Page 7 - THE ZOINK w/Amber Nelson

Episode Date: June 18, 2026

This week on Page 7, Jackie and MJ are joined by Amber "Duncan Sheik on the Brain" Nelson of "SPUN", "The Brighter Side", and "HGX2" to goss' all 'bout Amber's ascent (or descent?) into Millennial CVS Music, and the music at JCP making Jackie feel greeeeeeey, but the grocery store music in NYC has got MJ thinkin' its finally their time! Jackie congratulates the NY Knicks on their win, MJ announces they are fully Knickspilled, and everyone reflects how they somehow didn't die while roof drinkin' in NYC.  Jackie and Amber give an update on their rootin' tootin' wild west DnD sessions, Amber gives a not so glowing review of S3 of "Euphoria", "Doc Meet World" shows some of the abusive underside of the "Boy/Girl Meets World" series.  MJ and Jackie discuss how this was a slow celeb news week, as evidenced by the Jeff Goldblum sometimes eats his dessert first being hawt goss', and Tyra Banks filed a lawsuit against Netflix due to the "Reality Check" documentary, plus even more Tyrasanity! Then we got a list filled with Celebs who had terrifying encounters with stalkers, the Blindz, then a Patriotic Jackie's Snackies @1:11:58 and a cheezzy MJ's Minute Munchies @ 1:17:56 til @1:23:57, plus even more on this weeks Page 7! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

She wanted me to sing to her today. And, you know, it's not the song I expected, but it's the song that I'm going to sing. Hell yeah. Because I am barely breathing and I can find the air. Don't know who I'm killing. Imagining you care. And I could stand here waiting. Ooh, another day.

I don't suppose. It's worth a price. You're worth the price. The price that I would pay. And I'm going to over. And it wasn't. So Duncan Sheek, Amber. Duncan Sheik is what was in your head.

Were you listening to this song earlier today? I was. And I'm on this trend of like millennial, millennial CVS music. Hell yeah. Yes. Yes. I love this. It's just comforting.

It reminds me of a time when we didn't have like Steve Bannon telling us what to do. I didn't know it was. It is the saddest. Nothing makes you feel your age quicker. Man, I was in a JCP over the weekend with my heart. husband. And the song, How to save a life? Where did I go wrong?

I lost a friend somewhere alone in the betterness. And I'm going to deal with you all night. And I know how to save a life. And it has been, and that's weirdly enough, Amber. I wanted to start with that song. But I was like, no one gives a fuck about this song. So I'm not going to sing it.

But you know what? You brought up Duncan Sheik. And it made me want to also sing that song. The same genre. Same genre. Those songs are cousins with each other. Yes. I was just in a hotel recently and their lobby music was MGMT's kids.

Oh my God. I was like, I used to do cocaine in this to the song. Like with strangers in a bar bathroom and now it's hotel lobby music. I mean, I'm calling JCP, JCP because I don't even have the time to call it JCPenney. Yes, M.J.J. was JCPenney. Yes, I wasn't sure if JCPennies was. still around. I'm sorry, MJ, to disappoint you.

But yeah, JCP is thriving. Good. It is aliveing and thriving really well. It's not going the way of the Sears. How dare you put that on our JCP? Never. Never. If they took away my Joanne's.

If they take away my JCP, where will they go next? I'd say that if you would ask me, if you said I'll give you $1,000 to name the artist who sings barely breathing. I don't think I've ever heard the word stunk and cheek in my life. Really? And I know that song pretty well. So I don't know how that happened. But I do love getting into the world of listening to what we're listening to at the G.D.

grocery store. I mean, I'll tell you what. I was picking out zucchini the other day and toxic came on. And I was like, in my brain, this is too much of a bop for a grocery store. I know, this is the problem. I turn off my, whatever I'm listening to when I go to the grocery store, I turn it off because I want to be fully present for the grocery store playlist because, yeah, that is how we know we are our age because it's all good stuff on there now. It's all good stuff. It's all good stuff.

What's going to be in the future, like, more older, just like some, like what's going on now that's like a song people are doing drugs to? God. I think the youngs aren't doing, well, I guess they're doing drugs. They're just not drinking. They're not drinking the way that we used to. So I guess it's more, but it's such a more of like a vibe. I think it's more like we're just like smoking weed and and listen into more vibey music now. Yeah, the X-E-X is going to be at the grocery store.

That's it. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Oh, yeah, man, Brad. Yeah, I want to be thinking about panties while I'm picking out macaroni and cheese. Well, not to bring in the New York Knicks to it, but I was at the grocery store the other day and they were playing Empire State of Mind and I was like literally singing it walking down the aisles because I was like, this is a patriotic choice for New York City. Everybody's singing Empire State of Mind.

Yes. Even in the grocery store. Concrete jungles, where dreams are made of. Like Nick's dreams, congratulations to your ball. Amber, we've got to give it up to their ball. Their ball did good. Their ball went in and their balls got big. And you guys were like out in the streets, right?

Oh, boy. You know how a, you know the collective joy that New York gets to tap into. Like I was saying to this to Jackie. off mic. It's like, you know, living here, it's like, oh, like, there's just a, there's just dirt on everything, you know, and yes, my children don't really touch grass very frequently. And, you know, yes, it's very loud and, and busy all the time. And there's just so much trash outside my front door. And, but when a good thing happens in New York, you get to experience it collectively. And that makes all of it worthwhile. All of the difficult things about New York

get, get, the balance gets wiped and cleared. And then you, you, you, you, get a surplus as soon as something good happens. I was, I had moved here in 2008. And so when Obama was elected, I was on the subway. Man, that was announced. A great night. And that was, were you in New York when Obama got elected? I was.

Man, that was a great night. That was crazy. Great night in New York City. You know, we get these, you know, the 2020 election was another one. People rushing out into the streets and drinking. But, yeah, of course, the New York Knicks winning. You know, they said a couple of things on fire. But for the most part, it was a lot of just really sweet.

multicultural dancing, singing, joy, joy in the streets. And yes, I've watched exactly three next games this season. And if I had a third kid, I would name them Jalen Brunson. I have become fully mixed-pilled. I'm saying, Bing, Bong, all the time. And I love it. This is, this is, I've never been happier to be in New York. I'm really proud of you.

It is also crazy that New York is quite nothing like any other place. I mean, New York itself is an entity. Like I do believe that it is like an ex-boyfriend of mine. Like I view the entire city as an ex-boyfriend. But there's nothing like when the city also gets collectively sad because I'll never forget the day after Trump won the first time. And I remember we all openly were drinking in the streets. And then the next morning, the collective, complete desperation of everyone,

because I worked at a coffee shop, a coffee pie shop. So I saw everyone hung the fuck over the next morning. Just being like, guess we got to keep on. living, huh? And just remembering the over, like the collective upset that we had as a sick. Yeah. I was there during Occupy Wall Street. And I remember I was like there on the first day. And there was a guy on a megaphone saying these, these banks have taken our money and they've embezzled it and they messed up. And then we shouldn't be able to pay for their mistakes. They should pay for it. I'm sick and tired of like bailing out the ruling class. And then someone behind us, me goes, yeah.

Yeah, and animal rights, too. And then we're all like, oh. No. Okay. Sure. Yeah. Get the feet to eat out of here. Right.

And then the next day it was like Harry Krishna's, like the gutter punks. And the fed guys. The fed guys really showed up. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I think that person that said animal rights too was a fed because we were all on board and like ready to go storm because it was like right when they were throwing out the McDonald's applications. And I was like, we take the building.

Right? Like we go fuck them up. Right? Yeah. And they quickly stopped that. They did. There was a, the, the, the, the repression against Occupy is, was, is one of the great tragedies of our lifetimes, I think. But yes, you're right. What's where MJ met? That's how MJ met. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Shaped the whole course of my life. And yeah, when people say Occupy ended, I say it didn't end. It was, it was suppressed by the state. But you're right, Jackie. We experience here. We experience the joy collectively and the sadness collectively. the drunkenness collectively. It's all a collective experience,

which is why it's exhausting to live here. But then sometimes it's good, you know. And now I went into a Timothy Shalamee deep dive because I was like, well, why can't I sort out my feelings about Timothy Shalamee? And in my head, I thought, oh, he's this rich, dandy French boy. But it turns out he did grow up in Hell's Kitchen like walking over to MSG during Nix games.

And he's not quite, his backstory, isn't quite as annoying as I anticipated. So you learn something new every day. I like this. The Knicks is making you like sham-o-lam a Bing-Bong. I threw the Knicks. Nothing of what he's done professionally, just the fact that he likes the Nix. Yeah, just his, well, you know, again, I was like, oh, why is he so French?

Oh, I summered in France. But it's not like, but, you know, he's not, he's, I'm surprised he doesn't Holaria talk like, oh, yeah, you know, starts talking like Gerard Daypart. do that we were talking about before this episode. He could because he has one French parent and he did summer in France, you know, so it's hard to do that without sounding that noise. Yeah, if he starts doing that, you know, then I feel like if he starts talking like the cook from the Little Mermaid, then we have to be like, wait a second.

I know you summered in France. I did, I don't know if you saw an hour doc though, MJ. I did write from chat during Jackin on Friday. Someone in chat said, of course MJ loves basketball. Their name is Michael Jordan. And I thought that was very funny. I do have to tell I, you know, interning in a middle school this year, of course, I had a couple of, I had a couple of very smart middle schooler kids being like MJ like Michael Jackson. Ha ha ha.

And then I would say no, like Michael Jordan. Obviously the superior MJ. Yes. So yes. And he and I share the same birthday. So I am him. Whoa. Weird.

You are he. It is, it's crazy because Jay Z has been popular enough that I have been called. like Jay-Z like Jay-Z, like when people find it out, like when they figure it out, they think that they've uncovered a truth, you know, they're like, like Jay-Z, the rapper. It's like, yep. Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's it's my initials.

That between that and also, my middle name is M, so it's J-M-Z, and that is the Brown Line, the subway line in the city. That's exciting. For a while, I think people did drunkenly try to call me poop line for a bit, but it didn't stick. That's a weird nickname. Yeah, nobody calls it the poop line. It's the way to Bushwick.

That's, I feel like that's how people talk about the JMZ line. You call it the poop line when we used to drink like on roofs staring at the poop line going by because it was above ground. So we would stare at the train so we would drink to the poop line. So we were calling at the poop line. I see. Drinking on a roof. Do you still drink on a roof, MJ? Man, not as much as I did 20 years ago.

go. Oh, you're not living to die? Oh, the way. I still don't know how we never fell off any of those roofs. Because those ladders were also like, like, like, rickety and like going straight up, like, 15, 20 feet. Oh, all those rooms we were drinking on were not permitted roofs to be hanging out on. We were, you're so right. We were going up fire escapes. We were going up ladders that were like not bolted to the wall. It was, but, oh, boy, did we have a good time? Oh, did we? But here's a thing, MJ, we're still having a good time. I did want to bring up, I got to bring it up every time, especially Amber's on. Amber and I, we've been playing D&D together. Yes. And I just, I got to throw, I bring it up every time just because Amber is really killing it. Amber is a dwarf

barbarian named Little Man. And Little Man is maybe the funniest, um, I, I want to say character I've ever played D&D with, uh, by far. I mean, Amber's playing truth or You know, she's playing poker. Like, she's really trying to get in there. Games and games. Games and games. And it's just funny to watch Jeff improv with Amber. And really, he's following you, though.

He's great. I love D&D. I had no idea it was going to be like this. And y'all are so much fun to play with. Thank you. It's just been so fun to watch Amber. It's like when people talk about, like, Amber, I don't mean this in a, in a bad way. It reminds me of how much.

many people are like our friend Jared Logan who plays with kids. And I only say that just because your mind is so open to like say whatever and you're not thinking about what I love is that we're also in a crowd where you're not hung up on the rules. Like Jeff is not the kind of DM where it's like it has to be exactly the rules. And he lets you play more. And it's just so fun to watch you to see, man, I tell you, MJ, the hijinks. We have been getting. into. It's a lot. And also Jackie made a breakfast casserole that was, I had in real life, not in the D&D. In real life,

four minute breakfast casserole for D&D. That is such an unexpected pairing. Oh my God, you have to see Amber and I, so Amber and Amber's home and our home, we take turns hosting D&D and now Amber and I are going head to head

with hosting abilities every time. Oh, you're in a garden, Martha Stewarding it. Oh, but it's great because it's not competing. We're doing it in a way of like, this is so awesome. Oh, you thought of this.

You got this. And we've just been putting out these crazy spreads because if there's one thing, this bitch Amber knows how to put out a fucking spread. Oh, well, thank you. You know how to put out a spread too.

Thank you. MJ, how are your spread abilities? My, you know, again, not as good as that you said. I'm not, you're learning in this conversation is I'm not doing any of the fun or good things I used to do. I used to love a spread, but I'm now I'm, when people come over, I'm like, do you want these weird chips I tried for my podcast?

And that's about all I got. But Amber, I want to know what you do. What's your, I know, we talk a lot about Ina Garton and Martha Stewart here. What is your, what's your go-to? Like, what's your, what's your style? I know Jackie's obviously heavily influenced by New York Italian cuisine. But you're a southerner. What's your, what's your style when you host?

When I host? Well, I'm about to throw a birthday party. And I'm thinking what to do, like sort of affordability, but feeding everybody. because, like, what's that stupid chain? Panda Express. If I were to get catering from Panda Express, it's $200 on the cheap end. And I'm like, are you kidding me?

I think I'm just going to go to get a big roast and put it in the crock pot. Yeah. And we're just kind of roast sandwiches. Yeah. Oh, yeah, put a pork shoulder in the slow cooker. That's it. And then you just a bunch of pulled pork sandwiches

and stuff like that. Because, yeah. Amber is an amazing cook. Jackie, you're an amazing cook. Thank you. But it is so wonderful. that like we get this. Like Amber and I have been friends for 20 years,

but we've never had the opportunity to hang out like this before. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, because we've just, we've worked together for a million years and we've obviously drank together for a million years. But it's funny because this is a, it's a Saturday morning activity that we all do together. So, yeah, we put out like a brunch spread.

And we play for like four or five hours. And because they're like big, accessions and I just I'm obsessed with a dwarf barbarian named Little Man. I think it's so funny. It's really funny. I sent Jeff a video that was like this little, I don't know what the correct term is, but he was a shorter individual and he was just on top of a little table singing, like sitting on the dock of the bay or whatever and I'm like, this is Little Man. It's Little Man, look at Little Man doing it, because Little Man, he cleans up in the brothels, MJ, if you could imagine. Yeah. You could also roll for performance check, and I was just like, I fell in love with this young lady at the brothel.

Oh, my God. And I was like, can we roll for performance check? And it was a two. So it's just like, you know, obviously I was like got soft during the. Yeah. And like little man's holding her and like tail like or no, like, oh, she's holding little man. And little man's saying like his whole life story. You know, it's just like, and the sex worker is just trying to get paid.

Right. And it is funny because Amber and I solely refer to them as whores. but Jeff, as the DM, will call them sex workers. And he's like, but we're in the Old West, MJ. We're like, our whole D&D campaign is set in the Old West. So Amber and I are just, we're calling them likes. We seize them. We ask, but we do ask for consent.

We do. Oh, that's good. Yes, it's all consensual. What's the show Westwood? You're like, you're like, swear engine. Deadwood, not Westwood. Deadwood, thank you. Westwood is a restaurant.

But it is West. And also, it is the Old West. Man, I was just talking about this yesterday. West World and Deadwood. I mix up sometimes. I was just telling somebody about Deadwood because they were saying, I don't like the old West. She straight up was just like, I don't think I get it. And I was like, I mean, I don't have to like it.

It exists. It does, yeah. It exists. You don't have to like it. Yeah. It just, it was a moment in time. But I was like, if, well, essentially she was saying like because of how women were treated. But I was like, I understand.

Yeah, but also lots of history. And you mean you don't like history? anytime like the current day like it's just also a there's lots but I did say watch Deadwood I was like at least take obviously the female characters are not they don't have a lot of power

but they are unbelievable I mean calamity Jane alone Oh yeah there she goes I've been watching euphoria because you know me I don't really watch a lot of TV and I was like let me put on this like top rated TV show by he's talking about and I can't believe how Republican is tell me about this Amber

Okay Amber did you just start Is it because of Sidney's Sweet Yes. Yeah. Where are you in season? Are you in season three that just is currently coming out? I've only watched this season. Oh.

So I haven't seen them in high school. I haven't seen anything. It's only this. And I'm like, you know how like Catholics will invest money into horror movies? Because the horror movies say hell is real. Here's the burning. And unless you repent and go to Jesus Christ and go to church, you're going to burn. Which is real.

Like you can go and look at the producers. And a lot of them are from the Catholic Church. or even from the Mormon church. Nathan Lane? Nathan Lane. And so when I watch Euphoria, I'm like, oh, this is an obvious, like, unless society has these very rigid and forced rules, all the women are going to go do only fans and or just go to straight up brothels in the desert and all the men are going to be pimps

and drug dealers. And it's like, no, society doesn't run like this. Like, this is all like a fantasy. Interesting. And everything is about a man and appeasing a man. it feels like I'm in a room with X users. Yeah. You know, not Twitter X.

Yes. Okay. So it's like you're basically saying now, Jackie, I know has seen all of the earlier seasons. Jackie, are you watching? It's funny. I watched the first two seasons and Amber has only watched the third season. I stopped at the, uh, after the second season, there was this unbelievable two shot of

Coleman Domingo and Zendaya. And like it was like it was essentially Rue going to her sponsor. after having, like, after having fallen off the wagon. And it is a unbelievable. It shot well. Like, and it is, that, but that, and then hearing about everything that is happening in this season, I'm like, you know what? I think I'm going to leave it there. Yeah, I definitely don't think I should leave it there.

Yeah. I'm going to leave it because that was such a cool. Honestly, even just watching it to watch that episode was worth it to me because I did at first, really, the first season, it is shocking. It is like, it definitely, I'll never forget it. You know, it was like, I understand why it was such a hot hitting show. It's just the people in, like, and the way everyone sees the people in the show has so greatly changed. And I'm sure they have as well.

And it's just in between he put out the idol, which was just such horrible trash. Oh, is that the one with the weekends? Yes. Why? People don't like, the weekend. You know you want it bad. And it's a holden. Oh, we were like making fun of this show so much because she makes this song that's going to be her hot song.

And then she fucks this guy in the recording studio. So they overlay the song with. And she's like, isn't this so fresh? Isn't this? And it's just, it's so over the time. that we watched it all and it was horrible. So have you watched all of you? Have you watched all of the season?

I've only seen like five episodes. It feels very stifling. It feels like me as just like a lady with an opinion who likes to talk and I'm not, men are great. They're just not a part of my life. They're just not like a centered part of my life. It seems like if I were to walk in that room

with those people in real life, I would be treated like, who is this bitch? It's like that. So it's like you're saying that kind of like, because I've always, what I've always heard about euphoria, especially as a parent is like, don't watch it. Like it's a cautionary tale. It's a cautionary tale of like all the things that can go bad with teenagers. But you're saying that it's not just like a, like a tale of like what teenagers can get into. But it's like the specific moral framing of it is like if we don't protect women from themselves, they will then tumble into this like moral decay, basically. That's basically it. Interesting. Protecting women from themselves, quote of quotes around that. But yeah, it's total bullshit.

Yeah. Like, because, you know, Jackie and I aren't like that. Nah, man, I ain't got any, I need nobody telling me what to do. No. I'm going down that drain all fine by myself. And that's what, oh my God, then maybe I do need Euphoria Season 3. I need a man to come in and tell me what to do. I mean, I know that there's been many shows where the like,

fame arc of the actors has changed radically from the beginning to the end. Like I'm thinking, like, this must have happened with every show that was like this must have felt this way with like 90210. And, you know, obviously like ER and friends, all these blockbuster shows where it's like the actors at the start are, you know, are up and comers. It's why we have to watch Friday Night Lights again, MJ. Friday Night Lights is a great example. We brought up Friday Night Lights, I think like three weeks ago just errantly. And I have been thinking about it ever since. MJ. I think that's what we should do after Buffy personally. But true blood. I know there's maybe after true blood. But it's I just feel like, and again, I say this is a non-euphoria

watcher, but I almost feel like it's like, it feels impossible to go back to a show with the actual arc in real life that these actors have had because like now the actors are so much bigger than the show. So much. And it just feels like it, I don't know, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like saved by the bell the new class or say by the bell the college years where you're like you can't go home again it's too weird it's uncanny to see these people going back to this world that they

created when they like weren't these same stars you know oh my god save by the bell college years I haven't thought about that forever MJ it wasn't good that's why you haven't thought about it was bad it was not good and also boy meets world yeah didn't they have one where he goes to college oh my boy meets world went on

that's just an example of how a show goes on too long and you're like Eric is not it's not fun anymore that you're like man meets world now he's a creed now he's just weird stop hanging out with these people you should have launched by now eric yeah and now yeah that don't even get me started on the boy meets world industrial complex because now they've got their podcast where they talk all about boy meets world and then they generate news because they talk about how ben savage doesn't talk about boy meets world all the time and they're like oh now there's a whole round of news stories about how ben savage doesn't talk to them anymore.

Can talk to them anymore. There's a Boy Mets World podcast. Oh, yeah. There's a Boy Meets World podcast, and they, like, make news. You know, Jackie and I read the celebrity news. They are in the headlines so much. There's also a full house podcast. For some reason, nobody cares about that one.

I think they're not dropping truths the way the Boy Meets World one must be. And also, I will throw it out. It's called Pod Meets World. But also, Daniel Fischel was on Dancing with the Stars last year, too. So that, like, bumped it up for them and got a everybody talking about it. Yeah, and she brought Mr. Feeney, the corpse of Mr. Feeney, be like, let me dance around you. He's, he's in his 90s.

Mr. Feeney's, I don't think he wanted to be on the stage, but I guess if he didn't want to be dragged on the stage, he wouldn't have been. Yeah, he's 99. Maybe he was going, no, no, and just nobody could hear him. I hope that wasn't the case. But everybody really likes PodMeets World. Really? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, the show has been done. Like, what did we talk? What did they even talk about? Yeah, the show was done, and then they did Girl Meets World, and then now I just saw a blind, actually, today that there's going to be a tell-all about Girl Meets World also being predatory towards the kids, including Sabrina Carpenter, who, according to this blind, is going to be participating in it.

And I have been also thinking about this because as I lamented last week, it's YouTube, keeping YouTube out of your home when you have school-age kids is like, keeping roaches out of your apartment when you live in New York City. It's just like you can do so much. And if they're in the building, it's like they're just going to keep coming in. And like, I'm trying so hard. And, you know, this YouTube stuff is like seeping its way in. And I'm like, I'm like, I don't like this. I don't know. But it presents this like fun family content. So it's hard to be like, kids, let me tell you a little story about Piper Raquel. You know, you don't want to like get too serious when you're talking about how nefarious YouTube stuff can be.

But then I was like, man, I just longed for the days of like Nickelodeon. And then I had this realization today where I was like, those kids were all being abused too. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we were also then being like the tsunami of commercials in between. And we were all just like, I want this. I want this. And everything was about I want this.

I want this because they were also directed to the kids that were just because all of us were just sat in front of a television. Yeah. And the television was a babysitter. I will say, I didn't move from the television. I wasn't playing with knives. I was staring at that screen. I remember asking my mom for diet pills because I was in sixth grade. Asking for, because I think Carmen Electra or one of the people they were like advertising,

just like, take this pill and you'd be skinny, silly. And I was like, mom, can I get those pills? And she was like, absolutely not. Wow. At least, especially even that young, but you're already thinking about diet pills, you know? That's sad. Yeah. That's so sad.

Yeah. Yeah, but is it as sad as how Jeff Goldblum eats his meals? Oh my God. I, it was so, this, this article I laughed about for a while because it's just like, Jeff Goldblum, known eccentric. And I was like, okay, let's see how this, because the fact that like the headline was Jeff Goldblum reveals the strange way he eats his meals. And I was like, God, what does he do?

You know, it's like, I, I, I, like, no forks. Yeah, sure. Like he has to rip it up into a hundred pieces each, no matter what size it is. It has to be a hundred pieces. No, he just sometimes will eat dessert before dinner. He gets it all at the same time. What?

I am losing my mind. It is because there was a UFC fight on the lawn of the White House, all right? Everyone that writes celebrity, all the celebrities were like, I want nothing to do with her. Oh, is that why? Is that why there's very few celebrity news stories this week is because of the UFC fight? I'm pretty sure they're either, they were either celebrating the Knicks. Yeah.

They're celebrating the World Cup. They're celebrating or they are hiding and trying desperately to pretend like everything else isn't happening and not wanting to be seen anywhere near any of it or supporting any of it. I was just going to say I can, the only celebrity news I can tell you about this week is, again, Timothy Shalameh's relationship with the Knicks and Mariska Hagerty's relationship with the Knicks and Jalen Brunson. They are the celebrities dominating. Nobody really wants to. And praise God, I think because of the Knicks fervor, I was able to avoid the UFC fight thing.

I like, I just covered my ears and went la la la la, nothing's happening. Yeah, well there was a guy, one of the fighters, he previously showed up drunk to a way in and then threw up on himself on camera. Cool. Right. You know, talk about real amazing. American hero. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow, he threw up all over himself.

And he had a lot to say, you know, you can look it up, I don't want to repeat it, but he had a few things to say at the match. Yeah. For no reason. Yeah, for no reason, sir. Just fight, please. I tried to just, I went to go see Disclosure Day as all of this was happening. And I was like, I'm just going to go see this Spielberg movie.

And then I got angry at the Spielberg movie. And I'm just like, this naive way of thinking, meanwhile, are you? UFC as it was like happening. It just like it made me and I'll get into it more on talking TV with you, MJ, um, my feelings about the, the latest Spielberg movie. But I don't want to make Amber sit through my cries. That's okay. I'll sit through your cries. I appreciate that. Some other big celebrity news from this week is Tyra Banks coming in with the lawsuit against Netflix. Oh my God. Oh, my God. How dare you say that I can don't the sexual assault of somebody on camera.

She didn't, my favorite part of this lawsuit is she's like, she didn't say at the time that it was sexual assault. So how could I have known? And it's like, Tyra, it's on video. It's on video. And what was the moment? So I never watched America's Got Talent. And but, but, I, America's Next Top Model.

God, thank you. And America, I did watch America's Got Talent. I watched a lot of America's Got Talent. I was about to say, I'm pretty sure. sure you did. Because I love the model. I love America's Next Top Model. I watch America's next every episode. Really? Okay. So did you watch the Netflix documentary tell all about it that came out a few months ago? I have to now. It's a bomb shell after bombshell. It is called reality check inside America's next top model. I mean, she would put those models through hell. That's what this

docu series is about. And now she's like, how dare you say that? But specifically, she has a lot of contention, a lot of claims in the lawsuit, but one of them... She says alleged defamation by implication, breach of contract, false endorsement, and false light. And specifically, I think one of the things that makes her look worst in the documentary is this moment with a woman named Shandy, who in, I think it was early seasons, and it is kind of shown, as it is, it is 2009, it is presented as she gets really drunk and cheats on her boyfriend, but in the, with the 2026 glasses, and also I'm going to say with the 2009

glasses. We didn't need 20 years to go by to be able to see that she is incapacitated on camera. She can't stand up. She's completely, there's no question that it is a sexual assault on camera. She is obviously unable to consent. And then this whole arc that season is spun out about how she cheated on her boyfriend. She cheated on her boyfriend. And she cheated, she is so visibly unable to consent. I remember that. I remember even thinking, like, no, she just looked really drunk. Yes. And I remember thinking, because you internalized

it. I was like, I guess I can never get drunk around a boy like that. Well, this is the... Oh, my God. And I think that's where the 2009 glasses come in. Because in 2009, we, who at the time were being told, you know, if you go out and something happens to you, it's your fault. Like, I think that the, I think the reason

maybe that this was able to even be a plot line without getting flagged was because that is how everybody talked about it. Yeah, if you get drunk as something happens to you, it's your fault. So I think the 2009 glasses were what allowed producers to not edit that part out and not save her from having this happen, not save the actual woman from having this happen, not prevent it. But when you look at it with 2026 glasses, it looks very obviously, very, very bad. And in this lawsuit, Tyra, it's like, you edited my reactions to make it look like I didn't, like I think, you know, that I was

in favor of it. Like one of the claims is literally like, oh, you, you, you edited it so that, like, you say her name and then I take a breath and I, like, look away. Yes. And it makes it see, she's like, it made, you made it seem like I didn't know who you were talking about the way you're editing. And she says, like, one of the claims is like, well, how could I, she never said it was an assault. So, so how could I have known? And that's the part where it's like, well, we didn't know. We just didn't know that date rape was, we had the word date rape. It's a short, I think it's not a very helpful phrase, but like, we knew that there was such a thing as being too drug to consent in 2009. Tyra, you could have known.

But now she's just like, this Netflix documentary made me look very bad. She made herself look bad. Remember she always, like, would pick, like, a pretty girl, like one random girl that she's kind of jealous of and make her cut her hair really short. See, I never watched it. That's what she would do? Yeah, so she would, like, you know, you have the gaggle of, like, very young ladies. And then they would fat. They would body shame.

They would fat shame. and that were like very, very thin. And every time, every single season, she would pick one woman, make her cut her hair short, and then fire her from it. And you'd be like, you're gone, you're cast out, just to like fuck her up. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. No, she's evil. Everything. Yeah, I do think she's evil. Yes, I do think Tyra's a little, I think she's... I've been, like, on a tire banks, like, on TikTok and whatever looking at her, because she has this hot ice cream in Australia.

Oh, yeah. We know. We know about the hot. ice cream. So all she does is like... Smize cream, please. Smize cream. Yeah, smize cream. So all she does is have that business and then go to drag shows where she just kind of crashes out and even the

other like gay people there at the bar are just like, oh my God, is she okay? Because she just gets hammered and there's video after video of her getting hammered and like trying to do karaoke and people just kind of laughing at her. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's just a, but you know, keep drinking on that cocoa because I'm pretty sure it's

just, who wants liquid ice cream? I just don't understand. And then it's like, are you going to be like sucking back chunks and be like there's cookie dough in it? Like is that what I still, I know, I have to try it at some point. I know that I will. But in the meantime,

we've got to get to the list. Oh, who's on the list? Jackie, got to have that list. Amber, I thought that you would enjoy this list. Celebrities who have had terrifying experiences with stalkers. Oh. Wow.

And I just, this made, this gave me spun feelings. It gave me, you know, I was just like, oh, Amber's going to love this. Don't worry, this is not people, you know, this is. It's not Selena. Yes. Right. Exactly. No, it's in 2018, a stalker broke into Taylor Swift's New York City townhouse,

took a shower and slept in her bed. But that wasn't his last time in Taylor's apartment. The following year, he used a ladder to climb onto her terrace and tried to break in again. He said, I don't want to hurt her. I just wanted to speak to her to talk to her. She seems nice and cool. She said following his arrest, he pled guilty in 2019 for violating the probation. He was sentenced to following the first case. So it is just the idea of stalkers in general. Yeah, just somebody taking a shower and like sleeping in your bed. And being in your space and I feel like at that point, then there's a ghost to my house. I would feel like, then we, I'd move.

Yeah, I think immediately I get rid of this space. Like, if you're a Taylor Swift, obviously not us, not the every person. No, I couldn't afford to. No, but a Taylor Swift, I'd get rid of that place. It's like Baby Rainier, you know, it's like you can't, if you're just a normal person, you can't really escape a stock very well. And as we learned in Baby Rainier, the police won't really do anything. Yeah, this is one of those things where I'm like, oh, Taylor Swift, she's such a,

she puts so many barriers between herself and the people. And then you read this and you're like, well, that might be why. Yeah, they have to. Yeah, no, they definitely. And especially with all like the conversation now everyone's like, is she getting married this week? Is she getting married? Where is she getting married?

Married, married. And then, oh, yeah. MJ, what's that? Okay, I have to, there was a headline this morning that I saw that suggested that was it, it was e-news that suggested that Zoran, Mom Dani, my husband was going. Yes, was going to the wedding. That she was, that like reportedly confirmed that she was getting married in New York City because he said, quote, we are the biggest city in the country.

He told page six, we are used to big events. We are incredibly excited for this one. He's talking about the World Cup. He's continued, we know it coincides with the Knicks final run. We know it coincides with July 4th, America's 250th, and Taylor Swift's wedding, all happening at the same time. And we're so excited to welcome the world here. And so everyone is like, Zoran, Zoran, Zoran, welcoming Taylor Swift to New York to get married.

And I just had to bring that in because I don't. don't know if that's what's happening. It sounds like he's just throwing Taylor's his wedding in there with the delusion of the events that's happening. Yeah. I mean, it's huge. She's a big star. Yes.

And there was rumors last week that it's going to be at Madison Square Garden, which I, I do, we do think is pathological. It's got, it has to be. There's no way it's going to be at MSG. But if you have that kind of money, then like, fuck it. Do MSG. But in the middle of the city? They are?

Like, how do you get out? You fly in a helicopter and you fly out. Whoa. That would be fun. But like, do it at the. met, like, you know, like, when you want to get buried in a stadium? Like, yeah, there's so many beautiful places in Manhattan that it could be. But I, now I am a little bit, Taylor Swift's going to have a secret wedding in Manhattan Pilt because of reading that Zoron quote, the first time I laughed,

and now I read it again. I'm like, oh, maybe there's an Easter egg in here. You know, you can't talk about Taylor Swift without reading into every single word. So I don't know, maybe it's happening. But anyway, you know, you're going with your list. I wish her well I wish her well I won Beautiful gowns You have been highly covered for sure

Yes Oh yeah yeah and I just I saw like the The Kelsey Brothers podcast Was doing a live podcast And it was like a She was videoing in like of her It's like the video

There's like a video of her like spoon feeding Travis and stuff like that And I'm just like man That's such a great like Easter egg To have in your show to get people to go My God I want a Taylor Swift Easter I'm like, Taylor, I've got this little video. You've got to come to the show if you want to see her acting like a person.

But, you know, maybe that the next page seven show, guys, maybe we'll get it. You know, who knows? Maybe she'll show up. We've got to start speaking in weird number codes and stuff, you know, was 13, 420. Yeah, 69. Very nice. In 1988, David Letterman stalker, Margaret Mary Ray was arrested for stealing the late night show's host, Porsche, and telling us.

police that she was his wife. Whoa. In total, Ray was arrested eight times for trespassing on Letterman's property, including for sleeping near his tennis courts. As a result, she spent 34 months in prison and state mental facilities. Following her release from prison, Ray began to stalk astronaut Story Musgrave instead of Letterman and ultimately took her own life in 1998. She's Louise.

I wonder how difficult it must be for a stalker, like if you're a stalker, to change who you're stalking. Like I feel like that's got to be like a big thing. I guess you get arrested and then you try to shift, you know? Well, they, because I have a friend of mine who's being stalked and then she was told to just ignore all this person, ignore their calls, don't even call it out, and then they will eventually find somebody else. Yeah, but also you have to just throwing this out there, have everything in writing, document everything. I think it is the opposite. I think that you call in absolutely everything. You have a paper trail of everything because they will not do anything. unfortunately, usually

like, you know it's fun until something happens. And I think that like the idea of a stalker like baby reindeer too, like that idea is so so terrifying. I went with her to the police to report it and they were like

there's nothing we can do just document everything and then don't talk to them. Jesus. And I was like, whoa. Because there's nothing that can be done until usually it's too late. Yeah.

And it is, that's why like just the idea. Like some people are like, oh, but they have these suburbities, they have so many homes. Oh, they're breaking into one or their homes. It's like, yeah, not to be like this, but I'm not a person that has many homes everywhere. But it's got to be scary to have homes in other places that you're not usually in because no one will is checking up on it for you. Yeah. You know, so you just walk in there like a guy sleeping in your bed.

Yeah. Hello. I don't know. I'm hung up on being David Letterman's stalker in particular. I'm like, I hate to say that the stalker has like good taste and who to stalk. But, like, I feel like it's kind of, you know, expected that stalk Taylor Swift, but stalking, like, the kind of, like, weird art late night guy who throws stuff off the roof and, like, watches an ice cube melt and throws himself into a Velcro wall with a Velcro suit.

But maybe you see him every day. You see the show every day. So you start, like, think, you know, especially, like, in a delulu brain. Like, it is just, I mean, or, you know, or diagnosed delulu brain. Like, there it is a of like, oh, no, but he comes and he talks to me every night. Like, think of the guy, like, the guy, like, the. Where was it the zoinck? What was it?

What are you talking about? The zoiq! The doink! Dominoes! Zoing! Oh, the zoin. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Noid.

The Noid. Because it was like, avoid the noid. Avoid the noid. Some guy whose name was noid. So he goes to a dominoes and holds him up. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

So maybe it's one of those kind of situations. Also, in 1998, he said 98 or 88? 88. 88. Eighty-88. Lederman was a young guy. He was, I think he's pretty handsome. At top of his gay.

you know. And very, very funny. I mean, I get it. He's there every night. Like, the way that people say that parasycial relationships now are fostered by like, you know, people just kind of like having your podcast friends always be there for you. I guess that was Letterman, too. Yes. I mean, you see him every day. And back then, you weren't seeing people all the time. We didn't have the YouTube's. We weren't screaming about the YouTube's, MJ. But we were screaming, we were screaming about Gwyneth Paltrow, but not about this. In 2016, Quineatho made headlines when her accused stalker was acquitted by an Ohio jury. We wouldn't be yelling about Guantith Palo about this, by the way. That was a bad tradition. In 2000, Dante Soeu

pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity after sending Palo-propic messages. Upon his release from a mental institute, he sent 66 letters and packages to Palo asking her forgiveness and expressing his desire to marry her. But the jury determined that that wasn't a crime. This is the kind of thing that I'm talking. talking about of like, that's not a crime? Is that harassment? I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. Get, there's a lawyer in my house. But he's a lawyer in my house. But he's not a stalking lawyer, so I don't know if he knows. But I'm just surprised that that doesn't count as harassment. But I know, again, Baby Rangers, baby Ranger told me everything I know about stalking.

And what I learned is that it is very hard to stop them. Or what if you do, what do you do, like, Kira Knightley? Knightley's stalker meowed through the letterbox of her house in 2016 in an attempt to draw out the actress. Convicted flasher Mark Revelle sent Knightley multiple letters and repeatedly showed up at her house both to profess his love and to ask her to promote his music career. Nightly took out a restraining order. Listen to my demo. A little dofer. There's a little dofer here. That is, it makes me, this is giving humans can lick two, which is that, um, It is the short story.

Short story about being home at night. It'll never forget seeing a short film of it made where someone's home alone at night and they keep feeling like they're being watched. They think there's someone in the house. And like you would see like the dog goes to sleep next to the bed every night and she puts down her hand to make sure the dog was there. And she goes to sleep and she wakes up in the morning and she looks in the mirror and in blood it says humans can lick two with the dog's head. sawed off next to her bed. And that... Jesus Christ.

I never trust, MJ. Never think that you're safe. Just remember that while you're in your Knicks, New York right now, okay? Just remember that humans can lick to, MJ. You are really trying to burst my bubble over here, Jackie. I wish I had never heard what you just said. Yeah, your face was like... I'm going to go back to watching videos of...

Jalen Brunson, talk about how he didn't let it get to him that he was a second round draft. But think about it. Think about it. What were you telling? I will, I'll give you a Knicks pedestal. You were telling me something about the guy is the baby of the daddy. And he's the baby of the daddy and the daddy loves balls. So Jalen Brunson, who is the, who he scored about half of the points that the Knicks had in their winning game.

Like it was like a roughly a hundred point game and he scored roughly 50 of the points, which is just like, though, I think the only other person who has done that is Michael Jordan. But so he's a big, big star. Everyone in New York wants to name their babies, Jalen Brunson. I'm pretty sure a baby has already been born and been named Jalen Brunson. And so he was the MVP, he's the captain. But his dad was a Nick in the 90s the last time the Knicks were in the playoffs and they were playing the spurs. So his dad.

Which is the team they won. The spurs are the team that just won against. That's a team. I'm not talking about the experts. Last time they were in the finals. It was also against the Spurs. And it was instead of Jalen Brunson, it was his dad. And they lost. And now his dad is an assistant coach on the team.

And so, you know what? The first thing that Jalen Brunson did after they won, he went over and he... Fuck you, Daddy. Fuck you, daddy. You didn't do it. Fuck you, daddy. He went over and he hugged the coach of the Spurs because he's a good sport. And then he went over and hugged his dad.

And you love a daddy story, Jackie. Why isn't this moving you? My father is dead, MJ. Amber's father's dead, all right? Oh, you're telling, oh, Daddy balls. Daddy balls did it? Daddy balls didn't do it. Wait for baby balls.

Daddy's son relationship. Everyone's happy for the daddy and the son. And now he has his own son. No, we're happy. He's married to a therapist. Okay. Oh, God. No, we're happy for the daddy.

I'm happy for the son. I'm really, and I don't want to burst your nix bubble because no one likes that. You got to be happy about something. I'm happy. We have with very few things to be happy about these days. And if basketball is one of them, then I say, call it. So be it. Go bless it.

I say it right back at you. So I guess I'll stop continuing going through the stalkers. All right, I'll leave the stockers there. Leave me with that short story. It's a short story. Did you read it in school? What do you read in just disturbing short stories? It's like a no sleep story on Reddit.

Yeah. And I was specifically remember on, I think it was like on cinema. It was like, or, or, or HBO that they were playing these short films. Like, I saw, I watched it. Like, I know, I knew it was based on a short story afterwards, but it's like an urban legend. It's an urban legend that someone made a short story based, like short film based on. And I watched it too young. And I've thought about it ever since.

God. Humans can lick too. Humans can look too. Well, these, these soccer stories make me feel like, the creepiest thing. The thing I would never want to be is like the creepy lady. And there's this guy in my gym who I find very attractive. And I would, I stare. When I see an attractive man, I just stare at.

Hell yeah. Do you bark a little bit? Women can bark too. So I just stare at women can bark too. And so he would always just kind of look down and look away. And then one day he brings in his girlfriend who's this very lovely woman. And I was like, oh, fuck. And then so he sees me and then just like stares at me in a certain way and like nods.

of just kind of like, see, I have a, like, it's kind of like this stop looking at me. I have a girlfriend. Oh, oh, it was the stop. It wasn't like a we see you across the bar. Yeah. No, no, it was like, like stop looking at me. And I was like, oh, I'm the creepy lady. Oh, no.

Yeah. So ever since then, I'm just, I'm not staring at anybody. I'm out of the way. We've all had a night where we think we're flirting with somebody. And at the end of the night, they mentioned their girlfriend. And then you're like, I thought you were flirting with me. And then you realized they were not flirting with you. were just being nice. Oh my god. I was in the green room at Phoenix and they had a very

attractive man coming in and like with the comics they just come and ask you do you need anything to drink? Do you want anything to eat? How are you doing? Your time's almost coming up. And he was so hot. I'm like, is he flirting with me? But you don't think he was? No. Oh no. Why didn't he was just doing his job? Maybe he was just doing his job. And like is this what a guy feels like at Hooters? He's like she's into me. Yeah. He's giving me the red light. Green light. It's like, no, they just want your order. Like, yeah, yeah.

It is, honestly, I've been rewatching the good place and the amount of times Kristen Bell talks about how attractive she is. She's like, I know that I'm really hot, but, and she like peppers it into things that she says all the time. And I think that it's good. You should go around thinking that everyone's flirting with you. You know, hold your head up high, Amber. You're a beautiful woman.

Maybe he was flirting with you. Maybe he was just too scared of how powerful you are. Oh, the guy at Phoenix or the guy at the gem. I was like, oh, I felt bad. I was like, I'm creepy. Because he just kind of, it was that. That, like, don't. Don't.

Don't ever look at me again. And then I haven't seen him since. Give me the look. I'm going to take a picture of it. We're going to post it for, give me the look. Yeah, again, I just, I do relate to this because we all, we've all been there. We're like, are you making eyes at me? Oh, the eyes are saying, go away.

Okay. Go away. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. All right. Okay, yeah, fair enough.

Sorry. Yep, got it. But speaking of eyes, Jackie, did I hear you say your list is over? Yes. Oh, well, that's good news because I think I'm going wide. Items. Ah, we can't see them. Okay, buckle up, Amber.

This involves two celebrities. The male is younger, but a far bigger star. The gal has had a longer Hollywood career, but never quite made it to the A list. They recently bonded over shared grief and did the unthinkable. They wound up in bed. Therein lies the problem. You see, our guy... It's like spiking on you.

Yeah, shared grief. You see, our guy was filled with regret since he's been seeing someone. But our gal found the fling to be exactly what the doctor ordered and wants another romp. Our guy made it clear that it was a one-time thing. But nonetheless, our gal is relentlessly pursuing him. She realizes a public romance with him would look horrible for both of them. So she's suggesting they just enjoy a friend with me. benefit situation. He's told her no, but now she's threatening him that if he doesn't

cooperate, she's going to tell his girlfriend about their rendezvous. What? Whoa. Yeah. Is it ping pong and goop? Speaking of being the creepy lady. Please, is it Bing Bong and Goop? Is it Bing Bong and Goop? It's not Bing Bong and Goop, but that would be fun. Although, okay, let me see. It's not Bing Bong and Goop, but one of the people in this situation is related to somebody in the in the shamalama ping pong. Is it Jacob Alluret? It is Jacob Allerty. Sorry, excuse me. Jacob Allure is our child mannequin that we have in the office that we scare each other with.

And his name is Jacob Alorday. And Jacob Alordi is the actor. Who's Jacob Allerty sounds very familiar. Euphoria. The big guy in Euphoria. He was also in Frankenstein. Oh, he was quite a handsome man. So he's saying somebody.

Who's the older woman? He's seen Kendall Jenner. He is seeing Kendall Jenner, which is so gross. Big Bonner killer. But he's... How old is Kendall Jenner? 20s. She's...

She appears. Yeah, they are... Wait. Yeah, she's not that much older than him. No, no, no. I thought it was going to be like a 40-year-old woman. No, no, no. Okay.

Kendall Jenner is 30. Okay, but let's get... Don't get it twisted. I know, I just want to find out how old Jacob Allorty is. Jacob Allorty is 28. Just so weird. But that's not the woman that MJ is talking about. Correct.

So Jacob, because IRL, Jacob Lorty is dating Kendall Jenner. But he had a trist. Might be he's having a foolabouts. Yeah, he had an older woman. With an older woman. Okay. Now, I am going to say that this woman's name to me was not a household name. And then I looked her up and I realized she's been in everything.

So I am assuming that you, especially Jackie, might know who she is. Okay, so who does Jacob Allorty have a grief person? Who does he know who just died? And who's a hot old lady who also knows that guy who just died, that the grief might bring them together. Were you about to call him a grief person? I feel like he's the grief person. Two grief people got together and had grief sex.

Okay. Okay, grieve sex. The person who, Diane Keaton? No. I don't know. Man, if Jacob Allorty was banging Diane Keaton, that is a tape I would watch. Or begging out of grief for the loss of Diane Keaton.

By Diane Keaton, yeah, of course. I need to be sated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, Jacob Allorty co-starred something with this person who died. And the lady he slept with was married to the person who died. Oh. So there was a guy. There was a guy that died in euphoria.

Yes. Is that one? It is that one. Okay. And who is his wife? Oh, wait. Eric Dane? Eric Dane is the dead person whose grief brought Jacob Allorty.

And Eric Dane's Eric Dane married to. X, they had been separated but never officially divorced. She was in Jawbreaker. She was an urban legend. She was in Scream 2. She was in Dead Like Me. Oh, oh, man. Boing, Boing, Boing, Boing, Boing, Boing, Rebecca Gay-Haw!

There you go! Boing, Boing, Boing. Can I see a Pitch River? Oh, yeah. Rebecca McGiard is. She's hot. She's real hot. How old is she?

She is 54. And he's 28, we said. So that's, you know, good for head. You know what? Good for both of them. We have a grief bang, you know? And it's fine. I don't know.

Look at how hot this bitch is. Wow. Yeah, she's hot. Maybe it's because I despise the Kardashian family, but I say, I mean, I'm not going to endorse cheating or am I because I just want him to I like Jacob Lordy and I don't want it to be with Kendall General but it was like Rebecca Gayard was his ex though is what they are like they were separated for two years but never divorced then I'm okay then I'm fine with it because I was about to say like I feel

bad because of what Eric Dane was going through like if it was like during all that like it's like but no they were broken up before his you know decline and so so that's not the same wife that he had that he went through like the sickness with, right? Yes, correct. And I also don't think, yeah, I also don't think that this, I think that this was after, after Eric Dane died, according to the blind is when Jacob Allerty and Rebecca Gayhart hooked up. Because grief brought them together.

Whoa. Whoa. That is recent. Now she's like, let's be friends with benefits. And he's like, don't mess up my relationship with Kendall Jenner. And I think that's where I'm rooting for Rebecca Gayhart, because I do want to mess up his relationship with Kendall Jenner. Yeah, they should be together.

Yeah, that's a hot couple. That's a hot couple, right? I am, I have to ask, okay, no, they filed for divorce in 2018. Oh, and requested a dismissal in March of 2025. I was just like, you know, on the overall, like the facttoids of celebrities off to the side when you look up a celebrity, and it said that he was married to her up until 2026. And I was like, are they saying then that like, it's his ex-wife because he died, but I was like, no, actually ex-wife.

Actually, they were separated. But, yeah, her kid, you know, not to, obviously this is their death of Eric Dayan is devastating. And she's got her kids. Oh, they share children. Yeah. I mean, no, it's, I'm not saying it's not. No, it's, yeah. But so if you're going to have a fuck about with Jacob Allorty, I say, again, God bless it.

Okay, line number two. This is a, this is just one of the most crazily written blinds I've ever seen. And so I just needed to bring it in. This is an out-of-pocket line. The cursed production. This is one of the most cursed productions, yet it almost never makes it to the list of cursed productions. This is one where one cast member became a thief, another cast member became a killer, another cast member became a pervert. And then there's an aside, okay, he probably wasn't then, but he probably already was, but people didn't know that he was taking pictures of naked children.

Okay, so that's the perfect. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Another cast member was harassed by ghosts and ultimately murdered by them. What? Whoa. I said, telling you this blood. And still another cast member was harassed by her former on-screen son for junk money and mommy milk. I'm sorry.

Okay, so I'm going to make you guess. Munchy Money and Mommy milk. It's like squeeze it in this cup and I want to sip it. Like I make a cocktail out of it. I cannot explain the existence of this blind, but I am going to make you guys, I'm not going to make you guys all seven people because I don't think that you'll know everybody's name. But does anybody have an idea for the movie? The best two hints are one of the cast members became a thief and another became a killer. I have no idea.

Is it scary movie, the new one? This is not a new movie. This is a movie that came out quite a long time ago when we were young. The cast member who became a thief, unfortunately, it became a thing that totally defined her career. Even though... Edward... Edward Cisareans? Winona Ryder.

And another cast member became a killer. Oh, I-e-e-e-e-e-i-i. Carlos from Desperate Housewives? No. Who is associated with Spanish who became a killer, Jackie? Oh, Alec Baldwin.

Yes. So what movie were Winona Wider and Alec Baldwin in together? Beetlejuice! Cursed production, allegedly. Whoa! Wait, who would be it? killed by ghosts. Okay, so killed by ghosts was Glenn Shaddix. I looked this up and I don't know why

the blind says he was killed by ghost. He died in his apartment. He fell and hit his head in the kitchen. Who was the person that took pictures of kids? Okay, the person who took pictures of kids. Oh, no. Yeah, I mean, the big one. The guy. Jeffrey Jones. The, the, he was, oh, you know him. He was in stay tuned. he was in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Hurt for the Red October. Yes. Oh, he, oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And Deadwood, speaking of Deadwood. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. Well, that's a shame because he does have that creepy look, but I guess it's because it is. And it's because he is. He certainly is, 100%. Did the Beetleju's character himself do anything out of pocket?

Michael Keaton? Michael Keaton? No. No, he's not listed. He seems like a lovely person in real life. And it's also where Catherine O'Hara met her husband, she met him on set. I know, I love that.

So I don't think this, I think that this blind is insane. But just obviously the cast member who was harassed by her former on-screen son for junk money, junk money and mommy milk is Catherine O'Hara and McCauley Calkin. Junkin. Based on everything we saw when McCauley Culkin got his star and Catherine O'Hare was there, they looked like they were fine and they had a great relationship. So I don't understand the junk money mommy milk part for several reasons. And they did have him. Deadwood was after all of it. They put him in Deadwood after.

That's wild. Just let you know how, how, like, we keep saying, like, things haven't changed that much. And I know that it is hard to outright cancel someone, but it is crazy that he was put in Deadwood after. Yeah. That's, that's, this is like that article you sent that, that very good interview with Seth Rogan, where he was like, I do not work with James Franco anymore. I will not. I saw that. Right. And I am, I already love. Seth Rogan and this just makes me like tripled. I love every interview I see with him. I love how he talks about his marriage. I like how he talks about his life. I like how he talks about his creative process. And I also like that he's like no. Nope. Essentially like maybe everybody else hasn't canceled him but I'm not fucking working with him ever again. Right. Because wasn't it like five women who worked at his acting studio? It's ridiculous. Yeah. That's because like one is still bad, but like five. Yeah. That's like he. There's probably more. Okay. For the last one, would you guys like a blind about someone we like or a blind about someone we don't like?

Don't like. Don't like. Okay. This celebrity slash model slash host slash drinker that everyone loves to hate and her husband are having huge problems right now. Alec Baldwin and is hilarious? No. They are a fame. They're famous for being a couple.

I don't know if you hate. Kelly and Mark. No. That would be good. Amber, I don't know if you hate the wife, but I know that Jackie hates the wife. She's like kind of famous for being kind of funny, but like she's not that funny. She's quirky. She's sassy. She's married. And they're both famous? They're both very famous. For different reasons. And I'm annoyed by her. You're very annoyed by her. We haven't even talked about her in a while. She She fell from, she was like the it, funny, quirky hot girl married to

Janie McCarthy? No. How else do I give hints with that? Jenny McCarthy. Did she married to Donnie Wahlberg still? Is that still a thing? You know, I don't know. I haven't thought about Jenny McCarthy in a very long time, except for every time people talk

about vaccines. Yeah. Okay. How do I give this away? How do I not give this away? She's not. She isn't. Oh, no, she is with Donnie Walberg.

The husband is like a very well-rekey girl. respected in his field, which is also entertainment, but not the same field as her. Everybody kind of likes the husband and everyone is just like, oh, this wife, we get it. You're quirky. Is this key and peel? No, although that's another couple where everything hates the wife. And the guy is an actor? Oh, you said he's in the business, but not in the same way.

And it's not, it's not Megan Markle. It's not Megan Markle. But I would put her in the same category of like people hate this wife for sometimes legitimate reasons and sometimes illegitimate reasons. Okay. She recently, she posts too many pictures of herself and her kids on her Instagram. He is just really beloved. His kids look exactly like him.

They have four of them. She, how do I do this without giving it away? You might just have to give it away, babe. I don't know. I don't know. What have they been in? Like, what other stuff? Like, what has she been in?

I wonder if people are screaming in their cars or if nobody knows who I'm talking about. What has she been in? I don't know. She's just famous for being fun. Oh, she's famous for being fun. I think she actually has been in things. But she's like an influencer maybe? Kind of.

She's just, yeah, she's kind of just famous for being fun. And how can I? He was in Jesus Christ Superstar Live. I don't even know enough of his songs to sing them. He's a singer. Does that help? He's a singer and she's a funny lady and everyone used to like her. Oh, Chrissy Teigen and fucking John Legend.

She also has a weird thing with kids too. She keeps like making comments about like, oh, a naked child, I get so riled up. And I'm like, yikes. What? She fell from grace. She was for a while. everyone was like, are you hot and funny? And then she kept talking and everyone was like, you are weird.

So yes, they apparently are having big marriage problems right now, allegedly. Whoa. And I just, like what? It doesn't say. It doesn't say problems. Chrissy Teigen, you know, I think she, I actually feel a little bit bad for her because she was so, had such a, like, what's from being like, she kind of had like a J-law experience where everyone was like, you're really hot and funny. And then everyone was like, we're over it. We hate you.

We hate this. And I think that with J-Law, it was like less justified. I think that Chrissy Teagan actually did do like several weird things. She was bullied. She bullied teenagers. She did bully teenagers. You're right. It's so hard to remember all the cancelable things that people have done.

As she as she was like someone that was like and not like that long ago and was it was a lot of cyberbullying and like really like genuinely like pushing people to like. She told her to take her own life. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. I could not remember. There's this.

I was just listening to the podcast, Diabolical Lies, which was recommended by a bunch of listeners. Thank you. Because one of the authors wrote yesterday year, which I also just read. But they were talking on that show recently about this concept of getting womaned, which was penned by a feminist scholar that I'm going to try to look up right now so I can give them credit. But basically the idea is like what a woman is famous, there's an arc. Sorry. Was it the feminist scholar Tits McGee?

Yeah. Yeah. But those bonkeys are bonkies. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. That's inappropriate, Jackie. Rain Fisher-Quann is the person who described this phenomenon. But basically the idea, it's like the idea, I would say Taylor Swift is a great example

where it's like, we love this woman. We love this woman. She's so great. She's so great. And then they reach a point of fame where it's like, actually, I think this woman sucks. And then it becomes this kind of like, oh, she thinks she's so great. You know, like, there's a, rain does a much better job of explaining this idea.

But, you know, once you see this phenomenon of getting woman, you're like, oh, that does happen to famous women all the time. And I was thinking, did Christy Teigen get womaned? But no, she got canceled because she told a teenager to take her life. That is, that is good. It made weird sexual remarks about children. Like, that's kind of crazy. Yeah. She also is another one of those that I feel like it does seem, I stopped following her a long time ago, but like, like, in the hilarious.

camp where like so much of her kids and I do feel like it gets to a point like if you have that level of fame that it's just you know it's but I guess maybe if you have that level of fame it doesn't matter because like everyone sees the kids anyway I don't know but she posted pictures of them in the bath recently that was the last time we talked about yeah yeah yeah in the in like 20-20-ish 25 yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so we know not to put you your kids online. Yes. Bad people are out there.

It was after, and she should know this. It was after the cultural shift of don't put your kids online. And she put pictures like to, and one of the kids is like eight, you know, and she kind of then, and everyone was like,

maybe you shouldn't put pictures of your eight-year-old in the bath, and then she doubled down. And it was a, yeah. So, but thank you. I had forgotten why she was initially canceled. And it is for a good reason.

And now I can see again. And boy, can I see clearly because. She is a bad celebrity and she might get divorced from John Legend. Well, man, I feel like that would be like really bad for any career that she had left because it does seem that like his goodwill or at least according to the internet. Like his goodwill is what kept her from being completely banished. It's just because people love John Legend so much. I saw him live.

Yeah. Oh, did you? I saw him live. It was like the most top five most phenomenal concerts I've ever seen. I've heard he's. phenomenal performer. And it's just him on a piano. Like, there's no crazy lights.

There's no crazy tech budget. He's just on a piano. That's it. I'm like, oh, this is why you are like a famous entertainer. It's because you deserve it. You deserve every penny you get. Hell yeah. That's awesome.

How did you go to see a judge? You were just like. A hinge date invited me. And he was like an older, more established gentleman. I think he thought of me because I remember like, he was like, there's free wine. And I was in my, you know. I mean. You know me.

Yeah, it'll get me anyway, maybe. And so I don't think I was classy at the John Legend concert afterwards. I went to the John Legend concert for the free wine. I didn't turn to be one of the best shows I've ever seen in my life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's so funny. I don't think I was classy enough of a lady. And then my roommate was having a party, and I was like, oh, he's driving me to my house.

He's like, oh, my roommate's having a house party. And he was like, okay. Okay. He's like, I'm 54 years old. Yeah, yeah. He's not going at any roommate house party. Yeah. I'm going to go home and listen to John Legend in my lovely home. Actually, in my home that I own with no roommates.

Although, isn't that better? Because if the 54-year-old was like, yeah, oh, great, I'm going to watch your tits go up over your faces. You a kegstand. Like, I am happy he didn't respond with that. No, he was too classy for me. Yeah. Okay. All right. Then that's okay. It's good to acknowledge. I don't think that he was too classy for you. I think that he was just a little stuffy for you because you are a classy woman, Amber. Thank you. You're a very classy woman. Thank you. We're just different eras of our lives. Yeah. Yes.

I'm not in the mood to like go home and have a scotch on a highball and they just kind of stare. Listen to John Legend. Do you listen to John Legend? Read the encyclopedia or whatever they do. I'm not doing that. Hell yeah. Draw the line, Amber. I love this.

Well, man, before we draw the line to the end of this episode, we've got Jackie Snackys. Yes. I've been a snacky girl. Snacky. I've been a snacky girl, snacky. I've been a snacky girl snacky. I've been a snacky, snacky, snacky. Is somebody gonna eat those chips?

Is somebody gonna dip those dips? Is somebody gonna try those candies? I got seminar. They say I'm a snack lead. Okay, so, you know, we're, well, some people were celebrating the 250th birthday of the, you know who's definitely celebrating it? Dorito! Patriotic Doritos

Patriotic Doritos I got to take a picture of these patriotic ass Doritos because this flavor for the 250th years of America it is and I don't know why it is ultimate garlic palm It sounds delicious It does sound delicious

It is surprising as a You know as someone last week Kara and I did and Amber joined us Check out the Who's the bitch-a-thon over on YouTube.com slash at Who's the B? Amber joined us and we had an absolutely fabulous time. But I will, I, I'm nervous about this because sometimes a garlic palm, like, while I love it on a wing, is it going to be too much on a chip? I almost. I don't think so. I was going to say almost certainly, but I'm just, I feel almost certainly. I'm surprised that it's,

I really feel like the, if you have to choose one flavor of America that could go on a Dorito, it would be ranch, but I guess they already have that. The reason why I was bringing up the bitchathon is because we were drinking buzzballs put out World Cup flavor, but also patriotic flavors for a buzzball. And I don't have them with me. I'm sorry, Amber, and it's for the best. Yeah. Because there's one that is called flags and freedom.

And it is one of the most disgusting, tasting things I've ever had. What is it's a taste like? It was, it's supposed to be like an orange. wine liqueque but it tasted like they went like at 9-11 and took a bunch of the ashes and put it inside of the flags and freedom. I mean they might.

I think that I could taste bones and I could taste steel being melted. And it was it's so disgusting and I was like honestly for right now I kind of loved that something that patriotic was that disgusting. We deserve. The Europeans are over in America

and they're just like, oh, I love chilies. Oh, my God, with all the World Cup, have you been seeing all the World Cup stuff? Because it's here and it's in random places in the United States and the amount of content of people being like, I never knew Ranch existed. And like they're in the middle of nowhere in America. Just like, it was scary enough when MJ and I were on tour in the middle of America driving around. And I love how many people are truly finding how wonderful America. can be. America can be quite lovely. It made me more, it made me patriotic saying people come here and be like,

oh, there's air conditioning. Your water runs. You don't have to go to an outhouse. The people, there was also some great videos of the people who were in New York for the MetLife game that was also the Saturday of the Knicks game. So then they come back from the World Cup game to like the absolute carnage of a Knicks win. And there's like, there's like videos of somebody on the subway being like, hey everybody, this guy's here visiting from another country. Let's give them a big welcome. And everyone's just like, yeah, you know, because everyone is just partying. And Americans are friendly, too.

We smile a lot. Yes, sometimes. Yes. Sometimes. All right. Okay, it's got a strong flavor on her. You get up in there. And now I am a Dorito ass Bianch.

Here, you hold that up for me so I can take a picture, you baby. It smells sweet. All the Doritos I've ever tried have been good. So I said it probably won't be good, but I'm wrong. I think it'll be good. I bet it's going to be good. I think it'll be good. Garlic parma, because you're right, it is a wing flavor, which is American.

We're crunching. What do we think? It's kind of musky at the end. I like it. Musky. It's different. I love it. Really?

You know? It's deeper. It's deeper flavor. It is. It's so weird. I know that that sounds crazy, MJ. But as you were eating the chip, I was getting a bunch of dough. different flavors. You get the garlic. You get the parm. But it has like the bite of like a nutty parm on it. Wow. Weird. Nuddy parm. Nutty parm. These are pretty, like it's, it's always

difficult for me to eat something like a Dorito that has like a really strong flavor early in the morning because, you know, I'm still, I'm drinking coffee as we do this. You know what I mean? And so I'm trying to like separate my coffee mouth from chip mouth. Yeah. Separate the art from the artist. Yes. Thank you. I got to separate it out and I think I love these. Wow. Doritos just knows what they're doing.

Again, I don't think I've ever had a bad Dorito. I just had so many. I'm going to hold the bag so they can. Hold them. And okay, so are there other patriotic Doritos or is this our, this is our main meal? That's it. That's the that is the 250th chip that we've ever

eaten here on Jackie's Snackies. It's not, it's not the 250th. USA! USA! I want to fight on the lawn! Get me on the lawn! Right, right.

Oh, my God. Get me on the lawn. Oh, God, with the eagle where the person came out and they're like, they're like, the whole, everything from the, oh,

sorry. Something new, it might blow my mind. Hello, spicy, hello, crunch. J.M. Mama, minimum. Hello, Dill. You're my wild.

It's MJ's, ma, ma, ma, ma, ma. Minute Munch, Minut Munch, Minut Munch, Minut Munch. All right, well, I'm here with MJ's Minut Munchies to bring the international flavors with the Ruffles Koso. Ooh, those sound delicious. I don't think these are new. I don't know for sure if they're new. I see them everywhere. Can we see the queso?

But, M.J., can you give me a smile? I know, because I was blinking in the last one you took. I'm smiling. Thank you. So I see these everywhere. They look to me just like the other ruffles that I love, which are the sour cream and cheddar ones. They look like the same flavor.

But these are queso. So let's see what makes them different. Casar, sarah, sara. Whatever we chip, we chip. Are they sweet chips or are they only salty? They're like, is there like a cinnamon sugar chip? Oh, yes. Yeah, they're especially like tortilla.

like chips and stuff like like like a churro flavor and stuff like that like but you're more my savory gal right i'm a savory gal i i seem to remember that which is why i brought in the chips for you today well okay i'm going to say this i just googled is ruffles queso the same as ruffles cheddar and sour cream and what i'm learning is no they are two distinct flavors but they taste very similar to the ruffles are like a rica in it like is it paprika i could not tell you the difference between this and the cheddar and sour cream. Whoa. So it's not given any kind of like,

like, casso. Like we're not getting, we're not getting any kind of like a, thick rich. Yeah, like a, like any kind of like, like, Mexican flavor, like any kind of like spices in there. I don't think, I love,

I love it like a jarred caseo. I love any form of queso. So do you think it's more about like the jarred casso than like an actual like, like a queso or like a queso. I mean, Caso Fundido is more like the baked cheat, right? Yeah.

I think it is more like the jarred queso, but if you blindfolded me and gave me one bag of the ruffles' keso and one of the ruffles cheddar and sour cream, I don't know if I would be able to tell the difference. You know what probably happened? The factory, somebody dumped some extra paprika in there and they're like, oh, fuck, make just a different brand. Canes-o? Are you into it, though? Like, is this the kind of, are, like, would you huff back this whole bag because it's so similar to the cheddar and sour cream? Very. The cheddar and sour cream ruffles are one of my favorite chips. If there's, like, you know how you get those 20. bag boxes of industrial chips. If there's a ruffles... I'm a Costco, yeah. I go to Costco, MJ.

If there's a ruffles and sour cream in there, I'm getting it. And then I know that I can't talk to anyone for the rest of the day because it does sting. It lingers in there. It lingers on the tongue. But yeah, so I love this. I love the ruffles case. So I highly recommend.

I just can't quite tell what makes it different than the other famous ruffles. But whatever, I got no problem. Got no problem. I could eat a whole can a case out. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I love you know. I'm just like I need a moment. You know, I'm at the party just like not listening to people. It's like, me and the queso. I love a homemade casso. I love a casso from a jar. I love it from a baseball game. Like that just, you know, I love it. I love it. I love it. I mean, honestly, we're talking about even hosting just earlier. I always, I always commend Natalie specifically because Natalie is not a big cook. She doesn't like to make things. But she is amazing at bringing breads and spreads. And can I just throw it out there for anyone that's like, I don't like to cook. I never know what to bring.

the answer is breads and spreads. Everybody, you can get like some cheeses. You can get some, you know, like anything that incorporates in a bread and spread. And then it's just, it's easy. I want to make that olive bread. She had this bread with like olives baked in it. And I'm like, I got to do that right. I love olive bread.

Yeah. Yeah, for her breads and spreads. That's good. That's good. Because, again, I've gotten very bad at, like, hosting and also bad at bringing things to a party. If I'm coming to the party, and especially if I'm bringing my kids, don't. I'm so sorry. I'm going to be a bad guest. I have barely made it. Okay. So, but I think that now it's time for me to get my life back together and just have like a plan. Like we're going to someone's

house. I'll have a thing that I bring every time, you know, and so maybe it's going to be breads and spreads. Breads and spreads. Everybody is always happy with breads and spreads. And then you don't have to worry even about like meat eaters or stuff. Obviously you got to worry about like the glutees and the dairies. But you know, you ask ahead. But anyway, just throw it out there for people. It's an easy hosting thing. Oh my God, Amber, someday we're going to write our own, like, Ina Garten book of hosting.

You know, July 3rd, I'm going to have a birthday party at my house. You're welcome to come, MJ, but I know you're all the way in New York. And I want to do, oh, yeah, we talked about this earlier in the show. But you didn't say what you wanted to do. Yeah, I have like a luau theme. Louisle theme. So if you have any tips or if you want to come over a little bit early and help me set up. I love this.

Yes, Ben. We'll make a punch. We'll do some kind of shit. And also, if you've ever done a luow and you're like, I did this, this was a great idea. Hit us up. Let us know about it. And you can find us so many different places because I think this is the end of our show. I think it is the end.

I think it is. Amber, where can we find you to give you luau tips? Amber Smelson on Instagram. And Amber Smelson on Patreon, $1 is on my stand-up clips on there. And I'm thinking I might do my cooking show again. Whoa. And then put it on there for the $5 tier. I love that.

I'm a little scared to put it up on Instagram proper. So I think I'm just going to do it just for the $5. Patreon tier. I love that. Where can we get your Patreon? Just Amber Smelson on Patreon. Amber Smelson on Patreon. Okay, great.

Definitely check that out. Please, please, please. And thank you so much, Amber, for joining us today. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. You can follow me on Instagram at Jack That Worm. And definitely get in your luau tips page 7 podcast at gwl.com. Maybe, I don't know, because I really just. you love, you know, let's get, oh, dude, Costco business, I just found out there's a place

called Costco business and you can get large format meet. Amber, let's get a whole pig. You can get it at Costco business. Oh, I'm trying to think how we'd set it up, but we could figure it out. Dude, in the bug and driveway, dude. Oh, no. All right, I'm glad that we figured this out. Thank you so much, everyone, for your help.

A whole pig from Costco? Yeah, dude. Costco. business, dude. They're like, you can get 20 pounds of animal crackers and one whole pit. Yeah. That's so funny.

Large format meets as well. Like I said, my name is Jackie Zbrowski. Come hang out with us over on our Patreon. I will say MJ and I have a bunch of stuff over on our Patreon. Patreon. Patreon.com slash page seven podcasts. And again, we now have the collections there for you. And I just love how many people are finding Twilight again through our Patreon when I

found it in 2020. So go back, listen to all that. All of it is under the $5 tier. So you can listen to eight years of content for $5 a month. So get on it, y'all. MJ? We love you guys. We love your emails.

Like Jackie said, page 7podcast at gmail.com. We are so thankful to all of you guys in the community. You are wonderful. And most of all, Amber, we love you. Thank you for coming on page 7. Thank you. You're just the best, Amber. I love you to death.

I love both y'all. I always feel so much better doing the show. Thank you. It's so funny. You and Sina always to say the same thing where it's like, it's nice to have a show where I know you have Brighter Side, but it's like Spun and, you know, the Forward Report really kind of brings you down after a while. So I'm so happy that we get to have you on here.

But also obviously, check out Brighter Side. Check out Spun. Check out Amber Smelson. We love you so much. And everybody, have a beautiful week. And we'll be back tomorrow with Second Helpings. if you want to hear me yell about Disclosure Day. Bye, everybody.

Bye. This show is made possible by listeners like you. Thanks to our ad sponsors, you can support our shows by supporting them. For more shows like the one you just listened to, go to lastpodcastnetwork.com.