Page 7 - Talkin' TV - Sister Wife

Episode Date: September 25, 2024

In this weeks Talkin' TV Holden's feeling the spOoOoky season with Lisa Frankenstein and Jackie conjures up her horniness for Aubrey Plaza and Kathryn Hahn watching Agatha All Along, and MJ ponders if the new season of Interview with the Vampire is worth paying for AMC+.  More Momtoktalk as MJ and Jackie recap the final episode of SLoMM and how gross Jennifer Affleck's relationship comes across, and in keeping with weird religious relationships - the season premiere of SISTER WIVES dropped on Max.   The Golden Bachelorette had MJ BIG SAD and it's an absolute (wrinkly) sausage fest, Newest season of The Circle is out and it's gettin' trickier and Jackie gets slurped into Culinary Clash Wars, plus more!  Lisa Frankenstein - Amazon PrimeAgatha All Along - Disney+Interview with a Vampire - AMC+Secret Lives of Mormon Wives - HuluSister Wives - Max, Discovery +The Golden Bachelorette - HuluThe Circle - NetflixCulinary Clash Wars - Netflix Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

with MJ Holden and Jackie talking TV And you know it's gonna get wacky Because everybody knows and everybody knows and everybody knows we're talking shows We're talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie Oh, we're talking TV today guys What's all? I have folded some TV and I'm just gonna say it off the gate that I am so upset that I haven't been able to go see substance yet.

I'm going to go see it tonight. Everyone's barking about it. And I need everybody to know. Everybody's bark, bark, bark, bark, bark, barking about the substance. So go watch it this week in the movie theater if you can. And I'm going to talk about it next week. But apparently it's great. It's great.

Yeah, it looks really cool. It looks very visually striking. You know what I mean? Is it spooky? Is it a scary thing? Yes, yeah, it's a body horror. I'm feeling very, I'm already feeling into spooky season. And last night I kicked it up.

I was like, yeah, I want to go full scary movies, I think, right now. I think I'm trying to maybe get into bed a little earlier, you know what I mean, get a movie going. And so last night I took a chance on Lisa Frankenstein. Have you talked about this, Jackie? No. We've gotten a lot of emails about it, I think, recommended it. I know that I want to see it. My problem is what usually keeps me is I'm not that into funny horror unless it's really good.

I mean, I wouldn't say it's like, it's more of a horror kind of gal. It's more of a cute, like, kind of rom-com. It's not going like super hard on comedy. Cole Spouse is a major part of it. Oh, yeah. Maybe that's what we've got. And he's silent, right? And he's mostly silent because essentially what it is is this, this, I'm really charmed by

Who is it starring? It's starring a Catherine Newton. Very charmed by her. She really, it's very 80s, like extremely 80s, 80s coded. You know, it has that look, that, you know, that pink and neon and kind of thing. And then she... That's what she said. She's great in blockers, Catherine Newton.

Catherine, and she's from Stranger Things, too, right? Oh, yeah. I didn't know. Yeah, I didn't know. And by the way... No? Oh, she just looks like Nancy from Stranger Things, but she's not. It's also Diablo Cody, and I mean, I love Jennifer's body.

Like, I think that's fantastic. Oh, it's Diablo Cody. And it's that kind of vibe. You know what I mean? For sure. I didn't think it was like laugh out loud, hilarious or anything like that. But it's just fun. It's just like she brings this, she's like obsessed with this guy, this tombstone in this graveyard of this, like, guy.

Stuff happens. He ends up coming back to life. And then she's sort of trying to like, it essentially becomes kind of funny. I'm doing Little Shop of Horrors for Whizbro this week for Spooky Month. Yeah. And it kind of reminds me of that. She's got to like, she's got to like get, you know, he's missing a hand right in the beginning. So she's got to like go find somebody to cut a hand off.

And this guy is like a creeper at a party. So she like chooses him. Hell yeah. You know what I mean? That's a fun premise. Yeah. Yeah. And it is a lot of fun.

It's a good time. It's a nice, breezy, you know, not actually scary kind of thing. And it just has a, it's like oozing with style. And I really did enjoy it. by what Zelda Williams? What did she do? Not a ton, right? So she's best in for doing a voice on the legend of Cora. So yeah, I think she's kind of new, like young. It has like a young vibe to it for sure. Yeah, for sure. I was just like fun to be in it. It's one of those. I just like liked the world. I was really charmed by the, uh, the main lady in it. Um, and, you know, does the whole thing.

Definitely very stranger things adjacent feeling. You know what I mean? With that. Yeah, I was mistaken about it. She was, looks like, she looks like Nancy from Stranger Things, but, uh, but not her. But yeah, it's just a bunch of, um, you have young white woman blindness. I understand. I experience it every once in a while myself. Little bird, bird girl, you know, blindness. But, um, yeah, we have gotten so many emails about this, I think, because of the Cole Spouse connection. And I do, I like Cole Spouse even though I'm torn about it. I know he's not a great person, but I do think he's a really good So you think that we should, like, I've had Lisa Frankenstein on my list.

You think it's a yes watch. It's very fun. It's a, yes, it's a, I need a brain break. I just want to watch something like light and fluffy, you know, that's still, that's still like a horrorish movie for the, for the spooky season. I kind of feel very similarly to everything you're saying about Lisa Frankenstein, but I felt that way about watching Agatha all along. Yeah, I want to watch that.

Yeah, I wanted to start that last night as well. Tell us it. Yes. Lexa got to bed a little too late. Yeah. I loved Wanda Vision and I love her. I love Wanda Vision and also Catherine Hahn can do anything to me. I am obsessed with Catherine Hahn and I will watch anything she is in and I don't care.

And I am, I'm going to say it, I'm in love with her. I'm in love with her. And it, and I'm excited because our friends this year is in it. and she's killing it. And it's a fun, like, it is a silly spinoff from Wanda Vision. Now, I would say that, like, the first, I think this first three episodes that had dropped,

it didn't like, I feel like when I was first watching Wanda Vision, I was so like, what is this? Yeah. And there was, like, that aspect to it. And I'm not necessarily getting that from Agatha all along, but I'm not disliking it.

Uh-huh. I like all the characters. I like, I'm like, okay, I'm intrigued with what they're doing and only the first three episodes have dropped. And so I was like, I want to keep watching it because I like the characters they created inside of it also. If you're just queer baiting me with Aubrey Plaza and Catherine Hahn, I'm, I accept. You consider myself baited. I am baited. And I don't, I just, but you know it's Disney. So you know it's not going to go anywhere. but I'm just sitting here just like, it's so difficult for me because my horniness

takes over when I watch Marvel things and it's really like goes against my brain that they are not, there's nothing horny about the world of Marvel. But then I look at Catherine Hahn as a witch and I'm like how and then the queer baiting with her and Aubrey Plaza and hopefully that that is a relationship that they expand on as this show goes on because like I was vibrating. in the scene they were in together. I was just like, but then they kiss. But then I'm being the horny creep.

And I don't want to be a horny creep. I just want to enjoy the show. But I wasn't like so wrapped up in the show that I wasn't vibrating about them kissing. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, I, I'm with it. People have definitely been talking about Agatha all along and I really liked Wanda Vision. And I, you know, Gideon likes all the Marvel things.

And I usually am like, uh, I don't want to like. that. But then he finally convinced me to watch Wanda Vision and I was like stunned by it. And so I think part of me, it's like that thing when something is really, really, really good. And then there's like an offshoot of it. I'm like worried that I won't like this as much as Wanda Vision. And I loved Elizabeth Olson and whatever. But it has, it can be its own thing. The characters, I think that you will be like, because I really like what they're doing with the characters. It's not characters we've seen in every single one of these marvels. Yeah. Like I like that I feel like they're trying something different with it.

Good. And as much as Disney's going to try to be different about, you know what I mean? Like, it's still Disney. But they are at least trying something. And again, I'm here for that with horror, and I'm down to watch it. You know, no one is fighting with music notes.

And again, Catherine Hahn. Yeah, just anything Marvel's doing that's trying to be at all, like, different from just the, the bog standard is going to at least get me to watch a little bit of it. So I'm definitely, I want to start it for sure. Oh, God. I'm sorry, not to go back to back here, but, like, I know that it's too violent for Lexi, but we finished and watched the entirety of the second season of interview with a vampire.

Yeah. And all I could think of was, like, the second season is so much more Lexi's speed, I feel like. But, like, it's also still fairly violent. I'm not saying it's not violent. But I just like, I thought about her while watching the second season. It was like, oh, man, I wish she could like not, but I know there's a lot of violence to be like, just don't watch the violence. Stay for everything else.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, maybe we could get back on it at some point for sure, you know. I'm trying to also just be horizontal more often lately. I'm just so tired all the time. So I'm like trying to get away from my desk where at video games set up. And like, like, so I've maybe if anything. I think I'll just pick it back up myself. But that's cool.

I'm glad I'm glad it's so good. It's set in Paris, right? The second season? Yes. And it's, yeah. And it was so fun too because even like the teaser for the third season, like, oh, never mind. What I was about to say is, but I don't know.

I say nothing. Interesting. And I just like, Lestat, Sam Reed. I sing for him. I sing for him thinking about him. having sex in coffins. I sing for him just being misunderstood. I sing and I sing and I sing.

But MJ, I dare say you're probably a Louie. You're telling me I'm a Louie? I think this is where we, because like you watch the first, I feel like you might, I'm assuming I'm more into La Stott and you're more into Louis. And maybe I'm making the poor assumption. Me as a person about who I want to kiss? Correct. No, I want to kiss.

I mean, personality wise, I guess I would rather marry Louis. But no, if I'm talking about who I'm going to. kissing. I'm kissing. Lestat. Or you have your mind. He looks like Smith Jared from Sex and the City. Oh my God. Oh my God. He does. That's all I can think about. I'm like I know it's not Smith Jared from Sex of the City, but it looks like Smith Jared from Sex of the City. Yeah, no, he's so, so, so pretty. And yeah, he really does. Weird. So much, right? Yeah. Yeah, that's all I can think about when I watch interview with the vampire. But Gideon and I did watch the first season now that

was released on Netflix and we both loved it. And so we were debating whether or not to pay for AMC, inevitably forget to cancel the trial so that we can watch the second season. And you did ask me if it was worth it. You asked me if, now I would say. And then you didn't text me back, interesting. I didn't text you back because you were on a boat. I hadn't finished.

I was on a boat at the time. But I also hadn't finished yet. And I needed to completely finish to tell you now. Especially I think that you should. Okay. I think that it is worth it. I think that they did a great job with the second season. I think that it is not like a cookie cutter of the first season.

And I'm not like familiar with the story. So it has just been like a fun ride and I'm really enjoying it. You haven't, you're not like an Anne Rice person in terms of you haven't read all the books or whatever. It's one of those that like I don't know how I did it. Yeah. Like I just like I never, I need and I know it's coming. I feel like this is going to be like early. early 40s Jackie goes through like a real insane Anne Rice time period because I'm so trapped

in my monster smut right now that like even though I understand it is monster smut. But like it's almost, it's I dare say almost too romantic and not smutty enough for what my brain needs. I understand. I understand. Yeah, it is. I mean, and for anybody. I know it gets there and don't.

And yeah, let me know though. when I go through my Anne Rice period, and I know a lot of you are listening, let me know where to start. And it's so funny because we spent, you know, for our live show, Jackie talking about interview with a vampire was like a, you know, she talked about it every night at the live show. And so I've heard Jackie talk a lot about the AMC interview with a vampire, but I hadn't actually watched it until a few weeks ago. And I was like, well, it is exactly as gay as Jackie said it was, which is very. And man, it is really fun, really, really fun. And then I was like, are the books this gay? Is it always been this guy?

I know that the subtext of the gayness was there in the movie, but obviously it was the 90s and so they couldn't really do it. I believe it's all subtext, but I'm here, yeah, let's unsub it. It's text. Let's pro that text. Yeah, baby. In the new show, it is just text. There's no sub about it.

So I really, really love season one. and I, hopefully by next week, we'll have started season two, although probably Gideon will want to do Agatha all along if he hasn't started it. But that's only at least, that's not as big of a time suck as, at least Agatha all along you can watch in a blimp. Okay. On Wizard and the Bruiser, we find all those crazy little moments in geek history that made the things we love into inescapable cultural behemates.

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Mormons. I get it. I was worried we wouldn't talk about it since we talked about it last week, but we have to talk about the end, right? Now we've finished it.

Will Mom Talk ever survive this? Mom Talk's not going to survive this. Mom Talk will never survive. How is Mom Talk gonna survive this, hold? How will it ever survive this? Spoiler alert. We're going to talk about the end of... Also, what is it?

It seems like it's nothing. It seems like it's completely vapid and useless. So I don't even understand why people care at all. It's how they make their, they are all the breadwinters. Oh my God. Don't you.

think I don't know they're all breadwinners. God, do they love to bring up the fact that they don't even ever say it a different way. They just say breadwinner. Yeah, but if I, no, no, no, if I was that enthralled in such a patriarchal religion, I also would be fucking screaming from the mountain dogs that I'm making the fucking money. I want everybody like the way these fucking douchebags. It's upsetting. That whole thing is that. I, oh man. Oh, those last two episodes. So last week. Yes. MJ and I had not watched the last two episodes.

And so much shit goes down in the last two episodes. I was so upset. I actually felt a little bit cheapish for how I had been talking about it last week because I was like, the gender role stuff is so interesting. Like they kind of question some of it, but for the most part, they kind of like, they're all kind of like in their lane. And then I was like, oh my God. There is like between the range of, you know, rebellion against the kind of social expectations

and gender expectations of the Mormon church within these women is huge. And to see, to see, like, especially the woman who we know has the least economic status. Like, she is the one who's like, my mom cleans hospital,

like is a cleaner in the same hospital where my husband's dad work is the head surgeon, which is Jen Affleck. And so to see her be like, I like came from very, very little and now I've married into this family. And that's the person who's in the extremely emotionally abusive, coercive relationship. I was like, this got real dark, real fast.

Yeah. And I will say the one redeeming thing for the whole was that scene where they're all like, we all think your husband sucks. Yeah. And we all agree that, and everyone back me up here. We all think he's being a piece of shit right now. Yeah. This is really bad.

And I don't think you should be with this fucking guy. And that was the one thing that made me not feel hatred towards just everything happening on the screen at all times. You know what I mean? The problem is that like, I know this is a horrible thing to say, but it's like all I can hope is that they're also having this conversation with her off camera. Yeah. Right. I hope that this is also like a genuine conversation because, yes, show it. That should be discussed.

Yes. But also in real life, I hope she's talking about these things. I hope she's okay. The problem is, though, it's the same thing. We've all been through this, though, where you're like, this guy sucks or this lady sucks, and you shouldn't be with them. And then they have a long, important talk. And the next day, they're more in love with them than they ever were the day before

when you thought they were literally moments away from leaving them. And then it's such a dance. Cycle of abuse. Yeah, there's nothing you can do about it. But anyway, so if you don't know, if you're just listening to us kind of talk about this on the sidelines, Like they went to a Chippendales show in Vegas and the two that were like afraid of their husbands because their husbands fucking went to fucking Vegas to ruin their girls trip. To be fair, she was like eight and a half months pregnant.

If your wife was eight and a half months pregnant, I'd also want to be there. So to be fair, I will say, and not that I would ever defend Dakota. But I hate Dakota so much. Dakota's a fuck boy for a lot of reasons. By the way. Yes. But Dakota, honestly, compared to. to Zach Afflack, Dakota comes out looking like pretty good because he-

Not as bad, but he sucks too. He sucks, he sucks, he sucks. And they folks are like, oh, we're here. They call them scared out of their minds that they're even just in a building that has a Chippa-Chippendale's show in it. You're that scared of your partner? I just want you to know about it. And then the husband's just like, I hate you now.

And it's just like, they didn't even go. They called you, you fucking dirt. You know so much of, we understand so much of reality. television is just like edited for drama. We understand that. Right. But what you can't fake is how genuinely scared that poor woman was on the phone talking to her husband.

So lame. I actually got real upset about like this, about how genuine, like, you know, I love my reality shows because like, ah, it's guys. Ah, it's crazy. But that like genuine conversation, like, put a pit in my stomach that made me want to throw up. I actually felt like pretty upset about the entire. entire like it it shouldn't have it shouldn't be reality television it shouldn't be you know and I'm over I'm

here for the shit and the trash and the milfs right you know the mom talk and the mom talk and all of that but this was just we were just it was just emotional abuse on camera a bunch of friends begging her to leave him a bunch of friends worrying about her physical safety and of course I went and checked her fucking Instagram and of course she's still with him and her posts are all damage control you know, you don't see the whole picture. I love my marriage. We've been through a lot, but we always come out stronger shit. And it's scary and it's upsetting.

You've been through a lot. You mean, he perpetuates like this awful fucking behavior and he just has crazy jealousy issues that he needs to get therapy for, but he won't. He'll just put you through it instead. Yes. And then, yeah, exactly. You come out better from that.

It's, it's... And then they move to New York. So now she's just isolated. Yes. From her community. And that's what? What? Surprise! what abusers do?

Oh, they separate you. They get you away from the community that is there telling you that this person isn't good. This person is treating you poorly. You shouldn't stay with this person. I couldn't believe how actually upset I got at the end of this show. Yes, I know. It was, you know, it's just a glaring reminder at the many issues that a kind of controlled religious environment like that can produce, you know, because of all the structures in place that give power. to the not breadwinners.

And that's the insult to injury. Two things. One, she was like, don't fucking like gamble all their money away, which he did. And also the double standard of that where it's like, oh, you can just like gamble

until fucking four in the morning, which she can't go to a Chippadale's show where she wouldn't even like be, you know, doing anything even bad. Like, could you, I can't. I can't imagine having a partner like that. I can't imagine being a partner like that. I couldn't possibly imagine.

Yeah. And then, yeah. And she, he has the audacity to act like, he should be making all the decisions because he's the man. Meanwhile, she makes all the money. But it's like she's making all the money.

That's the number two I was going to say. And then also it's her fucking money. She's making all the money and you get to have all the say. So she asks you not to gamble it away, then don't gamble it all away. But it's so fucked up because, again, because she is the one who comes from a poor family. So even though she is literally making the money in the family and he's not making any

fucking money, but because he comes from a rich family, he has all the power. She has no power, right? And, and oh, it's just, it's, and honestly, I actually feel like it made all those other bitches look, like, great. I like, I really liked them because they were, you know, they were arranged from, you know, well, I also want to be an obedient wife, but this is too much to all the way to the bitches who were like, fuck the patriarchy. Yeah. I thought a Mormon anymore.

And it was like, it was interesting to see how much Mormons contain multitudes. Especially going right from watching that into watching the series premiere or the season premiere of sister wives was also last week as well. And watching the differences of like what like you're now watching this is I think season 18 or 19. Tell me about, aren't they all divorced? She's got one wife left and they are still following the other wives to like follow their independence. I'm accidentally not polygamous anymore. It is, but it's so fascinating to watch how these relationships fell apart and like him trying to do the struggle of like, I am the patriarch of this family. And then the women were like, you're not in fucking charge of us.

No, you're not in charge of us anymore. And like, that's why I'm still watched because I'm just like, fuck yeah, Christ and now go live your lives, bitch, ass gas. And I'm here like celebrating them. Robin's the only one who's with him. Sob and Robin still there. Oh, she's there. And it is, and it's just her crying like, I expected to sit on a porch

with my sister wife. Oh, shut up, Robin. Just sit on a porch. I know that like, all you want to do is sit on a porch. She's wants to sit on a porch with their sister wives. But it is, like, because y'all know, I get so, I'm so intrigued by religions like these. love to watch the inner workings of them just because I'm so fascinated by someone that is especially

like when you're raised in it and then you start understanding that like, oh, oh, maybe I don't. What I like about the Brown family is that they never put it on their children that they had to be a certain way, that they never put it on their children of what they could and could not do. And I like that they, I mean, I'm sure, you know, there's still parents. so I'm sure that there was a level of like encouraging going to, you know, mass and stuff like that, but I have no idea. At least it wasn't something that was so publicly pushed that it was like, I've never seen, I've gotten very, I've wanted like hit Cody Brown in the face before because he is an obnoxious man,

but he's never been to, because he does a lot of the like, I'm in charge, I'm in charge. And the women are like, okay. Because he's not. And I think it's what I always liked about the sister wives. Totally. It was more of like a manipulation of the women being like, let him think he's in charge. Yeah. We all know he's not in charge.

Yeah, it's a study in group dynamics for sure. Like, okay, there's four adults in this relationship. Then how does that? And then interesting, as they get their independence, as their kids come into, because now most of the kids are adults. So it's like as they start learning for themselves and finding themselves that, like, That helped the mothers be like, oh, yeah, why aren't I doing this as well? I love it.

I'm obsessed. Obviously, I know. Most people don't care about Sister Wives. I'll watch it. I'll skip. I started, I watched seasons one and two. So if I can skip ahead to 18, I'm fine with that. But a lot has happened.

Yikes. I'll catch up. I don't think I need to know the details of everything. I know that the divorce has happened. But if we're going to talk about a reality show that also makes me want to be dead, can we please talk? about the golden bachelorette. Oh my God.

We're watching the golden bachelorette. Did you text Holden to watch it too or just me? No, I just because I, I did it. Honestly, at first it was like, oh, is this going to be, I know MJ, you're down for a borough snorro ride when it comes to watching a show. So I texted you right when I first started it because I was like, all right, confession. I've never watched a season of the bachelor's. same. I have, like the, the, the, the, uh, the network, you know, evening primetime ABC style reality show

is a different flavor. We talk all about the Netflix universe of reality, the Bravo universe of reality. There is another universe, which is the bachelorette universe of two hour primetime slot on a network, you know, feeling. And man, are they different? Man, are there so many men? Holden there's 24 men It is a sausage festival

And they're all old? All old Yes And they are living The saddest fucking years of their lives Makes me want to be dead Are they all divorced? Yeah

Most of them or a lot of them are widowed A lot of them are widowed A lot of them are widowed It's bringing in the like sob stories Of each of their stories Yeah it's like Milder How depressing season two guys It's a bunch of sad dad

It's worse than milk It's sadder It's so much sadder The Golden Bachelorette herself is just like devastated by the loss of her husband. She, I feel, can we just say, all right, and I need everyone know. So this is like they started the Golden Bachelor. I don't know if that was earlier this year or if it was late last year. I just remember whatever time it was, I wasn't in a place to watch it.

We talked about it. Yes. We were like, I just not. I just wasn't in the head space to watch it. So I was like, you know what? the first Golden Bachelor took everybody by storm. I was like, I think that we should jump into the Golden Bachelorette, see what this is all about. She is.

I just, wow. She is stunning. What a smoke show. And it is a very different experience than Milf Manor Holden. And in fact, I want you to watch it because I want to hear your thoughts. Because Milf Manor, you have a bunch of self-selecting freaks who are, yes, they are women in their 50s. But they, most of them, first of all, were in their 40s. some of them were in their 50s,

but they were all the same type of people who would apply to be on a reality show like a perfect match, right? It's like, it's just the jests and the Francescas, but 25 years into the future, right? Whereas this bitch is like

kind of just like a normal, lovely woman. Although she does seem to... And he loved her husband. She loved her husband. And she's just like a self-possess. She has the self-confidence and the self-possession that none of the other, none of the Melves have.

She's a catch. No, she's an inspiration. She is beautiful. She is put together. Yeah. She seems like she, like, loves living her life. It was very unexpected when she lost her husband, which was only, like, a couple of years ago.

Yeah. And she is still very much in love with her husband, but I also don't know. Like, I can't imagine being married to someone for 30 years and then, like, being ready to move. on and how much time that would take or is it like I just need to move on because I'm never going to properly grieve.

Well, this is why when I was saying before I made she wish I was dying dead because it's like so sad. It's actually making me like really, really sad because she's just like, I just wanted to spend more time with him. It's like really, really sad. And I like, I keep thinking about how

how sad it must be to like lose your partner when you're older and like just be like, we were really hoping to have a lot more years together. And it, like, really is getting to me how sad it is. And I keep thinking about it. But also, so that part is... And then you have to pause the Golden Bachelorette so that you can cry about it because that is something that I did a couple of times while watching the Golden Bachelorette.

It's, like, actually really getting to me how the... And they're talking about it. They're like, these are like, you know, they're calling them the golden years, but, like, everyone's sad. Everyone's like, I lost my, like, what a person I think would be, like, the love, you know, with me for the rest of my life. But what's cool about it is. And what I really am enjoying, despite it, it is the format of these shows is there's too many men.

It's so long. She has to give them the roses one by one. Let's keep pick up the thing about. Brittle. Was this poor woman having to be like, having, like, what would actually work on you? Like, watch, because again, I've never seen that I've never watched even, like, an episode of The Bachelor. And, like, she has to stand there and be introduced to, like, the what, like, 25, 30 men that

come in that all want to bang her and they all have like 45 seconds to make an impression. And it's like, what though? Genuinely, what would work on you? What do you think that you would see? Because you're watching all these dudes try to do something so that they are memorandum. Yeah, a lot of them are doing a like a g-chok with the soup. Fucker, his name is chalk. And he goes, yeah, and I heard that you like to make noodle soup.

And I also like, so I just wanted to come up. and he comes out and he's got a jar of soup and he goes, I'll call it chock full of chicken soup. And he doesn't say it like that, but I just like, all I could think, but it's like, it's very nice that he did that. And that is something that like, oh, that would make me remember someone. Yeah, I feel like, okay, this would be for me,

be like, hey, name's Cheryl, but people call me Chevrolet and this is what my fucking pussy looks like. And then just lifts up the dress, you know what you mean? I give it a gander. But it's a car. It's like a full fender. a car underneath you. I'm like, all right, you're in the front of my head.

You know what I mean? And I will also say this in defense of Leonardo DiCaprio. Ew. We're talking about these. Whatever you're about to say, I'm saying you at it. These sad old people, but he never has to deal with being, you know, like a widower or, you know, you know what I mean? Yeah, he just keeps getting new ones. Yeah, he just gets a new one.

And then you don't have to have this. You have feelings. You know, oh, I was with him for 40 years. And then he thought, you know what I mean? You don't have to deal with. any of that. You just go, no, she's, she turned 23. Time for, time for new. You know what mean? And then you'd never have to have this. Deep sadness going on. The amazing thing, and it is so different than the Miltf Banner, is that this is a woman who is an older woman and,

yeah, I guess she's stunning, but she looks like an older woman. She acts like an older woman. And all the men are like stumbling over themselves trying to get to her. Like, I would be so scared. I mean, I would be scared. Scary. Too many men. It's too many men. And like, I don't know if I genuinely could handle.

Like, outside of, I feel like I've been in situations like that when we're all comedians and like we're there to do a show or like something like that. But like, I can't imagine being in a room where 30 men are just like, oh, one. Yeah, no. Our VIP experience isn't just 30 men just waiting to be like, are you going to remember? the me more than the others. You know, thankfully, it's not like that. Yeah. And yet, though, I'm going to watch the next episode. I'm going to watch

it too. I just, I'm just so glad that they I mean, I'm sure they're going to be a bunch of dirty dogs, but they, it's so much better than Milf Manor. You know, that's right. That's how I got MJ to watch it. I was like, it's full of dirty dolls. But at least they're older men who want to date this older lady.

Right. Isn't that refreshing? What about Jack? The guy from Reno, the guy Jack, that comes in, he made me think of Anthony, except I think he's less of a dirty dog because he made everybody food, and he seems like he's just one of the guys. And I think I love him. There's going to be so many dogs. But it's just so, it is shocking to see a bunch of men try to like thirst after an older lady. It just is a shock. It's a shock to the system. And it's a delight. And I'm happy for her, Joan or Jean or whatever your name is. Well, my trash reality, my trash reality that I'm in the corner watching is the Circle season. I started it. I started it. I somehow swallowed. It's this damn show.

I swallowed seven episodes. Whoa. I don't even know how I did it. Wow. I don't know I did it. I mean, I feel like I would have done that if this was like my video game show, but of course this is my end of the night with Lexi show. So we're watching it a lot slower than that. But we're a couple episodes in already as well.

And it's, uh, yeah, but do I have anything to say about it? Also, by the way, I was out. That's the thing. I don't have. Also, my husband was out of town for like five days. So I just so everyone knows. I needed to get my, and he doesn't care for reality television. So this was my time to like, slurp, sorps, sloop, slurp, slurp.

Well, I mean, what do you even, did you have anything to say about this season that's like, it's really just more of the same, right? Yeah. It is more of the same. I like that they did not bring back the AI component. Sure. I like, I guess I like disruptor mode. I'm fine. Disruptor.

I don't know if you've gotten. Disruption. Disruption. Like, I like being able to yell disruption. I do like that. They have disruptor mode where somebody can just say out loud disruption. And if you're the first one to say it, you become the disruptor. And that leads to different shenanigans and different situations.

Oh, my gosh. That is so funny. So, yeah, it's like, you know, and then no one knows who the disruptor is, yada, yada, yada. But at the same time, though, that's another one of those things that I kind of wish they had more disruptions. Yeah. Like, I feel like I like the idea. because you don't know if the disruption is going to be positive or if it's going to be negative. Uh-huh.

So I like, I wish that they had more of that. Right. Because I was, I really, I got to say, I was really underwhelmed by the previous season, by season six. I understand. It was a slog. And I was not looking forward to starting season. Well, I guess it wasn't a slog for me. It is literally just, it is the Xanax of reality TV for me.

It really is like laying bad. You can look at your phone whenever you want. It's exhausted parent fodder. It works great for that. Like, we're just in bed. It's on. It's not doing anything to, you know, throw me for a loop on any level. I'm not thinking, oh, my God, this poor woman needs to get out of this, you know, abusive marriage.

Yes. Yeah, I need to be playing my video game. I was playing Blackwood Woocag where I was like, you know, a monkey man. destroying like Lord Gods and I needed that energy while I was playing that game as I could like beat something up while you know absorbing this just hate-fueled mom talk nonsense. Whereas the circles like I just need to be as medicated as possible and that medication includes the TV I'm watching. This is literally a fucking pill in a TV show because it's just so light and so chill. Yeah. I like the twins. I like the twins. The Staten Island twins. They are very

They are cute. They are cute. And I also think that they did a better job. I do feel more invested in this season because I think they do a better job of like alliances and making bigger choices that aren't necessarily like breaking alliances, hurting people. Like it is a little bit more self-serving than I felt like the last season was. And that just makes for better television. And then the show kind of really, the circle really does live or die on its cast.

think they did a pretty good job of casting and even the like catfishy you know fake accounts they did I think a smarter job with that you know what I mean because it gets to a point you're just like why would you be anything other than you but I think they did a good job with like the choices they made on that yeah where like the real people I'm like I would definitely think that guy was a catfish yeah the teacher guy that's like that's like really attractive and like what does he do he's like so sweet and like these you know and they did a good job of that yes so i don't know yeah i'm enjoying i'll keep watching it yeah but it's definitely it's therapeutic it's therapeutic it's definitely a put-on in the background kind of show yeah yeah you don't need to pay attention you can stare at your phone

and i will say the golden bachelorette is similar very similar bachelorette you do not need to pay close attention what's golden bachelorette on is that a mox hulu okay yeah um i might have to check that out i cannot believe i've watched i'm now on these seventh season of the circle, by the way. That blows my mind. I know. That is so crazy. Inside of you. Now, even last night, we accidentally watched two episodes of, we went out to dinner

with friends. They told us about this show that we should check out. And then we accidentally watched two hours of it last night. And the show is called Culinary Class Wars. It just started on Netflix. MJ, I'm looking at you, dude. It is called Culinary Class Wars. It is in the same style as Physical 100.

It is a Korean reality show where they have 80 black spoon underdog chefs that are, but like 80 different from like all walks of life. Like some influencer chefs, some people that like own food trucks. Some people do like buck banks. It's like all across the like the gambit of what a chef could be. And then there's 20 of the white spoon. chefs and they are the big bads of the culinary world. And so the first competition is to whittle down the 80 contenders to 20. And they, their objective is make the most delicious food.

And you, and so they, it is, oh my, but it is also physical, like the physical 100 type thing where it's like people from all, all different walks of life that are bringing so many different like backgrounds and tips and ideas. And I, oh, I am going to talk about slurp, slurp, slurp, slurp, slurp, slurp, slurp, and I think that there are three episodes out now. And I think that there's three more dropping this week. There's so there's like, there's more episodes coming out that we can swallow as time goes on. And then they're going to be competing against like the big bads of cooking, like the cooking world. Wow.

Okay. And it's, but also it's that like, it's without the like fake drama. Yeah. The drama is the high standards that they are being held to. And like also, what does it mean to be delicious to somebody? Like everybody's different. I do miss watch. I used to watch Food Network so much.

And I don't know, I think just because my like pleasurable TV viewing has gone down, that's just not really a big part of my life anymore. But I really, really just find deep relaxation in watching people cook, which was one of the reasons I like Ina Garten. Yes. Because there's no, it's not like Bobby Flay's going to take your ethnicity and make it his. Right. Like I just, it's just a nice lady cooking. And it sounds like this is dramatic and not, probably not as relaxing. But it's celebrate, but it's celebrating the different forms of.

cooking. And like watching these big bad, they're literally like watching from above in this first like to whittle them all down. And they're just like watching like how they all are working and like giving them like talking about how they're making certain stuff. I'm just immediately like, tell me everything. I'm so in love with this. Awesome. Yeah. And I haven't done physical 100 or like I haven't done the, I haven't dipped my toe in the Korean reality world. that you guys have been living in for a while. So this will be where I start. Oh, man.

This is definitely where you should start. And I would say after this, you probably should dip into physical 100 just because I never thought that I would be interested in physical 100. Yeah. And I'm obsessed. Yeah. All right. Hell yeah.

I'm down. All right. Anything else before we sing the song? I guess we can just sing our song. Let's do it. I do want to say thank you also, though, to everybody who sent in recommendations this week, especially for Apple Plus stuff. I'm very excited.

I started watching Lute, which I'm already very, like, I'm going to continue watching Lute, and I do want to say, whenever we have space after we're done with Space Show, we're going to start watching Foundation on Apple Plus, which apparently also is a good place to journey to in the world of sci-fi after Space Show is done.

See, I need that slow horses, man. I need to get on that. So that's apparently fantastic. All right. Let's sing it. See you next week. We'll talk to you next week, everybody. We're talking TV with M.J.

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