Page 7 - The Shadow of Twilight w/ Kara Klenk

Episode Date: April 9, 2026

This week MJ and Jackie are joined by Kara Klenk, to goss' 'bout the rewatch of "Desperate Housewives" Jackie and MJ are doin', Sarah Michelle Gellar is on a media tour for "Ready Or Not 2" and spillin' some fun tea on how Freddie Prinze Jr "accidentally" destroys all technology near him! Jackie has a wonderful time watching "The Drama" and that Zendaya and RBats are great in it, which leads to a trip down Twilight memory lane, including Jackie reveals her secret Twilight tattoo to Kara, much to her chagrin while giving her flashbacks to her MTV social media manager days! Then there's even more Jen Shaw drama, and Kara brings up some drama from the Bravo series "Summer House", and then it's time for some talk 'bout the unfortunate continued existence of "SLOMW." Then it's on to THE LIST of couples who were DESTROYED by the court of public opinion, the blindz, and a fruity chewy Jackie's Snackies that contains NO WINE or WHINE @ 1:15:08.563 and a very confusing MJ's Minute Munchies @ 1:26:09.000 that runs til @ 1:32:22.198, plus even more on this week's Page 7! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This goes out to MJ because I can't believe after all of the years of knowing them, I just found out they've never seen the movie Scrooge. Think of your fellow man. Land him a helping hand. Put a little love in your heart. You see it's getting late. Oh, please don't hesitate. Put a little heart.

Yes, Kara. And the world will be a better place. And the world. And the world will be a better place. We'll be a better place for you, oh, you and me, and me, you just wait and sleep. Oh, my God. I had to, okay, because also.

I'm obsessed with Scrooge. It's my favorite Christmas movie. It is also my favorite Christmas movie, Kara. I feel like this is one of those things that MJ's going to, we're going to do this later on this year in the holidays, where MJ's going to watch Scrooge and be like, oh my God, I didn't realize this was a great movie that you guys watch every year. Yes, I'm sorry I have room for only one Christmas Carol inspired Christmas movie in

my heart, okay, and I go with the Muppet. And that is the Muppet Christmas Carol. I know I can always make more room for Charles Dickens inspired movies. I mean, we got Bobcat Gullthwaite. Oh my God. We got Carol Kane. Oh my God. And also, Kara, the reason why this came up is because we just finished the first season of Desperate Housewives, and Alphrey Woodard has just entered Wisteria Lane. Oh, I forgot when she was there. And so I, when that bitch got out of the car and I was like, Alphrey Woodard, I flipped out. I love Alphrey Woodard. And then MJ...

Yeah, but I didn't think Alphrey Woodard would like, no offense, because, you know, I watched Desperate Housewives tip to tail, but that she would do, like, soapy TV like that. She's a much higher quality. She's a higher caliber. It's like Merrill Streep showing. up on Wisteria Lane. Yes, that's what I thought. Because I know Alphrey Woodard from Luke Cage,

and she's so good in Luke Cage, and I was like, this prestige actor is doing Desperate Housewives. Okay. Desperate Housewives? Wait, wait, can you remind me what her role was? We don't know. We don't know. She just showed up.

Oh, okay. She just showed up, and so she bought a house on Wisteria Lane over the phone from Eadie. So Eadie shows up, and she's like, I just want to welcome you to the neighborhood. She's got a beef with one of them from the past. Oh, she's got secrets. Oh, she's got secrets.

I forgot. MJ and I literally, like, I literally finished the first season this morning. I watched the last two episodes at 6.30 this morning. And head to Dale. Amazing season. I've never loved a show more than Desperate Housewives. You know what? It's like, it was such a sensation that now I'm thinking like, yeah, maybe Alphrey Woodard was like, sure.

Like, it's, it was so big at the time. But it wasn't big when she was on it because like, I mean, I know the first season went well, but she was in the last episode. So it wasn't like they would have known when she was shooting. You know what I mean? Right. Right. Well. So I think she took, I think that was a roll of the dice for Alfred Woodard.

Oh, you're right. Because if they, yeah, I guess if they shot the whole thing before anything was shot was, was released. Yes. She wouldn't know that people were loving it. I mean, not to white night, you know. Ava Longoria and Terry Hatcher, but I'm not saying they're actors in the same category as Alphrey Woodard. But there are, it is a show with big names, we could say. But no one knew who Eva Longoria was before that show.

That was the show that they ever popped her off. I think so. I think she was maybe on actual soaps before that. I did not know who Eva Longoria was before that show. I had, I knew who Terry Hatcher was from like Lois and Clark. Oh, yes. And other stuff. And other stuff.

Which I think that he's, uh, forever. We cannot ever. I can remember again, but... I'm Giffledged Sheridan from life and being with Michael Bolton. And I had never... From life. And I honestly don't even think I really knew Felicity Huffman very well. Yeah.

No. Because I had never watched Sports Night was her big show, right? Oh, is that what it was? I never watched that. I never watched that. And also, you are correct. This is definitely what started Ava Langoria's whole career. Isn't it fun to think about how many actors got their start and soaps?

Like in the Sarah Michelle Geller interview, which I just loved everything about it, but she was talking about how she knew Michelle Tractonberg because they had both been in, now I forget which soap it was. But that was how they... All my children. I'm a Pine Valley girl, so I knew it was all my children. Really? I wasn't as the world turnser, but that had Julianne Moore in it. Sarah Michelle Geller was actually on like a teen soap called Swan's Crossing that I was obsessed with. And I would come, they would replay episodes at like six in the morning, and I would sneak downstairs

because I wasn't allowed to watch TV during the week, and I would watch Swans Crossing at 6 a.m. with my hand on the power button in case my parents came downstairs. Oh, I could see. Oh, because this is like,

this seems like it's almost like a Melrose place a pre-teen Melrose place. It is Sarah Michelle Geller. It is, right? Yes. Yeah, yes, it is. And I wonder if that's like, was it in the realm of a DeGrasse,

or was it? No, because it was so much more soapy. It literally looked like, like all my children, but with like younger people in it. Wow. That's funny. Like, DeGrasi has like such a specific look to it. And this was not that. It was like the soft focus world of all my children, but like with kids, like teens. There needs to be more soaps for kids. I would watch soaps for kids in a

heartbeat. Oh my God. Now I'm like, can I, can I introduce my children to swans crossing? I mean, it was things with real people yet. They just want animation. Oh, I know. Oscars like that. In my head, I just started singing, S-O-A-P-E-S-O-A-P-E-S-O-A-P-S-O-A-B-S-A-S-A for kids. That is from 1877 Cars for Kids, which is a... How dare you? Horrific, which is in my head for the rest of the day now. Thanks, Jackie. Sorry, just the game to all you guys.

And now we're thinking about cars for kids. But we have other things to talk about. Sorry, Swans Crossing. But we will still talk about Sarah Michelle Geller. Because, yeah, I asked Kara a very important. question. I did ask if Tara and also husband is Jared Logan, who is also on, he's on Vampire the Masquerade here on LPN. Do you feel like you are becoming like the Sarah Michelle Geller? Because it really is. I think that everybody forgets every like five years that Sarah Michelle Geller and Freddie

Prince Jr. are still married. I feel like they have everybody re-remembers. Do you feel like you are the Sarah Michelle Geller and Freddie Prince Jr. Of the comedy world. I mean, we don't have that. We don't have that longevity under our belt yet. Haven't they been married for like how long they've been together? They got together and they said they keep forgetting how long they've been together. But they started dating in the year 2000.

So it's easy to remember. So they've been together. That's how they remember. 26 years. Which is so nice. I don't know why that makes me so happy for them. But it does. And Jared and I've been together since 2010.

So that's 16 years. And it was my brother's party. Launched your relationship, right? Or that was where you guys sit. Yes. A roof at your brother's part. parties where we first made out. Yes. Well, that was the softest hard launch. Yes. Oh my God, that was so crazy. There was like a section of that roof where people would pee.

Yeah, and then it caved in from all the pee. Oh, yes. Yeah. We pissed in the roof. Yeah. We've talked about. Yes. Sarah Michelle Geller. That's how romantic it started. Sarah Michelle Geller and Freddie Prince Jr. don't even know that life, you know. They've never been on a roof that caved in. Sarah Michelle Geller and Freddie Pins Jr. probably also have a piss roof. I'm sure they have a piss roof. Yeah, with two kids. I'm on the same level as them. And they started with a piss room.

They are like the, like the, I have a lot of friends who met in high school and got married and many of them are still together. And I, and I, it's, you know, different. I, I, I, I wandered and I made mistakes and I sowed many wild oats and I, until meeting my husband. And I always think it's so interesting to look at my friends who met in high school or even in college and are still together. And I, I do feel like Sarah Michelle Geller and Frady Prince Jr., meeting in 1997 for I know what you did last summer and then getting together shortly after. But then, you know, the whole thing about a long relationship is you got to just be able to grow together. And I think it's, I really like admire that they met at this young hot stars and have aged through into this.

Because both of them could have been like by at any point. Yeah. Like, I don't know, be in a relationship that would have grabbed headlines more. Especially back then, if you think about it, because you think about all of the big start, like, at the turn of, like, turning 2000, like, you think of like the Brit Brits and the JT's. We're thinking about it's like, think about what these poor young people that were in the spotlight trying to date each other, how desperately they were ripped at. Ripped that, ripped that, rip that. The fact that, I mean, you know, you look at like a J-Lo and a Ben Affleck, they've openly said the publicity and what, like, everything that happened is what ripped them. apart the first and, I think, eventually, the second time as well.

And the fact that they made it, well, yeah, I think it was a couple of other things by then. Yeah, I think it was definitely her. But I'm surprised that they were able to make it through that. And I do wonder, like, even in this article that I included, Sarah Michelle Geller, because she's on the press tour right now, still for ready or not two, and all the hubbub with everything with Buffy. And she was talking about how she calls Freddie Prince Jr. a Luddite because he's, like, like barely online.

That's probably what's also helped there. I thought exactly what I was about to say. I wonder if that has anything to do with it, the fact that he's really never done any of that stuff. And he didn't want to and didn't have to. Yeah. And that is such a, whenever I talk about like, oh, social media and then someone's like,

oh, I'm not even on it anymore. You should just get off of it. I'm like, I need it for work. What does he do now, though? What's he up here? I think, is that it? Like, he just doesn't really, Because that's a thing.

It's like, you have the luxury of not being on social media. But like even famous actors are talking about now how movies want you to have a certain follower account before they cast you and shit. So it's like, is he working? Okay. I'm going to list some of this Freddie Prince Jr.'s recent works. The Girl in the Pool, 2024, which to be fair, does sound like the books I read. The Girl in the Pool.

Christmas with you, 2022. And that is all I'm seeing from the 2020s. Oh, you know what they did. or at least what it seems like, cursory glance, smart. So he's gotten into, he's doing a lot more voice acting and stuff like that. He wrote a cookbook. They also, because they both made so much money young, they invested in real estate. And they just have their land bearers.

They just, they started buying houses and selling houses when, essentially, when they need it. When they need money, they sell a house. And that is, and obviously, cursory glance. don't know, you know, the ins and outs of this. But that is still one of those things that I feel like I follow too many of these, like, take your little bits of money and make it into more money people because I know nothing about money at all. And I'm not following like the MLM people.

I'm not talking about like, use this code. And then you get, I'm not talking about any of that. I'm just talking about overall. You just have to buy a couple products on Amazon. It's called drop shipping. Like genuine, like, you know, high yield savings account, things like that. I know nothing about because I grew up as a trash person. So I'm trying to like learn these things.

And it is something that they say that it's like, I mean, real estate, it goes up and it goes down. But it is usually a good place to put your money. But I again say this knowing nothing and renting an apartment and never have been owned anything in my life. I think that I as I'm thinking about Freddie Prince Jr., I, you know, I'm like, I guess being a landlord is, you know, which is more, which is worse. being a famous celebrity or being a landlord of many homes, whatever. But I realizing as I'm thinking about him that I think that I wrote a little story in my head that he felt such shame after she's all that. And the fact that that movie made us all think that we should all think that like Rachel Lee Cook is ugly,

you know, that he withdrew from public life. And I realize that that's not what happened. But I just... No, it's not his fault. He didn't write the movie, MJ. I know. I'm telling you the dots that I connect. I'm like,

I get it. Freddie Prince Jr. played an asshole in most of those late 90s, early 2000s movies. Yeah. And then he went on to become. Technically, and she's all that. He did kind of have a heart of gold, though. He had his redemption arc and everything. But it's, for me, there's a cognitive dissonance in who Freddie Prince Jr.

has become, which is like admirable husband and good man and who he played 27, 28 years ago, which was usually like jerks, you know. But I also like. the idea that he's been in like sort of semi-retirement and he's like you know what Christmas with you I'll work again I'll do it I'll do Christmas with you the script is actually amazing the script is good yes what the girl in the pool is that like lifetime I need to know more about the girl in the pool it has a 40 oh it looks lifetime it looks very lifetime it's uh it's an American oh it's distributed by quiver written like oh so it's like romance is that romantic

no this is just a mystery thriller this is a What's quiver? I don't even know. It sounds like romance porn. I mean, it sounds like what is made out of basilisk blood and turned into gold and is put inside of his partner inside of Kiss of the Basilisk. And that means that he can get her off from far away. Everybody, everybody's got to read Kiss of the Basilisk.

Guys, the fact that Freddie Prince Jr.'s IMDB page is him wearing like a newsboy cap is just wild. It is. It's a choice. In the year of our Lord, 2026. But you know that's not his choice. I feel like that's one of those things where I feel like. Every time I complain about getting, you know, an email that you have to show me how to shut off the notifications for on my Google calendar. I feel like that's the kind of thing where it's like he's not, he doesn't know what picture is up there about him.

Yeah, it seems like. Mariska Hargatay has one where she truly has like a John and K Plus 8 haircut and she's pretty famous. So I guess they're just like not checking. I guess also Freddie Prince was in the reboot of I know what you did last summer than that. Nobody saw it. Yeah. Or I heard it was bad. I was saying this to MJ because MJ is like, should have.

I really watch, I still know he did, or I know what he did last summer. And I said, no. As someone that watched it before I was going to go see the new one, and I remembered how much that, I mean, I fell asleep while watching, I know what he did last summer. Oh, gee, that it got me to not go to the movie to see the new one. I was like, you know what? I don't even want to see a new one. You know what? I'm good. Yeah. I'm okay. Yeah, I think that was like, I think that was, we could put that in the bucket of like 90s nostalgia slop that didn't need to be made. Totally. I don't. I remember seeing that in the theater. Yeah.

Oh, really? Yeah. I went to the theater to see that. Oh, dude, tell. I was scared. I was scared. Oh, my God, but were you trying to be like, but I'm cool? I'm not scared of this.

No, I think I was being a little baby bitch and closing my eyes and covering my face, probably. Wow. Really? I don't think I was really trying to be cool at scary movies. I'm a real, I'm a real scaredy cat. What year did that come out? I was, I was, I remember. Yeah, so I was like 16.

Yeah. I was a little younger and I was like, I, it was like the sexy, It was like how I thought of Save By the Bell was that I was in second grade and I was like, this is the coolest possible thing that ever could be made. I feel like being in sixth grade when I know what you did last summer and like cruel intentions came out, I was like, this is the sexiest, coolest possible media. And it was like a little bit forbidden. Yeah. I don't even think I saw it, which is weird because I did see scream, which I think is probably much scarier. Yes.

Oh, yeah, much scarier. And just overall a much better movie. but I will say, man, cruel intentions, cruel intentions changed me as a young person. That really sexually... Yeah, yeah, I was really into cruel intentions. I watched it quite a few times, and I remember that this is definitely...

Like, cruel intentions was one of those big ones where it's like, like, the queer alert was going off over, like, really, really loud in my brain, and I was just like, in my head, I'm like, I'm watching it for Ryan. Philippe. I'm watching it. And it's like, it had nothing to do with everybody else. And I just remember being so scared and watching it over and over and over again and just being like, no one can ever know. No one ever. It was just such a sad shame of mine. But also great soundtrack

too. Oh, yeah. Which girls were you thirsting for, obviously, Sarah Michelle. Yeah. Honestly, and Ruth Smith. Griswit. And Selma Blair. Oh, yeah. It was quite the trifecta. It was a... Terrible. But also, it's just Sarah Michelle Geller is so... And that what, I wasn't a Buffy. You know, obviously, MJ and I renewed to Buffy. Yes.

So I didn't know. But I was, I think that Reese Witherspoon had already done fear. Yeah. So I remembered her from fear. So I had liked her from fear. Yes. I liked her from fear. So I was like, this is a crossover in my brain.

But she played someone very different. And then, of course, I fell in love with Reese Wetherspoon. even more because I was like, oh my God, she's such a dynamic actress. Not only she beautiful, but she's dynamic. And then legally blonde comes around the corner and I was just like dead. Now I'm not so much into like the version, like the drunk driving version. Do you know who I am? Do you know who I am?

I think about it. I think about it too often. Do you know who I am is still one of the of like, I'm from sweet home Alabama. You know, I just am in the hell woods. And I just, you know, I was thinking about, honestly, a lot of rom-coms, and we'll get more into this in second helpings, because I did go see the drama. And the drama is being, like, labeled as a rom-com. Really? There's a lot of.

But then there's, like, a big twist, right? Yes. Okay. And now you're making me want to go see it. I want to see it, too. Is it going to be violent and make me feel bad? No, no. I, it's a dark com.

and I'm going to throw it out there, I genuinely had a wonderful time. Oh, yeah? And in afterwards, I was like, no wonder they did this. Like, no wonder Zendaya and Robert Pattinson did this movie. You saw it in the theater, right? I can't see it at home. I mean, I love going to the movies. I'm just like, I don't know if I'm going to have time to see that before it goes out of the theater. Everything goes so quickly. That's why I was like, I didn't know. I knew there was something about the movie because

it was in all the head. And I wanted to see it anyway because Zendaya and Robert Pattinson's 824. The teasers were very interesting. And then I noticed there was a hubbub online. And I was like, okay, I don't want this to be ruined for me. Yeah, I know. That's why I'm like really worried I'm going to get spoiled. Actively trying.

And I, and I somehow navigated doing the page seven work and not getting the movie spoiled for me. And then I got to go see it and I was happy that I did. What a day. You know, what a day's work. And it's so funny because people are upset. And I am, I'm enjoying reading. It is so funny because Henry was frothing about it. And I was like, I don't know what the twist is.

So don't talk to me about it. And he was getting all frowned up. But now I realize afterwards, I'm like, I think you're getting all frowned up because you don't understand. I think you just heard what the twist was and you're making your judgment on that. And fair. But I thought it was. He hasn't even seen it.

Oh, come on. He hasn't even seen it. You can't do that. Not that this is what Henry is doing. think that people, I think that Zendaya is such a rising, like already risen. She has risen. She's been rising. She's still rising. She has risen. Oh my God. She has risen. For spring giving. Jesus Christ. She is our Christ. And she's just doing so well that I feel like everybody wants to poke a hole in her and bring her down. And like there was all these blinds about how like,

oh, the box office is showing that Zendaya isn't the golden ticket. And then I'm looking now at the news coverage of it and it's like the drama's doing well at the box office. Yeah. So I think that everyone wants to be disappointed. Everyone's waiting to be disappointed by Zendaya because she is so like everything she touches turns to gold right now. And I'm sure she'll disappoint us guys. They all disappoint us eventually.

Did they really get married? They did. They did. Okay. Because I didn't know if it was just Law Roach popping his mouth over. No, Zendaya and Tom Holland have genuinely gotten married. And I do think it's fun because you're right, MJ. It's like they also even in the press junket, they were trying to.

trying to like stir up shit and zendaya and robert patinson were just like they genuinely obviously i i know that they're also they're doing the next dune that's coming out and there's another movie that they're also in it's like they've like zendaya and robert patinson just happen to be in like three movies that they've been working together for a while and one of these are they are new meg ryan and tom hanks i mean well i don't know because are we getting a jail version of Volcano remake. I don't think anyone's asking for it, but maybe we are. But I do, it was funny because one of the journalists asked Zendaya and Robert Pattinson, like,

oh, what does Tom Holland and Suki Waterhouse have to say about your relationship and working together so much? And they both looked at each other and laughed and like, they're happy, they're happy. They literally know that we're at work. Are you asking if it's okay for us to do our job, according to. our partners and they're just like laughing and kind of making fun. And they're like, yeah, they're fine with it. Such a weird old school question. It is like, you guys are both hot.

So obviously you want to fuck each other and each other. Right. You feel about it. Exactly. And it's like, no. And I think that honestly, everything that everybody says about Robert Pattinson is that he's genuinely so weird. Yeah. That he's just a very weird guy that it's not like that.

You know, I feel like I remember someone I used. to date. I dated them specifically because I thought they were the weirdest, alienist person I had ever seen. And I was just like, now I realize looking back, they were just undiagnosed and that it was just something that I was like that age. And I realized that wasn't a reason to be with somebody. That, because I just was like, where, how does your brain work? And then you realize, I think it doesn't. And that's why you leave. But I feel like that's, um, hopefully not the case with Robert Pattinson, you know? I'm always happy for him. because I just feel like he has, you know, fought for so long to bust that of the shadow of Twilight.

And I think he finally did a few years ago. And I just, yeah, I know that he's weird and everyone is like, are you an asshole? But it seems like he's just like, he just wants to make movies. And I'm just happy, I'm happy anytime somebody who has been in a little prison of a franchise that ruin their lives. You know, that they can break free. Yeah, exactly, that they could break free. A horny little vampire prison. A horny vampire prison.

It is funny that they made jokes. Zendaya wore like an Edward, like a team Edward shirt while doing the PR. And I saw some little tete-a-tete with them on my algo that was her talking about that, she's like, was anyone team Jacob? And Robert Pattinson was like, no one was team Jacob. They were all Team Edward. We all know they were all Team Edward. And he's like, that was something they had to drum up to try to.

You're like giving me flashbacks to when I ran social media at MTV and I used to have to like put out all this Twilight content and like hashtag the different team Jacobs. How many years did you have to do it? I would have to hashtag twilighters, hashtag twiheards. Like there were like 20 hashtags for these fans of these fucking movies. And I never read or saw a single minute of any Twilight. Wow. So I don't know anything about it. That's fun.

Because I was in my late 20. when it came out. I wasn't fucking around with that. Part of our live show was that Jackie reenact Holden and I. Holden watched many of the movies with her for watchalongs, but I didn't know anything. And so Jackie reenacted. It was like a Shakespeare like in 10 minutes shorts. Oh, yeah. Of me explaining all of the books of Twilight. We did the whole thing. Honestly, I know a lot about the story just from working at MTV and having to like do stupid, like, I was working MTV news so people were literally like writing articles about like,

Did Rinesmey imprint on J or whatever? Oh, yeah. And I would be like, who, what? This is so dumb. And I would have to, like, write pithy tweets about stuff I didn't know anything about. Kara, the reason why I have a Twilight tattoo is not because, yeah, this is my Forks tattoo. This is my Forks tattoo. This is the Forks.

This is the Fork. He's got a little vampire mouth right here. And then there's, like, little blood that I, uh, that designed into the, so this is a secret Twilight tattoo was a Secret Twilight tattoo. Yeah, it's a secret Twilight tattoo. And it's because I also got into twilight during quarantine when I started like a blind reading the audiobook for it on our Patreon. So all of it is on the page 7 Patreon. But I did it while reading them for the first time.

So as I was doing the audiobook, so everyone got to live hear me find out because I genuinely knew nothing. I didn't know it was Mormon. I thought they were fuck books. They are not fuck books. They are Mormon. And people then heard me in real time as I'm finding out. And then reading these books as they get crazier and crazier and crazier and crazier. And they're bad.

Those are bad. Those are bad ones. Those are bad ones. That is not proper kink etiquette and it's not the proper kink world. But it is, you know. It's like what a Mormon thinks the kink world is it? Yeah. It's very, yeah, it's not.

They didn't get it right in the 50 Shades books. but Kara, What's up? Twilight is crazy. And I think that if I ever just explained you, if I did the little short for you, I mean, I know,

they sparkle. We can read it out of the whole thing. They sparkle in the sun or something. Oh, yeah. It's like, I covered my chest in body glitter. Yes. I was playing Edward. So.

MJ played Edward. Yes. I've lived a lot of years and I'm okay having not seen a second of Twilight. You know what I mean? I get it. I understand. I get it.

It's one of those things that I think now that I know it, you know how you don't know the cultural references that you don't know because you don't know that you're not seeing them. And I will say that my life did change after Jackie explained Twilight to me because I realized how many Twilight references we constantly live with. Like, you know, just not like it has shaped society, but it has, people talk about Twilight all the time. Really? And I mean, it ruined. I do truly believe it ruined it. whole generation of young women that were reading this book because they were told to choose either Edward or Jacob and both of them were horrible choices.

And it is all forcing marriage. Oh. It's like it's, yeah, it's bad. It's bad. But, you know, it's good that we know these things because honestly, now that I'm reading the Sookie Stackhouse books over on our page 7 Patreon, which you check it out because I put out an episode every Monday of the audiobooks of the true blood novel. And True Blood came out before Twilight and Smires fucking copped a bunch of shit from Charlene Harris.

There are definite moments in this book that I was like, this bitch stole. She stole, Twilight stole from Drew Blunt. There are, there, there are, there's, yes, yes. You lose. Yes. Yeah. You can leave. Sorry.

Uh-oh. Are we talking about real house drinks? Is that you? Uh-oh, Meredith Marks just showed up. Kara, did you watch the Jen Shaw interview at all? I've seen clips. I've seen clips of her talking about. I'm like, bitch, we're all talking about how she's in there with Elizabeth Holmes.

I didn't know she was in there with Galane. Yeah, that's... I didn't know she was in there with Galane Maxwell. That's so funny. That is so fucking crazy. What is there one jail where they're putting all of the, like, sort of famous criminals? They kind of lump them together. Yeah, I think they're so funny.

It's all the, you know? But it's a big, it's, we, we did a, the story of her, like, her first people interview came out well, Jackie and I were recording. And so I did a cursory glance while we were talking. And it was just her being like, yeah, I'm so sorry. But also, I didn't really do anything wrong. Like, it's one of those. It's one of those apologies.

Oh, yeah. Oh, Jen Shaw? Yeah. Oh, she's not, she's not remorseful. I thought one headline I saw was her being like, I made mistakes, but she's not remorseful. It's like, it's like, I made. mistakes, but also, like, not really. Like, it's, it's a, it's a big non-apology.

Yeah. Oh, my God. I mean, yeah. It's like, there is lots of. She was like elder scamming. Like the worst, like the most vulnerable people. Yes. She just slates everybody below. She's like, I made mistakes because I wasn't overseeing all the other people who

were doing crimes. It's what everybody else did. Yeah. With her. So she's blaming it all on Stewart. Stewart. Stewart. It is trying to exonerate herself.

It really is, uh, You know, fascinating to watch. I imagine she'll be given a show. You know, I know that Andy Cohen is saying that... He's saying she's not going to a no from Bravo, but that's a no from Bravo. You know what I think she might be... She might get on, like, House of Villains

and all those, like, sort of sea-less-level competition shows. Do you think that she would... Oh, yeah. You think she'll do anything. She needs to pay for a rental in Utah. Exactly. I think she's... We'll do whatever.

That's why I think she keeps being like, oh, I'm so sorry for the things that other people did. that I didn't really do because she's trying to exonerate herself so she can continue to enrich herself. Yeah. And it's going to be tricky now that everyone's like, I think you've killed old people in early.

Donald Trump let her out. And Donald Trump's whole thing is like never apologize, never back down, always keep blasting through. And these people are like, oh, okay, I'll follow. And now, but it's like, I am curious to see what Jen Shaw is going to do because she does say in the interview that Meredith Marks was the only one that checked in on coach.

Meredith Marks was the only one that did. And so what are... Coach is still hanging out with this? Yeah, dude. Coach is still out there, man. He's, he is, I mean, somebody's got to hold down the fort, you know, while mama's away. Somebody's got to do it and coach got to step up. But I love the idea of Meredith Marks being like, Jen Shah, shush.

Like, do not, like, you know, panicking because Jen Shah is giving her good press. Stop telling everybody that I'm nice. Don't do this. And now, man, they are really putting in a lot more clauses in these. in these contracts, it seems, after the real housewives of Salt Lake City, for those of you that forget or probably maybe don't care at all, there was like a really big thing in the last season where something happened on a plane and nobody had any footage of what happened on the plane. You don't know?

And so it's just all this back and forth, back and forth. Do you know about this? The plane thing? What do you mean? What happened on the plane? Oh, yeah. Oh, you know about the plane stuff? Okay.

I'm like, you're caught up. Oh, no, I'm all caught up. I'm saying. I thought you didn't know. No, I was letting people know that don't watch and that don't listen. Wait, so what's the clause? Is the clause you better take your fucking phone out or you're fired? Because I agree.

What the clause is, is they're not allowed to talk about it on the show if there's no footage of it. If it's none, if no footage doesn't exist to them. And so they were like, so if something is popping off, you better get footage of it or else you're not talking about it on the show. That's wild. That's really crazy. reality and it's because of that because it was such a hubbub and everyone on the internet was like

but there's no footage there's no footage they were all there how's there no footage? I just thought it was crazy that another person in that class on the plane did not take a video and try to sell that video as people are screaming at each other allegedly allegedly right? I know I really want to know what happened on the plane but I know what I watched

recently recently I watched the below deck episode of their boats I don't watch below deck but I watched they did an episode where the housewives of Salt Lake City go on Below Deck. And so you watch the whole episode of Real Housewives from like their kind of point of view. And then you get to watch the Below Deck episode that is like from the staff's point of view. Oh my God. So it's very upstairs downstairs kind of situation.

MJ, did you see this episode, this like crossover? No, I did not see that episode. When you said Below Deck, it made me remember that I want to talk about the that I haven't watched it yet, but the news show where they're dating on a boat. And if they get kicked off them, then have to walk the plank into the ocean. Excuse me? Is that the one that Gabby Winnie is hosting? Let me see.

Is it called like Gabby Wendie? Overboard or overboard or something? Yes, correct. Love Overboard. And I love Gabby Windy. Yes. And the men who get kicked off to walk the plank into the sea.

But I know that's not below deck. I've never seen below deck actually. Oh, I'm going to watch Love Overbore. You know we're going to watch Love Overbord. You know we're going to watch Love Overbord. That is my kind of jams. An listener wrote in to recommend it. So, yeah, we got to,

We got to do it. Thank you so much. I love the idea that you have to walk into the ocean. I love it so much. Just open water. Bye. Bye. Keep going.

Walk that. Like, honestly, it makes me think of F. Boy Island. Did you watch F. Boy Island when it was out of the Nicki Glazer show? No. And it really was when like whenever they were.

You know, I'm pretty like, I'm pretty just how your bravo. Yeah, you're a bravo. And not even everything on Bravo. I don't watch below deck. I don't watch the summer houses or whatever. Although, I don't know if you've been catching any of that drama. All the summer house stuff.

I don't know anything. about Summerhouse though. So do you want me to just, do you want me to just summer? Is it for you really quickly? MJ, I don't know. Have you been seeing that, like, I feel like,

have you been seeing a lot of like team Sierra. I mean, even Mom Donnie waiting. I have seen people talking about Summer House. Even Mom Donnie. And I don't know what they're talking about. So I would love a little explainer about this. Okay. So Summer House is a show on Bravo that I never watched

because it is literally like, literally starring a guy that I went to college with who was a couple years behind me in college. And many people from my college have been on the show. And it's just very like rich kids going to the Hamptons for the summer. And I was like, I don't really need to watch this.

I'm good with my housewives. I like my reality stars older. I truly do. I really like. I get it. I like women that are 50, 60 screaming at each other. So I... Oh, God, I can't wait for them to come back, Kara.

They're going to come back so soon. Our real housewives of New York ladies are going to be coming back. I mean, so. Maybe, kind of. On E. We got to see how they do things over there. Sorry. Jackie, we don't know how they do things over there.

But listen, so on Summer House, there's this gorg, one of the most gorgeous women I've ever seen in my life. This woman Sierra, she is a former nurse and, but she was a nurse at the beginning. Anyway, mom, Donnie was like, wasn't she a nurse? Thank you for all the work you've done. That was his comment. Mom, Donnie is just the fucking best. But she was dating this guy West on the show, just like kind of a sort of, I get kind of like a fuckboy type of guy. Okay. But like, she was like, I'm not going to be with you unless it's serious. Like, I'm not going to sleep with you unless it's serious. And so things got serious. They slept together. And then as soon as they slept together, I guess he was kind of like, oh, I can't really commit or whatever. Then he like

kind of caught feelings for her again, I guess. And then it didn't really work out. And then the guy who went to my college and his wife, Amanda, who have been, Kyle and Amanda, who have been the like two main people on the show since it started, they got to, they are getting divorced. And it came out recently. And Sierra was there for Amanda during the whole divorce and everything, during all of the bad treatment that he treated her bad or whatever and wasn't nice to her. And then it came out that West and Amanda are dating. And everyone's like, it's just like bad, it's like bad girl code. It's like not, oh yeah, no.

It's not being a girl's girl. It's not being a girl's girl. And it's like if people are now speculating that it was actually going on during the season. And they released this statement that was like, oh my God, these feelings just kind of came out of nowhere. Like they developed from our friendship. We don't even like know where this had came. And people are like, no, it feels like you guys were still hooking up. when she was married

and like that maybe it was going on during the show. I don't know. I don't watch enough. I don't watch enough of the show. Like I've, I absorbed that show through osmosis but I'm following Bravo accounts

on like Insta and like seeing commercials when I'm watching Bravo and I don't watch enough. I, that's the gist of the. Thank you. Because of her house thing. I see a lot of people comparing it to the Scandival.

It's not quite the same because they were a couple of 10 years. With Ariana Maddox, right? With Ariana and Tom. They were together for 10 years. So it's definitely not. as crazy as Scandival. And Tom and Ariana, I think were, I mean,

Tom and Raquel were fucking for like months quietly. Like, while the show was going on, while she was keeping up this friendship. It feels like it was a less serious relationship between Sierra and West. And also, it's been a quicker, like, turn around. Okay. But it's similar.

That's such a shitty thing to do to your friend. For a guy that you're definitely not going to be with in a month. Yes. Like, why would you choose that? Especially, I mean, See, I am, I started Vanderpump last year. So I was brand new to all of it. Scandival was really rocking.

Now I'm saving it and I realized it's a really great airplane show. Oh, now I keep Vanderpump rules as my flight show because there's so much of it. And really, you just let it absorb over. You know, you're just like letting it happen to you. I really feel like now, especially with Secret Lives and Mormon Wives, I feel like there's all these like intertextual references. Like, now I need to be watching Vanderpump Villa to understand what's going on with Secret Lives and Mormon ones. I know you absolutely do not.

I mean, I know. Marciano is. No one needs to watch Vanderpump Villa. I just don't think Vanderpump Villa is offering anything to the world. Well, now that Dad Talk is on it. And also don't worry, Lisa Vanderpump removed Dakota from the season of Vanderpump Villa because Dad Talk was on it. But now with all of the allegation. shins and all of the

she cut them out she cut them out good she cut him out of Vanderpump Villa dude by Dakota have you guys already done an extensive talk about

slamo yeah okay I hope to hear your thoughts though yeah you got some you got some sense to throw into the piggy bank it's just I mean I

oh my god the way I'm in a chokehold by that show like I just you know what's funny is I had not I had I was I was I watched

So normally I watch that show while I'm like doing my taxes or like working on my QuickBooks or like doing something else. So it's like I'm paying attention but I'm like it's like, Exactly. It just happens. You know, it's just, it is washing over me. But I was not feeling well recently and I just watched three episodes on my phone like in bed in a row where I was really focusing on it. And I was like, oh my God, they're just saying the same shit over and over and over again. It's like, you know, really the whole point of mom talk is to lift each other up. So it really meant a lot to me that they came to my event. You know, the whole point of Montauk is to lift each other up,

so it just really hurt that she didn't come to my event. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's every single, it's like the same shit, like, over and over and like, whatever. But I, you know, I definitely think Dakota, still watching. Dakota is a piece of shit and the fact that he sat on that footage for like two years and released it right before The Bachelorette. Yeah. But ABC acting like they didn't fucking know the extent and all that was crazy.

The bitch is ABC. Yes. Yes, ABC is the bitch. And by the way, who's the bitch? Who's the bitch? New episodes every Wednesday. Check out who's the bitch. ABC is the bitch.

I mean, Taylor Frankie Paul and Dakota also the bitch. I mean, this is, there are several bitches. Oh, yeah. They're both bitches. I mean, that footage was really crazy, you know. But I totally, the fact that ABC was like, oh, we would never employ a domestic abuser. She pled guilty. She pled guilty.

You knew. years ago. The way you know her. We saw it in the first 10 minutes of the first episode of the first episode. Yeah. Wild. Wild stuff. But I just love it.

But like I am seeing stuff like because, okay. It's like I am on Facebook still because I do a lot of my mom, you know, entrepreneurship on there. My mom acquisitions. Like I'm on marketplace and like different groups and shit where I buy and sell stuff. But like I'll get pages will come up of stuff that it knows I like but I don't actually follow the page. And it'll be like somebody just doing like an essay of like, I don't actually understand why people are mad at Dakota.

Like people will say that. And then people go, 100% agree. Like what has he actually done? Like, you know, she's the aggressor just because just like, what about Jody Arias? What about like women who have been the aggressor in violent relationships? And I'm like, wait, what?

Like you don't see that this guy like. This goes both way. Yeah. This is going. Like, we know this, right? I think she's bad, but I think he's bad. They're both bad. Yeah.

You think an innocent guy sat on footage of a kid being right there during a domestic violence spat and kept it for two years and released it right before a big moment in her life. Yeah, he's because he's a good guy. Year after year, he's trying to control, like, everyone's like Dakota, you know, Taylor, Frankie Paul needs to move on. But what all he does is prevent her from moving on by continuing to interject himself into her healing journey, you know. Her healing.

If you're talking about people from Utah, it's pronounced hilling journey. But I also want dad talk off my screen. Why did they think that that was something any of us wanted? No, they need to be sent into space and not on Artemis 2. No, not on Artemis 2. Was it the girls were like too busy doing dancing with the stars and other stuff that they were like, oh, we need more content?

I do feel like they must have felt like they had to pad it out. give a crap about Jordan. I don't give a crap about Dakota or Jace or I like Jacob in the first season, but no, no charisma. Yeah, none. And those, and those, the same thing, those ladies, they're all bitches and they're all, you know, pretty, you know, they're not all evil, but many, this is a spectrum of evil, but they are incredibly charismatic. And they make very good television. And then, yeah, these fucking lugs over here have nothing to say. And we just ought to be great for Dakota to come to L.A. make content. Shut up.

Yeah. No one wants that content. No one cares. Is anybody following dad talk? I mean, I guess they all probably have tons of followers, but like, they are terrible. And I do like how often the girls are like, let's just remember who is making the money here. Like, let's just remember who the boss is. Like, I love that. The girls do not let them fucking forget that they are dad talk. Oh, it's just a group of emasculated men because the women are successful. The only one I like is Connor, Whitney's husband, because he like wins into it. He's like, Oh, I'm emasculated. I always have been.

My bio is I'm Whitney's husband. Like, you know, like, I like him. But he's a supportive partner. He's also just, like, it's, I, he's the only one of them that is. And I mean, the fact that I know we have to get to the list. But all this Jesse and Marciano stuff, I'm just like, what is even, and then, and yet still, though, both of you, I'm looking you both in the eyes. And I'm saying, I still looked up.

When is the reunion going to be? Because I wanted to see the reunion. But don't worry. they're not talking about when the reunion's going to be because everything is on hold right now because of all of the lawsuits. And Jackie, you should think about this because they're bad people, okay? I shouldn't be watching it.

They're so weird that they do a show where they do a reunion while they're still filming a second season, the following season. Yeah. Like that's weird. It's a little lazy too because I feel like it does give content

where it's like, this is just double content. We're just watching the reunion. Yeah, now I'm watching the reunion again and they're all fighting with to me and whatever. And it's such a cash cow that now, to me, what it looks like now is just every woman in the group desperately trying to make their waterfall of cash not dry up because of Taylor. Taylor Frankie Paul.

I was reading that none of them want to film with or without Taylor Frankie Paul. Because they are taking a stand, but I also think that's a smart stand to take. What are they taking a stand? Because they're not until all of this gets figured out. They were like cheap because I guess according to them and I'm just saying I don't know if this the case, like, don't know there's a truth. According to them, they didn't know that a child actually got hurt until all of this stuff came out. That's like, yes, that they were finding out more information. Oh, she got hurt? When she got hit with the stool. And they were like,

that's where they were like, the kids are no. No. Yeah. No. And it, and, but again, we will never know. Did they know about that beforehand? Yeah. This is just a public stand that they're taking. Either way, I do feel it is the best look to not. I thought there was a new incident. I thought there was a new. Okay. There is. Yes. And no one knows.

They just know that there was an altercation between Dakota and Taylor Frankie Paul. There's no other information out about it. We know that there was another incident, which is why I feel all of this, like why he leaked the tape. Why he sold the tape? Why everything? Because of what just happened and why they stopped the fifth season. because a lot of people thought, oh, because of the release of that tape, that's why they stopped the 15th. But even just like a psycho that keeps that on his phone and while he continues to go back and sleep with her and tell her how, tell the cameras how much he loves her.

Yeah. And he's got this video on his phone. No one deserves to get abused at all. But also, I think that the internet does acknowledge he is an abuser as well. Like this is, no one deserves it at all. But it goes both ways in this. And they're not good for each other. And they should probably be separated.

Yeah, well, she's just separating from God. Her mom is so bad, too. Oh, my God, MJ, did you see? Yes, on Easter Sunday, Taylor Frankie Paul told everyone that she is, you know, while he does still support her, God, that is. Capital age. And he, that she is going to take a step back from the Mormon church. And I'm going to say, step back, bitch. I'm going to say, you were already, you were already, the girl was coming from way outside of.

the building. Sure. You were already not in the parking lot of the Mormon church as it was. The first episode of the first season is her talking about all the threesomes and the swinging. She loves to get wasted. You know, it's just two babies from two different dads. Which again, we don't give a shit about, but I think the Mormon church has an issue with it. Like I think that it is, but they're breaking down patriarchy, Kara. Oh my God. I mean, no, that's one of the things I liked about the show was that some of them are good Mormons and some of them. of them are ex-mormons and some of them are more...

Heather Gay, you know, it's why I love my bad Mormon. You know, yeah. No, it was, totally. The project of the first season was to be like, we're Mormons, but we're complicated. And now the fourth season, most of them are no longer Mormon and they're, you know, they're all divorced.

And yeah, it's really... I think that whatever they were trying to do for the Mormon church, like, you can be Mormon and still be feminist, I think, has been proven wrong because they've just had to leave the church. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yeah. You can't, yeah, you can't, yeah, You can be feminist.

You gotta get out. Yeah, I gotta go. But, okay, last thing I'll say on this is, um, Jesse, I never in a million years could have predicted, like the turn that Jesse would take becoming a character on the show because the first season,

I could not tell her into me apart for seven episodes. I didn't realize there were two different women. I thought they were the same. I thought they were sisters. And then she has managed to put herself, make her story, like, I didn't even know who her husband was. I barely knew anything about her,

like the first season. Now it's like, she's one of the major, like I would say, if it was an Andy Cohen reunion, she'd be sitting next to Andy. She's like one of the main gals and she's orchestrating stuff. And I was like,

oh, I really thought you were like a secondary bitch in this group. But I see stuff online about how, I don't know, she was maybe the most fame hungry of all of them. She's got the most. She's making money moves. She's gotten the most work done and stuff.

Like she's... But also she's an owner of a multi-million dollar chain business of... It's a chain? I mean, yeah, she's got like multiple locations. And so, I mean, it's like one of those puzzles where you have to like put, there's like only one square missing and you have to keep rearranging the squares to make it go in order. Like I feel like Secret Lives and Mormon Wives is just like, now this bitch is the top bitch. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I thought we were talking about their plastic surgery. They keep just shifting around their faces. I'm like, oh, is that one that one or is that one a different one? That too. But the bitches are always changing whose top bitch, which is one of the reasons why it's interesting. That's why we watch the damn show, but it's also why I gotta get to the list, everybody. Who's on the list? Me, got to have that list.

Couples who were destroyed by the court of public opinion. Some of these were, you know, I forget, like for instance, did you remember the Jenny Slate and Chris Evans were together? Yes, oh my God, you really just opened that memory up for me. And I did love it for them. Yeah, that's cute. I like that. And I forgot about like what I never, I was like, I forgot they were together. So gifted co-stars an on-screen love interest.

Chris Evans and Jenny Slate dated from mid-2016 to February 2017. Then they reconciled in November, but four months later, it was over for good. Jenny told vulture, Chris is a very, very famous person. For him to go to a restaurant is totally different than for me to go. I sit in my window. I say hi to people on the street. I have more freedom because I'm not Captain America. I'm mostly a cartoon.

This is what I needed to do to feel normal, to feel alone. And apparently most of their time was spent at home because she was so stressed out over the internet psychos who completely, like constantly compared her relationship with Chris Evans to her just ended marriage. Yeah. And just the comparison was just so much that like what we were talking about earlier, people that just when the tabloids and when everything, they just hound them, hound them, hound them. And Jenny Slate was like, this isn't a life for me. I really like you. and I can't do this on it anymore. It's so funny to me because, like,

if Chris Evans walked in here right now, I would be like, hello, what's your name? Yeah, which one are you? I find his face to be unmemorizable. Like, I cannot memorize his face. I have never watched Captain America. But this is a thing. We're not like Captain America people.

I'm always like, oh yeah, he was in Knives Out, like in a chunky sweater. Like, I don't remember. I don't, like, he's my lowest Chris on the lip. No, no, Pratt, obviously. But he's like, he's my, of who I want to, like, like have sex with, he's like one of the lowest ones. Yeah. That's, uh,

fine is my number one in case you were wondering. Oh. Yeah. Pine is good. I like Chris Evans and I like Captain America. Um, but I hear what you're saying. Carrie, he does just kind of look like a nice looking man. He just looks like a guy. Yeah. Like a hot guy, I guess. If you're like, what do you do? And he's like, I'm an actor. I'd be like, I see that. What have you been in? Like, I don't, I don't, I, I, it's just funny to me that, that he was so mobbed by press. I guess. But it's also, like, like, I know that Jenny Slate isn't like Chris Evans famous, but it's wild to think of

somebody to me, like, it's also quite famous being like, this person is too famous to be with, you know? I feel like she's very famous to us because of like New York comedy. You know? That also makes sense though, because the first Captain America was 2011, the second one was 2014 and then the third one was 2016.

So this was really in the height of Captain America. Like that was like the real explosion of Captain America. So I imagine that's why it was especially so difficult. Yeah, yeah. That makes sense. Well, let's keep on, keeping on. How about the Olympic gold medalist figure skater, Yuzuru Hanu, who married a private citizen in 2023,

but they divorced only three months later. He said that he and his spouse had overcome many obstacles together. However, for a long time, she couldn't even step out of the house because she'd be hounded by the media. He said, currently, various media outlets are slandering, stalking, and conducting unauthorized interviews and reports against my partner, who is. a civilian, their relatives and associates, as well as against my relatives and associates, even in our living space, we are sometimes proud by suspicious vehicles or persons or suddenly accosted.

This is a... An Olympian... What? Olympic what? Ice skater. Figure skater. Male. Correct.

From the U.S.? I'm looking it up right now. They are from Japan. Oh, okay. So it's like the Japanese media that is... That is ripping into... I'm having a hard time, like, places. it because I'm like, were we ever like, Tara Lipinski, Terrell Lipinski, where are you going?

I know. I mean, I think that Johnny Weir and Tara Lipinski would say that on the traders, they've spoke frequently about how their lives were basically destroyed by being in the spotlight. You know, I think that, I think that if you think about it, Johnny Weir and Tara Lipinski, honestly, like, thinking about it, like, if someone's like, name the figures, it's like, those are the ones you're going to say, right? I mean, it's like, Tony Harding and Nancy I mean, yes. I just didn't realize that like there's a difference between like, of course

they're going to like dig up stuff about you and there'll be interviews with like people you went to high school with and shit like that. I guess I'm talking about like I didn't know it would be like flash bulbs as you come out of like a bakery getting a bagel or something. You know what I didn't realize it was like that level with like Olympians. Chris Evans levels of fame. Yeah. Yeah.

This makes a lot of sense when Taylor Swift and Tom Hiddleston dated for three months which I can't believe that was only for three months because I feel like we joked around about that for such a long time. I remember that being in Rhode Island for a portion of that three months. Yes, yes, yes. And it is like there was this instance where apparently he was wearing, like everyone remembers there was this photo that was taken that Tom Hiddleston was wearing a I-heart T.S. tank top on the 4th of July and everyone was like, oh my God, look at how he's losing himself. And literally he said, the truth is it was the 4th of July. and a public holiday, and we were playing a game,

and I slipped and I hurt my back. And I wanted to protect the grays from the sun and said, does anyone have a T-shirt? One of her friends said, I got this. And we all laughed about it. It was a joke. It was just a joke among friends. And I have to be so psychologically strong

about not letting other people's interpretations about my life affect my life. A relationship exists between two people. We will always know what it was because I think that was the real doubt of just like ripping them, ripping them, ripping them, and they broke up. It is wild to think,

Like, you know, I always feel like if I ever, you know, see like a mean comment or whatever, I'm like, oh. And then I'm like, MJ, don't, you shouldn't care about what other, you know, what people on the internet think of you. But it is crazy to see this, like, Tom Hiddleston being like, I have to psychologically build a wall around myself from people being so mean. And like, Barry Keogun, that story about Barry Keogh, being like, the internet keeps calling me ugly in the comments. And I don't want to be, yeah. I'm too ugly to leave the house. It's like, and I, it's, it's, it's, it's, I'm sorry, it's the Ringo voice. I was going to say he's Irish.

I know, but I, he's. He's going to be Ringo. So now in my head. Thomas the Tank. I keep thinking of Barry Keogh and I know he's not going to talk like this, but in my brain, he is. Because they're making the four movies. Right. And I'm going to be yelling about these four movies until I watch all four of the movies.

Oh, my God. That's right. These Beatles movies. But yeah. Ringo forever. Shout out to my Ringo heads out there. I know that you're live and well. I always thought that being a celebrity.

would, you know, you would be like, I don't, I don't care what people think because I am wealthy and successful. And then the celebrities keep coming out and being like, the comments are very mean and it's legit, you know. My friend was talking to me about, she's an actress and she was like, oh, this actor I work with, he, oh my God, what was I, wait, what was it? Because it wasn't, oh, it was like, no, I don't know the story well enough. Forget it. It's gone. It's gone.

Well, what's really... It was something about somebody dating someone adjacent to Taylor Swift, and I was like, don't even, don't tell them not to do it. Tell them just not to do it. Like, get, like, be out of her orbit. Like, those fans are just, like, on another level. I mean, they've already found out. June 13th is the wedding date.

June 13th is the wedding date. Yeah. Oh, my God. They're foaming out there. They're already... I'll be in Vegas around June 13th. Maybe I'll place a bet on whether she, like, wears her hair off or down. Oh.

Ooh, that's fun. Taylor Swift bets. Be able to buy my house outright if I went. Now, you know, the times have changed when it comes to all the tabloids, but I guess really not that much. Share dated bagels shop employee Rob Cameletti. And this picture is the most like, oh, is this Nick Cage in Moonstruck? Oh, my God. He looks like Danny Zucco.

He looks like Danny freaking Zucco. And so she dated this guy from 1986 to 1989, dubbing him. bagel boy. The tabloids relentlessly scrutinized Rob for working a regular job and for being 18 years younger than Cher, which I think is very funny. I wonder what those same people would say now about the age gap of what Cher is working with. But you know, this, it's so sad. It came to a head when his Ferrari crashed into a photographer's car outside of Scher's house. At a press conference, Cher said, I know Robert, he is not a violent man. I've been doing this for 25 years. And so I'm pretty much used to having my private life destroyed and lies told about me. It's something that you

pretty much have to get used to. And she said, after a while, it really bothers you and disrupts your family life. I'm usually pretty good about it. But I'm getting really, really angry. Wow. And apparently they broke up because of all of the media scrutiny and just ripping him apart because he had a regular job. What a beautiful bagel man. I know. Bagel boy we're going to work out. It's like Notting Hill.

Like Notting Hill can't happen. Oh my God. I guess it can. I guess it can. I mean, Matt Damon's married to a bartender. And they have beautiful children and like they love each other so ferociously. And it can work. But it's got.

But also we've looked into this, MJ and I with like the Matt Damon thing. But it's like he had already made him. Like he knew what the world was and he actively tried to keep her as far away from all of it as possible. Because also, it's like, I feel like people are like, how many kids does Matt Damon have? I feel like it's like almost like a James Vanderbeek where you see the family come out and you're like,

wow, he's like a whole, he's got like the whole thing. Yeah, he's not just, you know? Yeah, I think you have to, right, you have to build a life around, like the way that George Clooney and Amal Clooney have like put their kids in France. Like you have to like build a life around protecting your family from it. Yeah. Keeping them away.

And this is unfortunately now, speaking of like a Sarah Michelle Geller, Freddie Prince Jr., Kara Clank, Jared Logan kind of relationship, for me, my huge thing was Idina Menzel and Tay Diggs. Oh, I remember. That were married from 2003 to 2014. And if you were wondering, for those non-rent heads out there, it made me lose my mind that they were together, even though not together at all in the show.

they're very, very different. In fact, I did a Mansell, but I wanted to, I wanted to kiss Maureen. I want to be Maureen, I want to kiss Maureen. Ever since puberty. Oh my God. Oh, we stared at me, boys, girls. I can't help it, baby. She said, I'd be lying if I said there weren't times when I thought, oh man, people are

going to trip out if we split. Maybe they thought it was cute that we met in rent. There weren't a lot of couples like us in the theater community, and I know there aren't a lot of performers as talented as she is. This was Taye Diggs talking about Idina. And then you have the whole mixed race thing. It was easy for people to root for us, but it was also easy for people to root against us. Right now, we're still trying to figure out a lot of stuff because we're on different coasts and our son is getting older.

And it is, they just couldn't. Remember when Tay Diggs went on that Twitter spree where he just followed everybody on Twitter? He followed me at one point. He was following 800,000 people. It was like insane. That's crazy. Simpler times, man. I think everyone was like,

the news of the day was that Tate Dix was following people on Twitter. I remember when we were excited when Randy Quaid followed Henry many, many, many, many years ago. And that was back then. We already knew Randy Quaid was crazy. And that was still like a Randy Quaid. That was, I think, opposed sex tape, which we watched on page seven. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. A Randy Quaid sex tape?

Talk about the times before. A little different, man, a lot of dog barking, a lot of mask wearing. But we are finished with our list. Man, the dog barked the entire time. Oh, Jesus. Like, how can you? How can you? No.

Stop rolling the cameras at that point. Like, at least, right? We've watched a couple of sex tapes that are burned into my memory with page seven, unfortunately. but the Randy Quaid is even worse than Holkogne. Yeah, the Hulk Hogan one? No, I don't know. Your daughter's phone, like your daughter's song coming from your phone as it rings and you answer it when you're mid-burp because you've had too much barbecue while you're plowing somebody else's wife.

Jesus Christ. I feel like that one for me took the cake. Yeah. And I guess that is first because also that led to Peter T.L. Sue and Gawker and the downfall of Gawker. And the downfall. But, you know, that's my list for you. Wow.

Okay. Well, that's great because I seem to have lost my eyesight. I think I'm going. Oh, my favorite part. Items. Ah, we can't see them. I love this part. Yeah, I think I got some good ones.

Speaking of Coke, a lot of the blinds are starting with speaking of. Okay. I feel like I'm on a game show. Yes. Never this happens. I love it. Speaking of Coke, it sounds like the ginger-haired cuck one. Okay, let me start again.

Prince-haired. Speaking of what publication is writing cuck Oh the blinds The blinds But is it like New York Post blinds? It's like a Or de moire like it's just funny

To have the word cuck written in any kind of like Is this still from the big the blind? It's just like a what's the word An amalgamation A big collection of different Aggregation Aggregator It's old school what they do with the blinds

It is really crazy Like MJ has to comb through these blinds, and people still right. I assumed that you were like on a couple different blogs, like looking up lines. No, this is like the master list of blinds and they are increasingly depressing. So it's hard to find the fun ones. But yes, speaking of Coke, you do the hard work so we don't have to. Yes.

Thank you, MJ. It sounds like the ginger-haired cuck one would do a couple of lines and then call and scream at Grandma. And it's not Prince Harry? It is, but isn't that fun? Oh, wow. I was like, oh, my God. Why is he called a cuck?

They call him a cuck because the blinds hate Megan Markle. And they're always talking about what a drunk she is and how she's stepping out of the marriage. And so they are very mean. All of the items about Harry refer to him specifically as the ginger-haired cuck. Because again, we get annoyed by Megan Markle because of her lack of work ethic. Like that's what annoys us the most here on page seven. And it has really, and it's nothing to do with, I mean, with unfortunately all a lot of like the racist beliefs. She got a multi-million dollar podcast

and would not interview people or do the podcast. But yeah, the blinds are much more racist and misogynist towards her. Of course. I do, I just think that the idea of Prince Harry doing a bunch of lines and then calling the queen

to scream at her. I mean, like, you bitch. I love that. Oh, my. Well, I mean, especially if he's going through all the shit he was going through with his wife, I feel like I probably might get a little Rudy Tootie and call GM on the phone.

All right, blind number two. The A-list singer, actress and her former co-star have moved beyond not talking to each other and are settling on actively hating each other. Wait, the, the, okay, say it again. A-list singer-actress and her former co-star. For a while, they were not talking to each other. Now, they're an active hate.

A-list singer-actress. Active hate. Now, are we talking, Amiley? Oh, okay, wait. Is this like a Selena Gomez? No. A-list singer-actress. A-list singer-actress.

Aalist singer-actress and her former co-star. Were they romantically linked? Sabrina Carpenter? There was speculation, but no, they were not actually romantically lived. Not Sabrina Carpenter. This is a sign of the times. If this blind had come out anywhere between six months and two years ago, you guys would know the answer already, if that is a hint.

Oh. They were everywhere. Oh, wait. They were everywhere. Like the couple was everywhere. As a friendship, they were everywhere. As a friendship they were everywhere. singer-slash actress at her former co-star.

It's not Hugh Jackman and Sudden Foster. That's my new day digs, Adidas Mansell at least. You know, we have to have something in the theater community. Are we on the Grande? Yes. And Cynthia Arrivo, yes. Wait, they hate, they hate? Allegedly, actively hating each other now.

Ooh, yeah. I want to hear what happened. I heard it said. Oh, my God, yes. Oh, my God. Again, I know that a lot of... They are not holding space any longer. Not, but they have been changed for good, unfortunately.

They've been changed for good. I know a lot of the... I mean, it always felt very contrived the press junket relationship between the two of them, but I didn't think that they would hate each other. Oh my God, and now they have the stupid tattoo, the matching tattoos. They are on their hand, by the way, and are going to go away.

I desperately want to know the story here because I do, I also know, just to like, name that a lot of the coverage of Cynthia Arievo has also been very racist. system misogynist. Yes. But in terms of this friendship dynamic. And your Ariana Grande as well, don't you, don't, you know, don't keep her out of that too, you know?

Yeah. It's, but it was a, the press tour was two years long and a lot of things happened. And I was pretty annoyed by at the end when they were all both terrified of that helicopter going over them. But I just really need to know what happened, if this is true, to go from holding space to now they can't stand each other. I really want to know, like, what could it, what could it be? What could have happened?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, we know Sophia Revo has relationship problems, but it's not that. Well, we saw that thing, too, where, like, a guy came out and tried to touch Ariana and Cynthia, like, grabbed her. And, like, it was, like, you know, there was like this tension of, like, these are good friends.

Yeah. Yeah. And so, I wonder if it's like, now, of course, Cynthia Revo is now coming out and being like, we're just both busy. There's not a feud. We're just both very busy. And we're not in the same place because we're not promoting a movie together anymore. So there's also that aspect of it, but I don't know.

It's like, if you were really good friends, you would, like, make a little TikTok and, like, troll people. And that's what she's saying is that, like, we still like FaceTime and do all of that. Like, we're still in talks with each other. But you're right. I do, like, or do they not want to feed it by making, like, feeding the content fire about it? I just also think that it could just fade away. It might not be that they really hate each other. It's like, but, yes, truly, like, they were, what, they both know how to sing.

and is that what are they have in common? Like, what is there? They can be blown over by the wind. I think that they have also. I think that's what it is. And maybe it's just that, I don't know, maybe they're just hiding from each other behind lamp posts and they'll be able to find each other again someday.

You know, I think that it'll work out for them. They're just hiding behind them. Cynthia Revo can't catch a break because she also gets a lot of negative press coverage of her and her relationship with Lena Waith. Yes. Are they still together? Yes, yes. They are.

Well, I like that. It's been, according to the blinds, it's been a bit of a roller coaster. It seems that's what's part of what's fueling this is the fact that it's like, they're not being seen and not. But again, it's like, she's doing like a one, like Cynthia Revo, isn't she doing like a one woman Dracula or something right now? Like, I feel like, they're busy. They also just both of them, Cynthia Revo and Lena Waith just came on as producers of Cats, the Jellicle Ball. So that's pretty fun. Oh, wow.

Yeah. So that's... Wait. I never saw the first cats. Oh, Kara. This is a whole other show. You know why? Because it came out during quarantine and it was $20 to buy it.

And I go, there's no fucking way I'm buying cats for $20. It came out streaming during quarantine. It came out in theaters right before a pandemic. And again, to bring it back to our live show, the theory of our live show is that cats caused the pandemic by being so poorly made. So bad.

And so we had to break the curse by doing a whole show about cats. And so the through line of our live page 7 show was that. What are you guys going to do when the jellicle ball comes out? I mean, we're going to have to do the tour again. We better brace ourselves. We better brace ourselves. It might be another global pandemic.

Everyone says the jelical ball is amazing and that it's like, the camp of it is actually the only way that cats as a as a text should be consumed. So I'm fascinated by the jellicle ball stuff. Are the same cats back? I don't know. Taylor Swift or like James Cornyn? I mean, they're not dead. And only one of them goes to the heavy side layers.

So, I mean, they can all be brought back. I don't know. Remember there was, like, a whole thing about how you couldn't see their buttholes the way you can with a regular cat? It was we called our tour the butthole tour. The butthole cut. Because there was a theory that there was a version. There was a cut where they all had butt hole. Yep, it is.

And we're like, give us the butthole cut. That's what we'll break the curse. And so, spoiler, in the end of our live show, we would get the cut. And then we would break the curse together. I'm obsessed. Oh, my God. Shout out to the group of people out there who have our Release the Butthole Cut Tour shirt, which we didn't really think about how many people might not want to wear that shirt in public.

Release the butthole cut. Oh, yeah. Us dressed as jellicles, yeah. In cartoon versions. This is amazing. All right. It's, let's watch a lot. Feed me more blinds.

Last but not least, our well-respected, multifaceted, middle-aged performer seems to have it all. She's successful, wealthy, and seemingly content with the current state of her life. Yet, behind her infectious smile, lies a secret. She's a sex addict, and she's sleeping around with a 23-year-old she met on the set of her last production. Our gal just loves to be in love, so she's quickly developed feelings for her boy toy. She's torn about going public with the May-December fling because she fears the public ridicule, especially since her last big romance was an epic fail. Her younger lover, though, is bragging to buddies that he's dating a superstar. So sooner or later, their romance will become public. All right. I'm going to highlight some keywords here. This is like a middle age. So we're thinking like 40s? Middle age superstar. Household name superstar. I'm going to highlight some key keywords here. Female identifying? Female. Yep. And she is she loves to be in love. That is a really key piece of information. Jennifer Lopez. Yes. Oh my God. Yes. She loves to be in love. She loves to be in love. She just put another engagement ring on this bitch. I honestly kind of think this is the path for J-Lo, like just to be just banging young guys.

Like, go share. Go to share with the share route. Yeah, go good. You're high. You're like, she's like almost 60. Isn't she? Like she's so hot. Middle 50 is so hot.

Fuck a bunch of 20-year-old guys. I mean, who cares? Yeah. But she's going to fall in love with them. That's the problem. She's going to fall in love. But does she fall in love with anyone? Yes.

That doesn't have a reflective coating on that. Like, I mean. In love. She loves to be in love. Oh my God. This was me then. Dot, dot, dot, dot, dot. Now.

Oh, yes. Oh, J-Lo, she will love again. She will love a 23-year-old again and I can see again. Good for her. Oh my God. I just realized the person that plays Yolanda in Selena is the same person that plays Mama that was in the coma in Desperate Housewives. Mama Salis.

Yes, Mama Solis was also played. And she also did Yolanda, who is the bad woman. Did you know that, that, that Ava Longoria's daughter in the show is Demi Lovato's little sister? No. Yeah. Man, we're going to have you keep coming on and giving us more and more Desperate Housewives tips as we get further into it. Her daughter, that she's always fat shaming on the show. Oh, God, we haven't gotten there yet.

Oh, God, no good. Oh, good. I'm so glad that we're going to... I was wondering when they were going to get around to fat shaming. I mean, like, they haven't really gotten into that yet. Yeah, it's very early 2000s. Yeah, but MJ... The fashion is so...

Oh, my God. I was just saying that this morning that I was talking about Ava Longoria, that it was like, of all four of them, Eva Longoria, and those fits, girl, man, it is so early 2000s. It... Yes. It hurts. Those pants couldn't be any low riser. MJ, back to the world of the scene. I'm back to the world of the seeing, yes. Welcome back. But are you back into the world of the eating? It's time for Jackie Snackies.

Misophoniacs, beware. I've been a snacky girl. Snacky. I've been a snacky girl. Snacky. I've been a snacky girl. Snacky. I've been a snacky, girl. Snacky. I've been a snacky, snacky. Is somebody going to eat those chips? Is somebody going to dip those chips? Is somebody going to dip those. Dips, is somebody gonna try those candies? I got seminar. I say I'm a snack lead. Beware. And thank you, Kara, for always looking out. And I appreciate it because April, our amazing producer, April, always make sure that the time stamps are in underneath the episode.

Oh, when the chewing begin. So you know when the chewing happens. And I try to chew off, Mike. And I do, we try. But, you know, you only get. So I do want to throw this out. Minor shout out to the Waterloo. that The Amazing Adam brought me during this stream.

I've never had this flavor of Waterloo before. Mellon Medley, and this is about to sound like the stupidest thing I've ever said, you can taste different melons in this drink. And on the top of- Notes of cantaloupe, honey-dew, and water. Because on the outside of it, there's a cantaloupe and honey-dew and a watermelon. And I don't know if you want to drink it. Try it, though.

I'm well. Because it is, I'm also well. and it is like, I feel like you really get a rainbow of melon. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Right? You really do. You really do.

That's surprising. All the melons. I just, I wanted to bring it up in the middle of the show earlier and I realized, Jackie, no one gives a fuck. But I don't worry, I saved it for here and I'm taking a picture of me with my melons. And I'll post it on our Insta. All the more surprising because I think that Honeydew doesn't really. have a flavor, but some people out there

their honey... Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I'm not really into honeydew, but you can kind of taste it. It's like something different than the other two. Green water. You're different from the other watermen. Now, I've got a user-submitted snacky, and

it's international. I want to give a huge shout-out. These are my entrees into the Euro Chewy-fruity category. Our friend is in Boston, and there's a store that has fun UK and Irish imports, and I've discovered my fave gummies, wine gums. And I appreciate you, Megan. Megan's a sadly I'm gluten-free and can't participate in twin snakes.

I cannot speak for the other gummies that are in the bag, but XOXO, XO, thank you so much, Megan, from Boston. I really appreciate you sending this into me, and if you want to send in your own, and also, I do want to throw it out there. you want to send in your own and you want me to save it for somebody specific let me know and i can also do that because i try to you know obviously i think if you listen to jacky snackies i try to cater to who's coming in and the kind of things that they like and i was really excited megan because so they're wine gummies and not to be like how how millennial could we be here but i feel

like i'm a i'm a wino you're a wino you're a wino and you're a fruity chewy head. So let's get into this is Maynard's best sets. Wine gums. I feel like I'm so scared. I read a lot of British housewife novels. And my impression of wine gums is that they don't, I don't think they actually have any wine in them. And I don't think they taste like wine. And I don't know why they're called wine gums. Really? Yeah. So I think they're just jute fru-fruities that are called wine gums. On the back, it says, set the juice loose. Wait, let me see that package.

There's got to be a reason why they call them fine gum. The gums come, okay, so Maynard's uses Port Sherry, Burgundy, and Claret. So they're labeled like, do they look like little bottles of wine? No. No, they're labeled, they look like little fruit. They look like jujuvies kind of. Wikipedia's lying to me. It says the gums usually come in five shapes and are usually labeled with the name of a wine.

For example, Port, Sherry, Burgundy, or Clarenet. That's a lie. No. the name they contain no alcohol and depending on local laws, they might contain no wine. Okay, here I go. No wine. British people, please weigh in.

I know we offended you last week with gums usually come in five shapes. Kidney, ground, rhombus, circle, and oblong. So they have specific, honestly, I like. They do say, one says port. I like the chew on it, though. It's got real good. Honestly, it makes me think of like the, uh, the Swedish kind of gummies that we were eating that we were eating some weeks ago.

Yeah. That it's got really good chew to it, but not in the hair. Because I know you're a haribou. You're a haribouist, right? I do like harabot. But I do like the, and I worry that, Megan, I could eat this whole bag. Just not even thinking about it. But I am excited.

I did want to try these that Megan couldn't try. I like to chew, but I don't love the flavor as much as. I don't like the flavor as much, but I like the chew so much that I think that I would end up eating them, eating them all. And they are delicious. Now, these are, there's one called Randoms from Round Trees. And, ah, Mead Nards beset's jelly babies. Jelly babies. Uh-oh, somebody's going to eat some babies.

Somebody's going to eat some babies. And that person is Kara, who's a mother. I think we're going to get the same situation here. You think so? Oh, wait, no. Jelly babies have some kind of sugar coating on them. But not like, you know what it is? It's not like a, it's not like a sour patch with granular sugar.

It's like those weird holiday cookies that are kind of powdered on. Like the sugars like brushed on. Yep, I see. I'm looking at a Google image. Jelly baby. It's like a little gummy bear. It looks like it's covered in a cocaine. Oh, yeah.

The mouth feel is kind of freaking me out. I don't like it. Anyone remember your face? And I got the picture right as Kara made the face. Definitely look at the last pod network to see how Kara feels about jelly babies. May I have a jelly baby please? You can have all the jelly babies drive as jelly baby. Bring them back to the orphanage.

I don't want those jelly babies. Here, there's some randoms for you. On the outside of the randoms, it says, more random than a monkey playing a saxophone. And, oh, isn't that cheeky? God, somebody made 12 versions of that, I'm sure, before they chose that joke. Oh, I really feel like the... Oh, wow, these jelly babies are weird.

The British, we don't like the mouth feel. We're not trying to pile on the British. We made fun of the UK a lot last week, and we're not trying to insult your candies, British people. We love you. I like the randoms. The randoms are Haribot. They taste like Haribo. to me.

Is it, is the, is the, is the first one the wine gums? Is it like a dot? Like kind of, yes.

Yes. Like a jjubi or a dot. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Oh. Are we?

Is my mouth. Everybody. I'm sorry. I'm, you know what I especially don't like about the jelly babies? Are the hate crime. You know,

I especially don't like. I don't like that it disintegrates into a crumble piece inside of your mouth. So not only you eat these little baby I mean, Megan, thank you for us trying it because I am going to take a picture of one of these little babies. But the randoms are delicious.

I like these a lot. How random are they? I also like that they're all different. That's kind of fun. Like they're random. Like some are like, you know, like on a gummy frog, there's like that white gelatin part that's like white? Oh, yes.

Some of them are all that. Some of them are half and half. Some of them are all jelly. They're different objects. They're different sizes. Does anyone remember the fruit snacks when we were kids? they were called shark bites and they were fruit snacks and there was like one white shark in there. And it was your fucking ass.

Oh my God. I needed to get that white shark tooth. Yeah. I loved that. The white shark tooth. This is nothing to do with Jackie Snackies. But inside of my, so it's not shark bites, but do you remember around the same time they had the Scooby-Doo snacks that also had that? No, I don't remember that.

And I found over at the horror boo daga, if you're ever in Burbank, the horror boo daga. also owned by the people that do the Mystic Museum. They have fun, weird treats, and they were selling the Scooby-Doo fruit sales. The chewy fru-fruities that I used to be obsessed with when I was a kid. Wow.

And I remember because they also, but I, but the shark ones were beyond my favorite. Yeah. I loved that what, the great white shark that you would get, that was the white one. Yeah. And it's what made me continue to forever love

the white airheads as well because I felt like it was all kind of in the same category. even though that's not true whatsoever. But it did make me obsessed with them. Yeah. But, all right, let me just try these randoms. Get out of your jelly babies. You suck jelly babies.

You are a nightmare. You're evil. May I have one of those randoms? Get random, girl. Let me get randomer than a monkey-pling six-fune. Oh, yeah. Okay, so yeah, you're right. These are the puppy bear.

Oh, yeah, these are great. These are great. They're all different kinds. They're all different ones. They're all different ones. Megan, unbelievable. Thank you so much for sending this to us. I just want to say,

hold on a second. I was like, don't try to do this while I was your razzling up. Does this episode come out on Thursday? Yeah. I'm going to be jacking on Friday if anybody wants to check me on. Listening, guys, twitch.tv. Oh, no, it's Jackie. Over on the Twitch, you don't even need to make a profile

if you don't want to even like talking to chat. Ooh, you're going to be a creepy little guest. You could just be guesting. You could just come by and watch because Kara's going to join me. And I'm going to get her drunk on Friday this coming Friday tomorrow. It'll be my first time. Oh, so fun, Kara. You're going to have a blast.

I can't wait to get drunk for the first time. You're going to get Kara blitzed. And it's going to be so much fun. Come check it out. Twitch. Oh, no, it's Jackie. 3 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. 6 p.m. Eastern Standard Time.

Now, and again, thank you, Megan, for sending in your snacks, and you can send in if you would like to send in your own. And if you want to let me know who you want me to save them for, 4804, Laurel Canyon Boulevard, number 378 Valley Village, California, 916, 07. Is it my moment to shine? It is your time. All right. This is your moment. Minut Munch Hello, Dill, you're my wild thrill.

It's done you. Mama, mama. Minut munch. Minut munch. Minut munch. Oh. Oh. A combo.

I need you to take a picture of this, Jackie, because they are combos. Jesus Christ. You know, I'm looking for all the spicy chips. This is a bag of combos with a big picture of buffalo wings on it. It's like a graphic close-up of a pile of buffalo wings. Dude, that's crazy. And the flavor is is buffalo blue cheese combos.

And now I am, my pathology is that if I'm going on an airplane, I'm buying a big bag of pepperoni pizza combos and I'm going to dehydrate myself with those combos on the plane. And I don't know why that's what I want to do. But I love combos. Always have.

I don't know. I'm a stupid bitch for a combo. Yeah, I really. I feel like I was eating a combo in the last like five years. and somebody goes, you know those aren't vegetarian, even the cheese ones. Or whatever. Even the cheese ones?

I think it was that. Or like maybe I was eating a pepperoni one and I was like, there's not like there's real pepperoni in it. And people were like, those are not. Like they have beef tallow or something in them. And I was like, oh, really? I thought it was like a bit, like a bakeo bit, you know, where it's like there's nothing in there. Let me do some research.

Because I am, now, did you like combos though when you thought you could eat them? Obviously you were actively eating one when you found out. Yes. Yes. I can't have too many combos. Yeah. It hurts the mouth. They're too big. They are too big.

It's one of the few foods that I feel like the inflation didn't affect the amount of combos in a bag. I was like every other bag of chips, you get barely anything when you open it. But a combo every time you're like, this many, huh? The bags are getting bigger. The backs are so big. Okay, this is really interesting because my mind is thinking, oh, yay, a combo. But then my mind is thinking, why does this combo taste like a buffalo wing? With blue cheese.

Yeah, there's a little bit of the blue cheese is, it's not blue cheese forward, which I'm thankful for. Thank God. But it is Buffalo forward. I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I am confused. It's a confusing experience. Yeah, I am confused.

Yeah, I bet you are. I bet. It's just there's something about the confusion of that little tube of fake that you just slurp on until it breaks the inside of your mouth. That's the thing. That I can't get enough of. Yeah, that's the thing. A combo is inherently confusing. You're creating cognitive dissonance.

What's that in the middle? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. And why is it so good? I don't know. And should I stop? How many of these should I have?

Seems like it should be a small amount. But the bad is... I have to also have a drink with a combo. They're so dry in your mouth. Yeah. Yeah. They really sap it all out. Especially like MJ was saying,

when you're already getting dehydrated on a plane, probably not the time to be eating a bunch of combos. But, man, combos hit right on a plane. They just do, man. They also don't sell anything at an airport that's not super family share size. Yes, that is also the case. You always have a massive sack of combo. Yeah, you can eat 300 combos on your flight.

Yeah. Yeah, I would say I don't hate it. And if you're curious, have that, have a good time. If you think compos are disgusting, you're going to think these are extra disgusting. You're not going to like these. You're not going to like the buffalo bluesies combos. But if you're like me and you like a pepperoni pizza combo, I think you should give it a try and experience the confusion along with me, please.

Yes. When they, like the original flavors of combos are like cheese, right? Yeah. Pepperoni and the pepperoni pretzel. Don't forget about pepperoni pretzel. Besides pepperoni pretzel, what are we comboing? Are we pepperoni pizza you mean? Wasn't it the pizza ones?

There's pizza and pretzel. Oh, really? Double pretzel? There's, no, double pizza. There's pizza with just the bread. combo and there's pizza with a pretzel on the outside, if I'm remembering correctly. Oh. Oh my God.

There's so many times. But what are we comboing? Why are they called combos? It's not like it's two wild flavors put together. I mean, to me, like, I think it's just the pretzel and the cheese. I feel like that. The mush. I think it's the mush.

I'm sorry. Should I say cheese? I should say cheese. I imagine just like C-H-G. It's a combination. C-T-M. Yeah. Crunch and mush. You guys, there's bacon egg and cheese combos.

cheeseburger combos. Oh, no. Oh, no. You're trying to go to the pudding route. What are they good put? Come on. I'm yucking all of these yums. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I want to taste more egg in it. I'll say make it sunny side up. Put it on back in it. Bacon, egg, and cheese is discontinued. It looks like nobody wanted it. Oh, surprise. Surprise. Nobody wanted it.

It was a seasonal flavor. I do love, these are, by the way, sidebar, two theories of why main art. called them wine gums, but these are only theories. Maynard's father was a tea total, and he created wine gums as a rich flavored sweet that would serve as an alcohol-free alternative to traditional wine, or number two, winegums were designed to be a confectionery choice for adults with bolder flavors and less sugar. So maybe that's also what it is.

Maybe it's just that there's less sugar in it. What does that have to do wine? Wine. Like wine, like wine is filled with sugar. It's got sugar. It was kind of less sugar maybe than the wine does, you know? I guess they're theories, Kara. Well, so.

I guess what we just said is, I think we just opened up our door to receive weird combos. So if you find a weird one, send it our way. Let us know about it because we might, if you can find a bacon, chicken cheese, combo. Don't eat it. If you find one, don't eat it. Don't eat it. Yeah, they're old, all right? And we got to get the heck out of here.

MJ, thank you for your munchies. Thank you. Thank you, Kara. We love having you. It's always like a reality show Sleepover when you're here. We love it. Guys, I love coming. Thank you so much for having me. It was really wonderful. And we know that a lot of the, you know, the celebrities were all out there hiding like little Easter eggs over the weekend. And so it was really wonderful to just have a chat and a hang with y'all. And I promise we won't just be talking about sacred lives and Mormon wives till the end of time. But right now it's just it's just what's popping.

It's really, it's really the thing. And the fact that the whole Jesse Marciano's we're not even getting into it right now. All right, guys, thank you so much. Thank you, Kara. Where can we find you? I have a podcast with Jackie Zabrowski. That's me.

Every Wednesday called Who's the Bitch? I have, that's messed up, an SVU podcast. Every Tuesday episodes of that come out. They're both available wherever you pod. Kara Clank on Instagram. Hell yes. See you guys at Jackin. Oh, man.

You're totally going to see you at Jackin. And hopefully we will hear from you, who's the bitch. Get in your bituations. We love, love, love hearing from you. Recently, Kara and I, MJ, told some people that they were being the bitches. Yeah. We're getting better at it.

Yeah. You got to be able to tell them who's the bitch. Wow, that's fun. Half the time we're like, you're the bitch and we would do the exact same thing. And we do the exact same thing. Yeah, yeah. You're relatable. You're a relatable bitch.

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