Talkin' TV - I Like Boring
00:00Hey guys, this is Jackie Zabrowski from the Last Podcast Network,and ooh baby, do I have a juicy treat for you Law and Order SVU lovers out there?And it's a new parisocial relationship.Check out That's Messed up, an SVU podcast on the Exactly Right Network,hosted by two of my comedian friends, Kara Clank and Lisa Trager.Every week they break down an episode of Law and Order SVU,the true crime it's based on, and chat with an actor from the episode.I'm talking Margaret Cho, Matthew Lillard, and if you slip and slide at the thought of B.D. Wong,
00:34we'll get your ears prepared because it's getting wet out here.Check out, That's Messed Up, for all things SVU, unfiltered hot takes, and more.Again, that's That's Mess Up, an SVU podcast available wherever you get your beautiful podcasts.New apps every Tuesday, and that's not messed up.All right, it's a bad joke.TV with MJ Holden and Jackie talking TV.And you know it's going to get wacky.Because everybody knows and everyone knows.
01:16And everybody knows we're watching shows.We're talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie.Oh, babies, dead of the summer.That's right.What do we watch to keep us cool in the days and hot in the day.nights.Then we watchedthe curious case
01:38of the severed head.No.No.No.Rousse of ass.Unsolved mysteries.I did watch it.And yes,
01:49there's a head.And yes,there's a body,a body parttrade happening inanyone given hotelconference room,apparently.
01:59This is the thingabout unsolved mysteries.I don't want to know.Whatever they do find out,I don't want to know.Why is thismy favorite true crimeshow, it's so, so disturbing. Although my first thought with the severed head episode when they talked
02:13about the artist who recreated the head, I was like, someday when my children are older, I will tellthem that one way you can be an artist is by recreating a severed head as an artist.Use body parts. I'm not going to tell them that now. They're both aspiring artists. And so they'realways talking about what can you be as an artist and you could be a severed head recreater. But I'mnot going to tell them that now. There's just so many avenues with which to make a splash.And I need you guys to know, I want to give a quick shout out to Bree,Bree, who wrote in that did let us know, and I don't know if you guys knew this,that all 12 original seasons with Robert Stack are on YouTube for free.
02:54Thank you, Bree.I also wanted to let everybody else know that you can watch as much unsolved mysteriesas you can slurp into your gullet.YouTube, baby.Now, you will have to do, I imagine, have to deal with the ads unless you pay for YouTube premium, which is a nightmare.But, you know, maybe it's worth it just to slurp down just to get us through the rest of the summer.We need something to get us through the rest of the summer.Because the Olympics are gone.
03:22Of course, Talking TV comes out the day before the big page seven comes out, but we record Big Page 7 first.So you will hear on tomorrow's episode that we have been watching, almost exclusively watching the Olympics.And so here we are talking TV.We talked a lot about the Olympicsin the regular page seven episodes,so we won't talk about it here.But that, I mean, there's just nothing betterthan not having to think about what you're going to watch
03:48and you just turn on the Olympics.Right.Make them flip.Make them flap.Make them dance for me.Because I can't do any of that.And I love, unless, you know, we're talking Raygun,but we're not here to talk about Raygun.
04:03That's tomorrow.Although I will go ahead and say, try actually doing some of the moves.It is a little bit difficult, all right?It's constant movement.It's a difficult thing to do.Yeah, I know.I actually, there's, I'm so glad you said that because there is a really big part of methat wants to just try alone in a room to do it, you know, to just recreate Raygun's dance.
04:24Holden tried to do it last jack.I will say, even though I'm horrifically out of shape, I was breathing heavily, you know.Very difficult for him to do.Yes, absolutely. I will say, yeah, definitely, if you'd like to mimic it best, and I do thinkRaygun did employ this in their work, definitely, definitely take at least four to five shotsof fireball before attempting. It really, really helps, for sure. It really, really helps.No, no, I think that she was stone cold sober, which is actually insane. The fact that yourbody can do that while you're sober is miraculous.
05:02Think about what the human body can do.But I also, I'm going to throw it out there.I did finish season two, House of the Dragon.Got it all.You know what?I like it way more than I liked the first season.Yeah, Gideon, too.Gideon loved this season.
05:18Right?I really, really enjoyed this season.They have set it up for a huge battle season next season.And I am really, I'm enjoying it.And here's the thing.I'm getting a lot of feedback from people.that like, it's boring, it's boring.But here's the thing.
05:36I like boring.It's the procedural.It's like all the government stuff.Exactly.If it is like well-acted, good characters and also you give me some eye candy and there'sdragons.Like, I'll keep watching anything.You know what I mean?
05:52Yeah.The dragon, I mean, I saw somebody, somebody tweet me whenever the dragons show up on the showcalled House of Dragons.And it was like Lucille Bluth every time she sees Jean Parmer.Marijon, like, ah!Like, it's just like, the dragons are cool.I don't even care about the show.I sit in the room with Gideon while he watches it,
06:10and I look up every time the dragons come in.And, yeah, it seems like this season is like for the government.It's like the West Wing of Game of Thrones, right?It's just like, this is what the logistical, political difficulties are.And that's...We've got to figure it out.But then you also like Pepper and Emma Darcy.And again, I know, I feel like, I feel bad.
06:32for how hard I thirst for them, and it's probably might become a problem, but I don't followthem on any of the socials. I keep away from them. You're not harassing them. No, no, no. I just,I dreamed a dream of kissing Emma. And why can't I live that dream out? Many reasons,many reasons why I can't. But I will say Emma Darcy kills it, doing a great job. OliviaCook, killing it. It's just like hardcore bitches being hot.Co-up, bitches, and it's wonderful to watch.Yeah.Well, I will tell you what, you are in for a real treat, Jackie,
07:08because guess what?There are several Game of Thrones shows coming your way via Jeff.I won't.I can't.I can.I can.I can.I won't.
07:17I can.I can.I can.The sea stage.Jesus Christ.10,000 ships.It's like all the Star Wars offshoots.They never stop.
07:28Yeah, but if you look up, look up what Corlis, you know Corlis.MJ, the C-Snake.Yes.C-O-R-L-Y-S.If you look up Corlis, now that issomebody I'll keep coming back for.Well, the C-Sake is...Give me, give me the C-Snake show
07:45in development right now.If you were to...I can give me the C-Snake anytime.Absolutely.He's going to be apparentlygetting his own series.There are multiple...There are multiple animated
07:58and live-action showsin the works right now.It's some upsetting, I would even say.Some have been canceled, but...I don't want to watch them.I really, I can't.There's so many.I mean, now that I've watched the decamerin,
08:11I feel like maybe I can watch thingsthat are just about castles, you know,and we're all having a fight about...I don't know.I feel like the DeCamarin is like a soap opera,which is why it's fun to watch.But the whole thing is that it's medieval and fantasy.Like Jackie said,
08:28the decamarin is an exact combinationof what she's interested in,and what Jeff is interested in.And I feel like that's the same reason me and Gideon have been able to enjoy it.Yeah, and so you're digging it?Usually a period piece is just not my jam, you know?I've talked about this.I like struggle with Bridgeton.
08:42I even struggle with like the Pride and Prejudice movies and stuff.It's just not especially interesting to me.And I know that there's many different periods to do period pieces about.But I have, Gideon and I have been working our way through to the Cameron.I really like it.And maybe it's just because I find the Black Plague time period to be very fascinating.But it does kind of make me, I mean, House of the Dragon just feels like a little dry to me when the decamerin is like a...What?
09:11It's listed.No, the DeCamaran is wet.It is very, very wet.It's listed as a drama, but I was about to describe it as a comedy.It's a black comedy, I feel like.Yeah.But it is...But also, can we give it up for Amar Chata Patel?
09:24I know.I mean, talk about somebody that will keep you coming back to a show.This is a real deep...Wow.This will only make sense to people watching the DeCamron,but we are...I am currently, I'm recording from Vacation House,and right now, for the first two days,
09:42we've been here before any of the other family arrives,so it's just me and my family,and it's like in the woods,there's no one else around,so I keep walking around without a shirt on,which I don't, even though I've had top surgery,I don't usually do that in New York City beaches,she's not quite sure how I will be perceived...
09:55I'm so happy that you are, yes.It's been great, and I'm not, you know,I just am not sure how I would be receivedby the public if I do that publicly, but I also just keep wearing my pants really high becauseever since having kids, I wear my pants real high. So I'm topless wearing real high pants.And I would feel weird about it, except that's what DNAO does in the decamerin. And it's real sexy.So I'm like, thank you the de Cameron for showing me that there is a place for us who want towear real high pants and nothing on top. And it can be sexy. I bet you look great, MJ,
10:28especially just like, oh my God, amongst the green foliage.Especially because I feel like anytime I think about UMJ,I just think of like the concrete.I always think about the concrete when I think about UMJjust because of the New York keeps New Yorking all over you.Yeah, usually I'm surrounded by concrete,but here I am.Also, the house we're staying, it is like in the woods,
10:51but it's down like a path.There's down a path.So I'm basically pretending that I'm in the decamerin right now,for the plague and the masses of peasants that are going to try to break down the door.I'm like pretending that I'm living at a villa, you know, and that's fun.As you should, I feel like that like thinking about being secluded, honestly, kind of reminds meof the home, the like long driveway they had to take to get to the home where the six schizophrenicbrothers were.
11:20But don't think about that every time you go up and down the driveway.Don't worry.Staying in a secluded house, it turns out I actually feel.feel much safer, surrounded by all the concrete. Every night before I go to bed, I think aboutwhat ghosts are in the house. Hell yeah. I also think about what murderer could come here andhell yeah. And I think about all the, I just, it's very scary. It's scary being in a house in the woodsand I'm trying my hardest not to think about unsolved mysteries or the decamerin and the, you know,again, the horns of the mass is coming. I also, I mean, speaking of terror, it is still summer wean.
11:53And I did watch a video essay and it's by the same people that did that.the Garfield video essay that I was talking about last week.And it's by this, I mean, it's a dude called Super I Patch Wolf.I saw someone recommended this.We've been getting great video essay recommendations from listeners.Thank you guys so much.This one is about, it's called social anxiety horror.I didn't mean to say, dude, this person just put out a new documentary called
12:21Social Anxiety Horror.And it's about the different kinds of horror that exists nowadays.that used to not.And essentially it's the three principles ofhumiliation,perception of yourself,and paranoia.And they go through
12:40using like back to back,like backing it with real social experimentsabout how horroruses these ideas of like,you know, let's say like the horror,like the social horror of someone sayingthey're going to release a tapeof you taken without your knowledge.
13:00The social horrorof like people talkingbehind your back about likeit's like talking about all different. And so it'sall these little storiesas well as social experimentsas well as includingmovie examples
13:15that explain that back upwhat they're talking about.And it was so fascinating.And I was just like you're right.Because as you get older,the ideaof what is scary to you changes.Like the way that I feel like a dirty photo of me now being put out, I don't know if I would
13:40be as upset.I mean, depending on the photo or depending on the video, as I would have been when you're like16.Right.You know, in the way that it changes over time.And so it was also like the psychology behind social anxiety horror.That's fascinating.Yes.
13:57and from someone that's not a professional, but they were like, and said that a couple of times,but it was like just pointing out fascinating facets of horror.And I really liked it.Yeah, we've been hearing from tons of people who are in video essay town, and it's really fun.Thank you guys.Please keep them coming, especially the psychology ones.I've been getting into the psychology ones and really losing myself.Yeah, I feel like I'm with the video essays and now with watching D&D, uh,
14:27dreams as well. I'm like eight years behind, but I have finally, you know, we did an episode on it,but it's one of those where I got into it based off a Whizber episode and now it's stickingwhere I like kept watching it after we were done recording, which is a huge testament because usuallyI kind of leave it behind and move forward. Critical role. We did an episode on it recently forWizard and the Bruiser, so I've started to watch their campaign too. If you're interested in a place tostart, there's entire YouTube videos online and whereto start with Critical Role because they have three full campaigns, all collected, all on YouTube.They're still currently streaming their third campaign, but they're like already 100 episodes into it.
15:09The first campaign not only starts with a lot of like technical issues, there's also a shittyplayer that they had to remove via every D&D game has to have that one guy that brings the wholetable down and they had to get rid of them 27 episodes in. But also they start in the middle of theircampaign because they were running a house game. We're talking about Matt Mercer's as the DM runningTabletop D&D 5th edition with a slew of talented voice actors and all of different types,all of different skills. So this is like, this is the Olympics of D&D. You know what I mean?There's a few really good ones out there. There's also Dimension 20, which I'm definitely downto get into. But for now... I'm really enjoying Dimension 20. But also I think it's because I've
15:56fallen in love with all of the people that.at work at dropout, so now I'm down to watch them play.D&D, as I learn more about the world of D&D.Okay, wait, I need to, what, so how does Gideon watch this?Tell me about exactly.So critical role, what I would say for critical role, what people, either people suggest,if you want to start in the first campaign, they suggest starting around the time whenthe guy leaves that sucks, which is around, I believe, episode 27.
16:22Okay.But most say, hey, why, Maya is,well start with campaign two, because then it starts in the very beginning with all new characters.And the tech is totally fully up and it's all good. Also, there's Vox Machina, which is, and this is thegreatest testament. This is the greatest success you could have with a Tabletop D&D campaign.There is a Amazon Prime animated show called Vox Machina, which is an adaptation of their first campaign.Really?The animation is very good. And it's all.
16:57already has a season three on the way.And that is a really good way to experience the first campaign if you want to go back.So I suggest, and I'm having a really good time with the second campaign, which is allcollected on a playlist.But I'm telling you, MJ, it is like 140 episodes sessions.Well, Gideon is a second screen guy.I'm not.But he would put this on while he works and he would love it.
17:22Yes, that is what it is doing for me.So I just showed off my Starry Night Lego that I completed while watching Critical Role on my TV.MJ and Jackie said nothing about it.We said, wow.That is something.You didn't have your headphones on.We were both asking questions about it.Okay, to me, it seemed like y'all were just in some sort of stunned silence or hated it.
17:48And it was an odd admiration silence.Yes.You built a Lego.Stride Night was a really cool build.It was a lot more intricate.At first I was a little bogged down by it,but it kind of got cooler as it wentbecause I was dealing with like multiple shades of,
18:04like five or six different shades of blue,but trying to make sure it was the right piece for the right.I mean, much more.Building Legos is the opposite of relaxing to me.So I'm so happy for you that this is.It makes me anxious.It makes me upset.It's like putting together an IKEA furniture.
18:20You're like, no.I have this reading light that goes around my neckthat I turn on.and it's very peaceful to me.It's very zen.We just, we lay everything outand we get everything outand we have something nice on the screen.
18:32And your toddler doesn't mess with it?You have a toddler-proof area.This is my nighttime hour.This is my relax.But you have to have the right thing on the screenbecause, like, I tried to do like falloutand it's so visual.You kind of need to pay more attention.
18:47But yeah, that's why Critical Role hit the sweet spotboth for by video gaming pleasureand for Lego.And shout out.to that.I feel like a hundred years oldthat I'm sorry for listeners who areif it feels frustrating.
19:02But like between this,you describing this,Jackie describing dropoutand then also like just gettinglike learning about the world of video essays.It's like I truly feel like somebodywho has just learned to watchMike entertainment in a certain way,
19:18which is like from networks and apps.It's like showing your parents how Netflix live like live streaming.That is 100% how I feel.I'm like, wow, it is a whole channel that's just about an ongoing D&D game.And it's like, I'm very excited that talking TV has been an avenue for us, not only to talkabout what we're watching on streaming services, but for also, for me to learn about the otherways people watch things, you know, like in the different, the role of YouTube.And it's just, it's very fascinating, very new to me.
19:51Yeah.It's been around for a minute.I mean, Critical Role started.2015. Oh yeah. This has been happening for, this is, we are late to it. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.Yeah. I'm quite late. We're late. But that has taken up a lot of my time just because I've had towatch it for research. But shout out's a critical role, man. That's some, it's some entertainment.It's, man, because they're making it up as they go along, but they're all really good at doingthe voices and everything. And also, I just have to call this out. I pulled up Netflix to like
20:22remember what I'm watching. All good stuff. Shout out. Salama.Malama. Great series. Matt Ripe just released a, the first ever crowdwork special. Blow myfucking brains out, dude. This is where we're at with stand-of-comedy these days. I knew it wascoming because the fucking TikTok has ruined a lot of things for me. And stand-of-comedy is starting tobecome one of them because it made everything about crowdwork because everybody just wants thatcute crowdwork moment to happen. Because that's what goes viral. And I think maybe I even need to watch this,because he put out a stand-up special that kind of bombedthat was just him trying to do actual stand-up
21:00and he tried to make it all edgy for like the Rogan brosand it kind of bombed.And so now it's like, no, no, no, do what you do best, Matt.You got popular being pretty on TikTok,repeating the facts of people's lives back at them.Let's do that for an entire hour on Netflix.So opposite shout-offs to that.Maybe it's good.
21:20I don't know.Maybe it'll change my mind.But I just had to, it just took my, it just took my,attention too much. I had to bring this up. I can't believe we're doing crowdwork pressure.Yeah, that's interesting. It's so stupid. Completely changed. You know, he sold it. Someone bought it.Somebody bought it. So much money. Holden. Spent so much money. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.On Wizard and the Bruiser, we find all those crazy little moments in geek history that made the things we loveinto inescapable cultural behemates. If you love video games, movies, comics, and anime, this is the LPN show for you.
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22:11Ooh, we would love it if you did that.Oh, that would help us out so much.God, wouldn't you love to do that?Don't I sound like the kind of person you want to help?Like, hit the button.Like, just do it.But that's why maybe don't spend your time watching that.Instead, ask yourself, what if Squid Game could occur, but for viral fame?
22:32And that is the reality show, the influencer, Netflix's new Korean reality show.I am sucked in.I was about to be like, Jackie, we've already talked about that on Taki TV, but no, we actuallywatched the trailer on Jack and with the Holdies, and it was quite compelling.Yes, dude, the influencer.So this is like, think of it in the world of what physical 100 did for you or at least did for me in like just opening up your brain to what the idea of strength is.And this show is what is the idea of being viral and being having fans?Really?
23:20And what does that mean?Does it mean you're the most beloved?Does it...Is it about being charismatic?So, is it?Uh-huh.Because that's the thing, MJ.It starts with 77 different influencers.
23:36Okay.And the phrase, like the idea of what an influencer is, is very vast.So you're watching people from all different parts of Korea's, like,entertainment system. So you have like actual celebrities. You have TikTok stars. You havemuckbang stars. You've got streamers. You've got drag stars. You've got someone who is mute,like a character who is mute. It's all different kinds of characters. And so like the firstepisode is an hour and a half. And I will let you know that like the first, I think 35 minutes ofit is just introducing people.
24:22So, I mean, it's a lot to take in.But the first challenge, they have these collars on.Oh, my God.It's so like it's a black mirror.It's like the black mirror episode with Bryce Dallas Howard, where you have a collar on thatshows how many fans you have, like how many followers you have on your largest platform.But then it changes like it.It's a two, just like a $300 million dollar.
24:52won prize. And so it converts your followership to the amount of money you're worth via the jackpot.So it is a consistently you're knowing how much you are worth or how much you're not worth.And the first challenge is you have 15 likes and 15 dislikes and you have two hours.Give them out.and you don't knowlike so of course you assume like oh all thelike you want all good onesbut do you? Uh-huh.
25:28And how would you get them?And it's using people's actual audiencesit's not like a simulatedbecause you were describing itand you were like as like a little bitIt's just them.The way that the circle, you know,is like a creates an alternate social media platform
25:41but you're talking likewhen it has their foulers,just their actual real likearound their neckand they have on the internetbut not part of a separate,game. It's just... Correct. They have a, they're real followers, and then they've got a phone that I'mcertain is a fake phone, like, from the reality show where they can, like, scan their neck collars
26:00to get, like, introductions to each of them. So, like, you don't even have to talk toanybody if you don't want to. You can just come up, scan their collar, look at their intro,give them a like or a dislike. Uh-huh. Wow. Or it's like, is it better to get attention? Is itbetter not to get attention.Uh-huh.What is it, what is the qualifier?So, like, that's just the first episode.So it's the idea is how do we manipulate and what is being an influencer?
26:31Uh-huh.It's so, like, definitely one of those shows that I'm like, oh, we finally hit the end.Like, this is, this is the bottom of the barrel that we're watching this.And yet, I can't stop.And I think that this is actually, this will go, I mean, maybe.maybe not for Gideon, but Holden as like your second screen show.Sure.Because of course, I'd rather just watch it with the subtitles on, but it is pretty funny
26:57listening to the voice work done over.So I've got the captions on as well as it dubbed because I just like to hear the fundubbing versions of stuff.Yeah, totally.And Physical 100 was the same.And, you know, it was, it's, you get used to it.It's real, real bad though.But something I did not expect, which makes.
27:18so much sense, but I never thought about it before. Think about the world of comedy that like peoplethat aren't comedians don't usually think about the fact that like oftentimes improv people don'treally like sketch people or stand up people don't like improv and sketch people or like it reallydepends on what facet. That certainly comes into play in the idea of what an influencer is becausepeople really look down on short form content like TikTok people versus a YouTuber.But here's the thing.The TikTokers, because it is like international platform in a different way, I guess when it comes to like the followership, I don't know exactly like the behind the magic of that.But they have way more followers than the other people.
28:08So they have all the influence.But they all openly dislike them because they're.short form content creators.I think what sounds so cool about it to me is that it's like trying to name and study andmaybe quantify something that we have been living.We've been living in the world of content creation and influencers for years now.We know it's almost like when they were doing the Senate hearings on porn and they said,you know, I can't describe it, but I know it when I see it.
28:36You know, it's like we know what it means to be an influencer, but we, it's not really somethingthat you can exactly quantify.Like, even Jackie and I were talking on a live stream recently about how whenever somebody asks us what we do, we don't know what to say.There's like no way to answer.That's not embarrassing.Lou and Jackie of all trades.Yeah, because like, honestly, I don't know if it is the same in New York, but I imagine it is.I feel like in L.A., every single person has a podcast.
29:04Right.And to say you're a podcaster, even though we've been podcasting before anybody even knew what podcasts were.But it's so it is just like, I'm a podcaster.But somebody suggested saying content creator.And I was like, I don't identify as a content creator at all because to me, those arepeople who like, right, make videos on the internet.And it's always the consistent wheel of it.It's the constant churning.
29:26Right, right.But yeah, so it's hearing you describe the show and naming it like it is an art form, right?Oh, yeah.But we don't think of it that way.We think.And also it's something that we really talk about with disdain.Like, oh, it's like that there's the mommy influencers and there's the fitnessinfluencers.
29:44And I think sometimes we have a disdain because of what phones have done to our lives.And then other times we probably have disdain because oftentimes certain types of thesefields are dominated by women.And so there's like some misogyny there when it comes to how we talk aboutcertain types of influencers.And there's just, it's such a fascinating and cultural moment that we've been in for years,but it's something that I haven't really seen articulated.I'm sure that there is other work like this, but to see it like gamified.
30:12sounds fascinating.I am.The weirdness with it all,and I mean,it's even happening nowwith Mr. Beast,and it happens with everyone,everyone has their like,
30:23cross to bear with this shit.These are just people.They worked their waythrough, like,the social currency of social mediato get where they're at.There was no vetting process.There was no, you know,
30:36I mean.No acting school.No.Like the way that there is.I always talk about how, like,I remember when Henrybefore he started,of getting like major acting roles.
30:44He had all these meetings with different like studio heads and stuff.And it was really this whole series of just lunches where not even real much business wasbeing discussed.It was literally just like, are you a person who will not represent this studio in a dog shitway?Are you a sane, reasonable human being?You know what I mean?Because I mean, geez, what do we just see with Jonathan Majors on the MCU?
31:12You know what I mean?It's like you take these risksand if something like that goes downyou lose millions of dollarswhereas these influencesOr like in the case of Ezra Millerwhere they just put it out nowwhich also was terrible idea.
31:26So you know these are justthese people who come out of nowhereand all of a sudden we're just likeI hate to keep bringing her up over and over herebut like it's just like the Hawk to a girlyou're the deal now Raygunyou're just the deal nowand we're all going to be talking about you
31:38God knows what the hell they've donebefore or what they're realleanings are and you just hope for the best with these people, but they are bizarrely,like, what is it with humans and needing someone to, like, follow? You know what I mean?And we saw it in high school and middle school. There was always the leader of the pack.There was always the most popular person in school, you know, that was kind of that everyonewanted to be like. And there's always that going on. And then this isn't a much larger scale.And then these people end up being fucking dirt bags. And often, I feel like the influence
32:11the biggest fields of influencing.I mean, I am somebody who I've been a parent for six years.I have been extremely influenced myself in good ways and in very bad ways by parentinfluencer content.And you've been under the influence while parenting as well.And I'm under the influence the whole time.No, but like I've been thinking a lot about the role of parent influencers and parent contentcreators because that's something that was just kind of initially just seen as like a total
32:39gift and now has been, it's like, it's kind of become like a slow motion horror thing, right?Like, yeah.The Ruby Frankie is an extreme example, but the way there's, you know, there's a new law inMinnesota now about content creators who use their children's images have to share the profit,100% of the profits with them if they use their children for more than 30% of their content.But anyway, it's, I feel like the, Holden, you talking about like the, the, shouldn't therebe the opposite that it's like, I know that the children should get paid,But shouldn't it be more of like a they shouldn't be used?
33:12I think the goal is to disincentivize it, right?Oh, okay.So if you use even, if even 30% of your content is your children,you have to pay 100% of your profits to your children.So I think the idea is to disincentivize it.But parent influencer world is going crazy about this.Crazy.Because many people have built their entire incomes
33:34and supporting their entire lives on employing their family.they're using their children, right?Which...What about the dog fluencers?The dogs deserve all the money too.And I always laugh the most at thetrad wife in fluencersbecause they're all trying to be like,
33:51I'm a traditional wife.I just want to stay at home and be a homemaker.And it's like all of the work they're putting in to...It's a job.It's a whole ass job what you're doingto be this influencer.And you're acting like you're not a working woman.But the bubble is kind of bursting on that too, right?
34:06Because there was just that Times storyabout Valerina Farm that just basically made her look like she was kind of a hostage in her ownhome.Sure.And then she was like, I'm not.I want to do this.So anyway, what you're point holding about like people kind of needing someone to follow?I feel like the corners of influencer world that I'm in are the ones that are exploiting people
34:31who are like, as a parent, I was, when I became a parent, I was like terrified.I was, I didn't know what I was doing.I felt like I needed help.Yeah.And so I, I, and so I was like, this, this, this parent influencer will tell me what to.And now it's like, it's like, the fog is lifting.And I'm like, oh, I don't like have to listen to these people.Right.
34:52You know what I mean?Like they haven't written a book that has been, not that I mean books aren't factchecked, unfortunately.So that's not even, but it's, right.It's like, what authority do you have?That's it.Yes.Even back in the day, my mom tells me that, like, she's like, I didn't know how to be a parent.
35:06So my mom would read parents.parenting books and then seek out, but like she lived in New York, so she would go to lecturesby the people that would write the books to learn how to parent because she had no idea.But like that was the beginning, I feel like, of the parent influencers of like, what do you do when like,well, you certainly didn't learn how to be a parent from your parents. Where are you supposed to go?But then, but now we're in this hell where it's like, okay, I trust this person. Like this is,this, this bitch is the bitch.going to help me through this. And then, you know, you're watching their content and they'll be like,
35:41I trust Airbnb for my family vacation. And it just immediately takes me out of the world, you know,like, because every, and I get it. We all, you know, it's a, we're in an ad-based economy now.Oh, yeah, got to make them duckets. Got to make the, got to make the money. So it's not even a judgment,but it is like, it's just like, okay, so now I'm here. I follow dozens, if not more of accounts ofpeople using their own children's real images, telling me advice about how I should parent,and then one out of four of their slides is them being like, Hickory Farms Bacon feeds my family.You know, and it's just like, do I trust you or do I not, you know what I mean?And so it's, it's this, it is the world we have been living in for so long, and it seemed
36:24just kind of invisible for a while because it happened so gradually. And now it's like, yeah,let's actually name this that this is the entertainment landscape.in. And then there are really cool pros about it. And then there's also like some real sinister stuff toit too. Oh, yes. Very much so. Just the idea that like, you know, bad press is still good press and like that,like the whole world of that existing of just like, oh, yucky. It's such like a, a minefieldof people and choices. And you're just like, all right, guys, you're just going to do you. And it's like,I know I'm a good person, but I know that there's a lot of bad people out there.Yeah.
37:05And I live in fear, but I did not live in fear while watching the Jojo Siwa horror movie that cameout a couple of months ago.Excuse me?It is called hashtag all my friends are dead.And I saw that Jojo Siwa was in a horror movie.So I was like, well, I immediately have to watch it.And I went out and I was like, oh, I have to rent it for $6.99.Well, doing it for the stories, babe.
37:33Let me save you.$6.99, everybody.Can I just save you?Save you from yourself.I'm not saying that you shouldn't watch it if it is free.I am saying don't spend $6.99 to rent it.Not even for the lulls?Not for the lulls.
37:50I will say for, Jeff and I had a blast.It is a dumb horror movie filled with dumb.idiots that you can't wait to watch die. It is short. It is dumb. It isn't bad. And I don't know whyfor some reason it has like a 60 something percent on rotten tomatoes. That's why I watched it.I was like, okay, I'm intrigued. Middling reviews. Let's see how it goes. And it is bad,but not like, yes, bad. You know what I mean?free fun. If it is free, definitely check it out because it is just fun. You can tell that they shotJojo Siwa out and it's very funny that like they're like, but Jojo Siwa's in it. It's like,
38:45I was brought in and I just needed to protect everyone from spending $699 because the following day we had the opposite horror movie watchingexperience and that was going to seeKuku, Kuku,Kuku, Kuku,Kuku. This is good.I'm going to go see Koku.It is great.It is great. And if you listen to me
39:10talk over on side stories,Henry and Eddie had me onan episode of side stories to talk abouthorror movies. And if there's one thing I sayabout horror movies all the time, it isthat try something new,babe. Give me something different.And this movie did.
39:26It is a monster movie.and in a way that was fun.And Hunter Schaefer is great in it.And Jeff had only seen Hunter Schaefer in like the small bit part in kinds of kindness.And she did a great job in that.But I was like, oh, you didn't see euphoria.You forget that like Hunter Schaefer is very good at being upset.And Hunter Schaefer goes through a lot in this movie.
39:54And I've seen the trailer 35.times because it has been playing in front of every movie. But I will say worth it, really enjoyedit, had a fun smile on my face. Also, funny. It's a good blend, because that's a thing.Hashtag all my friends are dead. It is a dark comedy. Yeah. So that, it was silly, but it alsowasn't funny. Cuckoo's actually funny. There are points that, like, I think the whole audiencewas surprised to laugh. It's fun. And it was, uh, I,Right afterwards, Jeff was like, man, so predictable.And I looked at him with a crazy look and he's like, I'm joking.
40:35I'm off to be joking.It's like, oh, okay, great.I really liked Cuckoo.Until I started talking to you, until we started talking TV, I didn't realize how frequently they are putting out horror films throughout the summer.I feel like you've been seeing a horror film every week.Well, usually in the summer, that's where the, you know, the not quote, you know, the blockbusters or the Gore Fest.That's usually when they drop.But this year is a particularly very good year for hold on.
41:03It really is.They're killing it this year.And I think a lot of stuff got released.And I've really been enjoying myself.It's funny because at the same time, while we're going through Summer Ween,Jeff is also currently working on a D&D campaign Holden that is summer camp themed.So we've started our summer camp movie watching because Jeff was like, I don't think I've watched a lot of summer camp movies.And I was like, well, have you seen heavy weights?
41:33And he's like, no.And I said, oh, this evening we're watching heavy weights.And we did.And it holds the fuck up.I would say, MJ, don't show it to your children.I will say in that capacity, not, it is kind of scary.and I don't know if you're familiar with heavyweights,but heavy weights was one of my favorite movies growing up.
41:56Really?Have you ever seen it?No.Holden?Nope.Wow.Or like maybe on HBO or something like that,yeah, maybe on HBO or something like that,
42:04but it never,I don't have like a memory of it in a mighty ducks way.Gotcha.And I do wonder.And write in if you also were weirdly obsessed with heavy weights,but let me know if you were plus size or if you weren't.Because I am curious, Henry and I love, love, love,Love, love, love this movie.
42:23And for those of you that don't know,this movie is about fat kids going to fat camp.And Ben Stiller plays the owner of the camp.And he's very funny in it.But not a family.Not a family movie for my, for little kids age, yeah.Or discuss, you know, the idea of like plus-size people.Right, right.
42:47And just discuss the, you know, and just discuss the,because we talked to Jake Young about Fat Camp,and he only says the greatest things about Fat Camp.Yeah, it was great.You got to kiss girls in Fat Camp.Yeah, he's like, the girls, they want to kiss you.Hang out with people, you know, together.That understand you, and, like, you're not just the fat person.
43:07Like, everybody's fat, so you actually feel included for the first time.And there's actually, like, lots of fun.But this is a negative portrayal of a Fat Camp.Got it.Got it.It is funny and fun.And I was nervous it wasn't going to hold up.But again, don't worry, guys.
43:28It does.Hell yeah.Hell yeah.I'm going to try to make my family watch Mrs.Doubtfire tonight.So I'll report back and see if that happens.Whoa.I enjoyed it.
43:36I watched it not too long ago.I thought it was fun.I think it was like, really, Mrs. Doubtfire?I was like, I mean, I, but it's just that Robin Williams's character is, is insane and should be, you know,the horror movie, like,the edit of the trailer is...It's not like Ace Ventura's trans panic at the end.To me, because to me it's drag.
43:53It's not like a trans panic movie.It's like a drag thing.But I'll find out.I just remember, because we watched Aladdin last night and they were like,who's the voice of the genie?I was like, oh, children, I've got to introduce you to Robin Williams.So maybe...It's just so funny because Pierce Bronson character who's supposed to be
44:11like the villain or something is like the greatest guy ever.A better dad. Yeah.Yeah, yeah.He's just trying to be nice.is horrible.Start for the very beginning.The thing that gets him in trouble in the first place is insane.He brings a bunch of animals into the house.
44:27I'm going to choose.There's a huge party.There's a huge party.There's so many good.I just have to introduce them to Robin Williams now because of the genie.So that was the first one that came to my mind.But I'll think about it.And hopefully I'll have more to report back next week.
44:39Sprinkle little flubber in there.Little flubber.I feel like I bring up flubber all the time.You do.I don't think I've seen it since it.came out. So please do a little research for me, MJ.Okay. Don't, you know, you could show them one hour photo. Talk about sprinkling it in.If you want to show them what Robin Williams could really do, you know, show them what
45:02dreams may come. I'll show them. I think goodwill hunting. Yeah. You know, just understand.So good. Teach them now what an influencer used to be. All right. Goodwill hunting.Or Robin Williams's episode of Law and Order SVU. That's what I'll start. There you go. You got tosomewhere, baby.And I guess I don't need to talk about me watching Hellboy for the first time because myhusband loves the movie Hellboy and he was very excited to show me Hellboy.Nice.It's fun.
45:30It's silly.All right.I say, we call it a day.We're talking TV.Ready to sing the song?Ready.Let's sing it.We're talking to TV with MJ Holden and Jackie talk a TV and you know it's going to get wacky here.
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