Page 7 - Talkin' TV - IT'S TWINS

Episode Date: July 24, 2024

This week Jackie, MJ and Holden come out swangin' with Twisters! Then its off to HOLDEN'S MOVIE CORNER for Iron Claw, Late Night with the Devil, and Longlegs! Jackie is spreadin' the summerween joy with Frozen (2010) and Oddity, MJ is havin' a crisis with what to watch on MAX, while Holden heads The Other Way with a new season of the 90 Day spinoff, Jackie finally watched Jim Henson Idea Man on Disney+, MJ showed The Muppet Movie to da babies, and Jackie checks out Total Forgiveness on the Dropout! network AND MORE! Twisters - IN THE THEATAHHHHHHIron Claw - MaxLate Night with the Devil - AMC+Longlegs - IN THE THEATAHHHHHFrozen - Amazon PrimeOddity - IN THE THEATAHHHHThe Black Widower - MaxForbidden Love - Max90 Day Fiance: The Other Way Season 6 - MaxJim Henson Idea Man - Disney+The Muppet Movie - Disney+Total Forgiveness - Dropout! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey guys, this is Jackie Zabrowski from the Last Podcast Network, and ooh baby, do I have a juicy treat for you Law and Order SVU lovers out there? And it's a new parisocial relationship. Check out That's Messed up, an SVU podcast on the Exactly Right Network, hosted by two of my comedian friends, Kara Clank and Lisa Trager. Every week they break down an episode of Law and Order SVU, the true crime it's based on, and chat with an actor from the episode. I'm talking Margaret Cho,

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Oh, baby, baby. You know I'm coming out the gate talking Twisters. I've talked a lot about Twisters so far. Let's do it. Let's do it. The dead-eyed actors. And remember talking TV, it's funny, because we record talking TV last

after we've recorded the big show and leftovers, but it comes out first. So you get to set the narrative, Jackie. You get to say, here's what I need the American people to know about Twisters. What is the Twisters? So, you know, it really has nothing. I thought, I guess, spoiler alert for the movie Twisters,

I thought there was going to have something, some kind of connection to Helen Hunt or Bill Paxton, and like they still have Dorothy, but like it's not even about Dorothy. So in my brain as someone, but again, I needed to understand that not everyone has seen the movie twister a hundred times the way I have.

Not many people care. So I needed to let it go. I need to let it go, let it go, let it go, and go in. and just appreciate the movie for what it is, and that is a very dumb, poorly written action movie. And I laughed, I cheered. I loved that they tried to make...

Oh, baby, they tried to make the moments that the original movie Twister had. They tried to do it. Like, you could tell, like, at one point, one of the character goes, it's twins twins and you think that they're like this is going to be the line

everybody's going to be yelling it's twins twins and like nobody's yelling it nobody gives the fuck there's no philip seymour Hoffman sorry y'all you can do as much as you want to be a fun zany rag tag group but you're not philip seymour hoffman is it that is it that the

I would love to hear you talk more about like what's the what's the soul Where's the soul that Twister has that Twisters doesn't have? You know what? Because that's also, I think one could describe, certainly describe the original as an action movie. It is magnetic. Uh-huh. So here's the thing, though.

And I know that I brought up Twister not that long ago when we rewatched it with a bunch of people. And I did say that so many people were like, why are we re-watching Twister? And then we watched it. And every single person was like, this movie is fire. I know, bro. it's because it is surprisingly well written, well acted. The stakes are fun. And, like, of course, we know that Twisters don't act this way.

And, like, that the science is definitely, like, 90s science. With some, they did, like, work with actual meteorologists. They did try. But it didn't have the heart. Like, it showed up, it is so well written that, like, Bill Pax and Helen Hunt, the entire time, you're just, like, I mean, they've got to get back together. Like, that you can feel the magnetism between them.

And there was, the word magnetism did not exist in this our movie Twisters. Interesting. However, again, going into it without the need for the heart of the original twister, I think that most people will enjoy the movie Twisters. I am very sad that I did not see it in 4DX, which I really want to. it to do because I don't know if you guys have been seeing the TikToks out there of people seeing it in 40X where

there's like wind and their seats are shaking and that sounds fun. That I want and I don't know how I get it and I'd like that. Right. Yeah it's interesting. It's like what makes uh what it's just kind of fun to think about like what makes something such an instant classic like Twister was and why is that so hard to recreate?

It's hard. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard. It's hard. You get these dead eyed muscular cock, you know, wielding men. And then you get the British lady and she's like, I like a little bit a twist, I know, you know what I mean? And you're just like, this is not it, dude. They kept talking about Deasy Edgar Jones's mother in it.

So I kept thinking like, oh, I better mother's Helen Hunt. Better mother's Helen Hunt. And then Maura Tierney shows up. And I was like, love you, girl, but why are you in this? Yeah. What are we doing here? And also, honestly, way more chemistry between Mora Tierney and Glenn Powell than there was between Daisy Edgar Jones and Glenn Powell. And I was like, fuck that milk.

I want to see you. If he had banged Mora Tierney in this movie, that would have, this movie would have been my movie of the summer. Right. Yeah. And all makes sense. Yeah, said it's your movie of the Dumber. Hey, yo. Twisters.

Hey. I, I will say, you. you'll probably have fun with it. Okay. And if you feel it, chase it, and it is very dumb and you will laugh. Chase the storm. Well, I'm glad that you finally got it out of your system and hopefully we won't be hearing about tornadoes for some time to come.

Well, now apparently you both want weather updates. And if you want weather updates, oh, you're going to get weather. I love this for you. I have a weather update. Welcome to Holden's Movie Corner, the movies that Jackie's already seen. Hell yeah. Let's do a quick rundown. I'll give you a quick rundown of Holden's Movie Corner.

Okay, first of all, Iron Claw, you got me. Oh, you got me. I was crying like a little baby dog. Oh, yeah, dude, Iron Claw real good. Jeremy Allen White and Zach Gaffron, right? Oh, yeah. Lovers delight. and I really wasn't expecting it.

I watched over a couple different sittings. And, man, I was. You know the story is so sad that they actually even left out a brother? Left out. Because it was so sad. That's so crazy. Jesus Christ. It's so sad.

And they handle it really well. They like earn that tear jerk at the end there. I was crying my pretty little eyes. I needed it too. I needed a little cry. You know, and you know? Hell yeah. Get it out.

So that was great, definitely. and then watch late night with the devil, which I just have to say, definitely check it out for a fun horror romp. It's one of those movies that's like, it's a great concept, and they do a pretty decent job executing it, but it's not like perfect,

but what a good concept. Yeah, they were trying something. And you know, like, I feel like, especially with horror movies, when they're at least going for something, I'm down. Like, it's not just a boring, like run of the mill, whatever.

first. So I really liked late night with the devil. I liked it a lot. It's not a perfect movie, but that's okay. Great, great premise. And must say, what's funny is, like, they almost went for too much. They could have done less. I get that. Like, they could have actually ended it, like, earlier than they do and, like, done less with it. But just a really good job of a guy. It's essentially just, like, a late night talk show in the 70s. and like there's like a spooky episode where they have like, you know, different, you know,

and like a girl who was like, you know, had an exorcism and all this stuff and the devil sort of has his fun, if you know what I mean. Yeah, that is a cool premise. I feel like, and, you know, it's like Twisters, we are in a time where many things are being remade or rehashed or re-envisioned.

Sometimes that ends up being really, really fun. I feel like a lot of times the things are falling flat. compared to the original. So I feel like, yeah, just having something that's totally new is a bit refreshing.

Yes. And most important of my filmic trilogy experience, I went to the actual movie. I had to go to the movie movie last night. It went into a movie theater to watch longie legs

and the long legs. And what did we think? They were long. You know, it's interesting. Like seven in Sansa Lambs really fucked with me when I was a kid. And so I was a little hesitant almost.

I was like, is this going to like, especially I'm alone in the apartment right now, am I going to fly too close to the sun, you know what I mean? Which hasn't really happened since hereditary, hereditary kind of, I lost a little sleepover. And I will say, anyone comparing those movies to this movie are not, like, wrong. It's like very obvious why you would compare it. But I was in no way close to as freaked out by the imagery and stuff that they, they think. the movie is not scary, but he is scary.

Man, Nick Cage. Yeah, is scary. You are so good in this movie, and it was so fun. It just him just be like, ah! Like, just insane cage, dude. That's all I want. It's all I'll ever need. He's so good in it.

And I just had so much fun. It is funny, though, because, like, Henry, I went with Henry and Ed, and we're, like, the only people in the theater are, like, laughing at parts and stuff, but not because we, like, didn't like it or whatever, but it's just like we love it this stuff is you know hey i'll say that like and he's just like out of his mind is so fun dude it's it's such a good time so anyways check out long legs i told gideon that i want to go on a date to go see long legs in the theater

which i don't think we've gone on a date to see a movie just in so many years oh my god i love this idea i love it too but he gets he gets real scared he like he we watched the exorcist and the halloween season this past year in twenty twenty three and he like, I swear to God, did not sleep for a week. I would wake up in the middle of the night to pee and find him just like wide awake. This movie, too, like, I would never in a million years have Lexi. See, this is exactly what freaks are out, like super devil-y kind of stuff, you know? And laid out of the devil also, I would just like not recommend, you know, for Lexi. But I just loved, I was just like, yeah, baby.

I had a great time. I had so much fun. I hadn't finished late night with the devil, so I came home, played video games for a little bit, then finished late night with the devil the same day. I watched long legs, and I was just like, yeah, dude, ragged around, the devil's here to stay, bro. Also, extremely classic dad on his own

without his child and wife behavior. Absolutely. To just watch horror movies all day. Just watching nonstop. Yeah, I have some more horror movies. I've still never, Watch talk to me. I do think, though, I started Love Lies Bleeding, and I was like, I gotta wait for my girl

to get home. I gotta wait to see this with Lexi. This is a hot lesbian action movie. I need my hot lesbian wife to join me for that. So we'll wait until that happens. But yeah, that's my movie corner, and I'm sticking to it. I love it. I've had a bit of, you know, I sprinkled in some summer wean this week as well.

I went back and revisited. I showed it to a friend of mine who had never seen the movie. Frozen, and I'm not talking about Let It Go Frozen. I'm talking about the movie. It is the quintessential. They get stuck on a thing. Yeah. Ski-Lift in this case.

I love this movie so much. I love this movie, and I'm so happy in re-watching it that, okay, the writing, it's not the best written movie, but the reason why I always champion this specific movie of all of those movies of oh we're stuck here how do we get out they do everything it was so funny jeff had never seen it and so he was just like he kept like pausing it and be like okay what i would do in this situation is i would x y and c and then i'd be like okay and then he'd play it and then 10 minutes later they'd do it and i'm like see this is why this is the quintessential of these movies they try everything i would think of yeah while getting they are stuck on a ski lift at the and it makes

sense of why they get stuck, and it's at the end of a Sunday, and ski places don't open again until Friday. See, this is the type of thing that I would get stay up there. It was before self-like, they didn't have cell phones on them. So it's like, it's one of those of like, what would you do? This is, yes, the devil stuff doesn't scare me, but a realistic, like, accident scares the ever-loving shit out of me. MJ, this is one of, I love this so much. I have such a fun memory of this too, because this was way back when I was hanging out with

Annie Letterman a lot. Her and I watched this movie together at my place, and we were both just like, it's a perfect movie. I can't imagine what Annie said about this. She had, we had, we had, yeah, she loved it. We, like, couldn't get over it. We were like, this is the best movie ever made.

I can't believe this. I can't believe this. But it really is such a fun one of these, like, trapped on a thing kind of things. And yeah, they just give you so. And they raise the stakes like so well as it goes with different elements. I'll just say very, very fun. I'm so glad you're bringing up Frozen in, in 2024. I never knew another Frozen.

Summerween. The other Summerween movie I watched this week, we saw that there was a horror movie in the theater. I literally knew absolutely nothing about it. I saw that it had 95% on Rotten Tomatoes. Jeff and I didn't even watch the trailer. We just got tickets and we went to go see it. And it did not disappoint.

The movie is called oddity. And if honestly, man, it's one of our favorite things to do, especially with a horror movie. I love knowing absolutely nothing. And knowing nothing about this, very shocked. It's like about twin sister murder. And it's real creepy. And honestly, it was, like I was saying with the movie Long Lakes, how the movie itself was not creepy. but I thought long legs was creepy.

This movie was scary. It was genuinely scary. It had really good jump scares. It had real creepy things in it. And again, a movie trying something that I did not expect, and I really enjoyed it. I'm right about these down. That movie's called Audit.

To me, they both sound absolutely awesome. I wonder, because I like a murder horror, you know, but also I like a devil horror. And also I like a real, I just don't know. I think what I'm learning is I like horror. I just, we talked about this last week, I just don't like saw. I just don't like the torture.

Yeah, that's totally fine. Yeah. And I would even say the first saw is decent. Yeah, first saws is fine. But yeah, I just, psychological stuff I'm down with. I like anything that's, yeah, I got, honestly, like, the late night with the devil's hitting that, hits that sweet spot for me where it's like, it's creepy, but then it's also like, ha ha, yeah.

And it's just, we, a cool premise getting played out in a fun way. that's that's that's that's my jam so uh definitely want to see that's why i definitely want to see talk to me and you said Abigail was fun right uh Abigail is a lot of fun yeah which is uh yeah it's a fun people like i think what a heist crew team ends up getting locked in with this like insane like vampire lady and they have to like try to get out yeah they think that they have to protect her but really they are are the hunted or whatever they are the hunted yes well there you go which is great I highly recommend for Summer Ween. You know, there's some things that I'm watching that have nothing to do.

Although, MJ, do you have anything that you would like to do? I feel like I didn't mean to bowl over you. I happen to watch. It's the doldrums of summer. All right. I've got a lot of stuff on my list. Yeah. No, my corner is much stupider.

I love stupid, you know, documentary, docu-series. That's my favorite thing to watch. So there is a new one on Max called The Black Widower, the Six Wives of Thomas Randolph, which is just... Oh, I've been seeing it like promoted everywhere. How is it? To be honest, I started it

and I was like this, it's like being presented. Max is such a trickster. Now, Max. Because it's like, you know, you just never know if you're getting like a good documentary or if you're getting like, you know, obviously Natalia Grace was good in its own way.

But you never know if you're getting like a real good documentary, like an HBO documentary or if you're getting like an investigation discovery. I know. Right. And I started the Black Widower. and to me it just felt like a class. I was actually like, is this? I stopped it because it just felt like a run-of-the-mill kind of true crime situation,

which is fine. I was enjoying it, but I was like, I think I could probably enjoy something else more. But I might keep watching it. But I did start another thing on Max, another docu-series called Forbidden Love. And it is about, there's only one episode out so far. I think it just just started, but it is about, couples where each member of the couple is a different religion and like very observant. So it's like a couple where there's like an Orthodox Jewish husband.

Well, they're not married yet, but the guy is Orthodox Jewish and the woman was like an Italian Catholic but can't marry him until she converts. So she's like going through the conversion process for Orthodox. Forbeen love. There's another one about an Amish guy who came to fix her roof. and they fell in love. She's a normal person and he's Amish. And that's interesting.

And then a person who's like from rural Missouri and married a Muslim and her family is like horrible about it. But they just like a very observant Muslim who like so it's it's, you know, again, I'm not here saying this is a problem. Again, with mocks. I like good docu series and I like the investigation discovery ones too. but I just never know if what I'm watching. The Forbend Love seems to be a TLC show. Yeah, yeah. Is it actually TLC?

Oh, yeah. Also, you could at least try. You could, there is like a, I don't know how easy it is on the app, but like on the site, it's pretty easy to go to the just the HBO section. If you are really, like, wanting to. Because I also like TLC, and that's why Forbidden Love is fun, because it feels like an extreme sister is, it's much more in the style of extreme sisters than an actual good. But it's, you know, it's fun and, and, um,

But yeah, I should just go to the HBO section because, you know, I like, I like the stupid stuff. I started the Aaron Carter documentary and I was like, I don't need to do this to myself. Yeah. But, yeah, I just like, I really like docu-series, but I like to at least know whether what I'm about to watch is going to be good or dumb so that I can choose. I watch both. On Wizard and the Bruiser, we find all those crazy little moments in geek history that made the things we love into in inescapable. cultural behemates. If you love video games, movies, comics, and anime, this is the LPN show for you.

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Oh, that would help us out so much. God, wouldn't you love to do that? Don't I sound like the kind of person you want to help? Like hit the button. Like, just do it. And someone did ask, hit me up about, like, are you got, you must be watching that T. Swift's Gooder Braun doc series or whatever. Yeah, I keep seeing it.

But I'm like, what could possibly be in this that I don't already know? I don't, I've like, know this story so well and it's so like well worn. I feel like unless I kind of didn't know much and was like, oh, what is the deal with that? I didn't, you know, I've never, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, I'd, kind of heard about it, but I feel like I've, I've memorized every pore of that rat, bastard's face. And I'm coming for you, allegedly, Scooter. I'm not actually, it's a comedy pit. But I'm coming for you, Scooter. It's a comedy bit. I keep seeing that one, too. And it's the same thing where I'm just like, I don't know if I want to spend my time with this. And the same

with the Nick and Aaron Carter documentary. I'm like, I feel like I know all of this. It's hard. I, definitely have like choice paralysis. I always struggled with that with what to watch, especially because I have a voice in my head. I don't know if other people struggle with this. I have a voice in my head still, like, left over from college being like, if you watch something, it should, like, be valuable in some way.

And then there's another rebel voice in my head that's like, because of that voice, you're just going to watch the stupidest shit of all time. And I need to find the balance. I understand. I do want to watch stuff where I relax and unplug and don't have to think. And I also want to watch quality shit,

not just the stuff that I, you know, when I had cable, I was like, I need cable, but I just watched forensic files, you know, so like I need to get better. Well, here's something I started watching it. Jackie, I believe, is caught up and maybe, and you could pretty quickly catch up 90 Day the other way, the newer one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. This is what we need to get you on. Now, it is the trash. It is bad. And I have watched all the previous season. So if you ever have any questions, I can answer them for you.

But it's such, it's so, such reliable, great trash that you just never have to. to think again about what should I watch? Because you're like, I just, when I'm in this state and I'm not going to watch, like, prestige TV, I'm watching this dumb 90-day show. And there's like so much. And I do do that with Love Island this week. I watched a lot of Love Island USA. Nice.

So, but yes, okay, the 90-day I'll put in my Q as well. Also, I'm throwing it out there for anyone that follows Love Island. I like, who won? Yeah. Nice. I'm into it. Yeah. I was actually very, I was like, wow.

A lot of tweets about it. I get to this. Don't worry. I don't think it's forever. But, you know, I think that I did not end up finishing, but I, of course, watched the last episode because I just know I'm not going to watch. It's a lot. 34 episodes. Get into came in yesterday.

He was like 34. I was like, I'm doing a Cliffs notes. I watched the first few. Now I'm going to the last few, you know. I watched the first 17. Wow. And then I started skipping through some. and I wanted to give at the time.

I literally just don't have. Yeah. I want it, though. I'd love to just have it on in the background. I've had a good depression watch, though. If you're ever just giving up and you're just going to lay in bed for a week, that is right on the money. If you do not want to think at all of Love Island, USA. Because here's the thing, 90-day fiancé the other way, you will think because you will be busy yelling at the television.

So it really depends on what your jams is. when it comes to watching reality, do you want to yell? Or do you want to sit and be sedate and let it wash over? No, I like to be engaged. Yeah. I like to be engaged. And, of course, 90-day fiancé, the other way it goes there. 9-Dade Fiance the other way, MJ, I know that you are not in the world of 90-day.

But I know the premise. Obviously. And I would say personally, 90-day fiancé, the other way, is my favorite of them. Really? And it's because it's the other way. So you're watching dumb fuck Americans move into a culture that they most likely have done no research about, no, absolutely nothing. So you get to see rather than like, oh, these people don't understand American culture, which I already don't like that aspect of 90-day fiancé. I like it because, no, it's Americans that are dumb.

And I think everyone needs to remember that. It's the Americans that are not doing their homework to figure out what it takes and, what is a part of that culture and things like that. So you're really watching these people struggle. And it kind of makes you, and some of them you root for. Some of them you definitely root for. It's like House Hunters International, you know. Yes. Honestly, kind of. It is kind of like House Hunter is international because you see the way different people live and how dumb Americans are. And they really just think that they can go anywhere and you're like, I'm an American. I don't need to learn anything about another culture. I'm an American. I'm just going to go there and be an American. It's like,

that's not how it works. And they are so dumb. So in this season, we're watching, like, for instance, let's pull up Lily and Josh. Josh is from South Carolina. Lily lives in China. He is going to where she lives, but he will not be able to work. And so there's even a clip on the next episode. I the first three episodes, but it's like a clip of him being like, is it like customary for the man to not work in Chinese culture? And like, the person just laughs. And it's like, no, that's not a thing. And it's like, he's like, but I'm moving there. Yeah, dude, like, you're going to have to figure this shit out. And you want to yell at them. I can't believe Statler and Dempsey are still together.

I can, you know what? I can believe that Chikina and Sarker are still together because this man controls every fucking aspect of her life. Sarper is from Turkey. Chikina's from California. And the last season they were on, she goes to Turkey and she's just like, I, my son's crazy. I'm a god.

I'm so beautiful. Oh, my God. It's like, yeah, Turkey's a little bit different than L.A. But don't worry in this season, MJ, he's not happy with her nose, so Sarper is himself redesigning her nose. Is he a doctor? No. Is he a plastic surgeon?

No. But he is the one that is going to be designing her nose so that it will look just like he wants it to look. So again, these are the things you're screaming at the television about. Okay. And 90-day fiancé, while you know, I say, the bigger the better, the more content. the better, you know, even though I felt flooded with Love Island. But I appreciate that 90-day fiancé, the other way, 43-minute episodes rather than almost

two-hour episodes. Yeah, first one's a movie. But after that, they got to introduce everybody. They got to introduce everybody. That's the other thing, not only does Love Island have 34 episodes, they're all two hours long. Yeah, isn't that crazy? What are we doing here? There's so long.

That's why I was saying that was like, I didn't expect you guys. I knew that I was just kind of swallow. I am sorry that I put you both through two and a half weeks of me only talking about Love Island because I feel like, or maybe that's just what was happening to my husband because my husband certainly didn't want to hear about it anymore. No, I mean, it was great. You just kept telling us how relaxed you felt when you watched it. It was very soothing to just hear you feeling relaxed.

I loved it, but I just need you to know that's not what's going to happen with 90-day fiancee the other way for you. Not at all. No. It'll make you raid. But yeah, to rage you out. It'll do all sorts of fun stuff. But I like that, you know.

It's like I feel most alive when I'm watching, like, Netflix reality. It's like when I feel like my best self. I think that you're going to fall in love with 90-day fiancé the other way. All right. Hell yeah. What, remind me what does the platform? Mox. The Mox.

Well, they're there guiding me towards TLC because they know that I like that. That's what you want. Just get that. I know. Get off this true crime thing and get on the just. They're like, oh, the person who has watched. smothered extreme sisters and I love a mama's boy. Yeah, exactly.

How about this? It knows what five you're putting out. Yeah, that's the thing. It knows what class of person they're dealing with. Yeah. Try, you know. Trash. They're like, oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. You want to watch six feet under? Sure you do. We know what you want. You want the weird sister boys or whatever it is. Yeah, those sisters who shit together. And my television also knows what I want, and that is to be sad and weird.

And that is why I watched Jim Henson Idea Man. I finally bit the bullet and watched the sad documentary. And actually, it really made me more inspired than it made me sad. I'll bet. And I know, obviously, I could never compare what we do to the Muppets or what we do just to what Jim Henson did for the idea. of children's entertainment specifically. But it was interesting because it was more about him and how he felt.

Like the fact that, like, he never wanted to be in kids' entertainment. That was the last thing he wanted. And he wanted to, like, create a whole, like, a link of nightclubs. He wanted to, like, get weird and experimental. He was making all these, like, experimental, weird fucking movies in the 70s. that's what he wanted to do. He never felt fulfilled by what he did. This is such good timing because I did.

I forgot to even bring it up on talking TV, but I did watch with my kids, both the Muppet movie and the Great Mumpet Kaper. Dude, what did they think first Muppet? Oh my God. Oh, no, they did Muppet Christmas Carol. I'm sorry. Yeah, but this was really the first time

they really engaged with it. And it was so, those were movies I watched each one 100 times as a kid and I haven't rewatched them since. So it was very fun watching these movies as an adult. And I was just like, I wonder what I got out of this as a kid. Like, because they're obviously so, they're such rich texts for adults. Yeah. But they just are like, I mean, my kids were like immediately, when they finish them up at

movie, they're like, what other ones are there? Yeah. They look silly. Yes, they immediately wanted more. It was so much fun. That's great. It's also the idea of something that I never really thought of. And part of like the perspective of a child is so interested in the idea of puppets in,

a real world. They were fascinated by it. That's with the ballet scene, the water ballet and Great Muppet Caper was always my favorite scene. Kermit riding a bike. Yeah, they were absolutely fascinated by it and yeah, I think I appreciated as a kid that like the adults were

all playing it straight but like now I just again there's just so, I was like what did I get out of like the Steve Martin scene as a kid right? Because it's just so weird. The kids were like, what is happening? Why is the waiter acting so weird? And I was like, like, because he's Steve Martin.

Like, I can't actually explain it. He's just being Steve Martin. This is kind of an inside joke. Like, yeah. For Steve Martin, but yet somehow it totally works for kids too. It was so, so fun. And then there's like, you know, the scene where they're driving and Big Bird is walking down the street.

And the kids' minds were blown. They were like, Big Bird. What is Big Bird doing there? I was like, bruh, they're all part of the same universe. And they're like, they did not know. You're just like blowing their minds. That's awesome, dude. It was really fun.

But I will absolutely watch the Jim Henson documentary because I've always absolutely loved him. But I grew, I loved, I fell in love with him as a kid. And then you get to have this whole other experience of falling in love with him with the work as an adult, you know? Yeah. And knowing that like he, every single Muppet project, he wanted to do, he's like, all right, if I'm going to do this, I want to do shit that's never been done before. And he just kept like upping his own ante, even though he was competing. against nobody. And like, it's so interesting to see, like, he was a genius. And I, it's sad because, like, it's almost like he feels like his genius was wasted. It's like, but it wasn't.

Oh, my God. No. I mean, I got it. It's such a gift. The reason we were able to do with the Muppet movies with such success is because my kids have been watching the, like, reboot of the Muppet Babies, which I watched as a kid, and now there's a new version of it. And even the Muppet How does that hold up? It's really funny. Yeah? Yeah. It really captures the, like, spirit of, like, you know, my kids love Miss Piggy, of course. And like, they are Miss Piggy. Oh, yeah. And like, in every way. And I was like, okay, if you guys like these characters, because the show, the Muppet Baby show for kids actually really, if you are a parent with kids, you know, I don't know, two to six, I recommend it. Because it's like, it does actually

you get a sense of the characters. And so because they've watched so much Muppet Babies, they watched the grown-up one. And then they were like, oh, yeah, like, Gonzo loves Camilla and, like, Piggy loves fancy things. And, like, they have a, it's kind of going into a more grown-up movie,

even though it's also for kids, but it's going into the movie with a sense of the characters. Yeah. Which, but the characters, I just feel like the world that Jim Henson created is just so strong. Like, that moment of being, like,

Big Bird is there. He created this full universe. that I feel like it's just so comforting to a child. Yeah. Wow, there's a whole... They're out in the world. Yeah, like there's a group of Muppets that live on Sesame Street, and then there's also a group of Muppets that, like, wants to make it big in Hollywood,

and it's all the same universe, you know, is very, very wonderful to re-experience from a parent point of view. God, that's awesome. Oh, my God. I can't even imagine showing my kids the Muppets for the first time and experiencing it through them. But, yeah, it must just, like, put your brain back into where you were as a kid. Totally. And yeah, and so many celebrities that I didn't recognize or I didn't understand.

Like, you know, my parents would scream like, that's Richard Pryor. That's Charles Croton. That's Steve Martin. And I as a kid was like, I understand that these people are all important, but I don't totally understand why. Yeah. And in fact, I thought that celebrities were, I remember thinking it, we watched the Muppet show. We were so obsessed with the Muppet show growing up that, like, I thought that the celebrities were famous because they were on the Muppet show. Like I remember distinctly thinking that that's like, oh, they got famous because, yeah, they're working with the Muppets. Of course they're famous. But that was just not the case because apparently, of course, celebrities were just bashing down the door to be a part of the Muppet. And like the fact that he canceled it when it was at its heyday. And he's like, I'm done with this world, ready to start. I want to create other bigger, better things. And he just kept going, man.

talk about inspiring. And something, I guess, that is inspiring, but in a very different way, I was recommended by chat, and I want to say thank you, to watch the show. Now, y'all know I've been sprinkling it in. I've been kind of, like, by myself, me and my husband obsessed with dropout. Obviously, we're not the only people obsessed with dropout. But you know when you just become very insular about something and it feels like I'm completely alone. But I'm not alone because you guys recommended I check out Total Forgiveness on

Dropout. Now, Dropout is the college humor content app, MJ. Okay, thank you. So it's all the people from over at College Humor. And there's this show called Total Forgiveness, and it has two of my favorite people on it. So I think I'm also transitioning into this because the people over at Dropout remind me of, like, The Muppets, getting together to put on shows. And And total forgiveness is two of my favorites, Grand O'Brien and Ali Beardsley, and they have a lot of debt. And so they pitch to the company, what if we dared each other to do things and we make money for every dare that we finish? But if you dare the other person to do it and they don't complete it, you get their money. and they were two very good friends

that were like, this is going to be awesome, let's fucking kick, yeah, let's fucking do this. But then you watch the show so interestingly, on its own, makes you realize,

and they weren't meeting to do it. Like what happens when you bring money into a friendship? Really? That's funny. And how you would dare them to do something

if you know you're going to get the money if they don't do it. Whoa. And what, it's going to push you to even if you're best friends, Whoa.

Yeah, that's upsetting. It actually gets very real, and there's only seven episodes of it, and Jeff and I watched it, I think, in two sittings. And it touched me in this way that I was not expecting a show. Like, I was just like, yeah, I would never want to do something like that with Holden or with MJ. But I could see us thinking it's a great idea in the pitch process. Yeah, of course. Well, it's also be careful what you pitch, you know, because sometimes you, it's a great idea,

but that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be something that's going to make your life better. You know what I mean? I've had that before, too, where it's like you pitch something and then you get like a month or two in and you're like, what the fuck was I think? What did we do? Just because it's a good idea.

And we've all been that way. It's the beauty of being a content creator is sometimes you don't owe the devil you've created until you're in the middle of it. You never know where it's going to go. So funny. And then you're just like, I'm trapped. But it is also, again, the beauty of a content creator.

You're never really trapped unless there's a contract. And when there's a contract, you are trapped. Or if you're trapped in the Star Wars Hotel. I'm so excited, Jackie, that you've joined the ranks of the weird people. Accidentally watched three hours of it. We hit 20 minutes in. And I was like, oh, my God. It was like, how is this going to be four hours long?

Snapshot to three hours later. I was like, we didn't want to go to bed. I was like, we have to go to bed. We must go to sleep. And I didn't want to pull myself away from it. I know. It's so interesting, the whole thing. Again, we are talking about Jenny Nicholson's Star Wars Galactic Star Cruiser failure,

four hour. It's like it dropped like a couple months ago. And it goes. It's on YouTube, right? It's on YouTube, yes. and it is her experience and also like the whole setup, the whole everything about the Star Wars Hotel, which of course, we all know that it was a huge failure.

But I didn't realize like how big of a failure it was. And it's kind of crazy to be like, how did you all shit the bed so hard? Like usually like Disney, you're pretty good at creating an immersive. But they also explain in the YouTube document. like how a company this big could shit the bed this whole. I think I feel the opposite where I'm like this would be so fucking hard to

pull off like a multi-day immersive hotel experience. Oh yeah. So like with that many guests and with that much money involved, you know? I mean it's just the stakes are so fucking high. $6,000 for a two night stay. She did the math. it comes down to when it was like doing the math of entertainment of the day because you get there like halfway through a Friday and you leave early morning on a Sunday that it is actually $2 per minute to hang out there. Which is not necessarily a bad deal depending on how fun it is, right?

But $6,000 for a two night stay that was brutally, brutally underwhelming and mismanaged. Like that's insane. Yeah, I got it. I can't believe I forgot to tell this. I think I believe I forgot to tell Gideon that we got to watch this. This is our project this week. Yeah, it's one of those where even if it worked and was great for what it was supposed to be, I don't think it's worth that money.

Right, right. Not worth it. Just so it just doesn't make sense to me. But I'm also just not a weird Star Wars person. There's so many weird people out there about Star Wars. You know, you're buried to one of them, MJ, and it's just... I'm married to one of them. They just can't get over it.

You're just limiting your experience, I mean, $6,000 for a stay. you're just limiting so much of who can come, you know. And I feel like that's just you're not going to have how many Star Wars people make that much money, you know? Well, they even explained because they kept like billing it as a land cruise because you show up and then you're just like in the facility for two days. But here's a thing. At least when you're on a cruise, you're on a boat and you can like look out and there's like an outdoor pool. Like there wasn't even windows. Obviously there can't because they're in space.

but still. Yeah, the windows are just screens that, you know, show space. And they barely are around. Even that is barely utilized. Oh, man. I can't wait. It's so fun, too, because Jenny Nicholson,

which I appreciate, as someone that is also not a huge Star Wars person, she even said she's like, all right, I need everybody to know. I was in it for the immersive experience because I love fantasy immersive experiences. I think she's known for commenting on, like, events and stuff like that.

So she wasn't even needing it to be the utmost of Star Wars. She's like, I even had a fairly low bar because that $6,000, M.J. is for the tiniest room, a room that's supposed to be upwards of five people. And she was in it with one other person. She's like, I can't imagine five fully grown adults in it. there's no way that they wish it in this room. Oh my God. I really, it's so funny though.

It really, I didn't expect, I was so surprised that there was four hours worth of information and you hang on every minute of it. Do I need a YouTube like premium subscription? No. No. Thank God. No, just got to watch it, man.

And it's got over 9 million views. A four hour YouTube video has over 9 million views. That's awesome, man. Oh my God, I'm so excited. I feel so really, you know that feeling when you sit down either alone or with your partner and you're like, we have something. Yeah, exactly. Yes, we have something. I brighten it all down. I got a system now. Hell yeah. All right. It's also perfect because like obviously there's a lot you want to look at, but I was watching it while making dinner and doing other things. And since it is still so much of it is like written well, like the story is written well, you can still follow it and not be necessarily watching it every second as well. Oh my God. Hell yeah. I'm so excited.

Gideon's going to, I can't, I'll report back next week whether Gideon wants to go there or not. Oh, God. I think it's closed. I don't even, I don't even think you have. Yeah, it's already over. I mean, we couldn't if we wanted to. Yeah, there you got. We could at least dream.

But a boy can dream. A boy can dream. Well, all right. And I guess, I don't even have anything to say about this. I just, I'm saying this because if I should continue watching it, I'd like you to let me know out there listening. I started watching Supercell. I watched the first two episodes because everyone was screaming

about it on Netflix. It just dropped. Is this not just heroes? Said in the UK. Let me know. Without Henry Zabrowski. I feel like this is just heroes. Without Henry Zabrowski,

I feel it might just be heroes, but also it was well, the first two episodes, well written. I really, I enjoyed it, but as someone that doesn't care that much about superheroes, should I continue watching it?

Mm-hmm. Let me know. Page 7podcast at jemal.com. And you let us know any recommendations you've got. Page 7 Podcast at gmail.com. Love hearing about, especially if you know of something that's about to come out that you would love for all three of us to watch. Let us know.

You guys know our tastes. You know what we like, all right? We like sad. We like reality. We like horror. And I guess that's, I mean, certainly not prestige television or at least not right now. I watched House of the Dragon and I enjoyed this week's episode. I didn't even bring it up.

I'm watching House of the Dragon. Yeah, people are loving it. People kept saying it was a parable about why you shouldn't have an open primary. We're trying to connect it to what's going on in the real world. That's very far. I will say love the kiss. And if you could bring more of that in, I am here for it. Thank you guys for joining us on this week's episode of Talking TV.

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