Page 7 - Talkin' TV - Where Do Broken Hearts Go
Episode Date: June 19, 2024This week Jackie, MJ, and Holden are talkin' bout the leather undie butt bitin' gloryhole fest that was this week's Milf Manor, Holden is freaked out by all the Jenner Clones on Perfect Match, Jackie ...is all caught up on Bridgerton and LOVES it, Holden digs into Matty Healys new fiancee and learns about I'm with the Band: NASTY CHERRY, MJ took the kids to see Inside Out 2 in the theater and they LOVED IT! Jackie dives into House of the Dragon to prep for Season 2, The Boys Season 4 continues to please even if it is a bit much sometimes, and MORE!! MILF Manor Season 2 - MaxPerfect Match Season 2 - NetflixBridgerton Season 3 - NetflixI'm With The Band: Nasty Cherry - NetflixInside Out 2 - IN THE THEATAHHHHHHouse of the Dragon Season 1 - MaxThe Boys Season 4 - Amazon Prime Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.
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with MJ Holden and Jackie talking TV
and you know it's going to get wacky
because everybody knows what everyone knows
everybody knows everybody knows
and everybody knows we're watching shows
we're talking TV
with MJ Holden and Jackie
Yo
Was it better this time?
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, I think so.
I did it in the right order.
That's great.
And if I do it in the right order
then I don't go, oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck.
And then I could, and then I'm fine.
And then you're just living the dream.
You're living that TV dream, everybody.
No, oh, fuck, oh, fuck, oh, fuck, oh, fuck, oh, fuck.
But there were quite a few fucks.
Well, I guess it depends on what you were watching this week.
I've got quite a few little kerbubbles in my craw over here.
And I've just been munching, munching, munching, and having a time about seeing.
Where do we start?
We've got perfect match.
We've got Milf Manor.
I want to hear about Milf Manor.
I want to hear about Milf Manor.
And then I could scream for a while about perfect match.
I'm almost completely caught up on perfect match.
And I have thoughts.
And Jackie and I both saw Inside Out.
So is that two, excuse me.
So we have to make room to talk about that as well.
I've also watched all of Bridgerton.
We need to make them for that as well.
All right.
All right.
Let's start with Milf Manor.
Because Holden is not caught up.
So we are going to educate him.
I like forgot about it.
I've been so,
we're so knee-deep and perfect match.
And then I came in to you guys were like,
oh, yeah, something about butt touching.
And I was like, oh, right, that dumb show
that I usually remember to watch.
Yeah, you're in for-but-touching.
I don't think, Jackie, what do you think?
Do you think this week was upsetting enough for Holden?
You know, here's the thing.
It's very funny that Holden, you know what,
the fact that all of us say this.
And I just want to go and mention how broken we are as individuals
because I was talking to a good friend of ours.
and she was trying to watch one of the earlier episodes of season two.
And she was like, I just can't do it.
It's just too disgusting.
I'm so, I can't handle it.
And I was like, this season isn't even that bad.
Yeah.
What are you?
I was like, we're over here screaming for it to be worse.
And you're saying that it's too disgusting to watch.
And I was like, I guess we are broken.
We are broken.
It's less, it's less Oediple, you know, like Oedipus Rex,
Ediple than the first season.
Oh, I know the Edipole you're talking.
But there's still a lot of upsetting stuff between the dads and the sons.
I think that there's something.
Sure, but it's not, but there's such a difference between the ridiculousness of like the
cougar mom son dynamic and the sad, checked out, divorced dad son dynamic.
It's just like not the same.
just weird and sad.
And I think that really just speaks towards especially that generation of dads and how
checked out they were.
So I feel like the moms come in and they're like, yeah, I like raise this kid up all the
the way.
I'm a badass.
I did all this, you know, work with this kid.
I'm like, know this kid.
And it's, and then it's awkward and gross.
Whereas like the dad's coming.
They're like, what was the sport you played?
Yeah.
Maybe that is why it's less upsetting because you just inherently know that the dads were
less involved.
There barely exist in their kids' life.
Could you tell your mother,
could you tell your mother I'm still in love with her?
And then there's like the,
that I made a mistake.
There's layers of onions on this season.
And right, we've talked about it a lot,
but one of the many layers is that all of these dads are divorces.
Obviously, that was true of the first season too.
Otherwise, the Miltz wouldn't be at Miltf Manor, would they?
But like, there is a specific type of like,
middle-aged masculinity in crisis.
that is over, that is infusing every interaction at Milf Manor.
And so this week, man, Holden, how do you feel about glory holes?
Cool.
Yeah, I'm down with glory holes.
I love that definitely is like closer to the disturbing nature of what Milf Manor should be.
How do you feel about father's son glory holes?
So yeah, so they have to, and I'm guessing they have to guess whether it's the dad or the son.
Yeah, but unfortunately, everybody thought it was going to be a glory hole for day.
of course.
Where we were going to guess
whose dick it was.
Right.
But that's what everybody wanted.
Obviously, the producers knew
that that was what everybody wanted
if you literally called them glory holes.
But instead, they were ass glory holes.
And all the fathers and sons
had to stick their asses through the holes.
To grapple on them.
To tell.
Had to guess.
Had to grab it and then
write down which ass they think it was.
I mean, this sounds thrilling and wonderful.
But how much of the show of the episode
was that and how much was like it just dads being sad?
A surprising amount because, man, they really let them go at those asses.
They really were like grabbing.
There was a lot of biting.
There was a lot.
I think it took too long.
They were like, we're going to do this one time.
And I was like, could we not?
Can we expedite this?
Move this along.
I'm ready for this to continue.
Because like, keep it moving.
At the end of the day, you know, like, sure, I love grabbing on an ass.
I'm totally down.
I thought it was very cute that Joey was very tight.
ticklish.
So he kept having to move his butt away because, like, he kept being like, they've all
got these long nails.
And he kept just like coming up and kind of grabbing at my ass.
And yeah, I was tickled.
Yeah, that was kind of funny.
Did Mr.
Italians stay with, uh, I've, um, where the broken hearts go.
I, fuck that bitch.
I know.
MJ I said it.
I know.
Fuck that bitch.
That bitch coming in here being like, I'm.
just a man. I just don't even know. Oh, me? Who's Lynette? I didn't even know. Oh, I want to pop her in the face.
Holden, this man, Anthony, had the audacity to, of course, audacity. The audacity to ask this bitch,
I don't even remember her name, Kristen, I think, on a date. Who cares? Who cares about her? And she asked
her on a date. The date was body painting. It was once, poor Joey and Anthony are the father and son that
had to go on two dates together.
Joey was like, I'm still traumatized from the first one,
where we were doing the tantric yoga with Kelly,
but the date was body painting.
So Anthony has the audacity to go get body painted
and slide around with that Midwestern mom bitch.
Meanwhile, he's kissing her literally on her ass.
And then he comes back to Lynette, still covered in paint.
Covered in paint.
He says, hey, can we talk?
Can we talk for a minute?
And of course, Lynette's like, sure,
because she loves him.
And so then while he's still covered in the paint of another woman, he's like, hey, I care about you.
I don't want to see you get hurt, but also we're here to meet people.
And she's like, I'm not here to meet anyone else.
I like you.
We just had a conversation where we said we were lasered in on each other.
Yeah.
Well, honestly, I welcome that more than what I'm seeing with on perfect match.
Fucking, it's ridiculous.
We're not talking about perfect match.
We're going to continue to talk about Anthony, all right, because we're very upset about Anthony.
because then she was just like,
I just want you to know that like,
you're who I'm here for.
I want to be with you.
So, and he's like, all right, all right, sweetheart.
You know what?
I'm just going to go talk to other people.
And then he's like, look at how great I am.
I'm going to make Lynette dinner.
I'm going to make Lynette dinner.
Look at me.
You see, I'm a nice guy.
I'm making us some chicken.
He didn't make Lynette dinner.
Right.
He made them both a piece of chicken.
And then he got in the hot tub with that big.
bitch from the paint date again.
That bitch!
And he's like, oh, he's like, let me go, just go take a shower.
And Lynette's like, go shower.
And it's like the cutest.
Basically, he was asking for permission to go on dates with other people.
And because Lynette loves him, she was like, I mean, I guess do what you got to do.
And then he just goes and gets in the hot tub with that bitch.
He gets in the hot tub with her.
You cannot change a man, Lynette.
I'm sorry, but he's a dog.
He's a dog.
And you deserve better.
And you know what, MJ, my heart's broken.
I know.
You know, I fell for the dog
and I thought he was going to be loyal.
But don't we all think
that all the dogs are going to be loyal?
This is the show, season one would work for this too.
The season one and season two of Milf Manor
could be called,
this is the reason you're divorced.
Oh, yes.
You know what I mean?
Like every man, you start to think like maybe,
oh, Anthony, good man.
And then you're like,
and I'm not saying that everybody who's divorced
has like, even there's a good reason.
Sometimes it's just divorced
because it just happens.
Yes.
But these men.
Yeah.
There's a reason.
You see it with all of them.
There's a reason.
Yeah, you see exactly why.
But I did weirdly like the date that they had in the bathtub, which with old broken foot.
I forget what his name is.
I'll never remember what his name is.
Oh, yeah, him and her.
Yeah, they ended up kind of now we have the most pure couple now that Mr. Italian is out.
Yes, Kelly Mac and Darren had a really cute.
He was sweat.
He was red.
He was, he was, the two people in their 50s in a hot tub.
I was like, are you guys okay?
And I'm not, I'm sorry, sometimes I worry that we're being agist when we shit on the, the milfs and the dilfs.
But it was, he's just, they were, it's just so hot and red.
And they confess it.
And he was like, I'm terrified of getting hurt.
And ever since I got divorced, I don't like, all of them, obviously terrified of getting hurt.
And you know what?
They say that on perfect match too.
We're all scared of getting hurt.
But it doesn't mean you can be a dog.
No.
And surprisingly enough, Darren, the private jet salesman.
Not being a dog.
Less of a dog than the man who made dinner for.
Lynette. He was like fairly appropriately like, oh, go-go-go-go-o, like staring at Kelly Mac's tits in the bath,
but also you're in the bath with her. Yeah. Stare away. I think that's fine. They're great tits.
They're great. Take a look. She has fit-toe, yeah. Yeah. Pilates instructor.
If I was a young buck at, actually, I wouldn't be allowed in because I'm neither old enough or nor young enough to be a part of it, but I would go after her. She's the hottest. And she's the oldest.
She's real hot.
But also, why does everyone want to go after Sam?
I don't know.
Sam is so not hot.
The young dude, like, he's so not.
I just don't think he's hot at all.
I know.
Sam is, Sam has, like, precocious child syndrome where he's just like, obviously everybody's
always told him what, I think I've said this before, but he seems like one of those kids
who was told, like, you're really mature for your age.
And now he just seems like kind of dead on the inside.
Yeah.
I'm worried about Sam.
There's no one at, nothing.
of the Delphs at Milf Manor,
none of the Sons or the Delfts
are going to get it from us.
Well, speaking of dead-eyed,
can we now transition over to perfect match?
Because I've got to talk about my disappointment.
I will say this about perfect match.
And now I kind of remember this from the first season
of why I don't remember anything about the first season.
The game is inherently flawed.
They keep trying to like throw wrenches.
I don't know where you guys are at.
We're on episode eight of 10.
I'm all caught up.
With the 10th.
And so I know that the 8th one, they're mixing it up by like, whatever, spoiler alert.
They're like bringing people back or whatever is like a big test.
But by this time, they keep doing this thing where it's literally just like, let's bring two new people in the house.
And they're going to go on a date with two of the people in the house and possibly break up one of the extremely tight bonds at this point.
And even the last two people who came in their house were just like, we thought we were walking into like a fun single.
mingles mixer and it ended up we're at this weird like married people retreat like everybody is just so
completely committed to their person because they know that that's to have the best chances to win
the game to win so everybody's like even if i'm not even into this guy fully we're if i choose him at
the end of the night to match with a it's easier because we've already established a basic connection
everything i'm not going home and yeah i'm not going home and i look good because
I didn't betray the guy to be with the new hot thing.
And by this point, it's just like over, you know?
And I don't even think pretty much all of...
You wait until that last episode.
Yeah, that's the thing.
And I'm sure they're going to, hopefully they're going to change some stuff up.
But this is like, this run that we were in, like, episodes like six and seven were just so, like, they brought people in.
And they just, the people left.
Although I will say, Holly pulls a real Christine Aguilera.
I, that person, that woman is unrecognizable from her turn onto Hoth to handle.
The work that's been done.
And again, I have to reiterate that I'm not, I'm not like opposed to it.
I'm just kind of blown away because I think we've got to the point finally where like,
she looks unrecognizable, but she doesn't look insane.
She just literally looks like a different person, you know, whereas in the past,
if you went too far with the plus surgery, I feel like, and look different, you also
looked like distorted, you know, like stuff was all blown out in weird ways.
and that still happens,
but she just looks like what's,
what Carda,
uh,
Caitlin Jenner or whatever.
A Jenner.
Yeah,
she looks like that.
Yeah.
They're all trying to look like her.
They're all trying to look like,
is it Caitlin?
Kylie.
Kylie Jenner?
They're all trying to look like,
uh,
I think, yeah.
Kylie.
The one,
the,
yeah,
with all the big,
with the little button nose and the little,
yeah,
everyone's trying to look like her.
And it's fucking weird.
There was a,
Gidea and I were watching a TikTok.
I have to sit,
have him,
send it to me and send it to you guys is a TikTok of somebody showing their dad images of
like very famous people one of whom was Kylie Jenner um like Lady Gaga was one like you know
the type of famous people that you'd think that everybody would recognize and then interspersed
were like images from extremely deep cut Star Trek episodes and the dad got every single famous
person wrong and knew every single Star Trek character. That's so funny. But the
the Jenner.
It was like,
Gideon was like,
I don't know who that is.
He knew most of them.
But then at one,
but he was like,
I don't know who these people are either.
He knew all the Star Trek ones or two, of course.
But then he was like,
who are the Jenners?
And I was like, you know what?
At this point, if you don't know,
you're not going to know.
And you can just say, you don't need to know.
You're lucky.
But it's just so weird that we're at the point now
where we can pick a human
to be the ideal face look.
And then everybody just actually attempt to copy it.
It's fucking weird, man.
And again, I can't hate it.
I just, I'm just blown away.
Holly was gorgeous.
Now she just looks like Kylie Jenner.
It's just so bizarre.
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Man, who's gorgeous.
Zanty.
Zanty's so fucking hot, man.
I just can't with her, dude.
I can't with it.
Which one was she?
Oh, yeah, she's so hot.
From the circle.
She's so hot, but she, I didn't like that she wasn't, I don't know,
she wasn't down to clown a little bit in this way.
No, I think that she has a lot more boundaries.
Yeah, she has boundaries, which I'm fine with,
but I'm here to watch a complete lack of boundaries.
This is the problem.
And in perfect mention, I'm here to see people betrayals and horniness abound and, you know,
all this kind of stuff.
And instead, everyone's like,
we're married now.
And I just...
No, that last episode is,
they shake it.
Good.
I'm glad the fine...
And the last one they do it.
But yeah, it was just a run of...
Although the whole...
Did they?
Didn't they?
The whole gaslighting
section of the episodes
when Harry just straight up,
which I love,
there's this article that says
Harry Jousey
straight up says
he does not remember
filming any of season two.
He was that fucked up.
Whoa.
He was just, yeah, and I noticed Lexi all the time we'd be like, he's trashed.
Yeah.
Like he was just hammered.
And they're all trashed.
But then that was the whole thing is that like they did that whole thing where they separated
the genders and then they brought all the other people that weren't in the house.
I'm excited for this.
I'm like, okay, let's get some, let's get some shenanigans going.
So that, so Harry and Melinda are getting real close and right off camera, he kissing.
her. And then they'd spend an episode and a half where he keeps being like, that never
happened. That never happened. She wants a 10 minutes. She wants a 10 minutes. That never happened. That never
happened. And she just keeps me like, that totally happened. Yeah. And he's like, she straight up said to me that
she was going to get her 10 minutes, her 10 minutes before. She kissed me. And then, but then he's
claiming that it never happened. And then she's just straight up like, you are just,
gaslighting me.
And like other people saw it happen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so there's all of that.
But then it's just everything with Jess, where she's just like, my daughter's going to see
this and I'm going to make the good decisions for my daughter.
Your daughter is also watching you do all of this.
You're going to say that everything you do is so that your daughter can be proudy.
Like, don't give me that fucking bullshit.
Yeah.
Why are you on this fucking show, Jess?
What are you on this fucking show for to get laid?
You are trying to fuck Harry Joussey
that everybody that watches reality television knows that he's the biggest fuck.
Don't give me this shit.
Don't give me this shit.
The standout line for me so far is Tolu, who's also talking about who's watching her on the show in episode.
I think it was early, episode two or three.
and when they're doing the blindfolded kissing challenge
and she's like, my Nigerian parents
are going to be watching this show
screaming, you're a child of God!
Why are you kissing people blindfolded on the beach?
And that's like, that is the best.
She's the one who's like, you know what,
we're all humiliating ourselves here.
And then at one point she just goes,
my parents can't watch this,
my parents can't watch this.
And then she goes, I'm sorry to the Nigerian community.
And I was like, all right, have your mental breakdown to lose.
I love this from Harry.
Another reason why I was sweating profusely is, again, I was coming off a 13-month break
of alcohol and everything like that.
So his tolerance was low and he got drunk quicker.
There was no limits with the alcohol.
So we just kept going.
And I realized that maybe there's alcoholic tendencies in me coming out.
He also said that the cast would sneak alcohol into the vans on the way to challenges.
So like some of the cast of us.
So they were just getting fucking blasties.
So that's why I don't remember much of the show because I was absolutely sideways,
90% of the time.
There's a lot of conversations and things
that we all see that I'm seeing
for the first time.
Specifically watch in the last episode
as things are like switching up
and people are going with other people,
look and watch
Izzy.
And Izzy's, he's little,
eyes half of just like,
yeah, yeah, no,
like I watching that interact with,
I won't even say who it's with.
I was just like,
I feel that this
person should not be making any decisions right now.
Often, we would point out, like, that person's wasted.
Like, we would see it all the time.
We'd be like, that person is legit, fucking lit the fuck up.
And I do think that Harry, I don't think Harry's not an asshole without alcohol,
but I could tell when he especially is a dick, it's that drunk energy that, like,
I don't give a fuck.
I have no patience for this person's feelings.
It's that kind of, like, drunk stupor kind of dick-headedness that he presents.
Totally.
And then to go and not remember.
He didn't keep saying he wants to be a dad.
Like, he's ready to be a dad.
I don't know why he keeps saying that.
He keeps saying he wants a wife.
But you don't want a wife.
Yeah.
You don't want a wife.
And that's fine.
You don't need to want a wife.
You're like 25.
Yeah, I know.
Perfect match is definitely, I keep thinking of all the lawsuits being brought against Netflix.
Oh my God.
And like, these are people who would probably be partying and having like a pretty
unhealthy relationship with alcohol, whether or not they were
on Netflix, but I cannot help but feel that it might drive them to drink. And I worry about that,
you know, like I really do. Like, of course, Harry, how much of a different path with that man who
came in to how to how to how to handle as this annoying, hot, drunk guy, right? Like, what is it annoying?
I just am not attracted to Harry whatsoever. No, he's just tall. It's just like so, it's just,
it is the classic version of he's tall. I guess. Yeah, man. I, I, you know, I,
He's got, I guess, something that, I mean, I imagine he's also very charming.
I would assume if you were that kind of person.
I just don't like that little boy charm.
No.
The like, oh, I'm just a little baby boy.
Oh, I don't know the difference.
I wouldn't know any better.
Like, then get away from me, bro.
I was going to say earlier that you were doing a good hairy accent and that usually your
British accents all turn into the spider who's giving away Scrooge's blankets in Muppa Christmas
Carol, but that was, you just didn't.
That one's, yeah, no, no.
Yeah, I fall into it.
Give me enough time, and I'll fall ass over tea kettle right back into that.
I will say that something about this show, honestly, all these shows that always surprises me,
is that their tits, like, never move.
And I don't know if they're all just fake, but, like, I watched so many of these, like, little teeny keemies.
Yes.
How are they keeping the triside, right?
Where you're seeing every side.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm so, I was just like, I'm, I can't keep my eyes off of it and not just.
because I'm looking, but also I am looking.
There's something about it that just like I can't stop thinking about it sometimes.
I think it's because to think about being drunk, like we've all been drunk on stage, right?
We all, the idea of, so then to have to choose to be like, I'm going to be drunk on camera is like a bolder choice.
But, you know, I think we've probably all done that too.
Like, but, you know, like, I'm to be drunk on like a highly produced show.
Okay, like, you're going to want to make sure you have like a sense of when you've gone too far if you're going to do that.
But go for it.
But then also to be drunk on camera with cameras everywhere and to have only tiny triangles covering your nips.
Right.
You know.
Yeah.
That are all your feelings, too, because, like, Micah, I'm sorry, girl.
You are not made for this show.
No.
You should not be on this show.
I think love is blind.
has no place being in the reality world alongside.
Yes.
Mike is trying to be a bad bitch
and she's not a bad bitch.
She's just not.
She's an insecure bitch.
And she tries and it just screams insecurity
rather than like owning herself.
Like it's just very, as the episodes go on,
that last episode I was like,
girl, you're making me so uncomfortable.
She's been making me uncomfortable for three episodes down.
I'm like,
Cas, bro.
It gets worse, bro.
Gets fucking worse.
And every time you can we talk, he's just like,
bro, I just started talking
this other chick. Anyways,
yeah, it's, I'm so excited now.
I'm so excited to see it shake up because I'm just,
I'm just, we're all
just so in love with each. I love that they're all
wasted too, but that's what
good reality makes for sure.
I mean, I'm watching it.
I am, and there's only one episode
left. Like, how did this even happen?
I know. It's going by way too fast.
And also, if you fall behind, I'm like, this morning, I was like,
oh, I guess I have 10 hours of perfect match to catch up on, you know?
So it's tough.
Yeah, they dropped it in huge bundles.
I also have 10 hours of Bridgerton to catch up on Jackie.
How's the second half of that season?
Great.
It's great.
It is, you know, I have been reading some of the reviews of the people that are unhappy with some of the choices.
I've heard there's actually, Jake was telling me that it's not getting, it's getting some negative reaction.
Because of the books.
It's because they have gone astray from the books and some of the choices.
And that is what people are upset about.
As someone that has not read the books and knows nothing of how it's supposed to be, I'm loving it.
Nice.
My mom and I ended up talking about Bridgetton for a long time.
None of the actual scenes, of course.
And I will say, man, when Nicholas said that she had perfect breasts, she was not joking.
I literally want to take a screenshot
and I want to bring it to a breast doctor
and say these please.
I would like these exact breasts please.
Thank you very much.
I want her breasts.
She was completely correct.
I love the fuck scenes between them.
I love what they did with it.
Of course, I don't like any tension
and I only want there to be love.
So I definitely was just like,
okay, we need to get to some kind of resolution
because now I'm a bit of.
upset and I want them to be in love. I understand why they broke it up into two separate parts,
I guess. I'm still mad that they broke it up into two separate parts and I feel like that was all
just a way to, oh, just keep us on the fucking line. You know what? They did a great job because all the
PR did was put out fun articles between the last drop and this drop and I am here for a lot of it.
And again, as someone that knew nothing about where the story was going, I'm really enjoying it.
And I understand at least what I've read about what they changed.
And I understand the reasons why they changed it.
And I think that that is a lot of fun.
And I understand that they wanted to bring in more like LGBTIQIA representation.
And that's a lot of fun.
And I understand that it's difficult to do within the confines of working during the, what is this, the regency period.
You know, I understand that that is, and everyone's like,
they wouldn't do that.
That's not how it would be.
It's like, you're right.
But also, a lot of this shit wouldn't be happening.
Let's be real here.
All right, guys?
Honestly, everything that I've seen is people is saying that people who like the books
more than the show, like, got to let that go because the show is trying to do things
better than how the books do that.
And, of course, I understand book loyalists.
I'm an obnoxious book loyalist.
Me too.
I also, yes, I get it.
That's why I can't speak towards.
that, you know, that world of upset.
Because I imagine if I had spent a bunch of time reading them, I'd want the story to be
the story.
Right, right.
But it seems like the consensus that I've seen is that most of the book, where they divert
from the books, like you were saying, is to make it, like, more equitable.
Inclusive.
But also, Nicola Coughlin is amazing.
And I want to be her.
And I want to kiss her.
And I want to be friends with her.
And I'd like to just, like, you know, if I could just, like, inhabit her body every once in a
while, that would be awesome.
Yeah, I think that's a good goal.
You could put that.
Is that scary?
Put it on your vision board.
To be her.
Manifest it.
Make a vision board.
Yeah, inhabiting somebody.
Yeah, I need to start someone.
If you manifest being a whole other person.
I have a, all right, I would just throw this out real quick because I'm just a little bit
into this.
But I definitely, there was an article, Jackie Sten out, Tate-related article about
Maddie Healy, all of a sudden being engaged to this woman named like Jolette or whatever,
Gisette or something like that.
And so I looked into it.
I was curious who this person was
who seemed to come out of nowhere.
I initially described her as,
I felt she was ghoulish looking
in the initial pictures that I saw.
Gabriette.
And then I'm like,
what is her deal?
And I come to find out,
I'm like, oh, she's like one of those.
Like, you know, she's in,
I believe she's even in
Charlie XX's 360 video
with all the weird internet it girls,
essentially.
And I look her up and I find,
that she's on a Netflix show, a documentary miniseries called I'm With the Band, Nasty Cherry.
And it's Charlie X-E-X literally like trying to be kind of like, you know what they do with boy bands,
but for like a punk rock girl group.
She like puts together a four-piece, like, punk group and tries to like get them over.
Whoa.
And two of the musicians are like, two of them are like skilled musicians, the drummer and the guitarist.
Oh, I'm in the band.
No, I'm with the band.
Nasty Cherry.
I'm with the band.
And, yeah, the guitarist and the drummer are skilled musicians.
The bassist and the lead singer, the lead singer being Gabriette, are not, are just, like, beautiful, interesting women that they're going to try to, like, create, turn into rock stars, right?
That's fun.
And so, it's so, and oh, how Gabriette can pout.
and oh how she can scowl and look interesting.
And I'm only in episode in, but I was riveted.
And I was almost disappointed when we went to perfect match.
And it was like kind of like another letdown episode because I was like,
I kind of want to keep watching this.
I'm with the band thing.
It's six episodes long.
And, you know, it's very carpet for the horse like Charlie XX like takes them on a big
like red carpet event.
And then they throw this big like house party.
And right now they look like a cool band.
But can they make a song?
that's cool?
We'll see.
It's really,
it's really a lot of fun so far,
especially like seeing Charlie XX.
It's really this four-piece group,
this Charlie XX's friend
who's playing like the manager of the group,
and then Charlie X-E-X is there
to like kind of oversee everything.
And it's just, I'm loving it.
I think it's really fun.
I love that this,
that you found this show
just by being like,
who's this bitch who's engaged
to Matt Heel?
It's so interesting.
But also, apparently
there's a remembering gene.
Wilder documents.
I saw that.
It just dropped on Netflix,
so I just wrote that down.
Oh, God.
Yeah, there's the Jim Hinson
documentary on HBO or on Disney.
And the fucking reading rainbow documentary.
There's just so many
wholesome child,
sad child.
Pointingent documentaries right now
that I can't handle.
Oh, I can't, yeah,
I don't know if I'm emotionally
strong enough for the Jim Henson documentary,
but I was emotionally strong enough
for Inside Out too,
which was also,
oh my God.
My kids very first go to
The theater theater experience.
What did they think?
Oh, it was great.
I felt like, I feel like as a parent, I unlocked a new level of joy just to be like,
yeah, this is awesome.
And also my kids are old enough that they can do it.
And they've also seen, they love watching movies.
Like they have the attention span to sit and watch a whole movie and they've got it a lot.
And oftentimes if they're watching like, you know, the Lord of the Rings with Gideon,
we'll break that up over the course of several days.
Sure, sure.
They've seen Inside Out and have you recently rewatch Inside Out?
Because I realize on my way to see Inside Out too, I don't think I've seen Inside Out since I saw it in the movie theater original.
Oh, really?
Oh, yeah.
We watched it the night before we went to like prepare them.
Of course.
We all watched it together.
But yeah, we've seen Inside Out many times.
We watch it with them a lot.
I would say at least once every few months.
And I would recommend to anyone with children.
and also anyone who has not been to therapy or can't afford therapy or is just beginning your self-awareness emotional journey.
Watch Inside Out if you haven't seen it.
I was like telling my parents to watch it.
Like it's just, it's the way that it, when I was in my school counselor like mental health training program, we talked about Inside Out.
Oh yeah.
A lot of counselors use it as a tool like to say, you know, we all have these emotions in us.
You can't get rid of them.
They're just there.
And you have to figure out what job they have.
No one talked to me about that emotion, talked to me that way about emotions.
Right.
Until I was 35.
Letting emotions guide you.
And the science find it's really interesting.
So we did an inside out, a Whizbru episode recently.
Oh, yeah?
And so, yeah, they used this, like, a team of scientists that work on the science of the mind from Berkeley.
Wow.
And it was really cool.
Like, there was a real, a lot out there about the science behind, like, how they created, you know,
went about creating a lot of the.
the stuff that you see in the movie. And it's a lot of it's based on, you know, on real findings,
you know? And it really helped me out to do that research because lately I've been trying to,
like, grapple with different emotions, things like that. And it's like using your emotions,
right, as a guide, right? Like, so you don't want it to get out of hand, but like if you're mad
about something, look at it more like, what's the, what's this telling me about what's going on?
And then, like, try to look at it, kind of maybe bring it to a less emotional place with how you
can solve the problem or how you can.
Right. Seeing it as a reaction rather than actually just how you feel.
So yeah, it's, I love it. And so I'm excited for the sequel. I'm going to go with Lexi on,
I think on Thursday night to see it. Get ready to cry. I did not cry as much as I did it
inside out one, but I mean, yeah, there's no Bing Bonn. So thank God there's no Bing Bon. Yeah, as much as
I do, I should say, because I cry every time. I've seen Inside Out one many times now and I'll cry every time.
but it was, I think in terms of being like a coming of age movie,
it is, it really, like, I would love for every 13 year old alive to see this movie.
It certainly hurt in a way I wasn't expect, like, I'm just like, it's like, you,
you think puberty was such a long time ago, and then you watch something like that,
and you're just like, man, but it was like it was yesterday.
Yeah.
And even the first one is basically about, like, is it about growing up, right?
It's about growing up from being a little kid to a bigger kid.
Yeah.
And then this is like growing up into being an even bigger kid.
And, you know, just the premise is like, as you grow up, you get new, harder, more complex emotions.
And like, what the fuck?
And like, yeah, I'm like, I'm watching it as a 38 year old.
I'm like, yeah, what the fuck?
Right.
I think they did a great job.
I want to read, I haven't read any reviews of it or anything.
I was just focused on like the experience of doing it as a parent.
But afterwards, I was like, I think I loved it.
Like, I think they did a really good job with it.
I think that it would be very helpful for people struggling with emotions like anxiety.
Like, I think it would be really helpful tool.
And it's not just like a tool.
It's also a really good, really moving story.
And just honestly, the idea of like, I think it gives really good ways of giving vocabulary to the anxiety and like talking out and like giving it something that is, you know, an actual thing.
inside of it. Honestly, it makes me think of
when we read how to stop smoking
by Alan Carr.
The idea of a nicotine
monster living inside of my brain and you
feeding the monster and like
you being the creator of
the monster is
an idea that helped me out a lot.
And so just thinking of anxiety is
something that is, you know, honestly, it's even
something that I've learned how to do in therapy, but
it took me years to do. Whereas
separating yourself from the feeling so that like anxiety is something separate from you.
It's something that lives within you, but it does not consume you and things like that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.
And like that if the kind of big idea of the first movie is that like all emotions have a job,
I feel like in the second movie, it's like, okay.
And just like you can't push away sadness.
Sadness has an important job, but also you don't want to let one emotion take the wheel
and push everyone else away either.
Yes, it's so well done visually.
Incredible.
So cool.
Yeah.
And honestly, I'll watch a million more of these.
I want to watch Riley going to college.
Yeah, they should do.
I want to watch Riley leaving college.
I want to see it forever.
I want to see how boyhood, but for Riley.
Right?
Yes, but for Riley.
Like, I want to watch all of it because, like,
we all know we're all in our late 30s, early 40s,
and like new shit still crops up.
Yeah.
That you're like, I thought I felt
everything that I was supposed to have felt at this point.
Right.
You know, but you haven't.
Yeah.
Things change.
Yeah.
Oh man.
Highly, highly recommend.
And also really fun to see in the theater.
Hell yeah.
It's a real go to the movies.
I know.
I felt weird going, we were like, really, we're going to go see like kind of a kids movie,
but I'm like, well, it truly is the only thing that looks.
What's deal with that bike rider's movie, though?
Is that, is that?
I'm going to watch the fuck out of it.
Yeah, what's the deal with that?
I kind of am interested in that.
Part of me wanted to, like, check that up.
But I'm like, honestly, though, inside out.
Did either you guys do it in 3D?
No, I don't like doing movies in 3D.
I can't do 3D, yeah.
I get too cute.
We might do 3D.
We were talking about it.
But yeah, yeah, this fucking bike writers movies looks cool as shit from a
Jeff Diggles.
Just looks like a throwback to like 70s.
It's a dude that may take shelter.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like, and it feels like a throwback to 70s, like, kind of fun, kind of outlaw movies, you know.
So I'm also sexy, sexy cast.
Yeah, I'll watch a.
them riding some motorcycles.
Totally. Yeah, I will watch them do accents.
You know, some of them are just trying some on and we'll see how it goes.
But I will, I'm going to watch the hell out of it.
I'm excited about it.
Speaking of things that are, well, things that came out this week that I'm not all cut
up on yet, but I am really desperately trying to.
Holden, did you watch the first season of House of the Dragon?
We watched like an episode and just, I am kind of.
of good on that.
I'm like way more into like reality shows,
docu series, and if it's gonna be a prestige show,
it's just gotta be so different.
I'm just so used to, especially fantasy and stuff like that.
So no, I am not prepared for season two
of House of the Dragon, right?
Is that what's happening right now?
Are you, I mean, are you in?
I sat in the room with Gideon while he watched it, Jackie,
so I'm there with you.
I mean, are you in?
The people are hot.
The dragons are cool.
You know, I read Game of Thrones, I watched Game of Thrones, I had no desire to watch House of the Dragon.
I was just like, it's just the same fucking thing.
But everyone was so excited about the next season coming out that I was like, you know what?
I'm jumping in.
And, you know, I made it six hours later.
And I was like, I'm digging this.
You know, it's fun characters.
At least it's still fun, but it is, it's Game of Thrones.
Yeah.
But there's more dragons.
I feel like once you're in there, once you're in it that many episodes,
you're probably going to keep going.
I'm just like, it's so hard to commit.
And I wanted to catch up because I want, like, you know, here on the show,
we try to stay abreast of like all the big shows.
And they even put a dragon on the Empire State Building.
Like this is, they're putting a lot of money into the show.
And I feel like I shouldn't just write it off just because I didn't want to watch any more
Game of Thrones things.
But what I am saying is that.
that if you have like a partner or someone in your home that's like, please can we watch it?
It's enjoyable.
Totally.
I really like the like the badass bitches in it as well.
And of course that first episode that like we all knew what happened in the first episode from the first season because everybody talked about it.
And yeah, I think there are some things that I'm like, you're just trying to be like, do you see how disgusting we can be?
And it's like, yeah, I can.
All right.
All right.
Rip the baby out.
Okay, yep, I see it.
It's so, somebody who's I lived for that back in the day and I'm so over that.
Like, I just, I'm so numb to it at this point.
Like, yeah, how violent or sexual they can get.
In the opposite way, I really still enjoy the boys, which we are watching every episode.
They just dropped three episodes.
We watched all three episodes for season four of the boys.
And that's another show that's like really, really.
violent and very explosive,
but it's supposed to be.
It's supposed to be this upsetting.
There's a little bit about the boys
that I'm kind of like, all right,
it's always like,
Homelander always wins.
He's always got him,
which I know is like the world of comic books at times.
So there's certain parts of it
that I'm like, all right, yeah, we get it.
He's bad.
Yeah, he's really bad.
We get it.
Let's continue.
But again, still really enjoying it.
Hell yeah.
Great.
Yeah, I feel like we're just never going to have that same feeling we had when Game of Thrones was on.
It's Sunday.
Everyone's watching it.
It's kind of like, stop trying to make Game of Thrones happen.
They're trying, desperately.
You know, yeah, but I'll sit in the room and I'll support you.
And it is a great show for me to half be shopping on my phone.
Yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah.
And then, like, I'll pause at me like, wait, why is this happening?
And Jeff will pause it.
We cut around tits off and he's torturing her.
Like, oh, okay, great.
We can continue.
So I will say, if you need a half-ass show to watch with someone, you could do it with
this show.
Perfect.
All right.
Anything else on the docket before we get out of here?
I feel like everything else I'm watching is Borough-Snorrow for both of you guys, and you
wouldn't care because I've been watching a lot of dropout stuff.
I've been learning more about the world of D&D.
I've also been watching dropout stuff.
It's fun.
But shout-outs to Dropout on.
Dropouts great.
I started watching Dimension 20,
so they've got like the crown of candy,
which is like a whole candy D&D campaign.
Nice.
We started watching that,
and essentially it makes me feel like funny people
are reading me nighttime stories,
and it's perfect.
Nice.
I'd hell yeah.
All right, well, that's our talking TV, I think.
Let's sing the song and get out of here.
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