Page 7 - Talkin' TV - The Father and Son That Cucks Together

Episode Date: May 22, 2024

This week on Talkin' TV Jackie, Holden, and MJ kick it off with some MILF Manor chat, rewatching I Love New York has Holden wonderin' if House of Villains is worth paying for Peacock, Bridgerton season 3 made Jackie scream on the plane, Holden checks out Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, MJ checks out Spacey Unmasked, Max unleashes ZillowGoneWild, Holden reviews the Ashley Madison doc and Jackie loved a board game (including the 6+ hr setup) AND MORE! MILF Manor: Season 2 - MaxBridgerton: Season 3 - NetflixHazbin Hotel - Amazon PrimeSpacey Unmasked - NetflixZillow Gone Wild - MaxAshley Madison: Sex, Lies and Scandal - NetflixMixtape Massacre Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

We're talking TV with M.J. Holden and Jackie talking TV. And you know it's going to get wacky. Because everybody knows what everybody knows. And everybody knows we're watching shows. We're talking TV with M.J. Holden and Jackie. Wow. All right. Yeah, that works.

New. We switched up the order of the names. listened and thank you for your responses about our intro song. We see you, we hear you. Yes. And we hope to not annoy you. And we don't feel you unless we do. Ugh.

That's scary. That's a scary thing to say. No, we're talking about TV, guys. We are talking about all kinds of TV. We've got some sexy TV. We've got some reality TV. We've got it all across the board today. And I guess we should, I mean, always start

off with Milf Manor conversations. Can I bring it in? Let me bring it in. Miltf Manor. You're getting caught up on the Melf Manner. Melf Miff Man. Man, there is nothing I love with my hot, sexy milfs, more than a side of father trauma. I'm just like, let's talk about the trauma miles.

I was just saying, so I literally last slide I was watching like cute old people date. like I would see it a rom-com and I was watching a fathered son work through their trauma with his abandonment and I was like, what fucking show am I watching anymore? This is not the human centipede reality show thing that I signed up for.

Where is the underwear smelling and the father-son like ball-licking or whatever it is? You're right that there was two really actually like really positive, nice things that happened in this week's episode of Milf Manor we had to, this is not what we predicted. Last week we said, Stacy and Miles, the father and son who were estranged,

they're not going to get any reconciliation. We did get a nice conversation between them. We did get a really nice, pleasant, two people of the same generation having a really nice date with each other. But you know where the human centipede part was holding? Maybe your brain already blocked it out. It was when Kelly was kissing.

Kelly was making out with Joey? When she said in the room, she's making out with Joey, and then in the, like, talk back, she goes, it's crazy because, like, his name is Joey,

which is my son's name. And also he kind of looks like him. And then it cuts back to them making out in the hot tub. But, you know, I'm a piece of trash. So, oh, by the way, Jackie.

Oh, bro. Are you about to ask me if I'm in love with Anthony? The answer is yes. What had happened was? you were out of town for a certain Julia Jodz's birthday party at a bar

in Ventura in Studio City and who was there but not other than Milf Manor season one older lady. Erica Jane. Yes, dude. She was so there. Yes. She was there. Yeah, Grimlina. Yeah.

She was there looking full on, dude. And I was I had this instinct. Did you talk to her? Of course not. I whispered about her with Lexi and to a couple of other people as well. I was Starstruck. I've never been Starstruck like that in L.A. yet. It was an amazing moment.

And you missed it. You absolutely missed. It's April Jane, right? The one you're talking about who lives in your neighborhood? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I've seen her at my Starbucks, which means she's over here. And next time I see her, I'm talking to her. It was also very funny because Henry was like, where's Jackie?

Where's my sister? And I was like, she's in Denver where you just were. Jesus in Denver? Yeah, had no idea that you were in the same city as he was. No, everyone kept, because of said birthday party that was happening, and I'm usually the one that is organizing things, people texted me all weekend about questions with the birthday party. And I was like, I'm God, everyone.

I am out of town. It's the one party I'm not putting together. But where's the zini? I'm out of town. But we need a zini at the, what are you talking about? You know what I mean? I got, I'm the one that got, I got to make sure that there's enough food. I've got to be the one that makes sure comes in, organizes everything,

which is why I think I am positing to the group, should I marry Anthony from Milf Manor? So, like, I think that Anthony and Lynette are fucking perfect for each other. I have never rooted for any couple on a reality show as hard as I'm rooting for them. But that's the craziest part is that I've never thought about watching Milf Manor and actually standing one of the couples. I know. Well, that's because in the past it's been disgusting.

It's an age-appropriate relationship. Yeah. Yes. These are two people who should, could and should be dating each other. Also, Lynette is just like far too normal to be on this show. Yes. She's a delight. She's a delight. She's just a normal person. And Anthony's so charming and funny and really, really smart date concept. Because it's like, hey, this is what it's like if you lived with me. We'd have fun like this. We'd make dinner together. And it was such a bunch of. smarter way to do like a more mature and also none of the boys are going to like make a really good Italian meal but those Italians in their kitchens man it was just so funny that guy is where he belonged

man he's a light something like a Christmas tree in that kitchen I think I'm in love with Anthony and I yeah yeah you knew right watching it you're like of course jack he's going to fall in love with this man I fell in love with him he kept making me laugh last night I just like I'm just very charmed by him he's very funny absolutely he did a great job and I Also, to Anthony's, we're going to give Anthony a lot of credit. We, last week, you may remember, we discussed Jammie, old crying eyes. I've been crying all night. Oh, Jamie.

Jammie got in trouble because she has a boyfriend and not only a boyfriend, but they're head over heels in love. The love of a life. The love of her life. She decided to go to Miltv Manor anyway. All the bitches found out. She told one bitch, that bitch told another bitch. That bitch told everybody.

They all confronted her. She said, I don't like people in my face. It turned into this whole thing, right? all these milfs were going to slap each other. And Anthony was like, all right, all right, ladies, give us some space. And he was like, all these girls, I feel bad for her, all these girls are ganging up on her.

You know, let it be, just let it go. She's already embarrassed enough. Like, he was such a gentleman about it. Yeah, yeah, totally. He was like, don't fight her. Just leave her, like, let her leave the house. It's over. Leave the house, let her leave the house.

Yeah, and that made me love him even more. He doesn't belong in the show. But that's the problem too, though, is that he was like squashing the beef. I bet all the producers were like, Anthony. No, let it go. No, and they're all just like, all right, today we're going to eat bull tent. It just turns into like fear factor because they can't get them to be unwholesome. Today we're going to eat fucking, yeah, worms.

They're like, what, why? Why? What are we doing here? I am in need of that. I mean, yes, there was that one tiny moment where it was like, he reminds me of my boy. But besides that, I'm not, we need more. I think we need more challenges where it's like the fathers have to look at the son's dicks

and like draw a painting of it or something. We need more of that. I would assume that last season was so upsetting to people that I bet the network was like, why don't it down just a switch? Man, but this is, I don't know, this makes me fall off though. I mean, unfortunately, yeah, Anthony's just charming enough

and everything that I mean, I think I have to keep watching just for that. But yeah, I think they even last minute added that lady, that awful woman, to the house just because they were like, there's not enough horseshit happening. Yeah, they were like, these milfs are too, there's new men coming. There's new men coming. I miss the next one.

Just make the show milfs and dilfs. Yeah. Get rid of the sons and have it be a bunch of divorces, you know, who were all slutty and, you know, people who are figuring out how to age, people who were hot idiots when they were younger and are now, they're all still beautiful people. They're aging. Let the aging milfs and dilfs go at it. It's fantastic. I'm so happy for them. I just don't want the sons there. I just don't want the sons there. MJ, I'm going to have to throw this out to you. You're being a real Marge Simpson right now. This reminds me absolutely of the itchy and scratchy episode where she

tries to make them be nice to each other and no one fucking watches it. And they all, I will literally go outside and start playing like hopscotch personally. if that's what the show becomes. It is not that. I know. What we need is idiots trying to be in love. That's like why are you the one is so good? Because they're all morons

and they're trying to play a game, but all they can do is think with their dicks or their pussies, and then shenanigernary happens. You know what I mean? And then everyone's yelling at each other and stuff like that. So this is the problem here. I don't want to watch two mature adults fucking go on a date. Oh, but I also love it.

It's fine, I guess. I think it's beautiful to us. See, I love watching. old people date. I'd rather watch like something's got to give or something if I'm going to watch that. You know what I mean? Like, oh, what? That's just because you've been living in rom-com territory. No one

wants to watch something's got to give. That's a name I haven't heard 20 years. That's the Diane Keaton and Jack Nicholson one. It certainly is. I loved that one. You guys certainly remember the movie holding. You guys didn't love that one? I just, if you want to watch a mother who wants to kiss her

son, give Kelly her own show. She's the one who obviously has a son kissing complex. She's a nightmare. Yeah. Everyone else is just a hot. Also, can I just say that Darren,

the one who hurt his foot that's like on the crutches that had to like sit out for it? Like he's a creepest, right? There's something about his smile that really creeps me the hell out. And also his son has like, um, like a prodigy child syndrome. Yes. You know? They seem like they cucked together and a father and son that cucks together

might not be my speed, but it is perfect for this show. He really yucks me out. Yeah, both of them. Yeah, the son had a date with, uh, with a milth this week and he just- You're watching him kiss when his whole mouth was all over. Because she asked him, how do you kiss? And of course, he said, want to find out?

And then they start making out. Which is not a bad. It's not a bad lot. It would work. It would definitely work for me. It worked. But like, the way he sucked in her face was like, I don't know if he is. I don't know if he is a good guesser.

You don't want to be in a situation where you're telling the young, young, young person you're dating, you're an old soul. You know, when you're an actual old person. I just don't like that old soul. It usually means you're traumatized. Yeah. And in this case, I don't know what this kid's problem is. When he sits next to his dad, he looks like a boy trying to get a job at his father's bank. Yes.

His father sells private jets. He looks like a boy who's just waiting for his dad to hire him for his private jet company. but also like maybe he has like three other brothers who are also trying to get the same job. Right. You know, it's just there's some, there is a simmering, dangerous dynamic going on

between that father and son. I agree. Yeah, really creeps me out. So I guess they're the ones to watch for the next episode. Just see, let's see how the creep factor plays out. And the fact that they're all yammin for Barbie. Really, I'm just like, oh, this poor woman.

Yeah, I'm kind of, I'm also not seeing the draw on Barbie this for this too. I'm like, what is the, why is everyone picking? She seems like she might not be as uptight as some of the other ones, I will say. Are you talking about the British son? Are you talking about that guy? Oh, yeah, poor British son. No, not him, but he left.

Yeah, he's the guy I would be at the, I'm like, I'm not watching guy after guy make out with the girl I have a crush on in the house because that's the point of the show. Like, and I don't want to fucking sit here and compete. Like, you know, I don't have that in me. But he's on a conversation. Yeah, but he didn't get it. He's just a soft little boy. I think he thought that he, everyone was going to lose their shit for him because he's like, oh, I'm British.

Right, right, right. I think that, like, nah, bro. I think you're not as hot as the other guys. And I think you're starting to feel sad about yourself. Yes, I think that's right. I think he's like, he's like a guy with muscles. And so I think he's like, I'm a British guy with muscles. I got it.

And then he was like, I'm actually a bit soft for all this. And then I love that he tells, he tells this dad. that he's going and his dad's like, all right, then, Jerryo, and his dad absolutely stays, which I think is, you know. All right. Here's also, I feel bad for that dude because his dad's a lot hotter than he is. Yes, that too. He's like the hottest dad.

That's the thing, too. I think he was just like, oh, my dad's a part of this, like my fucking one, like Achilles heel, honestly. But I would watch that reality concept. See, MJ, this is how you got to get your head into, okay? Not nice old people being nice to each other. We call it one hot, nine ugly, and there's like a few contests and they're trying to like suss, you know, they're trying to see if the ugly people could like overcome the one hot person, you know, to win. That is a good idea. Yeah. And every time they choose a ugly person over the hot person, the hot person has to take a knife and put a giant scar. Yeah. How do you think I got these scars? Give me the fucking keys to the car, bros.

I will come up with the most compelling. You ain't seen nothing yet. Fuck too hot to handle. Fuck, Bill Fender. I will come up with some shit that will make people literally throw up. Perfect match, though. But perfect match is coming back July 7th.

And I'm very, I'm Dutch July, June 7th. And I'm very excited for perfect match. Yeah. I also, have any of you guys watched, any of you guys, have either of you watched House of Villains, because I I think it's maybe on Peacock, but I think in order for me to watch it in bed,

we have to pay for it, and I just don't want to necessarily pay for a show that I don't know if it's actually good. House of Villains is all the reality TV villains in a house, so it's like New York, and yada, you know, on and onwards and on. That's the only villain I remember being on the show, but it's like, it's all the

standout assholes from all the different reality shows. You know what it is? And the reason now, it's got like, Larissa from 90-day Fiancee. My issue is that in some, which I find with some of these shows like this, is that I don't watch the world of reality. Yeah. So I don't know any of them. Like, again, I know like Larissa from 90-day Fiancee, but these are, this is a lot of people from like the Bachelor, Big Brother, Survivor, these are all shows that I don't watch. Yeah. So that would be the only thing that would keep me, although watching New York in a show, I'm usually down with. She, oh, by the way,

I think it's in that show. What? She fucking takes someone down so hard. I saw the- New York? Yeah, it's so funny. And I think, and she gets political, too, and just completely rips them a new asshole.

I forget what the scene is exactly. She's like on a competition, she's like being judged or something, and she just starts shitting all over the judge, like making fun of them. And then it's really cool. I would not want to be on the receiving end of anything from New York. No, New York.

When it comes to anger. We just finished the first season. of I love New York for my watchalong stream. We went, finished it last night. And it's so funny how much she, like, actively enjoys, like, screaming and violence. And, like, it's so funny when guys are, when a guy, like, the last episode was like,

girl, I don't want to fight, fight over you. And I don't want to be, like, yelling at this guy and all this stuff. And she's like, you don't want to fucking fight for me? You don't want to fucking throw down for it? Like, she's, like, so mad at the guy for, like, trying to be peaceful and kind. You know what I mean? And it's so funny.

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so much. God, wouldn't you love to do that? Don't I sound like the kind of person you want to help? Like, hit the button. Like, just do it. I don't know any of these people except New York, but shake from Love is Blind Season 2, the guy who kept asking. Yeah. Coded ways of trying to figure out if people were fat. If I can carry you at a concert. He's a great. He's a great, great villain. He was such a douchebag at the reunion as well, and everybody hated him. That's a great villain for the house for sure. Yeah. Yes. What, yeah, what do you got for us, Jackie? Now, this is nothing to do with reality, but I did end up watching the first, which, oh, how angry I was. I was so excited, man, last Thursday, Bridgerton was dropping. And I was like, fuck yeah, I've got two flights to take. I'm going to watch all of Bridgetton. This is going to be the best. It's only the first four. episode. It's only the first four. Give me all of it. But do you love it? Do you love it? Um, I love it. I love it. Um, I love it. I specifically love it just because I'm going through a huge, uh, Nicola Coughlin phase. Because you're watching dairy girls. Because I'm watching, because I'm watching dairy girls.

And I'm just completely enamored with her, especially watching her between dairy girls and Bridgeton. And all right. All I know is that the world is screaming about the sex scenes. But I think, by I say I think, I mean, I know we are getting these scenes in the second half of the season. Yeah, yeah. And I want it. They billed. It's always got to be appealed. It's like a female orgasm, you know what I mean?

It's like slow and boring. I will say, yes, please tell me more about the female orgasm. I think that, I love it. I'm always like, Holden, what is orgasm? You've all been tricked into wanting orgasms. What you should want is to be a housemaker and a mother. You know what I mean? But here's the thing is that I do want to be those things.

So I've got to let maybe, you know what? Maybe I heard the graduation speech and I was like, he's talking to me. I hear you, Butker. I'm ready to throw it all aside. Sorry, call back to the leftovers episode we did this week, by the way. Which if you're listening to Talk at TV on the day, it comes out. Leftovers and our big show haven't come out. Yeah, but we do talk about Harrison.

We're talking about the, asshole football guys' graduation speech. Of the graduation speech, but I am living for this Bridgerton season. And of course, I was just reading this article that someone was kind of ripping apart. Like, of course, the ideals, the beauty ideals from back then are actually very different from the days of today. And so things would actually be very different when it comes to, uh, the people that people are going after in these society realms. But I am, I love Nicola Coughlin. I love the love story that is brewing.

And there is, I mean, I think that anyone that has watched it, I did watch that last scene. And when it ended, I went, no, I do. And I was so angry because, man, I didn't care about making people uncomfortable while I watch very intense sex scenes on my tablet when I'm on the plane. I don't feel uncomfortable.

Maybe I did think about it a couple of times. Maybe I did have Jeff look over and go, whoa, a couple of times. But I, you know what? I like watching it in public. Makes me feel free. Question for Jackie. Yes. Should Lexi and I go back and finish season two?

Or should we just say no? Okay, so if season two is Boros-Norro, like when it felt it was? I thought I personally didn't like it. as much. But I like that they, like those characters are still involved and I love anything that you watch going out. Like, don't get me wrong. Love watching

them fuck. Right. But which you will get more of if you finish the second season. I know. But it's really nothing. Like, it's their new books. It's a new, it's, you know. I felt the loss of the rake. You know, I'll just I'll always feel the loss of the Duke. And yeah,

it just didn't match up. It just didn't I didn't think about it at all. But as someone that, which I love that a lot, like, I can only speak for my own experience as someone that has grown up in a plus size body and having the best friend that you're completely in love with and just thinking it's never going to happen between the two of us and the idea of that happening. Like, if I watched this season when I was 15 years old,

like, I think I would have exploded into a million pieces. Like, the fact that like there is a love story where the plus size girl gets her hot best friend. Like this is this is healing so much of inner Jackie right now watching it. That's why I don't know. I'm like, is this a great season or is it literally just for me? I don't know.

I've seen a lot of people post about this. And I've also seen people say there's like literally no other examples of this. No. Like just a romantic lead who has a bigger bias than most romantic. None of the issues, like the way it's written, it's not like, no, but she's big. Like, that's not, because like, again, beauty standards were different as well as, like, the fact that, like, that's not the character's issue is that she's awkward. It's not, like, she doesn't have the, like, social graces that a lot of the women of the age had. And, like, that's what makes her unwanted, not the fact that she is plus size.

Like, I liked it as nothing to do with that. I, because I mean, again, I'm not like that knowledgeable at the time period, but I know that like being larger in the past usually meant you had more money. You didn't have to go outside. You didn't have to work outside. Yeah, pale and plump. I mean, that's why now it's all tanned and fit and everything because a sign of having money is to be that now. But back in the day, if you were tanned and fit, that means you were working out in the fields all the time. and it was a sign that you wore poor.

So it's all this stuff, all this beauty ideal bullshit is based on class. It's all class. I do think it's funny because I didn't understand until I read this article and was like, that makes a lot of sense, that Bridgeton is weirdly getting slammed for the amount of Botox that the lead male has had.

Because there were moments that I was like, is he confused? And it's not that he's confused, is that he really just can't, use all of his face. And as someone that has used Botox before in the past, I completely understand. It's like that time I thought you were mad at me, but you had just gotten Botox. I just got too much Botox.

And I was like, no, my face is just like this. Well, I have a show. I ended up watching because of our Twitch stuff. That was, shout out Stephen Limerick started posting, donating for videos of Musbin Hotel. videos of musical numbers from Hasben Hotel. And I was like, this seems interesting. I want to check this out.

And I'd been seeing like subreddit, Hasbin Hotel subreddit stuff popping up every now and again on Reddit. So I was like, oh, this is becoming like a cultural zeitgeisty sort of thing. Very internet though, very like based in internet culture type of stuff. Hasbin Hotel is an animated show about a hotel in hell run by demons. And it's also full of musical numbers. and it's so it's like this dirty kind of I guess maybe I'd almost say

like kind of countercultory sort of like content wise like show with these characters that are interesting and you know gender fluid and things like that kind of feeling very modern in these ways but it's and it's very dirty and then also there's like very musical theater style musical numbers in it like and I'm totally a sucker for it

I think people were saying in chat, I was talking about it on my stream last night, and people were saying, you know, it's a little too random with a zero for me, which I totally get that sentiment. I think I am a great lover of Invader Zim from back in the day, and I think that's what makes it, like, not unpalatable for me. It kind of reminds me of that. It's kind of like Invader Zim, if Vader Zim was allowed to be for the audience that Jonah Vasquez probably would have, you know, been able to play to an adult audience.

You know what I mean? There's like plenty of cursing and dark subject matter. Yeah, so it is made for, it's made for adults. It's full on adult. It's full on adult. Hell yeah. F bombs and it's totally it for adults. Yeah.

But then all, and then also they just break into these like over the top musical numbers. I really like the color palette of it. I really like the animation of it. It almost kind of feels too like Invader Zim meets like My Little Pony almost, like with the way some of them are designed. It's very fresh. feeling to me very fun to watch.

But which is interesting to say because it definitely there's like trigger warning stuff in it. They get into dark subject matter. And I've only seen a couple episodes, but I'm like totally on board. I just immediately am a sucker for the musical numbers and think that like it's like really fun in that way. But definitely an acquired taste. You have to like musicals, like dark subject matter with comedy, like this kind of animation.

not mind a little bit of random with the zero type stuff. So I get why it's a very divisive show, but the people who are a fan are fans. Hell yeah. And that's what's making it, I think, like a big deal right now because I think there's just the people who like it, like it. And then everyone else is like, not my cup of tea. Yeah.

You know? Okay. That's great. Yeah, it's my wreck. And it's on Amazon Prime, too. And the series, it's in the same, set in the same world as Hasbin Hotel. is called Hell of a Boss, and that's on YouTube. And this is apparently, the reason, you know,

the reason why this exists is, like, based on, like, a GoFundMe and a very, like, homegrown audience thing on the internet. And so that's why such a unique thing can exist and get really popular. This is definitely not, like, this definitely didn't come out of any kind of corporate machine. You know what I mean?

This is very, like, again, acquired taste. and I think that's great. Yeah, that's awesome. I love hearing about stuff like that. It's cool. What have you been checking out, MJ? Well, we shouldn't have ended with me because I watched the... Oh, I've got...

Don't worry. I've got other things to talk about. Don't you worry. Yeah, I've got one more thing, too. So don't you worry. Okay, good. Well, there's not that much to say about it. It's definitely worth watching if you are okay with being upset.

Massive, massive, massive content note. Is it about like what happened or is it like is it like a like is it from the beginning? Like what? I just know that it's called Spacey unmasked and that I've seen the heading for it. That's literally all I know about it. It is. So I've only seen the first episode of the series. But the first episode is basically 10 men who have all had different experiences being harassed or more by Kevin Spacey.

nine of whom I think had never spoken publicly before. All of whom are not the four men who were part of the trial. So it's just one of the, it's like, it's one of these where you're like, I just can't believe. I mean, we've had enough of these like documentaries that show what serial predation looks like that it shouldn't be shocking. But it's one of these where you're just like, how the fuck? Like 10 people who aren't even, we know that that's not even close to all of them. And it's this, you know, extremely consistent pattern of behavior. And also they interview Kevin Spacey's sibling, who talks a lot about the extremely

fucked up childhood they had. And I actually can't believe that Kevin Spacey's sibling agreed to be part of the project. So it is really fascinating. It's definitely like what's going, like, how did this happen type of situation. But it is very much in line with. other stories we've seen about the way that serial predators work. Very upsetting, but also very well done. Oh, my God.

I am reading some of the revelations that have come from Spacey Unmasked, and this is a difficult documentary to watch. You're going to want to really only watch it if you're okay with being extremely upset. This is very, yes, very upset. I need you to know very upset. It was like when I just kept remembering when I was watching Baby Ranger and you were like, trigger wording, multiple trigger warnings. It's like that.

It's like, you know what? We're gonna give multiple trigger warnings for this one. I'm starting personally, like, I tried to start, I tried to watch like the Army Hammer thing and just was like, I'm just not in the mood for this. I'm starting to, in general question, like, my own personal need to put myself through what I know. Like, what is the draw here?

Like, what do you think you're getting out of, like, watching the Kevin Spacey thing? Like, do you need to just know that he's a piece of shit so you can, like, write him off forever? No, I hear you on that whole. And I also question, it's not that I question the value in a way because I do think that it is basically illuminative to see how somebody could do this and get away with it, right? And I think that's why there's value. But I don't think that you need to.

Because I will say, I will also add to that, I do think back in the day when that New York Magazine article came out with all of the women coming forth with their stories about Bill Cosby, I sat and I read every single one of those stories and felt, It was like something I needed to do. Right, right. So I could deep down in my soul never, you know, just completely fucking write that guy off for the rest of my life and like never even have an ounce of like, but himself, it's a good album. You know what I mean? Just like literally needed to just put a dead. Cut it off. Deadbolt on that person as like an entity in my life and comedy and stuff like that.

I think, yeah. Yeah. I think that like the Michael Jackson documentary, similar, like incredibly valuable, but also, you don't need to watch that if it's not, if it's, if it's too upsetting. Like Army Hammer, I was like, you cannot handle it's okay. Army Hammer, it's kind of the same with Kevin Spacey, uh, even, you know, maybe less so than Army Hammer. I'm just like, I don't give a fuck about art. Like at the end of the day, like, I don't need to watch call me by your name again or whatever. Like, I don't know.

I just, I don't like, I can just know. that he's horrible and like move for move on so it's just sometimes you want to actually a kind of a segue into um i want i want jackie to go next though i want to know what you what you had in your list but it kind of a segue into the ashley madison doc i started watching before we get to that jacky what do you got for us um i mean in the opposite realm of both of the things that you're discussing i started watching zillow gone wild oh shit because i am i don't know if you guys follow zillow gone wild on instagram i love it followed them i love so now they've turned the Instagram account into a show hosted by Jack McBrayer.

And it is exactly what it is just Jack McBrayer being a delight, looking at really weird houses, just being like, whoa, that's really crazy. And it's just all big, dumb houses. And they talk to the people who bought the houses and like why they bought them. But like the idea of it is that like all of these houses are up for sale. so it's all people that are trying to get rid of these insane houses. Oh my God, that sounds fantastic. Did you watch? It's just great.

It's just a little, like I said, the opposite of what you guys are talking about. Just little, little bites and the episodes are currently coming out, I believe, weekly. It is on HGTV, but I'm watching it on Max. And it was a perfect show when I needed like an hour and a half of plain filler. so that I could just watch something, and it was great. Have you guys seen, I feel like we've talked about it before, ugliest house in America? You've told us about it, but it seems like it's a very similar with RETA, right?

Yep, and it's a kind of a competition show. Each episode she visits, I think, like three or four horrible houses, and the winner gets like a full makeover. So you also get another part of the show is you get to watch one of the houses get like totally redone and made into. a not horrible house, you know? And it's always funny because they always have a

backstory, right? Like, I remember there was this one house that was like, it was like a strip club owner or something like that or something. It was just this dirt baggy, they were like stripper pulled. It was just all like cocaine and mirrors everywhere. And, you know, it's just this weird. Yeah, there's always like such a funny,

you know, the house tells like a story too, which is always fun of like the previous owner. You know? I love house shows. I love all types of house shows. regular earnest house shows. So I think a fun entertaining house show with Jack McBerairar sounds fucking awesome. And also this one that you're talking about

sounds great too, Holden. I love it. Yeah, and that is also, I think, on Max. And it seems like... Mocks. Yeah, well, they're doing the whole, like, taking over TLC kind of thing. And honestly, on a plane, too,

especially like, oh, you give me seven episodes of House Hunters International. Uh-huh. Uh, let me see how they live. I always watch Leviter listed on the plane. Oh, it makes you feel alive. It makes you really watch and go, oh, I'm never going to be able to afford any of these things. Oh, good.

Good to know. Well, if you want to feel... So excited. If you want to feel alive, you should definitely cheat on your spouse. That's right. Ashley Madison, sex lies and scandal, I believe. I think if you don't know the story, it is the craziest fucking internet story of, you know, a website, literally based on a dating website where it is people trying to cheat on their spouses with

each other. Insane that anyone would think this would be like definitely safe and secure. And then of course it was it was a part of one of the biggest hacking events in history. And all of these people's personal information got out and everybody got found out as like a cheater. I think it's as a person who literally, I was talking about this with Lexi last night. I'm like, I've never cheated. I've been cheated on. I have that's one like thing I have a clean record on. I'm very proud of that. I've never been tempted to cheat. I've always, so it always fascinates me. Stories of infidelity always greatly, greatly fascinate me, you know, and this is totally

that. They've got interviews with people who were involved, who were like a part of the website, who were like trying to cheat on their spouses, in other words. You've got people, the people who ran the website, all interviews and stuff, and they give you the full, it's like a multi-episode deal. We only watched most of episode one, so I'm not fully in, but I'm already hooked. I was like stayed up too late watching it last night because hell yeah it's great it's so crazy like I can't believe it existed it was such a specific era of like social media and like internet bullshit you know I only know it because of the Duggers because of Josh Dugger and like that that's was a huge part of a lot of the scandal which what a piece of shit it was so funny too

because the guy was like the guy they're interviewing who cheated on his wife using the site he was like you know I was just uh you know I think that what the slogans like I forget this, like it was kind of like bored. You should cheat on your wife. He's like, I saw the slogan and I just thought, oh, maybe this would be like interesting. And I saw, he like tries to make it sound like he like fell into this website. Like he tripped and fell into a profile on Ashley Madison.

Oh my God. You absolutely wanted to cheat on your wife with multiple women. And worked really hard to do it. Like really, really hard. Yeah. So I am way into it. And I haven't even gotten to the hacking stuff, which I can't wait to get to. That's what makes the story so good.

This is great. Hell yeah. This has nothing to do with TV, but I will say I played a board game over the weekend that I really enjoyed. And I wanted to tell everyone about mixtape massacre. Mix tape massacre is like a group game where you can either play as the survivors of a horror movie or you can play as the slasher's. Or if you have a bunch of people, you can play the survivors trying to. to make it through the night against multiple slasher's. Cool.

And it has a million like other horror movie references in it. It was like as someone that does not play games, it was fun to watch like four people in the group like sit and try and figure out and understand all of the rules before sitting with everybody else to try and explain it. Because like I don't have the brain to understand the rules by reading through it, but some people do have that brain. And it's just a lot. But once you start playing and once you get it,

we had so much fun that in my brain, I was like, it was worth the like, because I think all of those crazy, right? Holden, like all of those crazy board games have like such a ridiculous learning group. That's always the joke. It's like, hey, come over and play this board game. But can you get here four hours early

so we can explain all of the rules? And then after that we'll play the board game. It's such a frustrating part of that process, but I love a really good board game experience, you know? Yeah, that's the part where I check out, but maybe I should give it a try. Honestly, just because it was genuinely scary because I was playing as one of the survivors and you're being hunted. And like if you get like, if they catch up with you, you have to like throw down, like, just depending on what you've got.

But it's like they were all genuinely like creepy slasherers that they were. all across the board of like what kind of murderer they would be. And it was just for someone that loves horror movies and I was with a bunch of people that also loved horror movies. It really, uh, and this is coming from someone again who hates games. I really enjoyed it. Well, hell yeah. Uh, is that it for the docket? Should we, should we call this thing?

Let's get the heck out of here, y'all. All right. Let's sing the song. Thanks everybody for joining. We'll be back next week. Me, me, me. We're talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie talking TV. And you know it's going to get a wacky.

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