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00:10with MJ Holden and JackieTalking TVAnd you know it's gonna get wackyBecause everybody knowsAnd everybody knowsAnd everybody knows we're watching showsWe're talking TVWith MJ Holden and Jackie
00:27Spooky spooky spooky spooky spookySeasonAre they going to dieBefore they find love?And yeah you thought maybe she was justtalking about her 31 for 31But no, I was also talking about the Golden Bachelorette.Oh, my God.
00:44That's the spookiest of all.It is the spookiest of them all.The amount that I cry while watching this show and how I just keep watching and how obsessedI am with Joan.He was only 59.I know.I was over here thinking these are a bunch of old people I don't have to relate to.No.
01:04And it's like, 59.That's so young.So young.God, that is really the biggest monster of all is the loneliness that awaits us.It's love.I can't believe I'm caught up on the show.I can't believe just how relentlessly depressing is.Remember the one guy who's just like, I just don't want to get kicked off the show because
01:27I live alone.And it's just been nice to have all these guys hanging out.And I'm just like, what the fuck is happening here?The episode I started, it was like episode four or whatever.it just opens, cold opens with no music or anything,on a man just weeping quietly into Jones arms.I'm like, are you fucking kidding me with this shit?Wait, was that when Chaw?
01:51I'm sorry, spoiler.Is that when Chalk's mom died?Yes, when his fucking mom died.Which I'm also just like, don't we have enough death going on with the spouses?We also have to have, how are their parents alive?Someone kill all their parents' pleas.Honestly, God forbid.That is, oh, I mean, what a wonderful gift to have you, mother for that.
02:07It's like, come on.You're considered old.But this is the thing.They're not that old.They're not as old as I want them to be.I want people who are this lonely.She was a great woman.You say they're not as old as you want them to be,
02:23but I will say the sound of,and this is coming from someone that watches a lot of,I was thinking the crinkling of their bones,as well as it gives me like a very mucha merry-berry kind of feel of like the scrummingwith the mouth,because the mouth sounds of them kissing is different.Sandpaper, yeah.
02:42It's a drier.Yeah, everything is drier.Everything's dry.But also, man, in this last episode, watching Joan like make out with these dudes, I'm like,hell yeah.Hell yeah, bitch.Go to town.But she's still grieving.
02:57And it's difficult for Joan.Okay?She is, like, racked with grief.I just feel like she's too midst of grieving to be a consistent.on The Bachelorette.But she knows that this is what John would have wanted, MJ,to go on the Golden Bachelorette.He was 59.
03:16I just, I'm, I actually, I stopped and I came backbecause Holden was texting us on like a Saturday nightabout how he was watching.You came back.You came back.As I stopped too, but then you wrote the thing,and I was like, you know, I had like just a nightof pure video game playing,
03:33just, you know, which is getting more and more rare.And, you know, I just happens that Golden Bachelorette, not a bad screen too.Certainly not.I don't know why because it's so awful and upsetting and depressing.Let them into your arms.It is not.Oh, my God.Get me out of that light, but I just keep watching.
03:52Okay.You're going to really look me in my eye and say that your feelings about chalk haven't changed.Yeah, I feel bad.I feel bad for everybody.I feel bad.They're just sad, dying old men.Chach's no.The men, the men are, I like the men.
04:11I've been thinking a lot about masculinity and, I know we're not talking about the election,but I've been thinking a lot about old masculinity, young masculinity, middle age masculinity.And I think that these men actually, it's a, there's some hope when you get to know these men.They are good men and I'm happy for them, but they are sad.Okay, but can I say my opinions, I was had to go make sure it was the same guy.My opinions of chalk have changed, but not for the better.I do not like how territorial he is with her.I do not like how, like, the way he is, like, he doesn't let the other guys fucking get any time in with her.
04:44And I don't like it.How do you get the girl?You show her that he chooses you.And this is the thing.I'm not saying this for all women being seduced by a man.I'm saying this particularly.Joan says she wants to be haunted.She wants someone to go after her and to choose her.
05:08Sure.The biggest fear is somebody who won't choose her.And to have an open heart.And I actually think that like, I understand what you're saying at first.I was very much like, there is a competitiveness.Yes, you are correct.But I also, in that last, in the hometowns of seeing chalk and all of his familyand seeing how Joan could fit into that life and what her life could be as someone
05:29that also loves family.Right.And I think that it could work.Just every, by the way, can we just say every man talks like this?They don't all talk like that.And by the way, are they all true?This is the thing where I'm like, how bullshit is this show and all these shows?They can't all be this, this in love with this woman.
05:48There's no way they're all this in love with this one.They all seem to be just completely.I don't know.They might be.They have no one.That one guy, the professor guy or whatever, they finally.got kicked off.Like just the way,
06:04he's just so,he's like,she framed a picture of us,Joan.Oh,I liked him.I liked him.I am like that.
06:16When I get older,I just want to go.I just want to put me in the,I've never been more scaredall month than watchingthe Golden Bachelorette.I'm like,if this is the future,
06:25if all I do is just,it's all scary,but this is scary.Yeah,the idea.the time keeps on ticking, ticking, ticking into the future.MJ, you've got to think about it.Or else you're going to close your eyes
06:39and then you're going to be crying,looking at hummingbirds, all right?My daughters who never even talk to mebecause they have their own lives now are all.They're not saying that.All of their kids are a part of their lives,and it's wonderful.All of their kids are a part of their life,
06:53but all the kids are like, please choose my dad.Please choose my dad.He's so lonely.Honging out with dad for lunch again todaymade me cry three times.against my will.Can someone sucks this guy's dick so I can stop fucking have to deal with it?I need you both to start preparing now because if anything happens to Jeff and we don't have
07:11children, I'm moving in with one of you.You will become.Because I will be a shattered person.I allowed love in my heart.Yeah.I'll hire you to be my nona.You'll be my living nona.It'll be great.
07:24Yeah, I'll make the food as long as I can have a room and board.And also, you will have to deal with essentially the shell.of a human being of mejust walking through the housegoing, oh, Jeff.Yeah, I think the house is haunted.No, it's just this Jackie.It's just Jackie.
07:41It's just Jackie being upset.As she usually does,wandering the holes, the many halls.I'm just saying that it really wasn'tuntil Chalk stepped upthat I didn't know that I was into Chalk.And I'm not into Chalk.I don't want to kiss Chalk.
07:56I just think that maybe he could bewhat Joan is looking for.And I think,that that's right. I think that's the best match.I think so too. Pascal is nice. That littleFrench horn dog. I like him. Pascal is nice. And I like his, I like his kids and I like hisfamily dynamics. Except what was with Joan telling his grandson, Joan was like chatting with thislike eight-year-old boy. I'm like, this is not normal. And she's like, I have a grandson. My grandson
08:24told me that to kiss any boys. And the little boy is like, did he kiss my grandpa? She's like, yes.I'm like, stop this conversation, please.Nobody wants to talk about this.Nobody wants to talk about it.But Joan's just being Joan.And, you know, she's just got to, she's grieving.MJ, and I think that you're not giving her the benefit of the doubt because she's grieving right now?You know, I want her to grieve.
08:45I want her to grieve.I just, oh, the idea of being like, she's like, my biggest fear is that they won't choose me.And I just want to make it to 60 and like not care what any men think about me.You know, but I also don't want to be alone.And I want to be, I want to be Thursday after.This is the thing, you know.It's an existential crisis every time I turn on this show.I fear the future.
09:10I fear from, I fear everything.Live in fear, yeah.Fearful.Yeah.So fearful.Again, compassionate.Who needs a 31 for 31 when you've got the golden bachelorette to watch because it isthe most.
09:22This is what I'm saying.I have cried.I will say I cried a bunch during the Orville Pact concert last night, which I did realizewe didn't bring up on the main show, M.J.because MJ also went to go see Orville Peck.Yeah, we're Orville Peck siblings now.We're Peck siblings now.And uh-oh.
09:36Uh-oh.We're Peck siblings.Uh-oh.Uh-oh.You better watch that in.Did you look at you?Lips are going to get you.I can we call it something else?
09:51Peck siblings.Uh-oh.Why do they kiss when the siblings?And it is difficult for us.But I did want to throw it.out there. It was the end of the Stampede tour, so you guys can't go see Orville Peck right now.But I did want to, when we brought up in the main show talking about Chapel Roan and talkingabout the idea of advocating for yourself and stuff like that, I will say Orville Peck did say
10:16during it, like, thank you to everybody for waiting for me when I had to take a year off oftour because my mental health was in the worst place it has ever been. And I am now in, like,talking about his sobriety, talking about where he is now, and just like, thanking everyone for sticking by him.And I burst in it.Oh.I love him.I love him so much.He's so cute and hot.
10:42I don't know how he can be both.I saw Noah Cyrus, which was awesome.And that was really fucking cool because they've got a duet together.And I was surprised that they did.I mean, again, it makes sense because the newer album is like duets and stuff that theyThey didn't do as much off of the new albums, but I just love oral peccas.I just love this fucking music so much, so I lost my mind.But I did cry multiple times.
11:09Good.I love that.But you know, Golden Bachelorette, it keeps me primed to cry at the drop of a hat.Now, what else are you guys getting into before I go, you know, I could talk forever about,because I'm going to say it, we are killing this 31 for 31.And maybe it's because Jeff was, you know, couch-ridden with COVID for about five or six days.But we did get a lot of good movies.What if before we get into movies, we do Love is Blind?
11:40Please, yes.Well, your Love is Blind.I'm behind on Love is Blind, but please, you know, I know that I speak the speak.I know the language of it.So feel free to go off.Can we spoil you?Yeah, you're totally.It's really a show where it's so, I could give two shits about the sports.
11:57It's more about being, you know, it's about living in the moment when it comes to that show and just gawking it how idiotic these people are.Man, but that Marissa Ramsey's breakup was rough.That was a real upset.Like that, I was like, get the camera off of her.Like, it made me upset.That I was like, back off of her for a second.Stop building her.This is obviously, like, genuinely happening in real time.
12:24And this woman needs a little bit of fucking space.So where are we at, by the way? Is it done?Well, there's the reunion.Except for the reunion.Okay.We have not, as, yeah, we are recording on a Tuesday.The reunion comes out on Wednesday.So by the time you're listening to this, oh no, this comes out on Wednesday, too.
12:39So anyway, we haven't seen the reunion yet, but we, we, Jackie and I, are you caught up?Jackie, you saw.Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.Man, I really stand by my statement that this is one of the worst seasons of love to line ever.In terms of who at Lewis left, so few people left standing.I don't give a shit about any of these marriages.is one of them seems pretty doom,based on what we know about the secret children.
13:00I would be real real with you.I was just kind of fast forwarding different parts.Like, okay, okay, okay, okay.I'm like, I just, now I'm ready for the reunion.Now I'm just like, just give me the reunion.In every conflict, there's at least one bitch.A huge bitch, a silly bitch.A little baby bitch, a raggedy bitch.
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14:13And tune in to our live stream kickoff on September 30th on the last podcast networkTwitch channel where we'll be taking your calls live on air.Help us help you figure out.the bitch.Yeah, now I need the reunion.I need the reunion.And Ramsey's, man, I had a roller coaster with him because at first I was like a man who'slike speaking in the pods about his like ambivalence with masculinity and how he wants to
14:44embrace like other sides of himself.Yes, please.And then they had that like I think actually pretty interesting and I think prettyrespectful, like productive conversation about her time in the military.Right.He was like, I'm Venezuelan and I like can't, like, that has shaped my experience with, like, U.S.like, colonialism.And I was like, okay.
15:03That should have kind of been a, I understand, but maybe it should have been a full stop.It's a pretty big irreconcilable difference.If she's like, I, if he's like, I think that the U.S. military represents something that I cannot stand.And she's like, I'm proud of my time in the military.Like, like, I'm proud.And her friends and like every.And her friends were all in the, like, yeah.And I really like Marissa a lot.
15:29And it was like, I actually, I like that conversation just because I had actuallynever seen a conversation like that on a reality show where they both were reallyrespectful to each other.And he was like representing like a pretty like a point of view that is, again, just notoften like on love is blind.And I was like, this is interesting.But then it turns out he's a dirty dog, you know, and he had the whole thing withthe condoms.
15:50And then he just was just broke up with her like a chicken shit.He just was a,That was just a chicken shit breakup.He just wasn't into, was he just not into it at the end of the day?Yeah, but he couldn't even say that.He's scared.It was like that breakup was too, I agree with you, Jackie.It was like being inside the room watching a breakup happen.
16:07And like, you remember, like, I'm sure we've all been there where you're just like,you just don't want to say like it's over.Right.He's just saying everything else, you know?I was triggered because I remember having this conversation with my ex when I'm like,do you not have the balls to break up?But are you like, you don't want to break up?but you just want to be like,
16:26I don't know, I don't know about you,I don't know, it's not you, it's me at one point.In that shit, I'm just like,just say it's over.You want it over?Just say it's over.Oh, it is, yeah, I had multiple flashbacksduring that breakup because it was just like,
16:40he was being such a fucking chicken shitand he couldn't just say, you know what,I just can't do it.He's like, I just worry that like loves not enough,but I love you so much.Fuck off, Ramses, fuck off.This is what's so annoying with the show, right?is yes, they make a connection in the pods,
16:56but just like dating in real life,it doesn't, it's until you have that kiss,until you are looking at each other,like you figure out so much just from a kiss.Like, I have connected so hard with someoneand then kiss them once and like,this ain't it. You know what I mean?And so the problem is,
17:13is so either you just luck the fuck outand end up with someone who,outside of the pod you're attracted toand have chemistry with physically.And, you know, that kiss happens and it's great,you know, and you both feel that way,because God knows how many times we've seen it be one person feeling that way and the other personnot.
17:27And often, you know, that's probably what happened with this guy.The door opened.He saw the lady.He was maybe out even just at that point.Or it took a second for them to look each other eyes and kiss each other or like snuggle in bed once.I mean, that's the other thing I've done before.I've had no sex, but just kind of cuddled in bed with someone and been like, I can justfucking tell.
17:48This ain't happening.Yeah, it's just out there.I feel like I could, yeah, I, I,totally agree with you. And I think that that was what was happening with Ramsus and Marissa.I feel like they were both really smart, interesting people and they really wanted it to work.And I feel like they're both like, you know, compatible. Like they were like, it was one of thoseones like what everyone on this show always says, which is like, we just make sense together.But there was just, I just don't think that there was a sparkle. Though I think she really liked him.
18:15And he like, he, he talked all this talk about being like a thoughtful man, you know, like,especially because he talked so reflectively about his relationship and masculinity. Right.His communication, you know, as well that like, but then you just can't, you just shut off.Yeah, yeah.That's what always blows my mind when, like, I see this happen in these shows, like,Marriott for Sight and Love is Blind where they, like, the guy or the girl, like, warms up magically to the person over time that they're, like, not into them for the first, like, like, the whole honeymoon or whatever.Then all of a sudden, like, it's the reunion.And they're like, no, I like, they found it over time.
18:53I'm like, that is insane to me.I have always felt it or not felt it.I've never, when they're like, you have to like,period.For it.I'm like, actually, at my experience, you don't really have to like work to like someone.You have to work to make the relationship work.Right.
19:08In fact, the work comes later.The work comes later.The work comes, that's the advice my mom gave me.I think it's the only time my mom gave me like advice about relationship stuff that that rarely,I don't even know if she really gave me any.other advice of a B that was actually good and that I remembered and retained and her whole thingI went through that dramatic relationship that awful gal coming out of college and you know it was sodramatic and it was so exhausting and just draining and terrible and I remember she just said you know
19:41after it was over she was like Holden it should just be easy at first yeah the first like sixmonths year what it should at first it should just be easy that is really you knowgood advice. That is what I want to scream to these people because they meet each other.They've been together for four days and they're like, well, we cry every day, but like a relationshipis hard. It's like, no, it's not supposed to be hard. It's not. It's not hard now. It's hard when youlike get married and like, you know, yada, yada. And even then it shouldn't be like hard,you know, because then you got to really look at it stuff. It shouldn't be like you're sadevery day. Yeah, you're working to make it easier. You know what I mean? Because like even in my
20:17own marriage, when things got hard to be like, with couples there to be like worked the shit out sowouldn't be hard anymore, you know what I mean?Not that it's just our, all of all problems are solved,but, you know, we put the work,you gotta put work in and make things not hard.Yeah.Yeah.You know what I mean?
20:33So it's like, yeah, it's that.And, you know, and this just goes for anything.Like, how many friends did you see get together in like a dramatic way?Like, like, they came out of,they just came out of a relationship with other mutual friends and got together with a differentmutual friend.And then it was like, you know, and it never worked out.Like, I don't know if I ever.
20:52saw, they're close to, and they happen in your 20s and they're insane and whatever.But they don't, I mean, I'm sure there's some.There's got to be, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.There's a lot of people in this world.There's a lot of people in this world.So it's not like impossible, but usually if it, I even started learning like, oh, if it startsin a dramatic kind of weird way, it tends to fall apart as well.Like, even if it's not the two of you, but like everything else about it is dramatic, you know,
21:21then it tends to shit the bad, right?So.Yeah.Yeah.And then the ones that we are ended, yeah, the ones that we end with like,uh, what's her name and, and.Tyler and.Tyler and.
21:34Oh,science.Gary.Oh, yeah.Yeah.Yeah.Like it's that with them, it's like you even just like somehow it just ended up.It was boring.
21:44So boring.It's like, oh, I like her, but maybe I'll have to move.Like, yeah, okay, whatever.I don't care.I know.That tends to be the end.And then section is usually like by this point, you're just like, now I'm just watching like boring people.This is.
21:58Build a foundation together.I am so intrigued though.But again, give me that reunion.I'm going to watch the hell out of the reunion.Because what were Stevens text?Oh, okay.There's so much more that we need to find out.Oh, yeah.
22:15There is spice to be had.So Steve, big, big redheaded guy who.Yeah.Bad for relationships, good on the drama this season, I will say.Yeah, yeah, good on the drama.He, yeah, every relationship except two flamed out.And again, one that was left standing has a huge controversy around it,which is the guy with the secret kids.
22:36Oh, they're still together.Oh, hilarious.They are.Bro, they marry each other.Oh, my God.And he, they have a conversation about the kids on the show, which is him being like,they were like test tube.She is the most patient.
22:49like she was just like I understandI understand where you were coming fromand I understand that it was a miss like it isI this womanI don't know she's going to get saintedor something I was just like I'd have a lotmore question I hope and andbut I have oh I feel I feel for her because
23:05they have a lot of chemistry and he does seem likea really good guyhe seems like such a good guy except for this oneseemingly a pathological lie that he is maintainedyeah the problem is I think he's like a pathologicalI think that's the way guys like that workbecause they seem amazing.Yeah.
23:21So you believe they're bullshit.And they're actually,if he's lying about that,that's the tip of the fucking iceberg, bro.Like, there's no fucking way.You don't,you don't just get to lyingabout having multiple kids
23:33and your relationship with them overnight.Like, that's, no.That's a pattern.And like, and like, she says,like, do they know what you look like?And he says, no.And there's pictures of them allmatching Christmas jammies.
23:46Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.That's a big lie.Like, matching Christmas jammies.You coordinated that shit.I mean, there's no way around that.You can't just be like, whoa, it was just like a one-time visit.
23:55Nay, nay, like you are fully involved in them kids' lives, and you're being weird about it.The trailer for the reunion has her being like, who do you think knows my relationship better?Me or the internet.So she seems pissed about the rumors.Oh.And boarding and stuff.And then, yeah, there's Stephen, who was the big red-headed jolly fellow, who seems to be so.Which too bad because, man, I was like, ooh, yes, okay.
24:22Really?Were you feeling, Stephen?Yeah.Well, I just like, because man, I, this is my problem and why I would never do a show like this.I am pathetic to a charmer.Right.Like, if someone's going to charm me in any way, I'm like, okay, you can break me in any way you wish.And that is a really big problem for me.
24:44Right.Well, he seemed to be really, he seemed to.Oh, he tricked us because he really seemed to be like,He's a trickster.I got, I hit, I won the jackpot here.Like I, I'm batting out of my league.I'm so happy to be with this beautiful woman.He seems to really be like, and then she was like, she was like a little crazy.
25:02She was like, why haven't you get me flowers every day?But like she, you know, they had some clashes, but I was like, all right, he seems likehe really likes her.She seems like he really likes him.And then there is just this explosive day where she's like, you're pervert.You're a pervert.You sicko.and like, like, screams at him about these texts
25:19that she found on his phone,and we get no more information.What were the texts?Apparently, they were sex.They were, sex.They were sex.Well, definitely they were sex.But, like, what flavor of pervert, you know?
25:32And it's definitely texts.My guess could also, I mean,that's easily an only fan situationbecause you're having DMs,even if it's with a person,a person, people working for a hot lady,you're having horny DMs back and forth.So.
25:45Maybe it was that.Because it was after a conversation where she was like,I don't want to fuck right now.And then like that night this happened.And then the next day, she's like, you dirty, dirty man.She calls it like a dirty.Yeah, that might be.That sounds like only fans to me.
25:59But just based on other, literally too, not my own experience,based on other realities.Yes.Wait, wasn't that always it was happening?Wasn't that what's happening with Ramses and,oh, God, what's your name to where she was like,there's going to be times when I'm not going to have.sex with you, how are you going to deal with that?
26:19Because he's just like,uh,because we,doesn't she have like PCOS?Like it was like, there was something like that.Then it was like,she's like,in pain.
26:28And he's just,oh, my dick.But what about my dick?Fuck off.Fuck off.I don't get that with guys.Yes, yes.This is where I'm happy to be sexually frozen.
26:41I do not get this thing where guys like are like,I need.That's not a sexual.Like my husband is not sexually frozen.But you're having a bad night.And so I can't make it come in you.Like I don't get that weird thing with like that's like addiction or something.It's just so weird to me.
26:58Like I would only want to have sex with a partner that wanted to have sex with me that night.Not one that I had to goad into it.That is so bizarre.You know.Yes.Yes.No, it's really weird.Yes.
27:10Marissa was like has like really intense periods and Ramses was like, ooh, me, you.And then, yeah, she's like, it's literally like some days out of the month.You can't handle that.Yeah.Well, then he had a fucking meltdown about how she wouldn't go on hormonal birth control.I, I just think.Red flag.Red flag.
27:31Red flag.Red flag.Right, right, right, right, right.Run.Run.Please tell me that Brittany and Leo will be at the reunion.I think so.They have to be.
27:38There's no way they're not going to be.They have to be.No.But you saw that.They have to be.I said you.Leo's mad online.I didn't actually.
27:45I didn't end up.actually having time to watch it because I was like hustling to get on your child in the morning.Yeah.Take care of the child.Well, honestly, I was literally just like staying in bed as long as I can because it's one of the two daysa week where I don't have to immediately get up and take care of winning.But so what happens?But this is good because I play the layman.
28:06What had the idiot who doesn't know anything?What happened?What does he say in this TikTok regale me please?Leo is mad that everyone on the internet thinks Leo.talks about his money too much.So he has a little...Yeah, because he does talk about his money.He has a little TikTok called
28:21three things I learned from the internet or whatever.And...Yeah, he's not cute.It didn't make me...It does not make me like him.I'm just like, get away.I'm so glad they didn't follow your story.I didn't want to hear you anymore.
28:34He's like, he has a little school backdrop.He's like, here's your lesson about what to do on reality TV.And he's like, things you can talk about.Things you can't talk about.Then he's like, you can't talk about money.Leo, we get it.You're rich.It's not your money.
28:48Boring.It's something you can't talk about it.It's that even if they were being unkind to you in the edit,you're still talking about it too much.Yes.You know what I mean?Also, it's your abhorrent personality.And the fact that you are a creepy,
28:58scary man,everybody can tell just by looking at youand the way that you talk to people.Also, it's also the way you talk about money,talking about how lucky you arethat all these people that were important in your life died.Died.You're so lucky that you got money
29:13because these people died so lucky.It's so lucky.But then, yeah, but the Stephen and Monica thing,I'm sorry to keep harping on it,but he says he goes to a sleep test.But then at the sleep test,he's like sending these sex thing,which what Monica describes as disgusting fetishes.
29:32Disgusting.Now I'm definitely like,that's got to be only fans, right?And Stephen is at the reunion,so I just need to know.I need to know now.I think we'll find out.They love to get into the details
29:43of that sort of thingthat pops off in a show or online?I know that like maybe other people aren't as curious,but MJ you brought up earlier that you've been watching Mead So much.Oh, wow.Do, like, it was it your first time watching it?How great?Tell me everything.
30:00I know that we were talking on the Sims last week.Yeah.We were talking a little bit about how I,the earthquake that I experienced during the tripping scene in the movie theater.And that was a very, very scary experience for me.But what did you think?Yeah.Your story, your story about seeing Midsomar having an earthquake in the middle of Midsomar while tripping is like, I was thinking about that for days.
30:22I was like, I don't think I would have ever psychologically recovered from like having an earthquake happened in the middle of Midsomar.I found it.I had never seen it.This was my first time.And I magically like, you know, didn't get any spoilers or anything.Spoilers.I found it incredibly disturbing and amazing and terrifying.How awesome of how scary a movie can be.
30:49Yeah, I love how bright it is.Ariaster is an amazing filmmaker.I know that is, I mean, I know that a lot of people hated Bo as afraid, but like, man, I fucking loved Boas Afraid and love hereditary.But midsummer, I remember because I was like, I mean, it can't be as good as Horatry.Hereditary. Hereditary, like, blew me away. And then I saw Midsummer and I was like, man, this blew me away, but in a completely different way. It really? Because I had, like, of course, seen images and stuff from it. I was like, why is everybody to talk about midsummer with this, like, gravitas? It's like a bunch of, like, people in Swedish costumes. What could happen? And then, yeah, I was like, Jesus. Oh, Christ. Yeah, I loved it. It's another one of those, just like Jennifer's body where I want to, like, read all the essays and the discourse about it. I saw a great Twitter thread about how.a lot of, um, like the trend of like people taking it the wrong, like people misunderstanding it,taking it as a like you go girl feminine, like you like, yeah, bitch, get him. And like that that'snot the point of the movie at all. And like, like, like, like, like, like, I mean, also there's
32:03a sprinkle of yeah, like a gleeful revenge story as opposed to how easy it is to join a cult.Yeah. Yeah.How about the opening of Midsomer?That opening rocked me.I, like, I, you know, there are a few horror movies that I watch over and over again.And Mid-Summer and Hereditary are two of that.Yeah, no, the opening.And also, it's one of those movies where the opening, you're like, it was like, you know,
32:36it shows you how scary it can get, but then it, like, resets and suddenly it's not scary anymore.And so you're like, oh, okay, everything's fine for now.But you like know how scary it can be, you know?Like, oh, it's good.It was great.I like, if you have missed it, I highly recommend it.I knew, and I knew it was about a cult, but again, you just, you can't explain like,oh, it's a cult movie and understand how it gets you.
33:02Yeah, it's like one of those dreams where you just get, like, swept up into something and you're just,it's out of your control and everything just keeps like happening and heightening and evolve.and you're just like, what the fuck's going on?It makes sense.You can't stop it.But it all makes sense of like at first, like, it's not like one of those.Or it's just like psychedelic or whatever.Yeah.
33:22What?Why would she?Why?And it's like, yeah, it's, yeah, it's not like a like a holy moor or whatever.You know, it's like not one of those.It is just a really good, accessible.Yes.So, so, so creepy.
33:38Yeah.Highly recommend for your, if you, if you were inthat type of spooky. I really enjoyed it. I was talking about it last week. O.G. Wickerman that I hadnever seen also is like, oh, this is where the idea of me. I mean, I don't know if that is whereR.R. Esther got it from, but like in that, like, kind of like folk-esque horror, you know,that is, I loved the O.G. Wickerman more than I expected. But like even then, it was one of thosewhen we first sat down, Jeff was like, now this isn't necessarily a horror movie, but it is.And I was like, okay, hell yeah.
34:16And I love it.Yeah, we also watched Children of the Corrin, which was funny to watch right after Midsomar,because I don't think that Mitzamar is probably in any direct way inspired by Children of the Court,but there is a lot of, there was a lot of like interesting textual similarities to you.You could see Midsomar.What did you think of Children of the Corn?Children of the Court.You watch OG Children of the Corn?
34:40Yeah, it was fun.I feel like how I feel about a lot of Stephen King stuff,which is like you never know if you're scared of red-haired children.Well, me and John have been called Children of the Corn for our entire lives.So my first takeaway is we don't look like them.But we do come from that area of the country.But yeah, it was interesting.It was especially interesting after watching Mitsumar.
35:01And yeah, I feel like Stephen King is an interesting onebecause either you're going to get like the most brilliant.I think The Shining is like my favorite or a movie ever.And then also I feel like there's a lot of Stephen King that's like,and I feel like Children of the Corn was kind of some, you know.Dude, we just watched the trailer for,I don't know if you remember the movie.This might be a more a Holden thing.
35:20Do you remember the movie Monkey Shine?I remember Monkey Shine.It's based on a Stephen King short film, Monkey Shines.And they're remaking it.And I was like, oh, they're remaking Monkey Shines.All right.Monkey Shines is definitely not.I love monkey shines, but I know that some people would not agree with me, but they're remaking it and the new trailer looks so good.
35:45I was taken aback and doesn't drop until January.It was like, but it looks really good.Well, my, you know, my big horror thing for the week was last night.I finally completed the cycle.I have, I am totally caught up on the terrifier franchise.franchise and I'm so happy.I love to do this kind of thingwhere I get to, you know,
36:10catch up with something and then getto see the newestaddition to the franchise inthe movie theater. Oh yeah. So fun.So, yeah, and I'm reallyChristmas one, too.It's a fun. Like, isn't it a fun one to watch?I would watch it for, like,
36:26in the Christmas season every year. It's so much fun.I, yeah, I like, I mean,yeah, Terrifier 3.The third one is a Christmas movie.The third one is a Christmas movie.They do such a good job.It's so over the top.It's so much fun to like yell in the theater.
36:40Art is such a fantastic addition to like the, you know, legacy slasher monsters.You know, he just fits so perfectly.I think what he does is so fun.You know, at all times that actor is just doing something interesting.And, you know, he has his little like regular go-toes, but like he's always surprising you.with what he does with this performance to make it like funny and make it like there'll just bethis horrific thing going on on the screen and then he'll do something that makes you laugh you knowand I think that's the fun of the movie or of the franchise like and it just gets better and better
37:18it's like the first one is really so bare bones and just like an hour and a half of like thrills andkills in this one mostly this one building and it's just really raw like that and then by the time youget to the third one we're getting so much it's like so much more of a movie you knowYou know, and man, the...You're getting more lore as time goes on to, but not too much more.Yeah, we did get more.You were kind of like, oh, there's not really any lore in three, but there's actuallyplenty, I think.
37:47We get major...They turn it up in the third one, but I think I was more talking about, like, leadingup, like, in the first one, there's no lore, and it is just...And it's just like, what is this guy?So they're building on it now.Like, why is he, like, he just seems to be, like, unable to be killed and have...super strength. Like you're yeah like a lot of the fun for me with watching with Rob was like trying tofigure out like as in the second one you're like wait so he's also like a dream lord like what's going
38:13out here and um you get to get a little bit more on that and then they ended in a way too that just leavesthe door open perfectly for the next one and I'm so excited now to like have this as a regularyou know event hopefully in the movie theater moving forward and the next one looks like it'sgoing to be totally crazy with how they ended. And then, you know, on top of that, like,uh, I just, uh, yeah, I was just screaming in the theater, you know, I was just like having somuch fun with that. And I haven't had that in so long. So just really, really, really like,I'm, I'm, I'm all about terrified. It's been so funny because so many people have differentopinions. And I've had plenty of people with the opinion of like, it's just, it's gross. Like,
38:58it's too much. Like, I'm not into, you know.know what you mean? And I'm like, no, this is like totally my shit. I love how Looney Tunesy the fuckingviolence is too. It's so over the top. Yes. It's, you know, but it's a lot. I mean, I feellike me talking really fondly about it might give people the wrong impression that aren't,that aren't like made to watch these kinds of things. Like, and I do think that's, yeah,I think I know my limits. And I do like, I'm really intrigued by Terrifier. Hearing you guys talk aboutit, it's like everything you're saying makes me want to watch it. But that also, I do have a hard time.with the...
39:31Yeah.I do have a hard time with Thor.It's relentless.And I think you need to have some beers and watch it with friends.And I don't think it's a movie to watch alone or even just with Gideon.I think it's like a watch with a group of people and yell at the screen or, you know, in the movie theater.Yeah.Yeah.
39:48And I'm totally excited to like go to the next one and the next one now and like, you know, continue to enjoy these.And it is the number one movie.Hell yeah.Wow.And it's unrated.It is unrated.I mean, that is crazy.So it's outside of the studio system, which means that, you know, I, and I was talking about
40:08this with Rob, is I wasn't completely, like, aware of all the ins and outs of that.That means that, like, more movie theaters can choose not to show it.Right.Right.If it's unrated and it's this, that, and the other, it just isn't going to be.But I love that it's the War of the Clowns.It crushed Joker 2.Everybody's going to see this movie.
40:29and it's the power of horror movies.Like, you know, because it's like people want to say,oh, the only thing people come out and droves to see noware these like kind of samey, samey superhero moviesand it's like ruining the, you know, movies and stuff.I love that a horror movie can come out of fucking nowhereor a franchise and become the number one moviejust based on sheer like grit and determination
40:54and just like throwing insane shit on the screen.Wow.Very, very cool.yeah so but it is a lot if you are averse to gore like I think it's fun when I see a person literallyget ripped in half by it over the top killer clown I go yay yeah I go yeah I just I know that's verydisturbed when I do it but that's yeah that's my reaction so if that's not your reaction then I don'tknow if you do want to see uh these movies but if you do like that and you scream yay thenin time. I just, I know that most people don't care, but for those of you that do,
41:29the monkey shines reboot is called The Monkey, and it is being done by Osgood Perkins,who did long legs, by the way. Oh, cool. Oh, nice. So we'll see, um, I think that's,I hope it's going to be good. I like long legs. It's so funny, too. I like like, like long legsless now because of how much fun I had watching Terrifier 3. But yes, long legs was good.Yeah, I, I think I'm more, like, I really like, like the black coat stodder. Like,if we're talking to Oz Perkins movies,I think that, like, that one did it for me more so than long legs did.But I'm excited to see whatever the hell he's going to do with fucking the monkey.
42:03Yeah, I just want more of these for sure because it's like,Jake had a really funny comment too.He was like, yeah, it's funny.The conversation is the sight of right now is like, no, no, no,we don't want our killer clowns to ruminate on the things they've done and, you know,decide not to do them anymore or whatever, like a joke or two.No, no, we want our killer clowns to kill.We want them mercilessly to kill.
42:23Let them kill.We don't need them to question the killing for two and a half hours and sing songs about it.No, we just want our killer clouds to just straight murder people, please.And thank you.Let them kill.All right.What else we got?Well, I started and I'm all caught up with what we do in the shadows.
42:40Nice.Oh, yes.This season, yes, the first, I think four episodes are out at this point.And, you know, I feel that the last season was stronger than the two seasons before.that season and this one already, I'm like, okay, hell yeah.I think that this is supposed to be the final season and they're coming out with,I think it's already very funny, but I will, I mean, I said there were two seasons thatweren't as good and I continued to watch the show because the show, even when it's not as good,
43:15is still way better than most, I don't say most television, than a lot of television.And it is a wonderful show with a wonderful cast.If you have not watched what we do in the shadows,I would just say, start watching it, hit it from the beginning.I've watched the first two seasons of what we do in the shadows,I think six times.Wow.Yeah, because I love it so much.
43:36I didn't even notice that there was any weak seasons at all.I believe you, but I just have loved every episode.That's also just because I've seen it multiple times.So I think that it's more so that.So you can go back with a critical lens to be able to compare.Yeah, that nobody needs.needs to have. You know, it's just for me. But I'm really enjoying what we do in the shadowsis definitely like a comfort show for me. So I really am enjoying this current season. But again,
44:02I'll watch Matt Berry do anything. You can do anything to me or me. I will watch it and I willenjoy it. So thank you, Matt Berry, for just being that. It's great because most of my vampire loreactually came from what we do in the show. I was not that into vampire stuff. And then a few years ago,we started what we do in the shadows.And then we did interview with a vampire and Bram Stoker's dropping.Yes, yes.Well, now you have to get prepped for Nostpharatu.Yeah, we ought to do Nesferatu.
44:30Dude, Nospharatu is going to be so good.Cool.This is the new Nospheratu.I think that you should, yes, there's a new Nospheratu that is, that's dropping in, I think,to Sambad on Christmas Day.Oh.On Christmas Day.It is being done by.
44:48Robert Eggers, by the way, the person that did the vich, that did the lighthouse, that did the, like, I am so excited for this Nassarot.It looks so good.And even though it does have a freak yeah in it, I'm not going to hold that against Lily Rose Depp.I'm not going to hold the show, the idol, against Lily Rose Depp.I'm going to watch her in Nospharatu and I'm not going to think about how been a freak yeah.And you know she wants it bad.And now that's going to be stuck in my head for the rest of the day.And I severely apologize.
45:27I am rectangular.Sorry, just to get a different one in there just to see.Yeah.That's been your little earworm as of lately.And I'm sorry for you.It's all.I'm just broken.I'm just broken.
45:41I just listen to metal and sing rectangular.And I'm just like, won't any of these metal songs get stuck in my head, please?but they're all like,so it's kind of hard to get them stuck in your head.Oh, I'll also say,I know you have like many horror movies to rattle offbecause you've been doing your 31 by 31.I'm not going to go through all of them.
45:57It's not, you know.Well, we've been doing Trias of Horror with the kids.Nice.Ooh, which ones, which seasons are your favorite?Well, so what we've been doing at their suggestionand they're smart is we have been working our wayjust season by season.So we are, we've gone, I think we're up to season six.
46:16We, up to maybe season seven.So we've just been watching each one from each year.And, you know, my thing is anything, Simpsons seasons.On Disney, it starts at season one.But if you were, if you had the box sets, I think real like Simpsons, like as we,Whoa, if you've got the box sets.As we know it, like the Simpsons as we know it starts at about season two.I think there's like, season one is more like the Tracy Allman show style.
46:44and it's not really the same.It hasn't really found itself yet.But anything from some, on Disney,I think you could go seasons like one through nineand any episode will be good.Any Trias of Horror will be good.Hell, yeah, the OG ones.I feel like those are the ones
47:02I usually end up watching year after year.And it's funny because I've seen these episodes,each of them hundreds of times probably,but there's a lot of the ones.I saw The Shining and like when I was young,I saw a couple of classic horror movies,but now there's some where we are watchingand I'm going back and I'm like,
47:18oh, this is a reference to, you know,whatever classic horror movie.But yeah, I think you can't go wrong with any of the ones from,if you're doing Disney from seasons one through nine.And my kids are five and six.They're not super easily scared,but they're also not like total goths.So I would say, you know, go based on your kid.
47:40They are very fun, very, very fun.Halloween activity to do every night we watch a treehouse of horror leading up to Halloween.I love that. It's been very fun. It's keeping you in the spooky season. And were there any othermovies that you watched this week, MJ? I know that you did meet so much. But mitzumar, children of thecorn, and then we started the howling. Oh, that's right. Because I forget, Gideon likes creature features.Gideon is a creature feature, monster man. Yeah. So, yeah, we're in the middle of the howling. But that's, butBut yeah, God, it's this already Halloween.What are we going to do?
48:18I know.I know.What are we going to do?Now, I do just want to say, I'm not going to go through, again, I will not gothrough all of the horror movies that I've been watching because every week I can't bore you.But I will give you my cheers and jeers of the week.Okay.I'm going to give out, you know what?
48:33I'm saying it.And you can come after me, but I don't think a lot of people are going to come after me.I was looking up.I was like, you know what?There's so many years of horror that I feel like I missed out on.So I chose a year.It was like 2012.And I was like, what was the greatest horror of 2012?
48:49And I was told the movie Sinister with Ethan Hawk.Now, for me, the year 2012 was a bit of a lost year.There was lots of, there are many years that in my 20s that were lost years, especiallywhen it came to movies because I did not have the money to go to the movie theater.Right.So I watched Sinister.And I'm sorry, 2012.this is the best you had.
49:16I don't, I, this, it was not good.Yeah, I'm throwing out there.The poster for that.It looked bad.I was like, and I was like, best horror movie.It went to, all right.And man, I guess it was just not a good year for horror films because I've, like, my momlikes sinister.
49:33Don't get me wrong.My mom, I love that my mom loves spooky movies.My mom, though, is a simp for a ghost movie.If it is a ghost movie of any sort, my mom loves it.So she told me you watched it.It started.I was like, oh, okay, fuck yeah.And boring.
49:51Really?I think it really depends.And this is difficult for me to say.I think it depends on the ghost movie.I don't, in the same way, I don't blanketly love all zombie movies.I don't love all ghost movies.Because I think sometimes ghost movies are like synonymous with.boring of like a but it's the creepy atmosphere don't get me wrong i'm down for a creepy atmosphere we talked
50:19about med somer for a really long time but you there's so much you can get out of a person that iswatching a movie like mead somer that you can't get with a sinister and it just was we paused iti think five times and i'm just like right yeah let's just finish it we just like i let it happento me so that's my jeers just awful pacing just just no it was not for meAnd I understand if you are like, you love all ghost movies, hell yeah, good for you.I'm just, I just can't.And I'm going to say that was my jeers for the week.And my cheers goes out to tourist trap.
50:56And I don't know if you guys have ever seen the 1979 movie Torres Trap.But it is one of those schlocky bit talk about like a splatter punk kind of just not.I mean, it's just like it's just like.But it's like a supernatural slasher that was a lot more fun than I expected it to be.And I laughed and I smiled through it and the kills are fun.But it's one of those ones from the late 70s that like I'd always been meaning to watch.And I watched it this year.And it's on pacaque.
51:33So Ily recommend if you've got pacaque.Nice.I like cheers and cheers.Man, what are we going to talk about once Halloween?What's 34 for 31 is over?I guess you'll probably just keep watchingHorrors. So it's...That Olivia Rodrigo concert just dropped
51:48on Netflix, so I'm watching the shit of that probablytonight, so looking forward to that.I also started watching The Brats documentary,which was a lot moreinteresting than I expected it to be.I watched the first half of it,and I really liked it because I neverthought about, because it's all about the Brat Pack.
52:05And Andrew McCarthydirects it, who's a part of the Brat Pack.And none of them havetalk to each other in 30 years.Really? Oh my God. And so Andrew McCarthy decides and he's like, the whole idea of thebrat pack was actually very hurtful to all of us. And it actually, we all think, he's like,I think it hurt my career. And I'm so curious to find out if the others felt the same. So heliterally calls him up on the phone. The first person he meets up with is Emilio Estevez.
52:37And Emilio Estevez, and it's like in his home, Emilio Estevez was like, I've turned down.every reboot under the sun.I have no desire to do any of it.So Andrew McCarthy was like,well, why did you say yes to doing this?And he's like, because you called and asked me to do it.Wow.And it was, it is so, so I, and I know that Demi is going to be in it.
52:59I'm pretty sure Rob Lowe is going to be in it.So I sprinkled that on as something that was like,I need something that's like not horror for a second.I know, surprise.Yeah, right.Okay.I'm going to watch that.But yeah, check it out.
53:11Hell yeah.Hell yeah.All right.Shall we sing the song and get out of here?To the song.Thank you guys.Thanks everybody for listening.Do, do, do, do, to, to, to, to, to.
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