Page 7 - Talkin' TV - Look at Me I Can't Walk!

Episode Date: February 5, 2025

This week on Talkin' TV Holden, MJ, and Jackie reflect on the social immaturity of the Real Housewives and get into the dark side of family vloggin' with "An Update on Our Family" and the horribly sad tale of Huxley. Jackie gets into "The Detroiters" and is lovin' it, and MJ finally checked out "A Real Pain." Holden continues the frog narrated "The Curious Case Of..." which featured Nicholas Rossi aka, Arthur Knight aka, Nicholas Alahverdian aka, a sex offender who faked his own death, staying with Max, MJ got into "Baylen Out Loud", Holden reviews "Biggest Heist Ever" and "Sons of Ecstasy" while Jackie says GO SEE "COMPANION!" All that and more on this week's Talkin' TV!  Real Housewives of Salt Lake City - PeacockAn Update on Our Family - MaxDetroiters - NetflixA Real Pain - HuluThe Curious Case Of... - MaxBaylen Out Loud - Discovery+, MaxBiggest Heist Ever - NetflixThe Sons of Ecstasy - MaxThe Companion - IN THE THEATAHHHHH Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

with MJ Holden and Jackie talking TV And you know it's gonna get wacky Because everybody knows and everybody knows And everybody knows what I chose We're talking TV With MJ Holden and Jackie Yeah Oh my God, I just want to talk like Meredith Marks

I just want to be Meredith Marks She's from Real House of Salt Lake City I know that we've got I just want to talk like Lisa Barla. Yeah, because she's an East Coaster. She's an East Coaster. I am, my husband had a big show over the last weekend.

So he was in his space working every night towards the big show. And then he was out of town for the big show. And I was able to watch 15 episodes of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City this week. I'll never catch up to you. You're never going to catch up to me, MJ. I have the freedom. I'm sorry. I'm just saying,

I'm just going to say, I'm sorry for you that you cannot do this because I really do like, they are my family. Yeah, like I, I can't live without them.

I don't know what I'm going to do because this season five is about to be over and I don't know how I'm going to continue. You would like know you find the strength to lift a car off of them if you needed to. I would do anything for them. I talk as them. I like,

but here's the thing. Until just this moment, I have no one to talk to about it besides care. Like, I see Kara once every, like we, like I barely say, I talk to no one. I live in a silence where no one can hear my screams. And I love them. Yeah.

Yeah. I love Meredith Marks. I love Lisa Barlow. I love the crazy cousins. I love Heather Day. I love her. Yeah. Oh, she's such a bitch.

They're all such bitches. And like I did take, like Kara had asked me weeks ago, who would you hang out with if you could? And I was like Lisa Barlow. Yeah. And she thought that I was a crazy person. I was like, how dare? Lisa Barlow, obviously, I want to be drinking Vita tequila. I want her, she's going to scream at me every other hour.

I'm fine with it. I can handle it. I'm a bitch too. Yeah, I think I would choose. I would choose Lisa Barlow. I think that's the only choice, actually. Yeah, and they're all evil. Who did Kara choose?

You know what? I realized I didn't even ask her back because I talked about it so much. I just talked about how I want to hang out with Lisa Barlow and I want to be Meredith Marks. And I know, I don't know what I'm, I mean, I do know what I'm going to do when it's done. I'm just going to either start, I think, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills or, you know, a New Jersey, or I, you know, I'm going to start another one of the huge ones because I don't know what I'm going to do with myself. You know what it is? It's like the fact that they have nothing to do, but that they always look great. I think that's, if I could boil it down to like the singular

desire that that show engenders in me, it's the desire to have nothing to do but to look fantastic while you do it, you know? They have parties to plan. And I feel like I have never, ever in my life thought about a glam squad. I never wanted a glam squad. I never would have cared about a glam squad. But hearing the amount that they talk about their glam squads and how they travel with their glam squads, it really makes me want a glam squad.

Is it glam squad? I think there is a literal company called the glam squad that you can call to have you do your makeup. And I think they did my makeup for my wedding. Oh. But you're talking about like an informal squad of women to do your bidding? Yeah, I want to live, I want them to live in quarters in my house so that like they can just be in my disposal. You know what I mean?

Like I think that like. To bring you like a fur vest. Yes, when I need it. Just for whenever. Like just when I need like a little bit of extra. Because I really do, I don't want to dress in high fashion though, but I do want to dress like them. And now I've met Bronwyn in this season. and a friend of mine did ask,

how do you feel about Bronwyn? Now, MJ, you have not met Bronwyn yet. And I did, you know, slurp up many, many episodes. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to talk about SLC this much, but it just kind of falls out of my mouth. But I do have a brawn when I have got. It's Utah. What is this your town?

It's Utah. You got to get ready for a whole lot of names. Oh, a woman. Oh, yes. Put in combinations of syllables together that you've never heard before. I mean, I hate Dakota. Like, I hate that name so much. But Bronwyn is a man, I love her fits.

She's coming in hard with the amazing, amazing fits. But I was like, I think I hate her, though. But this is my problem is now I've hung out with the bitches in the bitch squad for so long. Then I'm like, oh, go ahead. Try to sit by us. And I feel like I'm a part of them, even though I'm not. And this is the sadness of what this show. show has become for me. And don't get me wrong, I've seen a lot of other things this week that we

are going to talk about. I didn't just watch this, but this is what filled my every, like, every waking moment if I wasn't watching something that I was really trying to pay attention to. I think it's because if you've ever been a middle school girl, you know, this just, their behavior, it speaks to a, there's a primal recognition in it, you know, like, it's such a, thrill to watch two women be bitches to each other. And in the effortless way, they're so not afraid of just being huge bitches to each other and being mean and start in fights. And it's just, it's like, because we've all like lived that life at some point because

again, we were all in middle school. And so there's just something about watching women in their 50s, you know, or upper 40s, do it to each other. and with the same reckless abandon that the meanest girl from sixth grade approached her gym interactions with. You know, it's so familiar and yet also so alien. Well, just, you know, most people between the ages of 12 and 45 like learn how to stop hurting people's feelings on purpose. Yes. And they did it.

And they love it. They never did. They get off on it. And there is, I don't know why it's so comforting, but I think it's that because we all know what it's like. to be around bitches, you know? It's a universal human experience. Yeah. And I, you know, I, I came, I saw, and I need all of them.

And I don't know what I'm going to do with myself. The one of the bigger discussions today, the series that MJ actually texted us about ended up falling right into what, I forget, it has an annoyingly long name, an update about our family. An update on our family. family. An update on our family, which is also the name of the video they posted. This is very spun, like spun someplace underneath podcast with Amber and Natalie.

Spend a lot of time dedicated to, you know, talking about like family bloggers, mommy bloggers, and how fucked and weird and awful it is. And specifically family vloggers, which is. Oh, yeah, yeah, I guess blog is a written. Yeah. Family YouTube vloggers, which I do think is an interesting difference from like I'm more in the world of like Instagram mom fluencers. And I am in fact reading a book thanks to a listener recommendation called mom fluencers right now. That's like, but that's more advice and words of wisdom.

Exactly. That was my, the way that I came to it is it's tips. And also it's Instagram. So even if you're watching a reel or a story, it's 30 seconds at a time. You go right, and yeah, there is a lot of, like, way too much oversharing of your families on there. But, again, it's usually, even the accounts that I have the most parasocial relationships where I know all the kids, which is so weird. It is weird. It's not normal and it's not okay.

But, like, usually I came to them because, like, they're the organization person, you know, and the way that they teach you about organization is like, here are my four kids and here's how I organize their shit or whatever. But then YouTube family vlogging is something that I don't think. any of the three of us have ever, like, engaged with as a medium. And it is people spending hours and hours watching. I'm so confused by all of it, the people who watch it, the people who do it. None of it makes sense to me, especially as a person who, like, has a, I'm like, kind of inundated in a family scenario. You have enough family at home.

This might sound very dumb, though, for people, because until watching this docuseries, I didn't understand because I've literally never watched a family vlog before. And it wasn't until this docu series that I actually understood what family vlogging was. Yeah. And how much of their everyday lives that are shown and how even just like the every, like the every moment of a day is edited down and, and and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and. given to other people that I just can't imagine. And I'm saying this as someone that watched 15 episodes of Real House on Salt Lake City that like I can't imagine watching. If you've got kids at home screaming,

please explain to me. Why would you want to watch? Is it just because you feel like a sense of community? And I'm genuinely asking, does it make you feel like, oh, she's going through a two so I know that I'm not? I mean, I guess it's got to be that, right? I guess it's funny because this is coming at a,

at the same time of us lampooning and shitting on the Baldwin show coming out. And also being like, like, oh my God, I'm going to hate watch the shit out of this because who on God's Green Earth wants to watch like seven extremely like happy to be unruly kids in a space with rich people?

Like, it just, it just is, it's like outwardly annoying to me. Like nothing about it. But that's an apt comparison though, Holden, these, what the family vloggers do is just package themselves as a reality show and people love reality, right? And so, and, and the, the documentary is put together. But I want to see drunk 20 something scream and fuck. I don't want to see a fucking, a bunch of a house of annoying

children like make messes. Yeah. And go, oh, you know, Barden made another mess. I'm trying to come on with idiotic names, right? And, and, you know, that just seems not fun for me to do while I'm relaxing. Now, you brought up a good point before we even started like, hey, Holden, be careful. You know, we have pairs of social relationships stuff going on, you know? But I like to think at least this, like, if you're going to come hang out with me while I watch trash reality, we're going to joke around, commiserate about stuff. I'm going to hopefully like make you laugh. And maybe these annoying children are making these people laugh. I don't know. But I don't get a laugh off of families being families generally. You know what I mean? I think it's more like this weird thing where you feel like you're

in the family, you know? I can see that. Maybe it's like only children wanting to like be in a family. That's maybe. Or people that came from large families. Yeah. Yeah. We're thinking about starting a family.

I, you know, I think that there's that. But also I, it's been interesting to me. It was interesting for me to watch this because you guys have been talking so much more about YouTube lately. YouTube for the longest time was a, was a entire medium that I was not really, that was just, I did, YouTube is not how I can. my media. Now, that said, when I was transitioning, I got really into certain YouTube channels because I was like, oh, this is great, like a first, first hand accounts of people and their

experience with transitioning and stuff. But the documentary is like the various talking heads they have throughout it are all are people who are fans, like of the channel, who were fans of the channel. And they talk about their relationship with YouTube. And the main, the main people person that they speak with is also an adoptee and also a parent. And so she talks about like, yeah, I just, I have YouTube on all the time. I do it. I watch it for makeup. I watch Get Ready's with me. That's how I get my fashion. That's how I get my like. And so YouTube, if that's like your, the millennial version of TV is always on, then, okay, I guess sometimes I'm going to have this family channel in the back. And all of the YouTube thumbnails are presented as like,

Huxley did this crazy thing. It has that kind of YouTube packaging. And so, yeah, this one specifically, we've got, we're talking about, it's about family vloggers, but this specific family in question, it's called an update on our family because that is the name of the video that they posted. And the update was that they had decided to basically re-home unadopted, adopted child. Unadopted their adopted child. Yeah, yeah.

Which brings up a whole other slew. Like, I want to get into that. But before we even get into that, I just want to state that, like, the very simple feeling, besides just being like, I don't get why people want to watch it. I don't get why people want to do it other than to make a shitload of money. Obviously, that's why people would want to do it. I mean, I get why they want to do it. Oh, yeah.

At the end of the day, it's largely featuring very young children who clearly don't have, like, any kind of say in this. Or consent. Yes. Yes. Yes. At the end of the day, it kind of reminds me of. This is another thought I had.

I'm like, I'm really looking forward to the many, I'm glad my mom died. Yes. We have in our future because of these family vlog situations, because I'm sure we're going to have a lot of memoirs and things coming from these children later in life being like, man, am I glad my fucking mom died? Yes. My narcissist crazy, greedy mom. I'm so glad that I no longer am in this toxic situation where we had to like stop everything that we were doing. when we were trying to just be like a fun family and film it and choreograph it. Anyways, these kids have no consent.

And even if they are asked their consent, they're in a very specific situation where, of course, that you're going to want whatever mommy wants. You're going to want whatever is going to put a smile on mommy and daddy's face. So it's all compromised and gross and weird. The way that child actors don't have enough rights, but have some rights, right? And I feel like that's... There's no hours. There's no...

Yes, there's no... oversight. There's no regulation. Absolutely. And yeah, I think, to be honest, I think the documentary does a pretty good job talking about the issues around adoption. And I think none of the three of us really know are, you know, can really speak on that part. Every conflict, there's at least one bitch. A huge bitch, a silly bitch. A little baby bitch. A raggedy bitch. But sometimes it's unclear who the bitch is. I'm Kara Klank. And I'm Jackie Zabrowski. And on our new Colin advice podcast, we're going to help you figure out. Who's the bitch? We want to hear your problems, dilemmas, and quandaries. No topic is off limits. Does your co-worker flirt with the boss to get ahead? Is your bestie having her destination wedding on a holiday weekend?

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live on air. Help us, help you figure out Who's the bitch? That opened up just a whole other can of worms of like, oh, yeah, there could definitely be situations where, you know, a family adopts. And then it's just isn't, you know, it's just like too much with, you know, what's going on with the kid or the environment for the kids just not right. And, and, you know, whatever.

And, and, and I do understand the logic, too, where like, hey, I'm like helping this kid out by removing them from this situation that's just not a good place. for them, you know? So I'd see where that's reality. Because the whole documentary is centered around this adoption drama that happened with this family, where they adopt this kid and then they, like, just crazily enough, even though all these people are watching largely because of this, like, kids adoption journey. That's like a big part. And they weirdly name him Huxley as an Asian child. And they're filming them all the time and stuff. And then just like, no more Huxley. And everyone's like, where's Huxley? We're always watching for Huxley, which is already like, again, if... They just try to disappear him. They make all the videos. They pretend like he never existed.

And meanwhile, they're... Yeah, they pretend like he never existed. Also... They're scrubbing him from everything. The channel had grown hugely because of him. So they specifically profiteered off of this child. That annoys me too. What person are you that you're like, hey, where's my entertainment with this adopted Asian child. Where's my Asian adoption child entertainment? It went away. I need it every day. So let's, yeah, so there's a lot to talk about, we don't want to spend the whole episode on this, but I think there's a lot of angles to come at this documentary, which is really interesting.

Again, I don't think any of the three of us are authorities to talk about adoption itself, but that aspect is really interesting. That was almost just more interesting. Really, they do, and they talk to a lot of adoptees, transracial adoptees specifically, who talk about their experience. and that part, I think, is done really well. Yes. And yes, there also is the weirdness of the people, the YouTube sleuths who then try to figure out exactly. Like, we, maybe we'll talk about this. By noticing missing.

But it's also insane to just try to, like, erase a human being from your lifestyle YouTube channel is insane. So they, like, tried to pretend that this kid who they had just built their channel on, basically. They already had a successful channel. Yeah, but it kind of became focused on this adoption journey. Then they tried to pretend he didn't exist. And then YouTube sleuths were like, what the hell is happening? And so, yeah, there's all sorts of interesting things to think about that this brings up. But yeah, I think for page seven purposes, it's just the fact that this is an entertainment industry that is based on sharing private moments of minors.

You know, it's just it is. Yeah, it's so weird to me. And that was the thing, you know, is there's like a, there's a template family, essentially, that they keep going to that's sort of like isn't embroiled in any crazy drama that does this for a living to kind of show you almost, it's almost like the, you know, what do you call it in like a science experiment? They're like the control group. Yeah. Yeah. And, and but that in itself, like, oh, Earls fam, shout out to all my Earl's fam. I was scared of them.

I think I was scared of them more than anybody. They were terrible. To me, there's no difference here. They are just as bad. If not, maybe worse, who knows? Because it's the same thing to me. I'm just mortified at the idea, you know, in the way he was like,

initially I was just all about the numbers and trying to figure it out. And hey, I'm all about the numbers these days. I'm really trying to figure out how to tap in the algorithm. A child is not involved. Winnie is not ever going to be involved in that. I say you lay it on her shoulders.

I say, Winnie, it's time to step up. It's time to start making money from this family. Get out in front of that camera. That's so fucking weird and whack and crazy to me, you know, that they think this is healthy and reasonable. But I'm also, it's one of those where like when something weird and gross comes out, you know, let's say like girls gone wild or something like that, right? And you also just go like, but also these fucking wackos that are watching this shit. Yeah. What's up with those fucking people are like bumfighting?

or something. It's just like, and there's a market for this? The fact that a market exists makes me want to throw up, much less like the people who do it. To that point, Holden, there was a huge, I think it was a New York Times story from last year about the extent to which images posted of minors online from influencers end up in the hands of very disgusting people on the internet. And so I, I, I, I, and I've talked about this on the show before, I have gone back and forth since becoming a parent of like, I want to, this is my life.

I want to share my kids. They're my life. Like, this is who we are. And then being like, no, I'm not going to do that. You know, and I, and I, but like, this time story was just like, you know, because there's this a huge industry of tween girls posting their fashion stuff, posting their skincare routine, all of that stuff. And it's like, do the fashion, do the skincare routine, all of that.

But once your parents are posting it online for profit and you're reaching an audience of hundreds of thousands of people, you cannot control who's consuming those images. Those images are getting saved. And I try not to be like, danger lurks at every corner because in general, I don't think that's true. But danger lurks at every corner.

Online, danger lurks in every corner. Yes. And full disclosure, like, I've posted pictures with Winnie on, like, Instagram. If when he walks into the room, if the door's not locked or whatever, for whatever reason, and when he walks in the room during a live stream, I wants to say hello, I always, but I always make sure she, like, wants to do it. It's not all of your content about her. No, and it's very quick, and it's... Totally. I had, Freddie was on our stream last week because she was homesick. It happens. That's why I'm saying, I'm, I'm not against mom fluencers either. Even if she's like in a state

of undress, you know, I go, you got to get out of here, like put some clothes. on. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want her on camera. I'm fine with having her on camera, not at all. But it's one, it's more one of those things where I also don't want to make her be like, when daddy's in his back room, baby can't come back here. You know, I also want to be weird. So I kind of try to find the happy balance of like, hey, if you come back here, we'll say hi. If you want to say something cute into the microphone, you can and be on your way and not really connected to the actual work I am doing, you know. So, just so people aren't like, you had fucking winning on the,

was on the camera the other day. I, that, you know, so there is, full disclosure on that, but I would never, ever, and I, you know,

I even had a whole thing with my wife a long time ago about how I, had really wanted, put my foot down and got ahead of, like, she will never be going out for, like, TV and film audition.

She will never, I will, I just cannot bear it. Right. Because, you know, and this was before I read, I'm glad my mom died, but it was triple,

quadruple confirmed reading. I'm glad my mom died. How insidious the industry can be, how impossible it is to tell whether or not, you know, a child really wants to do something or whether they're just doing it because they see it makes their parents happy. And then once money gets involved, it will just corrupt everything. You can have the best intentions and money gets involved and it can make just things bad. So I just like, I really don't ever. And also, my whole argument is like, no kid wants to go to an audition for like a pharmaceutical company commercial. Like it just is not a thing.

But like they will if you get them an agent and like, you know what I mean? And whatever. And that's up to the parents to decide that's just my decision on that. I just, I really don't dig it. I don't like the vibes of it. But also it's like, you know, in the adoption process or at least what they were showing in the in the show is that like they specifically were like, Yeah, we're down to have a, to adopt a child with any kind of developmental needs. Anything, we got it.

I think it's also, if there's one thing we could take from this, is that like, because I imagine that, like, I hope they didn't do that just because they thought that it would get them more views. That's the central question of the documentary. Did they, did they adopt this child for their YouTube? I mean, it seems like that. the case. Because like I feel like they were trying to do this whole angle of like, because when you adopt

you like never know what trash you're going to get. Like I feel like they were coming at it from such a way of like, obviously they didn't say it like that. But it's like, no, you like specifically said that you were capable of taking care of a child with possibly intensive developmental needs. Like they're like you knew of what you could possibly be getting into. And that is a huge choice. That is something that should be discussed.

And I feel like that's also part of what all of this makes me so viscerally upset is that like, God, did they really just do it just because they're like, well, I mean, if anything, it's going to make great content. And it's like, don't get me wrong. Sometimes I'll read a different book because I think it would make great content. But I'm not here adopting a child because of it. Yes. It's the commodification of the children. It's probably some kind of mixture of both, but I still think it should literally be in legislation that if you adopt a kid, they can't appear on your fucking YouTube channel regularly. Or you can't adopt a child and turn that.

That's like, that's fucking slave labor. I mean, at the end of the day, isn't it? I mean, it's so weird. It's so. What the fuck? The way that they, and they, they, yeah, they use it to enhance their own image and they talk about how they just want to help and they're ready for anything. You will never be able to convince me that it is healthy and good for a child with an extreme autism situation to be put in the position of like performing on a camera for a YouTube channel. Like I just seems based on what I know about autism, just basic understanding of it, it seems that that is just an extremely inappropriate position.

And yes, they didn't know the kid had the autism diagnosis, but they're also like hiding behind. that where it's like, well, we didn't know. But, or anyone or any kid, there's no way, there's no anxiety involved and being adopted and removed from your, you know, the people who were your caretakers, who this child had a very positive relationship, by the way, and it was extremely difficult for them to switch. It's a trauma. Like, and, you know, I think that our society is just getting to the point where we're having a more healthy conversation around adoption, like being something that is not inherently

negative, but it is inherently traumatic for the child and that the adoptive parents should approach to how they raise their child knowing that this is something that the child, you know, is going to need support with. Huge traumas, yes. Yeah, and the families... Because guess what's even more traumatic. You're

essentially told that your parents didn't want you. Then you get adopted and then you find out again that they don't want you. That's fucking trauma, bro. And that all of it was, all of it was public. That's the, you know, that all of it was public. That's traumatic.

Yes. And also for anyone that is listening to us, I'm just going to go ahead and I guess spoil it just so you know in case maybe you're like, I can't watch the Huxley, whoever, whatever family he is with now, he is being taken care of, he is loved, he is not in a dangerous situation anymore. He is good and okay. I hope he recovers from the fucking traumas that he has undergone. Tastefully, they very tastefully kind of in a way remove him from the videos he's

in, by the way, which I thought was... Yeah, that's a great thing about the documentary. They blur out all the kids' faces. And then because he's a central character, they did kind of like a cartoon, like a black and white. They don't do it on the YouTube channel. You know what I mean?

Of him. It's just... Oh, yeah. No, it's just... The documentary brings up a lot. And of course, this is another thing where if you are a listener and you can speak to the specific issues around this, specifically the adoption piece, that we would love to hear from here. There's a lot of adult adoptee. I follow several

channels of adult adoptees speaking out about what their experiences were like and what kind of best practices for adoptive parents, especially transracial adoptive parents. That's why I like this docu series. I liked that that person, I believe her name was Hannah, of talking about, just like talking about her experience as an adoptee and she was a fan as well. So I thought that it was a really good crossover. Like the docu series made me filled with rage just because I really didn't know that much about the world of family vloggers. And I guess I always thought they were like, oh, they're edited

YouTube videos I could put out. I didn't realize quite that it was like a real housewives of a family experience of like just showing it all. Real Housewives of this three year olds is going through the hardest time of his life. Actually, I shouldn't even say Real Housewives'was because they at least get edits. If they're being too much of a bitch, they're going to get a bad edit. These kids shouldn't be, they're choosing to do this. So that's a huge difference. But I think that's a great way of thinking about it. Like, okay, you have decided to cast your three-year-old who is going through a huge life change, who is going through something traumatic, who might also have, you know, developmental needs that need support right now. And you're going to videotape his therapies.

You're going to videotape his meltdowns. You're going to videotape you scolding him. Oh, my God. You're going to put all of that out in public. That scene when she was talking about how expensive. It's so expensive because he's got to go to these therapists. he's got to go to these doctors so expensive and then she was wearing like a, you know,

a $3,600 like a cardiac, yeah, like a cardiac bracelet. A cardiere. Crazy. Yeah, you're not even going to invest in that your, your fucking, you know, product. Like, look at it like that at least. And after

weeks and weeks of videos of saying, we will do whatever, whatever help this child needs, we're ready to help. And then, yeah, she makes a video with her cardiac bracelet saying, we're not going to spend $500 a month on speech therapy. And it's like, yeah. And, you know, at least it's one of those where it's like, and they had to go away.

And sure. And fine, I guess. Yeah, we talk about how nobody really gets canceled. They, one of the lines of the documentary is like, they're gone. Really. They had to go. But, you know, it's still a giant industry that is not okay, you know. That's the thing.

One family experienced consequences from this. Every other family vlog still going strong. And there's some legislation in a couple of states now about it that a certain number Remember, if your channel or your account features your children more than a certain percentage of time, then you have to prove that you are paying the children a certain percentage of your income. Yeah. I should look up the specifics of this, but there are, this is something that there is like some legislation being. It's fair.

They can't even join a union. It's like even like kid actors can at least join. It's like this, I am, I'm angry. Honestly, I would say maybe don't want. the docu series. I was so angry by the end of it. Yeah. It is upset. I was so angry. I was highly entertained by it. I was just, I was like, read articles about it because I'm angry that like, that they're even like, like, I know that it's good to know about these things so that you know about the, like, the scary sides of all of these kinds of, um, you know, environments for people,

but I'm just, I'm, I guess I'm happy I know about it now. It's just a, yeah, it really is a illuminative glimpse into this particular part of the internet that probably shouldn't exist. No. And I will say just as a tiny after, if you need a bit of an amuse-boosh after watching it, I texted, I think you about this, Holden, that for the first time, I just started watching the Detroiters. Oh, I don't know if you did text me about this. Yeah, but yeah, I've heard it's amazing.

I have never watched the Detroiters. It came out in 2017. It is two seasons. And I'm just going to say, this humor is not for everybody. Oh, Tim Robinson. It's not everybody's bag. But it is Tim Robinson and Sam Richardson. And I have had to pause this show multiple times because I'm laughing so hard.

There are certain, this show is so, in fact, there's one episode that Che wrote that I died through the episode. I Jeff has just put it on because he's like I've always been told to watch the Detroiters and it's like I feel like I've also been always told to watch the Detroiters and I dare say that I think that I'm going to watch this show it's going to be a new comfort show for me in particular because it's so fun all of my issues that you have so often with sitcoms is that they're so wrote and it is so like okay it's so formulaic and and this one is not. And in a way of that, like, it also breaks all sitcom stereotypes.

Like, for instance, I know it's really silly, but it's like Tim Robinson is crazy in this show, but man, he loves his wife. And it's like things like that where it's like, it's like, every time you think like, oh, then he's going to be like this, they never are. And like, Tim Robinson is married to Sam Richardson's sister. And so there's a lot, there's many scenes where they're going to like big, like family functions where Tim Robinson's the only white person there. And everybody loves him. Oh, they love it when he's, and like he's just such a, like, he's Tim Robbins. But he's Tim Robinson in it. So it's very, I, I've been wanting to just be upset because everything is upsetting.

And I didn't realize how much I needed things more like the Detroiters in my life. that aren't upset. And, God, it's just, it's just very well written. And it is a, it's, it's, again, if you like Tim Robinson comedy, you will love this show. Okay. It's on Netflix, right? Yes. Okay.

It's just, I can't believe I haven't watched it yet. So thank you to everybody that has told me for years to watch this show. I finally jumped on the bandwagon. I'm totally in this, like, documentary phase. I don't know. I'm just like watching nothing, but like, these types of docs. Where were you going to say,

MJ? Oh, well, I was just going to say, did anybody, I'm trying to do, I'm trying to do an extremely belated catch-up before Oscars. And so Gideon and I

watched a real pain. Anybody watched it? I did. Yeah, I did. Yeah. I talked, I think I talked about it on an episode. Yeah, I think MJ wasn't here for,

actually. Oh, did I miss it? The talk of TV I missed. That was the one, yeah, when you were in family fever hell. Yeah. Yes. And it is,

I just, because Kieran Kalkin got the Golden Globe. I'll just give you a roundup of what I said last time. Because he won the Golden Globe for it, I was ready and I love Kieran Kulken. I was ready to be like, God damn.

Yeah. Like I thought it was going to be a god damn. Yeah. But honestly, I was more impressed by Jesse Eisenberg. Yeah. I felt like I really enjoyed it, but I don't think it wasn't like a, God damn.

But I thought Kieran Culkin did great. I feel like it was very like, you know, Roman. But it's very Roman coded. It's just like, well, he's very good at doing that. Don't get me wrong. It is like, it's a short movie. It's well written.

It's good characters. Like I did enjoy it, but I wouldn't. It's not breaking down your doors of a, you must see. I enjoyed it. Gideon was like, it was fine. Like, I thought it was nice. I like, it felt almost just like a throwback. like that type of movie,

just like a soft-spoken, like relationship movie. I just really liked that it was that, you know? Honestly, before we started recording earlier, we were talking about Will and Harper. We brought up Will and Harper again.

It's like, that movie blew me away. Obviously, that's a documentary, so it's not the same as a real pain. But like talking about like a slice of life where it's just like a small movie that packs a huge punch.

Yes. That's Will and Harper. Totally. Yeah. But I did, I enjoy it a real pain. But yeah, so I wanted to ask if any of you guys had liked it. And I have a different one to talk about, but Holden, I want you to go first. What's your docu-series you're watching?

Well, I got a couple, but first of all, let's return. I want to amend a little bit of where we left off with the curious case of. I do feel that the second episode was kind of whatever compared to the first episode about Ban Bargarra. But the third episode, which at first I was like, it's called the orphan imposter. And I'm like, oh, that just sounds like what the original. movie series was about or show series was about

because that was the whole thing. Yeah, Nadalia Grace. But I forgot, no, no, no, this is the guy, I don't know if you guys remember it. When this guy tried to pretend he was like British and dying, and he was like, oh, yes, I did start this episode. I don't even know what you're talking about.

Yes, the Rhode Island state senator who was accused of. It felt like it was out of that show. Yes, there was a dateline episode about, it. It was insane. Featuring him, he's like a cartoon, he was a cute, he started off as a Rhode Island State Senator, he was accused of sexual assault. He then took on a kind of British persona and pretended to be disabled. I remember because there was also like, I think maybe a side

stories where Henry was talking about it and did like a spot on impression of this guy. He was just claiming, I forgot what his fake name. Oh, Arthur Knight. It was so, it was so weird. He was claiming he was a British man named Arthur Knight with a K. He literally just creates this fake persona to escape the allegations. And everyone's like, we know you're this guy. You literally have tattoos. You literally have tattoos. We like know you're this guy.

And he's like, I don't know. I couldn't possibly be this. I can't possibly be. And it's so. It is like, it is like a Tim Robinson sketch actually. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. And I was like, oh, this guy. Oh, I love this.

Yeah. I don't love the guy. He's a horrible person. He's done terrible things. Sexual assault and stuff like that. trigger warning for that if you're going to go into it. So there's some like, it's not all shits and giggles, but the part where he pretends to be whole hog, a British guy that needs to be out like a respirator is extremely funny and in a dark weird. It is so weird. And so, yes, I remember

this at the day. It was when we were on tour for somebody I had this very specific memory of listening to the Dateline episode about this guy on my flight to Salt Lake City for our tour. And then there, I think because I saw that side stories had talked about him that week, I listened. into there. And it was just like, it was like, wait a minute, the bit is that this guy was accused of sexual assault so that he pretended to be a disabled British man. And that's the bit. That's the bit. Named Martha Knight. It is. And like, it's all the stuff he did before that because he was just a lifelong, maniac, like, grifter, fake con artist guy. Like, he would just take, you know, he just, he just lied, lied, light. And this is what he would do. Like, like, let's

say he barred a bunch of money from someone or something like that. And then they would call him and he'd be like, I have cancer, you know what I mean? Or something. Like, so they would, like, so he just like kind of took it. But then he just took it to such a ridiculous extreme by the end. It became like sketch comedy. Truly. So, anyways, recommend that.

And I see they just dropped a new one called the Funeral Home of Horrors. I will absolutely be watching that. I'm going to watch Funeral Home of Horrors for sure. Of course. They had me at funeral home. Yeah. Yeah. So what's the thing you were going to talk about?

I have one more crazy modern. And again, it's kind of like the one we just talked about. It's like modern day buffoonery, like modern day nonsense documentary, true crime documentary. Before we get to that, MJ, what do you got for us? Oh, I want to recommend. A listener actually recommended it in the page 7 email, Baylon Out Loud, which is also on Max, which is really sounds like another Utah name, Baylon. But she is a 21-year-old young woman, and it is like a docu-series about her family

and specifically her life with Tourette's. And she has a boyfriend and she wants to move out from her family. But it's all about like how hard her daily life is struggling with her tics and trying to get her tics under control. And it is just really, it's like I don't think I've seen a reality style, you know, doc. It's more in the style of a reality show than a docu series because it's very much like, you know, here's our family. Right, following her life and everything. Yeah, exactly.

But I just feel like, and correct, please, again, any, you know, if there's listeners out there who feel like they're not handling the disability aspect, well, please let me know I might be missing something. But the person who recommended it was just like, this just is like a really nice, well done show. And I feel like it's, it's been really, really fun to watch because it is this young woman speaking, you know, about her own experience with, you know, this, it's a neurological, I think she, I think she says it describes it as like a neurological disorder of neurological

disability. And she's like, these things are out of my control. And there's kind of, there's, there's nothing you can really do to take them away, to take the ticks away, but there's things you can do to manage them. And, but some of her ticks are like really funny. You know, she is, it's apparently very rare to, to say, like, the urgent. to say inappropriate things. It's like less than 10% of people with Tourette's have that, but she has it. And there's these scenes of her, like with her 10-year-old brother. She has four brothers and a sister. It's a family of six. And there's this scenes of her with her 10-year-old brothers. And she's like talking and her brother's like, I love my sister. She's an amazing big sister. And sometimes she does these really intense tics when we're out in

public. And this is sometimes it's hard. And then in the interview, she'll do these ticks that are like, you know, that are really dirty, really filthy. And like the 10-year-old. to start laughing and then she'll start laughing and she'll, you know, she'll be like, she's like, this is like the hardest part that I, the urge to say inappropriate things. But then sometimes, you know, my family and I will just like laugh about it afterwards, um, because it's happening. You know, like kind of have to. No one knows how to talk about it when I'm in public. Everyone's, she said the worst part is going out in public. Everyone stares at her and then the anxiety makes the ticks worse. But, you know, but her talk, her talking with her family and in her safe spaces and

also with her boyfriend, she's just like, when I'm calm and when I feel safe and when I'm happy, the urge to take is much less. And, um, and it's just, it's like, it's such a like, just honest, loving, um, you know, kind of open. It's one of these, one of these in the style, in the way that Will and Harper is like, we're going to talk about something that everyone's kind of uncomfortable talking about and has a lot of questions. This is kind of similar where she's like, people want to like, you know, the goal here is to kind of like make it less mystified. Like, I'm going to talk about these. Right. Exactly. I'm going to talk about these ticks. I'm going to talk about why they happen and what they feel like and what it's like for my family and what's hard about it. But also like I'm still just a 21 year old kid like young woman who wants to like move in with my boyfriend. But I can't like be in the kitchen because I have like uncontrollable hand movements and stuff. And so it's just really, really interesting and fun. And I feel like it's really well done. I feel like it's very loving and very humanizing and really, again, demystifying. If anybody wants to say, provide a different opinion.

Please let me know. I'll read it on the show next week. But it has, it's like, you know, as much as like the family vlogging stuff is so gross, I do feel like a well done reality show about like a very loving family talking about something that's like this very unique challenge can be really, really nice. And that's what this is. Just TLC can scare you sometimes because it's just like how you're going to go about this. How are we going to deal with this? Because TLC. Because it is TLC.

But I mean, if it's TLC, it does not feel like freak showy to me the way that most TLC content does. I was going to say, if you're having a positive, if you're not getting the ick from it, then isn't at the end of the day it like not unless it's just totally full of hot air like, you know what I mean? I'm reading a lot of headlines that of course that are a lot of people that are worried about how TLC is going to deal with it. I am reading one instance of a person, a woman with Tourette syndrome that runs her own YouTube channel called Ticking together. that has praised the team for teaching people about the spectrum of Tourette's and for providing detailed facts about people diagnosed with Tourette's as well. So I'm glad that hopefully, you know, there's only a couple episodes out so far, right? It's a new show, isn't it?

It's brand new. And, yeah, I see some Reddit threads of people being like, I'm worried about how it will deal with this. I don't see any articles about currently watching it and, yeah, and ripping it apart. of like that this is really bad. But, but yeah, it's, it's, yeah, so again, let me know.

Like I said, a listener recommended it. I saw it on Max. But this is, again, the thing with Max is that you're like, oh, it's, I'm such a victim of this. I'm like,

it's on Max. This must be something that's well done. And then it's TLC. But it's not like, it's not the way that like Extreme Sisters is like, look at these fucking words. To me, it's much,

it's much more loving than that. and it seems to me just like a really nice family, but please correct me if I'm wrong because, you know, it's hell out here. Everything's bad. It's a hell out here. Maybe everything's bad. Jackie, we even...

No, you guys got a bunch of stuff. I always have stuff to talk about, so it's nice to hear from you guys. What have you got Holden? The last one is just biggest highest... Well, actually, two. Biggest heist ever I watched last night. it's an actual documentary movie that is on Netflix, not a multi-part series, which is a nice

change of pace. And it's literally about these two wackadoos, Silicon Valley nerd people who did a couple things. First of all, a billion dollar crypto heist. This is how it's like a modern day idiot story, right? Somehow they just put some ones and zeros into a machine and stole a billion dollars or whatever from a crypto thing, which is already just so dumb and doesn't make sense. And crypto's not even, but it's just, crypto just made, because they're also just showing like the excesses of crypto bros.

They just made, crypto was just a way to make that fucking dumbest, most annoying people rich. And now there's just a bunch of rich maniacs running around. Now they're in charge of the government. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. No, we're not listening.

They got crazy rich from like, made up money. It's so annoying to me because it's like, yeah, I get why people want to get into this too because it's made people

obscenely rich by practically nothing from pretty much doing nothing. And it's like the modern day gold rush. But these two jackalopes stole, they were like kind of being very like entrepreneur Silicon Valley people. And they were smart and whatever. They were this couple.

And then did a billion dollar crypto heist, then decided after that to just like, for some reason, also just needed to put a bunch of like weird dumb videos out on social media, including the girl wanting to like do a bunch of rap, like really bad rap music videos and stuff. While the whole time while they're trying, while the people investigating are trying to figure out who done it and eventually, hey, guess what happens? And then, uh, while also they're trying to figure out how to just like get the money now, right? Because once you like heist the money, then you have to try to figure out how to turn it into like usable money.

Usable money that won't be trapped or whatever. Yeah, that's why you got to launder it. You got to do something. But like, it's so insane to steal that much. Like, that's just such an unwieldy amount of money to steal. So it kind of gets into all that stuff too. But it just is such another, just like the mom. mommy blogger,

vlogger crap we were just talking about. It's just another piece of media that is just a testament to how fucking dumb fuck like modern,

just social media, Bitcoin, like all this crap. Just how dumb it. I know I'm sad like such an old man to hold it, but I really is just like, so again,

it just might as well be a fucking Tim Robinson sketch. Like it's just so bizarre. We have to watch. That's why I just watch the Detroiters. You know what I mean? Just put that on because then you at least you can be like, this isn't real, this isn't real, this isn't real, this isn't real.

Like you've got, I mean, this, this rap stuff is so dumb and weird and just bad. And it's just the whole thing is just so strange. Then the other thing was, you know, harkening back to a better time. And that would be this ecstasy. What was it called again? Max, Ecstasy. The sons of ecstasy. Sons of Ecstasy.

And this is, I believe, actually, an HBO joint. And it's a really fun. If you want a nostalgia blast of rave culture, that's in there. But it's like this real story of a retired mobster's son, a mobster who, a mobster who like got out of the game, like a serious dude, like a scary dude, his like, soprano style, like his son getting heavily involved now that they're like out of the game and they're in Arizona in the 90s into the ecstasy trade in the rave scene. Wow.

So there's all this great footage of the rave scene from that, and specifically in Arizona. And then there's this other guy. I forgot his name. He has a funny name. This British guy, they end up kind of in a rivalry with each other, this eccentric British ex-financeer who also becomes like an ecstasy kingpin in Arizona at that time. And it's like they're essentially like turf war. Yeah.

X-C-C-C-Crade. And it's just a very entertaining true crime. But it's like silly, you know, and like, and also legit, like, it's a lot of fun. I love, I just show me footage of 90s raves all damn day. And, and interviews with the people involved in, in that scene. It's just so endlessly entertaining to me. Like, all drug war aside, like, it's just so fast. to me. And just the ecstasy boom, though, also on its own is just a fascination. You know, because they, again, I lament. I mean, we had ecstasy with the Motorola's on the pills and the, and now it's like you came into cocaine because of the fentanyl. And ecstasy doesn't exist. What even is there at this point? I mean, I guess in a good way, it's like more like it's just mushrooms. Got to go get that pure, pure MDMA. Sure, but it's also fucking shithead Nazi man with his ketamine addiction.

It's just not as cool. Drugs are, just like they took these things and made them no longer cool. They took drugs and made them know. They're just scary and bad now. None of them are fun. Yeah, except weed. We just smoke weed.

Eat mushrooms. And conspiracy theories too. Yeah, eat mushrooms. Conspiracy theories used to be a fun thing to sit around like the campfire and talk about and like whatever. And now they're just like a symptom of all that is wrong with like internet misinformation and shit heads. If you want to...

Who are voting in a dumb-ass way. If you want to watch something that's not going to upset you and is actually going to excite you about the future of cinema and new people writing new things, that's not just a reboot, because I feel like we scream about that all the time. Go see the companion. I knew nothing about the companion.

It is a movie that just came out last Friday. It is starring Jack Quaid and Sophie Thatcher. I would actually say, to you look nothing into it. Yeah. Just go see it. It is a dark comedy. It's a horror.

It's a sci-fi. It's a bunch of different, like, it's a bunch of different genres shoved into one movie. The writing keeps you on your toes. It is an hour and a half in and out. It is tight. It is well done. It is surprising.

I don't want to say anything else about it. Just go see it. If you're like, all these movies are just the same things, or they're making me upset, or they're doing this, if you want to just go see something, you're just like, this is great. I think horror is the most interesting genre right now. And it's not necessarily horror.

I would dare say it's more in the world of sci-fi. It is violent, but it's so, it is, it like transcends multiple genres, which is really cool. And I knew that there's two movies coming out right now, starring Jack Quaid. And I thought the companion was the other movie that I've seen

the trailer for a million times. But the trailer a trailer for the companion, which why I didn't remember it, is fairly vague and gives absolutely nothing away. Don't look into the movie. Just go see it.

Okay. And Jack Quaid is a nepo that we like. He's a good nepo. He's a great nepo. Good. We love that for him. All right. There you go.

Fun-ass talking TV. MJ, did you have anything else? No, no, I just, now I'm worried that I talked good about a show that's bad. Let me know, guys. I'm worried that the TLC shows. Ah, you'll be fine. We, this is how we find out. We have to talk about the TV.

This is how we find out. We got to talk about the TV. You're definitely getting emails, but you'll be fine. I'm ready. I'll read it. And I'll read it and I'll enjoy it. Yeah. And, yeah, MGA will be like, yeah, I like that shit.

Tell me I'm bad. Yeah. Tell me I'm bad. Bad way. Thank you guys so much for hanging out on this week's episode of Talking TV. I hope you enjoy. the television you're watching and if you're not let us know if it's bad enough

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