Page 7 - Talkin' TV - Hostile Refusal

Episode Date: July 31, 2024

This week Jackie, MJ and Holden kick it off with Olympics talk including Simone Biles triumphant return to the Olympic stadium and her doc Simone Biles: Rising, Holden dishes about his San Diego Comic-Con trip and also heard tale of the possibility of an Elden Ring TV series, Jackie gives a thumbs up to Deadpool & Wolverine (MJ reports that Gideon does as well), The Decameron (2024), based on The Decameron(1353), is a sexy ass gross dark comedy, MJ goes over their Summer Movies Fun to Watch With Your Kids Corner which includes a ton of 80's and 90's comedy classics, the drama continues in 90 Day Fiancé: The Other Way and Lou Pearlman's story fizzles in the nothing that is Dirty Pop on Netflix, AND MORE ON TALKIN TV! Simone Biles: Rising - NetflixFallout - Amazon PrimeDeadpool and Wolverine - IN THE THEATAHHHHThe Decameron - NetflixThe Muppet Movie - Disney+Great Muppet Caper - Disney+Honey I Shrunk the Kids - Disney+90 Day Fiance: The Other Way - Max, Discovery +Dirty Pop - Netflix Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Female gymnastie brought home the goal everybody and yes, You are listening to this episode first this week, but you will listen to me through the other episodes this week while I watching in the background the U.S. finalists for the female gymnastics team and they won the gold. And I am so happy for them.

I'm not gonna sing, rise up, even though I want to. And that goes out to them. Love you. I love you, suburb. Yeah. China. China will get them next time, even though I won't be rooting for you. So don't get them next time. Canada, take them down next time.

Oh, you're switching from China to Canada. Well, this is the problem is that, no, no, no, yeah. I'm reading for China just for this one Olympics. And then the winter Olympics, I'll be rooting for Canada. So Canada will get revenge for in China's honor during hopefully some sort of skiing or snowboard. They're pretty good at that stuff. So hopefully they can pick up a couple of medals. Regardless, though, America, there's a reason why you're number one, baby.

I'm going to stop you right now. Well, yeah, I don't know about that. No, Simone Biles is a reason why you're number one, baby. Tell us about your documentary, Jackie. Let's talk about that. I guess we may as well start it off with Simone Biles rising. And yes, I absorbed it. And yes, I'm obsessed with her.

And how much she has to go through. do you realize the pressure that the Olympians are under? And thank you, Simone Biles, for taking the opportunity, even though, like, it was too, you had to because you were back up against the wall, because the media is a nightmare, because they desperately needed the answers from you when you were at such a low, and then everyone's ripping you apart everywhere. While, can you imagine? thinking about having not only bad brain, but the worst bad brain you can have, not only publicly screwing up, but internationally

screwing up and not because you screwed up, it's because your brain's not all the way functioning properly. I think they call it the twisties. Yeah. That's what they refer to it in gymnastics, is when you're in air and you're twisting and you lose your spatial awareness in the air. And it's very, very dangerous because you can break your neck.

You can break something. You could like change the rest of your life. So she got the twisties and was this and is this because of anxiety? Like how did she get right in the brain? You literally have to take a break. She waited after the Olympics because at first, you know, I'm trying to have to give. I guess it's not like giving it away, but obviously she's back at this Olympics, so you know what happens.

But she, after, you know, the last Olympics, it was such an insane, ridiculous ordeal for her. She took, it was a year and a half before she walked back in the Olympic training. Wow. She took a year and a half. I can't believe she's back, actually. Yeah. Like, because I, especially because she's 27. And I know that's-

Because she rose up, MJ. She would not. Let let that be her end. She couldn't do it. She was going to do everything in her power to get to this Olympics. And she just won the gold. Nice. And she just won the gold.

I'm really happy for her. I just check out the doc. It's only, it's two episodes, like two like 45 minute episodes. So it's not like a docu series that you got to like strap into for a long time. But he was just talking about so much in just also the field of gymnastics that obviously I have the privilege of never having to think about before, just even just down to like her or Gabby Douglas, like people that, you know, black women in the industry of gymnastics very ripped apart just because they don't look like what a gymnastics, like gymnastics person's supposed to look like. Yeah. Ripping them apart for their hair, their makeup, anything, anything they did ripped apart. Yeah.

So that on top of everything else. But like I also didn't realize, like, obviously we refer to Simone Biles as like the goat. But I didn't realize that she has multiple, I guess it's not tricks. Tricks isn't the word. I don't know what the word is. Worley twirlies. Worley twirlies. She's got multiple that are named after her because I think multiple of them that no one else can do.

Yeah, that I remember. That's why I want to watch the documentary because I just was showing the kids like her, what she had already done so far over the weekend at the Olympics. And I was like, like, I was like, you guys, what you are seeing, like, she literally has invented these tricks that no one else can, like, no one else has ever done anything like this. And it is, you know, again, without, I'm like so not usually like this, but it's, just kind of amazing to be like you are just actually looking at like the best athlete in the world in this field.

How cool is that? Yes. Like we get to live in that time. And we get to watch her perform. Yeah. And that's awesome. Yeah. It's why I still watch and I understand obviously, you know, many protests and things like that.

I'm watching for the people, specifically the people that work so hard and worked. And like I needed to see her stick it. I needed to watch her rise up. and she did. I'm so happy for her. This is very sad. I don't know this person. And I just like, I want to explode.

I'm so happy for her. No, but that's what the Olympics are all about. Learning the stories behind these people, especially because Olympics is so humbling. I mean, outside of the professional basketball players from America that are there, like, most of the people there, it's like a pretty humble existence. Totally.

You know, they're not millionaires. They're not, they don't have all these deals and stuff. In fact, a lot of families put everything they have. into giving them the opportunities even just to get them where they are. Shout out the Flavor, by the way, with the women's water polo team. And also, like, you know Simone. The pictures.

Like, Simone Biles' family is very, very supportive of her. And there was so big that the fact that they weren't there because they couldn't be there at the last Olympics. And imagine performing for silence. Yeah, God. Like, I know that it has to be silent anyway, but there's no fans. That's crazy. There's nobody there and thinking about going through that. Yeah, it's like,

It's like me having sex. Awful. Just hear a pin drop. And no one wants to watch it. Yeah, just like the Olympics hold in a great, great comparison. I think that everyone should watch Simone Biles Rising. Also, the fact that, like, what Simone Biles came from. She was actually in the foster system.

Her parents are biologically her grandparents. And they, like, fought to get them back. Really? It's just, I love you, Simone Biles. Yeah, definitely we have to watch that. Yeah, it's on my list. Hell yeah. I actually didn't. I knew that I like, it's literally like a cat. When she is in front, when the Olympics are in front of me, I'm like, we. And then I forget. And I didn't, I just didn't know anything about her from the last time around. So. Oh, yeah. I'm a fair weather. I'm not like, I can't name outside of the women, specifically the women on the female gymnastics team. I can't name any other gymnasts. Yeah. You know, I'm not like pro gymnast. Jackie Zabrowski.

Yeah. The Miss Andrists, who I live with, you know, the, my. kids were like, there was no women's gymnastics on, but the men's gymnastics were on, and they were like, we don't want to watch the boys. We only want to watch the girls. And I was like, I get it, man. A lot of people feel that way. Yeah, yeah. I get it. Man. I get it. Although they're doing a great job too. Yeah, the boys are cool. I was like, you guys, the tricks are cool. They're cool whether girls do them or whether boys do them. Yeah. Watch the boys. Well, I said I was going to talk about a other panel that I went to from ComicCon, but I'd save it for talking TV. So here we go. I really enjoyed the video games go Hollywood panel.

We just kind of picked one out of the blue that seemed interesting to us. Me and Rob, Rob, producer for Last Pugust of the Left. And so we chose that one. I'm glad we did. It was interesting. The only problem was,

as an audio person, especially for Rob, he was losing his mind. These were all like visual artists. People, I thought about it afterwards. Like, how would they not be more cognizant of this being in entertainment?

But like, they're all visual art people. They were very bad at like getting up on the microphone a couple of them. So it was like really hard to hear a couple of them, which was very annoying. But besides that, really enjoyed it. They had a couple people from and these are like, I don't know their exact titles, but these are like set design, art design people who worked on Five Nights and Fridays, one person who worked on the Twisted Metal TV show.

And then another two people who worked on Fallout TV show. And so it was really fascinating to hear them talk about like adapting a video game. I mean, it's interesting because fallout, you almost have too much to work with. You know, it's all these games, these giant games, hundreds of hours games, giant worlds to explore. Whereas twisted metal, you just have this extremely rudimentary and Five Nights of Freddy's, really. Even though Five Nights of Freddy's, the game after game came out and they kind of expanded on all the lore and everything at least. And we did a whole episode on Five Nights and Fridays, if you were confused by that title over on Wizard of the Bruiser.

Twist the Metal, though, is just cars fighting each other, right? And so it's all the different ways they adapted everything. I think the most interesting takeaways was for Five Nights and Freddy's, they built the entire like Freddie, I forget his name, Freddie Fastburger, whatever it is, Freddie Funbags, a pizzeria. They built the entire thing as like one livable pizza restaurant like Seth. So it's not like a couple of,

bunch of different sets. And it was like in the Midwest somewhere or something, Middle America, and people like found out about it and started like showing up and like taking pictures and stuff. It was an actual like you just like were in that space as a fully realized like creepy pizzeria with animatronics. And then on Fallout, the guy, he designed the vaults and stuff. And he made them use like a vault design like the vault design program from Bethesda from the video game. So they had a constraint there. They had to they could only design the vaults

that way. Hell yeah. Which was really interesting. And just all sorts of stuff like the cornfield with the screens in it. That was originally just supposed to be a painting of a cornfield. And then he was like, why don't we make it like LCD screens? Like the inside the

vault that cornfield, the fake cornfield. And then they were like, yeah. And then like we'll put a big action sequence in there and like blow up the screens and stuff. And And, you know, they're just kind of the way they were discovering stuff organically was quite interesting. So just really cool, really fascinating to hear the different approaches and stuff. They had a little, like, video up top showing the different stuff. And maybe I think I'm going to check out Five Nights at Freddy's at some point out of curiosity.

It's not scary at all. But I also wonder. Didn't it start as like a phone game? No, no. No, no. It was a very basic, very simple video game. It might have been on the... I mean, it's definitely been adapted to all that stuff, but it's...

I first heard about it like 10 years ago when I was teaching. It's a jump scare game, and it's for like little kids. It's scary for like middle schoolers, right? Yeah, that was... I heard about it from my elementary schoolers. It's a scary... What's weird, too, is it was made by this guy who's making, like, Christian video games. And he's, like, super conservative and his politics suck.

And he just, like, decided to make this other game as, like, a side thing. and it just blew up in popularity. So this Christian game maker became known for this, like, scary series of games. That's kind of fun. But, yeah, it's, I'm, I wonder if Five Nights and Freddy's will still be a thing when your girls get a little older, MJ, and if they'll get into it. Because it's one of the five things that kids are into at a particular eight. Yeah, kids do Roblox, Minecraft, Five Nights at Freddy's. Sonic the Hedgehog and, like, Spider-Man.

And those are like the five things. you are into as a kid these days. It's just very funny. So definitely one of those like identity things for sure. Well, it's good. I thank God for five nights of Fridays because we've got the Zelda video game and the Freddy video game. That is so true. Yeah. I didn't even think it's so funny. Also, what I did check out though was fallout. I definitely my interest was piqued after the panel. So I got home later that night as we drove back on Saturday evening after the show closed. and really I'm enjoying it. I think they did a really good job, like, knowing the game.

Like, I played a lot of Fallout. I do think they did a good job of taking the difficult, undertaking the difficult task of like, well, fallout games, you're like, you can have very different experiences in a Fallout game. You can have completely different builds, and you can decide to, like, align yourself with the Brotherhood of Steel,

or you can align yourself with, like, other groups and stuff like that. And so I think they did with the tri-character setup thing. They did a good job. of like kind of representing the various different kinds of experiences you can have in a fallout game. It's a huge world. So so far I'm really enjoying it. And they're kind of nailing it.

And that was what Rob was telling me. It was just like they just did such a good job of adapting a video game. And that is so difficult to do. It's only been done well a couple of times. You know, Last of Us is probably the first really good one. I mean, we all point to Mortal Kombat. But Mortal Kombat's like a dumb B movie whatever. But like, for what it is, it was definitely the first one that was like, oh, wow, video games are getting into the movie theater.

But it's tricky. It's tricky. Every time I see a new video game adaptation in the works, I'm always like, oh, okay. What's this going to be? Or just like, why do we need to adapt this? And, you know, it's interesting, too, is apparently Eldon Ring is now being looked at. It's like my big game they're looking at maybe making it, I think, like a TV series. George R. Martin might be involved as he was involved in the creation of the lore of that game.

So I don't know how to feel about that. It's weird to me. That's very weird. Almost like Robert Downey Jr. being Dr. Doom, weird. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, some of the things I don't mind watching over and over again, and I did go see Deadpool and Wolverine yesterday.

Yeah, hell yeah. I heard it's so fun. Gideon's hot yesterday, too. Did he love it? He's like very, he just enjoys. go to the theater and see in his comic book movies. He doesn't have a lot of, like, critical thoughts about the way the MCUs handles things.

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on your favorite podcast app and hit that little subby-dovey button. Ooh, we would love it if you did that. Oh, that would help us out so much. God, wouldn't you love to do that? Don't I sound like the kind of person you want to help? Like, hit the button. Like, just do it. Well, this one was apparently particular. I've seen a lot of people really high on this

movie, especially in the context of superhero fatigue, which a lot of a lot of people feel. Did you like it, Jackie? I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it. And I'm saying this as someone that I enjoyed the first dead pool. I didn't care that much about the second dead pool. I could take it. I could leave it.

Yeah. It was kind of mid. It was fine. And this one I really had a great time with. Also, y'all know I'm a big X-Men bitch. So I am always here for just a taste more of Wolverine. and I will say for those of you that don't know a lot about what's going on in the world of the MCU, have somebody explain it to you before you go see the movie.

I had somebody explain it to me and then I knew. But I also, the things either have somebody explain it to you or you at least need to have seen the movie Logan. You got to watch the movie Logan and ask someone about what's going on because it will make the, enjoyment of the movie that much more. For instance, oh, I guess I don't want to give this away. How do I say it without giving it away? All right. There is someone in the movie that has been trying to champion a character and the

powers that be would not allow it. Let's say this person makes his own kind of music and is in this movie and everybody went wild. but even I knew the lore around this actor and this character. So it's like, I feel like it's not as gatekeepery as it could be for this kind of insider baseball movie because it really is an insider baseball movie because like they're saying goodbye, you know, to that version of the X-Men. Like I, Jeff had to explain to me if this was all wrapped up in the Doctor Doom conversation.

because I was like, what is happening? Why are these things happening? And then I was like, wait, so this is the last time Hugh Jackman will play Wolverine? He's like, yeah, he's like, didn't you get that after Logan? And I was like, I don't know. In my brain, when I watch your comic things, sometimes people die and sometimes they come back.

Yeah, they can always bring anybody back, especially now with the multiverse. With Dr. Doom, I was like, wait, does that mean that Iron Man then? Robert Downey Jr. as Ironman is never going to come back. And Jeff's like, well, dot, dot, dot, dot. And I was like, I, but.

I mean, at the very least, that's what they want you to believe so that if they do want to give you another holy shit moment, like maybe they're building towards that. Maybe they're building towards Robert Downey Jr. returning fully as Ironman and the Dr. Doom thing is like a bait and switch. I mean, you never know at this point. But what is interesting is like they're in a very interesting place in general right now. Like they're, they've taken some licks.

People are getting fatigued. It's a tough thing. I mean, we watch DC try and fail at this. And Marvel was able to capitalize on it, but building a whole universe and building, making a bunch of movies that build towards like a bigger movie with the Avengers stuff is like fucking hard, man. That's like a crazy thing to try to accomplish. And they did it once. But it's like, you know, I mean, technically three times.

if you want to say with all three Avengers movies, they kind of did like one big push on that with those three Avengers movies. And now they're trying to like do it again. And it's like, you know, A, people are kind of hitting their limit with super hero movies. So it's a little bit harder to get those like lead up movies to sell as well or to get as much hype as they used to.

You know what I mean? Like, you know, like the marvels and stuff like that. And also it's just like, yeah, what do you got for us this time using that really difficult format the DC failed so hard at, you know, it's like, and then, and the multiverse thing kind of played itself out really fast.

Like, it really played itself quickly where we're like, okay, now they're all the multiverse and all the, we get it. All the actors can now be, you know, interacting with each other who've played the same role and stuff.

And then it's just like, but that's why, of course, this movie is funny because it's also making fun of that. So that's what that. Deadpool Which is why it's fun. And Wolverine is,

yeah, is kind of doing and that, but that's why you have to know going in because it's extremely meta and it's extremely like trying to be insider based on, you know, what,

uh, what's been happening for the MCU. And you don't have to know exactly what's going on, but I will just say it, I feel it gave me a different depth of understanding the movie that made me enjoy it more rather than feeling like, I don't know what this means. Yeah,

they're definitely referencing something. Yeah. Yeah. And then when like somebody shows up and everyone in the audience went crazy and like I'm glad I knew who that person was and why they were going crazy. And like I will say my husband had already seen it so he was able to spoil it for me because I was like I'd rather know so that I can enjoy the movie better. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I am too. I'm like spell it out for me.

Yeah. When it comes to these, just tell me. When it comes to these, just tell me what to think about these things. I'm fine with it. Yeah. I mean it's it's a cool setup because it's. it works well for the super fans of the MCU because you get rewarded, the more you invest, the more they try to reward you, right?

So if you've watched all the shows and all the movies, they're going to try to, like, reward you for that effort, you know, but it's exhausting. And I, like, have given up on a certain level of that at this point in my life. But, you know, San Diego Comic Con kind of put a new life back in me a little bit. I sort of, I picked She Hulk back up, kept what, you know, I was like, I kind of want to watch some superhero shit all of a sudden for the first time in an extremely long time. I was like, I actually want to watch some MCU shit. Definitely check out Deadpool and Wolverine.

But here's the question. Like, is something going to come out at some point that like we hate Ryan Reynolds? He's very charmed. Like, I feel the way about Ryan Reynolds in a similar, obviously not to the same extent as a Glenn Powell, where I'm like, okay, I see you. I look at you, right? Everybody is charmed by you. It seems like on paper you are genuinely a good and or nice person. Yeah.

Right? T. Swift loves him. Yeah, I feel like his association with Blake Lively, yeah, they're just, they're kind of like a golden couple in a way that just for some, some bad boy inside me, like roots. Not for their demise or their downfall, but just some, right, I'm like, what's the dirt? What is it? Where's the dirt? Yeah, like maybe it would be cool if like some goblins showed up their home and like took them to like a lair for a, like a long weekend.

Not the kids. Just them. Not the kids. No. The kids can fend for themselves too, I think, at this point. They can probably like get food from the pantry. One's at least like six months old. Yeah.

Yeah, that's easy. So it's got to be fine. Yeah, I don't know. No, I don't know. With them, I think it's, I think they're fine. But I am charmed by like the Wrexham stuff. I'm charmed. Yeah, that's the thing.

They're consistently very charming. Her too. Blake lively is very charmed. I know. Something in me, though. I'm just like. What is there? Is something there? Yeah, yeah. What's there?

No, I get it. I feel you. Definitely. Gideon said that his favorite part was Hugh Jackman more than Ryan Reynolds. Hugh Jackman was so, the best part. Yeah, he's great. Jeff and I were talking about this after the movie. Because Wolverine and Deadpool are so the opposite of acting styles, it was still wonderful to see every single scene. Deadpool was a Hyundai Deadpool and Wolverine was a Hyundai Wolverine.

That's fun. came at every situation so it was funny but also Hugh Jackman. Good Lord. Looks great. It's a lot. Yeah. And I was just like, man, he, I am just, well, I, I'm way more attracted. I'm attracted to Wolverine.

I'm not necessarily attracted to Hugh Jackman. You know what I mean? That surprises me because how many gay men you had sex with in high school, I would have assumed you would find Hugh Jackman attractive outside. side of the character. I mean, if he's Jean Valjean. I was going to say, it's because, maybe it's because he was, but I was, yeah, no, he he wasn't, you like Russell Crowe, even though he was Javert.

Well, that's the thing. I honestly can't believe you. The main problem is that I was in love with Javert in the, in the states that we were referring to earlier. I was thinking about the Javert in high school from a competing school. And he played Javert and I felt so in love. with him even though he was Javert. Even though he's Javert. How dare you? He was so good. And that bass, oh, oh, give me shivers. Now, I need to, I started pitching you on this earlier, MJ, but now it's

time to pitch Holden on it. I need, I think that you guys will both love this show. It's called the decamerin. The decamarin. It just dropped on Netflix. And it is, at least in my house, immediate hit. We've only watched the first two episodes. We started watching it last night because I didn't know if this was going to be my husband's type of thing. So the decamarin is based, it's a black comedy about the plague. Great idea. It's a horny black comedy about the plague. And it is based on a book called the decameran that essentially was written back then as a horny black comedy. And it is based on a book. read for people talking about very rich aristocrats leaving the cities to go to a countryside villa to stay away from the plague and then what happens when they're at this villa? Apparently

that is the only thing that it has in common with the DeCamarin originally. And this is, oh my God, it's so, it is. There's a scene in the second episode that I was like, it made me think of I thought about you I was just like I had to like pause I was so turned on by it and Jeff and I just like sat

and stared because man this dude the one from Willow and now of course I don't have it pulled up right now the one that I want to kiss the most Amar Chadha Patel he plays oh man

And this, ooh, he's a big, thick tree trunk of a man. And he was in the show Willow that I loved that nobody else did and it did not get picked up for a second season. And I'm so happy to see him get another job because it is horny. It is darkly very funny. It's disgusting. It's very well written. And it gave me, like, vibes of our flag beans death, gave me that kind of, like, like, like dark comedy history vibes.

I'm absolutely so. Also, like our flag means that, also they did a bunch of research. So a lot of what they used really was true for the time and how they would do. So there's also like parts that are very real and obviously parts that are very not real, but the cast is unbelievable. And it just dropped. I think you guys will love it. Hell yeah.

Well, in MJ's movies I'm watching with the. summer movies fun to watch with your kids' corner. Last week I did the Muppet movie and the Great Muppet Caper, which I didn't even meet. I forgot to even mention that that's basically most of my TV consumption these days, but we made a big list. Well, it's summer vacation. You can only do so much. You can only do so much, but it's been very fun. We made a big list. And thankfully, my kids now are old enough and interested. They love watching movies. And so we're totally out of the, like, the trolls and Frozen Universe. and they're like down to watch whatever we did.

Dude, that's great. Don't tell mom the babysitter's dead. Yes. A few weeks ago we did the Muppet movie and Great Muppet Caper last week. And then this week we did, Honey, I Shrunk the Kids. And the first thing I said was, that's the mom from Buffy. It's the mom from Buffy. But, man, they loved it.

How did Honey I Shrunk the Kids hold up? Great. Really? Yeah, I did an episode on it. for Wism the Bruiser not too long ago too and really enjoyed it. I don't even think there was any

like anything where you're like ah like you know like because I've watched a good amount of 90s movies with the kids now and you know every so often some really sexist thing or worse will happen and nothing really

like it's just it's just I mean I remember loving that movie as a little kid and it's just I feel like watching it with the kids it's exactly whoever like did the set designed for that movie. I feel like just really understand how the child imagination works.

It's like so thrilling to be like, oh my God, the kids loved auntie, like, devastated. Oh, no. Yes. But yeah, it's a great, I highly, if you are like home with kids, I don't know, maybe I would say under the age of, between the ages of five and 10, I highly recommend. I got my list from a friend who has kids who are. were like eight and ten. And they just made a big list of like 80s and 90s classic like comedies. And that was why we had, don't tell mom the babysitter's dead,

which wasn't, I don't think a movie I had actually seen. It was like one of those ones I was like maybe a little too young for. But like, it's a good one. It's a great one. Like just make a list of all of those, you know,

again, classic 70s, 80s, 90s family movies and it will make watching movies. It will make movie night with your kids so enjoyable. Highly recommend. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, dude.

Nice. Well, I also know you've been watching, you started watching 90-day Fiancee the other way, right, MJ? I started 90-day the other way. I accidentally was in a wrong season for a while, and I got to hear the origins of the line, Diverso. And then I went back to the present. I was like, this is why Jackie and old had always said divorce-so. Dvorso.

Is that what you want? Dvorso. But, yeah, now I'm in 2024, 90-day, the other way. And, yeah, I, oh, man, what you said last week was, you know, if you want to scorn. scream at people on television. This is what you should watch. And boy, you are right. Ooh, what's upsetting you the most if you remember? Is it Chikina and Sarper? Because that whole relationship is, man, Sarper, now the fact, like, I don't know if you're fully caught up to this episode, because I think there's only like three or four episodes out. I think it's four

episodes out right now. And that relationship, I mean, don't get me wrong. I'd watch the take. Yeah, it would watch the tape. But it is so, their relationship's like, what are we doing here, Shikina? Let's like, let's think about what you deserve a little bit more before we continue with Sarpur. Yeah, yeah, that's one of those ones where you're, many of them I find, you're not really rooting for anyone. Right. Which is kind of a thrill. Yeah, it's the fun of it.

Yeah, you're sort of, you're not, you're not necessarily completely against them, but you don't, Yeah. It's kind of like watching a horror movie with like, like, with really bad actors. And I learned my first love of horror came about in college. And part of it was like, oh, it's great because the actors are so bad in these slasher movies that like it's kind of fun when they die. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It's like, it's kind of, it's not, I don't feel so bad about their death.

So I can watch like relationships crumble before me. And I'm like kind of don't even feel bad. because they're horrible people. I mean, even the people who get catfish, you're just like, bro, everyone in your life is telling you, including like the production staff, that this is not good, you know what I mean? And they're still doing, you know,

because the production staff sometimes will start feeling bad. It'd be like, bro, she's not, dude. Here, let me show you this video. This is her, like, you know, trying to bang guys on some other thing. You know what you mean? Or whatever. It's like crazy to just try to, snap people out of it.

You're just like, dude, I was, you know, it's one of those words. It's like, well, I was with you up to a certain point, but now this is on you. So it's a lot of the fun of it. Yes. Yeah, no, it's great. I expected to kind of have a instinct to, that the Americans would be the most annoying ones, which is usually true. But again, you just never know who's going to be annoying.

Although, yeah. Isn't that a joy? I don't know what it's going to be between Corona and Inki from, I think, I can't, I forget if he's in Iceland. Where is he? He's an Iceland. Yeah. Inky is in Iceland. And like they finally like see each other. And I was like, I guess like with the way I feel like they're both talking about each other and the way that Corona is literally giving up a lot to go to Iceland. And like her culture, her family, like she's not going to have. She's going to feel very, very alone. And she shows up in Iceland. And it's just this like peck on the cheek. He's very like

standoffish. And I'm just like, Corona. I don't know. I don't think this is a good idea, girl. I don't think I think you should go back to Pennsylvania, bitch. I don't think you should. And then on top of it, James and Mitalia, like when they're moving to Indonesia, and James just doesn't tell his family that he's moving to Indonesia. Oh, the elevator operator. The elevator operator.

And then she's in Indonesia not telling her family that he's moving to Indonesia. And her family's like, oh, good. James is coming out to visit. And like, what they don't know is that he's moving. moving here. Why not just tell them? Oh, because they're not going to like it. You literally run your family business, bro. You've got to tell them that you're moving to Indonesia. Talk about what choices you

are making. And I also like Josh and Lily in China. Very excited for them because I do think they actually genuinely like each other. But you're going to watch that explode too. Yeah, I'm worried about Josh. How dare you bring up China when you know I'm rooting for them in the Olympics and they just lost to the U.S. Yeah, yeah, they didn't do well. They did, well, they did, well technically. But they didn't get the gold.

Not well enough, holding. My heart goes out to the many people of China. Is that you, Donald Trump? Very good people, China. Oh, God. But I will also say another couple that from last season that I can't believe is back of this season, that is Statler and Dempsey. Again, don't get me wrong.

Watch the tape at any point in time. but I couldn't believe they made it past last season. So I've watched all of these seasons. But I believe that they first showed up in the last season. They shouldn't be together. Yeah, no, I do kind of feel like it's my first day at a high school where everybody has been in the same school since kindergarten. Like everyone knows each other.

Yeah, everyone knows. And I'm just catching up. Yeah, Seller and Dempsey, it's a tricky one for sure. these two. It's a tricky one because they're about to like move into a camper van together and they they're going to like and Stattler is like refuses to do anything to like set up the camper van and Dempsey's just like oh I'm just a hot girl oh oh I did like the two I was like what are you both doing right yeah I'm sorry just a couple of mixed up lesbians you know what I mean got a love love this I'll watch him kiss I've also I did watch most of dirty pop the Netflix show about Lou Perlman

And you told us to no go. And Jackie, I know you got... You told us watch it and then you texted like two hours later and was like, it's boring. Don't watch it. And I'm bummed because I was like, damn, I kind of want to fucking watch it. But, I mean, if you're saying it's dog shit. I mean, it's not dog shit. It's more just like, like, I guess I thought there was going...

And this is about Lou Pearlman, the pop band producer owner essentially of Backstreet Boys in sync, like a bunch of different bands. Is it more just we kind of already know the... story essentially. It's like why I haven't watched the Scooter Taylor documentary. I thought there was going to be a lot more. I think that's why I thought it was boring. I was waiting for bombshells. I thought it was going to be more bombshells. But I kind of, the only thing that I didn't know is the fact that he paid himself out as a sixth member of Baxtery Boys. Yeah. Yeah. That's how, like, so it was all about the embezzling. And that's really my bad brain really likes to be upset in a different way. and there's something about financial bamboozling that of like the financial bamboozling of already very and still very, very rich people.

I'm just like, I didn't. This is a horrible thing. I was like, I mean, I know it's scandalous and I know it's bad. But I thought it was going to like get a lot worse. And it didn't. And maybe I'm wrong. I'm sure I'm wrong. If there's like people in the industry out there who listen, I would like to hear from me.

Because I was talking to a friend recently who was a. filmmaker and she was saying there's just like this kind of like glut of documentaries like documentary is so in demand and people really want to make like the tick-tac dance documentary like a really compelling story that's kind of like there to be found from footage that's available and I feel like in a way like the Nick and Aaron documentary and the Aaron Carter and the Taylor and Scooter documentary and this documentary it's kind of like okay let's like let's get in on like the documentary wave but there isn't a bunch of like new information And so I feel like that's kind of what you're describing.

Just like, let's rehash this thing. Yeah, like we're presenting all the information that there is and it might be interesting. But also this like might not need to be a story that's told right now. I don't know. Or for people that don't work in pop culture. And maybe it is possible that like many people don't know this information. And therefore, I think it's awesome. But as someone, you know, I just happen to know more about this stuff.

So it also could just be that. I get asked all the time about like the Taylor's version thing. I mean, it's just something I just know. so like every kind of in and out of what that was, you know what I mean? It is. So it's just like, why would I watch somebody retell it to me?

I'm not like that obsessed. You know what I mean? Right. Right. You know, like, I just like, it's a Taylor thing. You know what I mean? I just don't, I don't need it re-retold.

Also, it was really, really weird. And stop me if this is something, maybe I don't watch enough docu-series. They decided to, AI his self and had Lou Pearlman as himself reading portions of his book

And they openly say that it's AI generated Hate Why? Hate it. Yeah, weird. Hate it. Oh my God, no. That's not a documentary.

Who can do his voice to fucking do the part. Yeah, get somebody to read it. That's fucking stupid. Yeah. There's no reason to do it. I was very weirded out by it. I was like, oh, is this?

In no way. Should that become a norm in documentary? Right. In docs. Okay, thank you. I was like, am I crazy? Documentary? Shouldn't be happening.

No, don't like it. Thank you. Thank you. That's totally crazy. I mean, you know, and they can just start making them say whatever they want them to say. Yay.

Yeah. Right? Yeah, it's like Elon sharing the AI video of Kamala. Uh-huh. Let's not go down this road. Nothing good can come home. Yeah, it's not good. I'm glad you start.

I said that because I was like, am I just like, I get scared of AI. I'm just like kind of living off to the side, just being like, I feel like this is going to go haywire. No, I know that you can make it do some funny things. I know that you can make it do some useful things. I know somebody who made a whole recipe, like, weeknight recipe plan using AI, whatever. I'm not judging people who use it for like little things to make their life easier. I am judging industry, the industry.

Yes. For using it. Yeah. Like using it to cut corners. so that they don't have to just pay a fucking voice actor to read it or to like make it somehow more authentic when it is literally fake. Yeah. In a documentary that's the whole point of documentary is that it's real.

Right. Thank you. That's annoying. I despise that. I also did and I thought that I was being too sensitive. No. I just want to say thank you. I feel validated now.

I think that we owe it to ourselves and the every industry that relies on artists to call out AI being used like this at all times. Honestly, even the fact that it comes up. Not in a docu-series. That's that every time you Google search something, you get that fucking AI review. And we hate it. Yeah. I want it gone.

Because also it's not usually. I shouldn't say usually. But I've noticed multiple times it's not the proper info. No, it's wrong. Like it keeps telling people to eat rocks and stuff. It's wrong. Like it's wrong. And it is burning energy.

It is so again, if you're a person who uses AI in your life, I have many friends who do like it. That, again, I'm not judging like individual use. but the fact that it is part of Google now, giving people the wrong information and just sucking up the grid, energy from the grid, and that it is taking over the things people are making with their actual creative human minds

and their human voices, their human bodies. No, we must refuse it at all. Hostile refusal is what I am calling for. I love hostile refusal. Love a hostile refusal. This is hostile refusal, page seven, all right? Sorry to get all righteous. No, we need you.

We need your right. That's so creepy. A.I. Lou Perlman reading his own book. Yeah, very. And I didn't need to look at his, I don't need to look at his face. No. I'm fine. So, but, you know, I'm sure that I have to look at this with the perspective of that I probably know a lot more than your average bear. So maybe this is more on me.

There you go. Fine. Right. Did you guys have anything else you wanted to add? I think that's it. Let's sing the song and get it rolling. you got to get to another recording Jackie, so.

I certainly do. Let's rip it up. Rip the Band-Aid up. Talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie talking TV and George is going to get wacky. Because everybody knows what everyone knows. And everybody knows we're watching shows. We're talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie. This show is made possible.

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