Page 7 - Talkin' TV - I Like Boring

Episode Date: August 14, 2024

This week Holden, Jackie and MJ (broadcasting live from a cabin in the woods) are gossin' 'bout the dark new season of Unsolved Mysteries leading MJ to want to let their kids know they can pursue a career in the arts as a severed head recreator, the Olympics may be over but everyone is obsessed with Raygun, House of the Dragon Season 2 ends leaving an amazing set up for Season 3, Holden reveals the massive amount of GoT spin-offs that are waiting in the wings, MJ continues their plague era fantasies with The Decameron, Jackie's continuin' to explore the dark depths of YouTube Video Essays, Holden can't get enough Critical Role after researching it for an upcoming WizBru Ep, Mommy vloggers are in shambles now that they will have to pay their gremlins, and Jackie bares witness to a JoJo Siwa filmic experience, Cuckoo delights Jackie and Geoff, and Jackie reports that Heavyweights still holds up after 19 years (ofc), and more!!! Unsolved Mysteries Season 4 - Netflix (OG episodes, Youtube)House of the Dragon Season 2The Decameron - NetflixSocial Anxiety Horror by Super Eyepatch Wolf - YoutubeCritical Role - YoutubeThe Legend of Vox Machina - Prime VideoMatt Rife: Lucid - A Crowd Work Special - NetflixThe Influencer - Netflix#AMFAD All My Friends Are Dead - Prime VideoCuckoo - IN THE THEATAHHHHHeavyweights - Disney+Hellboy - Netflix Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey guys, this is Jackie Zabrowski from the Last Podcast Network, and ooh baby, do I have a juicy treat for you Law and Order SVU lovers out there? And it's a new parisocial relationship. Check out That's Messed up, an SVU podcast on the Exactly Right Network, hosted by two of my comedian friends, Kara Clank and Lisa Trager. Every week they break down an episode of Law and Order SVU, the true crime it's based on, and chat with an actor from the episode. I'm talking Margaret Cho, Matthew Lillard, and if you slip and slide at the thought of B.D. Wong,

we'll get your ears prepared because it's getting wet out here. Check out, That's Messed Up, for all things SVU, unfiltered hot takes, and more. Again, that's That's Mess Up, an SVU podcast available wherever you get your beautiful podcasts. New apps every Tuesday, and that's not messed up. All right, it's a bad joke. TV with MJ Holden and Jackie talking TV. And you know it's going to get wacky. Because everybody knows and everyone knows.

And everybody knows we're watching shows. We're talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie. Oh, babies, dead of the summer. That's right. What do we watch to keep us cool in the days and hot in the day. nights. Then we watched the curious case

of the severed head. No. No. No. Rousse of ass. Unsolved mysteries. I did watch it. And yes,

there's a head. And yes, there's a body, a body part trade happening in anyone given hotel conference room, apparently.

This is the thing about unsolved mysteries. I don't want to know. Whatever they do find out, I don't want to know. Why is this my favorite true crime show, it's so, so disturbing. Although my first thought with the severed head episode when they talked

about the artist who recreated the head, I was like, someday when my children are older, I will tell them that one way you can be an artist is by recreating a severed head as an artist. Use body parts. I'm not going to tell them that now. They're both aspiring artists. And so they're always talking about what can you be as an artist and you could be a severed head recreater. But I'm not going to tell them that now. There's just so many avenues with which to make a splash. And I need you guys to know, I want to give a quick shout out to Bree, Bree, who wrote in that did let us know, and I don't know if you guys knew this, that all 12 original seasons with Robert Stack are on YouTube for free.

Thank you, Bree. I also wanted to let everybody else know that you can watch as much unsolved mysteries as you can slurp into your gullet. YouTube, baby. Now, you will have to do, I imagine, have to deal with the ads unless you pay for YouTube premium, which is a nightmare. But, you know, maybe it's worth it just to slurp down just to get us through the rest of the summer. We need something to get us through the rest of the summer. Because the Olympics are gone.

Of course, Talking TV comes out the day before the big page seven comes out, but we record Big Page 7 first. So you will hear on tomorrow's episode that we have been watching, almost exclusively watching the Olympics. And so here we are talking TV. We talked a lot about the Olympics in the regular page seven episodes, so we won't talk about it here. But that, I mean, there's just nothing better than not having to think about what you're going to watch

and you just turn on the Olympics. Right. Make them flip. Make them flap. Make them dance for me. Because I can't do any of that. And I love, unless, you know, we're talking Raygun, but we're not here to talk about Raygun.

That's tomorrow. Although I will go ahead and say, try actually doing some of the moves. It is a little bit difficult, all right? It's constant movement. It's a difficult thing to do. Yeah, I know. I actually, there's, I'm so glad you said that because there is a really big part of me that wants to just try alone in a room to do it, you know, to just recreate Raygun's dance.

Holden tried to do it last jack. I will say, even though I'm horrifically out of shape, I was breathing heavily, you know. Very difficult for him to do. Yes, absolutely. I will say, yeah, definitely, if you'd like to mimic it best, and I do think Raygun did employ this in their work, definitely, definitely take at least four to five shots of fireball before attempting. It really, really helps, for sure. It really, really helps. No, no, I think that she was stone cold sober, which is actually insane. The fact that your body can do that while you're sober is miraculous.

Think about what the human body can do. But I also, I'm going to throw it out there. I did finish season two, House of the Dragon. Got it all. You know what? I like it way more than I liked the first season. Yeah, Gideon, too. Gideon loved this season.

Right? I really, really enjoyed this season. They have set it up for a huge battle season next season. And I am really, I'm enjoying it. And here's the thing. I'm getting a lot of feedback from people. that like, it's boring, it's boring. But here's the thing.

I like boring. It's the procedural. It's like all the government stuff. Exactly. If it is like well-acted, good characters and also you give me some eye candy and there's dragons. Like, I'll keep watching anything. You know what I mean?

Yeah. The dragon, I mean, I saw somebody, somebody tweet me whenever the dragons show up on the show called House of Dragons. And it was like Lucille Bluth every time she sees Jean Parmer. Marijon, like, ah! Like, it's just like, the dragons are cool. I don't even care about the show. I sit in the room with Gideon while he watches it,

and I look up every time the dragons come in. And, yeah, it seems like this season is like for the government. It's like the West Wing of Game of Thrones, right? It's just like, this is what the logistical, political difficulties are. And that's... We've got to figure it out. But then you also like Pepper and Emma Darcy. And again, I know, I feel like, I feel bad.

for how hard I thirst for them, and it's probably might become a problem, but I don't follow them on any of the socials. I keep away from them. You're not harassing them. No, no, no. I just, I dreamed a dream of kissing Emma. And why can't I live that dream out? Many reasons, many reasons why I can't. But I will say Emma Darcy kills it, doing a great job. Olivia Cook, killing it. It's just like hardcore bitches being hot. Co-up, bitches, and it's wonderful to watch. Yeah. Well, I will tell you what, you are in for a real treat, Jackie,

because guess what? There are several Game of Thrones shows coming your way via Jeff. I won't. I can't. I can. I can. I can. I won't.

I can. I can. I can. The sea stage. Jesus Christ. 10,000 ships. It's like all the Star Wars offshoots. They never stop.

Yeah, but if you look up, look up what Corlis, you know Corlis. MJ, the C-Snake. Yes. C-O-R-L-Y-S. If you look up Corlis, now that is somebody I'll keep coming back for. Well, the C-Sake is... Give me, give me the C-Snake show

in development right now. If you were to... I can give me the C-Snake anytime. Absolutely. He's going to be apparently getting his own series. There are multiple... There are multiple animated

and live-action shows in the works right now. It's some upsetting, I would even say. Some have been canceled, but... I don't want to watch them. I really, I can't. There's so many. I mean, now that I've watched the decamerin,

I feel like maybe I can watch things that are just about castles, you know, and we're all having a fight about... I don't know. I feel like the DeCamarin is like a soap opera, which is why it's fun to watch. But the whole thing is that it's medieval and fantasy. Like Jackie said,

the decamarin is an exact combination of what she's interested in, and what Jeff is interested in. And I feel like that's the same reason me and Gideon have been able to enjoy it. Yeah, and so you're digging it? Usually a period piece is just not my jam, you know? I've talked about this. I like struggle with Bridgeton.

I even struggle with like the Pride and Prejudice movies and stuff. It's just not especially interesting to me. And I know that there's many different periods to do period pieces about. But I have, Gideon and I have been working our way through to the Cameron. I really like it. And maybe it's just because I find the Black Plague time period to be very fascinating. But it does kind of make me, I mean, House of the Dragon just feels like a little dry to me when the decamerin is like a... What?

It's listed. No, the DeCamaran is wet. It is very, very wet. It's listed as a drama, but I was about to describe it as a comedy. It's a black comedy, I feel like. Yeah. But it is... But also, can we give it up for Amar Chata Patel?

I know. I mean, talk about somebody that will keep you coming back to a show. This is a real deep... Wow. This will only make sense to people watching the DeCamron, but we are... I am currently, I'm recording from Vacation House, and right now, for the first two days,

we've been here before any of the other family arrives, so it's just me and my family, and it's like in the woods, there's no one else around, so I keep walking around without a shirt on, which I don't, even though I've had top surgery, I don't usually do that in New York City beaches, she's not quite sure how I will be perceived...

I'm so happy that you are, yes. It's been great, and I'm not, you know, I just am not sure how I would be received by the public if I do that publicly, but I also just keep wearing my pants really high because ever since having kids, I wear my pants real high. So I'm topless wearing real high pants. And I would feel weird about it, except that's what DNAO does in the decamerin. And it's real sexy. So I'm like, thank you the de Cameron for showing me that there is a place for us who want to wear real high pants and nothing on top. And it can be sexy. I bet you look great, MJ,

especially just like, oh my God, amongst the green foliage. Especially because I feel like anytime I think about UMJ, I just think of like the concrete. I always think about the concrete when I think about UMJ just because of the New York keeps New Yorking all over you. Yeah, usually I'm surrounded by concrete, but here I am. Also, the house we're staying, it is like in the woods,

but it's down like a path. There's down a path. So I'm basically pretending that I'm in the decamerin right now, for the plague and the masses of peasants that are going to try to break down the door. I'm like pretending that I'm living at a villa, you know, and that's fun. As you should, I feel like that like thinking about being secluded, honestly, kind of reminds me of the home, the like long driveway they had to take to get to the home where the six schizophrenic brothers were.

But don't think about that every time you go up and down the driveway. Don't worry. Staying in a secluded house, it turns out I actually feel. feel much safer, surrounded by all the concrete. Every night before I go to bed, I think about what ghosts are in the house. Hell yeah. I also think about what murderer could come here and hell yeah. And I think about all the, I just, it's very scary. It's scary being in a house in the woods and I'm trying my hardest not to think about unsolved mysteries or the decamerin and the, you know, again, the horns of the mass is coming. I also, I mean, speaking of terror, it is still summer wean.

And I did watch a video essay and it's by the same people that did that. the Garfield video essay that I was talking about last week. And it's by this, I mean, it's a dude called Super I Patch Wolf. I saw someone recommended this. We've been getting great video essay recommendations from listeners. Thank you guys so much. This one is about, it's called social anxiety horror. I didn't mean to say, dude, this person just put out a new documentary called

Social Anxiety Horror. And it's about the different kinds of horror that exists nowadays. that used to not. And essentially it's the three principles of humiliation, perception of yourself, and paranoia. And they go through

using like back to back, like backing it with real social experiments about how horror uses these ideas of like, you know, let's say like the horror, like the social horror of someone saying they're going to release a tape of you taken without your knowledge.

The social horror of like people talking behind your back about like it's like talking about all different. And so it's all these little stories as well as social experiments as well as including movie examples

that explain that back up what they're talking about. And it was so fascinating. And I was just like you're right. Because as you get older, the idea of what is scary to you changes. Like the way that I feel like a dirty photo of me now being put out, I don't know if I would

be as upset. I mean, depending on the photo or depending on the video, as I would have been when you're like 16. Right. You know, in the way that it changes over time. And so it was also like the psychology behind social anxiety horror. That's fascinating. Yes.

and from someone that's not a professional, but they were like, and said that a couple of times, but it was like just pointing out fascinating facets of horror. And I really liked it. Yeah, we've been hearing from tons of people who are in video essay town, and it's really fun. Thank you guys. Please keep them coming, especially the psychology ones. I've been getting into the psychology ones and really losing myself. Yeah, I feel like I'm with the video essays and now with watching D&D, uh,

dreams as well. I'm like eight years behind, but I have finally, you know, we did an episode on it, but it's one of those where I got into it based off a Whizber episode and now it's sticking where I like kept watching it after we were done recording, which is a huge testament because usually I kind of leave it behind and move forward. Critical role. We did an episode on it recently for Wizard and the Bruiser, so I've started to watch their campaign too. If you're interested in a place to start, there's entire YouTube videos online and where to start with Critical Role because they have three full campaigns, all collected, all on YouTube. They're still currently streaming their third campaign, but they're like already 100 episodes into it.

The first campaign not only starts with a lot of like technical issues, there's also a shitty player that they had to remove via every D&D game has to have that one guy that brings the whole table down and they had to get rid of them 27 episodes in. But also they start in the middle of their campaign because they were running a house game. We're talking about Matt Mercer's as the DM running Tabletop D&D 5th edition with a slew of talented voice actors and all of different types, all of different skills. So this is like, this is the Olympics of D&D. You know what I mean? There's a few really good ones out there. There's also Dimension 20, which I'm definitely down to get into. But for now... I'm really enjoying Dimension 20. But also I think it's because I've

fallen in love with all of the people that. at work at dropout, so now I'm down to watch them play. D&D, as I learn more about the world of D&D. Okay, wait, I need to, what, so how does Gideon watch this? Tell me about exactly. So critical role, what I would say for critical role, what people, either people suggest, if you want to start in the first campaign, they suggest starting around the time when the guy leaves that sucks, which is around, I believe, episode 27.

Okay. But most say, hey, why, Maya is, well start with campaign two, because then it starts in the very beginning with all new characters. And the tech is totally fully up and it's all good. Also, there's Vox Machina, which is, and this is the greatest testament. This is the greatest success you could have with a Tabletop D&D campaign. There is a Amazon Prime animated show called Vox Machina, which is an adaptation of their first campaign. Really? The animation is very good. And it's all.

already has a season three on the way. And that is a really good way to experience the first campaign if you want to go back. So I suggest, and I'm having a really good time with the second campaign, which is all collected on a playlist. But I'm telling you, MJ, it is like 140 episodes sessions. Well, Gideon is a second screen guy. I'm not. But he would put this on while he works and he would love it.

Yes, that is what it is doing for me. So I just showed off my Starry Night Lego that I completed while watching Critical Role on my TV. MJ and Jackie said nothing about it. We said, wow. That is something. You didn't have your headphones on. We were both asking questions about it. Okay, to me, it seemed like y'all were just in some sort of stunned silence or hated it.

And it was an odd admiration silence. Yes. You built a Lego. Stride Night was a really cool build. It was a lot more intricate. At first I was a little bogged down by it, but it kind of got cooler as it went because I was dealing with like multiple shades of,

like five or six different shades of blue, but trying to make sure it was the right piece for the right. I mean, much more. Building Legos is the opposite of relaxing to me. So I'm so happy for you that this is. It makes me anxious. It makes me upset. It's like putting together an IKEA furniture.

You're like, no. I have this reading light that goes around my neck that I turn on. and it's very peaceful to me. It's very zen. We just, we lay everything out and we get everything out and we have something nice on the screen.

And your toddler doesn't mess with it? You have a toddler-proof area. This is my nighttime hour. This is my relax. But you have to have the right thing on the screen because, like, I tried to do like fallout and it's so visual. You kind of need to pay more attention.

But yeah, that's why Critical Role hit the sweet spot both for by video gaming pleasure and for Lego. And shout out. to that. I feel like a hundred years old that I'm sorry for listeners who are if it feels frustrating.

But like between this, you describing this, Jackie describing dropout and then also like just getting like learning about the world of video essays. It's like I truly feel like somebody who has just learned to watch Mike entertainment in a certain way,

which is like from networks and apps. It's like showing your parents how Netflix live like live streaming. That is 100% how I feel. I'm like, wow, it is a whole channel that's just about an ongoing D&D game. And it's like, I'm very excited that talking TV has been an avenue for us, not only to talk about what we're watching on streaming services, but for also, for me to learn about the other ways people watch things, you know, like in the different, the role of YouTube. And it's just, it's very fascinating, very new to me.

Yeah. It's been around for a minute. I mean, Critical Role started. 2015. Oh yeah. This has been happening for, this is, we are late to it. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I'm quite late. We're late. But that has taken up a lot of my time just because I've had to watch it for research. But shout out's a critical role, man. That's some, it's some entertainment. It's, man, because they're making it up as they go along, but they're all really good at doing the voices and everything. And also, I just have to call this out. I pulled up Netflix to like

remember what I'm watching. All good stuff. Shout out. Salama. Malama. Great series. Matt Ripe just released a, the first ever crowdwork special. Blow my fucking brains out, dude. This is where we're at with stand-of-comedy these days. I knew it was coming because the fucking TikTok has ruined a lot of things for me. And stand-of-comedy is starting to become one of them because it made everything about crowdwork because everybody just wants that cute crowdwork moment to happen. Because that's what goes viral. And I think maybe I even need to watch this, because he put out a stand-up special that kind of bombed that was just him trying to do actual stand-up

and he tried to make it all edgy for like the Rogan bros and it kind of bombed. And so now it's like, no, no, no, do what you do best, Matt. You got popular being pretty on TikTok, repeating the facts of people's lives back at them. Let's do that for an entire hour on Netflix. So opposite shout-offs to that. Maybe it's good.

I don't know. Maybe it'll change my mind. But I just had to, it just took my, it just took my, attention too much. I had to bring this up. I can't believe we're doing crowdwork pressure. Yeah, that's interesting. It's so stupid. Completely changed. You know, he sold it. Someone bought it. Somebody bought it. So much money. Holden. Spent so much money. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. On Wizard and the Bruiser, we find all those crazy little moments in geek history that made the things we love into inescapable cultural behemates. If you love video games, movies, comics, and anime, this is the LPN show for you.

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Ooh, we would love it if you did that. Oh, that would help us out so much. God, wouldn't you love to do that? Don't I sound like the kind of person you want to help? Like, hit the button. Like, just do it. But that's why maybe don't spend your time watching that. Instead, ask yourself, what if Squid Game could occur, but for viral fame?

And that is the reality show, the influencer, Netflix's new Korean reality show. I am sucked in. I was about to be like, Jackie, we've already talked about that on Taki TV, but no, we actually watched the trailer on Jack and with the Holdies, and it was quite compelling. Yes, dude, the influencer. So this is like, think of it in the world of what physical 100 did for you or at least did for me in like just opening up your brain to what the idea of strength is. And this show is what is the idea of being viral and being having fans? Really?

And what does that mean? Does it mean you're the most beloved? Does it... Is it about being charismatic? So, is it? Uh-huh. Because that's the thing, MJ. It starts with 77 different influencers.

Okay. And the phrase, like the idea of what an influencer is, is very vast. So you're watching people from all different parts of Korea's, like, entertainment system. So you have like actual celebrities. You have TikTok stars. You have muckbang stars. You've got streamers. You've got drag stars. You've got someone who is mute, like a character who is mute. It's all different kinds of characters. And so like the first episode is an hour and a half. And I will let you know that like the first, I think 35 minutes of it is just introducing people.

So, I mean, it's a lot to take in. But the first challenge, they have these collars on. Oh, my God. It's so like it's a black mirror. It's like the black mirror episode with Bryce Dallas Howard, where you have a collar on that shows how many fans you have, like how many followers you have on your largest platform. But then it changes like it. It's a two, just like a $300 million dollar.

won prize. And so it converts your followership to the amount of money you're worth via the jackpot. So it is a consistently you're knowing how much you are worth or how much you're not worth. And the first challenge is you have 15 likes and 15 dislikes and you have two hours. Give them out. and you don't know like so of course you assume like oh all the like you want all good ones but do you? Uh-huh.

And how would you get them? And it's using people's actual audiences it's not like a simulated because you were describing it and you were like as like a little bit It's just them. The way that the circle, you know, is like a creates an alternate social media platform

but you're talking like when it has their foulers, just their actual real like around their neck and they have on the internet but not part of a separate, game. It's just... Correct. They have a, they're real followers, and then they've got a phone that I'm certain is a fake phone, like, from the reality show where they can, like, scan their neck collars

to get, like, introductions to each of them. So, like, you don't even have to talk to anybody if you don't want to. You can just come up, scan their collar, look at their intro, give them a like or a dislike. Uh-huh. Wow. Or it's like, is it better to get attention? Is it better not to get attention. Uh-huh. What is it, what is the qualifier? So, like, that's just the first episode. So it's the idea is how do we manipulate and what is being an influencer?

Uh-huh. It's so, like, definitely one of those shows that I'm like, oh, we finally hit the end. Like, this is, this is the bottom of the barrel that we're watching this. And yet, I can't stop. And I think that this is actually, this will go, I mean, maybe. maybe not for Gideon, but Holden as like your second screen show. Sure. Because of course, I'd rather just watch it with the subtitles on, but it is pretty funny

listening to the voice work done over. So I've got the captions on as well as it dubbed because I just like to hear the fun dubbing versions of stuff. Yeah, totally. And Physical 100 was the same. And, you know, it was, it's, you get used to it. It's real, real bad though. But something I did not expect, which makes.

so much sense, but I never thought about it before. Think about the world of comedy that like people that aren't comedians don't usually think about the fact that like oftentimes improv people don't really like sketch people or stand up people don't like improv and sketch people or like it really depends on what facet. That certainly comes into play in the idea of what an influencer is because people really look down on short form content like TikTok people versus a YouTuber. But here's the thing. The TikTokers, because it is like international platform in a different way, I guess when it comes to like the followership, I don't know exactly like the behind the magic of that. But they have way more followers than the other people.

So they have all the influence. But they all openly dislike them because they're. short form content creators. I think what sounds so cool about it to me is that it's like trying to name and study and maybe quantify something that we have been living. We've been living in the world of content creation and influencers for years now. We know it's almost like when they were doing the Senate hearings on porn and they said, you know, I can't describe it, but I know it when I see it.

You know, it's like we know what it means to be an influencer, but we, it's not really something that you can exactly quantify. Like, even Jackie and I were talking on a live stream recently about how whenever somebody asks us what we do, we don't know what to say. There's like no way to answer. That's not embarrassing. Lou and Jackie of all trades. Yeah, because like, honestly, I don't know if it is the same in New York, but I imagine it is. I feel like in L.A., every single person has a podcast.

Right. And to say you're a podcaster, even though we've been podcasting before anybody even knew what podcasts were. But it's so it is just like, I'm a podcaster. But somebody suggested saying content creator. And I was like, I don't identify as a content creator at all because to me, those are people who like, right, make videos on the internet. And it's always the consistent wheel of it. It's the constant churning.

Right, right. But yeah, so it's hearing you describe the show and naming it like it is an art form, right? Oh, yeah. But we don't think of it that way. We think. And also it's something that we really talk about with disdain. Like, oh, it's like that there's the mommy influencers and there's the fitness influencers.

And I think sometimes we have a disdain because of what phones have done to our lives. And then other times we probably have disdain because oftentimes certain types of these fields are dominated by women. And so there's like some misogyny there when it comes to how we talk about certain types of influencers. And there's just, it's such a fascinating and cultural moment that we've been in for years, but it's something that I haven't really seen articulated. I'm sure that there is other work like this, but to see it like gamified.

sounds fascinating. I am. The weirdness with it all, and I mean, it's even happening now with Mr. Beast, and it happens with everyone, everyone has their like,

cross to bear with this shit. These are just people. They worked their way through, like, the social currency of social media to get where they're at. There was no vetting process. There was no, you know,

I mean. No acting school. No. Like the way that there is. I always talk about how, like, I remember when Henry before he started, of getting like major acting roles.

He had all these meetings with different like studio heads and stuff. And it was really this whole series of just lunches where not even real much business was being discussed. It was literally just like, are you a person who will not represent this studio in a dog shit way? Are you a sane, reasonable human being? You know what I mean? Because I mean, geez, what do we just see with Jonathan Majors on the MCU?

You know what I mean? It's like you take these risks and if something like that goes down you lose millions of dollars whereas these influences Or like in the case of Ezra Miller where they just put it out now which also was terrible idea.

So you know these are just these people who come out of nowhere and all of a sudden we're just like I hate to keep bringing her up over and over here but like it's just like the Hawk to a girl you're the deal now Raygun you're just the deal now and we're all going to be talking about you

God knows what the hell they've done before or what they're real leanings are and you just hope for the best with these people, but they are bizarrely, like, what is it with humans and needing someone to, like, follow? You know what I mean? And we saw it in high school and middle school. There was always the leader of the pack. There was always the most popular person in school, you know, that was kind of that everyone wanted to be like. And there's always that going on. And then this isn't a much larger scale. And then these people end up being fucking dirt bags. And often, I feel like the influence

the biggest fields of influencing. I mean, I am somebody who I've been a parent for six years. I have been extremely influenced myself in good ways and in very bad ways by parent influencer content. And you've been under the influence while parenting as well. And I'm under the influence the whole time. No, but like I've been thinking a lot about the role of parent influencers and parent content creators because that's something that was just kind of initially just seen as like a total

gift and now has been, it's like, it's kind of become like a slow motion horror thing, right? Like, yeah. The Ruby Frankie is an extreme example, but the way there's, you know, there's a new law in Minnesota now about content creators who use their children's images have to share the profit, 100% of the profits with them if they use their children for more than 30% of their content. But anyway, it's, I feel like the, Holden, you talking about like the, the, shouldn't there be the opposite that it's like, I know that the children should get paid, But shouldn't it be more of like a they shouldn't be used?

I think the goal is to disincentivize it, right? Oh, okay. So if you use even, if even 30% of your content is your children, you have to pay 100% of your profits to your children. So I think the idea is to disincentivize it. But parent influencer world is going crazy about this. Crazy. Because many people have built their entire incomes

and supporting their entire lives on employing their family. they're using their children, right? Which... What about the dog fluencers? The dogs deserve all the money too. And I always laugh the most at the trad wife in fluencers because they're all trying to be like,

I'm a traditional wife. I just want to stay at home and be a homemaker. And it's like all of the work they're putting in to... It's a job. It's a whole ass job what you're doing to be this influencer. And you're acting like you're not a working woman. But the bubble is kind of bursting on that too, right?

Because there was just that Times story about Valerina Farm that just basically made her look like she was kind of a hostage in her own home. Sure. And then she was like, I'm not. I want to do this. So anyway, what you're point holding about like people kind of needing someone to follow? I feel like the corners of influencer world that I'm in are the ones that are exploiting people

who are like, as a parent, I was, when I became a parent, I was like terrified. I was, I didn't know what I was doing. I felt like I needed help. Yeah. And so I, I, and so I was like, this, this, this parent influencer will tell me what to. And now it's like, it's like, the fog is lifting. And I'm like, oh, I don't like have to listen to these people. Right.

You know what I mean? Like they haven't written a book that has been, not that I mean books aren't fact checked, unfortunately. So that's not even, but it's, right. It's like, what authority do you have? That's it. Yes. Even back in the day, my mom tells me that, like, she's like, I didn't know how to be a parent.

So my mom would read parents. parenting books and then seek out, but like she lived in New York, so she would go to lectures by the people that would write the books to learn how to parent because she had no idea. But like that was the beginning, I feel like, of the parent influencers of like, what do you do when like, well, you certainly didn't learn how to be a parent from your parents. Where are you supposed to go? But then, but now we're in this hell where it's like, okay, I trust this person. Like this is, this, this bitch is the bitch. going to help me through this. And then, you know, you're watching their content and they'll be like,

I trust Airbnb for my family vacation. And it just immediately takes me out of the world, you know, like, because every, and I get it. We all, you know, it's a, we're in an ad-based economy now. Oh, yeah, got to make them duckets. Got to make the, got to make the money. So it's not even a judgment, but it is like, it's just like, okay, so now I'm here. I follow dozens, if not more of accounts of people using their own children's real images, telling me advice about how I should parent, and then one out of four of their slides is them being like, Hickory Farms Bacon feeds my family. You know, and it's just like, do I trust you or do I not, you know what I mean? And so it's, it's this, it is the world we have been living in for so long, and it seemed

just kind of invisible for a while because it happened so gradually. And now it's like, yeah, let's actually name this that this is the entertainment landscape. in. And then there are really cool pros about it. And then there's also like some real sinister stuff to it too. Oh, yes. Very much so. Just the idea that like, you know, bad press is still good press and like that, like the whole world of that existing of just like, oh, yucky. It's such like a, a minefield of people and choices. And you're just like, all right, guys, you're just going to do you. And it's like, I know I'm a good person, but I know that there's a lot of bad people out there. Yeah.

And I live in fear, but I did not live in fear while watching the Jojo Siwa horror movie that came out a couple of months ago. Excuse me? It is called hashtag all my friends are dead. And I saw that Jojo Siwa was in a horror movie. So I was like, well, I immediately have to watch it. And I went out and I was like, oh, I have to rent it for $6.99. Well, doing it for the stories, babe.

Let me save you. $6.99, everybody. Can I just save you? Save you from yourself. I'm not saying that you shouldn't watch it if it is free. I am saying don't spend $6.99 to rent it. Not even for the lulls? Not for the lulls.

I will say for, Jeff and I had a blast. It is a dumb horror movie filled with dumb. idiots that you can't wait to watch die. It is short. It is dumb. It isn't bad. And I don't know why for some reason it has like a 60 something percent on rotten tomatoes. That's why I watched it. I was like, okay, I'm intrigued. Middling reviews. Let's see how it goes. And it is bad, but not like, yes, bad. You know what I mean? free fun. If it is free, definitely check it out because it is just fun. You can tell that they shot Jojo Siwa out and it's very funny that like they're like, but Jojo Siwa's in it. It's like,

I was brought in and I just needed to protect everyone from spending $699 because the following day we had the opposite horror movie watching experience and that was going to see Kuku, Kuku, Kuku, Kuku, Kuku. This is good. I'm going to go see Koku. It is great. It is great. And if you listen to me

talk over on side stories, Henry and Eddie had me on an episode of side stories to talk about horror movies. And if there's one thing I say about horror movies all the time, it is that try something new, babe. Give me something different. And this movie did.

It is a monster movie. and in a way that was fun. And Hunter Schaefer is great in it. And Jeff had only seen Hunter Schaefer in like the small bit part in kinds of kindness. And she did a great job in that. But I was like, oh, you didn't see euphoria. You forget that like Hunter Schaefer is very good at being upset. And Hunter Schaefer goes through a lot in this movie.

And I've seen the trailer 35. times because it has been playing in front of every movie. But I will say worth it, really enjoyed it, had a fun smile on my face. Also, funny. It's a good blend, because that's a thing. Hashtag all my friends are dead. It is a dark comedy. Yeah. So that, it was silly, but it also wasn't funny. Cuckoo's actually funny. There are points that, like, I think the whole audience was surprised to laugh. It's fun. And it was, uh, I, Right afterwards, Jeff was like, man, so predictable. And I looked at him with a crazy look and he's like, I'm joking.

I'm off to be joking. It's like, oh, okay, great. I really liked Cuckoo. Until I started talking to you, until we started talking TV, I didn't realize how frequently they are putting out horror films throughout the summer. I feel like you've been seeing a horror film every week. Well, usually in the summer, that's where the, you know, the not quote, you know, the blockbusters or the Gore Fest. That's usually when they drop. But this year is a particularly very good year for hold on.

It really is. They're killing it this year. And I think a lot of stuff got released. And I've really been enjoying myself. It's funny because at the same time, while we're going through Summer Ween, Jeff is also currently working on a D&D campaign Holden that is summer camp themed. So we've started our summer camp movie watching because Jeff was like, I don't think I've watched a lot of summer camp movies. And I was like, well, have you seen heavy weights?

And he's like, no. And I said, oh, this evening we're watching heavy weights. And we did. And it holds the fuck up. I would say, MJ, don't show it to your children. I will say in that capacity, not, it is kind of scary. and I don't know if you're familiar with heavyweights, but heavy weights was one of my favorite movies growing up.

Really? Have you ever seen it? No. Holden? Nope. Wow. Or like maybe on HBO or something like that, yeah, maybe on HBO or something like that,

but it never, I don't have like a memory of it in a mighty ducks way. Gotcha. And I do wonder. And write in if you also were weirdly obsessed with heavy weights, but let me know if you were plus size or if you weren't. Because I am curious, Henry and I love, love, love, Love, love, love this movie.

And for those of you that don't know, this movie is about fat kids going to fat camp. And Ben Stiller plays the owner of the camp. And he's very funny in it. But not a family. Not a family movie for my, for little kids age, yeah. Or discuss, you know, the idea of like plus-size people. Right, right.

And just discuss the, you know, and just discuss the, because we talked to Jake Young about Fat Camp, and he only says the greatest things about Fat Camp. Yeah, it was great. You got to kiss girls in Fat Camp. Yeah, he's like, the girls, they want to kiss you. Hang out with people, you know, together. That understand you, and, like, you're not just the fat person.

Like, everybody's fat, so you actually feel included for the first time. And there's actually, like, lots of fun. But this is a negative portrayal of a Fat Camp. Got it. Got it. It is funny and fun. And I was nervous it wasn't going to hold up. But again, don't worry, guys.

It does. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I'm going to try to make my family watch Mrs. Doubtfire tonight. So I'll report back and see if that happens. Whoa. I enjoyed it.

I watched it not too long ago. I thought it was fun. I think it was like, really, Mrs. Doubtfire? I was like, I mean, I, but it's just that Robin Williams's character is, is insane and should be, you know, the horror movie, like, the edit of the trailer is... It's not like Ace Ventura's trans panic at the end. To me, because to me it's drag.

It's not like a trans panic movie. It's like a drag thing. But I'll find out. I just remember, because we watched Aladdin last night and they were like, who's the voice of the genie? I was like, oh, children, I've got to introduce you to Robin Williams. So maybe... It's just so funny because Pierce Bronson character who's supposed to be

like the villain or something is like the greatest guy ever. A better dad. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's just trying to be nice. is horrible. Start for the very beginning. The thing that gets him in trouble in the first place is insane. He brings a bunch of animals into the house.

I'm going to choose. There's a huge party. There's a huge party. There's so many good. I just have to introduce them to Robin Williams now because of the genie. So that was the first one that came to my mind. But I'll think about it. And hopefully I'll have more to report back next week.

Sprinkle little flubber in there. Little flubber. I feel like I bring up flubber all the time. You do. I don't think I've seen it since it. came out. So please do a little research for me, MJ. Okay. Don't, you know, you could show them one hour photo. Talk about sprinkling it in. If you want to show them what Robin Williams could really do, you know, show them what

dreams may come. I'll show them. I think goodwill hunting. Yeah. You know, just understand. So good. Teach them now what an influencer used to be. All right. Goodwill hunting. Or Robin Williams's episode of Law and Order SVU. That's what I'll start. There you go. You got to somewhere, baby. And I guess I don't need to talk about me watching Hellboy for the first time because my husband loves the movie Hellboy and he was very excited to show me Hellboy. Nice. It's fun.

It's silly. All right. I say, we call it a day. We're talking TV. Ready to sing the song? Ready. Let's sing it. We're talking to TV with MJ Holden and Jackie talk a TV and you know it's going to get wacky here.

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