Page 7 - Talkin' TV - Send In the MILFs

Episode Date: July 3, 2024

This week Holden MJ and Jackie are gossin' 'bout the highly dramatically produced Six Schizophrenic Brothers, Jackie gets real sad with I Am: Celine Dion, MILF Manor continues to contain some of the worst horrors of humanity, Jackie finishes The Bear Season 3 in record time, A Quiet Place: Day One is....not great, but Jackie loved Kinds of Kindness. America's Sweethearts - NetflixSix Schizophrenic Brothers - MaxI Am Celine Dion - Amazon PrimeHouse of the Dragon - MaxMILF Manor - MaxThe Bear - HuluQuiet Place: Day One - IN THE THEATAHHHHKinds of Kindness - IN THE THEATAHHHH Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast   Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

with MJ Holden and Jackie talking TV. And you know it's going to get wacky. Because everybody knows what everybody knows. Everybody knows we're talking shows. We're talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie. Wow. Really fun TV talk this week. We're just going to be all.

Don't worry. I've got some silly things sprinkled in. I've got some things. know, don't worry, there was a Yorgos Lanthamos thrown in there. And you know he is known for his easy to consume films. Absolutely. And we got Milks. We got Milfs.

We got Milfs. I watched the Milves do the things. I watched the cheerleaders. Prants a ponds to the field. Oh, you watched the cheerleaders. I did watch the cheerleaders. I definitely, that's definitely been my easy. Well, I want to say it's been my easy, breezy cover girl kind of.

But not. But not. There's plenty of sadness and darkness and tragedy and all that good stuff. Now you can see why I watched it and was like Holdenwood Love. It's got just the right amount of like the drama, but also the drive and the competition. And especially, oh, you know, we're coming up on Olympic season. So we got to start getting our juices flowing. And I'm not talking about the juices that flow through the Olympic Village.

I'm talking about the juices. that flow in our own homes while we open up the pacaque and we say what are they going to be doing a ponds the ice this day we have to wait many days i think that it doesn't start until like the 26th or something so we've got some time yes but the reason it's going to be a little bit sad today and it's not sad sad it's just that we all three of us got so so here's the story last week when we were recording buffy hold and was like you guys am watching this like really dark dark dark documentary about six schizophrenic brothers. And I was like, girl, me too. And then we got really excited and now Jackie watched it. And it's obviously an extremely intense. I'm sorry, glass shatter. Glass shatter.

All right. Can we just stop? Yeah. Up top, it is very, I need you guys to know, this is a very intense docu series. It is not for the light of heart. And I do also need you to know I laughed multiple times through this stocky series. Just because every time they'd be like, and then Johnny came home, and then they would like, break the glass. There's always a picture of the brothers, and then the glass would shatter.

My favorite was when one of the brothers, they were like, he's lost in the darkness, he'll never return. It just cuts to one of the Schenzyverie brothers playing a recorder, like a children's recording. You're just like, all right, okay. We get it. This is the thing about this documentary,

and we actually discussed this when we discovered we were both watching it. Holden was like, I'm not sure it's a well-made documentary. And I was like, I don't know if it is either. And as we got further into the documentary, it has been all I've been watching. But especially when I got to the end, I was like, that's the end. It was like they ran out of money or something. It's not a well-made documentary at that last episode. Okay, because here's the thing, guys, right?

It's six schizophrenic brothers. It is a huge family. It is an amazing story. Amazing story. an insane story. But there's so much about the story that I was just screaming at the television. There's so many things that I want to yell about. And I didn't know that Henry Natalie were also watching six schizophrenic brothers.

So I went over to their house and I start bringing it up. And then all of a sudden, they start screaming about the youngest sister and about the last episode. It was like, oh, I didn't even, I haven't seen the last episode yet. And I finished it last night. And I'm so angry. And I didn't, I'm so glad I watched all of it just so I knew what I should be angry about when it comes to the docus series. But I don't know if that means that everyone should watch all of the docu series. And I mean, I think I also, I feel a little bit out of my element here in terms of how to like, like, schizophrenia is like really fascinating and interesting and scary.

I was terrified of it growing up. I was always so scared. Yeah, I didn't have this fear of losing. my mind that Jackie had that I'm so glad I didn't have because of course that one son was riddled with it, of course, as the son of a family with, you know, six uncles that had it. For those of you that don't know, this was all happening during the 70s when there really was almost no research on schizophrenia or how it came about or why it could, like, why they had so many cases of it in their family. And so, of course, that was a part of the conversation was like,

at that time period, what was even known about this horrific thing that could happen to you. But growing up, the one thing that I did know was that schizophrenia didn't come, what the onset usually is not until later on in life. Yeah. And that's just something that scared the shit out of me. Yes. Yeah. And, and yeah, I feel like I don't even know what I want to say before we go into this conversation

about schizophrenia. I hope that we're all, like, respectful, you know, it's like a hard thing to talk. about because it is like a very intense thing to watch, to like to learn about. And it's kind of like, it's kind of like the, I feel like, um, we have as a society spent many years trying to talk about people about mental illness in a more respectful way. And schizophrenia is kind of like the boss of like how we talk about mental illnesses in terms of like people really, really losing a sense of reality. So I just want to say I feel a little bit I don't, I'm just, basically I'm just hoping that we don't say something ableist or hurtful or anything like.

that in talking about this. It is this documentary about an Irish family, Irish Catholic family with 12 kids, six of whom ended up developing schizophrenia. And as Jackie said, it's something that comes on in like late teen, early 20s. And so it's not something that you like can plan for. It's not something that you can predict. It's not something that's well understood. And basically because this family had so many cases of it, they're trying to figure out like what can this family teach us about it. Yeah. And, right, the last episode culminates in one of the siblings who doesn't have it has kids.

And then that kid, the son specifically, because it was all the boys in the family who had it, is like, spends his life being terrified that he's going to get it. Because part of what his mother was also putting into him is that, like, it could be brought on by a traumatic event. It could be triggered by head trauma. It could be. So it's like he would, like, was so. sports. Yes. He spent his entire adolescence being scared that it was coming for him or that

some choice he would make would would like bring it a pounced them. And it is, I left the documentary. It is a fascinating story. It left me wanting so much more because there's this whole part of it where they're like, well, the doctors wanted to like blame the mother. But like that was, you shouldn't blame like this is mental illness. You shouldn't like blame the mother. And then they go, but then they go, but then they go want to be like, we don't know what causes it. And maybe it was a traumatic head injury for this one. And maybe it was LSD for this one. It just felt like it felt like there was, it was a documentary in search of like much more

research, you know? Yeah. It was a great story. But I ended up. The story's amazing. But I ended up really learning nothing about schizophrenia. Yes. Zero.

Yeah. And usually with these, especially these mental health docu-sue series, I usually enjoy like there's this great one about D-I-D that like you learn so much about what's going on. And now I don't know, like, is it because there's not as much information already research about schizophrenia? I genuinely have no idea. And I do wonder if part of it, because, like, at first I thought that it was actually fairly, like, inappropriate to have people that are, you know, that are struggling. Or I guess I can't use the word struggling. I don't know if they're struggling currently with their schizophrenia.

I believe that one of them says he doesn't have schizophrenia. but they bring them in and kind of like interview them in a way that I'm like, are they aware of like I felt kind of yucky? Yeah, that part did feel. Yeah. Bringing in the brothers with schizophrenia that I'm just like, I felt a little yucky. It did feel a little yucky. And that's, I guess that was what I was trying to get to with my disclaimer.

It's like it feels like I think like the way that we kind of grew up in a much, in the 90s and a much like less with much less literate. around mental illness and you just kind of picture one flew over the cuckoo's nest. Like this documentary kind of taps into that. And right, so that's like four of the brothers who are still alive are living like in a basically in a nursing home and they have moments of lucidity and some of them are more lucid than others. And so yeah, it's it is, it's one of those where I was like, this is just an incredible story.

And I wish it was told in a way that didn't make me feel. like so voyeuristic about a tragedy. Yeah. You know. Yes. Yes. And like almost like one of the siblings really wanted to do this. Right.

The one that, oh, I'm not even going to get. I won't yell about that last episode. But I just want everyone to know I want to yell about that last episode. But we're not going to get into it. I do think, again, interesting story though. But I don't know if we hear page seven say that you should watch it. I don't know. Don't have 12 kids.

I feel like in the background of this whole thing was a certain sorrow that comes with being one of 12. And a loneliness. And like just how impossible that is to like exist and have a the kind of childhood that I don't know. I just I. Or it's like you survive in like this like pack mentality kind of way. So I find that it's like you have a different. I wouldn't assume that they would have. a very different relationship with their siblings than like we have with our siblings.

You know, there's also, well, there's much more, like, they're just much more like, yeah, I don't even know the guy. Yeah. You know what I mean? Talking about their own brother. I know, it's just like, I don't even know. You know, a couple of them aren't alive anymore. And then four of them, they are, you know, many of the non-schizophrenic brothers don't have

relationships to the schizophrenic brothers. And then, yeah, one of them was talking about one of the other brothers who, like, is not schizophrenic. And he's like, I just don't, I just don't know him. Like, it, and there's moments of the documentary. that kind of point to like, well, it was kind of a fucked up family and the kids were raised in this high pressure situation. The girls each had their own room, but then they had eight boys to a room and eight, or six boys to a room, six boys to another room. And then they also were like, but also like,

mental illness is not the family's, this is not the family. It's not about how they were mothered or anything. It really, it was like reminding me of all the ways, you know, there's all sorts of books and shit written about all the various ways that mothers were blamed for all these things that we now understand, like, like, autism is like one of the classic example. Which of course, the mother of the family is, of course, blamed. Yeah, she's blamed by therapists, doctors. And yeah, there's, there was all, there's all this literature from, like, the 50s about how autism was, like, caused by, like, cold mothers and stuff that has obviously now been, uh, you know, disproven. And so, again, it was one of those where you walk away and you're like, okay, I understand, like, where things

were at in the 70s, but like, where are they now? Like, this documentary is being made in 2024. That's, yes. I, well, I, I, I, I, thought that that's what the last episode was going to be. What do we know now? What have we learned? Like, what has this research begotten us? Like, I wanted to know more about it. Because I, as I agree that having 12 kids seems to have created, in this family, seems to have created a very negative environment. Even before they start talking about the brothers falling ill, they talk about the, like, that there was this, there was no supervision. The mom couldn't supervise them all. So she would say, go solve your own problems. But there was 12 kids and 10 of them were boys. So there

It was like all this, not that boys are inherently aggressive, but, you know, there was fighting, wrestling, aggression, competition, all this stuff. Like bad, not like wrestling. Right, not right. I wrestled with my brother, like abuse. It was, yes. Kids hiding from each other and all of that stuff. And ganging up and stuff.

Right, right. God, just seems awful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a rough one. I'm fascinated by big families. And so that was the most, that was the big family part.

Me too. Yes. It was the most fascinating part about it to me. But it is amazing that you end up, you start with 12 kids and then you end up, you know, as adults that basically none of them talk to each other. And that there's like one sibling taking care of all of the six siblings. And it's, yeah, man, 12, 11 siblings and everybody basically seems completely alone. On Wizard and the Bruiser, we find all those crazy little moments in geek history that made the things we love into in inescapable cultural behemates. If you love video games, movies, comics, and anime, this is the LPN show for you.

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Oh, that would help us out so much. God, wouldn't you love to do that? Don't I sound like the kind of person you want to help? Like hit the button. Like, just do it. And it's pretty wild how many of the siblings were willing to talk on camera and be pretty honest about this not so flattering stuff, too, you know? Yeah.

Or how much was it of just the youngest sister being like, I have to do these things and you will do the docu-series. Don't get me wrong. She had a rough life. But you really don't like. her. You feel like she was, you feel like she was looking

for her 15 minutes? I kind of get Jackie's like frustration with people who martyr themselves and put themselves. And she even said it. She's like, people call my mother a martyr.

People call me a martyr. And I guess I am. And it's like, because the whole thing is how like what they all did to her and how she had to do as if they all didn't go through horrific traumas

that maybe it's something that they just couldn't handle for the rest of their life. And that's okay. Yeah, I don't know, man. I had a lot of sympathy for her. Like, you're the only one of your siblings who's going to help take care of the family members who need help. I think I was triggered by fun martyrs that I've dealt with in my family. Right. That's what it is.

Yeah, I can tell. I think it depends on what your spice is. watching it of what's going to upset you. And weirdly enough, the martyrdom upset me. And maybe not specific martyrs, but it falls in the same category of I get, I really get frustrated and annoyed with people who put themselves into a specific situation and then complain incessantly about it, you know? And it's just like, you have control over this.

Like you don't, you know what I mean? Like you have control over your life at the end of the day. and, you know, are just people who make excuses. And it's like, you put yourself into this situation. You can get yourself out of this situation. But like, just people who sit around and just complain and blame everything and everyone. And, you know, don't like. Yeah.

Yeah. I don't know. It falls in the same kind. That stuff drives me crazy. But I didn't have such a guttural reaction to the daughter as Jackie did. No, it makes sense. It may. Yeah.

I feel like to me it was like a question of like, okay, like some people decide. some people deal with their difficult families by like fucking off, which is what many of the brothers did. And we're just like, I don't talk to them. I guess they're not part of my life anymore. That's my move. Yeah, that's my move. I just like, I just like ghost and that sucks. And I hate that about myself.

So yeah, I definitely felt that. Dealt with her difficult family by being like, well, I guess if no one else, if everyone else is fucking off, I'm going to be the one to take care of everybody. Right. But yeah. So that, that was, that, you know, that piece was an interesting. like when you have this much intensity going on in a family, how does each sibling deal with it? And either they piece right out or you have the one who's the same law.

And I'm not saying that's fair either. I don't want you to think. Like I'm not like pro. No, I hear you. It reminds me of eldest daughter discourse. Like even though you're not the eldest daughter of like the how there's, many families have like the one person who feels that so many responsibilities have been put on them throughout their life. Everybody's got, I'm the peacekeeper.

I feel like every person has a role with how they communicate within the family and especially if you've got that many kids but it's like they even say that like I remember one of the brothers was like I in my family seen as the peacekeeper which is insane because I'm an insane person but I'm the one that will communicate

through go from person to person bring it all together and make it all happen everybody's got to every family's got to have one but everybody serves a different function but when you have that many people Yeah, some of them can be schizophrenic. You know, they ain't got to carry the function. There's so many kids.

So many kids, man. Can we talk about milfs? Melts. No, I want to talk about I am Celine Dion, which is also very, very sad. Oh, that's sad. It's so sad. All right. Isn't it more sadness, though, Jay?

She is her voice. Oh, my God. And she cannot sing anymore. It is. I'm too sad to watch it. I'm so sad. I just, for people that know nothing about Celine Dion, I do feel that it was a very beautiful little snapshot

because it was not like an overview of her career. It literally is just about like how much she, like her passion is singing. Okay. And about just what singing means to her. And it's almost like, I feel like it's like a goodbye for her to singing, which is all she knows.

Is it about her experience? with her disability mostly or is it about her just like where she is it about it's her current state it's a lot about her current state so like she shows like her going back into the studio trying to sing and like it's literally the stiff person syndrome like creates a wall that literally she can't open her lungs to sing what she used to be able to sing and just the devastation and then it does end with a like 10 minute long seizure that she is like she's trapped inside of her body Does she have any hobbies? She loves giddy pigs.

She loves guinea, good. She is. Okay, one thing I think that you will learn from this doc about Celine Dion is that it seems she is a very loving, wonderful human being. Like, she's the kind of person that, like, her boys made a bunch of a mess and she's over there, like, cleaning up with the vacuum. You know what I mean? Even though she's got, like, a staff of people. How old are her boys?

They're like 14. Really? Yeah, they're twin. Oh. Yeah, they lost their father very young and like her children are her everything. I would have, I was just assuming that they were adult children. I was like their adult children are making her clean up after them. I see. Okay. Yeah. So, all right. Well, I guess I need to learn more about Celine Dion. It is just a beautiful little snapshot of who she is. And I think that that's what they were trying to get across. I think that they did it. And actually, it really wasn't so much. I thought I was going to sob through the entire movie. I really didn't. Okay. There were a couple of tears at moments, but like it really wasn't. trying, it really wanted to showcase how amazing and how naturally gifted she is. Okay. At one point, she takes her hair down. She's like, when I do this, I feel like Celine from the block.

That wild girl, that crazy girl. I will say Celine Dion never claimed to be wild, never tried to be wild. I don't think she ever went through a while. Like she done like very openly. It was like, she made a joke. She's like, I always wanted to smoke cigarettes. I think it's so, ooh, it's so sexy. And she's like, I just, I never smoke.

I can't smoke. I always want to. I wish I could have smoked, but I can't smoke. And like, she's just so cute. Yeah. It actually made me love her even more. That sounds great, actually. Yeah, I mean, right. Anytime it's like, you know, something where this person is like struggling with something coming on in this point in their life is like sad to think about. But also, I mean, I guess I'm glad that she's like, let me talk about this and like let me, I don't know.

I'm, I guess it's a good for her from me. It's a very rare syndrome. and she's just trying to bring it to light and it must have been very difficult to shoot and I just want to say, I love you, Celine Dion, and I'm sorry you're going through this. It's all coming back. Sorry, Celine.

Oh my God, what a powerhouse. Queen of Powerballads, as her Wikipedia says. And no, her own website calls her the Queen of Power Ballads. And it's true. Hell yeah. Yes. Because she is. She is.

And like, ugh, I guess in a very different way, Queen of the Dragons more like, I just want to give a quick shout out and say thank you to all the people that wrote in about House of the Dragons telling me more about the world of House of the Dragons and why it is the way that it is. And to keep going, and I'm so glad I did, I am really, really enjoying, because here's the thing is that it's actually based on a book, Fire and Blood, that's written from an unworked. reliable narrator point of view. It's like written by the maesters. So in it, like, they have to decide what's actually going on in the movie. Oh, that's fun. So, like, the book talks about supposes and the whisperings and what they think and, like, that kind of stuff. So this is them, like, making the history of what actually, quote unquote, happened.

And I'm really liking it. I like dragons. I like the politicking. Well, I may have put a little bit of a dent in my marriage when I was sitting there watching House of Dragons with my husband because that's his show. And I was like, yes, I'll sit with you. And then about a half an hour in, I started thinking about six schizophrenic brothers. And I was like, how would you feel if I sat with you but watched the documentary that I'm watching on my phone with my headphones on? Because I truly cannot bring myself to care about House of Dragons.

And he was like, that's fine. But I think that he wished that I had watched it with him. So next week, I'm going to try again. I was watching, I was listening, I just, oh, Lord, my grace, you know, it's just all sounds the same to me. But it's a bunch of power bitches, powering it around, and all the dumb boys, they got to keep in line. And I like that it's like Game of Thrones is all the fights and this is all the governance. And I do like that.

I mean, it's just, I'm so happy for the people who are enjoying it. It's just I couldn't stop thinking about my badly made, you know, sad, dark, documentary, which is where my brain goes to when I want to relax. And I get that, but I also am even more excited for the people that have read the books that are watching this unfold to see, like, what did they choose? What do the showrunners? Like, what did they decide what happened in the world? And I think that that's a lot of fun for viewers as well. And now I didn't read this book, obviously, but I did read the Game of Thrones book. So I remember, you know, the juice we all felt watching Game of Thrones after having read it. So, you know, I'm given it the benefit of

of the doubt, and I am enjoying, if you give in. But also, MJ, you got to know what's going on with all the characters, because the second you don't, it's all gobbledy hook, you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, this is the thing. I know that my brain is never going to be able to keep the mental map of all of the various, but I know the basics. And I, you know, I like, I totally, it is, it is, I'm starting to understand the more I watch, the more fantasy and sci-fi and stuff that I watch.

I am starting to like have a appreciation for it and like understand like how fun it must be for people to immerse themselves in this world when they care so much about how this world has been established with Game of Thrones and going back in time and the governance and all that. So again, I'm not at all trying to yuck people's yums as they say. I appreciate that. I do just I do want to offer maybe it will annoy Gideon to such an extent that you would enjoy yourself by just singing the Game of Thrones theme song but making up your own lyrics about riding dragons, which is what. what I usually do for at least the first five minutes of every episode of, I want a dragon, get a dragon, have a dragon, have a dragon, have a dragon, want a dragon. Yeah, exactly. So I do, I sing about dragons. So maybe that's something that you could encourage yourself to do. And I love those dragons. They're cool. And I do understand why people think dragons are cool, because they are cool. Yeah. Dragons are cool. But can we talk about the milves? Melves. Yes. The Milves. Oh,

Oh my God. Have you guys ever noticed, by the way, the titles of Milf Manor, which I had never noticed. Amazing. Yeah. Until today. And they are so funny. I, like, had never actually just chosen from the list of episodes. And I was like, I cannot believe. Milfa Mia.

Every name has the word, every episode name has the word milf in it. Yeah. Milf list, runaway milf, mean milfs. Yeah, it's all, they're all, yeah, movie. They're all, like, rom-coms. Rom-com titles. How to lose to milf in 10 days. Failure to milf.

Failure to milf. Miltv struck. It's great. I wish that was my job. The, can we just bring up the rat, oggo that they brought into this house? Kelly, I'm sorry. You're fucking bringing yourself down to that yucco's level. They brought two new people in.

I couldn't tell who was the older one and who was the younger one. I am here and I am judging. Don't get me wrong. Neck down. you know, if you're into really big muscles, sure. But neck up, not only the face, but the personality where he thinks. Yeah, he's got a creepy baby head. He's got a creepy baby head and it makes you want to cut it off and put it on a baby doll's box.

And all the works, like Botox, veneers, like when it's just all of it. Filler, all of it. It's like. Yeah, the extreme veneers. I'm so bad at recognizing the veneers. I just get this uncanny feeling. I'm like, why is your smile so weird? It's the veneers.

I need to remember. Why do you look like the mask? Yes. From, you know, like Jim Carries the mask. It's so bizarre. Like, I don't understand why people are not more aware of how extreme veneers make one look. Yeah. It is, it is really.

You know, Jackie, I don't know if it was just you getting in my head. But this episode, I liked Kelly. I liked Kelly, too. I think that she, I like, I think I might like her. I think she might be growing on me. She's just such a bitch, like such a hot. Is it because we add her into the same? Sims on Wednesdays so now you're trying to say this so she doesn't have sex with your husband.

Maybe. Maybe it's because I need Kelly on side in my Sims world. Well, Kelly's maybe going to go for finally an older guy, which is, which is key. I mean, I hated that older, older guy, but. Puky sauce. I wanted to puke everywhere. Yeah, but she did. What? She kind of had solidarity with her. I'm sorry. If you're going to bring in a last minute addition, they better be the cream of Oh, the car. Whoa.

Yeah. I want to be blown away. I think because this man has big hard muscles, he's considered the cream of the crop. I know. And just so not my bag. I'm going to throw it out there. I think these women go for anyone. Yeah.

I don't really think they're discerning honestly. Their standards are so low. They're so horned up. And they're just so desperate, too, to be on the show. Yes. And they know that they have to be with someone to be on the show. I think that's really more of what it is with Kelly. I think it's more that, but like, she's just.

really just grabbing at the last ditch effort. But did you guys watch the next week on Milf Manor? Yes. Do you know who's coming? Little boy Joey. Yeah, why is he there? I was about to say, I was like, did I dream that? Like, why is he, why are they bringing him in?

Because he was such a disturbing hit, probably, on the first season. Everyone was like, where's that young child? Yeah. They're bringing him back. Where's the terrifying child? Well, maybe he can drink now, at least. Okay, that's good. He might be old enough to drink.

But I guess this. This is weird. I just looked up Milf Manor Season 2. And for some reason, last week's episode was episode 9. This must just be a mistake because it says next week's episode is also episode nine. Because I was about to say, how many episodes are there that they're just like, are they telling us that this is about like, are we looking down the barrel of like 15 episodes? Like how many episodes, guys?

I know. We're at 10 episodes and counting and we're not, there's no indication of when it's ending. Right. Whereas perfect match had 10 episodes, and that felt like too much, honestly. And now we're 10 episodes in. And yeah, I mean, yeah, so the highlights from this week are basically that... It is 15. There's 15 episodes.

Kelly and the other bitches all confronted Rebecca, who, by the way, Anthony doesn't even remember her name. He called her Rachel. He doesn't even remember her name. Dirty Dog Man, doesn't remember her name. He wakes up and Lynette is gone and I thought he would be upset and he's not even that upset. No, he's not. I feel loose. I feel kind of, I feel a little.

You don't know. No. He is dirty dog and he does not deserve our time. But if we are going to be talking about dirty dogs that do deserve our time, we have to talk up. We're hitting the end of our episode. We need to talk about the bear. Oh, God. Are you like I slam the entire thing.

Really? No. I'm not. Got it all. We watched one episode of it so far. I've watched one episode of it and I'm in love, of course. I mean, we weren't complaining about the first episode or I saw an article being like that worst premiere of a season.

Oh, no, I watched two episodes. It got me right back old. Yeah, the first episode was really interesting. It was almost like it was like what I want at the beginning of every prestige new season, which is like, here's what happened on the last season. But it wasn't just a recap. It was like, here's where Carmi's brain is. Yeah, I thought it was great.

I did love a tweet like I read there was like I love the bear but if I if someone like if the awesome sandwich shop in my Chicago neighborhood got closed down because oh yeah white dude moved back in and turned to make a little bite restaurant I'd openly protest going there yeah yeah no I feel the same way I'm like I love this show so much and I also feel weird like contempt for this type of restaurant maybe it's just because I don't think I'll ever I'll ever eat at that restaurant and I would love and I love and I I love the type of sandwich shop that it once was. Right. I love the original version.

And I am not. But it's amazing. I mean, what a testament to the show that it's just so so compelling. Although I also saw a very good tweet that was like, the problem is that the bear captures. And I've never worked in a restaurant. I've worked in food service,

but not like in a restaurant kitchen. But the tweet was like, the bear captures so accurately. and so convincingly what it's like to work in a restaurant, but that's not the same thing as what it's like to like own a restaurant or run a restaurant. And so I think that the incredible goodwill that the first two seasons built up around like what it's like to be a worker in a restaurant, it feels a little different to now be like experiencing that from the point,

like identifying with like the owner of a new fancy restaurant. I feel that this is less about the running, of the restaurant per se. Like there are these two standout episodes. One is actually directed by Iota Berry, which, oh, go for her. She killed this episode. I've heard that's like the favorite of the season. That's an amazing episode.

But it's just a beautiful, it's so well written. It's so well acted. I understand, like obviously I'm not a restaurant owner, so I can't speak towards like the perspective of that. But this, it's just such a great. season and it's so hard though because I do get a little like Karmie just like smile for a second like smile over a second for me. Karmie for me

smile over me please. So it is like especially we did watch it in like two or three days so it was a lot of like staring at hot Jeremy Allen White being so upset. He's just so upset. Yeah and it is just very upsetting. Yeah. You just watch it and you're like everything is bad, you know, like, but in a great one, too. Yeah, right. And also, cousin, I just think that he's getting hotter.

Like, I think that I'm falling more and more. And also, so is Iowa to bear. Like, I, you know, Iowa to Barry is already really attractive. But, like, this season, she's really just coming to her. Like, I don't know. I really enjoyed it. I really loved what they did with the facts. There's a lot more facts in this season.

I love the facts. And I do see a lot of people that I think that, like, are more upset because there's more facts just because it adds more comic relief. Like this season there is more comic relief I feel than last season.

More of a comedy. And that's the thing, like I haven't gotten into it yet, but even if this season is about like running and running a fancy restaurant, which again, on paper,

I might not even be compelled by that. The characters, the relationships, and the acting and the performances are just so fucking compelling. I just can't imagine not enjoying it, especially because, yeah, even the first episode, it was really just like, like, here's,

here's, here's, here's his brain and his heart, and there's really nothing else. Like, they just, it's just such a fascinatingly, you know, it's just, there's no other show that's making episodes like this, I feel like, so it's just really exciting. Yeah, and I'm sad because it's the very end, and I know you guys didn't see it, but I do, I did have Jackie's hot take corner, and I'm very surprised that everyone is so in love with the new Quiet Place Day one. I don't understand why it has an 85% of rotten tomatoes. I laughed audibly multiple times. I really don't.

Again, page 7 podcast, gml.com. What am I missing? I've seen all the quiet places. I enjoy the quiet places. I went into it seeing that 85% rotten tomatoes rating. And I was like, fuck, yeah. So funny. Let's fucking do it y'all.

I saw the first one. I thought it was fine. I don't know. First one was good. It was one of those. The second one also was good. But I don't know. The first one didn't leave me being like,

I must see more of this world. I need to know how it began. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know, but to each of the road. And I like that it's like different characters. I like that it's like with what they're doing with Planet of the Apes, where it's like within the world, but they're following different people. Like, Lupita did as much as she could, but there was only so much because it was one of the worst written. It was so, I just.

Really? I was, I maybe it's, I think it really is because I went into it thinking it was going to be really good. Like, I thought it was going to be like a really good movie. so maybe that's why I'm so disappointed. I just thought, and like not laughable to a point where you should go see it anyway. So I don't, I'm really, you know, I don't really enjoy having hot takes. I don't try to dislike things that everybody loves. So I really was surprised.

And what was your Yorgos Lanthamos that you saw? Kinds of kindness. Oh my God. In the opposite way, kinds of. kindness, not for everybody. It is an anthology movie. It is the cast is out. Emma Stone kills it.

Willem Defoe. Jesse Plemons. Mark Quaughley does an amazing job. It's an anthology movie, and that's all I'm going to say. It's real weird, and they all play. Joe Alwynn's in it. Even he's good in it. Yes, he is in it.

Wow. He's been good. I've never seen him be bad in a thing. I've never seen him be bad in a thing. I've never seen him be. memorable, I guess. The tiniest little British man. But I love anthology movies too. Can I just say? And they all play different characters in each portion and just a wonderful tour to force to watch a weird movie with amazing actors just killing the game. But again, if you like a your ghostly anthobos movie, it's not as upsetting as like killing of a sacred deer.

but it's not as like in your face as a poor things but I if you enjoy your Los Lantamos I think that you will enjoy this movie hell yeah hell yeah all right well I say we sing the song and call it a day thanks everybody for joining us for talk of TV what a good time oh it's send in the milfs and send in your thoughts if we got it wrong and again I'm I'm so happy for your house of dragon people I'm gonna try again to enjoy it next week I love you guys Try again. But now we're pretty deep. So I understand if it's just not.

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