Page 7 - Talkin' TV - This is The Boomer Hour

Episode Date: May 8, 2024

This week Holden, MJ and Jackie discuss their disappointment with the AI reveal on The Circle, then abandon all hope as they enter the MILF Manor (season 2), the bathroom hot mic moment comes back with H E A T in The Jinx (season 2) and Jackie is sent out to that terrible Planet of the Apes.  The Circle - NetflixMILF Manor (S2) - SPOILER ALERT 'BOUT 17:10 TIL 23:34 - MAXXX The Jinx: The Life and Deaths of Robert Durst (S2)- MAXXXPlanet of the Apes ('68 and all 3 2010's remakes)- HuluAbigail - IN THE THEATAHSChallengers - IN THE THEATAHSDerry Girls - Netflix Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

With M.J. Holden, MJ and Jack. Talking TV. And you know it's going to get wacky. Because everybody knows what everyone knows. Everybody knows. Everybody knows. We're watching shows. We're talking TV with MJ Holden and Jackie.

What's up? Let's fucking talk some TV. It's so much shit to get into. Man, we are out here on these streets watching some TV. You're watching TV on a street somewhere? What's going on? watching that through a window. That's what my phone is for, Holden.

I bring my phone with me places, and I sit in the middle of the street, and I say, come at me, Bumpa, come at me. Dude, it reminds me. Remember, there was a time, you know, that people don't remember, children who are listening, that you don't remember, people would just, like, watch the TVs in the window, display window of an electronic store, you know, if there was like a big game or event or something going on, they just puddle around it. Yeah, that's, that did it.

happen at one point back when we had to walk to school up to you both ways yes I do horrible for us the amount of times that I tell my children like you especially when we're in hotels I'm like you cannot when I was a kid I could not choose what was on I just had to watch what was on and so when we're in a hotel that doesn't have streaming I'm like they don't understand you don't have a choice you don't have a choice you just have to watch what's on and it's always SpongeBob the only thing that Nickelodeon seems to put on on its daily programming, but that's fine. But hey, at least it's SpongeBob and not. At least it's SpongeBob.

I mean, come on. I used to just be, I would just watch the guy sell a bunch of knives for hours. I know. I would love. I'd watch it. And I would seriously consider it. Okay. But this time, that's like a lot of fucking knives, bro.

Like, this is crazy. I am a mark. It cuts through all the cans. Oh, my God. I am a mark for a kitchen infomercial product. If you let me watch one right now, I would watch it. And I would be like, I would always go to my parents. And I'd be like, look at.

this device. Saladin. It will make a cake in 10 seconds. MJ, why are you drooling? Yeah, like, why are you, you're like shaking and drooling? Half weeks. Let me watch it. No, honestly,

it kind of boggles my mind the fact that all these streaming services are now doing so many live things that I was like, isn't that what we got away from? When it came to cable? Isn't that what we leaned away from? I know.

And also, this is the boomer hour with holding up Jay Jackson. Boom or hour. All the streaming services now have so many ads. It's like I'm watching TV. Ah! Yeah. We're back to TV.

We came right all the way back around to cable. It's the funniest thing. We're just totally back in. We're just back to cable. But that said, the streamers are alive with content. Where do we begin? We've got the Circle, Milf Manor season two. The Roast of Tom Brady.

I mean, I guess we kind of already covered that on our episode proper. But, yeah. I think we got to start with either the Circle or Milf Man. Let's do the circle. Let's start with the circle. Let's start with the circle. So you guys are, where are you guys at? I am three episodes out from being cut up, which actually brings us to the, almost the final episode. I didn't even realize that. So episode 13, which will be available tomorrow is the finale. I may actually get caught up tonight. It's date night. All we do on date night now is binge the circle and eat a really good meal and knack. So I'm pretty excited to get through. But I think we already discussed a little. Do we discuss a little? Do we discuss a little? the whole like a i thing on into a microphone we certainly did oh yeah i missed that episode because i got a lot of feelings about the

AI thing but we did we were so so to rehash or at least a little bit of what we had discussed last time because mj was not with us we were talking about because this is right when the i dropped this was just the first series like this first three or four episodes because last week we didn't have a talking tv so it was right when they had first introduced the AI so

we were excited about it. But then we watched as like, I like the idea. Holden and I were both pro it. But then they released who was the AI so quickly and they could have done so much more with it. Interesting. And they did. I was very anti. Yeah. I was anti-AI the entire time. And not just why why anti, hit us, hit us. Not just because, you know, anti. The controversy. Yeah, I'm anti. I'm scared with the robots. I'm anti in the sense of the controversy. In this, in the world of the circle, I was anti- and here's why. Because the interesting thing about the circle is everyone trying to figure out if someone is a catfish or not, which also let's let us remember that the premise of the

circle is already, I think, a little bit muddled because the point is to just win the game by being like, you know, like popular. And then also there's the whole, are you a catfish or not? And it's kind of irrelevant. But so I feel like already it's a little bit muddled. Like is this show about being a catfish or is that just something that happens on the show? I would also, I'd like to add to that. It's about trust, MJ. I think it's also, but you can't be too popular. Yes. If you get too popular, they all are playing a game so they don't want to like let someone just be popular enough to win.

So there's all the strategy going on. Totally. I'm just saying, I guess what I mean when I say the premise is muddled is that the premise of the show isn't find the catfish. Right. But sometimes they act like the premise of the show is find the catfish, right? But the catfish is just part of the experience of the show. And I feel like what's cool about the circle in the past is, like when the spice girls came in, right?

And they were catfish. It was like, what's cool about it is it's a study of like human behavior, human communication, even though everybody's communicating like they're on social media, which is annoying. It's like you're trying to figure out like, it's hashtag annoying, please, circle send. It's like you're trying to figure out like, is this really what a 60 year old Italian mother would talk like? And I think that that's what's fun about it. And so the whole AI episodes, it was like three or four episodes and everybody just spent the entire time trying to figure out if it was the AI.

And I feel like what was lost in it is like, how do different types of people talk? How do humans talk? And I don't think the way AI talks is interesting, right? Because it's just, it's not. And yet, he did confuse the other players who didn't know who the AI was, which I dare say, I hear what you're saying, but I flip it because I think it's so interesting that like they were so busy trying to find which one did

sound human that they were completely missing the idea of the game. That he does sound human. Yeah, that he does sound human. So I completely, so that's why I completely hear what you're saying because I saw it just from the other side of it that I was like, oh, it's kind of fun because then they're trying to poke holes in a different way rather than how they used to. I've seen so many seasons of it that at first I agreed. I was like, fuck this.

There's an AI. But once they revealed there's an AI and it became a short, like a temporary game of Weirwolf. Like trying to suss out the fake and the, you know, the fakes of the fake. I thought made for really actually interesting TV. And I would even say if I felt like they pulled the element out of the game almost just a touch too early. But I do like that they pulled it, that they didn't keep that as like the running thing for the whole game. It does alter the game too much.

Also, I would have thrown it out there. So it's so interesting about the circle. You know, you could also even say sometimes the real people are faker than the cat. That's the other thing. I feel like even in the time since we've been watching The Circle, and even in the time since we've been talking about reality TV on this show, something has happened. And it seems the most abundantly clear in this season of the Circle where there is like a formula for,

and I'm sorry, I'm going to sound like such an old cranky, again, boomer hour. But like, there is a formula for how people talk and how they do their gestures and how they go, oh, girl. And there's a fakeness to it. And obviously people have been fake for as long as we've all been alive. But like there is a certain cadence, a certain, like, it is like an AI. It's like, when I greet people, I talk like this. When drama happens, I talk like this.

When I'm talking about gossip, I call it tea. And it's like, you really, it feels so fake. And it upsets me that, like, young people are just, I feel like social media is programming people to have this like certain type of performative, very surface level cadence of talking. Oh yeah. That feels so disingenuous. And I'm not saying all people talk like this. Obviously these are people who want to be on a reality show.

So they're practicing that cadence. You know what I mean? But it just feels like it's like the way that I picture this in my head is like it started with like how Kim Kardashian talks. And then it was like it's like how Francesca talks. Yes. And then now it's like how all these girls on the circle talk, which is they're just, just like, and not only the girls, the boys, too, I don't mean to gender it like that,

but there's just this like, hi, I'm talking like a person making a TikTok. Right. No, I will say, I feel like the more genuine connections which create the more, the stronger alliances are when they actually start to get real. And you can tell the difference. You can tell the difference when someone's sharing a personal story about something that happened in their life. Although, who was the person who was like overdoing that? And everyone was like, all right, we get it. You had a hard time. No, but then you saw the connection between Kyle and Olivia when they're talking about the, like, the passing of their father. Yes.

And, like, that actual connection, I immediately get sucked in. It made me really enjoy both of these people. And I was like, oh, now I'm rooting for both of you. Totally. But also, can we just say, Jordan, I'm just like, I want to, like, I'm, like, okay, you're trying, we get it. You're trying to be, like, the bad one. Like, you're annoying and you're annoying. and you're annoying everybody.

I don't even think he knows he's being the bad one. And it was so funny, I was so happy to get to say to Alexi. Because I was watching Alexi and she was like, I think I fucking hate Jordan. I was like, that's so funny because Jackie just told me how much she hates Jordan. I hate Jordan. And also we're all the same page. I hate the idea of like, I want everyone to see this dump that I used to be.

And they're going to love this dog. Like, I hate how he's talking about it. I hate, and like, I'm sorry, dude, if you really. feel that way about yourself, go fucking talk to somebody about it. Because, like, I hate how he was like, everyone's going to love, like, the nice guy I used to be, because now I'm a fucked twat. Because I, like, it's just a piece of shit. Whoa.

Whoa, Jackie. Whoa. See, I at first said it. My initial, that's, I'm so glad to hear your perspective on this, Jackie. I was looking forward to hearing what you thought about this. My initial thought about him was that the fact that he's like, people treated me, people had certain expectations of me when I was in a certain body. And he's not wrong.

Right. Like he was like, they didn't think I was threatening. They thought I was just like a fun guy. They didn't, they, they, they, they, I was like a neutral. You know, I wasn't a threat because people saw me as this type of person because of the size of my body. And I thought that that was just an interesting like, what if, if people think that I'm in this type of body, people will relate to me in a different way. And I thought that was interesting. highlight, right? Yes. To me what annoys me more than that is just the fact, I'm glad someone

finally called it out where they just went, hey, you can't just like come in and just constantly demand information. Yeah, that is weird. Like, we don't even fucking know you, dude. Like, he just like, he just plays the game like a fucking is. And he's just, you know, lying about everything where it's like, bro, like, it was like genuinely upsetting me that I know that I should, but I was like, stop lying. Stop lying. Yeah. Play the game. But then he's like, but then that's the thing. As I, of course, I was watching this stoned out of my gourd on the plane. So I'm getting upset and I kept wanting to like lean over to Jeff to be like,

and then he's safe, but like he's not doing that. And Jeff was like it sounds like I mean, he's probably playing the game more than anyone's playing the game. I hate that. I want them to be nice. But this is, Gideon keeps making fun of me for how much I love Miles, which is the machine gun Kelly look alike. I didn't think I would and now I love it.

Yeah. Well, Miles, anybody who's being real as fuck, like in that initial game they played where he was the only one who was like, yeah, I'm a dirtbag in, you know, whatever. Like that immediately made me be like, like him the most because he's real. And that's the thing.

And I, like, what I was saying before about the fake cadence that everybody has, the fake performative cadence, I feel like what's, again, what's fun and interesting about the circle and about reality shows, and the thing I don't love about this season of the circle is that what makes reality shows fun to watch

is when you find normal people who are as charismatic as celebrities or close, right? Like that Francesca is like, she is a magnet. Like she is just charismatic. You just want to watch her. And she just has it, right? And I feel like a lot of these other people in the circle this season, they're just borough, snoro.

They talk like an interesting person. They have, they know how to like talk like someone who's confident, but they're so boring. And I feel like Miles... Are you talking about Lauren right now? I'm talking about, yeah. I can't even remember their... her names. The Southern girl and the other girl, I think her name is Lauren. They're forgettable.

They're eminently forgettable. Whereas I feel like, right, Miles, yes, he looks like a douchebag, but he does seem to be a genuine and charismatic and real person. And that's what I want in a reality show. I want charisma. When you put up somebody, oh, nothing makes me matter. That's why I don't love Olivia. I'm like, you are too, you are a sweet little guy here, but you are not confident enough to be on a reality show. I'm worried about your psyche. You know, like, I want to, you. I really. Who said it? What are you guys? A charismatic people.

Every time we see him, it looks like he's just been crying. Yes, I'm like, I'm so worried about him. Like, he's got to be really upset. I mean, maybe he's fine, whatever. But I just, he doesn't seem like he has a strong core of confidence, you know? I don't think a lot of these people do. They're just shells of people trying to be on reality. And I feel like Lauren's just like accidentally, like, seeming like she's playing all these games,

but really she just seems to like not be good at playing this game. I get what it was literally said that it was like, someone was like, and you better watch out for all the like the barracudas that are out there. And then she just went, I don't think of my thing. And it's like, bitch,

we ain't talking about you. Yes. Like no one's talking. Like no one cares about you. Yeah. Yes. Yes. And the same thing.

Yeah. The, well, I care about Lauren. I care about you. Do you want to. Is that okay? Interesting. It's because you want to kiss.

You just want to kiss. If she's just listening, I'm just saying, I think, I'm a Twitch streamer. I'm married, though, so know that, for sure. We have to stop much boundaries here. I'm definitely seen that at the gate.

I'm super married. You seem like an asshole, but I also want to kiss you. But no, I don't even want to kiss. Miles. I just enjoy some moments that you've had in the show. Wow. You are the only person I've ever heard of this. You're talking about the picture, that one picture that you won the nonier or nice picture?

He's doing the naughty or nice picture. I don't know. I wouldn't remember that part. That picture came up on. I wouldn't remember that part at all. Yeah, you wouldn't remember it. At all, man. I know Miles is certainly remembering it.

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Ooh, we would love it if you did that. Oh, that would help us out so much. God, wouldn't you love to do that? Don't I sound like the kind of person you want to help? Like, hit the button. Like, just do it. But I'm mad because they have, like, really strung out the circle because there's one episode tomorrow. And then I think that, I don't know if it's their talk back next week.

I think that there's one other episode. Okay. That is coming out. And I eat it up, man. I'm going to be sad when it's done. It's just the most, like, it is comfort food. It is, there's like, you know, there's stakes, but we don't really feel them that hard, you know. There were some moments, though.

there was some suck-in moments, definitely what's your name, the other Southern girl, when she got kind of thrown under the bus, hilariously enough, idiotically by Lauren, who just, I don't know what the fuck she was thinking when she first voted for her to whatever. But anyways, yeah, that was, you know, there's been some kind of, oh, shit moments,

but for the most part, it is just... Yeah, Lauren, that's the forgettable bitch I'm talking about. Yeah, it's just the most... She's so forgettable. It's just the most comforting show ever. And, you know, but I'm not right. I'm not completely disgusted enough, like some other reality shows out there.

That's right. Milf Manor Season 2, we only have a couple episodes, right? Oh, yeah. There's only two out. I've only started the first, so we can't get too into... Do you know the twist? Okay, so I think I know the twist because I think I've seen it online. So can we talk about the twist?

Spoiler alert. All right, spoilers for Milf Manor season 2, but also we're talking about Milf Manor season 2. So if you're like a weirdo about that, I don't know if the lore is going to be so earth-shattering for you. Maybe actually, if you're like, ew, you know, about Milf Manor or whatever,

this actually might pique. Which I understand. Yeah, this is disgusting. This is the most vile thing I watch. This reminds, like, if I could compare Milf Manor to anything, I'd probably compare it to human centipede. And, like, waiting for the twist to happen was me waiting for, like, the human synopee to be, like, revealed.

And the human centipede, and Milf Manor, season two, is different from season one. Season one was moms and their actual sons all together. And you realize, because I'm watching, and I'm looking at all these mothers, and then all the little boys arrive, and then you realize they're not saying, that's my son. And so they do kind of roll out the twist in an interesting way. You're like, wait a minute.

That's not your son. I had no idea. I didn't see it coming, which in hindsight, I'm like, how did I not see this coming? But yes, they bring out a bunch of hot young studs. And I would say, too, like more appropriate. like the men, the boys in the first season were just so, it made no sense. Like they were so boyish. It was only like one or two that was like at all.

I mean, they're still 20, some or 21. They're young, but I feel like they still chose a little bit better where I'm not like actively disgusted. Yes, there was a kid on milkman who was like actually just too young. The boy, Joe. The boy. The boy. The child.

I was so gross. It was not okay. It was really inappropriate. But his mom was a lot of fun. in this one it's Milf's and the young men... Did I ever tell you that I saw April Jane and the Starbucks close to my house? She's in our fucking hood, dude.

Lexi also saw her. She's in our fucking hood, bro. At a coffee shop, I believe at the same Starbucks. Anyways, the young men are brought out all the ladies are salivating and then later on the episode, all of their dads show up. And it's so funny and fun to watch.

See, this I'm here for... This is better to me. This is better. This is better. You know what it is? It's more palatable. Yes. I can handle you as long as like it's not your son, stooping the girl next to you.

Okay. But like, but then how is it going to play out? That's, yeah. When you're trying to bang daddy and son. Yeah. Right. At the same time. That's the thing.

I initially, and again, keep in mind, I've only just gotten to the reveal that it's not their sons. And so I initially, I want to be like, okay, thank God. they're not the mother's sons. We can all take it. We can let our shoulders drop. We can take a deep breath. It's not their sons. I was a little sad, but yeah, go on.

See, but I'm also here for like any kind of older dating show. I'm here. Yeah, older men. I want to watch it. Like, I want to watch it. I'm so, because like, it's just who you are and what you want to change is so drastically as you get older that, like, I think it would. be so much fun to watch more old, like give us more golden bachelors. I want to watch it.

Definitely. Give me more reality shows where it's a bunch of people in an old folks home that we follow and we get the tea and we find out who's fucking who. Absolutely. I want those shows. I do have one request for Milf Manor, which is can you please not continue to cast people who have only recently experienced terrible traumas. Yes. Okay, because I don't want that in my reality show. I'll do you one worse, MJ. I'll do you one way worse. One of the father's son situations is the son had cut his dad out of his life. No. And now they're living together in the same room.

Yes. Oh my God. It's immediately very yucky. This is the thing. I'm like at first I'm like, well at least the mothers aren't going to be trying to fuck next to their sons. But the idea of a father and a son competing for the same woman. Who are estranged.

Who are estranged. That's upsetting. And is it last? upsetting to have a father and a son competing over a woman, or is it less upsetting to have women competing over each other's sons? Oh, it's all upset. I think it's immediately, it's immediately less upsetting, but if anyone's worried about not having any writhing in bed and disgust moments, very quickly on, they set them up for it. They have the sons and do a group striptease, and then the dads do a group striptease. And the sons are watching the dads, and the dads are watching the sons. Yeah, MJ, why aren't you smiling? So they do still, we still get our human centipede action in it, but it's not as vile, I think inherently, as mothers and sons.

But again, I feel like I would have been less eeked out by the mothers and sons things even if like the sons weren't so like cherubic and boyish. If all of the sons had been over 30, it would have been a different show. Totally. That would have been fine. you know, but that there was, the sons were too young. There's still a 21. But now, yeah, there's a 22 year old.

They're still young, but at least like even the younger ones aren't like, you look like actually like a child that has not fully groated to his body. You know what to be like? I don't, there's no one on the show where I'm like, who like the way that that that kid had me in that first. I can't believe they got renewed first. I know. Can we, did you guys talk about that already? I can't believe that.

It is a shock. especially given how inappropriate and viscerally horrifying season one was. I know there is like a, I think it's like an edipole thing, right? Like I'm having like a mother's aren't supposed to fuck their sons. Type of response. Oh, yes. Maybe I'm like, I don't know.

And I feel like I need to have like a Freudian therapy session just to unpack why I'm less immediately upset about a father and a son competing for each other against the same woman than I am about a mother trying to fuck her son's peer. But whatever is going on, it'll really take you down a little. journey while you're watching, and I don't know if that's what you want, but it's what we're going to be doing. I just can't wait for them to hand out the clubs at the beginning of episode three, where they bash her over the head and just drag her into one of the rooms.

So if you can keep her in the cage of your room long enough, you can have her. Is what I hear, that's how you win Melfmanners season two. So, you know, I can't wait to watch it happen. Speaking of something I was really surprised to get a season two, I do want to briefly talk about The Jinks Season 2, which did come out. I don't know if you're familiar to The Jinks, the story of Robert Durst. I think that what's so fascinating about the show, and especially what makes season two fascinating?

Because I was like, what is this going to be? Like, it felt like such a mic drop final moment. Does it pick up, like, right after the first one? This is the cool thing. So the show, you know. MJ, did you see the first jinks? Oh, yeah. So, season one of the jinks, everybody kind of knows.

The show actually ended up playing. a huge part in Robert Durst getting, you know, taken, incarcerated, you know? So what's crazy about season two, it's almost like the author wrote himself in his own novel. It's like some Kervonaga shit. Like the show becomes a part of the story. Like the director is like now a part of how Durst ends up in prison. And there's some really cool, I don't know if cool, sorry, fascinating shit. One of it is we have full video recordings of Durst talking to like,

his colleagues and whoever, his people that were still fucking aiding and abetting him in prison. You get full conversations. He knows he's being watched. He's like talking to the FBI investigator or whatever. And it's really interesting. Another one is they bring everybody together. The director gets like all the, a bunch of the victims, like family members of the victims, different people who worked on the case, all these people who did like interviews for season one.

he films them all together in this one, like, apartment or this one house or whatever, and do a live watch. It's a live react of that final moment in that final episode of season one. And that is mind-blown. That is, like, amazing television. Like, you're watching all these people go, like, holy shit. And what I'm referring to, if you don't know, you know, he goes into the bathroom, and he essentially fucking killed them all.

Yeah, he's just talking. He doesn't remember that he has a live mic on. Yeah, so he's just like talking to himself and basically confesses on it. And everyone's just, it's a fucking incredible moment. And so what's cool about season two is kind of like the order side of law and order episode. It's them building the case, bringing in the witnesses, like putting the whole thing together to like finally take him down.

I didn't even realize. Hell yeah. It's great. I was, because I was like, are they just going to be like, you know, stretching this out. Stretching this out. And also, I mean, it wasn't that long ago, but that felt like a very different time in television.

It was like, that was at a time when, talk about streaming, streaming was like a little bit newer, and it still felt like there was one thing that everybody was watching, you know? Yeah, that was more of a monoculture moment. Everyone, especially by the final episode, like everyone was watching the jinx. Everybody was watching it.

And then it was the most, like, satisfying final episode of a true crime documentary, I think you could possibly have. Right. You know, it was like crazy. 2015, right. Because remember, this is so interesting to think about because, yeah, House of Cards, I just learned that the boom, boom, boom noise on Netflix when you log into Netflix is from House of Cards.

Oh. But House of Cards was the first streaming show on Netflix. And that was just 2013. Wow. And in some ways, you know, we did a 2013 rewind. We, in some ways, 2013 feels like a very, very, very long time ago. Yes. And otherwise, to me, it feels like yesterday.

But 2015 doesn't seem like so, so long ago, but it really was, it was a completely different landscape and specifically a streaming landscape. And so there was something for me about thinking about a Jynx season two where it was almost like you can't recreate that. You can't recreate what that was. But it sounds like what you're saying, Holden is that there is still a really, really fascinating part of the story to tell.

And new characters coming into play. There's this one major player who's a guy, who like was best friends with him all throughout their like, their, you know, early adult years and stuff like that. He flips. He starts doing on camera. And also I forgot what a compelling character. Oh my gosh.

Just watch. And to get the live, like, that's why the prison stuff, his voice is so weird. It's so weird. I don't get it. He's such a weird. But you can't stop watching, which is why I think, like, I remember specifically starting the jinks

before knowing what happens with it. And I was like, who cares? And then I was so wrapped up into who this man is. Yes. Because you're just so, like, disgusted by him and his presence even before you know anything about him. Yes. Oh, man.

What a, what a, totally. It is bringing me back because I, the experience of watching The Jinks was like, it was unlike any kind of collective documentary watching experience that I had had up until then. But yeah, it was a very, very different media landscape. But now I'm like completely hooked. You have me totally sold, hold it.

You'll get sucked right back as if you never stopped. Oh, that's great. That's great news. Man, speaking of getting sucked in, yeah, I'm talking about the monkey universe. I'm bringing up the monkey universe that I got wrapped up into because here's a thing, right? You know Jeff and I go see almost every single movie in the movie theater. And we have been seeing the trailer for the next. Planet of the Apes movie coming out. And finally, I looked over to Jeff and I said, you know what, confession, I've never seen any of the Planet of the Apes movies. And so Jeff was like,

would you like to start the journey? And I said yes. So we started in 1968, y'all. Now here's the thing. I, the first Planet of the Apes, of course, you know, you're aware of the twist in the very end. I think that everyone knows what happens in the movie Planet of the Apes. I thought that it was going to be really schlocky and very laughable. It's a very good movie. It's genuinely a very good movie. And I also thought that the reboot of the movies, so I didn't watch the second or the third,

which we're going to, of the original trilogy. But Jeff did say that, like, the newer reboot is also really good. And I was like, the one with James Franco. And he's like, yes. So we started it on. a Saturday morning, and then we watched all three of the newer reboot movies as well. And you know what? They're all great.

And now I'm so prepared for this new movie, I thought that they were bad movies. But turns out they're good movies. No, they're good movies. The only problem, my problem is that I just can't think about anything except the Simpsons version of Planet of the A's. Of course, Degas. I just as a music. I hate every eight by sea from chimpanzee. of all the things that I don't know about The Simpsons,

I do happen to know that. I think you're crazy. I want a second opinion. You're also crazy. I just can't. It's like so many things about 80s and 90s culture, I learned about it first from The Simpsons and then saw the movie. And so that kind of shaped.

So I also thought it was kind of like a laughable project. But yeah, I mean, I love a really good old futuristic dystopian, tail. And the monkey acting is really fucking good. Yeah. And like the fact that like the practical making of the monkeys originally very good. Yeah. And now the digital making the monkeys very good. So wait, yeah. The remake, the initial remake started in like the 2000s, right? 2001. Okay. And then so this is going to be, I believe this is the fourth installment of it. Of that.

And it's a continuation of the original remake. Correct. Ah, I see. Yes. So this all lives within the world. But it jumps time within to show how they got to, how they got to where they were in 1968, essentially. I think it's great that you and Jeff essentially embark on these like little mini.

It's like you're taking like a J-term class in college, you know, where you're like, we're going to spend this three weeks learning about Planet of the Apes, you know, and I feel like you'll get a movie and then you'll be like, we're going to go on a little, we're going to do a little course about this genre, this franchise. Going a little tour. Yeah, yeah.

You know, it is, Jeff and I just love watching movies so much. And it's our number one pastime, which is why we also went to go see, speaking of vampire movies, we went to go see Abigail, which is the newer vampire, the news vampire movie that's in the theater right now, which with Angus Cloud, RIP, just throwing it out, there makes me very sad to see him on the screen because Angus Cloud is very fun to watch on screen and it makes me sad that his life is over so young but I will say Abigail if you enjoy a dark comedy vampire movie check it out it's a fun dumb romp and it really is genuinely delightful

and Dan Stevens is fabulous okay and wait have you seen challengers I know we're out of time, but that you could be a little teaser. Have you seen Challenger? Oh, have I seen? Okay. How are we feeling? I heard, I heard, but you see one tweet and you're like, whatever, there wasn't positive, but it's good. Loved it. I feel sad for whomever said that they didn't love it. It was probably Drake. Honestly, it was probably Drake. Probably Drake. I understand that, like, I thought that there was going to be more boys kissing in it. And so that definitely made me sad. I wanted more of that. And I appreciated it too.

Someone put it in, and also the Trent Resner music was really fucking great throughout. I very much enjoyed the challengers. Okay. And it is like essentially, I don't know if you're, I kept calling it sexy tennis and I kind of was refusing to call it by its name challengers because I only refer to it as sexy tennis. And man, the tennis was. sexy. It was so sexy. I'm just like, but I wanted more boys kissing. And someone explained the movie, which I think makes a lot of sense, is that it is a movie about two men that are in love with each other and a woman that is in love with the game of tennis. And that is what the movie, but Zendaya is

great in it. Mike Face and Joshua O'Connor are both delightful to watch. And it really like keeps moving and it jumps through time and Zendaya did a great job for something that was you know I don't usually see her in a very sexy light yeah for me specifically just because I see her as still as such a young actress but um wow I was awake through that movie and I enjoy it hell yeah Okay, I got to see Challenges. I almost never go to the theater, go to a real go to the theater movie. Go to theater, theater. This seems like a real go to the theater movie.

Yeah, definitely. I'm in. I also started from the beginning and now have really ripped through it. Now we're at the end of the second season of watching Dairy Girls. And I've watched like the first two episodes of Dairy Girls like four times. And I've always meant to keep going. And the next season of Bridgetton was coming out. And I was like, you know what?

Everyone talks about how fucking amazing Nicole Coughlin is in it. And I like, I need to just sit and watch it. Dairy Girls is a delight. It's so good. Isn't it one of the best shows you've ever seen? It's so good. It's one of my favorite shows. I need to watch it.

And every season finale just brings me to tears. Oh my God, the season finale. My God. It is a stunning, perfect show. I really think Dairy Girl. might be in my top, certainly top 10, maybe top five of all time shows. It's so fucking good. Also, I've learned so much about the history because I'm going to throw it out there. I am a dumb American and I did not know. So like there were a couple of episodes that I literally had to be like,

okay, Jeff, like, because he's the history buff. So I'm like, all right, why are these, like, I was like, why are they so upset that this like parade is happening? I don't understand. And he's like, oh, so like, and then he would like explain to me, like, the people that put on the parade, why they don't want to be around for the parade. I'm like, oh. Well, I'll tell you this, it'll make you all the more mad at the royal family. Certainly. Yeah, it certainly does.

Now, my question for Jackie, do you have to watch it with subtitles? Yes. Yeah, right? Yes. That's why I've watched the first two episodes multiple times is because I thought that this was a show that I was going to watch by myself. and when I watch stuff by myself, usually I'll have it on in the background. Like, that's why I like to watch so much reality,

because you don't need to be paying attention every second. But you kind of do with Dairy Girls. Not because the plot is that difficult, but you just, I can't quite understand them. Yeah, it's a show that you're, it's not a background show. You got to, you got to immerse yourself. Well, all right. I think we've talked some fucking TV, dude. I just got to say to it for people that all know, we've just recorded for three

straight hours together. But it's been one hell of a time. I've had so much fun with you guys today. And yeah, I'm loving we're doing these talking TVs, dude. Hopefully we'll have a big, like, final circle discuss next week. Yeah. And I'm glad we are all... There's going to be one more episode.

Yeah, well, I'll be caught up. I'm a few episodes behind. But, yeah, and then what's the other thing? And now it looks like we have one show we're watching kind of weekly together at least, and that would be Mulf Manor Season 2. So if anybody is trying to kind of listen along because we'll probably get more in depth with those shows, those are probably be the ones to hit for sure.

Just keep looking for when they're going to let us know that Perfect Match Season 2 is coming out and waiting for it. It's going to be any a day. Perfect Match Season 2. Absolutely. We will feast on circle and then we'll move on to another good reality show. I don't know if it's too new to watch. Do you guys ever watch the House of Villains reality show?

No. I really want to watch that so bad. It's like all, it's like New York, and I forget who all's in it. But they just brought all the like, like all the standout like troublemakers from different reality shows. They put them in a house together. And like I really want to. That sounds fun. I'll watch out of villains because, man, this married for a sight season that I'm watching, it was just like, oh, they're all in love.

Oh, they all love each. Oh, how do you want. Oh, it's good. And then it goes out. You can't just marry someone for sight. Oh, you watch it. fall apart. Idiotic.

Oh, baby. I am just eating it up. I'm just like, yeah, not good together, huh? Experts were wrong, I guess. Always are. And I just love it. Always are. All right, let's sing the song, get out of here.

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