it's being made. Yeah. And I know that season one of Natalia Grace was a huge, you know, sensation, but now they're trying to just milk that cow. And not only is it just sad for her, but obviously all the other ones they're going to make.

Are you kidding me? The girl who died twice? Like the orphan imposter? I mean, I am curious about an orphan imposter, sure. Well, that's the case. It's a curious case. But I think I just want to watch the real home of ours. I'd rather just watch the movie The Orphan, you know,

then it's like, then it's just a comfort. Right. Yeah. But I... The Tuesday cat cult? Are you kidding me? I mean, we are... It sounds like a curious case.

It's a curious. I mean, cats, if anything's curious, it would be a cat. I get being curious about it and you forced your poor husband to watch this. I did because I wanted to say that I had watched something aside from Jackie's season of only murders in the building, which I got to. I paused and I yelled and I yelled and I said. I took a picture of the TV when I saw you. Thank you. And so you're season four deep.

Yes. And I'm continuing. Hell yeah. I'm continuing to enjoy the hell out of only murders. That's really what I meant. And I also watch in the middle, not finished with, but I'm watching the Jerry Springer documentary, which I can talk more about. I also watched it.

Oh, I slurped it up. Dude, I've got a little bit left of the second episode. I just got sad just now, though, because I didn't. even realize it was only two episodes. And I'm almost done with the second episode. Oh, I thought there was going to be more, did it? Only two episodes. I know. I'm like, no, because it's well, because it's well done and it keeps all the information is tight because it is, it keeps you into it. It doesn't like over explain anything. I like, I think that I really enjoyed Jerry Springer fights camera action. It's two, I think, hour long episodes. You can slurper up so fast. So,

Oh, easy. I had it on my screen, too, while I was just grinding through a dungeon last night. I'm so glad I found it because I was like, this is great. I am of course fascinated by Jerry Springer. Like I, you know, we were, we were right around the perfect age for his heyday, you know, and it was just, it was just such a wild thing that existed on television every day. And it really was that beast that like was undeniable because the ratings were just so good for it. that the, even though the networks were like upset almost that they had to air it, but it's like, dude, like nothing beats, you know, they beat Oprah at one point, you know, it's great. They beat Oprah. I really, I was scared watching this because I was like, oh, God, is this going to be like the Girls Gone Wild docu series where I'm just going to be so upset and I'm just going to be just so angry.

But here's the thing. Like, I feel like what I learned from this docu series was more like, oh, that makes a lot of sense rather than me be, even though. evil what they're doing to people. They're definitely exploiting people. They're definitely like, I'm not saying these are good people. But I thought that there was going to be something that I was like, oh my God. Well, there's a little bit of that.

Oh, there is, like enough for you to be very, very intrigued. But it was more that, like, I thought I was worried that the show was going to make me, like, want to puke. You know what I mean? Not like the girls gone wild. You're just like, oh, this was like a horrible crimes were going on for years on camera and that was just like what. No, what they were doing was horrific to people. They are certain, like, the way that they would get them.

Like, honestly, I want to hear so much more from all the producers of the show because it came down to the producers of the show that were there to froth everybody up to like make them like go through the motions of what they were going to do when they got out there. Because like, here's the thing. Something that I am surprised to learn from this docu series is that every, time Jerry Springer said, these are real stories. Yeah.

We do not take fake stories. He wasn't kidding. Yeah. In fact, people would be fired if they found out that the story wasn't real. They really wanted, but they did hype them up to get them to a place to make them perform the way seemingly normal people, like, performed on Jerry Springer. Yeah, it was also great getting the real, uh, the real, uh, the real, um, the real, person behind everything in there for the interviews and stuff because of course it wasn't Jerry

like you got to be kidding yourself if you think Jerry's like masterminding this whole crazy show he was just sort of along for the ride essentially it was Richard Dominic that did it who was like National Enquirer right? The National Enquirer guy which I had no idea that it was the same guy. Makes so much sense. It's yeah like that that's what that was the big insight to me was like oh what Jerry Springer was was literally the person who did the National Enquirer sensational stuff, exporting that model and putting it on television, right? Like, that's why it was so successful.

Yeah. But going back to what you were saying to, Jackie, I think the other part that was, there was like, of course that's what they did. You know, they would take these people with these real stories and then they would come, they would fly them in. They would give, ply them with drinks the night before. Because that makes more sense than actually even getting them drunk the day up. You know, they wake them up real.

So you're like technically kind of sober, but you're still drunk and you're out of it as hell. And you're moody as hell. You're pissy as hell. And they would like coach them up, of course, a little bit. And they would have a limo for them from, they would buy their plane tickets, have a limo for the airport. So it was like this big amp-up thing. And then they would say if you don't finish the show, we're not paying for your plane ticket back home. That's their last ditch effort threat was, hey, we're you know, we're not going to pay for

your ticket home. Of course these people don't have the money for, and the other funny thing was that map with the triangle of Jerry Springer of where the Jerry Springle triangle. Kentucky, Alabama, or Arkansas. Ohio, no, it's like, yeah, I think it was Cincinnati and it was

like, yeah, it was, and down to Atlanta, I think. Yeah, Georgia. They all come from this section of America, almost 100%, which makes so much sense. It was, and also another interesting thing about it, because I recently watched the net i think it was on netflix trial by media which is the documentary about a jenny jones guest who was murdered

a jenny jones guest um do you remember that talk show was much more yeah yeah came uh a gay man revealed his crush on a jennie jones episode to another man and that man was so um that he did a hate crime and killed him and yeah it was crazy. That was huge, huge, huge back from the day. Which was a story that I hadn't remember, certainly been, hadn't been on my radar at the time. And so then, yeah, I think that documentary came out a few years ago. And it was so interesting because I loved those shows when I was a kid. And my parents were always like, my parents were like, you're not allowed to watch Jerry Springer and would talk about how horrible these shows were and stuff.

And I kind of didn't get it. But then watching Jerry Springer that there is another murder, that another talk show murder that happened. Yeah, I didn't even know about this one for Springer. A love triangle, you know, the episode was like, you know, love triangles. And then the day that it aired, the guy, the man murdered, the one of the woman. That situation and just hearing about that relationship and the poor, like, the son of the victim that was all. And he's just like, my whole life has been about my mom's murder, my whole life. And just like, yeah, I, like, I can't imagine.

because of what you've been through. And then the Jerry Springer producers being like, we're going to go film in Jamaica for a couple of weeks so that we don't get subpoenaed about this. And that they just, I mean, it's really amazing that they just kind of skated through it. And the same with the, I mean, the Jenny Jones thing, I think that may have impacted Jenny Jones's career.

Oh, yeah. In retrospect. But it obviously didn't impact the model, right? And that's why it's like, and when you're talking, when you're describing the model for Jerry Springer, like bring them here, get them, all drunk, you know, but then coerce them into staying. It honestly reminds me of the Love is Blind, the labor organizer slash former contestant, Love is Blind, who was like talking about how there was

no water, you know, there was no food, there was just alcohol. And then you're threatened with, not like, with owing Netflix money if you leave, you know, before the contract is up or whatever. So it's like, in a way, the model is the exact same. It's like, oh, yeah, somebody died. but that was just unique to that show. Oh, yeah, you know, this Jerry Springer was bad, but we'll basically export that same model of exploitation, you know, for all the shows that we're making now. It's like the same.

It's just that Jerry Springer feels very dated, but literally that exact model of how they got the guests is what they do now for reality. Also, I knew that there was something with Jerry Springer and something that he had done that he got caught doing, and then they were talking about it in the docu-series, and it was like, it's so sad how low my, bar is that I was like, well, I mean, at least it was all consensual and they were all of age.

Honestly, I mean, I don't think they were like, he would have been canceled bills now. I'm like, no, he wouldn't. I don't think he would. No one gets canceled if their brand is. It's a power dynamic. I'm not saying it's not, you know, I'm not saying it's not inappropriate. Because they were guests or whatever, but they were guests on the show. And he was parted, partying with them and sex with them and stuff.

But, but still, I still felt like, I was like, no, he wouldn't get canceled. Because anybody who's like, hey, I'm trash. That's my brand is trash. generally just that that's those trash yeah those are the people who are immune to to that you know so it's uh yeah I disagree with that part but man I am fascinated by the whole Jerry Springer era I think this was great this was like definitely he was also so smart

yeah he was so good at the even just like I'm reading this clip when he was talking about when he had the clansman on and Jerry Springer's parents were in the Holocaust their Holocaust survivors And he even said, I hate these people. I hate what they stand for. I may hate what you say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it. That is fascinating. Yeah.

So. I felt real weird during that segment because, yeah, of course, I think right now in the 2020s, we have an understanding that like platforming, you know, you shouldn't platform the plan. Right. And of course, you know, yes, the whole, I think it's the ACLU or whatever the, you know, I hate what you're saying, but I'll defend your death right to say it. You know, I'm like, yeah, but then also I'm like, but inviting them on TV. But what's so interesting about watching that now, especially now, is that Jerry Springer goes way harder on the Klan than literally anybody now will go on the Klan.

Like he invites this fucking Klansman on and he's like, everybody here is booing you because we all know you're stupid. Yeah. Yeah. I'm fucking hate you. It's just like it's. What's crazy about that is that that would not, that is not. not currently how people talk about white supremacists. Yeah,

it's crazy. Like, it is way more forgiving now. And that was so weird about, like, the fact that he was like, you know, having love triangles and bestiality and stuff. And then also was like, I'll just invite the clan on. And then like, whatever the, I can't remember the other side was like, you know, something I came up was the ADL or some other kind of like Jewish anti-deformation org. But I'm like, part of me is I'm like, really torn that this is happening.

But just to hear him be like, fuck you guys, you're stupid. It's so weird. I'm like, A, why are you having them on your show? But B, you are speaking way more aggressively. But you're putting them up next to all the other shitheads that you have on your show. Right, right. You don't have reasonable guests on your show, right? Yeah, that's a good point.

I think that that's the difference. Whereas in Twitter or whatever, you're putting these people up on the same level as, you know, scientists and intellectuals and stuff. And they are, I mean, that's a little problem with Twitter. Like Trump having dinner with a white supremacist. Trump having dinner with a white supremacist is literally platforming him into a position of power. Yeah.

And what you're saying is having a clansman on, on the show where you also have the man who marries a horse is kind of debasing them and humiliating them, right? Yeah. I think the issue we're dealing with right now is literally like dumb fucks who just say they know science, fucking Mel Gibson on Rogan can just sit here and say the most insanely out of pocket stuff about medicine, you know, and it gets held up on the same regard as like an actual scientist who has put the time and, you know, gotten the education and knows what the fuck they're talking about at all. Right, right, right. You know what I mean? Yeah. And, and,

and Joe Rogan is just like, oh, interesting, right? He doesn't, he doesn't take the shit, the piss out of him the way that Springer does with the Klan's then. He used to, by the way, but he just like suddenly stopped once he got billions of dollars from Spotify. Gee, I wonder how that fucking worked. You know, I think you could probably, like, actually draw a direct line between him becoming, like, an Uber rich person with the Spotify deal to, you know, his change in viewpoints.

That and obviously quarantine made him insane, you know, because you can't tell someone, you can't give anybody. In this country, you can't give certain people marching orders and protocols. Yeah. They can't handle it. They can't handle being told what to do and when to do it. But I would still definitely recommend you checking out Jerry Springer fights camera action

because it is, it's just, it's well done. It's fascinating. It's fascinating story. We really started it because I, like I said, I thought I was going to go down the girls gone while. I was like, I don't know if I can handle this. And it wasn't that. And I was so fascinated by the story that I watched all things.

So it's good. You know, because I asked. I'm actually trying to more watch things like Jenny Nicholson's needlessly thorough roast of dear Evan Hanson. Yeah, I was going to maybe watch that. I've never seen Deer and Evan Hansen, though. You don't have to. I have also never seen Dear Evan Hansen. I have heard obviously, like I'm aware of the, I'm very aware of the musical.

But I didn't realize how much was changed between the musical and the musical. movie. Oh, okay, so she's not roasting the musical. I thought she was maybe roasting. No, she's roasting the movie. Okay. Yeah. The movie is so funny. Jeff and I, this is an hour and 17 minute long roast of a movie that's probably not that much longer than this roast of it. And it is, I love that it's literally called a needlessly thorough roast of Dear Evan Hanson, because we laughed so hard. There was so much that I didn't really know about. this story. And for those of you that are unaware, dear Evan Hansen, I will say, trigger warning, it has, it has very sensitive topics. But also, the fact that, like, dear Evan, Evan Hansen is

apparently in the movie more heralded as a hero than he is ripped apart, because essentially the story, for those of you that don't know, is about a teenager who, um, uh, dies by suicide, who, they found him with a. dear Evan Hansen letter because Evan Hansen is the lead actor and he was told in therapy to like write himself letters and then that then Evan Hansen after this boy who was his like like who was like not really a nice guy then the family reaches out to him because he's like oh you must have been his friend we don't know anything about what was going on in his life will you please tell us everything that he was and so he lies about everything because he's got a crush on

his sister and he wants to become a part of the family. But on top of everything, Ben Platt, who plays the lead, was the original lead in the Broadway play, but he was playing a teenager when he was 22. But now he's old and it's on a movie screen. So he looks and they tried to like put a bunch of makeup on him to make him seem younger, but it only just makes him look like he's wearing a mask. And he just, and apparently his father produced the movie, which is why he maintained being the lead in the movie and makes so much sense. But this, if you are looking for something that is just silly, you do not have to have

watched Dear Evan Hanson. It is, and this is Jenny Nicholson. It's the same person that did the full review of the Star Wars Hotel. She did the church play cinematic universe. And every once in a while, I will throw on one of her episodes. I also last night watched her Bronies episode because she is a true, she went to most of the Brony cons. Oh, wow.

Hell yeah. So it was from such an interesting perspective on the world of the bronies. I really, really enjoy Jenny Nicholson's YouTube. She's so funny. And it's just, it's a great thing to have on in the background, especially like if you're making dinner because it's almost essentially, um, you know, you know, you can just listen to it for the most part. But highly recommend if you kind of just want to shut your brain off,

check out Jenny Nicholson. I was just thinking I need to learn about the bronies because my kids yesterday just watched my little pony friendship is magic, the movie. Oh, man. Really anti-fascist. And I was like, do I need to learn about what the, I was like, are the bronies anti-fascists or is there something else going on? So I'm, all right, I'm going to settle in with a Jenny Nicholson video essay.

I really liked her Star Wars one. One thing I can't yet highly recommend. Jury's still out, but I am very intrigued is now Jackie, too, this falls in the category of did Jackie talk to me about this for a full 15 minutes? And I just like tried to remember if you had, because I assume you always have. Have you watched no good deed? No, but I almost, I've almost watched it. I watched a trailer, I think two or three times. And I'm like, I don't know if this is a mood.

that I care about, even though I like a dark comedy. The casting's insane. The cast is insane. The cast is insane. Linda Cardalini, Lisa Kudrow, Ray Romano, Luke Wilson, Abby Jacobson, uh, Dennis Leary. Like, it just is a crazy all-star cast. And the premise is really interesting.

It's a, it's, especially right now with the Palisades on fire. Yeah. It's about like a fans, like a nice L.A. house on sale and, and these different, three different, like, couples trying to like purchase this house, but the house as a dark secret. It was one of those where I came home actually from Jack and the Holdies. It sobered up a bit. So Lexi and I had decided to like throw on a show.

And we put the first episode of this on. I woke up the next morning just being like, what was that? Like what? The tone is interesting. And I'm kind of just trying to wrap my head around like what this is going to be, you know? But it's a really cool like kind of ensemble cast. It's got a really interesting vibe to it.

And I'm definitely wanting to watch more. but I'm definitely not also like, hey, this is legit, you know, so good. I mean, the thing that makes it so good immediately is like its cast is wonderful. The cast. I mean, the cast is insane. So I'm definitely going to keep watching, but I'm interested to see where it goes. It's definitely the kind of show that I think it's going to try to throw some really cool, fun twists at you. Oh, interesting. It's from the creator of Dead to Me.

That makes a lot of sense. Oh, Dead To Me was really good. I really like Dead to Me. That makes a lot of sense. Did you guys ever watch the comeback, Lisa Kudrow's other, it was from years. ago now. No, but I remember people were obsessed with it. It's very good. Oh, wow. It came out in 2005. Okay, it was more than years ago. Whoa. Uh-oh. 20 years sometimes. You just blank and it goes by. Gideon and I watched it and I had to stop because it was so, um, it was like such a good portrayal of actors.

That's right. I remember it was triggering for you at the time. Yes, I was like, that's so funny. I remember. She plays like a kind of washed up has been actor who's like trying to make way back and I was like, this is actually so good that it's upsetting me. But it was like, it was a real delight to like come back to leave, come back home to Lisa Kudrow. But, and Gidea was upset that I didn't want to keep watching it because it's, the comeback was really funny. And we still say the catchphrase from it all the time. I just like couldn't manage to like, I was like, I also like, started to come back and then fell off. I don't want to see that. It's like her character's catchphrase from within the show of the world. And we say it all the time. And I'm like,

I don't think anyone knows what we're referencing. You know what I'm writing down the comeback because, again, I'm trying to keep, we've been trying to keep it pretty easy over here now that the power's back for right now. We're trying to not do anything too crazy. So I'm going to write down the comeback. It's so funny, Jackie, with no good D, because I always have to do this one, especially it's like a Netflix show with a really good cast that's popular. I have to go like, wait, did Jackie fucking completely break this show down for me?

But like, it's just all a haze with all the other shows. It does happen that you've watched. And then I'm in a sit here and be like, Guess what I'm watching, guys. It's a new show on the block that you might not have heard of. He's like, we literally, I literally told you what happens at the end. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, it's one of those.

But good times. But, but it, yeah, I'm, it's a fun one for sure so far. I just, I don't know, though. I'm just kind of like, but it was also like a very like, I don't know what, I don't even know what this is trying to be just yet. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah.

So I am curious. So I can't wait to hear. more about it from you. Did you complain about Squid Game last week, Jackie? Yeah, you did. Okay, I didn't know if we had talked about that more so when we were hanging out at Jack with the holies or whatever or if you'd yelled about it into it.

Did you continue watching it or did you just? Everyone on Patreon says that it gets better. It gets better. I'm sure it does, but I just like high school into college. Just gone. I heard it lost my thread for it. It lost the thrust. It is the bad and the good about having so much content to absorb it all.

times that literally I'm like I feel like in the same way if something that's like really like very calorically heavy if it doesn't taste that good I'm not going to eat it right so it's like I only have a certain amount of time to watch sit so if I don't really enjoy it why the fuck am I watching it yeah especially right now because you're like if the flames are going to take you know the flames are going to take us like what does it matter so yeah my time is precious right now Which is why I am actually, we are in, I think, season three already of this show that just dropped on Netflix that is an Australian show that apparently people have been trying to get over here for quite some time. And MJ, I thought about you, but not in a Bridgerton way. It is not sexy.

It is called, you can't ask that. It is a show in every episode is like 25 minutes long. And every episode takes a topic, like for instance, wheelchair users or transgender people and it asks them like collected questions that you, that a lot of people are curious about. And it opens up the world. But there are seven seasons of it. And I, I'm like one of them was on the terminally ill. Wow. And that was, but it's also so fascinating.

There's so much that, like, even thinking about, like, the indigenous culture, like, there was an episode on indigenous people, but Australian indigenous people. And that's something I don't really know anything about. Right. And I learned so much about it. And they're just these bite-sized episodes. And there's so, and it all just got dumped on Netflix. And I am, it is the amount that I can give right now.

is about a half an hour. I think it's like the brutalist, it was just, I was just shooting, you know, too close to the sun. They were, like,

I need tidbits right now. And I am so sucked in to this show. It's kind of all I want to be watching. Wow. Yeah. Postnatal depression. Families of missing persons. Amputees.

Adult versions. Wow. Priests. Wow. You know, it's all over the place. Parents of a child with a disability. Wow.

There's so much, and they take people from different aspects of it that have different perspectives. And I see why people were advocating for this show to get over here so that we could watch it. Because I also don't know if we could properly make this in America. Yeah. I don't know if we could. With as much respect that is given, I don't know if we could make this here. Yeah, that's, that's probably, you're probably right about that. Yeah, but it makes me feel like I'm a, like an anthropologist where I'm just like, whoa, yeah, tell me about that.

Whoa, yeah. Tell me about your life experience. Whoa. Well, if you want escapeism, don't forget about the perfect couple with Nicole Kidman. I know it's not baby girl and maybe you can't watch Nicole Kidman unless she's getting domed anymore. I'm only baby girl now. But it is a great, like, you know, you know. pulpy mystery to make you forget about the fire that surrounds you.

I will. I have to do a quick check in. I actually hadn't read a lot of it recently, but I jumped back in last night and was fully re-engulfed in other mothers. Also, who is the person that writes other mothers? Because apparently I linked to the wrong book last week. Which book? There's multiple books called Other Mothers.

The wrong other mothers. I'm bringing it up right now. Catherine Faulkner, right? Catherine Falkner. Catherine Faulkner. I finished it. Oh. So take that.

What do you think? What did you think? It's great. I'm as I always am. I'm upset that I finished a book. Now I need another one. So let me know which one you plan to read after this. And we will continue.

I'm way behind it. I'm way behind me. That's because you listen to it, right? I listen to it. I would probably be more close to you. But I'm trying to just read it in bed at night while also reading one piece, my manga obsession right now. But I'm loving it, man.

Just love. This genre book is great. My paper book that I'm trying to read. It's like my kids have a radar for me picking a book up. There's something specifically where I'm like, they are playing quietly. They are completely occupied. My chores are done. I will read a book and I pick up the book and they're just like, mama.

But I'm trying to read a book called The Wife Between Us, which again, they're all like a 30 Rock joke. Every name of this book is like a 30 rock. the wife between us, the other woman, the woman mother, the girl on the train, the girl on the bus, the missing girl. I'm just like in that, I just, every chapter's two pages. Yeah. And that's what makes it a page turn to yours. You're just like, well, I might as well, read another chapter. It's two pages.

And it's about a different character. So it's different. The mommies are bad. Ooh, these moms are bad. I bet they are. Oh, I bet they are. Are they at least like getting some? Are they that kind of bad?

This one's not a particularly horny one. It's more mom. I think that's why I like I'm enjoying it so much because it's funny to have it be like this and not be about like that as much as it's about just annoying kids and dealing with mom groups. They're not horny, which is, you know, one of the interesting things about the TV adaptation of Big Little Lies is that they made it much sex. here than the book. Right. You know, the book is just a bunch of frumpy mums, but then they made it sexy. I just realized why I'm, why I'm so connecting with this premise is, is because I feel

very similar. Like, I come from a very different place in my head, like, just struggling in New York City and then coming out here, and I'm not necessarily, like, bawling out here. But when he's going to a school where I think that other parents are doing pretty decent, you know what I mean? Like Lexi's befriended an actress who was in a bunch of episodes like House of Car or, and stuff like that, and they seem to be doing very well. And, you know, her husband's, I think, like, a producer.

And, you know, everybody's, like, kind of looks very L-A-e. Like, definitely realized that the first big, like, birthday party went to, I was like, oh, man, I'm definitely the fattest dad of this. Stop saying that. At this thing. I'm sure. But, but, well, you know, you make an observation. You go, oh, boy, because everybody's taught in L.A.

And very, you know, it wouldn't be the case if we were, believe you me, I definitely wouldn't be the biggest one at the, you know, I don't know what, North Carolina or whatever father get together. But in this situation, you know, the Florida one, good Lord, I'd be like, man, I'm running circles around these dads. But, you know, everybody's just very like L.A. And I'm having, I feel very alienated and weird, like, whenever we get together with the, you know, other parents and stuff, I think, for that reason. Because, because anywhere else I'd be the most interesting, I'd be like chill at all of them. I'd feel like the king of the queen of the bunch, right?

Because I have this interesting job or whatever means nothing at the L.A. You know, everyone has like a fun, interesting job for the most part, you know? Like so. Well, it's interesting to me because the premise of all of these books is that it's all about like yuppie, like kind of wealthy, bitchy parents. And that has just so not been my experience as a parent that I think it's very fun. fun that you are reading these books because I read them and I'm like,

this is not really like this, but you're reading it and you're like, this actually is what it's like. Kind of, I mean, it's the liberal like L.A. Hollywood version. So it's not like yuppie, yuppie, you know what I mean? But yeah, also, you know,

I grew up in a private school. So these types of parents. And Lexi was a nanny for like a rich, as fuck family in New York. And that was so crazy going to events. for that, for those kids, because all the other parents were the same. I mean, this family owned,

their apartment was an entire building. They lived on multiple floors of a building. Yeah. With an elevator. So, like, one whole floor was just, like, the kids fucking play space. I thought about you.

Yeah, that's your I thought about you. Just this one floor was where just the kids played. Right? Then a whole other floor is, like, The kitchen and the living room. But those are all people. Every child also has their own nanny. You know, that's usually that's like,

when you're working with a staff. Yeah. Like, so you would, like, go and, like, live there for a couple days at a time. And the parents are just there. And they just don't need to deal with their own kid, because there's literally a woman living there taking care of their kids while they're doing their own thing. Like, that was a normal occurrence.

We talk a lot on page seven about how I have no, I have, like, mostly compassion and stuff for the slender. Everybody's going through what's happening in L.A. right now, and especially Paris Hilton has been handling it so well. But when she was fleeing, she posted a video of herself crying and fleeing with her dogs at the gas station. And I did have a little thought that I was like, I wonder who has the kids. But it presumably somebody who is paid to take care of that. That is an interesting one. I even think about that. All right. Well, anything else before we sing the song? Oh, yeah. And I did finally finish out Creature Commandos really, really recommended. It is a great. like another show that's like 25 minute long episodes. Hell yeah. It's just really well done. James Gudd did her very good job with it. And it's seven episodes.

You swallow it in no time at all. And it really stuck the landing. And I can't watch. Hell yeah. Hopefully there's another season of it. That's awesome. All right. Well, I guess that's it for us.

Thank you guys so much for hanging out with us today on talking TV. And again, for just checking up on us over the last week. We really love y'all. And we appreciate everybody for. taken the time to do that. And all right, let's sing the song. Thanks for joining us. We'll be back next week.

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