Talkin' TV - Terrorizing the World With His Nut
00:10with MJ Holden and JackieTalking TVAnd you know it's gonna get wackyBecause everybody knowsAnd everyone knowsWe're watching showsWe're talking TV with MJ Holden and JackieWe are watching TV
00:31We are watching TVBecause it's the time of yearWhere we hide from the sunAnd pretend like it's notA hundred million degrees outsideI know I'm not alone in thatAlthough you guys have kids, so you probably have to go outside every once in a while, and that sucks for you.Directly downstairs and into the pool.
00:50That playground is officially beetle juice.Like, you walk outside and the worms get you.I mean, it is so.I have been able to take her a couple times, but yeah, I am definitely also, we are going just straight down to that pool, which sometimes very chaotic because there are now neighbor kids.We have neighbors, yeah.Oh yeah, it was, I felt like-You gotta scare him away from the pool.Bring me with you and I'll scare him away from the pool.
01:17Yeah, it was wild the last time I went down there.I got thrashed.Children were just screaming and splashing and, you know,Winnie was just like, super-Were you talking about merriment right now?When he attempted to become their leader.I don't know, they're holding some elections.There was assassination attempt.
01:35It was insane.But hopefully she will be-Lots of play.We're hoping she'll be queen of the pool in August.I mean, she's,is a Leo and so she is made to be queen of the pool and I do expect it by her birthdayHolden for sure so if you could just put that pressure I think like it's good right I've read thatlike it's good to pressure children under the age oh yeah they love it they respond very well to
01:57it always works they respond very well they love to follow directions yeah oh my god I am I am inhell over here it's like 96 degrees in New York City today and and yeah yeahDo you go to the big pool?Because that queen's pool is something else.A listener, page 7 listener message me.It was like, come to the Astoria Pool.But I live in like the opposite of that part of the city.I know.
02:24But consider taking them just one time.It is so crazy.It's so.But in a great way.It is, talk about New York, like those spaces where all of New York comes together.And you just really get to see it all in one place.Like that's what that is story.pool is like it's a lot of fun.
02:44It's a lot of fun.Yeah, no, we should, we should try it.We're, we're making water balloons.Nice.We're pouring ice water on our heads.We're doing whatever we can over here.But it is, we're in the dog days of summer for sure.We certainly are, and that's why, oh, babies, we've got to, it's like, if you're sick of
03:03your kids on the outside, think of the kids dealing with daddy in man with a thousand kids.But they're not dealing with daddy, are they?Are they dealing with daddy?No.What?Not the one that biologically had them.What a, biologically created them with the sperm, that is.What a wild story.
03:25Yeah, definitely, I think we're all caught up on this crazy tale of this guy.All three of us watched The Man with a Thousand Kids on Netflix.It was so funny.And also, I just need you to know that Jeff and I went to go get pedicures over the weekend.And I had already watched Man with a Thousand Kids.And it was playing at the nail salon.And then I was weird.And then I was trying to explain to the woman about Lucan Leia syndrome.
03:55And I'm like, and you see, you don't know if they're siblings.So then like what's going to happen if they start being together?And Jeff looks over.He's like, why are you trying to explain this docu-series to this person right now?I just wanted her feel it, you know, feel the essence of what we were going through.Yeah, because it really took my brain to different places it had never been before.I've never thought about the implications of something like this.This guy wanted to prolifically spread his seed all over the world.
04:28And in order to do that, he would lie.He would say he's only donated to a couple of other families.And he would go to all these different sperm banks and find sperm banks that weren't ason the level maybe was a littleinsidious even with how they handledtheir sperm donations and this guy was justcoming in cups all over the globeunder the guy you know and it was so crazy when they put
04:53two together like wait a second he has a travel bloghe's just spreading it everywhereand you know I think the most fact first of all it's likewhy you know obviously he found his callhe decided at least he found his callingand his calling was to just like put as much comeand as much women as possibleand make as many babies around the world.
05:13It's like this weird Genghis Khan thing.And then you're like,what kind of a mindwould even want to do something like that?And it's an extreme narcissist,I think it's an extreme narcissistwith a prolific fear of deathis maybe what I'm gonna go with.
05:28Yeah, gotta be.Yeah.Totally.Because I think that before you have kidsor before you raise kids,like I think that you have this idea,The way that we talk about kids in our society is that, like, they live on through you.And, like, you live on through them.
05:46Like, you won't, like, there's this idea that a kid is an extension of you, right?Well, that's, yeah, that's what it is.He keeps talking about legacy, how your ancestors are your gods.Like, he wants to make himself a God on Earth, creating life, making himself bigger.But also, it's just, like, obsession with legacy.Totally.And I think that having kids, what having.having kids as the most like, surprising thing about it is, and it's, I have been thinking about this
06:15because it highlighted, there's this idea that like your kid is an extension of you. They're anextension of you. And like, they'll heal you or like you have, there's all these like,kind of self-obsessed, you know, reasons why people have kids. And I don't say that withjudgment. Like, it's like, sometimes there's a bit of narcissism in a minute where you're like,I just kind of want to see what a kid of mine would look like or a kid of mine with this person Ilove would look like. I'm curious. Like, I felt that way. Go on the Sims. You can reallyplay that out without having to have a child, just saying.Without having an actual child.
06:43And the thing that, you know, having kids that's taught me is that, like, your kids arenot an extension of you.They are just, that is just a person.Like, yeah, they, like, they have your genes and, like, you, but, like, that's justa person.They're not, you don't control them in any way.They're not, you don't, do the extent to which you influence them by living with them,whatever, your genes, but they're just, that is just a fully independent person.
07:05I really feel like we need to emphasize that.You don't, it's not like you get like a version two of yourself.That is not you.It is a different person than you.And so I do think it's a fear of death.He's like, well, if I have all these kids, I'll live forever.And they don't really get into it, but there's maybe a twinge slash extra heavysprinkle of white supremacy in there.
07:24Yeah.Yeah.They're talking about wanting to white.Africa.Yeah, bleach Africa was insane.And they didn't even get to that until the third episode.And I was like, I kind of wish you had like centered that a little bit.Like, if this man is actually doing this, I don't.
07:37of this kind of like Aryan like desire.I feel like that's a big part of the story.Yeah.And yeah, he started off in the Netherlands.And there's this scene where it's like this mom describes like realizing whatit happened.She's like, I was talking to someone at work who used a donor.And I was asking her about the donor.
07:55And we realized this person at work.And we were like, wow, our kids have the same donor.This is amazing.We can like let the kids like, you know, be friends and grow up together.And then she's like, and then I was talking to someone at school.And then we were talking to someone at the dentist office.and this like slow.So these parents slowly realized.
08:13And then it's like this horrifying realizationbecause it's not just like, oh, that's weird.It's like now there are so many biological descendantsof this man all around the globethat your kid is now at riskof potentially meeting a biological sibling.Luke and Leah syndrome,which I've never thought about before.
08:37The idea that if you are, have the same genetic or similar genetic makeup as another person,you will be drawn to them.And if you don't know they are your sibling, you might mistake that drawing to them as attraction.And what if they are biologically able to have children, what then?Yeah.And the complications that could come from that.And what did this dude say to do?He goes, have a database.
09:07You know what we should do.He said put a marketing app.Have a dating app where all of my children have a symbol on their profile so you know, oh, I can't biologically make a child with this one.Yeah.And the Netherlands is a pretty small country, right?So you're talking about like the risk that this is not an abstract risk.Again, for this one mom, it was like all these people and just her, within blocks, there was dozens of siblings.So it's not an abstract risk that your kid might meet a sibling and fall in love with them.
09:39And then there was like a sibling meetup at one point.And one of the kids came back and was like, I really liked one of the other kids.Like I think I might have a crush on them.And the mom was like, you know, it makes sense that you're feeling this way because, yeah, you're drawn.You see things about yourself and someone else.You don't know that they're your sibling.And so you're like, I like that person's, I like that person's eyes.Right.
09:59I like that person's vibe.Yeah.It is a wild.It's one of those documentaries.We live in an age of like superfluous documentaries in a way, right?Where we're like, I don't, you know, it's just like candy, you know, popcorn, Netflixdocumentaries.And I'm watching many of them because I've always loved documentaries.
10:15And this is one of those where I'm like, I don't know, this isn't like the best documentaryI've ever seen.But it is a story.It is a wild story that there are at least 600 biological kids that this man had, maybeup to like 3,000.And he refused to stop.These moms had to organize together.come together and take him to, well, am I doing, am I doing too much?
10:38Am I saying too much about the plot?It's, it's, no, no, no.I just, I feel like it's one of those things, too, where he is now openly saying that, like,he's like, I did nothing illegal.Everything I did, I did above board.It's the sperm banks that are allowed, like, essentially saying, like, they are encouragingthis to happen.And they are also what's so crazy is that, like, at first I was watching it, I was like,
11:00okay, three hours on this.Let's see if this really is necessary.for three hours.It's just more of how it unfolds.And the idea that this man is not alone,he is actually part of a much bigger problemwhen it comes to the sperm donation systemand how people can abuse the system
11:20to do things like, quote, bleach Africa,which makes me want to puke to deathand how dangerous this isand how much bigger, it's so much biggerthan just this dude.And that's what really blew my mind about this docu series.It's just something I never thought about.And then like the part where they all end up on a Facebook group together and they're sharing
11:43these kids' photos and they're all like looking so similar.And they were blurred out, which of course they need to be.And I totally get that.But part of me was like, damn, I wish I could see these these comparisons because that'sgot to be so fucking surreal to go on a Facebook group and see a hundreddifferent versions of your kid.Yeah, a bunch of kids who look like a kid you didn't have.Yeah.
12:10But who looks like they could be your kid's sibling.And also just the part of it, like, you know, I had experiences with infertility andwe never needed a donor.But like, just knowing how for a lot of these families and for this industry, you know,it's like, so vulnerable.So vulnerable.Right.Like this is like these are, you know, families who like really need like.
12:33are in need, you know, and might be in pain, like, might have really, like, beenstruggling for a long time.You are their answer.Like, you are someone that can help them.And then you just scam them.And I guess at the end, like, I mean, you do get, you know, you might have a childat the end of it.So I guess it's like, but did he really scam them?
12:56It's like, I mean, he's jerking off in a mall and he's like mixing his spermies with otherdudes spermies so they can, like, compete.with how fast their sperm.He's like, I think it's, yeah, I think it's, yuck.Yeah, pretty sure.Yeah.Oh, yeah.And everyone's like, you know, I love my kid so much and I'm so happy that I have my
13:13kid.But yeah, but now you're like, how do I explain this to my kid?Is they get, you go to college?Like, when, if you phone, before you like have kids with somebody, before you even datesomeone to get in a relationship with them, you need to like disclose that you're likecome from a donor.Yeah.Fine.
13:27You have to find out, make sure that they didn't come from a donor.Yeah.Like, it's just a weird fucking.That's a lot to put on a kid.Yeah, it's so bizarre.And I feel like, I don't know, there's just sort of a, it's like, oh, I, you know, I'm sureeverybody went in feeling like they were going to have this unique situation.And then you're just like, wait, now I'm like this weird copy of hundreds and hundreds.
13:52I mean, we're talking upwards of, you know, the range they gave was 600 to 3,000, potentially.Yeah, man, that's a lot.That's a fucking lot.And that would be so heartbreaking to be like myinnocent kid.Beautiful one of a kind child is now,it's now been like this weirdly tainted.Painted in some way.
14:12Because of this man's narcissism and his vanity project.And then you're like,ugh.And I don't want to pass this kind of this evil man's,you know,gene.I don't want to be harboring this like evil fucking guyslike awful,
14:26you know,uh,game plan and,and forwarding those jeans.Yeah,I don't know.It just,it's rough,
14:35but a really good documentary.Like,it,I love a documentary like thisbecause it's like,wow,I am thinking about stuffI have never even thought about.
14:43I am like,never thought about.Yeah.I am like,thinking about procreation and the effectthat,you know,this sort of thing could have
14:49on the planet.And we always talk aboutGingas Khan and how he,like,was this very unique casewhere apparently like,so many people are descendantsof Gingis Khan,
14:59uh,because he was like,but,but that's such a one-of-a-kind situation compared to, you know, nowadays where you could actuallyhave a game plan, not be a prolific warlord that is like one-of-a-kind in history and just kindof like get away with this and like do this.Yeah.And the legislature, too.
15:20I mean, of course, how bizarre, you know, what a weird week for legislation and law and everythingand court stuff.And like, yeah, it's like, how do you even, we have to, we have to.We have the difficult task now of like convincing a judge that this is important.Right.And if we can't do that, a precedent will get set and we'll be fucked.Yeah.And this guy is just out there.
15:43Just throwing nut just all over the place, you know?Terrorizing the world with his nut.Like, as a control freak kind of person, like knowing that this guy's still just out thereand just getting away with it.He has been banned from me crazy.from donating his semen.Yeah.He has now, like, but here's the thing.
16:05I feel,I would assume, if there were waysin which he used the system for his advantagein the past, I would assumethat he could continue to do that.Totally. Because I don't feelthat like he was doing everythingaccording to the sperm bank
16:20rules, but also maybethat's just my hope that maybe notall the sperm banks are evil.Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.Yeah. And the sperm bank said they were going to stopusing whatever if they had any like users from him. I didn't even think about the policies that have to be inplace and just how numbers of descent. Yeah, it's so weird. It's just something I never thought about.Like Genghis Khan, it's going to, you know, with each generation, obviously there will just be more and more
16:47and more descendants of this guy. Yeah. Oh my like thousands.Already it's going to be like that. Yeah. But the amount that he's already gotten out there,thousands and thousands in another, you know, century or whatever.like, or a few decades.Wild, right?On Wizard and the Bruiser,we find all those crazy little moments in geek historythat made the things we love
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17:40Don't I sound like the kind of person you want to help?Like, hit the button.Like, just do it.I love this.He was asked, he says,this is from the dude.I know people are quickly judging meor thinking that I donate for narcissistic reason.
17:54But I'm quite down to earth.About myself.And I don't think too highly about it.myself. I prefer to be honest to myself and see my shortcomings and my good sides. But what motivates meas a donor is just to do something really big with just a little bit of help. The appreciation of therecipients and the warm feelings and memories I share with the children and the recipients,fuck off, dude. Fuck off. Yeah, he keeps saying, that's the other thing. He's completely delusional.He keeps saying like, oh, I'll go to their graduations and I'll go to their concerts. And it's like,
18:30Bro, you have at least 600 kids.You're obviously not doing that.Like, you're just a liar.Yeah.Yeah, at least Nick Cannon can attempt to hit all 12 kids functions at times, you know?Honestly, this does make Nick Cannon look good because he does see those kids on Father's Day and Easter.Yeah, he lines them up, gives him a high five and says, see you next year.Yep.
18:52You know?See you.Yeah, it makes Alec Baldwin look good, you know, even slightly better.Don't worry.You're hearing talking, if you're hearing talking TV on Wednesday, we talk.day we talk about Alec Baldwin onthe leftovers on Friday.Don't you worry. And something
19:05else we did talk about now. I knowthat I have to talk about longlegs. I have to talk aboutgoing to go see long legs. I was so excitedto see it. I've been juicedto go see it for weeksbecause of this viral marketing campaignthey've been doing for long legs.
19:21And they didsuch a good job with the trailerbecause it reallydidn't give a whole lot.and the movie itself is just also I got really, really juiced because afterwards,Osgood Perkins was at the director, the writer's director was at the theater we were at.And I guess he was doing a talk at one of the other showings.And I was so upset because we were outside and spoke and joined afterwards.
19:49And of course, I don't know what the director looks like, but a good friend of mine does know what it looks like.And he was like, Oscar Perkins is like over there.He must be doing a talk back.He's like, oh my God, I would have loved to have heard about the process for that.Oh man, that's L.A. for you.That's L.A. baby.And for those of you that are unaware, long legs, it has been, everyone's been saying it'sthe creepiest serial killer thriller since Silence of the Lambs.
20:15And I will say what is also cool is that it is not a horror movie per se.It is more like a silence of, like it is more of a thriller.It's more, I mean, don't get me wrong.It's still like violent at times.but it is way more a thriller,a serial killer thriller, than it is a horror.I appreciate that distinction because I've been thinking about thisand thinking about your love of horror movies
20:38and I'm like, do I love horror?Like, I like watching scary movies at Halloween and stuff,but like that's, I think that what I like is a murder mystery,and that's not the same thing as a horror, right?And I guess what this is, also the thriller thing I can get with,there's something about, like, I don't identify as somebody who loves horror,even though I exclusively read murder mysteries and thrillers.So yeah, it's an interesting distinction.
21:00It is.And I think that like some people, that's why I try to get more into like the explainingthe kind of horror or thriller or like what kind of violence is included.Yeah, yeah, yeah.Yeah.Because like, for me, I'm not really a big torture porn person.I will watch all the saws.I'll watch all the hostels.
21:19Like I'll watch them, but they're not my favorite.I just sure.Unless it's fun, intriguing kills like in a violent nature.Like, even though that's not necessarily torture porn by any means.but like fun insane kills, very here for,but usually just the like,ah, they're ripping the fingernails.Yeah, it's like, all right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
21:37Keep going.And not because it disgusts me, just like, ah, all right, boring.But long legs.Nick Cage.The fact that Nick Cage, I read the article that he based it off of his mother.Oh!And I shouldn't yell.It's because his mother was mentally ill.
21:59and suffered from schizophrenia and abandoned them when he was a young,like was, I think like in his teens,but from what he remembers of her,and it's specifically the cold cream that he remembers her slathering on her faceand that's why he's got that look in the movie.In fact, they're not showing his face everywhereand they actually don't really show it for a while in the movie either.the sound design, it was haunting.
22:33And I got enough questions and I liked it enough that I'd like to go back and see it again.Yeah.Cool.Yeah, I read a tweet somewhere that was like the best thing to do with Nick Cage is just let Nick Cage be Nick Cage.And that's what Oz Perkins did in this movie.So I got not into an argument, but someone that I watched it with was like, yeah, but I felt like the entire time I was like watching Nick Cage be Nick Cage.And it was like, I didn't feel that way.And I see where you're coming from, but I also love Nick Cage.
23:05So I love that he's bringing Nick Cage to it because he was very present.And not in a like screaming way, not in that kind of way.It was, that's why I thought that the character he created because he worked on it for months before coming in.And he presented this character to Oz Perkins.And, like, it's...There's discourse now, is Nick Cage a good actor or not?Have you seen...Like, Twitter is a flame.
23:30I think that's insane.Right?And I, when I hear Let Nick Cage be Nick Cage, I mean, let the man make extreme choices.Choices.Right.You know, I don't mean, like, let him be the same in every movie.In fact, it's the opposite.Let him bring whatever he wants to bring to this and make the choices he wants to make.
23:48And, you know, I love the best version of him is when you really, you know, see him.Vampires Kiss and, you know, there are way better movies out therethe Vampires Kiss to use as an example, but still like...I mean, the Empire's Kiss is fun, though.But Colorado Space, he's like a lot of Colorado Space.He's making an extreme choice.He's making an interesting and extreme choice.And I cannot look away.
24:11And I'm just at...And yes, the movie's not like good.It's like totally ridiculous, but he is, I think, great in it.Like, I just think he's fascinating in it.You know, even when he's failing, he's doing something interesting that isincredibly compelling to me, you know, and that's when he's at his best.But also, Micah Monroe from It Follows, like another, you know, I feel like a fun indie horror girl,she also brought a fun perspective to this agent. I loved what she did. She could have
24:42just done it just as a regular agent, but I really enjoy what she brought to it. And I reallyloved that Nick Cage genuinely enjoys Micah Munro.Roe's performance and it follows like actually was already a really big fan of hers.So what they did is they actually kept them separate until, so she had no idea what his characterwas going to be until they meet in the movie.And that like she was terrified of him.And Michael Monroe kills it.Lisa Witt kills it.
25:21It was just a really good movie.Cool.And Holden, I'm so excited you're about to have two weeks without your family because I will go with you to go see this movie again.I'd be down. I'd be down.And I was one I was probably the one I was considering going to see in the theater while they're away.But I do need to know.I forgot it existed.So just to maybe an example of how it's gone this season.
25:48I do need to know how things wrapped up with Milf Manor from the two of you.I'm at the edge of my seat.Did the dumb guy end up with this stupid woman?Was the annoying woman kissing the young man?I mean, what happened out there, guys?Yeah, so we had our finale of Miltz Manor,and I think when you say did the dumb guy end up with a stupid...I feel like he's threatened us with 15 episodes, by the way,
26:19and there were only 12.Yeah.There was 12.I think they ran out of steam.They were like, we're done here.We got nothing early.We're trying to make this up as we go along.And we just don't, we have zero to work with.
26:32There was just nothing happening.Nothing was happening.What a fizzle.When you say, did the dumb guy end up with the stupid woman?I think that you're talking about Chris and Barbie.And yes, they did end up together.Great.And Barbie's posting pictures of them on Instagram.
26:48Like, are, like, what's happening?I thought Barbie was about to spill some tea.No, they are not together.They're not together.No, the mom, like, his mother was going after her for, like, things that she was saying.Well, she just...Word on this, okay.Word on the street is MJ.
27:01So, Holden.Episode begins.Kelly is crying in her bed.Crystal is trying to make her feel better.Kelly is crying because she's like, and he stood up for me and, like, she came after me.But word on the Reddit is that Chris may have gotten physical.towards the dude that Kelly,you know, weasel man,
27:24weasel face?That, like, he stepped inand it got more,if it's, like, more happenedthan what was shown,and that's why she was so upset.But, again, only heresythat I've got over here,
27:38but it would make sensebecause, like, why would Kelly be sobbingbecause Barbie yelled at her in front of her sonwhen, like, isn't Joe,we used to that.Yeah, that's kind of Kelly's thing.And Barbie did make fun of her hair extensions and her crop top.And that was mean.
27:57But it doesn't.And said, you know, happy birthday, bitch.Well, that, yeah, it seems like, right, it seems like Kelly is not, it seemeduncharacteristic of Kelly to be so upset about getting yelled that.Because, yeah, Kelly's a messy bitch who lives for drama.But yeah, so Chris and Barbie snuck off.They, it ends with them being like, yeah, this is.Great, but we know that they're not together in real life.
28:21But yes, Barbie posted the pictures of it on Instagrambecause I think this new episode just came out.So that's what happened with them.Kelly and Big Neck Weasel Face say yes to each other.What, Jackie?You're making a surprise phase.Kelly Mack and Darren are still together.Oh, good for them.
28:39They are not only still together.They are starting to do a YouTube show called Milfing Monday with Kelly Mac and Darren.and they said that they are the first golden couple America.America has been transformed from pessimism to optimism.And Darren and I are thrilled that our genuine old-fashioned sweet approach has resonated with you,especially during Milf Manor season two.I will say they were at the very end.Yeah.
29:07And I actually thought it was, I was hoping that it was genuine between them.Yeah.And actually, it actually is.Nice.And you know we were creeped out by Darren.I know.He is a jet salesman.His son is giving like slight in-cell vibes.
29:26I just, I did not want to like him.I really didn't want to like him.Whoa, I can't believe they're still together.I can't, but I'm not surprised.They seemed to really, really like each other.Hell yeah.Good for that, man.Also, it is definite that they have no idea that they're going on Milf Manor.
29:43Oh, really?It is a definite.They do not know what is Milf Manor.No one?Not even the Mills?No.Okay.Well, that makes it a little bit more sympathetic.
29:50Because everybody, I'm like, you chose to be here.They did not know.And there was like more that I was reading into like when Joey was saying like, I think I was the only guy here.Right.Was that it?No, his name's Joey.Are they both named Joey?They're not both named Joey.
30:06He just looks like Joey.Kelly's little boy.Joey and Anthony's little boy, Joey.Oh, God, they are both Joey.Yuck!I can't even imagine.I'm sorry.No, I would never even hook up with someone named Henry.
30:20I'm sorry, I don't think I could do it.I can't imagine how, like, could you genuinelyHolden would you kiss someone named Winnie?No, it's the yikes.It's a yikes for me.It's a note for me, dog.Well, especially not when talking constantly about your son.Kelly obviously has a lot going on, but she did end up.
30:38She said yes to Big Neck Weasel Man.Do we know if they're still together?You know who, that was the most bullshit of them all.Yes. She's, she's, uh, she's terrible. And then who else? Um, oh, poor, you know, stupid girl. Crystal. Oh, good for Crystal. Can we say good for Crystal? Because she left that man. Yes. SheShe fucking left that man hanging. Good for Crystal. He showed up. He took the boat there. Stacy. He was there waiting. And then he looks at his phone. And Crystal was like, nah, dude, not showing up. I'm not going to meet up with you. Yes. I'm done. I'm over.She ghosted bad daddy who wouldn't stop ghosting her. And for that, we're happy for Crystal. No, I'm thinking about the other bitch.Christina.Oh, she also, I loved in the family episode when Christina was like, we're just drunk on bicycles.
31:24And the dude was like, I don't really want someone drunk on bicycle.Yeah, I don't think I want this kind of vibe.Yeah, yeah.So they didn't stay together.She got her heart broken.I also feel like, though, the second that lady gets into a monogamous long-term relationship, the drunken bike riding ends.I think that is a very strong possibility.you know what I mean?
31:46I think, yeah, because she's,she's giving like big,divorced, fun divorced mom energy.Yeah, totally.I gotta say, though, things are stacked.Things were, she was in an unfair situationbecause the guy who came onwasn't who she matched with
31:59wasn't even a dillth.He was just an uncle.Yeah.And so he's like, he was in her generation, right?He was in the older cohort.He was 41.She was like 46.Not even a big age difference.
32:09But he was a 41 year oldwho was like, I want to have kids.And it's like, well,everyone else here's a,Dilf and everyone else here in this generation already has grown kids.So this bitch has grown kids.She's not having more kids.And he's like, I just, I just can't be with someone who can't have more kids.
32:26So I actually felt bad for Christina.I was like, you're supposed to be here with a bunch of, I mean, you're supposed to be herewith a bunch of little boys.But that's because they don't know.They don't know that they're going on Milf Man.Yeah, yeah, yeah.Yeah.So that uncle, why they bring in an uncle?
32:39I don't know.Bring in a dillf.I mean, I would have kissed.But, and then that also, the kids thing also ended up fucking with.With Joey, because sweet little Joey, it doesn't surprise me.He's a little Italian family man, a little Italian family boy.And he was like, I want kids.And so he goes up to this mill whose kids are grown.
32:54And he's like, do you want to have kids with me?And she's like, no, of course not.No way.And then she's like, you know what?I'm going to leave.And he's like, yeah, I should leave.Yeah, almost everybody leaves before the even ending couples thing hold.And like everybody kind of just like leaves.
33:09Except for the regular couples.Yeah.If you are like in your mid to late 40s and your kids are already in their 20s,you're probably not going to meet a 24 year old and be like, yeah, let's have any familykids again.Although you never know.You know, sometimes we talk about family stuff in our Sims chat.And we have heard from a lot of people who got a new sibling when they were like 14, 15,
33:2816.So it could happen, you know, but, um, but, yeah, a lot of kind of realizations.But you know what's the highlight holding?That dirty doggy Anthony went to meet with, again, can't remember her name.Rebecca.That bitch.She brought them both.She brought Connor and Anthony.
33:48That's right.Wow.That's right.The son, the nephew, I'd like to fuck and Anthony.Yeah.And she,remember, she's the reasonLynette's not there anymore.
33:59And she reject,did she choose the little boy?She chose Connor.She chose the young one.She rejected Anthony.I couldn't remember if she rejected them both.She's like, sorry, I got to go with my heart.Because like literally she said in the,
34:11in the,like confession room.She said, I don't really want to be like an older guybecause I like having sex and sometimes they have trouble with it.Also, girl, you know that there's things that change that now, right?Yeah.But I guess maybe I would assume she's banging dudes that would never, ever admitor need any kind of help, I would assume.
34:36But no, she just wants to get laid.And at least she made that very clear.She was not looking for a life partner.She just wanted to get laid.So Anthony dug his own grave.And lie in it, Anthony.You should be with Lynette, you dirty dog.And now you're alone.
34:48I know.And Joey, like, cried.He was like, I really want my dad to, like, find love.And he's, and I wish that for him.But this wasn't going to be it.He, you know, he's still got something to learn because I feel like he had something andsomeone that was going to be real and genuine and, you know.He hurt women.
35:09And he threw it away.Maybe he just wasn't that into Lynette.that happens, but it just feels like he doesn't really get it.Yeah.Like he doesn't really, I don't know.Many of the, I think the biggest takeaway.I think he needs therapy.I think the biggest takeaway from this is that almost all of the divorced dads need to
35:25work on themselves before they can love someone else.All of them need therapy and it's a generation that just doesn't really tend to do that.And so they're probably going to die alone.And that's the bottom line.Except for the jet salesman.Except for the jet salesman who's going to die with Kellyman.Except for Darren and Kelly Mac.Oh, did the jet salesman find love?
35:45No shit.The jet salesman.I'm sure he found some love.Good Lord.He's selling jets.I'm happy for them.It's really.Not to a point that I'm going to watch Milfing Monday or anything like that, but I am happy
35:57for them.Now, I do just want to give quick updates.I know most likely you might not care, but I really enjoyed House of the Dragonthis week.And there was...I've heard it's heat enough.I'm really, I am liking this show more and more.honestly, after you guys told me, and by you guys, I mean, like, you, y'all that wrote in,
36:15after you guys told me that it was, like, based on, like, the maesters and, like, that not all of it was, like, genuinely known that they're kind of, like, piecing together what's written in the books and, like, making it into the show.I love it even more.I'm so fascinated by it, and I, I never needed, like, I wasn't just the bitch for the battles in Game of Thrones.So, like, I love the manipulation and the politicking.So I am very here for itAnd one thing I am not very here for it, y'allI've gone four seasonsAnd I'm finally going to stop watching it
36:49I'm stopping the boysI don't want to watch it anymoreReally? I'm doneThere was thisAnd not because I feel like everyone's gonna be likeBecause of the sceneLast week there was a sceneThat was a scene
37:00That was that everybody was likeIt was too farThey went too farNo and like yeah they went really farIt's more just that likeI'm annoyed that it's kind of the same where it's like,Homelander, he can get away with anything.And it's like, this is going to be the time.
37:16They're going to get a homelander.And then it's like, he does something horrific, public.But he's still a homelander and he gets away.And it's like, it's kind of just.This is re-ashing, yeah.I just kind of got bored.Yeah, I watched seasons one and two.And I just was like, I don't know why, but I just don't really,
37:36I'm not really driven to.And I do think part of it, too,is a bit of the eye-rollingalso around the like,look how crazy this is.And I understand that that is,like, the splatter is like a huge,you know,
37:49that amount of violenceis what the graphic novels are known for.Like,and don't get me wrong.I get that.I'm not trying to say that,like the violence,the ultra-violence is not my issue.
37:59I just think it's a little cyclicaland I'm a little bored.Yeah, yeah.And, and, but,but yeah,that's part of it, too, though.And the shock of like,did you see what we did?
38:08It's like, yeah,I know.Yeah, he's fucking the octopus. Wow.Whoa.I get it.But it's just not enough for me.Right.But what is enough for me?
38:18And I'm sorry that I feel like I'm plaguing both of your lives with this.And I'm going to say no thank you to our Jack and Chat because y'all are the ones that got me into this.And that is Love Island USA Season 6.Okay.I started it.I love that they started the entire season with a choreographed dance number with all thecontestants. I was like, all right, I'm in. Interesting. But then Jackie told me that there's like30 episodes and I was like, all right, I don't know. It just goes on and on. It just goes on and on.
38:47But it will entrance you. I'm definitely interested in at least getting a taste because like I said,I went through, I don't know what season even it was, but it was a full season of one of theLove Island UK's. And I mean, yeah, it was an unbelievable amount of episodes. And I watched it all.I couldn't even believe by the endthat I had consumed all of it,but it is like a drug.Is there a premise?It's heroin.
39:13It's just hot people.It's like a human nature documentary.It's just hot, sexy people,young people on an island.And they're all.Yeah, yeah, yeah.They're animals and they're all fucking and suckingand getting mad at each other.
39:28And you just kind of watch them.Couples breaking up.Couples getting back together.Like, this one's kissing.This one, this one's doing this.But here's the thing, MJ.cameras 24-7.So nothing, like, it's not really, it's not scripted.
39:42In fact, we even had a friend that wrote on an episode of Love Island that had to sit in Fijiand watch the, like, constant footage of them and try to make jokes for the host to write.And he told me, he's like, I actively got dumber the, like, writing for this show.and that's how I feel watching this showand I love every second of it.This show, it's not to be watched necessarily.I've been having a lot of issues in my lifeand I've just been struggling with my emotions.
40:20Man, Love Island USAI had no idea was the fix that I neededbecause it is so dumb, so vapid,such a nothing show.that you do not have to pay attention to,but it's just the dulcet tones.They're idiotic voices.One of the dudes literally laughed like,
40:44during one of the interactions.And I laughed until my stomach hurt.Yeah, you texted us that it is betterthan your anti-anxiety medication.It really is.Like, I just shut my brain off.And last night I was watching it,and Jeff was in the shower and he came downstairs.
41:01You want to watch House of the Dragon?And I was like, it's the opposite of what I am doing right now.Yeah, no focus required.I didn't want it, but I still enjoyed House of the Dragon.So I need you to know if you are ripped away for love.I don't want to be doing anything except just having Love Island lazily playing in the background.It's fucking heroin.It really is.
41:24It's just mindless great stuff.And I was saying to you, Holden, because it was like, I think back when you used to watch the show,I believe you called it the stupid idiots.And you're like, oh, I'm watching the stupid idiots.Right.And I try not to be, you know, too judgmental, but I'm watching the stupid idiots.Yeah, they're morons.With everything going on, guys.
41:47I don't think they would say they're smart, though.Yeah.Yeah.I don't think they would even be like, yeah, we're smart people.And I'm insulted by what you're saying here.I think they would literally be like, yeah, we love that we're dumb.We're so hot.We get to do whatever we want.
41:59Ignorance is bliss, baby.They're hot as fuck.and they just get to it, like, have a great life.Like, I'm jealous.I'd love to be a stupid idiot on Love Island.One of them was just like, he's like,don't worry.Like, not like, I'm still looking at your eyes.
42:13I'm not busy looking at your breast.Like, God, I'd be so offended if you never looked at my bra.And it was just so like, girl, like what?Talk about it's a woman's world and you're lucky to be living in it.That's what this show is.It's just like,And she's like, I can't kiss you and move and bend.I don't my tits are getting on animation.
42:40And Jeff came down, he comes downstairs and he's like,it's that sound because a girl had just kissed somebody elseand the guy that she was coupled up with watched it happen.And she was just like,ah!Like she was making this sound that should be illegal.And I was howling with laughter.Because again, I am stoned out of my gourd while watching this show.
43:06And it just, I shut your brain off, y'all.You don't need heroin.Yeah, the time is now.The time is now for that.We retreat.For sure.Not all the time.Absolutely.
43:17We organize.We support each other.We show up for our communities.And then at a certain point in the day, we retreat.We run away, right away.All right.Well, we've been going a little long in the bean on this episode.I will just briefly say I watch the entire four-hour Star Wars Hotel Failure YouTube video.
43:36I cannot believe that it is that engaging and that I was able to be so engrossed in it.Highlights. Any highlights?I have zero interest in an immersive hotel experience.I think that's what this taught me.I would never what, could you, okay, would you want to have to be at the first thing at nine in the morning?So that means you got to get up and get the free breakfast at eight.then you're literally on a schedule from 9 to 11 interacting with characters, trying tolike find your through line of the game you're in, like playing these weird mini-games.
44:11I know, MJ is smiling, though.I feel like MJ would enjoy this.I like, I've always wanted to do like a murder mystery weekend or something, but no, I'msmiling because I'm thinking about how much Gideon might enjoy it.And don't worry, it failed.And she just goes through how and why it failed.and just the corners that seem like they cut,the,
44:31how everything was kind of like taped together.And, you know,it's really,really a fun time.But yeah,there's so much of it that I would not enjoy.There's like a big old dinner theater thingwhere there's this like singer.
44:45Star Wars music is lame.Like Star Wars nightclub music is inherently corny and dumb and lame.And I would not be interested in a,pretending like I'm at a canteena enjoying those types.of performers.Just all of it.Just all of it.It just seems like something
45:03I would not be thrilledto do.No, me neither.In character,trying to interactwith these paid actors,these poor, poor paid actorsthat are just trying to keep track
45:15of all these plot linesand all this nonsense.I'm not even saying thatjust because I'm whateverabout Star Wars.Even if it was like a Faye Bay thing,I just feel like it would betoo much.
45:28I need to shut off.I need to break.And the entire thing is like you get in on Friday at one.You've got the whole time there all of Saturday and then checkouts on Sunday.And it's one thing if you're going to like a con or like you're going to like a weekendfor that kind of thing that you can also remove yourself and go back to your hotel or take a break.Four day, five day experience because then you wouldn't just constantly be like.But five days you'd have to spend what, $40,000 for a,
45:57A family of four?Like, how much would you have to spend?$6,000 for one person.Wow.Bro.So not only would I not want to do this.I can't remember if it was two of them for $6,000 or one of them for $6,000, but it wasway too expensive and not worth it.
46:17And yes, there was food included, but there were all these, like, add-ons.You had to pay extra money for.It's just really, really interesting.but I love there's so much footage of all of the different like, you know, performers and performances and all the details of this thing that now no longer exists that feel, it just feels very exclusive and fun.You said it's a YouTube documentary?I think Gideon would at least enjoy watching it.It's a four-hour YouTube.It's Jenny Nicholson and it is a four-hour, yeah, and I obviously watched it in several chunks.
46:50But it was a great thing to throw on like while I'm quickly eating in between, you know,recordings or something like that and just kind of zone out to.So anyway, shout-outs to that.And that's it.I think we got to get out of here, y'all's.Hell yeah.I got to eat, baby.Let's fucking do this shit.
47:07Thank you guys so much for hanging out with our talking TV.And we'll be back next week to share more of our screen time with you.Hell yeah.Let's sing the song.Talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie.Talking TV.And you know it's going to get wacky.Because everybody knows what everybody.
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