Page 7 - Talkin' TV - Keep Crying

Episode Date: November 6, 2024

Once again MJ, Jackie, and Holden unite in despair as the energy vampire created sadness experiment known as Golden Bachelorette opens up this weeks episode with a sobbing man (again) to get us all in the saddest of moods now that 31 for 31 has ended and the annual crack has appeared in the ice that encases Mariah 'The Great Turkey Eater' Carey til the beginning of the Christmas season thus causing all of us to forget about THANKGIVING, Jackie heads off to the Boiling Isles to take in the magic of THE OWL HOUSE, and speakin' of witches Holden, Jackie, and MJ give an update on their Agatha All Along progress and there is BLOOD ON THE HANDS OF LOVE IS BLIND like not literally but OOO BOI IT'S A SLOPPY SLOPPITY MESS of a reunion episode. And keepin' with drama, Holden keeps headin' into the House of Villains, plus he also finally sat down with some steak and wine to enjoy 'Beetlejuice Beetlejuice' to meh reception, despite still being better than the last few Tim Burton films. Jackie can't find a place to watch the new Martha doc for free, but she's seen plenty of the fallout, and to fully end 31 for 31 Jackie ends her horror movie marathonin' with Anora! Golden Bachelorette - HuluThe Owl House - Disney+Agatha All Along - Disney+Love is Blind Season 7 - NetflixBeetlejuice Beetlejuice - YoutubeLove is Blind Season 7 - NetflixMartha - NetflixAnora - IN THE THEAHTAHHHHHH Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

We're talking TV with MJ Holden, Jackie talking TV. And you know it's going to get wacky. Because everybody knows and everybody knows. And everybody knows for watching shows. We're talking TV with MJ holding Jackie. Yeah, what's up? I'm sad that 31 for 31 is over. And here's the thing.

You know that 31 for 31 lives within all of our hearts year round. but I love the idea of the short list that like it gets me to a point that I'm like, do I need to start making this short list for the top of every one of my months so that it's like, all right, we're watching a movie. And now you guys know I've got my movie bowl and I love the movie bowl. But now the movie bowl is so filled with movies and shows that it's hard to go back to the movie bowl. So now do we have to need subsection?

months of movies, you choose the movies out of the movie bowl, you write down the movies for the movie month, and then I've got a shorter list. Is that where we're heading with our life? I think that you're, obviously, you're going to be taken care of come December. Right. Because I assume you're watching a lot of holiday movies in December. I don't want to assume. But it's hard to let go of the thrill of the kill, MJ. It's hard to let go of my blood lust for the hells. I know, especially if you're like us and you watch movies in 20s. minute in increments. We started Friday the 13th, too, and we're like halfway through. What are we going to do? Give up on it? No, hell no, because it can be spooky all year long, if that is what

you wish. It's like that I have a toddler in my life who really did not want to let go of Halloween. She was so happy to go out and experience trick-or-treating for the first time in her conscious mind. I get it. The day after Halloween, apparently she just kept going outside and going, Halloween, going up to people and saying, trick or treat, trick or treat, expecting to get more candy. She did not want it to be over. And you know, and it is a bummer for kids. You got to think about it because Thanksgiving's just not a thing.

Oh, my kids are like, fuck Thanksgiving. They don't give a fuck. They're like, but literally Freddie was like, Thanksgiving is kind of boring because it doesn't have any toys and it doesn't have any candy. Of course, it is boring for children. It is great for adults. So it's devastating this time because you're like, you're sad,

Halloween's done, but Christmas is a distant dream. Yeah. Even though it's in all the stores. Oh, I was so mad. When I went to go get all of my reduced, priced candy on November 1st, and it was nowhere to be seen. It was whisked away. Yeah. Yeah. Already. I know. I understand. You can't have a lot out for Halloween the week of Halloween. but the fact that like it was difficult to find places to purchase candy to hand out to trick or treaters the week of Halloween. That's insane. Okay?

It's too much. It's too much. The friggin, I went on a rant about this on some into some microphone recently, but the Target Halloween section had already been replaced by Christmas two weeks before Halloween. Blame Mariah. Mariah is like an opposite Santa. She kills holidays. She removes them.

Yeah. She goes into stores. We have to create a whole Santa Claus around Mariah, but her whole thing, she goes to the store. She takes your holiday from you. She takes away Halloween. She glosses right past Thanksgiving. It's like the great pumpkin,

but I feel like in a negative way and only for Thanksgiving. Yeah. So what is she? She practices sorry's taking. It is just so, you know what I mean? It is awful. Oh, it's opposite of all. And that is not what I want.

And what I do want is, I'm sorry, MJ. I must talk. about the golden bachelorette. Oh my God. So I can think about my future, okay? My husband's 11 years older than me. I'm pretty sure that a lonely future awaits me. Hopefully not until I'm 90, you know, but still,

I can't watch the show without thinking about how sad it is. And I talked about this before, but I have to restate it here just in case you only listen to Talking TV, not the main episode. This is the second week in a row where it literally the show opens on, No music, no fanfare, just the sounds of an old person weeping to themselves. He is still actively grieving her dead husband.

Fifty-nine. What a crazy choice for the show. Like, here we go. Time to settle in for some fun. For two and a half hours of devastating. It's longer than a movie. Yeah. I'm here for the drama.

I don't like Chalk. Yeah, you say more. You don't like, you don't trust Chalk. Because remember, Tuck and TV comes out before holding one out. We all went on a bit of a rant on the main show about the Golden Bachelor, right? Because it's making me too sad. And I know that people have experienced sadness. We've spoken to many people at our live shows who've experienced this particular type of sadness.

And it stays with me. And I don't like to think about the different realms of sadness that humans can experience. It is so focused on the depression side of it that you're not focusing on the hope. And you're not focusing on what could be and how two of these men are going. to be destroyed when she doesn't choose them because they have opened up their heart and they are ready to be hurt again. It's going to be Guy. I mean, Guy likes her too much.

Guy likes her more than she likes him. Oh, he so likes her too much. It's so sad. And it, well, I don't know. After this, okay, so MJ, I feel like I need to explain this to you because those who they just did some of seasons of episodes said that. I just couldn't watch the whole movie like they did torture. town visits already and this time they're doing their like fantasy suite.

Yes, the fantasy suite. This is their first overnight. Now, Joan made it very clear to all three of them and I appreciated her open honesty that she was like, I'm not fucking any of you guys right now. Stop you right there. I think she did fuck chalk. I think she did. Remember, that was the thing. Actually, she lied to a guy. All right. Spoiler alert. The French guy. Pascal. Bales. She lies. It was, you're saying this like it was a throwaway moment, Holden. I felt this scene. I was extremely depressing. I thought you was,

I fell asleep. No. It was extremely sad because everything that happens in the show is extremely sad. Every last thing. Isn't it better to have like a Bachelor, bachelorette kind of show where you're watching it and you are genuinely hoping, rather than the downfall of them,

you're actually hoping for them to. succeed. Yes, I like Joan and I like the men. You're saying this to a guy who doesn't think too hot to handle is mean enough, so no, that is not how I feel about it. I know, and I can't believe you're still watching it, which that's on you, and I think

you're sucked in. Can't stop. And I think that you're pretending like you don't like it, but I think you actually do like it. Oh, I can't stop watching it. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So Pascal, I'm sad to see him, though. He's... Okay, here's a thing, MJ. I was anti-Pascal from the beginning. Yeah, because he's a dirty dog. smooth. He's a dirty dog. He's going to hurt her. He's a dirty French dog. He's dirty French bulldo.

He had a really good, honest conversation with her where he was like, I was in love a year ago. And it didn't work out. And I don't think I'm ready for this. I'm not ready to do this yet. It's so sad. He's like, my daughter signed me up for this show. You know, I think just because they're all just seeing his sadness in his eyes and he's trying to act all fun at the salon. It's not real. You know what I mean? But I think. So they try. I think Pascal is the more real one. I think Chalk just wants to win. I think Chalk's just competitive. And I like that Pascal was like, I'm not like that.

I want, I'm a lover, not a fighter. I was like, he's the good one. He's the secret good one. Chalk just wants to win the game. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay, okay. Let's be real. Lots of red flags with Chalk.

And I wouldn't want Chalk personally. But here's the thing. I think that Joan likes that he is so much. much like a, she's mine already. Yeah, this is the one I want over. I think she likes it.

She doesn't like guy because he like is too down bad for her. Crying at the gym. And I think she wants to be like sought after. And she deserves it. Of course. If I'm desperately alone, I want to be sought after too, you know?

He just wants the trophy. He doesn't want her. He just wants to be the winner of, I won't see it. I won't see it. I won't see it. Or also, I also have a feeling that or he does want her, but it's like in a week after he wins her in the show,

he's gonna, his, the part of him that sucks is gonna start coming out. I won't believe it. I have a feeling. I believe in chalk and Jones love. That he's secretly an asshole, but he like hides it extremely well. And it's not gonna be like a month down the road.

Don't say that about, he's gonna turn into like, nothing bad is gonna happen to Joan. Only good things are going to continue to happen to Joe. after her husband is eye. He's going to make her drink urine. Mark my words, bro. I feel like reality shows shouldn't be making us confront these questions. You know,

I don't want to be watching reality of thinking about what will it be like when I'm grown old and my children are out of the house? Will I still be with the love of my life? Will I be desperately lonely? You know, I don't, this is not what I want to think about. The answer is most likely yes, M.D. I know.

And it's, but I don't want, What I want to think about when I'm watching reality is like, aha, these stupid fucks, you know. Yeah, I want messy people. Yeah. These people aren't messy. They're just sad. Yeah, they're just so sad.

And I can't stop watching. You know, I can't even, if anything bad happens to, like, you know, when bad things happen on love is blind, you're like, well, you signed up for love is blind. You know? And these old people, they didn't even sign up for the Golden Bachelorette. Their children signed them up. We should be mad at the children.

We should be mad at the children. Melf Manor. All of these people who go on, Love is Blind, They're all broken men. Right. You know, how, what long line of truly broken men in the wake of, there is blood on the hands of love is blind,

not official blood, but like tears, I guess. Yeah. There's tears on their hands too. But at least you can say, you guys, this is season seven,

and love is blind. You should have known that if you are a man, you will come out of love is blind and the nation will hate you. Yes. We're watching Golden Bachelor. These poor old people got signed up by their children,

and now they're like about to have terrible. Of course they're going to get their heartbroken. Or like in the preview for the reunion that's next week, I will say there's people like Charles, beautiful, wonderful Charles, who Joan didn't pick, but now the country is thirsting for beautiful, wonderful Charles. And isn't that delightful? But you know who's not ready? You know who's not ready to be thirsted after Charles?

He is, well, Joan, too. But Charles, Charles is still absolutely devastated. by losing his wife like five years ago. He hasn't even processed it. But maybe the show helped him. I don't think it helped him. I'm excited about the reunion. I'm excited to see the boys are all getting back together.

And again, I always have to cite the guy who's just like, I'm just sad to leave this house because I live alone. You lived alone. And it's been so nice to live with other men. Like I just, it is so, I've never seen so many like dog eyes. You know what I mean? Like, wet dog eyes. guys, like, in a single show.

They should make frat houses for old divorced and widowed men. Yeah. And old divorced. Don't they aren't that, like, like, the masons. Isn't that what the masons are? But I mean, like, literally put them in a house together. And I'm not talking about assisted living. Like, before that, before you get to that point, you can live independently, but you're

alone. Because I don't think they want to actually be full on with another, you know, partner. I think they actually do just want to have. had the experiences they've had and just hang out. Yeah. Are they really going to be slamming? You know, I think, right, you could get companionship. Yeah, society forces, like, older people to either be in a relationship or be alone. Like, the Golden Girls dream has kind of faded, I feel like, where you can just...

Golden Girls. Yeah. It's Golden Girls. But that's exactly what we should have. We should have more Golden Girls situations, but instead we're like, ooh, that's weird. You need to be married to a whole other woman. I have already threatened multiple people in my life. that if anything happens to Jeff,

that I'm just going to move in. I've even said this to hold it. I was like, I will move in, I will help you raise Winnie, and I will just live in a back house. Like, I've already decided.

I'm just going to calm onto one of your families. The drunk weeping nanny who raises Winnie. I always wanted a child. And just like a lot of that, but I think it'd be fine. I have always wanted to live in a house shaped like a big top hat. See,

and that's great. But I want to live. Like, I want to live in the spider version of that. Like, I want to be up in the tree living in a spider's tail. In the web. Yeah. Yeah. When his friends are like, where's your nanny?

And she just points to a tree. In the cheese. You mean spider lina? She's in the, yeah. I love that. I don't want anyone to be lonely. And I know that people do sometimes lose their loved ones as they age. And even not, even not like as they're young.

At any time. At any time. At any time. At any time. It can happen at any time. Oh, I know. I live in fear as well, Jackie. Constant fear.

I just don't know with chalk. I don't know if chalk. With MJ Holden. And Joe. Chalk is good enough. You know what? This is the day after the election episode two. We should have chosen to open with something happier.

You know what I will say? I'm going to give a big shout out. Keep crying. I've got a shout out. Shoutout goes out to Emily. Emily wrote in and told me that if I love Gravity Falls, I should check out a show called the Owl House. I've heard of this.

I did. And I want to say thank you so much, Emily, because now we are slurping up the owlhouse, but it did make me think of both of your home spaces because I do feel that for, well, I mean, when he's too little. And honestly, maybe even your kids, I don't, I don't know what's appropriate for what age of child. But I would say watch the first episode, MJ and see if your kids are ready for the owl house because it is a really cool. It is about like a teenager who goes into the world of like essentially witch is paranoia and paranormal.

There is like a school there and loses just a normal human that ends up in this world. And oh my God, what's the name of Wendy Malick plays her like witch protector, professor kind of thing? and which also I am so obsessed with Wendy. Wendy Malick is like my personal vocal inspiration when it comes to it. And so the second I saw Wendy Malick was in and I was like, Gimme, Gimme, Gimme. I'm about four episodes deep and now I can't wait to watch the rest of it. And it is totally, it is, forgive me if I'm wrong.

I forget that if it's the same creators of Gravity Falls, or like the same like story borders is great. It's a lot of the people that worked with Gravity Falls as well as Alex Hirsch. who created Gravity Falls. Okay. All right. And it is more of a girl-centric show. So that's why I think that maybe your girls would love it.

We love that. All right. I've got a great, and I heard some from a lot of listeners about kids show recommendations too. So I'm keeping a list, Owl House. Thank you.

Did you end up picking up Agatha all along, Jackie? I haven't jumped back in yet. Gideon and I are watching it. I don't know how caught up we are. The first three episodes, and now I got to jump back in. Yeah. Okay. There you go. I'm a few episodes in as well. I'm enjoying it so far. Some of the song stuff, everyone you name and so agree is kind of dumb. But that, the wine episode was pretty fun. I feel like that kind of. And, you know, Lexi's definitely in. She's into it. You know, it's, I like that it's like a seven samurai kind of thing or like a, you know, it's like a, the coven forming. And this ensemble cast is a lot of fun so far. So really enjoying that. It was one of those that now I just need to separate it from a show that I watched with my husband into, you know, when you have to like make the delineation of like, okay, so we're not watching this together, right?

I'm watching this on my own. So we're in the like, he's doing the like, no, I'll watch it with you. I'll watch it. I'm like, well, you're not excited to watch it. So why are we going to watch it together? Like, I'll just watch it. Oh, but Aubrey Plaza. The beauty of marriage, everybody.

Aubrey Plaza, everyone. Oh, my God. I'll do it. I mean, between her and Catherine Hahn, good Lord, and friend of ours this year, which is, man, there's lots to look at. That's for damn sure. Very beautiful as well. Yeah, no, I really like it.

I actually found the first few episodes, it took me a little bit to get into it. And now that we are back into it, I'm liking it a lot. I do a thing, I'm sure I've described this on the show, but anytime I watch fantasy or sci-fi with Gideon, I will like describe, like, the very premise of sci-fi or fantasy. So we're like watching Agatha all along. I'm like, I guess it's kind of fun that witches are kind of like a metaphor for like women's power together. And he just like looks at me like, yeah. Yeah. That's like a coven. That's like the thing. I love that. I love also too. I was talking about Catherine Hahn and I think that it was Gideon because I believe I don't mean to

speak out of turn that your husband and my husband feel very similarly about Catherine Hahn. In terms of thirst levels? Thirst, thirst, thirst. And honestly, my husband's thirst is only overshadowed by my thirst for Catherine Hahn. And I did scream about if you thirst for Catherine Hahn the way me, Gideon and Jeff do, watch Mrs. Fletcher. Mrs. Fletcher is this show that came out in 2019 and you get to watch Catherine Hahn fuck a bunch, fuck a bunch as she fucks a bunch. And it is pretty great. Okay. Hell yeah.

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Can I tell you guys about the love is blind reunion? Hello, we're 19 minutes into the show. Yes, yes. I can't believe I have to take this mantle alone. You're taking it alone. I had to spend the weekend with my husband, MJ. there was only so much I could do.

It's a lonely job, but somebody's got to do it. Okay, the love is. Mine reunion happened. So, spoilers, if you haven't caught up yet. So Tyler, who is, of course, the fella who claims to have had some sperm babies. Yes. But then there's pictures of him with the babies and everything. She's like, Ashley's like, get out of our lives.

Mind her own business. I watch this section of it. And she is so fiercely defense of, like, Like, you don't understand our life. You don't know what we went through. He didn't. And this also makes so much more sense, MJ. The fact that he didn't want the kids that were not his kids discussed on live television.

He didn't want people seeking out the children, which is, of course, inevitably, what happened. This was the first time, I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but this was the closest we've come and love this blind history to the complete breaking of the fourth wall where basically they all but say they're like, we had a bunch of conversations about this off camera and then we staged a conversation on camera for the drama. And then we really hoped that the kids wouldn't get, that the public wouldn't get involved. Now, my only question about that. And so I actually was like, wow, good, good for them, good for him, right, good for her, good for everybody. Except, I think, I think, the only question about that is, why did the baby mama come out and blow up the lie?

Right. If this was all him trying to protect the kids, why would she, I mean, unless she's just crazy, whatever, if she comes out and she's like, he's a liar. He's a liar. You'd think that she would go to him and be like, why did you do this? And he would be like, I did this to try to protect the kids. We had a bunch of private conversations about it. We staged a conversation for them.

Right. They might not. especially well and they did not really address the lie another one of the lies which is that he says that he like donated i mean they acknowledge so he says that the first baby was a sperm donation for her for the for the baby mama and her wife and then the wife left her and what he said on the reunion was he then became he didn't want to like a father like a father figure because he didn't want her to be a single mom all on her own but then he's like and then i helped her have more kids those kids are twins and according to the mom at least

according to everyone on Reddit and TikTok, the mom says they were conceived naturally. So I just don't quite understand how you can be like this is a sperm donation via fucking, you know? What's the mom's stance currently? Well, this is the thing. I've only seen, as I'm saying this, I'm realizing I've only seen reddits and TikToks about the mom.

Is it possible that this entire thing is a construction out of an illusion and there's not actually an upset mom who leaked all of this, but all of the TikToks and Reddit posts I've seen are people being like, the mom said this, and that's how we know Tyler's lying in the first place. So he comes off like he did something noble, and Ashley is like, who would, and it's a good line. She's like, who would know my marriage better, the internet or me?

Right. And so I'm like, I want to trust her, right? But then also there are still a few things that don't add up specifically how we ever found out any of this in the first place, which I think is from disgruntled mom or disgruntled, you know, baby mom. Parent, yeah. Right. Whoa.

So I've still got questions. Yes. They, you know, and part of me is like they seem like such a good match. I know. I can imagine, I can imagine being in a really, like, truly having found the love of my life and then finding out like a big lie and being like, well, this is something that I can work through with you. Right. And I don't have to leave you for it.

And it seems like maybe that's, right, maybe that's partially what happened to. But they do basically explicitly say the conversation we had on camera was for the cameras and we had a bunch of other conversations off camera. And it's interesting, as somebody who's watched so many loves his blinds, to get to the point where they're just talking about, okay, we're actually staging this. Yes, yeah, to actually be able to talk about it on the reunion. And I also want to bring up the glow up of what's his name of STEM, STEM Boy.

Yeah, STEM boy. Stemboy looks insane. He looks like, talk about Vegas. I feel like STEM boy looks like a restaurant. host in Vegas? Like he's wearing like, I can't even explain the pattern on the jacket. I think that he looked better in the reunion

than he did during the show, though. Which one? Which one? You think so? The one with Taylor. Garrett, the science boy. Oh, okay. Big, big smile.

Big smile is a way to say it. Big gap and slap open mouth about that fucker is what MJ wants to say. And I feel like he glowed up a little bit and apparently he walked in fashion week. Yeah, he's like, he's like a fashion boy now. Yeah. I know. I have questions about them too. They seem very happy, but she really wanted to move to San Diego and they're not. But yeah, they seem really happy. He looks unrecognizable. So they're fine. I'm fine with it.

Hannah and Nick, man. Hannah, yeah. She is the, she's the new villain. No, come on. She's just, she just tells it like it is, MJ. I think he loves the villain the whole time. I'm very direct. She was, she was the villain the whole time. But in the reunion, they try to make it seem like Nick is the villain. There's like a real alliance where Marissa, who is rightfully seen as the righteous one compared to Ramses, of course. Defends Hannah and honestly makes me lose a bit of respect for Marissa.

Whoa. Because Hannah just keeps going, I'm very direct. I'm very direct. I'm very direct, Nick. And then Nick is like, you were like, Nick is actually, I think, very gracious. He's like, well, yes, you are very directed. And I love, I accept, except you for who you are. But then Vanessa Lechay is like, Hannah, I think that you, we all saw you be like cruel to him.

Yes. I think that it's Vanessa Lechay that uses the word cruel. And then Hannah kind of goes like, okay, I'm sorry, I'm just direct. But then it turns into this thing where they're like, well, Nick, you didn't think that she was hot. So it's all actually your fault. And they all, Marissa and her start being like, Nick said, stuff to his boys. And then the boys told us. And Nick said that he didn't think Hannah was hot. And they're like, Stephen, is that true? Shunned Stephen. And Stephen's like, yeah, yeah, it's true.

Oh, you're going to listen to that fucker? That's what I said. And then they ask Ramsus and now I can't remember if Rampus. I think Ramsus said like, well, Nick didn't love the way Hannah looked or something. They all betrayed Nick. Damn. Also, the fucking show is called Love is Blind and there's literally a visual reveal. I think it's, I think you're allowed to have thoughts about whether you think the person is hot or not. That's why I always say this is the flaw of the show. Because love is not blind. They redo the reveal and either you win the jackpot or you lose, you know, based on your personal type.

And she didn't think he was hot. And she talks about it extensively on camera. Yeah, totally. On camera. Totally. And so he privately told two of his friends that I think that he didn't, that he was like not super attracted at first. Can you imagine being in that situation and having, it's like he does like. He doesn't want to make her feel bad because it's just the way she looks.

And maybe he's not into that. But you must be like need to talk about it. Yes. Can you imagine being in, I forget where they were like Mexico or wherever they were sent for their honeymoon and just being like, I need to talk about this to somebody. They don't have their phones. They can't text any of their friends. Yes.

And like the spiraling that would happen if you weren't attracted to the person. Oh my God. I'd lose my mind. Because I don't have that in me to just be, because I see some people truly not have a type. Like I've seen some people who I'm like, based on their dating history, I'm like, wow, you are really open.

All over the place. You are all over the place in terms of attraction. You know what I mean? And I respect that, but I don't have that in me. I definitely am more drawn to a specific, like, physical type. And I could see digging deep and, like,

we have this great connection in the pods. And I can find that. with this person despite the fact that I think that they are a uglo buglo that, you know what I mean, that I think that they, you know, they need to go to the paper bag store, right, and purchase one and place it upon them. But it would be difficult. And I'm not saying I'm a spring chicken with a big dick, either. I'm, you know, I could easily see. But you are always buying all around. For sure. And I'm like, get back in the pen. I'm a pock with your cock out. Yeah, with my big, You know what I mean?

But I don't have any of that going, you know? I am not trying to like leap to the defense of men as a gender. But I do feel like, I do feel like the fact that she. We're so gross and horny that we'll just go with whatever, whereas women are more discerting. Well, just more of the fact that I think that, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm missing some things. But I feel like Nick is in the same category as I was going to say as Cole, although Cole did some more wrong things than Nick did, which was like flirt with Colleen.

I can't believe you remember the names of people from Love is Blind in the past. The second, I am not staring at it before. I don't remember. I know. Every time we talk about this, I have to pull up a cast list. And I'm currently watching it. And I still can't remember. That's fair.

That's fair. No, I just feel like there is, Cole was the guy who everybody was like, you're a monster. You're a bad man. And he's like, he had a post recently that was like, the last year has been the worst year of my life. like he's really really struggling. And Nick, I feel like, I just feel like it's crazy that Hannah spent many episodes being like he's too sh-h-h-sha-small.

He acted like he was hot. He's not that hot. Like, and then he privately told two friends and everyone is like, wow, Nick, own up to it, Nick. And I just feel like they're, I don't know. I feel like some men get eaten up and spit out on love his plan. Yeah, they really do.

Because I remember Cole being, being an uncle's side through all that stuff. Yeah, Zeneb was, members Zeneb was, like, accused him of, like, policing her food intake. Yeah, and he was like, and then they showed the tape, and he was just like, oh, are you going to eat

before dinner? We're about to go out to dinner. And she's like, he's controlling my calories. The most normal ass thing. But also some people really disagree with me on that, and I spoke about this at the time, and I did hear from some people who were like, how dare you.

Oh, I hear the clicking and clacking of the keys in the distance. So, again, I'm not, you know, I'm not trying to bend over backwards to defend a man. Right. But I'm not defending Stephen, at least. At least you're definitely not defending Stephen. Oh, Stephen.

Yeah. He did go to the sleep study, but at the sleep study, he got drunk and responded to an Instagram message of a woman who allegedly just texted him. I've been into some interesting fetishes lately. Who gets to stop? See, here's the thing. I was just about to say, people are going to be like, how do you get drunk in a sleep study?

You're not supposed to do that. You're not supposed to do that. But I will also say they do expect. you with all these wires on sitting, like being actually studied, they expect you at like 10 p.m. to fall asleep. I understand that. How the fuck are you supposed to fall asleep? I understand at 10 p.m. while everybody's looking at you. But at the same time, if you drink, it's like, you might as well just not do the sleep study. Yeah, right. I wouldn't do it. Drinking severely affects your sleep. Absolutely. I got to be high. I got, I have to smoke marijuana for me to fall asleep. Like I got to be, like for

me to show. I don't. Like, like, for me to shut off my brain. You gotta be high. You gotta be drunk. Be fucked. Yeah. You're crazy. You're crazy.

But you, if you're doing a sleep. But Jackie, even you with needing to get high, that if you signed up for a sleep study to get information about your sleep, it means nothing. So that I could learn why I can't sleep. Yeah. But it means nothing if you, you know. I know. I know. I'm not saying.

You're wrong. I just, I just don't do it in the first place. The bigger mistake was saying, what fetish is. Which he frames is like a very innocent question. I just asked her what fetishes she's into. What fetishes? Nope. That's a horny man's mistake right there.

That was a curiosity of a horny man. You don't ask about the fetishes. He's a man. Talk about a man who doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. He has not, he is cold with defensiveness. He is so mad that he is the villain. He does not think he deserves to be the villain. He has not learned anything.

He's like, I guess you deserve to be mad at me. And he wrote the letter. He wrote a letter. better get fucked. Yeah, he wrote a letter to her parents apologizing. Yeah, fuck, fuck, Stephen. And what else?

Yeah, that's it. There's the rest of the, whatever, the rest of them. Leo is a monster. Leo shows up, right? Leo and Britney show up. Yes. I hate.

I think I might hate Leo more than any other man. Yeah, I really don't like Leo. Yeah. I really don't like him. Yuck and a lot. He's so lucky. All these, all these important people in his life died. He's so lucky.

And then Rams's is a broken man as well. And I'm not saying, he doesn't deserve to be broken. Maybe he does, but he's very sad. He's like, the way Cole at the reunion was like, like, are you okay? Like, are you going to make it out of here? And Rams just looks like a chastised bad boy in the corner. And at one point, he got bopped. And at one point, they're like, do you have to, he broke up with Marissa because he wasn't feeling it. And destroyed her, like, right after they applied for the marriage license. They, like, he was like, he's like, you know what? I don't like your energy. I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, I don't like, I'm not

I'm not here to defend Ramss. He's an asshole. Not for breaking up with her, though. That was more to do with like, he had to, like, he didn't want to wear a condom. But then he defended himself about that. Did you watch that part? He defended himself about that. He was like, that's not what happened.

He says that there he was, that basically the edit was misrepresentative of the conversation about condoms. Right. And that like it is, you know, like, understandably his feelings on military are very different than her feelings on military. But I don't think that that makes him an asshole. for how, because of how he was raised and what he was raised amongst.

So I imagine that they just come from very different backgrounds. Yeah, that part, I mean, I think their conversation about the military was fascinating and cool that it took place on Love is Blind. I just think maybe he's not meant for her. Oh, yeah.

And also, unfortunately, he kind of gives, like, the shit he's talking about. He just comes up, like, I feel like at first you're like, oh, cool, like a guy on Love is Blind who's talking about colonialism, and then he turns out to be a dirty dog, and he just makes it all look bad. Dirty, dirty dog.

I know we shit on Leo a lot because we should because he sucks. But what do we think about Britney? Because I kind of think she sucks too. Oh, yes. She sucks too. No, they were perfect for each other. She's definitely just like, I just want, I mean, I don't know.

I'll always have a... I just want everyone to take care of me and I'm so hot that everyone just pays for my existence. You know what? Although I shouldn't say that that's bitchy because I genuinely like that. Someone that is that like, like, assured, that honest with herself or whatever. That honest that she's very openly like... it. Sure.

It doesn't mean you want to be in a relationship with it. I respect hustle and like, in like a drive to do something. Yes. So it always just grinds my gears a little bit. It's like,

I just want to be useless and just be like, taken care of. Just kind of dragged around. Yeah, yeah. It's like, okay. I mean, it's, it's got to be nice.

I mean, for some people, it's got to be really, really great. But I think it would drive me better. Right. But I did, you know what, while it was not my favorite season of love is blind, I did enjoy watching it and I'm glad.

I feel like sometimes I get to the end of some shows like this and I'm like, why the fuck am I still watching this? Right. Why am I even? You know, honestly, where we get at the end of like a milf man. Right. When we're like, why this isn't going anywhere? Why are we?

It's Calvin Ball at this point. They're just sort of like making it up as they go along and they don't really have anything to have. In fact, I literally, you know, that was kind of like I'm watching Flavor of Love season two right now on my Monday watchlong. And they literally are floundering so bad in that show about halfway through because like all the drunk crazy people get eliminated. And the show got real, like, boring. They just actively brought in New York and had her join the cast. That's great. I love it. I hope New York gets paid so well because she is the reason that show. Houseville and Season 2, by the way. I haven't started it yet. I'm really excited to get. get into it. Apparently, it is batch it immediately, and New York is amazing on it. So I loved House of Villain Season 1, so I'm very excited to watch House of Villain Season 2, but we have not started

it yet. Oh, I'm so mad. It's behind a paywall. Yeah, it is. I'm going to buy the season, though. I'm going to buy the season. I don't care. I did it. I'm trying to find a behind the paywall of Martha Stewart's real review of her documentary that I watched. I'm trying to find out the specifics of why she hated the doc. Yeah, I was going to ask about that. I guess we I was talking about that on the leftovers. I was confused because she, like, spoke towards the documentary, not in necessarily a negative way in the articles. And I was like, wait, I thought she hated this movie. Anyways, we'll get to it in the leftovers.

But last night, made a nice steak dinner, baked potato, glasses of wine. And we sat down and finally threw on Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. And I agree with what most people is. Like, I enjoyed it enough. But I think because I just did an episode on Beetlejuice for Wizard and the bruiser, it's very much stuck in my head the original is. And I do feel like they, I feel, I kind of wish the sequel were paste more like the original and had a little bit more of the weird vibe of the, it was definitely much more of like a movie, just, I don't know,

you know, it really just goes to show like when someone's at the beginning of their career, they can make like, you know, a Pee-Wee Herman's big adventure or, you know, Beetlejuice and people are drawn to it because it doesn't feel like every other movie out there. You know, and I feel like as, I keep wanting to say Terry Gilliam, but what's his name? As he's gotten, Tim Burton. As he's gotten older, he's sort of like fallen into the trap of just kind of like almost like playing more too much by the rules. You know what I mean?

But it's a lot better than like the last, I want to say, six or seven movies Tim Burton has made. It's a lot better. Yeah. I feel like he was trying something that was like, because I feel like the other movies that he had been doing as of late were trying so hard to be accessible but it just wasn't him it's just not him necessarily yeah they were like real mariah carries you know just these kind of like laminated plastic things you know that um just come out every november or whatever uh and and yeah i think

that it they did it i still enjoyed it and i still think it was like you know better than i yeah definitely could have been. But yeah, it was definitely, had the original in the back of my head. Of course, Michael Keaton kills it.

And I just, I just wish he in his career had gotten to play more crazy roles. Like, I definitely want to go back and watch Birdman again. I want to see Birdman again. I haven't seen it in like so long

and I loved that movie. And I just like when he gets to play really insane characters. Like, it's just so damn fun. Multiplicity. Just slap on multiplicity again. I won't say that I'll stand by.

all the things that are sad or happen in the movie multiplicity, but man, he does, he bangs out multiple characters at once. Absolutely. Yeah, anyways, just wanted to throw that in there, a little date night hang that wasn't sad. Love it. Old people being sad or... Well, Martha, the Martha documentary is not sad.

It is about an old person, but it is about an old person that is a lot of fun to learn about. Now, I want to know what the story. scalding review is and it is on the New York Times and I cannot open it because I will not pay for the New York Times. Now, I know that she had issues with it. I know that she originally said that it was too much about the trial, but I was so fascinated by this doc. Really? And her just sitting there talk because I, I feel like we all know Martha.

to Stewart. But even like of thinking about the fact that I'd never thought about her in the light that she was the first influencer. She created, in fact, Jeff said in a way that I really appreciated. He's like, if you think about it, she's like the Arnold Schwarzenegger. Like before Arnold Schwarzenegger came to this country and did, was it pumping iron? Was it like before he got into all of that, He was already a very successful person That decided to be An action start like be like very very strong and be known for how strong he is and his acting and not having a tumor. Yeah And he was the first person to do that

He kind of invented that type right that you look at Martha Stewart and you look at all the people that have tried to be Martha Stewart And she was the one that started Wow, yeah. Yeah, she was the one that was like your home should look like mine, your food should look like mine. And also in a way that I never really thought about before was that like Martha Stewart did it in a way. I always thought that she was more of like the I know where it's like, oh, we're on the Hamptons and oh, we do it. But I never really like watched Martha Stewart's stuff. And it was way more of the, it doesn't matter how much money you have. You can live a life that is more elevated.

And it was more about that. It is. And it is more about like, I mean, obviously, let's be real. People that don't have the money can't host and entertain to that capacity. But there are things that you can do that can elevate what you bring and what you, like how you live. And thinking about it in that way and like what she would be if she didn't go to prison. And thinking about. And thinking about. where would that have gone? Because the fact that she bottomed the fuck out and then crawled and refused to be, to let that be her end. And I know that like, I'm so sad that she is so upset about this doc because I am so inspired even more by Martha Stewart than I was before. Yeah. I love the idea that you get inspired to go to prison. You get inspired to commit a crime and go to prison. No, I'm inspired by the fact that I didn't realize the first thing she did afterwards was be a part of the roast of Justin Bieber.

Wow. And went up and crushed and did a whole thing of, well, you're already on your way to prison. So let me give you some advice of how to get through prison. So smart. So funny. The fact that she owned the prison. thing is by far, I've said it before, but like it's the most compelling thing about her career. I think if she hadn't gone to prison yet, maybe she would have just kept rising to the top

and she would be like the ultimate. But also maybe she would have just kind of become irrelevant. Right. Who knows? Just as easy to imagine being like, oh yeah, remember when everybody cared what Martha Stewart thought, you know? Would she have pivoted? Would she have been like, okay, now I can see because you think about the Martha Stewart we know now versus the Martha Stewart we knew in the 90s and because she was the idea of perfection. And of course she had her public downfall because everybody loves to watch the perfect one fail. We also love a redemption story.

And on top of it, we love a redemption story. Not always for felons, though. No. I think it's kind of amazing. Usually not for felons, right? So it's kind of amazing that she was able to be like, yes, I went to federal prison. And then the office.

couple thing. And then coming out with Snoop is like so brilliant. And the fact that like she in prison was like very standoffish at first, but then realized like, oh wait, I would be so much better from just Martha Stewart in prison. And she became friends with everybody. Yeah, that's awesome. That is, I want to watch. And like how that changed her mind. Yeah. And I'm sorry, but that would be such a good movie. Like what, of course, that would be such a good bio. pick if it was just focused on that part of her life and I know she would hate it and it probably needs to be made after she's dead but what a good like orange is the new black but like martha stewart like you know kind of yeah kind of a shaw shanky kind of thing you know orange is the new black

meets the martha stew church meets the martha stewart show circa the 1990s yeah i'm here for it so good that's yeah i mean because you know what is missing from the ina garden life story is anything interesting. Yeah, hard time. Yeah, anything interesting. Yeah, drama. There's no ups and downs. It's just been great. Her book is called Be Ready when the luck happens. No, I haven't finished it. I can't. Every time I'm like, should I listen to this book? I'm like, no, I'm going to listen to something else. But I will finish it. And there is, the numbers, the numbers. What is the, what this? Yes, right. Once I'm not refreshing 538 every day, I'll have time to finish Ina Garton's book. But it's just, it's, the contrast is

hilarious because, yeah, Anna Gartan's thing is like, that's when I, my, my backpack in time with Jeffrey across France showed me the real importance of good ingredients. And Martha Stewart is like I made Martha Stewart show in prison. I can do anything. Yeah, it's such a different story.

I don't even know about 538 and this looks like a nightmare. I'm trying to the fuck are you doing. No, you lose yourself in television instead. In fact, if you don't want to be thinking about... It is terrible. It's not good. I'm not talking about this anymore.

In fact, if you don't want to be thinking about that, you should definitely get your butt to the movie theater and check out the movie, Anora. Now, I had seen the trailer for this movie a couple of times. I was like, oh, I guess this looks good. A-24 movie. Sean Baker, who's the dude that did Tangerine and Florida Project. And I was like, oh, I bet this is going to be really good. Y'all, it's really, really, really good.

It is very, I feel like the trailer does not do enough for this movie. The movie is essentially about a young sex worker in Brooklyn that meets a very, very, very rich young person and they get married. And it's about what happens to them and about them. And that's all I knew going into the movie. And that's all I'm going to tell you about. And I will say definitely Mikey Madison, this young person that plays the lead, Anora, she was in the newer scream movie. Wow.

What a performance by this young woman. Anora is a very, very good movie. It is not, it was weird coming out of like 31 for 31, and this was like the first not horror movie I've watched in a month. And you forget how good a movie can be. even when it's not scary. You know that it's just of just a banger of a movie, that it's just really well written, really well acted,

and I was really surprised by it. Awesome. Okay. All right. Is that it? Are we singing the song? I guess so, but also, if you guys haven't checked out what we do in the shadows yet, keep watching it's coming out week to week.

Oh, yeah. Hell yeah. Hopefully we'll be caught up on Agatha next week. We could talk about that a little bit more, the three of us. Love it. All right. November. Which is in Vamps in November, Mariah, you'll never take it away.

You'll never take it away. Sorry, he's taking. All right. We're talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie talking TV. And so it's going to get wacky because everybody knows and everyone knows. And everybody knows we're watching shows. We're talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie. Bye, everybody.

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