Page 7 - Talkin' TV - I Don't Understand It, And I'll Never Like It

Episode Date: January 22, 2025

This week it's just Holden and Jackie, and they're both mourning the loss of David Lynch by viewing his filmic experiences, and both make plans to revisit shows they stopped in the past like post season 1 Twin Peaks, and HBO's Watchmen. Holden spent too much money at Amoeba Records, but got a pretty sweet Beyonce boxset vinyl! Jackie recalls watching Mulholland Drive with her mother in the theatre at roughly age 13. Jackie hates her love for Bad Girls Club, and despite spoiling it for Holden, Jackie won't let him spoil "The Brutalist". Jackie gives a breakdown of the Bam Margera episode of "The Curious Case Of...", and Holden lets Jackie know what he's thinkin' of the breakdown of "Dear Evan Hansen" by Jenny Nicholson. Jackie was not super impressed with "A Real Pain", but worth a watch now that it's on Hulu, and Holden gives an update on Kings of Tupelo! Great Art Explained is a Great Break from the current reality, Jackie rewatched Starry Eyes, and EVEN MOOOOORE! Twin Peaks - Paramount+Lost Highway - Amazon PrimeReal Housewives of SLC - PeacockBad Girls Club Season 7 - OxygenCurious Case of....Bam Margera - MaxA Real Pain - HuluThe Kings of Tupelo - NetflixGreat Art Explained - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBG621XEegk&ab_channel=GreatArtExplainedStarry Eyes - Peacock Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Talking TV With Holden and Jackie Talka TV And you know it's gonna get wacky Because everybody knows What everyone knows Everybody knows We're watching shows

Yeah, we're watching shows We're watching shows With Holden and Jackie It's just the two of us chickens It's back to the original song How did you feel about it? of us. We can make it if we try.

Just the two of us. Yes, Holden. Yes. Sing it loud. Sing it proud, baby. Yes. And we are watching television shows. Man, I don't know about you,

but having a bit of a lynch-a-thon over in my household. I don't know if that's how you've been mourning the death of one of America's greatest filmmaker. Best way to do it. You know, I mean, I've, I guess, world's great unless I said America. Definitely been screaming about this into a microphone, but not into a page seven branded microphone. I don't think just yet.

So let's get into it. I think, you know, I, yes, I threw on Last Highway, which I really enjoyed. It's insane, which is great. Dude, Lost Highway is so fucking weird, bro. Yeah, I love it. But, man, you those arquette titties, a barra, parra, parra. It's full on Lynch. It's like the most David Lynch.

There's no holding back. So if you're looking to ease your way in, I probably wouldn't start with Lost Highway. No. You think so? No, no, definitely not. Not if you're easing your way in. If you want to throw yourself into a lynchathon, throw on Lost Highway. Like that's how you jump out the gate.

But yeah, I think if you, honestly, I think the most palatable way to start, if you want to start with a movie, blue velvet, for sure. I think it's the most like, you know, it's insane to say this about a movie like Blue Velvet, but what do you look at Dave Litch's repertoire? Are you about to say it's accessible? It's like, it's like one of the more accessible, I would say. And then at the end of the day, and the reason why I think people love it so, so much is... I mean, it's fantastic. Well, is also the, uh, is Twin Peaks because of the grounding nature of Mark Frost as co-creator.

Mark Frost, he did, um, you know, Hill Street Blues and, and, these other kinds of like, you know, traditional, more traditional TV show stuff and then got together with David Lynch and together they put out this, you know, incredible work that is Twin Peaks. Just, I mean, I would just, yeah, get into it from season one. Just know that in season two, the networks got way to involved. They forced... 22 episodes? Yeah, yeah. Is it? Yeah, some like that. I know. It's a lot. But, you know, just, if you just, if you just want to taste if you just were curious. I think Twin Peaks just get right in there, you know, and see if you, and see what you think. And then you'll be hooked to be. This is one of the best TV shows of

all time, or you'll bounce off it because you're just not into David Lynch shit. And I understand that. This is the thing. I love David Lynch shit. Me too. I need everyone to know, I love the first season of Twin Peaks. I've watched it, I think, two or three times. Yeah. Here's the thing. I have never gotten past like the beginning or like halfway through season two. She likes to know why. And I mean, I am aware. Do you know why? Yeah.

I mean, I'm going to say it's my alcoholism. And in the past, I remember I would get to a point that I would be so drunk watching the episodes and I would have no idea what was going on. But now that I am a much more, I live a way more sober existence, I realize, Jackie, you were just actually too drunk to appreciate Twin Peaks. And you really need to go into it, not angry and drunk, because, like, ah, I feel like I was like an old sailor where I'm like, I don't understand it, and I'll never like it. And that's so wrong because right now I am now going through a new experience of Twin Peaks. And I am having a blast with it. But I will give you a heads up. You're drunk in mind, your alcohol.

addled mind wasn't completely incorrect. Yes. This is what happened. And you just need to be prepared for this because I do think you'll still want to enjoy the rest of season two, especially because he, Lynch does return. Here, let me get, let me back it up. The networks got all fucky with them as networks tend to do in season two after it became a runaway hit.

And they were like, you have to solve the murder. Everyone needs you to solve the murder. So they premature, so David Lynch walks away from the show. they prematurely tell you who, you know, reveal who Laura Palmer's murder is. And then like halfway through the season without Lynch there, it just becomes like dog shit for like a handful of episodes because like the whole thing just loses everything. Yes. They made them reveal the murder killer too early and then and then and also the main, you know, put thrust of the show. I mean, so much of what makes the show great is David Lynch is gone.

but he returns for like the two-part finale. And the finale's amazing. Aha. From what I remember, I think it's two parts. And the finale of season two is fucking awesome. Then you have Firewalk with me, which is rough, but it's really good. And then Twin Peaksler Return, which have you seen... I've heard you do it all for the return.

Dude, Twin Peaks Return is just David Lynch. And it's fucking incredible. Yes. It's so crazy. I mean, it is full lost highway. Like, it is so, so insane. And it's such a ride. And so there's really great stuff.

So, like, you're not totally wrong. Like these, you know, because I kind of went through a similar thing, too. But it is funny. We should do a whole episode on shit that we now need to rewatch because we were to. Because I've told this story before. This is me in the throes. This was like, I think, when we were deep in the throes of quarantine, just getting fucking hammered every night, like idiots, you know, kind of.

thing because like what else are we going to do? And I tried to watch that watchman HBO show twice. And both times I woke up the next day. Oh, man. After watching the first episode being like, I don't remember anything that happened in that episode. Anything. Now I need to rewatch it again. But, you know, you do that two times. You're like, I just don't think you're allowed to watch the show anymore, Holden. Because if you can't hold it to it now, I should actually go back to now. I'm drinking a lot less. So I should actually go back and reward myself. Go back now. With Watchmen.

So, yeah, it's been... Go enjoy it. There's so much more you get to enjoy when you're not blackout drunk every day. It's kind of crazy. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of amazing. Especially when you're not drinking to forget your life. Totally.

That's the thing. Well, and I get to read books at night, you know, which is great. Of the mubles. You're still going on that popcorn book, eh? I'm so slow. it though because I have other books I'm reading I had to stop everything and read a bunch of Captain America comic books because of whizbroo I'm still reading one piece and what I love about other mothers is it's just for me it's like a couple little chapters if I went on a beach trip right now that

bitch would be in like two days oh yeah that would be it would be over with that book but because of the nature of my it's like the last thing I pick up right before I close my eyes that I read like two and each chapter's like just took a couple pages for me love And the mystery, ooh, the mystery. Ooh, the mystery. Oh, that man. Oh, there's an evil man. I bet it's really crazy.

Obviously, if you can only read a couple of tiny chapters a night, man, it must be riveting. That's right. No, it is a page shooter, but I'm riveted by so many other things. Well, also, I think my switch just died, so that's going to, my Bellotro machine is possibly done. No, no, what are you going to do? Not play Bellotro, Jackie. Oh my God. Echoes of Wisdom, Jackie.

Oh, no. Yeah, it's broken me. Not like a promise. I'm really sorry. Yeah. I'm sorry for your loss. Thank you. Is that what we say when the switch breaks?

I want to recommend something that's not a TV show, but based off of something I watched on a television. Okay. So I'm just going to throw it out there for my vinyl collectors out there. I went to Amiba music for a big vinyl run. It's been months since I've been able to get a bunch of records. And whilst there, I got a bunch of stuff.

I spent way too much money there. But I managed to pick up finally because I'd always been eyeing it. And I was always like, why is this as, why is this not as expensive as I think it should be too? It's like $55. And it is the full homecoming Beyonce set from Coachella. And it comes with like a T-Swift-era's book level, like, photo book. That's awesome. got four records.

And I was worried, I was like, what's the catcher? It was only 55 bucks. Nope, it's just awesome. If you were a vinyl collector, it's a really, really good set. And every time I went to a Miba, I'd be like, I should get that, I should get that. And this time I finally bit the bullet. And that's like the thing I'm happiest about that I picked up. Hell yeah, that's awesome.

Yeah, so I just wanted to recommend that real quick. Tell us about the book. What's going on with the book? Is it like, I mean, I'm sure it's more than microfrivol. phone pictures. Oh yeah, because that's all the era's book is. It's just microphone pictures. I love that. I want the book back now. I've tried to give it back. And it's my book now.

And you wouldn't take it. Well, because you do have to keep it. Well, yeah, but it is like, it's just a bunch of really high quality photos from that set. That's a great accompaniment. It's just a damn good. That's awesome. A good box set thing I watch. Anyways, we don't need to spend too much more time on that.

Anything else about David Lynch? because I would say Twin Peaks, Blue Velvet, Mulholland Drive. Yes. I really need to watch Inland Empire. I have not watched that yet. I've also not seen Inland Empire. I really want to rewatch Mulholland Drive. I was just saying this story.

Same. Because I only saw it in the movie theater with my mother. And I believe I was like 13 years old when I saw Moholland Drive with my mother in the movie theater. Jackie, let's do movie night. Hit me up. Love it. Love it. I want to watch Mulholland Drive.

Yeah, it's great. and I also haven't seen it in forever, but there's still moments from it that like stick in my mind. That's how great it is. Oh, certainly. I mean, I was, there was moments,

if you're sitting next to your mother, you might be traumatized by the way that I was. And now I want to watch it again because I feel like in the same way of like, Jackie, as I was watching Lost Highway, I was like, why would I have ever?

I mean, I was a child, so I didn't know any better. You just had no idea, right? Never go see. if unless you have that kind of relationship with your mother, which good for you. I'm very happy for you. I don't have that relationship with my mother.

I don't want to watch Patricia Arquette's beautiful, perfect tits going up and now and up a banana and oh, she's bad, but oh, she's so good. Patricia Arquette is amazing, by the way, and that's really my main takeaway from Lost Highway. She's great. Because I had also never seen Lost Highway and Bobo, Bobo. Man, it's weird. Yeah, Wild at Heart is a. another one I really want to watch.

Which you can't find anywhere. You can't stream it anywhere. We looked everywhere and a buddy of ours has a DVD of it and we're going to borrow it so we can watch Wilde Art. Because I haven't seen that. Yeah, Adam's got it, of course. And I was like, so we immediately went to him because we're like, Adam, we can't find a David Lynch. She's like, which one you want? Like he was a Lynch dealer.

Yeah, yeah. Opened up his jaggones. Like, yeah, flap, flap. Which one? What do you need to get into? and I was like, yeah, give me it all. That's not what happened, Hold on. Yeah, I know that's not what happened.

That's insane. Everything you just said was insane. And I'm just looking at David Lynch's movies scrolling through. But yeah, I mean, just you gotta. In honor of the man and what's... Man, I can fuck crazy. That moves.

And, you know, and if you bounce off of it, that's great too. Because that, you know, I told this story each time I'll say it again on here. You know, I went with three. three friends to Mulholland Drive. And we were in college. And we sat down and had this movie like happen at us is the best way to describe a David Lynch movie viewing. Oh, yeah. And one of them, we walked out of the theater and one was like walking on air. He was like just so floored by it.

He thought it was just the best thing he'd ever seen. It was amazing. I was like kind of in the middle. I was like, I don't know. I was really confused by a lot of it. But it was really intriguing. And I want to watch it again. And I think I liked it. But it's one of those. movies or I don't know what to think. And the other one like just super thought it was trash and thought it was just a terrible movie and just full of shit. And that is like, oh, the beauty of David Lynch. And that is art. That is art. Yes. And that is the way I want my art to be when I'm truly like feeling like I'm enjoying art. There's, there's no pandering. There's no, you know, trying to make it as palatable for as big of an audience as possible. You know what I mean? That's what makes things, I think, less art. I think that's

why Scorsese and Oliver Cromwell, I can't remember his name, whatever, Coppola, and everybody, you know, of that kind of, in that kind of field with movie making is, like, has some shit to say about, like, the superhero movies, and I'm not trying to say that the superhero

movies aren't good and that I don't enjoy them, but I think what they're speaking towards is a lament of movies in the theater that you would go and see, that would challenge you a bit more, and it wouldn't be for everybody. And those movies are so important. It's so important to have everything, you know, paintings and film and music and

everything. As much as I love my pop girlies and everything like that, I do love, but I love like Charlie X-EX because she's sort of like, I feel like defies the genre sometimes and is fucky with it. I just, I don't know. The world needs more David Lynch's and the world losing one, especially now. Everything just hurts right now, though. You know, everything just hurts right now. But especially right. right now is a shame. We're all raw this week, especially. And I think that it is just, we're all just like, again, come on, can we just, please, can we just?

I feel like I wake up every morning and just yell that into the ether. Right, right. Man, it just keeps on justing out there and we got to keep on going. I just, I can't, I can't. Well, then you need to go to the bad girls club. That's right. I started season seven last day. I'm proud of you for going to bed.

Honestly, again, I can't remember if I said this on talking TV last week and forgive me if I did. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City is saving my soul right now. Let's have a little kiki on our trash reality that we're trying. You share with me why yours is a saving your soul. I will share with you why Bad Girls Club has given me new life. I just, I want to, I hate it. I hate how much I love it. I hate how much I want to dress like them.

In fact, my friend Lisa Rose, who is an amazing stylist, look up Lisa Rose Style.com. Lisa Rose is now, I was like, can you help me dress like a housewife but for cheap? And without, and I was like, I want to dress like them. I want to look like them. I'm obsessed because it's just the sound. The sound of all of their vocal fry washes over me.

and I need it. I hate everything right now. And I just want to be like, yeah, screaming her, scraming her. I bet she is a part of the Russian mom. I just remind you, they are a part of the capitalist system.

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on September 30th on the last podcast network Twitch channel, where we'll be taking your calls live on air. help you figure out who's the bitch. All right, I just finished season four. At the end of season four, something is revealed that I would never, you know, tell you what this is, Holden, it may be off air if you wanted to. Something is revealed that makes you. Oh, no, is it another brutalist? No, not another brutalist.

I did tell. I cannot believe. I just want to say, Holden, do not spoil. the brutalist for everybody. What? No one cares. Who cares? I feel like it's like Jurassic Park Dotson.

Dotson's here. See? Nobody. Into the brutalist. Into the Brutalus is here. No one cares. No one's like, oh my God, don't spoil the brutalists. What does fucking the Ritler show up in the post credits?

Like, there's nothing that could happen. Honestly, it kind of reminded me of the end of Joker 2. I will say that. Well, now you're giving it away. Let's just say, I guessed correctly. And Jackie lied to my face. I lied publicly. because he guessed correctly, and I didn't want to ruin the end of the movie for everybody.

I just feel like, and now my reputation squandered because I made a really good guess. All right, with your snake. Take your reputation out of here, Tay. All right. This is not your Tay day. Yeah, you are the Kim Kardashian in this situation, okay. I'm the Kim Kardashian. And Henry's the Kanye.

I'm the Kim Kardashian. I'm speaking of hiling something. How do these bitch is dress us? There we go. There it is. I'm surprised he didn't say it. I'm surprised he didn't sing that at the inauguration. I have to laugh. Like, do you hear me? I'm maniacally laughing. Like, I feel crazy right now. I know we all feel crazy right now, guys. You're not alone. I need you to know. Put on the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Let it just wash over you. Let them just scream. And messy 20-year-olds.

Well, let's talk about a little bit more about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City before I talk about the messy 20-year-old group 20-year-olds from 20-10. Oh, my God. I'm seeing a lot of, like, sparkles, and I'm seeing, like, this one woman's wearing, like, these big, like, a big... It's almost like she's being, like, big birds' like girlfriend. She's wearing a bunch of giant kind of feathers

on her arms. Like, what are you talking about? When you talk about dressing like them... You have to look up what they wear in their everyday life. This is all of them in their, like, promo photos. But in their everyday life, they all look insane. I could... But they're all wearing, like, blinged out like high designer stuff like I want it all but I want it all on the budge

how do we do I want it all fake I want it all real cheap how do I look like them on a budge because they look so insane and I love that they're in this town filled with Mormons half of them still kind of identify as Mormon which is insane to me and they just yeah they're dressed you know what they're dressed like in this one picture like like characters from back to the future part two when they go to the They go to the future. Yes. Yes.

And I won it. And I, because I don't want, obviously, I would never really vibe in the world of a housewife or world. Not that I'm going to be living at any time soon. Surprise. But the end and what they did with season four is very funny. It really pops off. And apparently, season five just ended.

And apparently that season was. fucking fire as well. And I can't, I'm already going to miss them. Even though there's 20 episodes in the next season, I'm already nervous about what I'm going to do when it's over. I hear you, you know? I mean, that was what's so beautiful for me with, uh, with, uh, bad girls club is that we finished season forward, which is our first season.

And I'm going off of lists talking about the best seasons because some are like clunkers, because you never know what you're going to get. They try their best to fill a house with drunk. bitches that are messy and mean and horny, but you never know what's going to happen. Sometimes they might just get along magically, you know? Right. But not if you got a house with voodoo, Judy in it. Not a house with voodoo Judy in it.

Voodoo Judy, Jackie. What season is this? Season seven. So season four had Natalie, Natalie Nunn, who is like one of the most reviled villains in reality history. I mean, she's like just horrible, right? but man, I don't think it gets worse than voodoo july. I think Natalie would meet her match with voodoo judy.

She's just so like she doesn't give. You say Natalie? Natalie, none. That's the problem too. In season four, Oh, I thought you met our Natalie. I was like, what would Natalie do? Natalie would be like, please don't hurt me.

It was the funniest game of like who's on first in season four because in that house there was a Natalie, a Lexi, and an Amber. So we'd be like talking about like them. It'd be like, no, no, not real life ever. You have to do what we do on the Sims. We refer to flesh, Jeff, and then there's Sims, Jeff. And then we talk about like flesh Holden versus Sims Holden. It was so difficult.

Yeah, I should have been like drunk crazy. But I, you know, but, but yeah, it was, that was confusing. Season seven, though. Were you about to say you were going to say drunk crazy Lexi, but I wouldn't be able to distinguish between the two? Because that's what it seems. like you were about to say. Yeah, totally.

Well, Amber, too, at least. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't talk to her. She went to a rave on Saturday. I got to talk to her. Yeah, she told me that she was going to it. And I was like, all right. Well, I love it.

I was like, don't. She's always like, I'm going to go with a bunch of lions to a picnic. You're like, okay, well, sounds dangerous. But, you know, put on a, there's got to be a suit you can wear or something around, lines, right? That'll make them. No? Okay, well, you have a good time. So, yeah, so season seven already kicked off of the bank. It's already been several scraps. Man, they just start screaming at each other night one. It's amazing. But I mean, this woman, yeah, first of all, love the setting being New Orleans. Season four was set in L.A. So New Orleans, a lot of fun to switch. Yeah, it's obviously just going to be insane. Ooh, yes. Oh, you can just drink wherever you're walking to. And this lady is already a bitch. And then she gets black. out at both nights they've gone out. We're on night two.

She has just gotten completely blackout and just been a maniac. And they're woken up the next day and been like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm going to cut to her in the confessional. She's like, I don't give a fuck. I'm not sorry. Oh my God. This is great. I love her.

It's so good. I mean, you might have trauma flashbacks while watching it. But be like, oh, God, just remembering things that like my brain has kept me from remembering and just there's a reason why I don't remember any of it. It will save us. Like it will save us. You know what you mean? I remember back in the day when I was told that I should apply to be on bad girls club. So, you know. Dude, you would have been fucking crazy on that show. Can you imagine? I would come out the gate.

I would have been fucking nuts, dude. It would have been amazing. Honestly, you would have been great. I mean, like, my whole career would have been over, but I would have been great. I would have gone out in flames. These bitches get a some for, I mean, they still have, you know, some kind of, you know, we always find them on Instagram and stuff and check in on them for the standout ones. And they all kind of turn it into a lifelong career of sorts. Good room. Judy thrilled with the election results, by the way. We looked her up. She is thrilled.

It might be on belief at the election results. That makes me want to watch her do anything. Well, I mean, you watch her. She's evil. I mean, it helps. Yeah, so then it's fun. She's the clear villain. And I love a show like that because it's a boring season when there's not a clear villain

as I fell with all of the like rock of love seasons, right? Like you needed an order. I'm really like getting in now to the nitty gritty of all this stuff. And you know, it's crazy. The boys just did a fucking whole episode about the guy that, the murderer guy that was on, I love money and Megan wants to be a millionaire. That's like my world right now. I need to tell them.

So the season of I love money does not exist. It's this guy that killed somebody or some people that was on reality shows. And like, like, you say it so flippantly. Yeah, he's like, but the reality shows. But the show. But Megan wants to be a, Megan wants a millionaire is she's one of the really good villains from like the Rock of Love franchise. Gotcha.

And Sharon Osborne fucks her up in the charm school reunion. Like, fucks her up because she was drunk. was and talked shit about Ozzy. Whoa. To her face. Said something about like how she has to like clean his dick or something like that. Something like just, and then she's like. No, she pays someone to do that.

Dude, you got to watch this. She stands up. She's like, okay. And she's like, you know, I just want to say something to you. And then they cut away so you don't even see it. She like fucks her. Whoa. And then they like, oh yeah.

And they like take her to an ambulance. Like she sued. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. Oh yeah, it's nuts. Like you don't, but you don't fuck. I thought you meant verbally and that's why I was like, oh, hell yeah. But like, like, no, that's scary.

Like, she's like crying. Like, they're like taking her the ambulance. Damn. She like fucks her up. It's crazy. But you know what? Talk shit. Get hit, you know.

No. No. Talk shit, kid bit. See, this is the problem with you watching these shows. This is what you're learning from these shows. Yeah, I need to drink more. I need to get into. more fights.

Yes. Yes. You should be hitting more. As a father at 42. Yeah. This is the time to shine. I- But anyway, shout-outs.

Watched a reality episode, which is the op. Well, I guess it's the opposite of what you're talking about. I will say it is just as insane. And that is, because I really buried the lead here, guys. Curious case of dot, dot, dot. Y'all, that first episode. I was going to, damn. I was going to watch it last night.

Sorry you didn't fucking watch it. I ended up watching something else I can't wait to talk to you about in a little bit. I watched the Dear Evan Hansen breakdown. Oh, yeah, we were definitely going to talk about it. Oh, my God, how perfect is it? But yes, okay. The Bamark era thing, I've been following in real time, in real life, like, kind of on and off, right? Because he just kind of put it all out there.

It would be out on his Instagram. But it was one of those things where you'd start looking into it. And you're like, this is just getting too sad. You know, so please, give me the rundown here. This episode, now I'm curious, I guess every episode is a standalone thing. So I'm fairly curious if they're going to re-up on it because it was, I dare say, it was about BAM, like 10% of the episode was about BAM. Oh. The rest was about, it was mostly about the person that was put in place as his guardian.

this story is nuts. Oh, I can't wait. I thought it was going to be much more. It is one of those. No, it is actually much more one of those things where it is only an hour. And Jeff came upstairs. He was working downstairs in his workshop.

And he comes upstairs and it had been 25 minutes. And I was like, and then this, and then this, and then this person comes out. And then, and then her sisters. And then they, and then they. And he's like, wait, all of this happened in the first 25 minutes. was like, oh yeah, bitch. It is nuts.

This story is crazy. But here's the thing is I kind of want to also still hear more about BAM. Yeah, it's like that could be its own Netflix series. I will wait for you to watch this because we will definitely be talking about this at length next week. I might watch it on my lunch break. Like, yeah. It is so good. Episode two did drop, by the way.

Amazing. So I guess it comes out on Mondays. It must come out of Monday. It wasn't out last night because I watched it last night. Not about BAM. It's called The Girl Who Died Twice. Mary vanishes and investigators fear her stepdad me. I've killed the 13-year-old years later a woman.

Dot, dot, dot. And then I tried to click on it and just took me to the show. So Max, maybe give me a way to read the entire description. That would be cool. They came out with such a banger with that first episode. Yeah, well, that's how to do it. Let's see if the second episode is as good because I tell you what, It was an hour-long episode of just yummy, yummy, yummy, yummy.

I can't. I love. You know I love docs like that. I know you love docs like that. And if you love docs like that at home, get on it. It is an hour of pure yummy. And I'm saying yummy. It's still very upsetting.

Oh, it's very much like a, and then, oh, oh, oh, no. Oh, God. But are there bad girls in it? There are bad girls in it. And I'm saying this as if you're going to be smiling at the end of this. you're not. You're going to be frowning. Not at all.

But I'm saying it excitedly because I didn't realize it was good. In fact, I was told someone wrote in and I want to look up who one person wrote in when we were talking about the, um, this. We were talking about the, Natalia Grace. And I thought that MJ was talking about the curious case of dot, dot, dot, dot. I thought we were talking about this show, but we weren't talking about this show. It was do, do, do, do. Oh, I don't know what your name is. N. I'm just going to say N because I don't want to say your last name.

N, thank you so much for writing in. They basically said it's basically chimp crazy, but for chronically online people is what that first episode is. Nice, nice. So thank you so much for letting us know that we needed to check it out. All right. Let's talk about it. I have a little bit of it left, so forgive me if I missed like the biggest best part of this extremely comprehensive breakdown of dear Evan Hansen, but I'm an hour in, so I only have a little bit left of it.

I, okay, here's my perspective. I never saw the musical, but always had really wanted to. I figured I would before lockdown happened. I figured I would see it. Yeah. You know, because I was like, you know, I was kind of already making plans to see it because I was just like, I know this. Everyone was talking about it.

They love it. And then Broadway went dark and I moved and it never happened, right? And then the movie comes out. I'm like, oh, cool. maybe I'll watch the movie, but then, you know, I heard it was very bad. Now I really want to see it a lot more than I even did before, actually. Maybe this is our new, it could even be a new cat's for us in a way. I guess it could be.

It might be a little too dark. We need, yeah, it has to be, you know, ridiculous, more ridiculous and not revolving around a suicide. Because this, because I will, yeah, we can't really publicly laugh at the fact that it is about suicide. Yeah, that's not the part I'm laughing about. I know, but the way, I'm just saying, I'm saying that we can't watch it over and over again. Right.

Yeah. Like we can't do that. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. We probably can't do that. But we can certainly watch that needlessly thorough roast of dear Evan Hanson and laugh. My stomach hurt. I laughed so hard thinking about, because I also didn't see the movie, didn't watch the musical.

And I was like, I mean, I love Jenny Nicholson. So let me just see what she's got to say. and man, she doesn't disappoint. By the way, you don't need to have seen the musical. You don't need to have seen the movie. It really, she lays it all out for you, and it's, in fact, it would probably be better to not see those things because of what this purports.

And I'd already heard the musical was bad, so it was not just Jenny Nicholson's opinion, right? And specifically for the very lead reason being that the guy is clearly way too old to be playing a kid in high school. That was always like the, big. It was like, I can't believe the original guy who was already kind of

too old looking, at least to what she says when the footage makes it feel like that. Especially, but when you're on the stage, you're far away, you're far away, but on camera. Oh my God, and the way he would stage act, but on the camera

was so like, bro, you need to do less. And I'm saying as someone that, like, I am canonically a person that goes into an audition and am told to pull back, which is technically great. But for this kind of situation, it is insane that he did not change his performance whatsoever from the stage.

Yeah, is what it seems. And it seems, yeah, it seems like this really self-indulgent choice, you know, like really obviously so, right? And that's definitely crazy. And then just the musical, though, like, this is the thing. I, like, had no idea. of what this musical was about. And first of all, just there's so many plot points.

And I'm like, how does the musical itself work? Because she's like, talks about all the stuff that was changed and also largely cut out from the movie that I'm like, it just seems like it's like plot point the musical. Like I don't know. There's just so many things going on, you know, and I always wanted to see because I really like the concept of like they're like normal people in a space like, Like, it's not cats dancing and singing. It's not some crazy period piece or something like that.

It's like, you know, kind of like the last five years, right? Which also was not a good adaptation. I love that kind of concept. I mean, but the musical was, oh. Yeah, that's the thing. I need to watch the musical in the theater now because, you know, the movie just didn't really sell it. Maybe that's a problem with this type of thing.

But then I point to something like once, which also feels like that. It's like kind of modern day and just like two people like, you know, But didn't you see that on Broadway and like what they did with it where it's like all of... And I didn't get to see Sing Street either. And I just want to see it so bad. It's because it was so different from the movie, but in a good way. Yeah. Where like all of the side characters would all like pull out the instruments and start playing the instruments.

So it was like everyone on stage was involved with all of the music. It was such a cool thing to see because again, a movie should be very different than a stage. musical and if it's not there's got to be a reason for it there's like there's also a reason remember like the movie closer that like everyone had done monologues from the

play closer and then they turned that play into a movie and I had seen the play on Broadway and it literally looked like they picked up the stage and just filmed it instead and it reads as a play movie

rather than just a movie You know when something like screams like, this is a play. This you're just watching a play. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think that's the problem. I think maybe it's easier to take this from an intimate filmic experience and adapt it to a big stage play by making like big choices in that stage play way. Whereas going the opposite way seems to be a lot trickier, interestingly enough.

Yes. You know? Oh yeah. And dear evidence, it is so. my God, it's so funny. It's not, I mean, it shouldn't be. Well, the whole thing is confusing to me because... They change, like, the ending, essentially.

So, okay, so this is really a musical about a guy who's, like, pretending he had a relationship with someone who killed themselves. Yes. For, like, clout. And then gets brought in by the person who died by suicide, like, their family. He, like, becomes a son to them. Yeah. I just, this is insane.

To like fuck his sister? How does this sell itself? I just, I'm so confused at how this character just seems so detestable. Well, in the musical, so I think that that's what you miss in the end of it. In the musical, he is shown as the bad guy. Right. He is the bad guy. But apparently in the movie, he's not really.

Yeah. And that, it's more like it's all like the way they change it. It makes it all like, oh, that's okay. And that's real weird because it's not okay what he's doing. I just thought this was like more simply about a family experiencing loss from, you know, a suicide, right? And like a friendship. I don't know. That's just my assumption about it.

There was this really touching, tear-jurking thing. Like ordinary people. Yeah. Yes. Like ordinary people, which is one of my favorite movies of all time. I love the movie. Ordinary people. Yes.

Yeah, exactly. I thought it was like ordinary people as a perfect example. And instead it's like this, it's like hand that rocks the cradle or some shit. It's like this evil man. It comes like it's brought into this family. It just is like, and lies to them and teach them from the inside out.

But then it's like, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, just all of it. And like the gay joke thing. And I'm just like, that's really weird. So confused now to people. Have people looked back of the. musical now.

I've been like, actually, maybe it wasn't as good as we propped it up to me. Maybe, man. It seems like, or we were trying so hard to be talking about mental illness that it's like, at least they are talking about mental illness, but it's like, but not appropriately and not in the right way. But, you know. Yeah. And these guys did La La La Land and the Greatest Showman as well, I guess.

The people who did like the music. So interesting. I like La La Land. Greatest Showman just couldn't get into how exuberant, how excited they were about, you know, life from the very, I just was, I didn't check out Greatest Showman. Lexer's like, my sister, he said, I was like, all right, cool, let's watch it. And knowing full well, generally what it was. And she, and we put it on, she was like, oh, it's a musical.

And I was like, yeah, it's a fucking musical. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, I'm all good. Honestly, I don't want to, like, I feel bad likening this to Dear Evan Hansen because it's not. But I did see a movie this week that I was really, really excited to see that I was kind of let down by. Okay. And that was, um, a real pain. Oh yeah. Which was, it is the Jesse Eisenberg Kieran Culkin. Now here's the thing. I was let I, everyone, I knew a lot of people that were like,

oh, definitely go see it. And then I saw Kieran Culkin won the Golden Globe for it. And I was like, oh, fuck yeah. Ready for this. Ready for this to rock me. I love a quiet, like, movie. It's like, It's about cousins going back after their grandmother dies. They go back to Poland. And it's like, you know, it's about the camps and everything. And it's a lot to it. Jesse Eisenberg kills this movie. And Kieran Kalkin is very good.

But he's not, I feel like it's like he just won for succession a bunch. And he rocked it in succession. And he rocks this movie too. But like, it's not, he's just being Kieran Kalkin at this point. Like he's just like kind of the same character. he does a good job with it. Do not get me wrong. He does, I thought it was a good movie, but afterwards I was like, oh,

Jesse Eisenberg, I feel like deserves more accolades, surprisingly. I'm not over here. I'm not like an Eisenstan, like I'm not usually. And I was just really surprised by his beautiful performance, because they were beautiful. Everyone gave an amazing performance. It is a beautiful movie. I guess I was just surprised that I guess I was expecting so much more from Kieran Culkin since he won the Golden Globe.

And it has such crazy reviews. Now, I don't know, I didn't look into this movie, so I'm not sure, like, maybe it was done in a specific way that's like really rocking everybody. But as far as I know, I don't know if that is the case. But everyone's really good in it. And I'm glad that it is on Hulu now. So it's like, just watch it on a Sunday afternoon. It's a good movie. But it's not one I think that you need to like be like, like, when will I be watching it the way I feel about Curious Case of?

Oh, God. Forget the desk. Curious Case of. Curious Case of. No. Did you not hear my ellipses? Yes. I included the ellipses in it.

Curious of. Well, in another curious case, I don't have a ton more to talk about, but I did dive back into the, did we talk about the Kings of Tupelo, a Southern crime saga? I think yes. Did we? Oh, okay. You started talking to me about it. Yeah, yeah.

It's, okay, I kept watching. I guess what was interesting about as it keeps going is he, like, ruined his whole life because of conspiracy theories, which, first of all, by the way, you know, I think about addictions a lot. And I always think like, you know, I feel like some addictions are better than others. You know, drugs, they get you high. You know what I mean? You feel good. Being addicted to conspiracy theories online has got to be one of the saddest, like, to ruin your life over obsessing over conspiracy theories and like not getting enough sunlight and like being with your family enough and like always like being that becoming that guy that no one wants to be around.

he has to talk about is like 9-11 and drones and whatever else it might be, right? Is, first of all, just first thought about Kings of Tuplo, very sad, very, very just depressing in concept. Now, the crazier part is when you're that guy, and then you actually do start getting followed around by the police, and you do, and all of your paranoia, that has got to just be, that has got to be fucking crazy. Like, that is, How do you even, I mean, how does anybody recover from that family of or the guy? Right? It just is so crazy.

So like, that's the other side of things. I think that's where we're at right now is like there's so much fuckery happening in the world right now and so much dumb conspiracy theory bullshit at the same time. And the line is just non-existent anymore in terms of what's real and what's not in general. we're just entering such an interesting time in human consciousness. And I'm not here for it. But we're going to see how it goes. But yeah, I don't even know. I mean, I don't even know.

I think like reality is actually starting to become breached by AI and internet disinformation, like in a real way, in a conscious way, which is really wild. Yeah, it's why all of social media has been scaring me. But it's why I've been getting my stuff. comfortable amongst online video essays instead because Lord knows they can't have AI there. That's not true. Well, hopefully they don't come for YouTube. You know, I mean, that's the thing.

So Twitter's done. Yeah. TikTok's done. Even when they bring it back, it's done. Oh, it's already brought back. Oh, it's already. Oh, okay. It's totally back already.

It's compromised. I mean, oh, it's certainly compromised. It's a hundred percent compromised. You know what I've been watching? though, that I will say it's been putting a weird smile on my face. It is called Great Art Explained. And they go through huge art pieces and explain what they, it's essentially little, like, hour long art history lessons.

And I've been losing myself in that because in my brain, I'm like, go ahead, try and put your Nazi salutes all over that, you fox. Well, I guess, you know, sometimes there is. But then there's a reason for it. And then we talk about it. And I was watching one about the Garden of Ir. earthly delights. And if there is a way for you to stop thinking about a current reality, it's for you to start thinking about Hieronymus Bosch. And man, the kind of shit that he was

seeing in his fucking brain, man, because that shit was weird. Yeah, maybe that's where we're at. With David Lynch, too, it's like maybe we just get, maybe we just turn our reality towards the, the surreal art. Yeah, yeah. And just like, we actually just go that. Slurp it up instead. Let's get real weird. I mean, honestly, it's like, at this point, isn't it kind of what we're trying to do with Funhouse? Let's get weird. Let's get like, whoa, this is the time to do it. Yeah, 100%. Because we need to hide from our current reality. That's what's so crazy to do with this Jerry Springer talk is that it was like, no, no, it was like largely real. You're like, what? I thought that was all bullshit. Nah, man. God help us all. God help us. Or at least not according to them. So,

True. Do you have anything else that you saw experienced on our way out here? I think I'm tapped personally. I think that's everything. I rewatched Starry Eyes, which I forgot that Starry Eyes is a really good L.A. movie. Starry Eyes is essentially, it's just one of those, another little, like, bite movies where it's just a good little movie about a young actress in Los Angeles who, essentially gives herself for the greatest role gives her soul. And it is, it's just a good little, I mean, I really enjoy it and it's kind of gross and

really makes you realize like, why do any of us do any of these things? And what would you give to get the role holding? What would you give to get the role? What would you give? Okay, see, there you go. That's, wow, fast. She took a little bit longer, but, you know, man, that you just lop them right off. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Love my Winnie Girl. Love my Winnie Girl. Well, that's why, and that's what brings me to my next thing. Blues Clues Season 5, I think, is a definite upturn. Wow, that's it, huh? It's definitely a stronger one. Yeah, it's all, we're still in cars and Blues Clues. And he, a Blue Dog.

Really, really, really. really goes, really hits the, hits the spot, apparently, bluey, blues clues, and of course,

the entire Cars franchise. Nothing blue there, though. No, except for my... Only the skies. No, the blue skies.

It's nice. Yeah, okay. I think that's it. Yeah. Anything we should watch the... Hey, well, yeah, I'm definitely gonna watch this Bamar Jarrett thing.

So is there anything else that's on your, like, to-do list for watching? I think that'd be good for us. to say. So me and other people and you, we can all, like, try to rally around. I'm definitely going going to get caught up on Curious Case for next week. So we'll talk about episode two as well. Any other good shows? I do want to keep watching No Good Deed. You know, it's very funny. I made a steak

dinner for Lexi last week. And usually we watched something. There was one of those nights where we were like, let's just talk. And then we were like, I want to watch something. We were going to watch that No Good Deed show some more, the one about the people in the house. Yeah. Great cast. Lisa Hoosro, Dark Comedy, and we were just like, I just don't have the bandwidth, like, at all for anything right now. We ended up putting on this, like, Tetris Grandmaster's showcase that was on Awesome Games Done Quick instead. And we just watched that and we're like, whoa, they're so good at it.

Oh, yeah. I mean, the online video essays, like, completely under it. And you just, like, learn little bite-sized things. And they're like, wow, that's crazy. Yeah. I, like, learn where P.B. and Js come from. and like now I've got that information and it's it lives within you.

I guess it's kind of a dry time for new stuff because the squid game thing wasn't like the Light the World on Fire thing that it should have been. I heard that Skeleton Crew really sticks the landing. God, it sticks the landing. Highly, highly recommend watching Skeleton Crew. They did such a good job. I'm actually sad that they stuck the landing so well

that everything kind of got wrapped up because I'm like, oh, this was just a one and done. wasn't it? Good. It's really good. It's very, very good. But that's so much better than what they keep doing recently, which is just going like, holy shit, they set up for one hell of a season two, and then we've talked about the issues that happen with streamers and stuff, and all of a sudden season two is like, oh, this isn't really the show it was. I'd rather you wrap it up. Please wrap it up. I am going to start watching Severance. I know that you had

your scream about Severance, but I'm going to start watching it, but I also haven't been in a had place to watch anything serious. I'm trying to like, I've been, I, I, I just keep slinking back to those bitches. And I'm just like, bitches take me in. Bishes take me. Bishes make me feel good. Yeah, yeah. I agree. I'm, I'm right there with you. But skeleton crew is like kind of a wrong. It's so, skeleton crew is, it was a delight to swallow. That sounds scary because there's children in it. I'm glad it's getting it too, because I was, I was seeing a lot out there being like, oh, it's not really getting the viewership. People are kind of pissed. They're like, I saw a Reddit post being like, hey, it's you guys that are fucking up

Star Wars projects. If you're not going to watch something like Skelet's and crew. Go watch this. It's actually good. This is actually good and you're not watching it just because it doesn't have like Darth Vader, you know what I mean? Or whatever it is. But it's got great characters in it.

Yeah, but this is an actual good thing to support and watch to try to get more good things. But it's fun. Yeah, yeah. Not like me. Yeah, not like Holden. All right, let's get out of here on that note. Thanks so much, everybody, for joining us for Talking TV. We'll be back next week.

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