Page 7 - Talkin' TV - One Little Insider Trade, Ya Know

Episode Date: November 14, 2024

This Week on Talkin' TV, Jackie and MJ almost derail everything by tryin' to talk books, including the book on which Six Schizophrenic Brothers was based, but Holden brings it back to the screen with his review of Eli Roth's "Thanksgiving" and then it comes back to the 1993 Pauly Shore classic "Son In Law" as all paths in life do.  Jackie makes a plea to the fans for some Christmas horror movie recommendations, and gives her thumbs up to "Emperor's New Groove" after not seeing it during her rebellious teen years. Max brings the dark takes of Florida nationwide with "It's Florida, Man" which gives a hilarious and horrifying visual reminder of how stupid people truly are, Jackie finally watched the movie "Bad Trip" and enjoyed it far more than she expected despite her hatred of pranks, Holden chunkin' up the new Olivia Rodrigo: GUTS World Tour and is watching a baseball documentary, which instantly makes Jackie audibly upset, unless it's the one about Dock Ellis pitching a 0 hitter on acid. MJ admits they owe Martha Stewart an apology after watching "Maratha", Jackie finished Penguin and having no Bats convinces the Bat-Burnt out Holden to give Penguin a chance, Jackie goes back to Taskmaster and Taskmaster Jr, plus this week of Talkin' TV wraps up with a journey back into the crypt of sadness known as the Golden Bachelorette! Thanksgiving - NetflixEmperor's New Groove - Disney+It's Florida, Man - MaxBad Trip - NetflixThe Comeback: 2004 Boston Red Sox - NetflixNo No: A Dockumentary - PeacockMartha - NetflixPenguin - MaxTaskmaster Series 17- Youtube, Channel 1Junior Taskmaster - Youtube, Channel 1Golden Bachelorette - Hulu Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

with MJ Holden and Jackie talking TV And you know it's gonna get wacky Because everybody knows what everyone knows And everybody knows we're watching shows We're talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie Ooh baby y'all We are talking some TV today And I will say

I was just saying this too old Holden McSquile That man I don't know about you guys, but I have only watched the dumbest shit this week. Every time I went to the television, I was like, I just can't. I just can't handle anything. Does doob scrolling count as TV? Because I got a lot to talk about. Yeah, I know.

Just kidding. We're not doing that. Well, I did. I will, hey, I'm announcing it right now, officially last night in a wine drunk. I deleted Twitter from my phone. So I am officially, I haven't completely left because I, I still want to be able to post just so people know when I'm streaming and things, unfortunately, but I may be gone for good because we are, it is literally, again, I was tell it if it's,

tell it, I'm Jada, Jagged this. I was like, it's, it's very strong. Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos vibes. If we're going to continue to regularly use the platform that was extremely used to manipulate its other people into making a dumb decision, uh, last week. So, you know, it is what it is. But, uh, yes, I am, I'm trying to lessen my doom scrolling.

as much as humanly possible and ended up reading books over the weekend. I have been reading a lot of books. I have been reading a lot. Talking books, man. I also need everybody to know that I, for those of you that care, I just finished books are good. Books are great. I just finished Throne of Glass.

I've been reading Throne of Glass all fucking year. I am so sad to lose the world that I immediately. started consort of fire. I will say my friends over at Ripped Boddus told me to check out consort of fire and I'm like, well, great. Now I'm just going to completely throw myself back into reading. And isn't that beautiful, guys?

Yes. Isn't it a one way? Excuse to not be in our current reality. But this is this show is not called Talking Books. I'm reading a book that was recommended based on a television show we talked about. So how about that? What is it? You're going to laugh. It's about

the six schizophrenic brothers. I've read the book. Oh, you're reading the book. Yes. It's fantastic. Oh, my God. I heard it so good. That was such a rough watch though.

I mean, is it harrowing? Rough watch. Oh, it's a harrowing book. But you know what? It's less harrowing than everything around us. Right. That's the thing. That's why you were like, oh, I didn't want to watch horror movies, Jackie.

But last night, I cuddled up, you know, before Lexi got back into town after when he got to bed, I curled up to Thanksgiving on. which is out on Netflix, directed by Eli Roth, came out, I believe, last year, and, you know,

it's the perfect time for it, right between Halloween and Thanksgiving. And the horror movies, I think, really help. I think Terrifier actually really helped me deal with my anxieties and things while I was watching those movies as well.

And I definitely recommend Thanksgiving, especially if you're feeling particularly anti-capitalist these days, for whatever reason that may be. It's definitely a, yeah, because the whole thing, MJ, You called.

It's a whole like black Friday gone bad incident. Thanksgiving. A bunch of people got like trampled and killed. And then there's like a masked slasher killer exacting revenge on all the deads. Oh. That's a great, isn't it? Patrick Dempsey. Patrick Dempsey is a sexiest man, 2023.

Yeah. It's very, it's very fun. It's got a real, I think that like. And it's got. Gina Gershaw. And a word she, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't seen hostile, so maybe I'm talking out of my ass,

but I feel like Eli Roth's horror is very much helped, like all the gore and stuff that he does, very much helped by more tongue-and-cheek kind of comedy. Yes. Running underneath it. I feel like, I feel like that, you know, his voice comes across really well in this, in that way. It's all, like, satire, shitting on, you know,

the way we become, you know, as a society. especially. I mean, I loat the Black Friday. I really think it's just absolutely so embarrassing and lame. And when you hear stories of people getting like killed in it, it's so crazy. And they do a great job of like poking at that and everything. And the kid is a black comedy, which is what like it really is. It's great. And I think, and I love a movie where you can watch it on two different holidays, like Nightmare Before Christmas or I love that it works perfectly as a Thanksgiving movie. It works perfectly as a horror movie. And when, And we need more. I've also been a big advocate for Thanksgiving movies. I love Thanksgiving movies, playing trains in automobiles, but there's not enough of them. Son-in-law.

I was just trying to bitch. Sun-in-law to MJ. Yesterday, I was just like, you got to watch Pauly Shore's masterpiece son-in-law for Thanksgiving. Sure, why not? I'm going to go to get in, and I'm going to suggest,

I'm going to say Thanksgiving or son-in-law. I'm going to let him pay. Oh, and what is it? What's the one with, Ed O'Neill, is it Dutch? What's the movie with Ed O'Neill? Oh, wait, that is Dutch. Right? He has to get the kids. Yes, and I don't think I ever saw that movie. Now the Burbs better than Bacon. Really? Oh, I love that. Yeah, Dutch. I love that movie. So it's this like, No, I'm lying. I watched it once with Ed Larson because you know Ed Larson. I love

the movie Dutch. I mean, I don't know how well it holds up, but I love this movie. It's because it's about a, like, stepdad who has to go pick up his like snotty stepson from like Catholic school to take him like boarding school. Yeah, it's very uncle buck-esque. It is, it's very much that time period of movies with like, oh, he's, he's childless, so Lord help him, you know what I mean. But he's, he's real, he's like a real, you know, blue collar dude and this kid's like a snoot, snoot, snoot. Okay, yeah, we're talking, 1991. And I love a good road trip movie. And yeah, he's got to, like, pick him on my, I think it's to get him home for Thanksgiving. Maybe it's Christmas. Yeah, it's for Thanksgiving. And I need to rewatch it, but yeah,

I love, there's this whole thing where he doesn't like, he doesn't get him breakfast because he's being an asshole at the diner. So he just like stares at O'Neill's character the kid does while he like eats this giant like America breakfast. Afterwards he's just like, no, the brooms better than bacon. I don't know why. It's just that line is like a grade in my brain. Yeah, it's one of those lines. I am going to throw this out there to everyone. Now that we're talking about Thanksgiving movies, I will say that we are going to be doing an episode.

I'm going to be doing it with the boys about Christmas horror. movies. I know I can just look up Christmas horror movies and I've seen a bunch but what are your favorites? I would love to hear from you, Page 7 Podcasts at gml.com what are your favorites that you're like maybe you haven't seen this one but I think you would actually really like it. So hit me

with your Christmas horror movies. Love it. Because I feel, I do feel, canonically, that you look at a Christmas horror movie and you I feel like you have a different rubric for a holiday horror movie. And I think it's fun to play with the

rubric of what you will allow, like the movie crampus, which I do watch every single year because it is practically done, for the most part, outside of the gingerbread man, it is practically done, it is creepy as fuck, and it is fun. And I like, like, like. So hit me with your wrecks. All right. There you go. Now, while, you know, I did say I was doing the opposite of watching horror movies this week, because I was, I will say when I was crying on Wednesday and I was so upset. Jeff turned to me and was like, have you ever seen the emperor's new group? Yeah. And I was like, no, I haven't. And he's like, would you like to watch the emperor's new group? Yeah. Fuck, yeah, I do. And I need everybody to know, did I fall in love with Kronk? The answer is, of course I did. And I'm so sad that it has taken me this long to watch

Emperor's New Group. Have you guys seen Emperor's New Group? Never seen Emperor's New Group. Dude, one of those movies that I feel like the internet was like, you know, very much so like, no, no, no, this movie is actually really good. Like the goofy movie. Like the goofy movie. Yeah. Right? Like how people feel about the goofy movie? Yeah.

Oh, yeah. See, yeah. I was on the goofy movie, though, from the beginning. I was a goofer from the day one. I loved that movie. That movie would be on HBO all the time. But yeah, I think Amber's New Groove was one of those where I was just kind of aging out of, you know, we all, I feel like, miss a certain subset of movies. Yes.

Like coming out of Disney. or whatever at a time because we're trying to reject anything childish. That's why. Yes, I specifically remember that about Emperor's New Groove, I was 13 years old. And I remember when Emperor's New Grieve came out and I was like, I'm too old for Disney movies.

And I remember specifically choosing to not watch it because I was too old for Disney movies. And it holds up. Eartha Kit as Isma. She's a wonderful villain. Crank, played by Patrick Warburton, is exactly, I mean, he's just cutty, but in a Disney movie. And also, oh my God, I have forever been in love with John Goodman, but you forget how great his voices. And he plays like this loving father, loving husband, and he's just a good man.

and I, like, slipped out of my seat for Pacha. I was like, this is how you know you're getting older, is when you watch a movie like Emperor's New Groove and you thirst for the animated father that is in the movie. I'm fine. It might be also pointing towards, like, a general mental health crisis, you know, that we're all experiencing. It also could be old age as well.

Interesting. Take your poison. I will say, if you haven't checked it out, do. and show it to the kids. I was going to say I'll show it to the kids. Definitely do. It's David Spade is very funny in it. He's very David Spade.

You kind of want to hate him. So it's a perfect for a David Spade role. It's just fun. It's short. And I also was surprised that it wasn't a musical. Yeah. I don't know why I assumed it was a musical. And I think almost.

Because it's Earth a kid, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. There is a song, but like it's not. Wasn't it kind of like them trying to figure out what to do after the wave of all those movies, you know, that run, like Lion King. So it was probably like, what, right after Lion King? The glory days, yeah.

They were in kind of a transition point and it just wasn't, the reason why I think it got overlooked a lot is because it just wasn't Lion King. It wasn't like Little Mermaid Beauty and the Beat. Like that was just such a crazy run. The 90s had a pretty solid stretch. Aladdin. And they kind, but then it was kind of like, they had to figure some other stuff out, you know. I'd be interested in learning about like, like,

what the thought process was in creating and getting that movie going for them is you know that there must have been some interesting decision making or whatever to get that one off. But that was one of those where it was like it was overlooked, but then everybody kind of unanimously agrees it was so great. Interesting. And it refused to be buried. And I think that's really cool. When you see a movie.

Just like me. Yeah. Yeah. Just like you. They keep trying to put me in the ground. You know what? People listening because I know you're listening right now, people who keep trying to put me in the ground. Put you in the ground.

Oh, they're all. all listening right now, and that's how they're putting you in the ground. They're tracking my every move. They're tracking my every move. But I'll never go in the ground. Ooh, I'll never go in the ground. Ooh, I'll become water and smoke before I go into the ground. Maybe we need to get you to Florida, man.

I guess that's where you. Fuck me up, Florida. And it's a hell of a jug. I am talking about the show. It's Florida, man. Which if you, of course. Oh, I want to watch this. cover of it, I was so intrigued that I was like, I got to watch an episode of this,

especially as someone that lived in Florida for a good portion of her life. I was like, obviously it's about crazy Florida man's stories. But here's the thing. The first episode, so not only do they have like, you're going through a reenactment of the insane story. It's a reenactment of real stories, all the unsolved mysteries. Correct. But they also have the people that went through it. Oh, wow.

So they're also interviewing them while they're doing the reenactments. And I only watched the first episode. And I got to say, the story was so crazy. I'll just say, it starts off with a dude that needs money. And he goes, well, I did what I always used to do. I would go on Craigslist and post, I need cash, will do anything within reason. And he's like, you know, you get all the emails where it's like, oh, I want you to fuck my dad in front of me and you know things like that you get all those emails but he got an email from

someone that we wanted him to fulfill his biggest fantasy and his biggest fantasy again i am not giving away the rest of the episode his biggest fantasy was that he wanted someone to come over to his house cut off three of his toes cook them and eat them in front of him that is not the craziest part of the story. And that is how you start a show called It's Florida Man. And I want to thank the creators of It's Florida Man for like going out and finding the real, real It's Florida Man stories. And also I guess thank you to the people that are willing to go on to an HBO show to say,

yeah, I did this for some reason. And that to me is just as insane as doing it. in the first place. In the end of the episode, he was just like, oh, man, I guess I shouldn't have said this on the show. I was like, that's how their show ends. And so, I'm just like, yeah, why would you do this? You crazy, fucking idiot.

But again, if you want to be bowled over by the stupidity of people, and maybe you're really thinking about it a lot this week, well, watch it's Florida man and think of all of the reasons why we should just cut the state off the country and send it into the Atlantic. Yeah, I wish they would just secede already. Can they in, can they in Texas just a seed? Take your fountain of you? Oh, man, I want Florida. Go live forever to see.

I want it to be for all of us. When we were in Ebor City last year, I was like, I love Florida. But I know that's coming from somebody who's never lived in Florida and you both have. Yeah, more like E-Bore City. Yeah. Again, I will say Florida. Always fun to visit. It's always fun to visit?

Yeah. Until it's not. And maybe that's just from someone that is forced to go there multiple times a year. But I'm just saying for all those, if you can, if you are able to, get out of there. In every conflict, there's at least one bitch. A huge bitch, a silly bitch. A little baby bitch, a raggedy bitch. But sometimes it's unclear who the bitch is.

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or wherever you listen. And tune in to our live stream kickoff on September 30th on the last podcast network Twitch channel, where we'll be taking your calls live on air. Help us, help you. figure out who's the bitch. Anyway, moving on to other dumb things Jackie watched this week, I finally saw the movie Bad Trip.

Okay. Which, did you ever see that? The Eric Andre movie? This we watched after Emperor's New Group. That's where my brain was, guys. I did not. Is this good? I watched an Eric Andre jackass type movie that is actually even more upsetting than any

jackass because technically there is a. a through line through it. And it is funny. It is upsetting. Lil Rel is being the Lil Reliest in it. And I, um, you know, I have worked with Lil Relo multiple times. It's so funny to watch him. And I'm like, well, that's him doing his thing.

And I will say I enjoyed it a lot more than I expected to do. I'm not always an Eric Andre fan just because you guys know. how I feel about pranks. Right. And it does, and I while I will say, and I know you can call it, you are allowed to come at me about this, I will say, I think what he does is like genius and brilliant in a different let, like I think it's fun that he has added to it. I'm not, I'm just saying for me.

It's not usually a thing for me. Right. I understand it is for a lot of people. I love him, but the, the, the, the, style, his comedic style is not always your, what I would choose, right? That makes me. I wouldn't want to happen. to me. Right. You know what I mean? Right, right. Like, I don't watch it. It's not like when I watch

drop out and I'm like, oh, get me in there, coach. Oh, I'd love to do this. Oh, I want that prompt. I know exactly what I would do with that. Um, no, I watch anything with Eric Andre and I'm like, oh, God. You're so nice in person, but you're so scary professionally. So, um, that's how I felt about bad trip. But I'll stop talking and I'll let you guys, I guess, talk about the things. I've got other dumb stuff though, if you need to me to go. Yeah, I guess I'll throw another kind of get your mind off bullshit thing that I enjoy. You know what? It's weird with me.

I don't like, it's not that I don't like sports, but I don't keep up with sports. But I love a good sports documentary. And the one that I ended up watching last night is I was literally just like, exactly. I'd watch Thanksgiving. I've still not done with it. I watch a little bit more of that Olivia Rodriguez

Guts World Tour. I've been kind of just watching it in like little chunks. Then I was like, what do I want to watch? Well, good for you. Exactly. I did that. I said that last night out loud. I was saying it was good for you that you watched more of it. But then I was there was just a doc on Netflix. It's called The Comeback 2004 Boston Red Sox and it's about, you know, I love a losingest team. I'm sorry, not to just meet. I'm like, oh, a baseball documentary. Oh, I love a baseball documentary.

Yeah. like my favorite, dude, the baseball, Ken Burns' baseball is one of the, my favorite, like, documentaries. Is that what I need to watch? What do I,

what is the, what is the quintessential? Like, what do I need to watch if I just was disgusted at the idea of a baseball dog? Something about, like, baseball. It just, there's like so, so much weird stuff behind.

It's almost like a magical sport in a lot of ways, you know? It's, it's just got a lot of weird stories. Because of the bucks. I think if you don't like it already, it's probably very hard to start, like, in an adulthood. See, I like any

documentary about a team that sucks like a team that has a huge fan base that like their fans don't like turn their backs on them. Is there any Chicago Cubs documentary because I'm a Cubs fan? Yeah, Cubs would probably be good. Yeah. You're describing the Chicago fan. There's the

documentary about the guy who pitched the no hitter on acid actually. That's the one Jackie needs to watch. Yeah, I'll watch that. The guy pitched a no hitter on a headful of acid. It's one of the crazy and there is, I believe, a Netflix documentary about it. It is so, or at least a 30 for 30. I totally forget the name of it, though. That is a great documentary. He says, I'm high as a Georgia pie. Doc Ellis is no hitter on LSD. Yes, Doc Ellis. Yeah, it's a crazy

story. That's what I love about baseball. There's so many crazy stories like that. And the comeback, you know, I just remember this story of the Red Sox were just like, they got so close so many times the Yankees just kept beating them. And this is just the story about how they, they finally got it together and fucking won. And, I mean, we're talking decades. We're talking like goes all the way back. Dude, I'm a Cubs fan. We didn't win from the early 1900s until 2016.

And that's what I love about baseball is like, like, stories that go back to the early 1900s. I think that's what I love about it. Anything that has that deep of a history. Yeah. And there's so many. The socks and the Cubs were kind of kin like kin like that. But then the socks got good.

The socks got figured it out. By the way, for those people that are curious, I am including it. the list. So in case you were wondering, it is called No No. A Documentary is the No Hitter on Acid documentary that's on. That sounds like if you were going to watch one outside of Ken Burns like that's a great one because it's just so, I mean there's so many stories like that I feel like though with the sport. So anyways, enjoyed so far really enjoying the comeback. I love anything of an

underdog story just speaks to me so much. So any sport. that has a situation like that where it's like, you know, I love to, you know, because it doesn't exist everywhere. Like, maybe it's partly because North Carolina, I watch the, like, are such fair weather fans, I feel like for Panthers games and Charlotte Hornets, I saw the same thing. There's such fucking fair weather fans, and I always disrespected that about Charlotte. Whereas, like, I super respect that about Boston. Like, they will just lose their fucking asses off and show up year after year after year. And I feel like the same is with the same with the Cubs, right?

Absolutely. And then we had one moment of happiness, which was late October 2016, when they won the World Series. Yeah. That is 2016, everybody. That was so recent. Like, it's crazy. So recent. But then, of course, the world fell apart after that.

Yeah. But it was a great. Great time. Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, the other one is that's really sad. I think it was the, was it the Cubs or the Mets, the guy that caught the foul ball. I was just going to say,

There is a Cubs documentary. It's called Steve Bartman Catching Hell. And that was a Cubs guy. He accidentally ruined their chances in the 2003 playoffs. Because he thought it was a foul ball, but it was in play. It was in play. And he had to move out of Chicago, didn't he? He had to change his life.

He had to, like, essentially go into witness protection. Like, he, people were, like, he, it ruined his life. Like, see, that kind of stuff is what makes me want to stay away from all. Like, that's insane. Isn't that crazy? That's insane. That someone would care about a game that much that they would be like, we're going to go out.

I can't imagine that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, the Steve Bartman story is a fascinating one. That's more sad. That's so sad, yeah, for sure. And he was a big Cubs fan, too. He was like, you know, he loved him. Huge.

Yeah. But you know what's not sad? What? Actually, it is kind of sad. Well, I'll just say, I owe Martha Stewart in an apology. Whoa. Wow. Yeah.

I totally thought that she, like, did bad rich person insider trading. And I feel like, I don't know why she didn't like the documentary, because it kind of makes her look awesome. Yeah. It makes her look super awesome where she was just like, nah, dude, didn't do it. I was wrong. Or if she did, do her death. It's one of those, even if she did, like, obviously inside her, I had take, because I'm sure

play the tape. I was like, Martha Stewart did the kinds of white-collar crimes that are actually bad. And in general, I do think that, like, white-collar crimes should be, you know, we should prosecute less, you know, regular people crimes and more white-collar crimes. That's like my general, you know, whatever. But I think I just assumed because it was insider training that she probably deserved whatever she was charged with. And because, you know, specifically rich people, insider training stuff is charged.

people are charged with that kind of stuff so infrequently that it's usually when it's like a pretty egregious you know wrong that has been has that you kind of can't help but not process like white collar crimes are just they're so so so so rarely you know actually followed through on but she was just she was I mean I'm I haven't finished the whole doc I'm I'm about I'm about two thirds the way through and I'm watching this and I'm like man Martha Stewart I'm so sorry that I actually thought you were white-collar criminal. I think whatever, whether she actually did the thing she was accused of, but even if she did,

it was one little insider trade. You know, it wasn't like she was defrauding millions of people. She made like $1,200 off. It's like something that was like so negligent to her wealth. She was made an example of. Yes, she was

made an example of. And it was because she was a bitchy woman. Like, that's, that, at least that is what the documentary presents. And of course, You should always view documentaries knowing that they have a point of view and not neutral and they, whatever. And I think it's very funny that she doesn't like this documentary because it focuses on the insider trading and the jail. But because I think that it makes her look fantastic. Yeah.

And I'm so busy thinking about her aggressive sex life with her first husband and the girl I'm barely even registering. But even like you said, what they said about the trial made me just like her more. Much more. She comes off extremely sympathetically. like that basically at least again how it is presented in the documentary is that um yes she may have done a little bit of insider training but it was like it was just for her she got a call from the guy who had the stocks and he was like sell and she was like okay um but again usually when i think about white collar crime i'm thinking about like the 2008 financial crisis and people who

enriching themselves by after by ruining the lives of so many people right she did this one, she did this one thing. And I honestly just don't really care whether she did or not. Because what, what the documentary shows that's so interesting about it is that she was, it's so, it's really one of those things that I just hadn't ever gone back and thought about Martha's story. And it's like, like, it is interesting that she was kind of like the first influencer and stuff like you were talking about last week, Jackie. And then the other piece that I just hadn't thought about was, because I do think that especially at the time that she was coming up, my politics were like, well, it's not that interesting that you're like a professional homemaker. But for her, she's like, people hate me because I'm like taking something that's supposed to be in the realm of domesticity

and I'm turning it into an art and a profession and something that's making me rich and I'm really good at it. And women want that women don't like want this to be like a lonely isolated thing like homemaking. They want to like feel like it's an art too and they want to feel meaning from it and I'm giving them meaning. And I, it's a huge 180 I've done on. her watching this documentary. That makes me so happy, MJ. It's fascinating. I love her so much.

Get the fuck out of you. I don't know. I'm still listening to Ina's book because I haven't really, I just feel like there's not, there's just not as, there's no like having like big revelations about Ina Garton upon reading her memoir. She's an interesting person who's had an interesting career. But like, she's just not. a cultural figure the way Martha Stewart is, right?

Like, Ina Garten is just like a... Only we care about Ina Garten. Only we care about Anna Garton. But what I think I just hadn't really thought about, like, Martha Stewart, like, what she did. I think that I have thought about, like, what Oprah did, like, in terms of speaking to, like, women who were in the home, the domestic sphere. Charging Kamala Harris, millions for...

Charging Hot, Koppel Harris, million dollars. a couple minutes, yeah. All of that. But then I guess, yeah, I just hadn't really thought about the, because I was a kid, really, during Martha Stewart's rise. And then by the time in the 2000s, and I was a young adult and the insider training stuff was happening, I think I was just like, yeah, whatever, like, fuck, right, Stewart.

Or we just wanted to see, we loved, especially at that time, we loved downfalls. A downfall. Especially a downfall of a powerful woman. We loved that stuff. Yeah, someone who had like. What's so interesting about it, because we are always talking about like Martha Stewart, such an ice queen or whatever. But she knows.

But she was always, she always was like this and that that was one of the things that both led to her success and kind of put a target on her back. Right. Because everybody was like, she's too bitchy, you know. And so it's just kind of fascinating to be like, oh my God, the 90s was not ready for a bitchy woman. Right. You know, who had like monetized domesticity.

Yeah. Right. You know, it's like Lord help them if they start. thinking about like, you know, rising up and leaving the house or something, you know, how dare they? It's actually very, because I think I'm thinking so much about tradwives right now and like that, the, the, the cultural desire to like abandon everything that that feminism has, has gotten, you know, everything about the freedom to choose whether you want to be in the domestic realm or to work or whatever the fuck. And, and so like there's such a glory, like, there's such a kind of a.

there's this rehabilitation of the image of the woman at home and everything happening right now. Yeah. Right. But yeah. And I think that that might have been what I didn't like about Martha Stewart was like, you're just a professional homemaker. But I think that it's actually kind of amazing that she was like, this is work. You know, like this is, this is work.

And it's my job and I can be very good at it. And people care about it. And it's not something that you can just kind of like roll your eyes at. And like, so it's the, the, the way that she took something that is kind of like in the realm of the home and in the realm of not work and disrespected, which is like women's homemaking and then turned it into a gigantic financial empire for herself. This is very, very interesting. I'm very much enjoying the documentary. I will say one way in which to not deal with those feelings is by this new bit that I've been doing with my husband, which he really doesn't appreciate, which is whenever we are in public now,

I pretend like I'm owned by him and I pretend like I'm not allowed to make any decisions and I pretend like I'm not allowed to talk to strangers or like look anybody in the eyes and we were at a coffee shop and I was like Jeff what do I want? I can't pick for you know I'm not allowed to pick these things

and he's like Jackie people don't understand that this is a bit I don't know that like I'm not saying these things for you he's like I feel like this is not the time and I'm just loudly make it I'm like it's great I think it's fun I think it's It's good to make this bit.

It's, oh yeah, no, Jeff is really not enjoying the bit. So I got to cool out on the bit, I guess. So I guess I'll just watch the Martha Stewart documentary again. There you go. Because, I mean, I'm certainly not going to be watching. Well, I guess I would watch Penguin again. I finished Penguin. Penguin just finished.

There's only eight episodes. Man, it's good. I know I feel like I've just been coming at you guys every single week. I just been like Penguin, guys. Penguin's good. Real good. Oh, right. Yeah.

It's real good. Colin Varel is so good. Kristen Miliotti is so fucking good. It is so well done. I, uh, it is, it's, I don't want to give anything away. Uh, how do I say this? It's just for someone that didn't understand the workings of the, the villain penguin. And it will say Batman is not in this world.

I mean, he is, but like, it's not a part. of the plot of this show. Uh-huh. It's just a really good, dark crime series. Uh, highly recommend it. I think that Gideon would really like it.

I was going to say, we just finally finished Agatha. Yeah, I got to finish Agatha. And we... Maybe Penguins next. It was unfortunately on hold because I've been, uh,

we've both been away, but we have been, every time we sit down to watch something, we watch some Agatha. So I bet I'll do Penguin. I cannot do more... It picks up towards that. And I,

I, found Agatha. I was not so into it in the first few episodes, but I'm enjoying it. It's fun. I like the, I like a group of people, like an ensemble on a journey thing. For sure. Yeah, I'm always a sucker for that, so I'm in for sure. But yeah, I can't do more than one, like, superhero thing. Also, I'm glad you're talking me into it because I just feel like I'm still trying to wash the stink of the Joker off. Watch penguin. Yeah, it's just brutal, man. Like, That movie really had major... It's a ruined Batman for you.

Dude, it really kind of, yeah, it kind of just like made me be like, I need a fucking break from this guy, you know? Yeah. This Batman, you know? But then you're taking it out on Batman when Batman had nothing to do with Joker 2. Right.

You know, he's not in that. So you can't take it out on Batman, the sexiest of all of the superheroes. But without Batman, there can't be the Joker, or whatever it is. So like Batman's existence equals the Joker's existence. Is Batman in Penguin at all?

No. All right. It is. I think it's something that could have really been played with, but no. And I did, of course, I always want to see the Batman, but that's just because I'm sexually attracted

to the Batman, so I want. But I guess you would also, if you think it is in the world of our bats, so you'd have to pay our bats to come do an episode of a fucking television show. Lord, help us what he would charge. This was, I really wanted, My only complaint about Agatha was, I was like, when is Elizabeth Olson going to show up?

I just want to look at her. I love, I would want to watch her read. Is she not in it at all? Nah. No, it's obviously in the Wanda universe, but there's no Elizabeth Olson per se. And I didn't even think about it. It was probably because they didn't want to pay Elizabeth Olson ratings. Sure.

But I just loved Wanda Vision so much that I spent a lot of time during Agatha, just thinking about how much I loved Wanda Vision. Yes. And specifically Elizabeth Olson. Yeah, but Catherine Hahn, good Lord. I know. You thirst for Catherine Han. Now, another show that I have watched for many years that I feel like I randomly talk about, but this series is a really, this series is a good one.

Taskmaster, I, if you need a show, you want to shut your fucking brain off, not think about any of it. Watch Taskmaster. There are 17 seasons of it. it is all on YouTube. Taskmaster is, I dare say Taskmaster is my favorite show. And it always puts a smile on my face. And it is just, it is a British panel show where comedians perform silly tasks. And that's it. And it is very, it is just, and then they have like a live show where they're watching back the tasks and they get raided on their tasks. And it is so, funny. Really? And so good. And it's just, again, if you need a lot of television to just really

high taskmaster, everybody, I've been screaming it for years. Greg Davies is perfect. Little Alex Horn is perfect. And it's our, it's our forever just throw on an episode show. Really? Yeah. Nice. All right. Yeah, it's great. I mean, I think it's a great time for it. You know, They were going to get an uptick and just, you know, maybe that's what we need to. I mean, I've been screaming for it for a while now. It's just raw silliness and comedy. Yes. Yeah.

That's what Taskmaster is. It's silly. And at least, you know, I mean, I try to find these silver linings. At least that may, culturally, will get a shift to that even more so than ever, you know, after, after everything. Where people just want to fucking silly and goofy and then gronky will rise. And then he rises, no. And then we put him back down because I will say on top of that, they just started releasing episodes for Junior Taskmaster as well,

which at first I was like, all right, what is this going to be? Just kids, man, more. But actually, it's really fun to think. In the same way, it's fun to think about kids playing D&D. I think it's fun to think about and watch kids play Taskmaster because you also see the workings of the inner brain of like a 12-year-old. Yeah. of how they're going to be funny to do it.

And it's in such different ways than you would see adults choose to be funny. And you forget what an awesome spectrum humor can contain of like, no, this is so fun and silly to watch. And only one episode is out of that so far. And that's coming out weekly right now. Oh, man. That's a great pitch. That sounds like a really great thing right now. Yeah.

Yeah. It's just really truly shutting your brain off, which is. is kind of the opposite when it comes to watching the Golden Bachelorette. Now, Holden, I'm assuming you were gone. You did not get to watch the tell-all. I'm sure I will go home after my stream tonight and sit as my plan is to definitely get some video game time in.

Last night I was too exhausted to do it, and I'm sure, weirdly enough, for some reason, I will put that show on as I game because that is just where I'm at. I don't know what it is, but I'll put it on, and I will watch it. and you're confusing me here too. I'm used to a tell-all happening

after the results have come in, you know? I know. The Golden Bachelor. This is, again, we're at a different high school. We go to the Netflix reality high school. Right. We're like on an exchange visit with the ABC. With the Bachelor Nation.

Yes. The Bachelor Nation is it, I don't even know what network it's on. And they do everything different. Do they know the results? No. Or is it just, she really hasn't made her final choice? She hasn't made her final choice yet,

but I will say Charles L is, they are screaming about how great he is. We love Charles L. And he came in, he had dyed his hair. He looked great. All their kids were there. The tell-all is fucking adorable because they show a bunch of extra footage of all of the men, like really getting to know each other. And it is so fucking cute.

I want to puke. Honestly, maybe we need just like, between that and the article about how the old people are so lonely, maybe we just need like little golden bachelors in like every town. Yeah. Like we need to like, we need like a WPA project. But the public works is like sending a hot old woman to every town and getting 20 men together and putting them all in a house and letting the old men like bond. Well, that was the thing.

So, you know, last episode, the French shoot, oh God, not chalk. Pascal. Pascal left last episode and something he came out and said in an interview which I think actually makes a lot of sense. He's like,

for a golden bachelor, bachelorette, you should be doing the city to city. All of these older people, he's like, all I could think of, he's like, I like Joan a lot. But all I could think of

was like uprooting my life. Oh, yeah, no. That I am so set into move to where she is when he has like a salon. He's got a full, he's got his family. So he's like,

do this city by city so that, like, people that are more set in their families and their ways don't want to uproot their lives. And he's like, I didn't even realize it until the hometowns. And I was like, oh, God, I, I'm not going to move to Joan. I'm not going to do that. That's the only thing that, that I feel like that's the only thing that Love is blind gets right. And it's like the only show that gets it right is that it's geographically raised. And Married at Versaite, yes. Married a Versaite.

married a first day. Like, they should, there's no dating shows should do it unless it's based in the city. Yeah, so that they're all there. Pick a city because, yeah, of course you don't want, no one should move across the country

for somebody you met out on a reality show. But, but, yeah, love is blind. But it's great because, yeah, you have, you still have. Don't you see how all the men cry for Joan? And talking about, I love. For Joan, but you know what they cry for more of their families? I said this little microphone already, right?

That's the thing that throws me off. I'm like, how are all of these men seemingly equal? is in love with this woman. This is like so unrealistic. It's insane. She's a good woman, hold of her. She's a good woman.

It's hard to find. You know, that's what they need. She's still alive. Yeah. She's got blood flowing in her. That is literally the prerequisite for them. Very interesting for Bachelor Nation. Everybody's assuming that Mark is going to be the Golden Bachelor for next season.

But apparently he accidentally may have said he is currently dating Barbara. Alan Woods. And they say this in this article as if I'm supposed to know who this person is. But apparently he may have accidentally said that they are currently dating, which means he's not the bachelor. And I will also say there is quite an outreach of people saying they want Charles L. to be the next bachelor. I don't know if they'll allow that. Do you think he is not their stereotypical type? I was going to say he's not, he's too much of, I don't think they would. I'm so glad they chose him for the show, but I feel like unfortunately these types would never choose such a like sensitive, soft man. Like they need like, I feel like there is still a type, especially on all reality shows, of course,

but especially on a network reality show. I feel like it is, let's be real. Joan is an aged Barbie. Yes. And they want aged kins. They want people to look at exact. Cookie cutter. For those. of you that I'm sorry if you're screaming at the, the podcast right now, Barbara Allen Woods was in One Tree Hill. So that is where people know her from. Also, apparently, she was in the television series. Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.

Didn't know there was a television series. You're telling me that somebody from One Tree Hill, which was like the hot teen show when we were young as now, old enough to be dating a golden bachelor. Because that's depressing. I think she was a mom. She was a mom. Okay.

Yeah. She's 62. So I think, I believe. she was a mom. I really think, I know that we've just been talking about how sad it is that old people get old and they're alone. But I think that the Golden Bachelor does teach us a lesson, which is that we should put them all into dorm rooms together. Yeah, that's the thing. I think they only, yeah, they don't need love again. They need camaraderie and companionship. I mean, you're describing an old folks home, MJ, by the way. But they need to be better than the old

folks home because I feel like old folks homes are so like, have you been inside a one recently? Like, they're not fun. Like I want it to be, where are the dorm rooms but for elderly people? That's what I want to go into. I want, and I think that's unfortunately that's what assisted living is, but also assisted living costs like $8,000 a month. So we need to ask you to make it more affordable. They should be able to have that before they're old, old.

Yes. There also are, there's like 55 plus intentional community. Yes. Well, yeah, what's it called in Florida, the biggest one in Florida? The villages. Villages. Like that's, that's really what it is. You want to go, and I'm down.

I will go to the villages. And you all have your own golf carts. If you're a millionaire hold in, like, are you going to be able to afford the villages? Yeah, that's the problem. I'm not saying put them into dorm rooms in a disparaging way. I'm saying put them into dorm rooms happily. Let them do drugs. Let them fuck.

That sounds awesome. And let them have, like, weird, you know, like rodeo night where everybody's lasso in each other and everybody's kissing. And like, that's what I want. Yeah, they need a. And honestly, I'm not just talking about old people. People need to be living in community. Cars and suburban sprawl have isolated us and people don't know their neighbors and people are alone and it's leading us down.

People need to, I honestly believe that people, everyone would be happier if we live, not in a dorm room per se. But I think that, like, more theme nights, more community events. Like, take the structure of the Golden Bachelorette and put it into community. With everything. People in their threes need this. People in their 50s need this. Even in parenting, like I remember someone writing in telling, I think it was more towards

the two of you obviously, like talking about parenting in other countries. And I believe it was like a woman wrote in from Spain talking about how like parenting is a community activity where she's for. Like people go out like after dinner and everyone's like got the kids and everyone's drinking wine. That's great. It's like it's a community experience rather than feeling like you're stranded. and solo as an adult where you get like pushed away from childless people in the same way that childless people get pushed away from people that have children. It's like when no, we should all be working together instead. Truly. I like I know we were just laughing about how sad the golden

bachelorette is, but I actually, I think that it's very instructive for like why these people are lonely and how to fix it, which is just yeah, like very intentional community. Like I really believe that. Yes, fully. And we've got to include those elderly because, man, they still want to suck. They still want to fuck. Also, they still want to laugh and get on a boat. And they want to do other things as well. All right, guys? And lick and suck. And fog and like whatever, like, orifice they want to fill with whatever they want to fill it. Or they think it's great. And listen, they also need some therapy. So like, you know how Love is Blind sometimes? We'll get like a, like a, you know, like a yoga therapist who will like help you like get in touch with your inner child.

You know, put some of those people in there too. Make some events. Make a little paint and sip but where you paint about your parents and you process all the trauma you're holding on to. Yes. You know, they combine all of the rodeos with like some group therapy. And I honestly think, you know, we see where the country goes. Yeah. Straight to hell.

Oh, we're going straight to hell, guys. But man, I will also say this is just a sidebar because I watched it a while. ago, but I did see that Scavenger's Rain did not get a season two. It just got canceled, and it makes me so sad. If you guys have not watched Scavengers Rain, please check it out. It's so fucking good. It's so beautiful. I'm so upset that they are not bringing it back. So I guess maybe, like, don't watch it because, you know, you know there's not going to be more. But I would say, take some time to check it out. It's like a disutopian. upsetting animated show.

Okay. So that's it. I guess, you know, I won't, I'll save me talking about the band Mac Sabbath for our leftovers episode. So if you want to find out about my experience with the band Mac Sabbath, come check out our Patreon leftovers episode over on patreon.com slash page 7 podcast. But for now, we must say goodbye. Goodbye.

Good friends, goodbye. And now it's time to go. Okay. But hey, I say, well, that's okay. Because I'll see you there soon. I know. So you're singing a song before the song? You're doing a pre-song to the ending song.

Sometimes you need an appetit. Holden. All right, let's sing the song. Bye everybody. We're talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie talking TV. And you know it's going to get wacky. Everybody knows and everyone knows. And everybody knows

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