Talkin' TV - Talkin' Books
00:10Talk to TV with MJ Holden and Jackie talking TV.And you know it's going to be wacky.Everybody knows and everybody knows.Everybody knows.We're talking shows.We're talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie.Or is it talking books?That's right.
00:35Because MJ and I have started reading other mothers.of the mothers.Yes, Holden told me that he bought an airport housewife murder mystery.And I said, like, very poignantly, purposely like, MJ and Jackie, like, I had you guys in my head.Like, oh, the hand icon.Oh, that's fun.MJ and Jackie had you guys in my head, you know, while I was, while I was a book perusing the many novels.And I was like, because I, by the way, the dude bro book offerings are so lame.
01:07it's like this military architect finds a, you know what I mean?Just read your James Patterson.Yeah, the James Patterson.I've tried the David Balladoo cheese.I've read some of them at the Harlan.And of course, the John Grisham.I went through a full blown John Grisham phase.I mean, the first adult book I read, I think I was in like fifth grade even or something,
01:29was the client because I was a big, you know, we were a big John Grisham housebecause daddy was a lawyer.And when dad, and I asked Daddy.for a Ninja TurtleDaddy said,okay,and he got me one.Wait,
01:42very,very happy.He's because youwere expressingan interest in the book,the client.No,I just,
01:47you know,I was just talking abouthow spoiled I wasas a kid,but I wasn't that spoiled,okay?I didn't have a fucking,you know what I mean,
01:53I had to go outand work in the yardon Saturdays sometimes,which is annoying.But anyways.That's hard for you.Yeah,do you want to really process that?
02:02Yeah,I'd like to verbally process it.Fuck.I know.really difficult.So you're both reading a book.We're both reading a book.Look at us.
02:11We haven't even talked about the book yet, but I love it.Are you so...I know Jackie doesn't read housewife murder mysteries.She reads Smut and she reads Housewife...Right.There's no smut to be had in this, too.It's like the opposite of smut.It's just a woman...
02:26It's not horny.A woman who is in a bad place financially in her life,struggling with her toddler son and ends upis a journalist who just so happens to be covering this, like,there's this murder of this 20-year-old girlbecause she was wild swimming in the ravine.She loves to go wild swimming, Jackie.And they found her...
02:49Here's what you need to know.It's just like big little lies, but a different story.Every one of these books is big little lies,but a different story.And it's all about the bad moms.And she ends up in this gaggle of, like, fancy moms.Like fancy moms.Yeah.
03:05And I know that fancy moms are real, but man, I read so many of these books, and I got to say, their contempt for mothers.Like, I know these are all written by women, but all of these books, the premise is, all of these moms are terrible.And I have been a mom in Brooklyn for six years now.And I've never encountered a single woman who is as bad as any of the moms, the evil murdering moms in these books.But whatever, let's write books about how bitchy the moms are.You know, it's that's what the people want.Yeah, it is what, and it is what I want. And I did resonate so far a decent amount with her,her struggles with her kid and, you know, and money and everything and kind of being in
03:45that place where you're like, yeah, so that's been fun. But it is just such a patron.Very short chapters. And yes, every night now I have carved out. Well, I'm also trying to,I'm trying to sleep better. I'm trying not to have that screen in my face all the way up untilsleepy time. You know, I'm proud of you for reading a physical book. I'm reading it onaudiobook because I'mI've lost the skillof reading physical books.So just the fact that
04:08you're reading a physical bookis very good.I think that's...For the ADHD impaired,for all,the fact that we all havethis tension disorder nowbecause of screens and scrolling,
04:18I will say this is a good oneto dip back intojust because the chaptersare all like two pages.Like they're all,it is really a book madefor you to read on an airplaneon a travel day or like,
04:32yeah, exactly.It's full of the mothers.While you guys are busy getting other-mothered,I think that I am really being impressedby a very different spectrum of parent right now,and that is via the movie Baby Girl.Oh, you've got to talk about your baby girl.I have to talk about Baby Girl,
04:53because Baby Girl is already,even though I saw it at the end of last year,it is already my movie of the year for this year.and I, to a point that I want to live baby girl 2025.And I think that's a little bit more of like, it's baby girl bitch, it's boss babybitch, baby girl, bitch.I am really feeling a lot of the spectrum of being a person right now.And why can't we on one aspect be an other mother?
05:27But then you can also be a baby girl.Is that a baby girl?I do love, by the way,and a baby girl.And a baby girl.I loved the Golden Globes joke from Nikki Glazer.She gave it two fingers up,which is very funny.
05:42And also thanked Keith Urban for sitting around,jamming on his guitar so much at homethat she's compelled to go out and make 20 movies a year.She is prolific.Man.My next thing is also a Nicole Kidman vehicle.I want to talk about this,another housewife murder mystery,
05:58The Perfect Couple,which is a book that is now a Netflix show,also starring Nicole Kidman. How does she have the time? She's everywhere. Before we get to that, Jackie, how did you, did you have a love lies bleeding? Did you masturbate yourself to sleep drinking fireball in the theater?I can't believe I didn't. So here's the thing. Let me set this like scenario for you, right? Kara Clank, who is my co-host over on who's the bitch? We both were talking about dragging our husbands to go see baby girl. Even though let's be real. I don't think any of the husbands are technically.being dragged to go see this movie.Right, I want to go.And no, that was the thing.They both did want to go.
06:36And we're like, wouldn't it be funnyif the four of us went together?This is, I need you to know,the second double date the four of ushave ever been on.And it is extremely swing baiting behavior.It's by another couple to bait.We came out the gate, though,
06:51being like, hey, I knowthis seems like we're trying to fuck all y'all.And we're not, although, you know,we're not saying it's a never.It's just our, that's,That's not what we're currently trying to do.So they were there.So they were there.
07:05I know that you two, I know that you two did the smart move and you two sat next to each other with them on the outside, but I really, really wish you had made them sit next to each other and you guys were booking.Because here's the thing, baby girl is not only sexy as fuck.It's also very well made.And the soundtrack, the needle drops are fucking fire.There is a moment in the movie, and I know we already discussed this over on Jackin, that I realized what song was playing.And I was like, are they really playing this song right now?And I laughed and I smiled.And the entire theater was like, yeah, get it, girl.
07:46Get it, bitch.Like, it was amazing.I had an amazing experience watching Baby Girl.There are so many reviews.The bad reviews are people being like, harumph, harumph.Oh, it is just erotic.Yeah, they really sounds likethere's such fuddy-duddies
08:03Not liking this movie.Like, then don't go see it.The trailer is not pretendingto be anything else.But also, what's wrong with thegenre of erotic cinema? What are you fucking12? Like, that'sa thing that's existed forever.
08:19Like, what do you mean? And it's not, you know,and it sounds like it's done in an extra, exactly,an extremely like, well-done way,you know? And for those of you,and I completely understand who,hate 50 Shades and are against the idea of what they say about the kink community through and likethe destructive ideology they put out about kink from 50 Shades of Gray that i did not feel fromthis movie like i didn't feel like oh he's this secret like know everything dumb didn't you know it's like
08:51no there's questions in it it's more there's more conversation about it right also manEdmund is 57 years old.And I've never, and I could never look like the way she looked.Like, I can't believe it.I know.But is there a point where you're like-It's a team of people that help her become what she is.I know that.
09:18Do they have to kind of pull, does at one point see kind of like pull the cobwebs away fromlike her pussy or whatever?And is it green?No, but that's the thing is that there are no cobwebs on her pussy.Like that's what I think is so interesting about the conversation about this movie is that she's technically in a loving, wonderful relationship.And she was asking for something that she just wasn't being given.So it is, I, you know, I know it was a japerie Holden, but I love baby girl so much, all right?I can't wait to see it.
09:48I can't wait to see it.I can't wait to have an erotic evening with my wife upon swathing it.I do think it would actually be kind of a fun thrill ride to see it in the theater.with a bunch of people just because like how just yeah exactly I've heard story tell that it is aninteresting movie theater experience but I think it'll be a great one to watch at home on on a datenight that we're sex is on the menu oh hell yes oh yeah oh man I was real happy honestly we didreal good and it's like we got to banging out before so we don't look like weird creepswell what like right yeah I get in all just totally yeah also props to Nicole Kippen because not only
10:27is she prolific. Everything she's making right now is also about how sexy she is.Because also in The Perfect Couple, which is a-Tell us about the perfect couple.Thank you. I'm chomping at the bit. It is a Netflix series. I don't even know how many episodes.It's like a, it's not a mini-series, but it's also maybe not a whole whatever. I think I'm on episode six.And it is based on a book called The Perfect Couple that is very much in the style of the other mother.the mother.We're saying it like we're from Queens,
10:59but it is a British book.I know,but I want it so bad to be,I was saying before,I wanted it,I wish it was set in the South.Yeah.And yeah,
11:07it was like that kind of vibe.It's like a stodgy,British rich mom thing.They're British.They're the mothers.But perfect couple.Yeah, yeah.Perfect couple set in Antucket.
11:19And if there's one thing I love morethan a housewife murder mystery,it is a housewife murder mystery set at the beach.And this is about some rich biotch Nicole Kidman and her rich husband, Leave Shriver.Well, and I actually need to bring up the cast list because it is a magnificent cast list.And so, but basically it's a murder mystery, a hot lady gets killed.And it's that Nicole Kimman is like a big rich lady and what hot person did it.Oh, she's frozen to the touch.
11:59Okay, so now I need to tell you the cast.She's usually not my kind of like kind of lick.That's not usually like Nicole Kidman in general.But with all of this and everything that we've been watching and me being so saturated in her, I'm like, I'm obsessed.Yeah.I bow down to her.Yeah, yeah.That's the thing.
12:19I didn't ever, like, my erotic awakening of Nicole Kinney.has come in the last like two years,which is saying something.I guess since Big Little Lies.But it's just a great,besides Leif Shriver and Nicole Kidman,the guy from Midsomar is there,Jack Raynor.
12:37I kept trying to place him.I was like,what are you from?And just it's,it's,the guy who plays Benji,who's one of the characters,is from,
12:49he's not really from anything that he's from a bunch of British things.Billy Howie?He looks,Billy Howie.He looks like Joe Alwyn.And for a minute, I was like, Joe Alwyn, is that you?British actor?But it's a different little blonde British actor who looks a lot like him.
13:05Dakota Fanning is there.It's a great.It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it is in the Netflix version of the book that Holden and I are reading, almost literally different book, but the same, if you read one, you've read them all.And, because I have read them all.And I, if you would like a, you know, just watch and.enjoy. Do you guys see?There was a really sadquote from a Netflix exec that leaked
13:30a week or two agoabout how they're trying to make content thatyou can have on and notpay attention to. I saw.It was so sad. No, no, no. Or also thathey, can you have the actorssay what they're doing every now and againfor the people who are
13:46like in the other room cleaningwhile the shows? Watch the real housewives.That is made to have on in the background.And also, I always makejoke of, oh, the first thing you want to do in a screenplay is have the actor walk in the room and say exactly who they are and exactly what they're doing.That's the first line.It ends with us.It's like, I started watching it and then I stopped because one of the first lines is like, well, it's time to get ready for my birthday party.
14:11And it's like so.It is so fun.Or like, I got those flowers for your birthday party.Right, right, right.And it is so bad.Jesus writing.Yeah, that's like, hey, can you write worse than.and you should for idiots who can't sit and just watch a show.
14:28But it made me think of talking TV because we do recommend things here sometimes that are like,if you want to throw it on and not pay attention.But again, we don't need to make stuff like that.That's already being made.It's the real housewives.It's the reality show.But like this is more of a I don't want to think super hard, but I do want to have a littlemurder mystery.
14:46And so that's perfect.I get that.In every conflict, there's at least one bitch.A huge bitch, a silly bitch.A little baby bitch, a raggedy bitch.But sometimes it's unclear who the bitch is.I'm Kara Klank.And I'm Jackie Zabrowski.
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16:11And now I, MJ, I don't mean to call you out, but did you ever get around to watching FindingMr. Christmas?You know, I, at the time, I was, I was catching up on the other Christmas things I needed towatch and I did not watch Finding Mr. Christmas.And I apologize because you texted me about it several times and I, I know that that means youwanted me to watch it. But, well, also, you're just my sounding board sometimes because then I justwanted to talk about finding Mr. Christmas. Yeah. No platform on which to talk about finding Mr.Christmas because we were dark for the holidays. But I was just sitting there by myself watching
16:46finding Mr. Christmas, wanting so desperately to talk about watching finding Mr. Christmas.Also, because I need you to know, I was watching this in the middle of like a very high fever.So I watched this, like I knocked it out in between fever sleeps.Uh-huh.Yeah.That's...So it feels like a weird dream that happened to me.And it's one of those things that like, I think after December 25th, you're not really
17:14going to want to watch.It's like how you want to take down the decorations.You're not really going to watch finding Mr. Christmas after December 25th.Yeah, yeah.No, but I need everyone because I, at least I don't have to.At least I don't have to try and get you to watch it because thank Christ.It has already been picked up for a second season.I am obsessed with this reality show finding Mr. Christmas over on Hallmark Plus.
17:41And it is a Hallmark reality show where they get a bunch of hunks to compete with Christmas tasksto become the next Hallmark Christmas movie leading men.It's great.It is so good.They are hymboes to the stream.It is, but it's also so fascinating because I keep using this as an example, but it really is a perfect example.There's also challenges.Okay, yeah, there's dumb shit like, how do you wrap up these weird shaped things and make it look good?
18:20You know, it's like there's stuff like that.But then there's things like, okay, if you're a Christmas hallmark,movie leading man, you need to be able to do a scene, learn it really fast, do it on ice skates,and hit all your marks.That's great.And is their kiss?Do they make them do kisses?And they make them do kisses.
18:40They make them try to make hallmark movie magic moments, which is very difficult to do.Okay.This is bringing up one of the other things that had me a little bit hesitating to watch it,which is I've grieved about this before when we've watched the Netflix.imitations of Hallmark Christmas moviesis that I think one of the joysof a Hallmark Christmas movieused to be was its lack of self-awareness
19:05and now that it has become a thingand every Netflix holiday movieis trying to be like a Hallmark Christmas moviethe idea of being likelet's make a schlucky thing about all the things we doit's how you say onioning itselfit's how you say onion in the same timeI feel that way about Disney
19:22but then you go to Disneyand they all take it very seriouslyAnd they actually take it very seriously in the reality show.Okay.All right.For instance, there's reference.There is a set up.And this is my favorite thing.
19:38Outside of, let's say, that ice skating thing, they set up an instance where a woman outsideof the scene falls on the ice.And they're waiting to see if he goes up to stop the scene and goes to help the woman up.That's amazing.If he has what it takes to be the charming hallmark leading man and all of them except one do it.Wow.Wow.So it's like I, dude, I am telling you, it is genuinely a good show.
20:11Is it?You slurp it the fuck up.It is eight 40 minute episodes.Okay.Does it moisten the loins?Oh, yeah, man.Yeah, there's a whole photo shoot where they're like, they're like, now take out.off your shirt. And they're like, and then a special guest. And then it's just big shirtless dudes and
20:30the special guests are puppies. And they bring in the puppies to like do sexy photo shoots withthem and the puppies. Like, yeah, it's loyne. It's loyneally charged even though I was in a feverdream while I watched it. And it's so good that we should watch it even though we're in January.Well, or if anything, put it definitely on your list for next year because the next season.is going to come out so you should watch it over Thanksgiving and then get ready for the nextseason. Okay. That's what, honestly, what I learned about Christmas this year is that I need tostart preparing for it in fucking October because I started earlier than ever this year and I wasstill behind. So this year, this 2025 resolution, I'm going to start preparing for Christmas in
21:13October, just like Mariah. So I will put it on the queue. I mean, yeah, I went through the,I went through yet again the North Carolina, Florida gauntlet, uh, Christmas visit. I am desperate.really trying to convince Lexi did not make us do it next year.She seems to be on board.So, and I'm even, I'm even throwing down the, the, the, the, the, throwing down the conceptof what if we stay home and relax on Christmas week and take and enjoy a break and justget in our jammies and watch things and, and eat little things and, and open the gifts.And it said, like, we open our gifts.
21:54on the third.I opened my like birthdayand myon my actual birthdayall I got was a secret Santaand it was a $30 gift cart.Yeah, that's sad.Which is nice.
22:11Isn't it better than David Chosh?They don't want.And it was very importantbecause there was more touching,sad things happening with the familyon Lexi's side this yearthat we needed to focus on on that day.but they weren't focused on you for your birthday.
22:27That's fine.But it always feels like that.I feel like weirdly hollow and sad on my birthday.And even more so.And I'm so sick of it.And I just want to fucking maybe be here and like even if it's just with Lexi,go out to fucking dinner and not be around family and not do any of that stuff.So that's the thing I was trying to think about the TV I watched.
22:48There was a little bit of stuff.But a lot, I'm like, wait, it was football and westerns.with her dad.Let's see.What else?I did enjoy challengers,though,in the airplane.
23:01And that was my horny time.Ooh,horny on the airplane.Well,I started on the airplaneand luckily I didn't get to the good stuffuntil I got home from my trip.And then I got in a bed
23:10with some IPAs and a joint.And I finished challengers in bed,like after a long trip.Because I got here a few days ahead of Lexi and Winnie.Oh, yeah.that's how Challenger's is meant to be enjoyed.Oh, yeah, I got so hard.So hard.
23:33I mean, Zendaya is good as an ice thing.She's so good at it.She's so commanding in it.She's such a good.You know, I've seen her in great stuff.Obviously, she blew me away as Rue in, um, what's that dumb ass?And, I'm a freak.Yeah.
23:48Euphoria.And, uh, you know, I've enjoyed her in other stuff, but it's, she can be very kind of,She ends up in a lot of times in these roleswhere she's just very like stern and kind of,I feel like she was really able to flexsome really strong acting muscles in the challengersbecause, of course, the age jumpsas well as just her whole character's fascinating.
24:09It's just, you know.But yeah, she gets those boys to kiss.It was very fun.I mean, one of my favorite movies from back in the dayis Itumama Tambien.I love that kind of.Oh, yeah.Yeah, I peruse that movie.
24:23couple of times i had it on DVD i had it on DVD actually oh yeah i had it on i would go back andforth on the tape i assume that was back when i had one of the uh TVs with the tape deckinside of the tv so yeah vhs of e2 mama tembien and nobody question why it was very young but i will sayi will say real quick i've got i think i need to go down the lane of um western musicals it'ssuch a weird lane that existed back of the day where they were like,mad movies,but then every now they'd say about me.I'm down with that.
25:03Yeah.Men of a certain generation,they still love a Western.And that's,they really do.Better that than Fox News.I'll tell you that much.Yeah.
25:13You kept it to football and that.Yeah,but on a Western musical.Although I will say,I feel like Conclave was a big hit with a lot of,family over the holiday because I feel like that was a good movie.It's like an Oscar-y movie, but there's none fucking in it because I was going to say.No, I was going to be in it.
25:33No, it's all priests being caddy priests.But it's like Stanley Tucci, John Lithgow and Ray Fines like acting their asses off ascatty priests.And I feel like that was like if I had been home for Christmas, I definitely would have watchedthat movie with my mom.Oh my God.It's a very good watching with your parent movie.Jackie, thank you so much.
25:57Speaking of Ray Fines for posting that amazing, so demure.Oh, my God.Video clip from New Year's Eve.I was like, damn, I guess I should have watched this year.I kind of avoided New Year's altogether because the day I flew back,I got in at like 9 p.m. LA time, which is midnight, my time,because I was coming from the East Coast on New Year's Eve,which I think is why the flight was so cheap.
26:22you know. So I got into bed and just watched Challenges. I paused the movie at one point to listento the adjacent apartment that had people over do the countdown. Oh, that's cute. I just like heardthem do it. And then I was like, all right, cool. You're alone in bed with beer and a joint.And you're hearing you're in the next room having a party. It was the least sad moment of thattrip. I was thrilled to be alone in bed with a joint and a beer. Yeah. No, I'm here to scream abouttrying to watch New Year's Rockin' Fucking Eve.Tell us.Because, so Jeff and I decided to have sexy New Year's Eve at home together, and we did.
27:03And so around 1130, we're like, oh, we should like put on one of the things.And then we started hunting.Now, this is again, 1130 Pacific Standard Time.And I wasn't thinking because I don't know if I've been home and have tried to watch the ball drop specifically.we, if you don't pay for Hulu Live,which is one of the only ones I refuse.It's so expensive.It's so expensive.
27:28It's so expensive.You may as well have cable.Yeah.You may as well.Like, I'm not paying for Hulu Live.So you could pay for Hulu Live because that's where it was going to be playing,but it wasn't playing for the L.A. time period.And you could watch it.
27:45It was available on Hulu the next day.What?It wasn't available the night of after it had already shown.So we were looking everywhere for it.And then we're like, okay, well, we'll watch the Anderson Cooper.We'll watch the Andy Cohen one.But then CNN, if we downloaded the CNN app, if you don't pay for cable, we had to sign in.And they would only give us seven minutes of streaming time.
28:15So we watched seven minutes of that.And then we put on some whatever fake one and we were making such jokes about how shitty the Las Vegas, whatever was happening in Las Vegas because it was showing absolutely nothing.Literally just people drunk in the streets of Las Vegas.See, I think I like that better.We heard the fireworks outside and we were laughing so hard that we're like, I guess it's the new year.like we joked throughlike us not being ableto find it into the new year.
28:48So I guess it's going to be a good one guys.Couldn't findany kind of count down herein Los Angeles.I love that you're saying that.All right.Now I'm starting a little worried guysbecause we just,
28:58for the be a little,no,we justtried to record Pate 7 properduring a crazyspontaneous windstorm in L.A.,which I don't even think,but we're all joking about
29:08we never even hearda such thing before this.And the powerI'm going out. So page seven is the craziestlike Frankenstein of an episode.And now you're sitting here telling me that. And I also had a notNew Year's Eve. MJ.Are you telling me it's still 2024?
29:24Don't know. Or something's evil is a miss.Oh no. It's grown on day.Please tell me you had some kind ofreasonable New Year's Eve experience because neither of ushas apparently. Yeah. Well, myfirst thought was that I know thisthe point, I'm at the stage of my life where if I was in L.A.and I could watch the countdown at 8.30 p.m.
29:47like that would be perfect.Oh, yeah.You know, like that would have been.I had no problem whatsoever.New Year's Eve is becoming like the St. Patty's Day of holidays for me.Like, I have no, not a care in the world that I had to fly in on New Year's Eve and go home.Don't need to miss it.But we had a good time.
30:05We went to a kid party.I mean, it was a.Cool.It was a.That wasn't a kidding.You didn't tell.Were they all playing with dumb toys and acting like they're at the grocery store?No, no.
30:20It was a good party.It was also the last night of Hanukkah.This holiday season was wild because it was Christmas.And Hanukkah started on Christmas night.That was the first night.And then the last night was New Year's Eve, which was just wild.So we went to a last night of Hanukkah, New Year's Eve party that was at one of the kids' friends' houses.but it's like we also like the adults there
30:42and there's good adults there.So it was,and one of the things that has been funabout being a parent for so long nowand having the kids age into like having friendsis like it is like now we sometimes go to partieswhere like there's parents.They're not my friends that I have been friends with
30:59for 15 years,but like it's a party where I look forwardto seeing the people there just like I do it a normal party.Yeah.And my kids look forward to seeing kids there.They're friends.Yeah.That was very, very fun.
31:09And also my kids are old.enough now that we go to a party and they like run off and play at the party, which is awesome. God, that's great. And you're just like,yeah. Yes, exactly. And this is like, we went to the same party last year and they make, this family makes really good lot because they got the salmon row and everything. So it's like a good. Yes. Yes. And they do a kid countdown at 8 p.m. The kids all get to do a big countdown and explode their things. And then we got to drink champagne. And then we were home by like 845, you know, but it was, but it was great. It was great. You sound like you had a wonderful talk.I did.Good.You did it good.All right.Somebody had a New Year to you.
31:45Yeah, it was a nice, like, yes, I'm a parent, but I can still have fun.God damn it.I can still have fun.Yes, exactly.Well, I don't know if you would have fun or maybe you would have fun, but I don't know if Gideon would have fun if you guys went out on a date night to go see Nos Verato.If we're going on a date night, we are going to baby girl.I'm going to tell you that right now.Oh, you damn.
32:08I mean, because there's a reason why it took me.why I brought up baby girl before I brought upNasverato.And I knew how excited you were to see Nasferatu.Every time we see the commercial up until I talked to you at Jack and I keptbeing like, Jackie is going to go see Nasferatu on Christmas.And then when I spoke to you,we're too excited to talk about Nospiratu because you were too excited to talk about
32:32baby girl instead.I needed to talk about baby girl instead because baby girl is because I saw Christmasday we saw Nospherato.And then the next day we saw baby girl.Oh, okay.Girl so superseded, even though really enjoyed Nuzvarado.There are definitely some choices that were interesting.But I will also say everybody did a great fucking job.
32:56And I did enjoy the soundtrack as unbelievable.And despite some of the interesting choices, I still had a delightful time and was shocked,which you said earlier, Holden, that like, you're so right that Lily.Rose Depp, I was like, oh, hell yeah, great.She's a freak, yeah.Yeah.Yeah.Okay, hell.
33:17But also in the movie, she's a freak, yeah.Yeah.And she's great at it.It's like an acting exercise.Take the same.Yeah.And use it with different attention.Yeah.
33:28Yeah.Oh, yeah.No, and she's definitely a freak.Yeah.Nicholas Holt is awesome in it.And Willem Defoe is Willem Defoe in about the town.But this is also, I, I feel like we're about to go on a much biggerjourney because we also watched
33:42then the next day we watched Shadowof a Vampire as welland Jeff was like we should watchthe Nasferatu Werner Herzogand I was like let'swaituntil we watch that we just did Shadowof a Vampire and we can wait
33:58for just a moment but I will sayShadow of Vampire alsovery difficult to findfor some reasonwe paid for somerentersrenters version of it,which I'm sorry, what am I a Taylor Swiftie?
34:14It's a renter's version, but it was definitelylike a... It's your renter's era.Yeah.Renters' version. And it was likedefinitely a knockoff offsome DVDfrom a while ago. Sobe careful when
34:30renting out Shadow of a Vampire.This is, hear my cries.Yeah, we'll do.Good to know. Had zero intentionwhatsoever ofwatching that.Just in casenot going to
34:43want it to goon your journey.I'm annoyed toobecauseAnora,right?That's thethat movie
34:50I've been wantingto watch really badand it's,it was,I almost paid.It was discountedat $17Christmas.
34:59No,no,it was maybe the next nightbecause I wastrying to enjoysome filmicexperiences inmy lonesome
35:04with a jointin bed andcouldn't bring myselfto itand I'm just so annoyedit's just likedude, just let it be.I just don't, don't even put it on sale to buy for $20.
35:14Like, what are you?What is that?What does they even mean?Just tell, just when it's available for a reasonable renting price, let me know.But it's like, who is buying?I think I maybe done that once just because like we just, I think I even had to do it.I think it was like to watch it for like a whizbre thing or something.But it was like, just who is buying a movie for $20 that they don't actually.
35:38actually get any, do I not just go to the fucking store and purchase it at that point on DVD?I don't think you could even do that anymore. I paid $20 to rent Elephantini and thejungalini back in the day. Yeah, it was a huge mistake. And he was like, are you serious? And I waslike, I want to see it. Um, House of Gucci. But when you, when you buy movies like that,because I remember I had already seen, um, Midsomor in the movie theater. So when it came out available tobuy, I just immediately bought it on the, on the Apple TV, but then you also get like the theatricalversions and you get all the extras that you would get on a DVD.Yeah.
36:18Have it on your Apple TV instead.Maybe then I'll check out owning stuff on Apple, but yeah.Yeah.Usually it just gives you the movie and then you're like, why am I bad?Why would I pay $20 for that?I have a question for anyone that is, now I think it makes sense that I'm not hearinganything about this because I was likeoh Squid Game season two
36:41is out I had no ideaand then I started watching itIt's badI meant to watch it for this exact episodeAnd I think I ended up reading other modelsI feel like I need someoneWho has continued onTo be like yeah I guess you should continue
36:59Because as of right nowI watched the first two episodes and I was likeI don't this is justThe same II don't want to watch this.I didn't care that, but like...Well, wait, are they playing the Squid Games, at least?Essentially, what it is, is that, like, I guess, spoiler alert.
37:18I don't give me shit about spoilers.Yeah, yeah.Only the first two episodes.So, like, whoever, you know, it's like the person,that, like, the people that survived from the first oneare now trying to take down the system.And so at the end of the second episode,he's like, put me back in the game.
37:37And it was like, okay, I just...Right, I remember that.I don't care.Yeah.My kids are friends with a third, my kids are in kindergarten in first grade and they're friendswith a third grader and right before Christmas break, they were talking about what theylike to watch in the third grader was like, I like to watch this show called Catch Teeny Ping,which is a very cute little like Korean anime show.
37:58And my kids also watch it sometimes.And so they were like so excited and they watched a bunch of it over break.And then they saw their friend and they were like, we watched all of Catchetit Ping.What else do you like to watch on Netflixand the kid was like squid games?And I was like, what?Whoa, whoa.That embodies what, like, third graders
38:15are like half little kid, half big kid.Yeah, yeah.And I was like, do not recommend a squid game.Yeah, we're not watching squid game.Catch TD ping, very age appropriate recommendation.We're not doing squid game.It teaches valuable lessons about class dynamics, though.I know.
38:29Well, maybe when they're in third grade,they can watch it.But you know, it seems like maybe.Start with parasite and then go to squid games.start with parasite.Yeah, yeah.Yeah, so you just feel likeit's just too much of the same,
38:42and that's what's not working for you?Yeah, and I just, I guess I don't knowwhat I expected, but I guess Ididn't expect really a second season.Yeah, it definitely didn't need a second season.It's perfect for Netflix in that sense.It did not need a second season.They should have just had one really good season
39:00and let it go, and it should have just been like a mini-series.And the reality show where they actually didthe Squid game, like,reality competition. And actually ended up being surprisingly really fun to watch. And now it's true.It's like, uh, what can they really do here? But I guess I'd rather them continue to play squidgames than for it to be like a mocking J deal where it's like, now we fight the war. And it's just like,well, it's not why it was cool about this. The squid game thing was cool. But if it's just not,um, I guess if it's too much. Yeah, I don't know that almost tells me on a little bit there because I want to see what,
39:35Because is it really the same games?I don't know.I stopped after the second episode.I was like,well,did they do the same first gamewith like running across the...He hasn't entered the games yet
39:46is the first two episodes.Oh, okay.That's what I'm saying.It took until the end of the second episodefor him to be like,put me back in the games.It was like,oh, I thought you were saying that happened
39:56at the end of season one.I'm sorry, I misheard you.That sucks.Yeah, so it was two hours deepand I'm like, all right.Okay.Two hours in.I mean, maybe watch a squid game before you, you know.
40:11I don't know.But yeah, I thought he was already going back into the game at the end of season one.That's kind of what I remembered was that he was going to go back into the game.It's like, maybe not.But then like, you know that, you know, it's like he had to like figure out how to get back into the game.So that's what he had to figure out.So that's what they're figuring out in the first two.And it's like, I feel like it's also like, oh yeah, you guys like violence?
40:33We're some violence.I know it's like now we're just being pandered to and that's fine.I know that's a lot of what the interesting things are.But like,the interesting thing about the first season,let's talk about it,was the fact that it was like this unique novel conceptof poor people being forced to like go into this reality show
40:55to try to get money and everyone has the reason for it.And then everything they throw at you is novel and interesting.The costumes that the guards wear,the weird stairwell,hallway thing, the giant money thing and the top, you know what I mean? And then each game happening,one after the other as they try to like figure out how to like potentially break out of this thingor form alliances and stuff like that. Um, that's just what, yeah, I don't know what you do hereto make it be like. And then there's more. I'm almost starting to become, I'm like, fine. If this is our
41:28streaming dystopian future, just give us miniseries and just stop trying to do seasons.Because what's the point? Like, it's, it's just,gonna die off in it like there's never going to be aor just make good concise stories because honestlyyeah just make good concise stories a friend of mine told me to start watchingwhich every everything about this show I was like why would you ever tell me to watchthis show but it is called Star Wars skeleton crew oh the kids and Gideon are watching ittogether dude okay because it is actually good show and it is Star Wars both things
42:04For me, not usually my fucking bad.Yeah.It is delightful.The kids are obsessed.Wonderful.Jude Law is amazing in it.The kids are all great in it.It has nothing to do.
42:19It just happens to be set in the world.It's just in the universe.Yes.And it is, I, like, Jeff was like, you want to just watch an episode of it?And I was like, all right, I guess put on an episode of it.And so I'm like,sitting on my phone being like, I'm not gonna, okay, I'm not gonna, and then got immediatelysucked into it.
42:39Cool.Yeah.I heard it wasn't doing that well.Actually, like in terms of popularity or whatever, but that's cool.Oh, really?Yeah.Just that, well, I think people are just experiencing fucking Star Wars fatigue.As someone that doesn't give a shit about a Star War and usually doesn't watch any of a Star
42:59war, this is, it's surprisingly like if you have a Star War person in your life,This is not one that you're going to want to be like, why Star War, why?While you watch it.Well, after that, do Andor, because Andor is my favorite Star War option.Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.So good.Because it always loses me.And obviously, skeleton crew is all a bunch of children, so it is not sexy.
43:25But when it's all the adults, I'm like, but they're all so space sexy.How are they not banging?It's not a more day franchise.Or it'll be like, or the Star Wars person next.She was like, ooh, it's Lukey, look who.That he was in the, in the Commonwealth.And you're just like, okay, I just, it's, they're just giving you candy and you're a baby.And it's so dumb.
43:50But, yeah.It's interesting hearing you talk about the seat, like, how so much of the new shows being created are not really meant to build season upon season.because we are plowing through only murders in the building.And it's so good in every way.It looks beautiful.It's cast beautifully.It's written just exceptionally.But as I'm watching it,
44:12I keep being struck by how it feels like a throwback in a way.Like it feel,even though it is like one of the most popular shows on television right now,I watch it and I like have the urge to be like,they don't make TV like this anymore,even though they are literally making TV like this right now.But it's like, yeah.It's just such, it's so comforting, I feel like,
44:29to be like this, the premise,this is a show that is abouthaving it be well written,well cast,well shot,and having a premise that you can revisitfrom season to season.And we're on season three right now.
44:43And I'm like,how is it just keeps getting better and better?And it is,maybe I'm enjoying it so muchbecause it reminds me of like,you know,the days of like a,when we had like 30 rocks and parks and wreck.
44:55And all these shows were introducingthese worlds that were so wonderfulto come back.to season after season.And that's not like now.It's just like what talking TV is like this, this new thing, this new thing, this new thing, this new thing.And, you know, will I revisit it or not?And or this rehash thing, this rebooted thing, this rebooted thing.
45:14And there's just something that's that is so lovely about only murders because it's just like, this is just a very well done.Well executed.I keep complaining about this.But this is the thing I don't get that they don't understand that we, we as here.humans,at least speak for Americans.Most of us live in cycles.We've got like the summer.
45:37Kids are off for the summer.You've got the holidays.And then there's like kind of a reset at the end of the summer.We're like where,you know,and we were used to a summer of like reruns.And then every like,yes,
45:50it's a grind to go back to school.And it's a grind to kind of get into the colder months and stuff.But there was like a new season of something.But you had that new,that.a slate of that's so true yeah it was on the it was on a rhythm it was there we were on a rhythm yeahand it got us used to it severance i think i'm gonna boycott watching the next season of severancebecause fuck this shit like no you you don't just like take two years off from a show and then
46:22expect us all to come back you have to have like a cycle and a rhythm to this sort of thing andthat the streamers disrespect that and it pisses me off. And yet the only thing that theyfigured it out on is all the dumb reality shows. Can you apply that to the other stuff? Like,it seems like I blink and there's another love is blind or it seems like that's on a veryregular cycle, you know? And if it's that the budgets need to be lower, I'm fine with thatbecause it forces them to come up with like creative ways to tell stories with, you know,with the budget that they have. I don't know what it is, but, you know,yeah, it just seems, it's just so frustrating. It's like, dude, we want to be able to be like, oh, right.
47:05It's, it's, hey, it's August. That means we're going to get exactly the new season of 30 Rock,the new season of Seinfeld, the new season of dumbass Grey's Anatomy that sucks. The new season of,you know, suck boy seven or whatever, you know. Yeah, hell yeah. And it's just like, you know,it's just annoying to me to be like,hey, here's this really compelling thingthat you need to remember the details ofin order to like continue to enjoy it.You know?
47:38Yellow, I'm like, anything that sounds like a yellowjacketsor a squid game or anything like that,I might just stop even trying anymorebecause it's like, okay, fine,you give us this great season one.Then you go bye.and then like it never is as good season twoand you make us wait forever for it
47:59and then I'm always disappointed.I know I'm broken record at this point talking about thisbut I just the more and more I realize itI'm like what is this is broken?This is a broken system.Again, I remember recording page 7 in 2019at the Greenpoint space and you being likeI feel like this like subscription service
48:17streaming show bubble has to burst at some pointand I feel like here we are 2025 and likedo you know,about it.And writers and actorsaren't getting paid.They're not getting residual.The whole system
48:29is fucked by this.But it's not,but it's not,everybody's sayingthere's like no workfor anybody.Yeah.And they essentially created a system.
48:36I was also,oh yeah,I was bitched about this tooon stream yesterday.And I wanted to bring this up herebecause I was watching like Instagramand I know this is like this on TikTok too.TikTok too.
48:48Instagram keeps trying to feed methese like extremely lameand corny like,trying to look like they're authentically happening,but are clearly like scripted,but non-verbal sequences of like,a guy's with a girl,and then he sees another girl,
49:04and then she gets mad,and then he does something creative in that situation.You know what I mean?And I realized I was watching it.I was like,because I hate it so much every time I see it,you know?And I'm just like,
49:16we've returned to the fucking silent film era.Like,TikTok has put us back and reels,and all the shit has put us back in likethe shitty, like, silent film erawhere everything's...I don't say that about the silent film era.No, no, no, but like everything's...
49:31But I'm talking about like,everything's like clowny and like...Shots fired.I'll say it's like we were sent back.You know what you mean?It's like we've gone back in time with the shit.Except without the skill, care and quality.Yeah, without the skill of care quality.
49:45I mean, don't get me wrong.I think the TikTok, I'm not anti.But it's like clowny shit.There's a convergence of things.It's the lack of things.It's the lack of...It's the same thing.You know, all these creators have talked about like getting a really good season of something made,
49:58but then nobody watches it because there's a glut.There's like so many high quality shows being made and then they disappear, you know, because there's a glut.It's so hacky.It's so hacky and lame.And I guess people eat it up because it's getting recommended to me, you know.And it's every time I see it, I'm like, God, this is just so bottom of the barrel, like, useless.Like there's just, it's just like, oh, like they always, they do.It's like so.
50:22I think the part that piss me off is like it tries to make it look like it's actually happeningwhen it's clearly a pre-planned like on the street bit that these act these quote-unquote actors areperforming. And it's just so brain dead and stupid. And, um, you know, I, it's, it's, it's annoying.Like, like, when we were talking about TikTok is up here, we've got points of like, well,TikTok's good for this and that. And I'm like, sure, but I hate what it's done to comedy to, to,you know, performance to entertainment, you know.I think for educationally, it has weirdly been effective.Although the problem is that now nobody reads anymore.
51:03So they're used to eat.That's the thing.Nobody reads or listens.So they're not even listening to dialogue.So they're just doing this clowny dumb shit that's like so like, like we were justtalking about with Netflix being like, I am in the kitchen and I am making biscuitsfor the party.Like it's that.
51:19It's like very telegraphed because they're not listening to it.it and they're scrolling really fast.So it has to be like really like very brain dead and purposely idiotic.People don't even read like when I was, you know, there used to be people who used to getpaid to write on the internet because people read things.And now it's all pivot to video and now people only watch videos.And that means all of those writers don't have jobs anymore.But not only, yeah.
51:44It is different to engage in the text, you know.They don't even watch videos with the sound on.So, you know, I mean, it's just.So, like, how do we communicate the most basic shit because they're going to be scrolling really fast?So it has to be extremely like, he looked at her butt and she went, ugh.And then he got a flower from a dog.And then she went, whoa.Like, it's like the dumbest fucking, like, I'm looking at a, my, uh, three, you know, my daughter's picture book.
52:14It's like spot.It's like fine spot is like the equivalent to the kind of, uh, comedy we get on.comedy bits we get on reels andTikTok and stuff, you know?And then the other side of that is shit-ass crowdwork.Where are you from?What do you do?Fireman, oh, firemen, huh?
52:33Which they say so they get a little bit extra timeto think of their dumb response.We read books now.This is why the talk of TV.Other mothers.The height of man.But that's my problem too.I'm like, but I can't even read a book.
52:46I'm not reading James Joyce.I can only read a book that has two-page chapters.That's fine.We'll build it up.Build up our attention span.We're building it back up.How about that?Reading's reading.
52:55What does it matter what the topic is?A reads or read.Build up our attention span 2025.Read a book.Everyone gets the other mothers.Read it with us.And I'm deleting these fucking brain dead apps, dude.And these propaganda machines in 2025.
53:10That's what I've,that wool has finally gotten off my eyes.You read it is the same too.They're all propaganda machines.They're all trying to get used.So I'm glad they helped you realize that you were autistic.but they're also feeding you fucking, you know,maga shit or like conspiracy shit or whatever the fuck it is
53:29that they're trying to get you to do so that you will buy X, Y, Z.This Holden's Andy Rooney, Corny.Remember Andy Rooney at the end of 60 minutes?Why didn't everybody, nobody has typewriters anymore, you know?I know.This is my like totally boomery thing.But, you're right.But yeah, it's like driving me nuts, man.
53:46I just, yeah, I want us to get back to, which also it's like, fine.Let's adapt to this new thing.just stop trying to give us a season two.Squid Games never should have had a season two.It probably technically should have even had a reality showbecause there's a lot of dark implications to that,you know, what it's based on.We watch it and we enjoy it.
54:03But yeah, stop doing a season two.I would rather you give me 10 episodes,like a big little lies or whateverthat is just like a complete story.Yeah.It just is done.And then give me another thing from the same.Because I even feel like I'm like Wednesday.
54:19What are they going to do with Wednesday now?That's really going to be.like a good season two.By the way, all I remember about Wednesdaywas that it's likewicked with the roommate situationand the dance. I remember nothingelse about the fucking show. I have no idea what
54:33happened in that show. Because how long ago did thatshow come out? I couldn'teven tell you. You know?Don't know, man.Butwe soldier on,don't we? Now,do you guys have anything else you want to talk about?
54:49That's it, man. I justshow wise.Yeah.There's a new Jerry Springer documentary outand it will remind usit's on Netflix. I started it.It will remind us that TV also used to be bad.And so maybe this
55:05nostalgia that we are experiencingbut I do plan on watching the Jerry Springer documentaryon Netflix. It just came out. It's like 2025 new.I'm very excited to watch that.I know it's just my Monday watch longbut I have to say if you want to harken back, man,bad girls club is the gift.that keeps on giving back at a time we didn't need competitions or plot or anything like that. No,
55:28all you did was cast a house full of bad girls and apply them with alcohol and watch them scream.And one shit their bikini in the last episode, which was really fun to watch.And they had a threesome. It was just amazing. It's just great stuff.and they're allqueerand they can't deal with the factthat they just, you know,because they all just go,
55:55I have to be hammered,but I'm in love with my friendwho's a woman.You know, back in the good old days,well, thank you guys so muchfor hanging out with us over hereon talking TV.We'll be back next week
56:10with a bunch of fun thingsfor you to put into your dome.Or maybe it'll be just a continuationof talking about other mothers.And I will look forward to that as well.The other mother update.We love you guys and we'll be back next week.Her husband did it.
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