Page 7 - Talkin' TV - Everyone In My Life Died

Episode Date: October 9, 2024

This week on Talkin' TV Holden Jackie and MJ got some 31 fer 31 talk, the fallout from the new  Menendez Brothers show from Ryan Murphy, the new Salem's Lot really does nothing the TV series already did, Joker 2 is a total boring lengthy disaster, and Megalopolis is a hilarious nonsensical glorious mess.  Uzumaki's suffers from a drastic downward spiral in animation quality with it's second episode, spurring an executive to explain the slip in a now deleted tweet.  Holden is feeling Spooky Season and recommends 2022's Talk to Me, and the Golden Bachelorette continues to be a graveyard of sadness filled with depressed ghosts, Love is Blind returns and brings so much unnecessary drama to contestants being possibly not rail thin white people, and Jackie gives Nobody Wants This a shot and is fairly impressed! All that, and more on this week's Talkin' TV Monsters: The Lyle and Eric Menendez Story - NetflixSalem's Lot (2024) - MaxJoker: Folie a Deux - IN THE THEATAHHHHHMegalopolis - IN THE THEATAHHHHHUzumaki - NetflixTalk to Me - HuluLove is Blind Season 7 - NetflixGolden Bachelorette - HuluNobody Wants This - Netflix Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

with MJ Holden and Jackie Talk a TV And you know it's gonna get wack wacky Because everybody knows what everyone knows And everybody knows for watch a show We're talking TV With MJ Holden and Jackie Hell yeah guys

Man I have a lot To discuss this week I've got a lot going into my brain Sometimes when there's a lot of stuff going on in the world, what you want to do is hide inside if you're 31 for 31, where the spookies are scary, but they can't actually get inside of your door. So I live for my 31 for 31.

I need her this year. So I won't jump right into talking about horror. I'm sorry, MJ, what did you want to start with? Oh, well, I finished the menend... I've spent the last week with the Menendez brothers. In a different place than where I've been. So you did finish out. Yeah.

Yes, I feel a little bit cheapest that last week I was like, I started this Benendez jig. Why is everybody so upset? And then I proceeded to watch it. And I was like, oh, this is why everyone is so upset. So I feel like now I get it. I'm immersed. I know we're a few weeks. I'm a few weeks behind because everybody was talking about Menendez brothers a week or two ago.

but I feel like I was able. Also, there is a Menendez Brothers documentary out on Netflix and a previously existing Menendez Brothers documentary out on Max. So if you want to, if you have been immersed in the Ryan Murphy series and you want to like learn more about the actual, but with like, just like with the show with any document, I was like basically what happened was I watched the Ryan Murphy series and I was like, okay, well now I need to know like what actually happens.

like because this is so clearly Ryan Murphy's telling. Because that was so distorted, right? So that's essentially what you, what have you learned? Where are the big takeaways of why everyone is so upset? Right. So I'm going to try to come in with a bit of a meta-analysis about why everyone is so upset. And so, um,

and I'm going to try not to be like too mealy-mouthed about why I understand why people love it and why people hate it, which I do understand both of those sides. Both sides. Um, so, you know, Ryan Murphy, obviously very good at telling stories. And it seems like there is a consensus that with many Ryan Murphy's series, things start off very strong. He's really good at world building. He's really good at sucking you in and like setting up the stakes and making it like really compelling. It's obviously very well cast, which was also true of the OJ series that I also loved.

And then at about the middle, you start being like, what? What's going on here? What are these? Why are we doing that? And then at the end, you're like, what have we done? And that is apparently like a recognized arc of Ryan Murphy's work. Yes. And so that is. I feel like I always, because like I enjoy Ryan Murphy, but I feel like I always fall off. Every Ryan Murphy project I watch, I fall on.

Yeah. I don't know if I've ever actually really finished a Ryan Murphy project. And I will say just to, you know, to, to, um, I'm not. not a Ryan Murphy expert. I really liked the OJ series. I didn't watch Dahmer because there was also a lot of controversy around that, specifically around victims, families being like, please don't do this.

And I also haven't watched American Horror Story. So I'm not like a Ryan Murphy guy. And many listeners might be much more familiar and knowledgeable of his work. Yeah, so let us know if there's one you're like, honestly, if you want to love Ryan Murphy, watch this. Let us know. He did the OJ one, right? Yeah.

That was great. You're right. I watched that one all along. I watched that one all of them. That's fantastic. And I think that's the only one I've liked of his. And so similarly with the OJ one, his OJ series came out at about the same time

as a very, very good documentary about OJ came out. And so people, and I feel like that's kind of what's happening right now with the, although even the Menendez Brothers documentaries had pre-existed. So people can immediately see. what the distortions are and what the differences are. So I imagine. Yes. And important to remember, I haven't read about either of the documentaries that are out there,

but important to remember, of course, that documentaries also have a point of view. And even though they often represent themselves as more neutral or more pure and storytelling, that's not always true either, right? Right. So much like the Dahmer series had a lot of controversy because a lot of victims' families were like, please don't do this. I don't know if this is comparable because the Menendez brothers are the accused criminals here, but they, and convicted criminals,

but they have been like, this is insane. What is he doing? Like, they have both been very outspoken against it. And so I think that when I think about the OJ one and what was so cool about kind of retelling the OJ story, I think that what, and what is what I, when I like true crime the most is when we can like go back to something that happened, especially something like OJ or the Menendez brothers,

which happened, both happened in our childhood. in a different time, culturally, politically, all of this stuff, right? And we can go back and see like, okay, what can we see now about this story that we couldn't see then? Or that, like, what frameworks do we have now that we didn't have then? Not even in terms of the facts of the case, right? Perspective, right. Exactly. Yeah, I think with OJ was the whole, like, I'm not black, I'm OJ, the whole way that the, you know, stuff going on with, like, culturally was kind of used.

you know, in this kind of circusy trial. And yeah, it was... Exactly. Like, the OJ story is so interesting to revisit. And I'll shout out also the podcast, you're wrong about, that did a deep dive on OJ, mostly centering Nicole Brown-Simson.

And so it's one of those things where it's like, oh, yeah, like, in the... In this time, we can go back and look at the O.J. story from a point of view of, like, what we know about domestic violence. Like, what we know about, like, how the L.A. riots were shaped... the cultural response, you know, to the OJ news, like how, you know, how this country wasn't, like,

able to talk about racism at all. And therefore, it got, like, so the OJ race stuff was handled so weirdly. So all of those, that was all what made it really interesting to go back and look at the story of OJ. And I feel like that could happen with the Menendez brothers, especially because we now are in a place where we can talk about abuse, sexual abuse, and sexual abuse against boys. in a way that we certainly were not talking about when we were children when this happened, right? And like there was literally part of like, I mean, at the time, there were arguments that's like that were like boys can't be sexually abused, right? So it's like, so it was such a lack, there was such a lack of ability to talk about what that trial brought up at the time. And so that's why I think, okay, this is interesting to go back in this time with our current, you know, frameworks to apply.

But I feel like that's not really what Ryan Murphy did. I feel like what he kind of did, and I think some people liked this, was be like, what is knowing? What is, how could one know? So it's like, this is what the boys say happened. This is what the journalist says happened. They tried to do like a staircase kind of thing. Yeah, exactly. Like this is.

Meanwhile, everyone does just genuinely know what happened to these kids and what happened. thing, right. It does feel, but I guess it's still somewhat controversial, somewhat, I don't know, it's really, it seems like there's an abundance of evidence, not just now, but that was it presented at trial that is very unambiguous about the abuse. Like, I don't think that it's actually in question about whether or not they were abused. I think the question is just, does that, you know, does that justify that they killed their parents, which is surely is an open question and people could fall on either side of that or not. But I think that what's so weird about this, is that it kind of, the way he presents it of like, though, like very much like the staircase,

like what, how could we know what happened? It was it this, was it this? Some people say it was this. So then we see that. But then there's lots of people who are like, it's this. Exactly. So it's like, but when you're talking about abuse and especially a type of abuse that is not believed culturally, like abuse against sexual abuse against boys, I think it's kind of

irresponsible to present that as a like, how could we know? Right. When there is, as far as I can tell, an abundance of evidence about what we do know. and that the reason that people didn't believe it was because people didn't want to believe that sexual abuse against boys happens. And so that, I think, is what's so strange about the project. I think there's a lot of things that you could present that we don't know, like, in terms of, you know, how they decided to do this and how they, how they made the decisions and whatever. So I think it's a fun idea for Ryan Murphy to present it as a like, well, in this, here we see what, from the dad's point of view.

And here we see what the journalist thing happens. And like the incestuous thing is like, it's not presented as cold, hard fact that this happened, but it is presented as something that was a rumor. Gotcha. But I think to present something like that, and it sounds like that was a rumor at the time from my cursory research, but like even if it was presented as a rumor,

I just don't know how responsible it is to present all of these rumors about this case and then be like, so therefore there's no way of knowing, as opposed to going back and saying, and looking at it more like, okay, well, these are the facts. Yeah, what do we know based on the evidence presented at trial and how can we see that evidence in a different light now that it's 2024?

And we know that one of the things that was so hard about this case was that the nation was not ready to behold sexual abuse against boys, right? And so I think that that's one of the things that, that's one of the reasons why I didn't like it. But I also will say, I totally understand why people love it. it because Javier Bardem is amazing. Chloe Savigné is amazing. It's great storytelling. It very much brings the story to life. It just doesn't like kind of quote unquote come down on a side.

And not that I need it to. I don't need it to come down on a side. I would happily have a conversation with somebody who said, MJ, those guys are psychopaths and they were spoiled rich. We had an email that was somebody from somebody was like, you know, they were spoiled rich psychopaths. So I would have that conversation and I would definitely. like be eager to receive that information, but I don't think that presenting the abuse, which again, based on just what was presented at trial seems pretty, seems pretty like unambiguously clear to present that as a like, how could we ever know? Because that's always the problem with when people make out abuse allegations. Like, well, we could never know. But it's like, I think we could know.

I think we could know. I think I think we know. Yes. I think we definitely know. So I think that's the, that's where I come down on it. It's like very good storytelling, especially at first. It does get weird in the middle and at the end. And I just think that there is, if you're going to revisit this story, the whole point is to do it in a better, more thoughtful way than we told it at the time. And I'm not sure he does that. I know that this is not to do with specifically the Menendez brothers, but as you're talking about this, it makes me feel about how I felt about the new Salem's lot that just dropped. Because I was really excited about the new Salem's lot because I really enjoyed the original movie, like original movie series of it, even though it is, it's 80s. So, you know, everyone knows

that Salem's lot is not the best of all of the Stephen King projects, but they redid it. And I was like, oh, fun. They're going to like update it. They're going to make it something, you know, oh, they're going to do something. They didn't. It was just a movie version of the series. was not done. And I'm saying this. And you know I'm saying it with a grain of salt, not done as well as the original. And the original was not necessarily like screamed about. So in watching it, I did feel of like, if you're going to redo this, right, we're going to revisit this.

Even if it's a remake, like let's do, it just seemed like the word Jeff used was soulless. It seemed solace. It seemed like nobody wanted to do it or like they're like, yeah, we're just going to, it's like Salem's slot, but it's the same thing. And that's how I felt about it. I think there's a lot of, I think that it's because we talk all the time about how there's so much like 90s nostalgia, right, because of like where we are with that generation now being like the people who are making decisions about what to make. And I think that remaking things from the 90s or from generations ago, obviously Salem's lot is older than that. But like. Oh, so excuse me. I'm sorry. It's 79. It was 79. 79. But like, I think remaking things from the past is not inherently a bad idea. And often it's a great idea. But right. I think that at least have a point of view. I just love Bonnie Bedelia. And it was like, but where's the Bonnie Padilla? Um, but maybe I was alone in that. And I just, you know, I love a Stephen King adaptation. I'm going to watch every single one they do. And I, you know, but that's forever. This is the beauty of being a Stephen King fan, you know. You will never run out of material. He'll never run out of material and also, well, sometimes it's not as good as other things. And that's okay.

Yeah, I love that about Stephen King. Sometimes it's the best movie you've ever seen and sometimes it's really not that great. And sometimes it's not, you know, sometimes the ending kind of shit's the better. You know what? I still like it. But that was one of my 31 for 31. Now, I feel like I've been holding back for minutes because you haven't been able to talk about Joker. Oh, yeah.

You really want to scream about the Joker. Fuck me, man. I mean, this will be, I feel like the last time I talk about it. I've talked about it, you know, just with people. I'm kind of waiting for this to be my final, just puking into the ether about Joker 2. Holden and I sat next to each other during Joker 2. And I think that like both of us almost assumed it was going to be like when we went to go see Taylor, so it's the heiress tour where we're going to laugh the whole time and we were going to like make jokes about it.

I was hoping for 2019 cats. I really was, especially when I found out about the big fun ending and everything going on with it. And everyone just hating it so much. I was like, this is going to be amazing because I love musicals, you know? And really, its biggest crime is that it's just so fucking boring and repetitive. And I think people are talking about that enough. They're talking about the ending and how ridiculous that is. And yes, the ending's totally ridiculous and terrible.

But essentially this movie was like made as a fuck you to. anybody that liked the first one. That's essentially like the overall review is that it was like, oh, you like this first one? Well, you weren't supposed to like him. You weren't supposed to be a champion for Joker. And now we're going to punish you is what it seems like. Okay, but this is what annoys me about that.

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hit the button. Like, just do it. I think that Todd Phillips got in his head that this was like a fight club thing where there were a bunch of people that I guess there was that one shooter that was really into the Joker from the first movie. But like, I just think it's like presupposing that all these young people are like, I want to be that Joker when I grow up. And like, I don't think that really happened. I don't, I think it's almost like he thinks more of his original work than of the first movie than really there was. Everyone was like yeah, it's fine. I think for the most part

everyone was like, yeah, it was fine. It's a total rip off of Scorsese taxi driver and what it's, which I would call it, not King of New York. I always want to say it's King of New York. But when it, no, the comedy won that Scorsese did, the New York comedy one. Oh yeah. It's just a total ripoff of those movies

and it's just not, you know, it was fine and I think I was already just like, yeah, whatever. But then I found I was going to be a musical with Lady Gaga. And I was like, wow, maybe I'll like this. And I was excited. And then it starts and it's, first of all, I was already bummed out. It was like when I found out it was two hours and 20 minutes. It's just like a musical shouldn't be

two hours and 20 minutes. But don't worry, it really wasn't a musical. It wasn't a musical at all. And then that's the other thing. So what I really think sucked about it was just that it was just, it was all set in either a really dreary prison or a really, like, boring courtroom. And you would just watch these long drawn-out scenes, oftentimes where they're literally just describing what happened in the first movie. That's the thing. And I also will say, I don't think that any way, I'm not pointing figures like, Lady Gaga was bad. Watheed Phoenix was bad.

Like, I'm not even saying, I think that it was just like this script and what they were doing. Like, they did what they. could. Like Zazi Beetz tries. Even in the moment, like the scene she's got. Because Zazi Beetz, I think, is an amazing actress, but you're right, Holden.

It was just a rehashing of what happened in the first movie. Because it's the trial of what happened in the first movie. It's like he put his own movie on trial as if anyone cared or, like, felt that strongly about the first one. Like, is if it really needed to be

reexamined because of how potent it was on society, which is just not true at all. In fact, like, right after that, like, lockdown happened. I don't remember anybody. I don't, I don't know of any kid with the Joker poster on their wall. I don't get it. It's like, it's, it's like, it's like, assuming we all were just blown away by his brilliant first movie that we had to re-examine it and feel bad that we liked it, which most of us thought it was fine, even. And then to go on and just have it be, so it's this really long John of a courtroom scene and then either Walking Phoenix or a lady, Gaga sing a really weirdly slow version of an old songbook standard. And it literally over and over again, there was even this moment at the end when for the millionth time Lady Gaga starts doing it again. And Walking Phoenix, uh, Joker is just like, please, I don't want to sing anymore. And everyone was like, yes, stop singing.

But that's essentially what, it was so fucking boring. And I love Lady Gaga. Now I haven't listened, I will say, I have not listened to the Harlequin album. Because for those of you that don't remember, she did write a full album to go with her for with Harlequin, the character. But they are all covers as well, I believe. And it, which is fine. I just, she just seemed like she was so like, she's so embodied the character she had to put out an album, which I don't know if that is because also. She did say she lived in it. She's method. She's method.

And I honestly didn't even think Lady Gaga was really in the movie. Okay. Yeah. No, yeah. Well, that's the funny thing is it's supposed to be examining. Like, the whole thing is supposed to be so much about their relationship. But Lady Gaga and Joker and Harley Quinn are in the same room, like, very rarely, like, having an intimate moment. And the fuck scene.

I mean, come on. I keep forgetting about that. awful fuck scene where she makes him put the makeup on and then they just have this like really like gross like stairwell sex. It's just so dumb. Like every choice was just so boring and hacky and lame. And it was real power of the slog because that's the thing. If the acting was worse, it would have been a more fun watch. If it was shorter, it would have been a more fun watch. If the, if the musical numbers were musical numbers, it would have been a more fun watch. It would have been a more fun watch. fun, like a fun bad watch.

But like, it was like, he like, cock blocked us from even that. It's like a bad movie. So at least just make it something that I can get stoned on edibles and what do a host a watch along of once a year, you know, like with cats. I mean, it's really. Which is almost what we get from Megalopolis. That is what I was hoping.

I really wanted to go see Megalopolis and come to you because I know that you were hoping Joker 2 was going to be our cats. And I was like, I bet it's going to be Megalopolis. That is our cats. And for those of you that are unaware of Megalopolis, it is Francis Ford Coppola made this two and a half hour long movie, which with his own money, he spent $120 million of his own money because he had to make this project. Apparently, he's been trying to make this project for 40 years. He has had this idea.

So he decided to sell his. his vineyard. How dare he? He sold his vineyard and he made Megalopolis and I was stoned out of my gourd and I did laugh a lot more than I did during Joker 2 because Megalopolis makes no sense. But here's the thing. Like cats, I feel like it needs though more so than cats. It needs an hour taken out if I want to watch this. year after you. I would watch it. If they took an hour out of it, I'd watch it every year. There's just, because there are certain parts of it that are laugh out loud, so poorly done. This is another like instance of it really wasn't the actor's faults because Adam Driver was like, I saw this as like a, like an experimental theater production because apparently a lot of it was improved. And if you know anything about Ayn Randian philosophy, it's not usually something

you let somebody like wax poetic on about for two and a half hours. You stop them right away. You stop as you can. And it is there, it is laughable. There are multiple just like really insane, insane scenes. John Voight, I don't know if John Voight was just hammered the entire time. He was on set because it was a lot like that for all of his performance. Shilabuff was insane. One thing I will say about Shailabuff's character, every scene, his eyebrows were completely different, like drastically different. And I don't know why.

And for some reason, most of it is lit as if they are inside of a supermarket. So everything that looks really weird and uncanny. And like the whole movie is supposed to be about like based on the idea of the fall of Rome where New York City is actually new Rome city. And so it's like a mixture. Like his name is Caesar and her name is Julia. Julia, Caesar. Rome, guys, you get it? It is definitely way more of a, like we were in a movie theater with six people and we all laughed and talked through the movie the entire time.

Right. That is the only way to see this movie. You cannot watch this movie in silence. I would actually recommend, don't worry, because it's not showing many places. So you're most likely going to have to wait for it to come to your home video. And it is for the best because they're going to want to pause. You're going to want to take breaks. You can do like a whole Sunday afternoon watching Megalopolis.

I want to read the, upon Googling Megalopoulos, the first like Google suggested audience review is honestly, I felt embarrassed just being there. It was one of those movies where you almost feel ashamed to witness the disaster unfolding on the screen. Amazing. Honestly, though, you know, Arbery Plaza knew what movie she was in. Yeah. You could tell that I was like, oh, afterwards I found out it was almost all improv. And I was like, that makes a lot of sense because I was like, here's the thing. Aubrey Plaza, I've seen, we've seen her in White Lotus.

She can play small. My old ass, she fucking killed me. Like, I know that she's an amazing actress. But she is playing a very big fun. Her name is Wow Platinum. And everyone else is Caesar Rome themed, except for Wow. them and she is a very fun character to watch again don't pay to go see this movie do not pay to go see it wow um but watch it with other people when it comes out yeah i'm definitely definitely down to see it

i yeah i need that pause button i think also i can maybe watch that in like 45 minute chunkules did you did you mention how many hours it is jackie it is two and a half hours yeah this was so man saturday we watched joker two sunday we watch salem's lot yesterday we watched salem's lot yesterday Yesterday we watched Michaeloplas, and I was just like, we need to watch a good movie at some point. And I can't handle it. In fact, we put on the second episode of Uzumaki, and I was so excited to watch the second episode of Uzimaki, but he was like word on the street, which I noticed at first, the quality of the animation so drastically drops off from the first episode to the second

episode. And I'm like, it took you years to make this. Why did it drop off so drastically? And don't get me wrong, like, I'm still enjoying it. But Jeff, I've never read Uzumaki, but Jeff was explaining to me what they're doing with the different issues and how they're kind of all jamming it into one. And he's like, I don't know. Let's keep watching this. So I just saw this article. We were screwed over. Usumaki executive producer breaks silence in episode two, shocking quality drop. What happened? It's fine.

We knew this would happen to Margo said in a series of deleted posts. I can't talk about what went down, but we were screwed over and the options were A, not finish in error, nothing and call it a loss. B, just finish in error episode one and leave it incomplete or C, run all four, warts and all. Out of respect for the hard work, we chose C. After waiting so long, it makes sense people would be mad. Unfortunately, I can't tell them who to blame it on, but someone is definitely a fault

here. and we all just had to do our best when things imploded. Maybe others would have made different choices. We did the best we could with what we had. Dude, that makes so much more sense. And honestly, I give so much more to it. Because it's not, again, the animation is not bad. It's still unbelievable.

It's still way better than anything I can never fucking do. But I'm impressed by the fact that they didn't want to just throw it away, that they'd rather put it out because you're right, people did work very hard. And especially with animation, we all know how long it takes to do. That, like, good for them that they still put it out. Because I'm still going to keep watching it.

Yeah, I'm still going to. I love Uzumaki so much. And it really, it's a bummer. All right. In brighter news, my not 31 for not 31. I just shoutouts to talk to me. I watched the last night. Hour and a half.

So good. Solid. Just enjoyable ride. I mean, not enjoyable. my way to put it. But, you know, a good, solid, hard movie ruminating on grief and loss, but a really fun premise with this creepy hand you can hold and then bring a spirit in you. Which also A24 for a while sold the hand. You could buy it on the A24 website and not only could you buy the hand, but it was a bowl. So you could smoke, you could pack the hand and smoke out

of the fingers. Oh, man, I wanted it. It's like party kids. You know what? I really think it was based on like when kids would get together and do salvia together. I think that's what the concept was based on. That makes sense. Very short. There was that kind of thing where like one person would do it. Yeah, it would be a very short period of time. Everyone would like watch the one person do it.

Right. And you had to kind of like make sure they were okay physically and stuff because they'd go be transported. So anyways, that's all I could think about was that like craze back in the day. But anyways, just a quick shout out on that to a right to cleanse. the palate. Talk to me is a good one. Now let's talk about sad men or whatever, whatever you guys know before we talk about the sad men. Can we talk about love is blind? We certainly can. Less sad. I did watch episode three of the Golden Bachelorette. And we're going to talk about. I know

you, I know you woke up early to watch it. So I'm not going to have you not talk about it. But Holden and I continue to be devastated by these elder lovely people trying to hear. heal themselves and find love again. They can learn to love again. I know they can. But you know what, a lot of these men don't need a romantic partner. They need a therapist. And I know that that's very online thing to say. But a lot of them are actively processing their grief to Joan. And I think that's a lot. I know Jones. And sometimes it's bonding. But sometimes it's trauma dumping. I know. And I know that that's a hard distinction. We're talking about love is blind first. Love is blind. Love is back. It's on Netflix. How far is everyone on Love's Blind? I'm on episode two. Yeah, I'm in the third episode.

But I, we just dip to toe him. And I'm already there's, I think, at least two guys that are going to pick the less hot, at least to them, per lady and are going to be so upset. The guy that's like, the guy that's like clearly going to not choose the like extremely hot trophy wife lady. And it seems to probably be picking the other lady. You're talking about Nick D the smooth talker? That guy, there's the robot guy. The rich guy. The rich guy. The, well, there's, yeah, the art dealer. Leo, I don't trust Leo as far as I'm not. Leo needs to stop talking about how rich he is.

He needs to stop talking about how rich he is. It's like everybody in your life died and you keep talking about how lucky you are that everyone in your life died. And I just don't know about that, dude. I was, for a second, I was ready to, like, Leo, in the first five minutes, I was like, what an interesting man. Yeah, he's like, everyone in my life died. And they were art dealers. And so, I inherited the art dealership. And I, and I'm like, wow. And he's like, so I shouldn't, you know, it's not lucky. I'm really sad that everyone died. And so I'm like, oh, wow, that is a interesting origin

story. But then he proceeds to just be like, all these women just want my money. Everyone who likes me wants my money. Everyone wants my money. I'm so rich. And it's like, Leo, shut up. Shut up. If you don't want money to be the defining thing about you, stop bringing up money every time you open your mouth, buddy. Right. And he's like an art dealer and he's like, oh, everyone just keeps asking me about being an art dealer. And it's like, you can talk about art instead of money. And he's just, he's the most, he's awful. Leo is awful. It goes to show that he doesn't have that much else to talk about, which honestly is the last thing I think I would ever want in a relationship. It's like, oh, great, you have money. That's it. There's nothing. Trophy wife, though. Trev,

that's all she wants. And then, yeah, and then there's this girl that's just like, I want somebody who will pay for everything for me. And he's like, I have money. He spends all of his time being like, I hope nobody just wants me for my money. And then literally this girl is like, I just want somebody who has a lot of money. And he's like, I have a lot of money. So like, Leo, you're doing this doing it to yourself. And I think you do want that because I don't think you have much else to talk about. So just get this hot lady and scramble, you know, and she'll suck you dry until it's time to move on. But you know, you'll have some good years with her. And she'll put up with your nothing to talk about ass, you know, company. Yeah, because she's just so busy

talking about all of the hot, rich dudes she's banged in the past because that's what and how she's never had to buy anything. They're made for each other, I guess. If that's all. you guys are going to talk to each other about, but the person I feel I'm already so upset about is Hannah. Poor, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. And this dude that's like, she's the, like, slightly plus-sized girl who's very just, like, slight-sized at best. Mid-sized, yes.

But this is the love is blind way. They have somebody who is slightly mid-sized, and then they're insecure. And this guy is like, can't wait to see you in a bikini. Can't wait to see you with your clothes off. Can't wait. And it's like, yeah, it is so difficult to watch because, like, what, how much, I know they're obviously told that they can't talk about what they look like, right? Right. Right. But I feel like they're, if you're getting into these vulnerable deep conversations, like, you see it in some of the other couples where someone brought up, like, being a mixed race and like talking about. And then he was like, oh, I just never thought of you being a different rate.

And it's like, that conversation was also weird. I want to talk. I want to come back to that conversation too. Yes, but finish your thought. But I just feel so bad for Hannah because Hannah, I feel like already immediately was like, oh, I know where this is going and I don't want it to go there. So she, this, yes. I say spoiler alert, but it's for the second episode, so it's really not that much of a spoiler.

But second episode, she like tells him, oh, you know what? You're so into looks. I don't want this. I can't like worry about this all the time. time. And then she goes back to him. Because this is the thing Love is Blind does. They find a beautiful, stunning person who, yeah, is like slightly mid-sized, slightly different body type than, you know, whatever. And then it's not that that person I don't think is usually inherently insecure, but because of the

project, that person's size is presented as like a bait and switch, right? As if like, oh, this trash bag over here, it's like, what do you mean? She's so hot. Yeah. Like, we tricked you. You fell for the girl who's very hot, but not extremely skinny. And it is, I hate this about Love is Blight. It always happens.

This is why, you know, Brennan and Alexa from that are such a pleasure of a couple. Oh, do you see they welcome the baby? Oh, did you see they had a baby? I know. They got the baby. They had the baby. But like it was like she was like, you know, the slightly mid-sized girl on that season. And instead of it being like this reveal, he was just like, you're stunning and I adore you.

Well, this is the problem with the show because everyone calls, but everyone calls for more diversity and body types. Remember? Yes. That's what they asked for. So how do you solve this problem with the show? Because then it turns into a jackpot scenario where you're like, unless you're into that body type, you're going to be like, you've got a secret. man, I had the choice between her and her and I fucked up. You know what I mean?

And it's like, it's the worst. It's really, the main problem is coming down to, like, the people that apply for this show that you have to genuinely, like, honestly, ask yourself, do you really not care what a person looks like? Do you genuinely not like, are you the person? Like, I've never had a type. I fuck bodies. I fuck people. You know what I mean? But it's not even do you not care what they look like.

Do you care if they are completely beautiful just in. Maybe slightly less conventional ways. Because they're on TV. They're getting cast on TV, so they're going to be beautiful. It's literally just like, I don't know any man in real life who would see Hannah and be like too big. You know what I mean? This is the problem. But again, this is the problem with the show.

It's the same thing as the monster's always scarier when you don't see it. When you don't see this woman who's supposedly going to be the love of your life and your ultimate ideal, you start to imagine what she's going to look like. and she's going to look like your absolute physical ideal in your head, and you're going to start, like, getting stressed out about whether or not she is that. You know what I mean? And then you're like, what if she wears a size coat? You know, and it turns into this boogeyman that is so gross.

But that's what's going to happen, honestly, but that's kind of what's going to happen, right? And especially if you have to choose between two people and you're like so split, but there's just one little element that makes you choose the other person. and then you meet the other person and they're more your physical type than the other person. It has nothing to do with love being blind. It just has to do with like

if you're put into that scenario and you're forced to imagine what these people actually look like in real life and you start to... Completely. People have types and it's fine to not be attracted to someone and yet, yeah, yeah. But I think to go back to that weird ethnicity conversation,

like I think that the problem with the entire project, right, is that of course, lusts, is informed by physical attraction. And it doesn't mean you have to be only a certain time. We all know we have all fallen in love with people who didn't look like somebody on a magazine because, and physically attracted to them too. It doesn't have.

So I think it's just a, it's an error in the premise. Again, there's nothing about Hannah that isn't beautiful. It's just like weight like looms as this weird like boogeyman and love is blind. And then also there's this conversation. Yes. Between two scientists. They're obviously perfect for each other.

One of them is a chemist. one of them is a physicist. Everything's going great. And then she's like, oh, I don't want to say my mom's name because it could give away my ethnicity. And I'm just trying to, you know, because I don't want that to be a thing that makes or breaks. Like, I would be afraid that if you didn't choose me, maybe I would consider it would be that. And so I want to keep that secret, which is like an interesting. I would like love to hear her go on the, in the pods podcast that those other ladies from an earlier season do to like talk more about that. Like, what do you, you know, how do you make those choices if you're somebody, again, coming into this and you're not a white blonde girl who was under 110 pounds or whatever.

Basically, because that's, that's the, anybody who's not that, it's not only size, it's any difference whatsoever. It's like, oh, she has an ethnicity. And so he responds to it like, you have an ethnicity. Oh, ethnicity. Wait a second. I never, I never even considered you had an ethnicity. And he's like, I've only dated white girls.

And he like starts panicking. and he's like, well, I mean, I guess you don't have to tell me your ethnicity, but like, it's weird that you won't. And she's like, well, if I tell you and then like it doesn't work out, I'm going to wonder if it was that. And it's very uncomfortable. It's so uncomfortable. The way he reacts is so weird. Like, I feel like the thing to do if someone mentions their ethnicity is to be like, oh, hell yeah. You know, either tell me more or is that, you know, is this?

Yeah, tell me more. Is there something important to you? Like, do you want to say more about your family without giving away anything you don't want to talk about or whatever? But he just has this, like, what if you're not a white girl? And so it's like, I think it's actually is similar to the weight thing where it's like, it's suddenly becomes,

it's not is love blind? It's, are you okay with getting a woman who is not one single type, which is white and this? Yes. Right? Well, with big fun tits and, you know, and a fun tits. and a fun, you know, a sexy face.

This is why you're not on. Love is blind, you know? That is. Well, what is you guys' favorite ethnicity, though? Like, not all. Oh, yeah, good. Yeah, that's what, I'm surprised they don't ask them when they're doing an instance, you know? Let's have a further talk about it.

That conversation really, it was so weird. How he handled it was so weird. And she, you know, goes back and keeps talking to him because, again, they do, she does keep talking to. So obviously she was at least not completely put off of it. Right. And, you know, maybe he's just never thought about this before and he's bumbling through it. And so it's not necessary, you know, he didn't say something racist exactly. But it was just like a, he was so alarmed.

Like, what do you mean your ethnicity? You're on love is blind, you idiot. What are you talking about? Like, I just, what are we doing here? I don't understand. You're right. Anyone coming in of like, they have to be X, Y, and Z. You're on the wrong show.

Sorry, wrong show. Yeah, and they really should screen people to make sure that they're not, like, bigots or fat foams. You know, they just should. Like, I don't know how you, obviously, they would kind of take away much of the inherent drama of the show. That's the thing. It takes away. You need the Knicks on the show. You need the smooth talker kind of guy.

Yeah, the shakes. Yes. House of villains, baby. I think House of Villains, too, is coming out soon. I can't wait for a House of Villains from the Golden Bachelor. Bachelorette series. I want to see then. What are the villains in the Goldenberg?

Tell us about the villains. I feel like sad men. Yeah, but wait, what if there's a turn? You never know. Pascal, I don't know if I trust Pascal, the Frenchman. Oh, the French guy? Well, yeah, he's French. You can't trust the French.

He has a least favorite at mystic. The date, though, that they went on, I felt really weird about Pascal, but that date they went on was actually really cute. Pascal opens up to her, and he's like, everyone sees me, I am this swaggy Frenchman and I am so rich and I love a private jet. And he just like keeps going on and on about how rich he is.

And he's like, but I came from nothing. And then he like talks about his childhood being very poor and having a really hard time. And Joan is like, oh my God, you're more than a swaggery rich Frenchman. You were a poor Frenchman once. And now you're rich and that's all that matters. And at least you're rich now. Yes, thank God. But it is a charismatic thing.

Did I scream about this last time? If not, I just have to repeat. Let, if it's Golden Bachelor, Bachelorette, let these men have their own rooms. I mean, they're all old and tired and broken. They're all waking up all night to pee. Yeah, they all have to get up a bunch to pee. Get, come on. They don't do the same thing to them and you put the young people through.

That's a young person's game. Give these guys their own fucking rooms. See, this makes a lot of sense in the world. So I'm not familiar enough. again, this is my first time into the foray of the Bachelor, Bachelorette world. What we do know is that Joan was a contestant

on the first season of the Golden Bachelor. So apparently, the word on the internet is that Mark, hot big Mark, is possibly a producer plant being put in not there to actually date Joan, but is being set

up to be next year's Golden Bachelor. And so, They're like grooming him to be that. Because she came from a previous bachelorette season. Correct. Or a bachelor season.

The golden bachelor, yes. Oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes sense. So that there's word on the street that he might be a producer plant, which I mean, I... There's just so many men. There's so many. Now I like him, though.

I like his, this guy's face. I forget that his name is Mark, though, because I'm just like, oh, I like that one with the beard because in my brain they're all kind of the same. Yeah, he's like. Too many men to remember. Yeah, he's slightly less grieving the loss of his wife. I will say, though, if you liked the male bonding that took place at Milf Manor, which I did. Did not. Did not. Careful. I loved it. I feel like it's much better here. Like, there is, there's this conversation between like a grieving husband who is. Oh, my God, Charles is beautiful. It's supposed to be a saucy romance show. And it said, we're just having them. I love Charles. And he had been, like, star, and he had been, like, stupt. Charles is so cute. And he had been, like, stuze. And he had been, like, on this detail of his, I'm sorry, content note for devastation. He had been like stuck on this detail

of his wife's death and he went to a doctor, one of the other men who was a doctor, guy, and he's like, can I ask you a question that's just kind of been haunting me? And the guy's like, okay. And he like tells him this thing that he's been hung up on about his wife's death. And guys like, it's okay. Like that wasn't any, you don't have to be stuck on this anymore. Like you're just, you're, you're grieving. But like, she was, it's okay. Like, you don't have to, like, you can leave that. You can leave that. Like, you don't have to keep ruminating on this. And it is very moving to see these conversations happening betwixt to the men. And then the flip side of that is, like Miltf Manor, there are men who just like, they don't know how to cook,

they don't know how to clean, they don't know how to do laundry. They can't take care of themselves. They've never taken care of themselves. And they've made it to their 60s without ever taking care of themselves. So it's a real range of masculinity. I don't blame me for not wanting to watch it Holden because it really shows the options for what older men can become, either a perfect man or a man who really has a lot growing up to do. I'm just so happy to see out in the sun with you one day more. It's just make your house, makes me the 12 year old boy that has been dead for 40. Don't make front of chalk. All right. A chalk is a dumb name. All right, but he's a child at heart. And they're all like, what if I don't get picked? I'll be

alone again. I wish that there was 24 women. I just, I know this is the premise of the Bachelorette, but as a newcomer to the Bachelor of Bachelorette franchise, I'm like, why can't we get more women in here? I think you guys just want an old folks, yeah, just go to an old folks

home and shoot a documentary series in it. They're all fucking each other. All these people are beautiful. Yeah, I want them all on perfect match. I want old person perfect match. Oh my God. That's what I want. That would be great. That's what I want. Old person perfect match is exactly. Because then we can have the heroes and the villains.

Yes. And I want them to fuck. And then the sad ones will eventually be like, bro, you got to get over it. You know what I mean? Like either you need to. So like how does Joan feel? Joan is still actively grieving her husband but she's kissing all these. Like how does she feel?

You know she feels rough because she cries about it. I know. She was with him for 32 years. Yeah. It's going to be really difficult when he's only been gone for a couple of years, girl. I know. I know. And then she doesn't know.

She keeps saying like, am I ready? Am I ready to move on? But are any of them ready to move on? I don't know. And I just was, I found myself at 7.15 a.m. crying while watching the Golden Bachelor fucking. I can't. We're over.

I'm over this. What are we doing? What else are we talking about? I just want to say thank you to whoever recommended that I start watching. Nobody wants this. I only watched the first episode of it. And I will report back next week because immediately I watched the first episode and was like, uh-oh, I'm in love with Adam Brody and I didn't even knowty. I need

him. I need him. So I just want to say thank you so much for the nobody wants this recommendation. People are crazy about it. To speak about that with you next week. You're going to watch it? Okay, I'll watch it. If we're watching it. Hell you. Everyone. Everyone is also watching you. You love a rom-com. We love a rom-com. And apparently it's like really well-written love. like it's a very communicative love story. And they're only like 25 minute episodes. So I watched the first one. I was like, all right, done, sold, want it, need it.

I'll be so happy to leave the Menendez universe I've been living in all week and go to Nobody Wants This. That sounds fantastic. I just want to watch the doc. Where's the doc? Is that also on Netflix? There's one on Max and one on Netflix. And honestly, I don't know which one is better.

So give a look up to see which one is better reviewed. But there's one, the one on Netflix is a bunch of, like, audio calls from the brothers. So I want to watch that one just for that. But yeah, there's a lot of Menendez info out there. You can do some. Yeah. And I won't go further into my 31 for 31 for 3A.

Don't worry. We will be back next week and we will get into more horror, spooky, scary. And I am so excited. And I will get further into my rubric if you guys are curious about my 31 for 31 rubric. Hell yeah. I do think, though, the Golden Bachelor. Lorette counts in the 31 for 31. As horror.

It's a way scarier. I was trying to figure out a way to fit in Joker 2 and Megalopolis into my 31 for 31, but they're, I guess, not horrific enough. So, fine. You'd think it would have taken us there with the ending of Joker, but we're not going to talk about it right now. Thank you guys so much for hanging out with us on this week's episode of Talkin TV. We'll be back next week with big spooky scleries.

and I can't wait for it. Thank you so much. Anything else, Holden, MJ? I think that's it. Let's sing it. That's it. To the song. We're talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie.

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