Page 7 - Talkin' TV - I Want To Believe

Episode Date: November 20, 2024

This week on Talkin' TV "Golden Bachelorette" is wrapping up, much like the lives of the sadness goblins on the show BUT WILL WE GET THE TELEVIZED WEDDING!? Jackie continues the transition out of 31 for 31, Holden's making Mean Girl-esque plans to sabotage the group of 'California Dads' at Wynnie's school so he's no longer the "fat" one, MJ brings dark news of the Chuck E Cheese near them droppin' booze of the menu, Jackie had a true kino filmic experience with M Night's "OLD" and surely will one day recover from another Shyamalanian twist, Holden and MJ report back their thoughts on "Deadpool & Wolverine"! Jackie is all caught up on "House of Villains" till the new episode drops, and Holden is ready for more NEW YORK after finishing his "Flavor of Love 2" watch along on Twitch! MJ and Jackie hear the call to return to "Real Housewives of Salt Lake City" but aren't sure they want to answer to call. Holden is the only one still workin' on "Agatha All Along", but everyone can agree it's amazing, plus Jackie gives a brief review of "Heretic" from the theatre and more!!! Golden Bachelorette - HuluOld - PeacockDeadpool and Wolverine - Disney+House of Villains Season 2 - PeacockAgatha All Along - Disney+Heretic - IN THE THEATAHHHHHHHH Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

with MJ Holden and Jackie talking TV And you know it's gonna get a wacky Because everybody knows and everyone knows And everybody knows no I show us We're talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie Oh we're talking TV And man, it is so funny how different it is Of what I am watching from October to November

And that is not usually the case It just happens to be this. specific November, I just haven't been in the mental place to handle anything with too much substance. Yes, 100%. So we are, yeah, we're all watching. Well, but that, you know, I beg to differ a little bit, Jackie, because it is time for us to finally wrap up our Golden Bachelorette review. Are you saying that this is high-level television? But it is a lot of weeping and sadness about dying and being alone and you know this even you know and and bad music a bad song that's now in my head love is wrist I don't even think of that I'm thinking we are the mansion men something something you know what

you mean it's been a brutal watch I feel traumatized by golden bachelorette also that song is not any worse than any other music they play in any of these shows sure I will go with you one that's the worst music for sure yeah god and I will say I'll I'll get that there soon, but jumping back into 90-day fiance, man, you forget. Terrible. How bad that music is. I want to make that music so badly.

I'd love to sit. If I could just learn keyboard enough, so I'd be like, he loves you, but he cries. You know, I'd just give me the opportunity to sit and make my own music, which is what maybe I do when I sit by myself. So, spoiler alerts

for the Golden Bachelorette. We are spoiling the ending of the Golden Bachelorette starting now. Chalk is evil. He is a, he's wearing a mask. It's so obvious when he cries during the meeting, the family thing. And then afterwards, I'm like, you wrote this. This is a script you're reading off of when he's like, I don't normally get that emotional Joan,

but I had it just slipped out of me. You know, I don't like an emotional tone. She's like, well, I appreciate your emotions. I was hoping that Joan would choose herself. Yeah. And I think she showed up. I think, Holden, you are a man that lies. And that's why all you see is a man filled with lies.

Wow. What do I lie about? I don't know. I don't know what you lie about. Is that what you're saying? I don't know what you lie about. All I'm saying is I feel like I see something. I just feel like.

If you are so quick to say what a lie your chalk is, do you know how difficult it is to meet your new partner's kids? And then on top of it, do it live on national television. And the kids, too, I'm like, are you all animatronics? I feel like I'm a chunky cheese. The son just like, after a brief amount of time, I feel that this man will be a suitable, you know, recruit to the family. It's just like, what is.

Imagine what they are going through. They also just lost their father. They lost your phone. But also they're probably like, I don't want to be my mom's primary emotional support. So could it be you, Chaw? Yeah. Do you want this Chalk?

Can it be you? That's you're right. That's what they feel. They're just like just get this sad, lonely woman, you know, and pump her, I'm sorry to say this, pump her vagina. Well, that's nice for her. I want, I want, old semen. Yeah, whatever.

I mean, you know, I don't know if she can still make a baby. I'm going to assume she can't. So I guess goosh away and you do you. But does Joe? but does Joan do anal. I don't know. Can we talk about this? I don't think Chalk does anal.

We should be a civilized country. Yeah, please. It's not anymore. I can do this all day long. This is what, you know, this is it now. Apparently also, Chalk is not a name that has anything to do with the, you know, Kansas City sportsmen teams. According to Chalk, it was.

I hate the name. Just because he has been called Chalk since he is two years old. It's not his fault, Holden. All right? His name is Charles, and he never liked the name Chuck. So he went by chalk instead. I think that's a made-up story. Yeah, it sounds like a caveman's name.

It does sound like a caveman's name. I mean, this is the best case scenario. Even if they don't really love each other. It's crazy that they do it in different cities. I've been thinking about this since last week. Right? You're so right that they should all be city-based. But even if they don't love each,

other. Isn't this the best case scenario? They can, they're hot. They seem to enjoy each other's time. I don't know. I mean, I've, I had a wonderful conversation years ago with some older people who were like, I, who had been married and had kids and everything and then they met later in life and they were like, this is actually the best love that I've ever had. And I think about that all the time when we watch Golden Bachelor. I'm like, it would actually be amazing to make it to like 60. They know themselves better than you've ever known yourself in your whole life. Like, Yeah. I mean, in the same way that I feel like people are starting to really truly be like, why do you have to go to college at the age of 18 when you most likely have no idea what you want to do for your life?

In the same way of like, yeah, you only get to know yourself more. So as you get older, you know, as someone that found love in my 30s, I feel, I know that I'm not at a Jones place. But think of how much more I would know myself if I was Jones age. Yes. And I think that essentially what they are both looking for is companionship, right? And I think, I don't know, I just, I, is it, is it forever love? Is it meant to be? I don't really care.

If they're happy with each other. Right. Then that's, you know, then enjoy it. Like, enjoy yourself. I think the hard, I think we have established that the hardest thing about certainly dating at that age, but also based on what we hear from people when we do our like dating profile reviews and even when we just talk to people, in our communities, I feel like the hardest thing is meeting people, right? So I feel like unfortunately what these shows have to offer is facilitated meeting.

Yes. And I don't know how to, like that is what people need. They need to figure out how to meet each other. And I know that people do speed dating. Well, you got to go to the, yeah. You need a community. You got to do a community. Yeah, right.

Like the villages or whatever version of that. You know what I mean? Or volunteering. So you're always meeting new people. You know, we talk about this a lot as well. with people that are childless and how it's so difficult to maintain friends as well as make new friends because oftentimes people that have children make friends with the other people that have children in their lives. And those are the people you're more around. Holden, you were just talking about the birthday party you went to over the weekend. I'm devastated. I'm officially the fattest dad of my dad of the dad group at my school because they're all LA dad. So they're all like fit and smiling. And, not hungover and like all these kind of confusing things to me personally that I'm just like they smell good and they're not sweating and you know they're eating the wraps that were served not the domino's

pizza that was served for the children yeah yeah yeah kind of thing and yeah and I just it's a I guess it's a wake-up call but I don't want to be them because for some reason that they make me sad so I don't You can't become them. You never will. No. You got to find a dad who's as closest to you who has a kid in Winnie's class. Yeah, who's like more, I need a, who's more slovenly, or I'll start trying to feed the dads. I was like, why don't we have a snack group where we all get together and we just feed each other.

They're probably all paleo or something. So I'm not the fattest dad. It's either that or lose the weight and I refuse. Yeah, no, you don't need to do that. Wow. It is a L.A. cultural problem. Yes. It is a problem with the culture of the people here.

Yeah, it's too nice outside so people want to be outside and do things that are good for your body or whatever. I know. And be healthy. And all these kinds of things, they know that if they are not healthy, that they'll die sooner, you know. I was just really excited and it really went to show that I was the childless person at the child's birthday party because I got really excited because here there's this place that makes really, really big pizzas, like pizzas that are so big they don't fit inside of the car. So you have to like strap them to the top of the car.

Like that's what these delivery drivers do. And I was so excited because I always wanted to eat one of the really big pizzas. And at the kids party, I was like, oh my God, they've got the really big pizzas. And then a friend of mine came over who has older kids. It was like, yeah, they get the big pizzas at all the parties. You'll understand that you eat the pizza. It's not that good. but then you go to the party.

You always got to go to the party. You got to eat the pizza. I was like, you sound dead on the inside. I love this for you. It's beautiful. I was just excited about the pizza. Yeah, man. Chalk is evil and I stand by that.

I don't think he's evil. Okay, he's killed one person at least, bro. Please, can we stop this madness? He's sad. All right. His mom died. Sure. Chuckie cheese, stop serving alcohol.

I need to add that to the part kid party discourse. What? The Atlantic Mall, Chuckie Cheese, in Brooklyn, New York used to serve alcohol. It doesn't anymore. It doesn't anymore. It doesn't anymore. What's the point of going to the chucky cheese?

They lost their liquor license. Yeah. You go for the children. F that, dude. Hell no. Hell no. Need them drinking. Yeah.

No more drink. Honestly, we saw, at first we saw that there was no more alcohol. We were like, there must have been an incident and we need to know what it was. But upon further investigation, it sounds like they just lost their liquor license. Wow. Don't you think that? that probably there was also an incident. I'm sure.

Yeah. There was an incident. And that's fun. There is no way. A child got inebriated and that is fine and we'll move on. I think maybe a dad got too an abrid and got upset about like a clogging.

Like falling into like I imagine just like covered and frosting and he's going as he falls into the ball pit. He's like, oh, they kick it out of the ballgame to like steal a bunch of stuff or whatever. Got him. I mean honestly that was a very similar

situation last year that I went to my husband's like work did a party at Dave and Busters and man I became feral at the Dave and Busters. Yeah. I just, man, I wanted to get as many tickets as I could. Yeah, it's adults unleashed at David Busters. Oh yeah. It certainly is, but I'm sorry. Golden Bachelorette. I, so we still don't know. It's over. We still don't know if there's going to be a televised wedding or not, because because it's cute because chalk left it up to her to decide.

Oh, is that something they do? Oh, yeah. I want to talk about that real quick, too, is the difference between, so I'm new to the Bachelor-Bachelorette thing, which I know is crazy. It's like the longest run. It's insane how long it's been running and the fandom is feverish. They do things very differently from what I'm used to with these other shows, especially the tell-all.

The tell-all happening before the final decision. And then the final decision being, like, televised in a theater for, Everybody is so weird to me. Like all of that stuff is so bizarre the way they handle it. And then like how they like, and they don't even give you a week off like 90 day. They're like, no, no. And here's the trailer for the next season. Oh, yeah.

Here's the Bachelor. And my question you guys too is, are you moving forward with more Bachelor? Are you going to try the younger person, Bachelor, Bachelorette stuff? Does that intrigue you? I feel daunted by all this. Yeah. Same thing. It's like they can't, it's like, I'm trying to think of what the analogy is. They don't let you go. Yeah, they don't let you stop. They're like, before you go, here's more Bachelor.

And I found the length of the episodes to be daunting. I found the expansion of the universe. Everybody's like nosy. The first few episodes, I was like, why did somebody talk like they know Joan? To me, it's very uncanny valley too. The way everyone was like so in love with Joan, I kind of want to see like, what? what the like how different that particular season was from other ones because I'm just kind of floored by. I'm like, how are all of these people this in love? You know, how,

how are, right, does that happen every season? Is everybody universally attracted to the one bachelorette or bachelor every single time? Yeah, I was asking my chat. I was like, was there a season where there was like a shitty one?

You know, like a shitty bachelor bachelor bachelor. One of my favorite things about Daisy of love. She was a spin-off character from Rock of Love. She was like a hair metal, groupie girl that got who was like, kind of a standout and got her own show, right? You mean like

an I love New York? Like an I love New York? We'll talk about House of Bill and it's very soon. I just started, I just finished Flavor of Love season two on my watch along and I am, I have New York fever right now. I can't get enough for her. Absolutely obsessed with her. But we'll talk about that in a little bit because

that is the like bizarro world version of these shows, right? The stuff I'm describing, Daisy of Love like multiple, I mean they were all shitheads because they were all like bro-braw who were going to try to go after like a hair metal groupie girl. But still, like, so many of them just like, I'm leaving. Like, I have no, I don't want to be, like, I have no interest in this lady.

She's a nightmare, you know, because she was a nightmare, you know. I'm like, is there a version of that of Bachelor of Bachelor of Net where they were like, actually, I'm good? Or are they all just so magical and magnetic and classy and beautiful, you know? Man, the internet is evil. I'm just over here reading people that are assuming. things about chalk and just making things up. Wow.

I bet he does this. I bet he does this. Do they think he's a liar like I do? They're pulling apart everything of like he said what an incredible opportunity this is during his proposal. So maybe he's just like, why was he engaged to his last girlfriend for nine years? Why didn't he marry her? But also, how long was she sick?

Is it a good question. Like how like, like, how, like, how, like, you don't know what was going on in this dude's life before you rip him apart. Wait, don't go after the woman who was in his life that died. Like, don't bring her up. I don't think that random people that don't know, like, I feel like that's not for you to try to figure out. I think it's brave and bold of you to take such a pro. I'm trying to believe in love. I'm trying, man.

Who is she'll be champion. these days. We should be the old white man. That is who needs. I don't. But I'm probably, obviously they're not all bad. Plenty of them are good. And I think it's nice that you have such faith in chalk. But yes, anytime you look at a man's past, there's going to, you know, we're going to try to figure out why was you with somebody for nine years and didn't marry that. And it doesn't mean, I don't know, I think we've been burned by the men of Milf Manor. Dirty dogs. We are the Milf Manor Manor Man.

The wretched, disgusting Melf-Matterman. And the Bachelorette men were much less dirty dogs than the Milder Manor Man were, obviously. We're emotionally 19. We are the Melf-Mannermen. Every conflict, there's at least one bitch. A huge bitch, a silly bitch. A little baby bitch, a raggedy bitch. But sometimes it's unclear who the bitch is.

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And tune in to our live stream kickoff on September 30th on the last podcast network Twitch channel, where we'll be taking your calls live on air. Help us help you figure out who's the bitch. But, you know, I think the question that the Golden Bachelorette really raises is not only, like, how do we combat the epidemic of crushing loneliness amongst us, but also, also, can a man make it to 60 years old without being evil? Right. I think that's probably the biggest question. It's a tough finish line to hit. I've already failed. And also, whole of lies.

But Jackie believes he's not evil. And I want to believe. I want to believe that you can make it to 60 years old as a man and be good. And don't get me wrong. When I find out he's evil, like, I will shed a tear and be like, I'm sorry, Joan. I tried to support and champion this. And don't think that I'm being like, it's not true. Never, never.

Like, I'm sure. I'm sure he's fucking evil. I'm just trying, guys, I'm trying to be positive. I'm trying to be a little bit more positive because, yeah, I want to look at this and be like, You picked fucking wrong. You should, why did you get on this show in the first place? You're not ready, Joan.

Right. We all know you're not ready, Joan. But they are still together. And the deal is what, but they are long distance, and they're like dating. They're not like, I mean,

they're technically engaged because of the show. Which I actually like. I like that rather than, like, I enjoy too that it's not him trying to move into her space, not her trying to move into his space. They both have a lot of money. And they're like,

they just keep flying to see each other. and they're both going to buy a place, a place that is theirs in New York, where they will then have a place in New York. That sounds fun. Most people at that age, I don't know to say most people. I'm assuming a lot of people at that age couldn't imagine being able to afford something like that, but they can. So we need to look at that and be like, well, good for them. They are going to try and like have, you know, ground that is not, you know, oh, this is where John, the bed John used to sloth. sleep in, you know what I mean?

Yeah, God. I feel like, she's hearing your buried beds. The coffee he was buried in and we're going to have to have sex in it. Every home you live in is filled with memories. God. Good Lord. Yeah.

So you have to be like, please find a new apartment that nobody has died in. Right. So we can fuck like dirty monkeys and we can just start throwing our shit around and do anal-jury. No, I imagine they make love. I think they make love. Yeah. I think they make love too.

Yeah, they don't do any kind of. But I don't know, man. I feel like she is three pinches away from an anal session. So, well, hopefully that'll happen for her. Maybe they'll film that. The televised the anal special would be amazing. Like, before and after interviews. That's what she wants.

That is what she wants. That'd be amazing. There is. No, we're not, we're not king shaming here holding. Yeah, we're king championing. No, I want a king champion. Yeah, we're supportive. Yeah, I'd be right there front row with a bag of,

Popcorn watching that whole good, you know. Speaking of the Golden Bachelorette over this last week, we had some boys over, and I was like, I want to watch something that is not going to make me think about anything. I'm jealous of this. And that is watching the movie. Old. Which I love this. This is a second time you're bringing up old to speak about on a talking TV, I believe.

No, I didn't talk about it. Really? I swear I've talked to you extensively about it, but maybe it was just not. in real life, Holden. We talked about it in real life. In fact, I was very upset with myself that I forgot to bring it up last week. That's funny. Which is why I'm bringing it up this week.

I'm talking about M. Night Shyamalan's movie old, which is so funny. I cannot recommend enough. Get some friends to come over. If you enjoy M. Night Shyamalan the way I enjoy M. Night Shyamalan. I enjoyed it the first time I watched it. I enjoyed it even more the second time I watched it. because I realized the first time I watched it, I was so stoned that I completely forgot the whole end.

And then re-watching it, I was like, oh, I forgot how dumb this is. And for those of you that do not know, the movie, old, it is these people that go to an island and all of a sudden people start becoming old. And they become old. And they're getting older. And they can't stop an MJ. They don't know why they're getting older.

But the things that M. Night Chamaelot, dude, big up. Big up yourself, M. Night Chalemalon. I am also trying to bring the phrase big up yourself into my vernacular. So big up yourself, M. Night Chambalon, because M. Night Chambalon writes these screenplays. And you can tell he doesn't want anyone's feedback. No, no. And M. Night Chambalon's going to write what M. Night Chambalon wants to write. And it is going to be long and there are going to be scenes when you live. literally have to pause the movie to go, why would you write this into a movie? And one of the, I will say one of the characters who is a rapper, his name is mid-sized sedan. The movie Old is on Peacock and, man, you know, if you're making yourself a practice turkey like I was that night, put on the movie Old. You certainly won't think about the state of our country because you'll be so busy, scream. the word old because also highly recommend you can do it as a drinking game if you want but we weren't drinking so we were just screaming old every time they got older. Right.

Highly recommend. I love it. I still need to watch too that bad, his newer bad movie is the trap or whatever. Trop! And that's on Max right now. That's on Max right now. So yeah, I'm trying to catch up with some stuff. Actually, that's why I did watch, yeah, like Deadpool Wolverine last night, finally up to

date on that. Oh, I watched Deadpool Wolverine. Yeah, that's on Disney Plus. That's one of my things I was like, I watched something. Tell us about what you guys thought about Deadpool and Wolverine. Well, hold on you go first since he's more of a nerd boy who knows the world and everything. But I enjoyed it. I will just say I liked a lot of things about it.

I'm ready. I don't know what they can do. And I get that they kind of like, this is really a specifically Deadpool, but it's run. Well, no, not necessarily though, because I feel like they did. at first in Guardians of the Galaxy. I don't know what they need to do, but I need something different from any number of hit pop songs from the 90s or 80s or 2000s and a fight sequence that's really flashy. You don't like it? It's, I, dude, I've just seen it so many goddamn times. It has been done to fucking death. That's the side of the thing that, but I don't know what else to do.

I'm like, what do they do? Fight in complete silence. Maybe it'd be funny. if they fought to a made up song that made no sense. Like, it was like, I'm aware, don't you, the core, make me, but you know what I mean? Something weird. But I just, you could pick any song. Like, it doesn't matter what it is, as long as it kind of heavily contrast the action. So in this movie, you get stuff like bye, bye, and stuff like that. And I like a prayer.

Like a prayer. And I get it because it works. It'll always kind of work. But I've just seen it so many fucking times that I'm just, I always kind of roll. my eyes now because it's just not an interesting choice at this point. I, my favorite part, I hear you and it is, it does feel like pretty formulaic and it's like, yeah, it's just very fallback. I just start with the negative, by the way, because I have positives on this movie.

But I really liked the, when they're in the car and they're fighting and you're the one that I want comes on. That gave me a big smile. That was fun. And honestly, like, that whole fight was fun just because of the regenerative stuff. So they're not just mowing down a bunch of people, like they're fighting each other and they're able to just, you know, just fuck. up each other so hard because they're both regenerative superheroes.

Yeah, I like the fight scenes. The actual fight was cool. I just again, and you're right. But again, that was already like four of those in, where it was just some pop song from an era that highly contrasts the violent action happening on screen. I've just seen it. As you were saying that, I realized, too, another thing that kind of made me that I'm remembering from Deadpool Wolverine, because I do remember overall and really enjoying it.

But I felt that way during that scene with like a prayer because it was like, oh, it It's all the different versions. Uh-huh. You know, it's like, oh, I was like, aren't they doing that literally in all of it? Like, that every single one of these has to be like, but don't you see it? Oh, the reality is there. Yes. They even say that.

Like, at least they killed it. At least they sort of put it to bed. Yeah, like, it's over. It's done this thing. The multiverse is tired. Is it over? Yes, because they're moving into like the doom. I mean, no, yes and no.

But like, they realize they can't just like do this multiverse thing. they've got to do some other things with it. So yeah, but probably Robert Downey Jr. as Doom is going to be a multiverse-based thing that they're able to do, right? That like, I'm guessing that it's like, well, it's the multiverse. So in this other universe, Robert Downey Jr. is not Iron Man. He's Dr. Doom. Like, I assume they're going to do that, but maybe they won't.

Maybe they just won't even try to explain it. But that's the stuff that worked for me. It was just the constant shit. Like, I can't believe how much they let them comment on, like, Fox and Disney. I thought that was the really fun stuff, you know? Yeah. But it's just kind of funny because at the same time, it's just like, okay, you guys acknowledging that this shit sucks is really, like, a wow thing.

But also, like, hey, can it not suck? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Self-aware jokes about how the movie itself or the franchise itself is tired is kind of like. It's like, yeah, but also, like, you guys did this. and now you get to make fun of it. It's almost like annoying, but, you know, they're great in it. All that self-referential stuff is really great.

There's so many great, like, action moments, you know. But also, MJ, for someone like us that are not huge graphic novelists, I thought that there was a good amount in there that, like, I understood almost all of the references. Like, it was at least, like, it was, you know, like, able to be understood enough by people that don't really know that much about the world. Totally. Yeah, I always enjoy watching superhero movies, and I like watching them with Gideon

because he knows all of the comic references, and so he will kind of explain as we go. But yeah, like, I'm, I never sit down to choose them to watch if I am not with my husband. But when I do watch them, I always enjoy them. Yeah. And I feel that way about most of the Marvel. I feel like I know Holden you're like a little bit,

you're definitely like more tired of like the Marvel thing. I'm fatigued. I'm fatigued. And I'm more fatigued than like most people I talk to. Yeah, I think Gideon tends to enjoy most of the Marvel movies, even though they're, you know, even if they are kind of, you know. My husband, same. I think that like my husband feels the same way.

And I'm assuming like a Gideon where it's like, well, you know, they're still going to watch it. Even though it's like, well, they grew up with this at this point. So it's like I'm just going to still watch them. Watch it and enjoy it. Yes. Yeah. And yes. For so many different reasons.

Like how I like an M. Knight Chomelon, I like it because I think it's fun and bad. Yeah, right. And you're more tolerant. And it's funny, it's just, it's just the playing, uh, I just feel I, I, I don't like feeling like I'm being manipulated by, by, with lazy

kind of formula shit. Definitely. Because like a prayer will always make me feel good whether the movie's good or not. Yeah, or just like, there's something about a really flashy, really cool fight sequence that's super violent with like a lot of slowdowns and flashiness with a song that doesn't fit the thing, right? Traditionally, which would have been like rock and roll or like some kind of intense score or something like that.

And instead they're playing a Madonna song. And it's like, but I again have just done that. So Deadpool did it. Guardians of the Galaxy, I think is what really established it. And ever since then every movie, the Harley Quinn movie, you know, I could name, I mean, I'm just thinking off the top of my head, but I've already named, you know, three, all three Guardians of Galaxy movies, all three Deadpool movies, the Harley Quinn movie, actually probably Suicide Squad did it to, the OG one, and maybe the new one.

There's so many where they're like, hey, this in sync in a action sequence. Yeah. Now I've seen everything. I'm just like, I feel so like play, like just kind of played down to, you know, like a little bit with that. It's also, I think it always, all of, something happens with me with superhero movies where they time kind of flattened. And I'm like, they haven't been doing this. That like, when he says, like, the multiverse is tired out. Maybe it's because I don't see every movie. I'm like, oh, end game, like, just came out. And then I had, like, memories of, like, talking with my students at the time about

end game and realized, like, that was a really long time ago. Really long time ago. I was in New York. And it was a totally, you know, yeah, it was a while ago. And then they were like, here's the new thing. It's the multiverse. But, you know, I agreed. I was. listening to a podcaster talk about how like it kind of fucked everything up because the multiverse like just made it so that anything's possible and you can just do anything and when you set that up. And that people can just like come back but I also know that's but that's graphic novels though, right? Like isn't that part of the world right? That like sometimes I just recently, this is about to sound like I am very dumb, but I just

have not really read that many graphic novels that like, you know, they'll die. and then they come back for a new story and I'm like but how does that happen? Jeff was explaining this to me and yeah with the whole Robert Downey Jr. thing and it was like I don't understand and he's like that's just graphic novels that's just what that's the world of it

that's what happens. There was a whole movement that was like this in the 90s you guys might even remember this because you know it was such a big moment in our culture. Oh I remember. The death of Superman and Batman got his back broken by Bain and it was this whole movement of like let's kill off these

then they just like came back like they just figured out a way to like have them come back or or there was a different person in their in their spot or whatever right and what i asked to it i was like well then why i was like doesn't it ever bother you that like they're dead and now they're just back and he's like but but that's like he's like you still never like watching your favorite people die he's like it still affects you when it happens in the graphic novel it's just a part of their story. That's just a part of it. And we had this actually really good. I was like, should I be reading more graphic novels? Like, listening to him pontificate about like the world and just having been raised on it. It's such an interesting different way of looking at these movies. And I guess it's more like, think of it less like Game of Thrones and more like it's actually just about what interesting stories you can tell with these characters. Like I'm not really too worried about anybody living or dying in this story. Unless it, you know, it just needs to feed the story they're trying to tell.

And that it's a serial, right? Like, I'm thinking about this too with like with the kids and like some, we're watching the Simpsons and something will happen in the Simpsons. And then the next week, they'll be like, well, do you remember when this happened last week? Like that's not happening in this episode. And I'm like, it's not really like that. Yeah.

Something will happen and then you get a new issue. You know, like it was like, it's like, you know, you get a new episode and you're kind of, it's not really building. And I feel like comic books are kind of similarly like, well, that happened in that series, but now there's a different series with a different, in a different world or whatever. So for that reason, multiverse always kind of made sense to me. And I'll also argue, like, but also the death of Superman is a gimmick and cheap and not really, you know, and if they did bring back Robert Downey Jr. is Iron Man, which God knows they'll probably

do, but at least they're not doing it immediately. Like, if they did that immediately, I'd be like, you guys suck. Because nothing means anything. Killing Robert Taney Jr., killing Iron Man off. And in endgame is only impactful if you don't just bring them right back. So instead they're bringing it back, but as Dr. Doom. So that has its own people out have their own mixed feelings about that as well. You know, but still, that's at least not as bad as like, Iron Man's back because of the multiverse and everybody be like, so then like the thing you guys sold us as the epic ending to this saga of the first three Avengers movies, like kind of doesn't matter.

you know what I mean? And that's like, yeah, I think that would suck if they did that, you know? So it is, you have to handle these things in a specific way, you know. But yeah, it's totally professional wrestling. It's like no one actually fully dies or goes away per se because, you know, but also these people need their giant paychecks or they just can't quit the life. You know, so they come back. My two biggest realizations were that I had completely had not really put together

that Hugh Jackman's career started with him as Wolverine. And that he has just been Wolverine for his entire adult like movie. Yeah, movie was. Yeah. So movie wise, yeah.

Since the early. I mean, it didn't exactly, but that that was kind of his first big breakthrough role. Like I just, I was like, oh yeah, he's been in a bunch of things. But like, really for the last 20 years he's been Wolverine and that really hadn't kind of hit me. And then also I just only know Ryan Reynolds

from rom-coms and I've never really cared one way or the other. And I really enjoyed him. in Deadpool and I kept thinking about how Martha Stewart said he could act funny but he isn't funny I was like he's pretty funny He's great they're all Oh Martha

He's great and he's great and I love that bitch All the stuff with wearing the original The costume everybody's wanted him to wear for the longest time Was great except for the part we're like Whatever they did with the CG with him in a lot of shots At once he puts the mask on looks fucking weird and awkward It may actually be like Oh maybe it's good he hasn't been wearing the costume this whole time

You know like when he puts the mask Spoiler alert. He puts the mask on, but by the end, and it's like this big moment, because I personally always felt that way from the very beginning with X-Men at being, I love the comedy made. It's like, oh, is he wearing the costume? So it's not like he's embarrassed to be in a superhero movie, like the character is. And I thought that was great. Anyways, all right, that's that. I really want to get into House of Villains. I only just started it, but I know Jackie watched all of it. And as I said, I have New York fever. She is incredible in Flavor of Love season two. It truly is my favorite reality show character.

There's just nobody better than her, in my opinion, now that I've watched, rewatch Flavor of Love season one, watch Flavor of Love season two, and watched House of Villain season two. I just, she is out the gate in House of Villain season two. You can't take your eyes off her. Jackie, how do you feel now that you've finished the whole thing? Absolutely obsessed with her. I'm obsessed with New York. I realized, like, I was, I was like, I need to, like, figure all of this out. It's like, the way I feel about Mariah Carey, the way I feel about, you know, Martha Stewart, the way I feel about New York, I'm obsessed.

I will watch anything she does. She is home. Like, it was so funny. Jeff walks in and he goes, is that New York? Is she still on reality? I was like, oh, yeah, dude. She is crafted. Career reality.

career out of being a ridiculous bitch and she is so good at it. And I feel like in the first season, I was more annoyed by some of them. I am not annoyed by any of them. I slurped up House of Villains Season 2. Not all of the episodes are out yet. I think only seven episodes are out. It's not done. You're just fully caught up. It's not done. I'm just caught up. So now I'm watching week to week. and it is Joel McHale is perfect as a host. She's a great host, yeah.

She's perfect for it. And there's like, this is actually genuinely making me, um, my co-host Kara over on Who's the Bitch is a huge housewives person. And I was like, dude, do I need to start watching the housewives?

And of course, the look on her face was like, yeah. Yeah. Yes, please. And I was like, I don't even know where to fucking start with the housewives because the housewives in this cast. It is Larsa Pippin and Teresa Judice and they together are, I, I think, Teresa.

What's the one that's like, nothing makes me laugh more than the one that's just like, I'm not an asshole. I didn't go to real prison. I went to like, myself was, like, she was trying to downplay. Like, you're on a show called House of Vilds. You signed up for this. And like, everybody else has a sense of humor about it, but she clearly doesn't. Teresa Judice is. So here's the thing. I am not watching. Joke. Like, she still thinks she's a classy person. I remember her. It was the one thing everybody knows about Real Housewives of New Jersey. We've all seen the clip of Teresa Judice flipping the table in the middle of a fight.

Yeah, everyone knows that one. I watched that season of Real Housewives of New Jersey. And I do love Teresa Judice. And I think it's very funny that she's still, as opposed to like a Martha Stewart, she's very much like, I had no idea that my husband was evading taxes. I had no idea about any of these things. I just went to jail. I just went to jail.

I had to leave my daughters. I had to go to jail. Love her. She, I don't think, is very bright. And that is also the fun thing. There's like the dude with the big pecks. It's fun to see the ones that are genuinely not that bright versus the ones that are genuinely wonderful and evil.

Right. And New York is one of them. of those people. Now, have you spent much time with New York's mother, sister Patterson, who is like almost as engaging and just awful. You totally get why New York's New York. So she's featured heavily in, uh, she's a standout in flavor of love. Like she comes on, she immediately hates flavor, flavor, flave and is just immediately trying to

get her daughter out. It's, in fact, he narrows it down to New York and one, and I think two other ladies. And it's like after, at the end of the meet the parents thing. and she's just being awful to Flare Flip the whole time. And then she, like, knocks on his door, he opens it. She's sitting across the door. Like, she's sitting down. And he opens door and she's just like, game over.

She's coming home with me tonight. And then he's like, okay, whatever you know, whatever she chooses. And then she goes, and then after that, she goes to try to get New York to leave. And New York's like, I'm not leaving. And you know what I mean? It's just so funny. And then I love to just game over. And then it's like, and then she ends up leaving it.

She's so pissed. And then she's horrible. She is like, and she's, and I love New York a lot. And I love New York's amazing, too, by the way. Like, definitely watch those shows. And I think it's all on Amazon Primer, Hulu. And they're just fantastic as well. Like, her in the hosting kind of seat. Like, one of my favorite scenes from that is, like, there's one guy that's like, I'm not going to, you know, I'm not a violent guy. I'm not going to, like, fight for you like that, like these other guys. She's like, you're not going to fucking fight for me. Get the fuck out of here. They're like, she like, she like, wants, violence to happen for a in her honor. She's amazing. She's amazing.

She's amazing. She's amazing. There's this one point. I guess it's not a spoiler because it's still House of Villains. I'm not talking about someone that gets kicked off. But she's decided that like also, um, I forget that she loves to pepper in that New York believes that she is a psychic and that she can see the future. And she at one point in House of Villains believes that the house is sentient and that the

house is working with her. And she, like, does a whole, like, the house, I can feel your house. She's perfect for reality television. I will watch her do anything. Yeah, it's just kind of so compelling. Everything she does. I just love it.

And she makes the craziest choices. But again, you want to watch whatever the hell she's going to choose. Okay, all right. I'll do house to villains. I also have been housewife curious for a long time. I love Real House House of Salt Lake City, but I'm not caught. Or are we dallying over here, MJ?

Are we sticking a tone? I'll start with you because I think about the Mormon wives every day. I miss them. I miss them. And I think, you know what, MJ, I think that what we need to do,

I'm sad because we both started Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. And I know we both fell off. I don't know if you know this. I think there's five seasons now. Yeah, I'm super behind. I know, but do we just jump in?

Let's just jump in. I think we need to jump in. I know Jen Shaw's in prison. We can, you know, I still follow all of them on socials. But again, it's like, it's all these apps. I didn't have brought, what happened was I like didn't have Bravo anymore. Like I had been watching it, you know, with like, I think when I had cable or something.

But I'll just have to figure out how to watch it. How to watch it. Back into the, back into the Bravoverse. Because yeah, it is, even though we always say like we are Netflix reality people, Real Housewives only having seen Salt Lake City, it has everything I want in a reality show. And like the kind of like low energy. hanging out thing of like the Kardashians doesn't do it for me. But something about these bitches just hanging out doing nothing, I could watch them do nothing

all day. Yeah. Just scream at each other. Yeah. And so I guess you know what guys, it's our call out. Should we just jump into Salt Lake City? Should we go somewhere else? But again, remember that MJ's got two children.

So it's like there's a finite amount of time. That's the thing. I can. For me, I can start anywhere. I can start anywhere and just start watching. And people are like, you know, do New York. do what I like do Georgia do but I'm like I need I know that I know that Salt Lake City is the best one so maybe we just start there yeah I'm I'm down I'm completely down with that now I will say I think that all three of us did all three of us finish Agatha all along this week I know all three of us were watching it still still working through it yeah still working through it but great it's still great yeah I enjoyed it a lot more I ended up we finished and thank you to everybody that let me know because you all knew what what I needed to actually watch this show,

and that was kissing. Lesbian, yeah. And I just want to say, thank you for supporting me. I appreciated that. I will say that, like, I mean, Wanda Vision was just such a good show, but I really did end up liking Agatha all along way more than I expected to. It was a slow build. It was a slow.

It was slow. That's good because I feel like WandaVision started off strong. and kind of dissolved a little bit. Once they start getting into, and again, I'm not spoiling anything, but once they started getting into the teen's story, it's like, why wasn't this, this the whole time? Yes, exactly.

Connecting it to what Wanda Vision was because it felt like it was just completely its own thing. And I didn't need it to be Wanda Vision, but I also felt like this. You needed to be grounded a little bit and something. Yes, exactly. Yeah, yeah, I agree. And it took a long time

until they started grounding it. Right, right. that whole wonderful universe they had built in Wanda Vision. And then once those things were connected, I felt happy. I like it so much. And then we just ripped through the end of it because it was like, oh, okay, hell yeah, great, great, great, great. And then I was all aboard because it's all fun characters. Like I wanted to continue to watch the fun characters. But thank you for understanding that it was a bit of a slow burn in the beginning. Yeah, I was just like,

tell me if I should continue. A bit of a slog all along. But then it did not stay a slag all along. Yeah. Yeah. And I will say we did go to the theater to go see Heretic over the weekend. And I was really excited because the only thing I knew about this movie was that it was spooky and that Hugh Grant was in it. And that's all that I knew. And I will say that I did, for those of you that are aware of what the movie is about, it is essentially, it is two missionaries, two women.

get trapped inside of Hugh Grant's home, of him, like, discussing and essentially trying to shake their faith, trying to be like, oh, why is your faith the right one? And I did make the joke afterwards that I think that the scariest thing about this movie was the fact that they had to sit and listen to a cishead white man talk at them about religion for a fucking hour and a half. And I felt really bad for them. But Hugh Grant is so good in it. It is genuinely spooky. It's a fun, new, like, I like the concept of it. I like where they went with it. But then I ended up having a lot of issues with the end. And I really, like, the ending took it from, like, for me, from, like, a B plus A minus to, like, a C minus.

Oh, wow. Wow. That bad. Because I think I was enjoying it so much. Is it like into like in a pro-religious way or something? I don't want to give anything away. And I would talk to you guys about it off mic if you wanted to know the end. I just don't want to give it away for anybody else.

But like I guess it really was like I was just enjoying where it was going that I could have like easily spouted off five different ways of which it could have ended that I think would have been better of how it ended. Really? But I also am saying this, you know, I'm not like a screenplay. I'm not saying like, I really enjoyed it though. Yeah, horror movie is really hard to stick the landing. But definitely go see it because I really did enjoy it. And I think that like I was, I don't know what, I was expecting something so different that when the end happened, that I think that if you were expecting that, you probably will also enjoy the end.

I was just expecting something else. Gotcha. But Hugh Grant should play creepy characters more often. Yeah, I kind of like that. That sounds nice. Yes. I like it. And the young woman, Sophie Thatcher.

who is in yellow jackets, who plays like the lead young girl in yellow jackets, dude, she's so good. She's such an insane actress. She's very good in this movie. All right. Cool.

So that's Heretic for you. Nice. Do we have anything else? Do we sing the song? I've been watching Great British Breakoff. It's great. Love them. I want to think about Paul.

Why do you sound so sad about it? Oh, no, it's not sad. Just, you know, I got nothing to say. Because it's what MJ's watching when they're so sad. Yeah, well, that's, I'm sadly watching it. But no, I just don't have anything to say. I was like, oh, I'll watch fake off to talk about on talking TV.

And then I was like, it's just more that good, good, yeah, totally. They like the cake. They don't like that cake than me. They're very withholding and I like that. I do find myself often, we've watched like every clip we can find of anyone that has been on Taskmaster when they do the celebrity. Like, because I think they do a lot more than is actually streamed in the, U.S. But they do a lot more like bake-off charity challenges that are shown.

And so a lot of the people from Taskmaster have done different bake-off challenges. And I've watched those clips. And they all cheeky. Yeah, they're all so cheeky. They're so cheeky. I just want them to like, I just want Paul to tell me that I did a good job, you know, and I just want Prude to be happy with me. And they never will.

And that's why I keep coming back. Give me that. Oh, and I'm excited for Sabrina Carpenter's. Christmas special on Netflix. That'd be fun. Maybe this is the year, guys. Maybe I'm having sad Thanksgiving and maybe I need truly

sexy Christmas. Yeah, sexy Christmas right around the corner. Maybe the sexy Christmas is coming out. I could see it. I could absolutely see it. All right, well, there you have it. All right, let's sing the song. Thanks for listening, y'all. Bye, everybody.

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