Page 7 - Talkin' TV - What Andy Cohen Does to Them

Episode Date: February 12, 2025

This week on Takin' TV Holden, MJ, and Jackie discuss the cast of non book reading SINNERS known as the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and Jackie makes plans to join once she's on husband three! The Traitors continues to bring the traitorin', and Hulden gets Hupooed by the "Special Look" of "A Complete Unknown" on Hulu. Things get soupy and sloppy in "Funeral Home of Horrors" on "The Curious Case Of..." and Jackie and MJ ask "why not just wait for the Docuseries?" when it comes to Netflix's "Apple Cider Vinegar." Holden's been watchin' for that White Bronco in "American Manhunt: OJ Simpson", and Jackie recommends "Common Side Effects" on Max, "Invincible" Season 3 on Amazon, dove deep on Leon the Lobster on Youtube! MJ readin' y'alls book recommendations, and Holden reveals his wife's startling diagnosis of being Handsome Podcast and Fortune Feimster-pilled!  Real Housewives of Salt Lake City - PeacockThe Traitors Season 3 - PeacockThe Curious Case Of..... - MaxApple Cider Vinegar - NetflixAmerican Manhunt: OJ Simpson - NetflixCommon Side Effects - MaxInvincible Season 3 - Amazon PrimeThe Family Upstairs by Lisa JewellFortune Feimster: Crushing It - Netflix Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

with MJ Holden and Jackie Talking TV And you know it's going to get to whack Wacky because everybody knows And everybody knows and everyone knows And everybody knows We're talking TV With MJ Holden and Jackie

Mormon edition Take it away Oh, Mormon edition Oh, are you teeing us up for old Real Housewives of Salt Lake City? Yeah, I feel like we should start there since on the main, the other main episode, you guys like, kept talking about it. Like, we're going to talk about it on talking TV. Yeah. Like, you just, I feel like I need to give the floor over and just you guys go off. Queens.

Just tell me, MJ, where are you in season four? Just tell, like, what episode are you on? Where are you on? I'm on episode 11. I was just trying to figure out how many episodes are in the season. Okay. 15. Okay. I think. Okay. But what is happening is that, oh, what is happening? I just love that they just do events and fight and they do another event and they fight. Is that not the, that seems, that's what it sounds like is the whole crux of any real housewives show.

They love to plan events hold in and they're very good at it. You never better ever say that they're not the best at planning events. And I'm looking up... There's girls trips. There's work, like, launches. It's categories of parties. Girls' weekends, launches, and, like, personal family events that they like to ruin for each other. Daughter, son, birthdays.

Like, with children. Like, Greek Easter. I passed out. Okay, so Greek Easter was in season four. I was just at the sound bath. You're at the sound up, but also you were in the where they're churning butter, right? that episode? Yeah, I haven't gotten to this. I think I just started the Turning Butter episode. I'm at the, they just did Heather Gay's book reading, which one of the Real Housewives wrote a book, Holden, and nobody read it.

And they all got mad at her. And they all got mad. Because they were like, did you talk about me in your book? And she's like, read the book. And they're all like, I'm not going to read the book. And I appreciate it. My favorite is then then you watch all of them, slowly read the book, get angry at her about what she wrote. And then her screaming about like receipts and stuff about like, I. told you about this. We talked about this. You literally didn't listen to me. So then there's also that. I, there's a lot that happens at the end of this season that I am keeping my mouth shut about. Okay. Okay. I will say they have a great trip to Bermuda at the end of this season. Uh-huh. They're planning that right now. Oh, they're planning the Bermuda trip. And I am just so you know where I'm at, I am literally on the last reunion episode of season five. And that's where it's, it ends so far. Mind if I ask a quick question here? Please.

What is Greek Easter? It's orthodox Easter. It's Orthodox Easter. And I actually have a friend who is Greek and also does Greek Easter. And it's like I can't remember if it's on a different date than. I believe it is. Other Easter? There used to be celebrations for Greek Easter because there was a large Orthodox Greek

population in my hometown in Florida. And it happens to be like close to. the Greece of the United States is what they refer to Tarpon Springs as. So we would go and watch them like on January 6th, which I mean triggered, but they, you know, throwing the cross in the in the water and they go and they die for the cross. And so it's like it's just orthodox religion, although Orthodox Greek religion. And so. And so she's also Mormon?

Well, the thing about the Real House of the Salt Lake City is that by season four, almost none of them are Mormon. Oh, okay. Like when you start in season one, there's more Mormons and then you start losing them because one of them is- Mormon, right? Because they can't drink or anything. Yeah, well, that's exactly. One of them kind of starts, Heather Gay starts off as like, I'm the Mormonist one. And then she's losing her religion kind of over the course of the seasons. And so then she writes a book about becoming a not Mormon.

And it's called Bad Mormon. Very clever title. I love Heather Gay. I love her. They are significantly less Mormon than the real, the secret lives of Mormon wives, Mormons. Like those Mormons, I mean, of course, those guys have the sinners and the saints. But in Real Housewives, SLC, there's no saints. Like, none of, I think, right, Heather Gay was the most Mormon one and then she became X.

Ain't none of them saints. Lisa says that she's Mormon, but she drinks and she shows her bare shoulders at church, Holden. So. Well, you wait till next season when you meet Brittany. Brittany who dates, and I don't want to say off brand because he's one of the cousins, but she does date on and off again, an Osmond who is so thirsty to be on this show. It's insane.

And he keeps just like showing up at parties. And it's like, you're just, you're a D-level Osmond, which in, apparently in Salt Lake, that means you're a celebrity. So he just keeps like showing up It's like bro Nobody gives a shit about you Nobody I just I cannot understand

Why anyone would want to be On the Real Housewives franchise And I know I'm counting down the days And generally You're not an extreme well That's what you said off of Jackie But you're not an extreme narcissistic I get me on that

show I want to be on it drag your husband through the mud. By then, I'll be on husband number three, MJ. I'm going to be on the husband number three, by then. I will not care. I will only be there to plan events and to scream at other bitches. Jackie is entitled to her moment in the spotlight, MJ.

You don't get this? Thank you. You're welcome. Absolutely. It's just that everyone who has joined the show has had their life ruined. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.

Bitch for bitch. Well, for Jackie, it'll be different, MJ. Obviously, it'll be completely different. because she deserves it and earned her spot there. All those other fake-ass bitches, F-A-Bs, as I call them. Those fads. Yeah, man, I'm going to be in that opening, but I'm going to have big, like, peacock feathers behind me.

And I'm just like, and I'm not like the other girls. Like, that's going to be my tagline. This is actually, this once, this leads me to one of the central questions I wanted to ask you guys about. Because we've talked a lot about love is blind, the contestants and the union. the guy who has tried to kind of like unionize those workers and say and speak up about the working conditions and how they don't have water, they don't have food, they don't get any sleep,

they don't get paid. And we've learned that, you know, it's kind of predatory what reality shows do to those contestants. And as I am bathing in the sweet comfort of watching these bitches fight with each other at their different events, I'm wondering, they, these women seem to be agents of their own destiny in a way. Whoa. That this stuff happens to them, MJ. Please. Do you realize it's all the other bitches outing them and doing this to them?

Right, right. I guess my question is, I'm not asking, can I watch this without any guilt? Because there's guilt about all sorts of things. But I'm wondering, are these women... Feel the rain on your skin, MJ. No, I'm asking Billy Viya. Only you can let it in. You just have to let it.

happened to you, MJ. The world is crumbling, MJ. Oh, yeah. And it's not even, like, I'm not even, I guess, I guess in the way that we now know that so much of reality is built on the exploitation of the contestants, I guess my question is, is that what's happening here? Or is this, these women who are all extremely privately wealthy, just using their own private wealth to make a carnival where they get to just further enrich themselves? and therefore there's really no exploitation going on, except of these women of themselves. They choose it. I really do feel, now you have to remember, I do feel that the editors of this show deserve an Emmy. They deserve something. The editors are unbelievable to have to go through all of this footage.

And they're just like talking at each other and they're just to stare at it. Like those are the real emmys of this show. Imagine after like 16 hours of watching these bitches. to be like, oh my God, look at this charcutory bar. It's so good. They laugh like that. Lisa fucking Barlow. They're just always like screaming each other's names.

And I love it that I now know all of their individual voices. So I don't even have to watch the screen anymore. Even though like I choose to because I love to see their fits. But think about what they go through during those reunions and what Andy Cohen does to them. All right. Right. about that, MJ. Well, and that's like, I am like legit asking, like, I think that this is a ride that they have chosen. Yeah. Well, think about this. It's a ride they're choosing not to get off.

Yeah. Now, I, I hate to compare anything to Kanye, but at a certain point when it comes to money, you just get so much money you're like, don't want for anything. So what other currency is there? Attention. That's it. Yeah. Attention. You're right. Fame. Popularity. Like, that's the only other currency that you can't necessarily just like just buy. You're right. You have to like gain it from because what else are you doing? Planning events and that's all you do. I think there just ends up being, um, they are business owners holding in. They all have a deal. Anybody? Right, right. Totally. And also by the way, and I, still, I'm going back to this. I'm upset that you, Jackie would do it so different. She would put out a really cool music video about how she is rich the correct way.

Yes. Okay, which would be, you know what I mean? She would do all these special. things that they don't do. I'm number one and you're number none. Like I would say, I think it would be like some sort of robot beat. You know what I mean? Perfect. Yeah. I just need everyone to know lyrically that I am beyond anything they could ever, like, hope to be.

Right, right. I don't look at price tags when I enter the store. Yeah, all that kind of stuff, you know. I just put them in my bags. Oh, yeah, yeah, oh yeah. I love it. I can make anything into a soft. about how great I am and how much money I've got.

Just wait until I get the money side of it. And then everybody's going to see you. I own a man. But you just have to be prepared for them to call your husband gay. It's like if you are in a reality, a Mormon specific reality shows, your husband will be called gay publicly. It happens to all of the secret lives of Mormon wives. And it's happening to all of the SLC bitches.

The best part, though, is think of Jeff under five. on one of those reunions, he would take it with such grace and be like, you're right, yes, and. And what of it? Maybe I'm sucking cocks. What of it? What are you going to do about it? Everyone on the streets of Salt Lake City is talking about all the men he fucks. Oh, season four is.

Man, they're always talking about how many men the other husbands fuck. They do bring it up a lot, but never bring up that they're a bad mother. And that's when they throw down. And it's funny because like the second you hear it, I'm like, oh, there it goes. Okay, everybody. Tuck in. There it goes. They're upset at each other about how they parent now.

I love it. And well, I do think that Heather Gaye has a sweet relationship with her two children. I dare say, and I really try hard not to judge other parents, I dare say every last one of the others, questionable, questionable parenting. To just have you met Meredith Mark's kids yet, though? I mean, I like Brooks. They all talk like this. They all talk like her. And it's so funny to watch just like young, hot people, but they all sound exactly like this.

And I love it. Yeah. And I like that when she was like, I can't be homophobic for calling your husband gay, my son is gay. And I'm like, I'm not sure if it works that way. No, no. And don't worry. They'll still like rake her over the coals of the entire another season. Oh, I'm just having a great time.

As I say on the big show, I did decide to. replace my more. I wake up about an hour before my kids every day. And no, I'm not one of those people who has my life together. I don't have my life together. This is just an effort. This is just an effort to get, you know, to have a feeling like I'm somewhat together. And so during that time, I do my little chores and I used to listen to a news podcast. And I have replaced that. And I know I'm not ignoring the news completely. I still find out what is going on because we must. But I replace the deluge with an episode of Real How as a Salt Lake City, and my anxiety is doing great. So much better. Highly also recommend peppering a little bit of the Traders season three in there this last episode. Dude, MJ. I have started Traders. I got to say, I want to give you the space to talk about it, but I have to make a little confession.

This is, this type, this flavor of reality show, the competition style where we're in the woods and we're throwing tomatoes at a, they're Scotland. Yeah, and we're trying to, like, you know, it's like more survivory, fear factory, like that style of reality show. I never really did that in the past. And even though I love Alan Cumming and I love that they're all in a big castle and I love the cast, it's just this, it's taking me a little bit of time to adjust to this flavor of reality show, which I feel silly about because everybody loves the traitors and you should

talk more about it. This is really the thing is once you get into it, though, because. Because I felt exactly the same way, MJ. It's why I dragged my feet for multiple seasons. I was like, I just, I've watched The Mole, I've watched episodes, I've seen seasons of Survivor. Like, I've watched it before, but it's never been like, my, what is it, my milieu? Yeah. Like, it's just not my, I like the fuck shows.

Right. That's why the fact that I am watching The Traders Season 3 is like, it sucked me in. Yeah. And we are now, like, every Thursday, we're like, tonight, next episode. Like, we watch it on Thursday. The second it drops, the last episode was so good. And the memes from the show are undeniable. They are so funny.

And it is just such a talk about, again, it's the editors. And I've read into a lot about the show that, like, they don't sleep in the castle that they're all staying in. They all stay in a hotel. But they're not allowed to speak. speak to each other unless the cameras are on. So while you're watching it, you think, like, they have to get so much done surreptitiously just in a short amount of time trying to get everyone to, like, try and hoodwink each other. But they're all so stupid.

And or they're very good at it. So it's like one or the others, but some of them are getting through it much easier because they're not very bright. So they're like, oh, well, he's obviously not a traitor. So, yes, I'm talking about Tom Sandoval, and maybe I need to get back into Vanderbump rules after this. I don't know. In every conflict, there's at least one bitch. A huge bitch, a silly bitch.

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But now that I've watched a couple of episodes, I now understand that it is kind of a who's who of all reality. All reality. It's like House of Villains. Yeah, it's like House of Villains. There's the Survivor group. There's the Real Housewives group. There's the Vanderpump Rules guy. There's just the one.

Yeah, just the one. And then everyone's like judging each other, much like high school. It's like, oh, well, a real housewife wouldn't do this. A survivor wouldn't do this. But also, Crischel is from selling Sunset, and Crisell is married to G-Flips. So I am obsessed with Griselle Because she is married to G Flip And that makes me want to root for her more

Fever's dream high in the quiet of the night You know that I got it G flip I love G flip But that's really it That's all I have to say about the traitors It's just because the last episode though For my traitor raiders out there I

That last episode, huh? Guys I I just like Yeah Yeah Like I was cheering with them by the end of the episode.

It was so good. I mean, and I, there's something about having it be this kind of like, you know, vacuous, very reality, very like feels like a network reality show and that it's, you know, it does, it just feels like that has that survivor kind of flavor. But then having it be interjected with Alan Cumming

and his, and his fits. And he's amazing fits. It is. Oh my God. It's a delight. And also, though, it's just, I think that you're going to start slurping. it up and you're going to get some momentum to the point. I think I said this last week and we haven't

gone down that rabbit hole yet. We're going to go back and start watching it from the beginning. And also I wanted to say thank you to the people that have suggested that I also watch the Traders UK. Now here's my problem with that MJ is I'm like, but I'm not going to know anybody. And it makes me feel like I'm going to summer camp. But did you know anybody this time? I did. Because you don't watch Survivor. I'm aware of Survivor and those are like the heavy hitters from Survivor. So I was aware of like Boston Rob. I've seen Wes. Also, Wes was

on House of Villains. So I know him from that. And like, I know because I've been watching because I've been watching so much reality shows. Okay, that makes sense. And from, honestly, working on page 7 for so many years, reading all these like

headlines and so like, I am aware of most of these people. Like Tom Scandival. I know all about obviously the Scandival. that had to do with him. But also, MJ, do yourself a flavor and always watch Tom when he's on the screen because you've never seen someone look so dumb. All right.

Sorry, that's my hard sell. That's my last ditch effort. And if you don't, if you know what? Also, though, MJ, if you watch a couple episodes and you don't like it, I'm not going to hold it against. Yeah. No, I am glad that I started it and I will keep trying. I will hold it against you privately, though.

And thank you to everyone. I heard your cries. Everyone was screaming it from the dark for so long. For trainers, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, hold in. So thank you. You want to weigh in on your... Wait, a special look. Oh, okay. I was like, ooh, is it a complete unknown out? I know, I saw it. It was a thing.

A special look. A special look. I know, I do want to watch it. I do want to watch it. Is it just the movie? Can you watch it now? Is it streaming? You think it's on Hulu.

I just clicked to watch movie. But it's only 22 minutes. What is this? No, Hulu, not cool. Not cool Hulu. So this is like a 22 minute taste. I don't need that. I don't need that streamer.

Yeah. Just give me the movie. Just give me the movie. Give me the movie before the Oscars. So I can watch it before the Oscars. When's the movie coming up? It even says watch the movie. And you click on it and it's 22 minutes.

movie. No. That's so dumb. Do never do that. Hell no. That's so stupid. So I guess maybe it'll come out soon. I'm angered by this.

I don't really even understand this. Wow. Hot off the presses. This is so dumb. All right, details. Oh, Cassing crew take you behind the scenes for a special for all of us. I don't want a special look. But they make it really look like.

It's the movie kind of. I saw this today because I got excited as well. It's the movie. Understand. Yeah, don't do that, Hulu. That's bad practices. And they're all lying to us. Bad Hulu, bad.

Just pulling stuff up. Yeah, well, first of all, definitely you can just, like, have a funeral home and, like, not actually, like, you know, do anything with the bodies. But you didn't move the bodies. And just make a bunch of people upset. Yeah. I started funeral home of wars.

We're talking about the curious case of, by the way. It's an episode of, oh. the curious case of dot dot dot dot dot on mom. I think the next one will be actually a lot better. It's such an uneven docu series. Quite. It really is. So uneven.

The orphan impostor is amazing. The BAM one's amazing. And it looks like the next one will be good. But they're very like every other. And the funeral home one kind of was just like, just, it just sucks, you know, for the people who are taking advantage of and all that kind of stuff.

And the bodies of like their like sons and stuff. So like it's all, it made me very sad. Yeah, that's why I stopped. I was like, this is just like sad and there's not, you know, I, so, so we were talking before we started recording about how the like, how many docu series there are now. The market is saturated, saturated with docu series. And as we talked about last week, even with bail it out loud, like that there is, it's, like, investigation discovery and TLC is like on Max, but then also Netflix has tons of new docu series.

Max has its own docu-series. And I have a friend who's a filmmaker who's making a documentary right now. But she was saying that like, like, you know, the streamers only want docu-series. But I feel like the problem is I love, I've always loved documentaries. I used to watch documentaries on Netflix, you know, just find whatever. In 2010, when there wasn't that much on Netflix, I would just find whatever documentaries were on there. And so part of me loves watching documentaries. but another part of me is like, I don't think we need the curious case of dot, dot, dot, dot, the funeral home of horrors.

It's like, it's just like news magazines like Dateline 2020 and the way that it's just like, we're just going to tell you this like one tragedy. And there's not really like a bigger takeaway from it. There's not really like, and it's not that you shouldn't tell those stories. Like sometimes those stories can be incredibly powerful, right? but like there is just the candy, like the popcorny aspect of it of just like, we'll just find some disgusting story and we're going to turn it into a three-episode docu-series so that you can slurpe it up and it's not going to be very deep.

It's not going to be very well made. Yes, but this is my problem not too immediately. And we'll jump back to the fun house of horrors. You brought up before we started recording that I'd also watched two episodes of Apple Cider vinegar. Yes, I just started it. It was to deal with apple cider vinegar. Yeah, let's talk about apple cider vinegar.

So apple cider vinegar is an insane story about an Australian wellness scammer named Bell Gibson. So she is, and like she is like lies about having cancer or lie. Like he's like trying to like, created this whole scam that was really, really hurting people. But here's the thing. The story is, it immediately sucks me in. My problem.

this goes towards what you were just saying, MJ, I want, all right, Bell Gibson is not dead, I'm assuming. Bell Gibson is alive. Yes. And I know that like, this is a me problem. I'm aware of this. But I'm so used to seeing so many docu-series now that I want to see the bitch be shamed. I want to watch her be publicly shamed.

This is not a docu-series. It is a fictionalized version. of the story. I don't want to watch a fiction. But here's a thing. The story is so interesting that I still watch the first two hour-long episodes, but it's six hours long.

And I was like, I think I'd rather, because we've all been watching this happen, that you see the fictionalized version and then a little while later you get the doc, you see the actual doc. And I kind of shut it off and was like, I think I'm just going to wait for the docu series. Yeah.

But I will say, I am happy that the fictionalized version said up top that Bell Gibson was not given any money for it. So I imagine that's part of the reason why people would rather do a fictionalized version so that she doesn't make any money. Yeah, this is an interesting, right,

so the interesting thing about, like, Apple cider vinegar is interesting just to talk about as a story. Like, she's a... Yeah, it's like maybe reindeer, in other words. Like, it's like... Right, yes. But it's her... True story. It's horrific in a different way, yeah, but really hurting people. Yeah, it's like Baby Reindeer in the sense that it's like this is a reenactment of something that really, this is a narrative retelling of something that really happened. And but similarly to Baby Reindeer, it gives, although that, you know, arguably a little bit different since that was made by the person who wrote the story and the person that had happened to. Yes. This really leaves the watcher wondering what is real and what is not because it says in the beginning, this is a fictionalized retelling of true events and you're like, what does that mean? What is that? Then, then,

What is real and what is not real? Yes. Welcome to the internet in 20, 25. And I do wonder how to feel about that because I actually, as I was watching it, I realized I was like, wait a minute, I know about this bitch because maintenance phase, great podcast about wellness scams, did an episode on her. So I was like, oh, I know about this woman. She pretended she had brain cancer and that she had cured it with her diet. And she, you know, is obviously praying on really vulnerable people who are in desperate times and looking for, you know, hope. And it's this fascinating story.

But then, yeah, you're watching. And it's very, it's not just a narrative retelling. It's like a very, like, wacky, artistic narrative retelling. Styelized. Yes, very stylized. That's why, am I bad that I'm literally, I'm like, if I'm going to watch this story, I want to know what the bitch was actually, like, what was going through your head? you crazy scamming, bitch? Like, what was go?

Like, what? Yeah. So I'm going to wait for the rest of the story. Yeah. I am torn on this too, because on the one hand, I do feel like there's too many docu-series right now to be good. I know. That's why I'm saying. There's too many docu-series to be good.

But there are, like, lots of good stories to be told. And in the way that at least a docu-series, it's always telling something with a limited point of view and the framing is it's not like every docu-series is good and I think that that's the hard part about slurping these things up like am I watching this with a critical eye? Am I thinking about how this story is being told even though it all

feels real but it's a filmmaker making a film right? But then I had this a very similar reaction Jackie I almost turned it off at the first episode because I was like I don't want to watch this but then I was like they are doing a good job like that's the thing no like everybody in it is killing it they're doing a great job. It's well done

It's well acted. And then I was like, is it, is it bad that now I'm having this, like, negative reaction because it's narrative and not a documentary series? But similarly, I want to know what really happened. And so having it be a fictionalized retelling of a real thing is really, it does leave the watcher very confused. And it kind of makes me just want to read the Wikipedia about Bell Gibson, but I want to watch a show. So it is, I feel you.

It is a confusing place to be at. I don't want streamers to just. only turn into like, you know, 70% kind of like news magazine, pulpy, kind of trashy docu-series. And I like that they're like the effort with which they are telling the story and making it into a narrative thing. But then it does, it does just leave me wondering what really happened and what's, and so yeah, yeah, I definitely feel you. We're going to get that docu-series at some point, right? Yeah, got to be.

If there's not one already. Again, the maintenance phase about it was from 2022. So this is, this has been, she's been a known scammer for quite a while now. Holden, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to just transfer it into apple cider vinegar. Tell us more about the fun host. Funhouse of hers. Oh, just the body. That was, I mean, that's why it's not, you know.

The body. And it was like he does stand up and they have bad clips of him doing like open mics because, of course, he does stand up, right? They always have to be weird. It's a funeral director who does stand up and does it bury the body. I think the next one will be more interesting. I also, you know, talk about just schlock of docu series, the OJ. Maybe this is why, by the way, the reason why for me, so I started watching the OJ doc series. Which OJ docs series?

As if you need another one. There's a new one on Netflix. It's just called American Man Hunt OJ Simpson. So. What is it, is it giving us something new? It goes more in depth on like, I thought the whole thing was just about the manhunt, just about them chasing. But I guess they do get into the court stuff after the first two episodes. But it goes more in depth in terms of like from the investigation side, like how they, you know, how everything, the order of events way more specific of like how everything went down.

Because OJ made in America was fantastic. And that was a similar one where the Ryan Murphy, OJ. Revisit came out at almost the exact same time. Right, like at the same time. And that was really enjoyable. Yeah, Made America was amazing and was more about the cultural, like, kind of broke down the whole cultural impact and like all the background going on. This is a lot more specifically about like this kind of feels like an episode of the first 48 hours or whatever, like that kind of thing.

Where it's like what happened moment to moment as they discovered the bodies went to find O.J. And how, you know, and then as if you've listened to Last Spockets to the Left, you would know how bad they, they fucked up the investigation and how poorly they handled those orders of events. But so this is all getting definitely way more into the detective side. Okay, cool. Of stuff, right? And like the, I think more from that perspective. So it's, it's minutia. Are you going to keep chewing on it?

Are you going to keep going? Yeah. I'll keep watching it. Is it a series or is it a movie? It's a series. There's four episodes. And I've watched like the, just gotten into the first,

the first one and a little into the search, right? Ah, okay. That's the fun thing. To me, there is why I wanted to watch it. It was like, oh, cool. It's called Manhunt. So I'm assuming which is what it is,

at least for the first two episodes, just focused on those crucial moments that happened. Like, from when they discovered the bodies to that crazy car chase. Like the car chase doesn't even happen until episode two. That's how minutia, minute they're getting. You know what I mean? Hell yeah.

I'm saying minutia in an improper way many times. But what I'm saying is that's... Manusia. Getting into the dirty details of that one night where we were all gripped to the screen, watching that white bronco. And that is a story where there are so many different angles that you can tell it from.

There are so many... Yeah. What I think is interesting is like, yeah, getting really into the detail on the... like what was what all happened in that crazy, the car chase and just, and the whole everything that went down. I mean, that's just interesting in general about anything, you know, anything where we're like, it's a famous crime and just getting, getting to know like, hey, from hour one to hour four,

you know, what, what steps they took, you know. Yeah. Yeah. And all the more interesting when it was a really famous and beloved, a famous person who, who, Oh, yeah. LAPD did not want to.

Totally. Because they like, they like totally fucked up. They like left the murder scene to like go get, try to get in contact with OJ. Oh, yeah. And just left the murder scene completely alone, which you should never do.

That was like, no. Just a bunch of crazy bongles that happened, um, around that kind of got us to the trial being a circus. But, the third episode is literally called the circus. A circus reference today.

Yeah, yeah. A circus. Yeah, I think you need to listen to Britney Spears a circus today. I need to be cleansed. Well, Apple cider vinegar starts with a big montage to Britney Spears toxic, which I've had in my ass. Which is fun. It is fun. Unless she's featured on fireworks and roller skates, the incredible debut album from Benson Boone, I doubt I'll be listening to any Britney Spears.

Back to you, Jackie. I would not know. I will say a show that is not a docu series that I've started watching that just came out. It is from creators Mike Judge, as well as a lot of the creators from another show that I became immediately obsessed with. It is canceled, and now everyone on the internet is desperately hoping it gets brought back, and that is Scavenger's Rain. But Scavenger's Rain is the, like, the first show that they did. This is called Common Side Effects. It is over on Max.

And it is an animated show that is just, it is very immediately. gripping and fascinating. And it is about these two DEA agents that are going after this very interesting dude that got rich really young and he found a mushroom that can cure people of anything. And so it's about big pharma finding out that this man exists and going after him because they want to steal the mushrooms and use it obviously for evil because Big Pharma would never want something like that.

So it is very, it's got 100% of rotten tomatoes. It is just a immediately, like there's only I think three or four episodes out. We've watched the first three episodes. I really am enjoying it. And it's a good, fun story that is not

the same thing that we see over and over and over again, which is kind of nice. And it's got a fun. to animated style too, but that's another good show to throw on your list. If you love a little half hour show, that is just a little slurp a mom. Common side effects. Excellent. Okay, that's awesome. It's been all slurpermups, I think. You know what I mean? What are we doing here? We're sort of like we threw on, this is where I'm at too. We're trying to finally finish the bear. And even last night, we put on that like pregnancy

episode. I was just like, I don't want this right now. Dude, that episode is so good. I was like, I can't handle this right now. Like, I'm just so tired. Right, right. Yes. A couple of weeks ago, I was talking about American primeval. We've now watched, it is such a good show, but it is so visceral and upsetting that I can only watch an episode at a time. And then I'm like, all right, can we, I just need to. I know that like they were going through like, it was really hard in the American West back then but like it's a really good

and like Taylor Kitch which good Lord I can just talk about slurp them up good Lord from Friday Night Lights American Prime Evil is so good but it is it's hard to watch

I do feel like maybe I know me too yeah maybe I think right one of the things that's happening with you know having these kind of like surface level pump them out

like docu series that you can just kind of like watch and not really deeply engage with is like everyone like everyone is really upset all the time. People don't want to engage with like really upsetting things. Also everybody, you know, I keep, I just keep thinking about that Netflix exactly said we got to make things that people can do while not looking at the TV because they're looking at their phones or whatever the quote was. I can't remember the exact quote. You know, the shows that you can not pay attention to. And I'm just like, oh. Like a real house.

wives. And listen, I love a show you don't have to pay attention to. But it's, it is talking about attention. Chris Hayes just wrote a book that I'm going to try to bring up the name of, but it's about attention and the way that phones kind of have seized our attention. And I feel like there's just the attention that it takes to give to engage deeply with a with a high quality show like the bear is like nobody has that level of attention right now because everybody is like emotionally destroyed and their attention is completely zapped. Just trying to get through the day and have a semi smile on our face. But that's why if I'm going to watch something. Sirens call. Thank you so much. That's why if I'm going to watch something upsetting, I wanted to be animated and guess what just came back? Invincible Season 3. Oh, man.

Yeah, I was going to ask you about that. Oh, baby. Talk about a fucking slurp-bum-ups. Invincible. And I know that a lot of people in the Internet are upset because I guess the animation is not as good as it used to be. But, like, as someone that doesn't know anything about where the Invincible, like, where Invincible is going, and it's such an insanely good story, I ain't looking at the animation. Like, I'm not thinking about the animation. I'm so sucked into this story because it's about, I mean, not evil superheroes, but, you know, morally gray.

And it is such a good show. It's so much more. Like, it's not like a Marvel. It's like the opposite of a Marvel. It's what if Marvel, like, actually brutally surprised you at every turn. Every, like, twist, everything that happens is shit I never expected. But also, Jeff is having a great time watching me enjoy Invincible because he has read all of Invincible. And so he's just like, you don't even know.

You don't even know what's got. I'm like, how can you even say you don't even know? We were in season three and a lot of like, you're right, I didn't even know, already happened. So it's really good. Hell yeah. Have you read Invincible Holden? Yes. Dude, insane.

Absolutely insane. Like, it's such a, and I don't know, obviously, I mean, I don't know anything about the comic book, so I don't know when it was written. I don't know like what, like if this was the first time. Man, I read it in New York City living on Metropolitan Avenue. Was this like the first time that that? kind of thing was done. I lived with Cap.

Like for you? Like was that like in reading it? Like I can't imagine reading this where it's like, oh, you can't trust anybody. Yeah, yeah. Where it just totally subverts like every expectation. It's been done before in different ways, I'm sure. But yeah, in that particular way. And then having it be like so well drawn and everything and written like the

Maybe that's why everyone's upset about the animation. Oh, yeah, maybe. Well, it's just, yeah, I don't know. It's incredible, but, but yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. People complained about the Uzimaki animation. I was like, I guess, but it's like, I got that just because from the first episode of Uzumaki to the second one, it was such a drastic change.

Yeah, was such a jump. So you can kind of see it, but it didn't like make, totally like ruin the show for me or whatever. So I think I'm not as, like, that's the same thing as people complaining about frame rate stuff on video games. And I'm kind of like, I guess I can tell. but it doesn't matter. Like, it just doesn't, like, change the experience that fundamentally for me

if it's, like, running at a lower frame rate unless it's, like, literally, like, unplayably, badly running at a frame rate. And I've kind of have the same thing with the animation, you know. But, yeah, it's just so, like, the violence and everything in the original is just so, like, vibrant and well done and, you know, visceral, you know, because it just is like, here's Superman mixed with fucking Tarantino, you know, kind of. Yeah. But it's so good.

Yeah, I don't know that I watched the second season or maybe I started it. So I've got some catching up to do on that one. But yeah, I'm glad they're still rocking. I'm glad it's still going well. And I will say. Like, you know, Sandman got axed. It's going to only be one more season, which is such a fucking bummer and totally understandable.

I mean, I'm just sad that Neil Gaiman is getting any more money. but you know that's fine that's the thing and that's why they have to like cancel it right so it's like but but that deserved its due that was going really well it's good that invincible can happen and and go really well you know there's a lot there's why sometimes you watch you know multiple episodes of invincible and then you have to watch multiple youtubes about leon the lobster yes did i go through an insane worm time of watching this person that brought home a lobster from the grocery store and decided to see how long he could, like he created a

whole tank. He kept the lobster live for years. I watched in real time molting videos of Leon the Lobster. Well, because lobsters can live for a really long time too, right? They can live for a very long time. So I've never watched a lobster molt before and I watched

all of that. And, uh, you know, sometimes you just got to think, what would it be like to have to take care of a lobster? And you watch hours of YouTube. I always wanted to rescue the lobster from the grocery store. Right? My parents told me it wasn't an option,

but apparently it is. It is an option. Leon the lobster, everybody. It is an option. So sometimes, yeah, you can't handle any more violence. Did you guys have any more violent things to share? Trying to think.

I have to wait to talk about Hock Tua until the leftovers. That's my big one to scream about. So, yeah. You got anything, MJ? No, I finished a list. I'm not currently. reading books only recommended by listeners. I finished my book called The Family Upstairs.

Is it similar to? I'm still reading other mothers. I'm now very, I'm getting, I'm in the back end of it. I'm getting close. It's very fun. It's like my favorite thing to end the night with. Somebody sent me a list. Somebody sent me a great email, sent the page 7 email, a great email that was like, I also only read books that have the word wife in them and then proceeded to send me a list of all the wife books that they currently have you. Yes. Yes. Yes. A slight. variation was the books with the word family and them. And so I read the family upstairs. And it was good. And now I'm... What were they doing up there, clomping around? It's... Acting like rhino beasts. I can't even tell you without spoiling it. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Spoil it, MJ. What is the family doing upstairs, MJ? Let's just say it's not a cult story.

Oh, not what I expected. The family is upstairs. And then I just started one also recommended by a listener called The House Across the Lake. And while it doesn't have wife in it, it has the right font. And did I tell you guys? I don't think I mentioned this on the show that Zelda can read now. And so she loves to just read things. And I have this book sitting out, which I still have not freaking finished the wife between us. I've been trying to finish it forever.

Zelda did the most perfect comedic delivery. She was like, the wife between us. The wife between us. And like, you know, like trying to engage with what that actually. actually met. And now they keep, Fredians all they keep speculating what the wife between us could be about. And they're like, I think it means there's two wives. And he's

standing in between them. Between them. I mean. No, no. There's one wife and then the man and then another wife on the other side. No, the wife is in between the first wife and the other man. But like they don't know why there's two wives. And it's, uh, it's very fun to now have the kids engaging with the absolute trash that I read. I know. I was so scared when I had texted you.

And I think Freddie had seen your phone and then Freddie responded to the text message. And I was like, oh no. It's like, we're at that age. Then I need to watch out what I'm said at MJ over text. Yeah. Now, having two readers is awesome, but it does mean that you have to text, just like you should never text anything that you don't want red in a court of law. Now we have to text like you shouldn't text anything that you don't want read by a five-year-old.

Yeah. Yeah. Which is fun. I will say, looking through everything, I've had on my cue and stuff. We did watch the Fortune Feemster stand-up special crushing it. Lexi is totally Fortune Feemster and handsome podcast pilled, by the way. I don't know if that's something I've mentioned, which is not a terrible... Yeah, the Tigna Tauro, Fortune Feemster.

And the third person is probably already always annoyed at the... You know, you always remember the first thing because they're much more prominently well-known stand-ups. But that's great. If you haven't watched a Fortune Feemster stand-up special, it's so... solid and you're never going to get like kind of annoying modern stand-up B takes. Like it's going to be pretty heartwarming. Yeah, yeah, it's going to be pretty heartwarming and great. It's not like watching a Bill Burr special is what you're saying.

Yeah, well, I mean, I love Bill Burr, so I would actually not even put him in there, you know, because I think he's fantastic. Like a Chappelle. Yeah, he's just sometimes he also has a hot take or two. Right, right. Well, it's a boomer take, Bill Burr. But he was great. He was great in his whole thing with healthcare and everything recently.

He was awesome with all that stuff. I think I only see the clips of Bill Burr when he's extremely right, you know? So I'm just like, yeah, Bilber, but I don't like. That whole thing was crazy too. You guys, do we talk about the Bilber, Billy Corgan? Yeah, I don't think we talked about it on the show, did we? Yeah, I think it was after Holden had left. This was a couple weeks ago.

Okay, and the leftovers. Okay, cool. Cool, cool. Okay. I know that we, I know you sent the article and I remember reading about it, but yeah, Billy Corrigan.

That was a really wild story with them lately, which is kind of crazy. But yeah, but yeah, with Fortune, it's like good vibes, you know, it was funny though.

I forget where they went, but their honeymoon, the whole first part of her act is like, she got married to a woman. And then they went on a honeymoon to a place that is very like, it's like illegal to be gay. And I think,

I guess they didn't realize it until they were like just about to head, go there. It was like Morocco or I don't know, probably not Morocco, but it was some place where like it was a beautiful place where it's like illegal to be gay. So they had to like act like bros the whole time essentially. It was just very funny. And she has a lot of, had a lot of great bits. It's really funny talking about her mom and stuff. So I think that's, that's, um, you know, a nice bright shining light. That, uh, Tom Papa, she does a podcast with Tom Papa. I was watching his stand up special too. I think it's off of my cue though. So I don't

know the name, but he's a really, like, nice, kind of classic stand-up vibes, if you know, like what I mean, like, just not, like, kind of going for any, not trying to get an applause break for saying something extremely poignant or something like that. Like, just classic comedy delivered well, you know, about, like, being in a, like, his family and stuff. So, yeah, that's been good. That's great. All right.

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