Page 7 - Too Meaty w/Holden McNeely

Episode Date: July 2, 2026

This week on Page 7, MJ and Jackie are joined by Holden McNeely of NOM to goss' 'bout complicated feelings about the 4th of July, Noah Kahan, among others, is asking once again for people to stop wearing (and shitting in) diapers at concerts, Jackie is thinkin' 'bout seein' the new Olivia MILDE movie, and MJ reports back the findings of their Milde Hole investigation! Holden brings up his favorite 2007 documentary and website, Jackie has been rockin' the new Olivia Rodrigo album, and MJ talks about giving their kids a crash course on the Oliva and Sabrina feud. A List filled with SHOCKING FACTS ABOUT OLD HOLLYWOOD STARS, The Blindz, then a double chip Jackies Snackies @1:07:24, followed by a meat powder coated MJ's Minute Munchies @1:16:16 ending @1:22:03, plus even more on this week's Page 7!   Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Oh, I'll start the song. Rolling, rolling, rolling, rolling. What? Rolling, rolling, rolling. Right here on page seven. Welcome to page seven, everybody. I did let him start it. Yeah, what song were you going to do?

I was going to, honestly, it was because of our Y2K Jack in last week. And I saw our friend Uncanny Rachel had posted. We sang Everclear, but we didn't sing this song. So I was going to start with, Father of Mine, tell me where have you been. You know, I just closed my. eyes. My whole world, there's a bit. And so I thought that that actually went hand in hand with how

Holden was talking about right before we started recording, leaving his family. And I thought this really works out well. Well, my big bike boots in my old... I know, it's a different song, but I wanted to sing that one too. I know. Santa Monica. Because me, Jeff, and Holden sang Everclear Santa Monica karaoke

on Jackin on Friday. Wow. A whole family affair. Yeah, we can live beside the ocean. It was awesome, dude. Y2K Jackin went so well. It was so much fun. But yeah, I was just talking about how, you know, this is like a very standard situation between my wife and I where she had a migraine for a few days. And you threatened to leave. Yeah, I threatened to leave. And you were like, I got to be out the door. She does this thing where she'll very just plainly like nothing, like it's nothing. She was just like, yeah,

I probably need to go to get this checked out, the doctor. Yeah, I had a friend who had a headache for multiple days. She thought it was caffeine withdrawals. Turns out it was his brain tumor and she died. And then she just like went to the kitchen to do dishes. I do love this though. Okay, yeah, sure. I guess you're dying and you're dead now. I love the idea that she has some friend that you don't know about that had a tumor that she died. That you have never heard a story.

It has nothing to do. There's no way, Lexi saw this online. Like there's no way that this was just maybe a meme. Or like a manifestation of anxiety that it could be a true story. It could be true story. I imagine it is for some. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, in my opinion, you know, she doesn't like,

because she's very medical ailmenty, and I'm all, like, it's all mental. You know what I mean? Especially if you blow your brains out. Good, good, good, good. Right here, page 7, you can hit him up. Holden McNeeley at gmail.com. Don't send your emails this way,

send him right on over to him. Yeah, synonym to me. With the title, the subject line, Big suck. Yeah, big suck. I do want to throw it out there for anyone that wants to come hang with us on Friday for Jack. And Holden and I are trying to have our own 250th birthday party for America. Let's take the power back.

We're going to have our own celebration. It'll be very easy to have more people in chat for that than the people that are showing up for the one in D.C. So I think that like let's really show them, guys. You know, we've felt this for many years now around this time of year. with our live streams, right? Like, there's this really tricky. Fourth of July is, like, tricky now. It's, like, so annoying.

It used to be such a pure celebration. Just kidding. It used to be so simple. Like, like, really. I don't know. I don't know. Any issues with America before. It's issues with it.

Look, there were issues with, I will say this, though. You guys remember, but we didn't, like, bring it up as like a... Yeah, because we were young and drunk and weren't thinking about any kind of, like, ramifications or history. Sure. Please. I would like, maybe the hippiest of the hippies,

but I'm pretty sure before. Wait, you are the hippiest of the hippies? No, I'm saying maybe the hippies were like thumbed their nose and fourth of July, but I have a very strong memory of very little like, fuck this day, this day sucks like pre-2016. No, I mean, I love hot dogs.

Obviously, actually, weirdly enough that you even say that, Holden, because I was watching footage from 50 years ago at the 200th birthday that was, and it was like packed everybody. all like free love. Who were the performers?

I mean, I don't think that they're... I didn't look that far into it. I just looked at it and did look like a big fun party. Yeah, I mean, I think in general, like, have issues with the country. But back in the day, I was like, yeah, we have issues, but we celebrate that too. And I think that's what our celebration will be is as well this Friday. Let's like, let's celebrate... Yeah, we have a couple of issues out there, guys.

Well, let's celebrate the fight. Let's celebrate. Let's watch a bunch of, like, Rage Against the Machine music videos. as well. You know what I mean? Let's celebrate the fact that it is a part of this country is fighting back, you know? Also, any sexy Bruce

Springsteen videos I will also accept. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, you know, yeah. But yeah, born in the USA. I mean, you know, that's like, that's why I love about that song is idiots think it's like a pro-America kind of song and it's a protest song. It kind of wraps up everything that I think is kind of

special and fun about this country. How do you feel about Fourth of July, MJ, as a bro and as like, you know, this is, it really is bro cultures day. And I even say this as the hot dog ambassador of the Southwest region, the United States, you know. It's America Max. It is tough. My inner bro who loves, you know, a barbecue is at war with my inner leftist. I will say, Holden, that I do think that some people were critical of the Fourth of July before 2016.

But I, your broader point is taken that now, like, they can't. I mean, now it's like only vanilla ice, I think, is. performing is like they you can't even get any, thank God, any famous people to be like, yeah, I'll go to this thing because obviously it's a fascist rally. And so, but, and that's, that's nice. You know, it's not nice for vanilla ice. But, but yeah, I, I, I, I think that we can celebrate, I don't know, pick, pick, the promise of what the country could be maybe something again. Pick two or three things that you can tolerate about or, or like, or love. about mom donnie mom donnie went in the pool he had the clothes on mom daddy he jumped in the pool

everyone's like did you see he's in the pool and i was like happy's in the pool absolutely i think that you can pick he's doing a lot i know he's doing a lot i know he's doing what you like what you like what you like about the country if you want to celebrate that on the fourth or if you just want to say this is a day off where we're supposed to go outside and drink and eat hot dogs that's the country i want to live it you know so that's really uh you can make it as political or not as you want. And I think we should call Tank Topps' wife beaters again. Who's with me?

Good. Wow. Wow. Wow. They're not just a lot. Adam's right. Adam's right. Adam's right. The thing is A shirt isn't a good term. I will agree with that. A shirt is not a good. We need a better word than A shirt. I know MJ, I try. I do say A shirt, but I will, but if I am trying to reference the shirt and I am not on microphone, I will, I will throw out a wife beater every once in a while

because that's what we called it for a very long time. Right, right. Call like a husband hand job or something. I referred to it as an A shirt to someone, and I kept saying like A shirt. Like, you know, it is shaped like a. Who's on first? Yeah, and it was definitely a who's on first situation.

I'm like, I have a shirt. I know. So, you know, sometimes you get all roundabout in the mouth area, you know? Yeah. But I am excited. for hot dogs, obviously. I'm excited that we're definitely going to be eaten dogs and we're all going to be wet upon this day.

Like we're all getting wet this weekend and that's kind of fun. I hope. You know what? Many wetnesses go out to everyone listening to page seven this weekend. I hope that you get the kind of wet that you want. Sure. I'm not saying I'm just saying any guy, whatever it is that you're looking for. I hope that you get it. And I also hope that Taylor Swift gets everything that the internet, I swear, as someone that looks through celebrity stuff for the show every week,

it's just every headline is suppositions about what could be maybe happening at the wedding. And I can't just tell me afterwards. I heard she installed a Halloween Horror Nights themed wedding. wedding attraction inside of Madison Square Garden. You see, then that would be awesome. If they turned MSG into a haunt, that would be sick as hell. And Travis apparently is going to play basketball. Oh, he's switching it off.

Is he going to come out at the wedding saying he's a basketball star now? Right, right, yeah. I was thinking about this in her wedding. And if she really is doing this Madison Square Garden, Fourth of July wedding, I just want to point out how extremely antisocial that is during the World Cup, during the 4th of July to like shut down like Manhattan on that day. And I realize I will be traveling via. But welcome to New York.

Yeah. We've been waiting for you. Yeah. Give me my anthem back then, MJ, if you're going to say all that about the woman. Listen, I still sing that to whoever. I have a friend visiting town now. And did I sing welcome to New York to him? Yes, I did.

Okay. I'm not taken away from her. But I will be traveling. Although MJ, remember how angry we were when Taylor Swift many years ago came out with that song and that was back when we were both real we were haters we're haters and when we're just like she's not even from here you're from fucking Connecticut or wherever the fuck she's from and it's because you hated yourselves yeah well and we've learned something today and she's still not from new york so sometimes you hate so hard though you get yourself into an illogical argument

where you're like how dare like an aspiring musician come to new york city you know and be inspired by the city yeah how dare she's that's singing about the city I love in a beautiful way. I hate it. But I will be by Madison Square Garden on Saturday, you guys. On July 4th, I am taking Jersey Transit. Oh, no. I need to remember to wear my in-Sacoccus sweater because I will be going through

Secaucus and I will be returning from New Jersey into... In Sycoccus? In Secaucus? I will be going via Secaucus from New Jersey to Manhattan getting out directly outside of Madison Square Garden on Taylor Swift's Wedding Day. I don't think you're allowed to, bro. Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm now mad at Taylor Swift because she's probably going to really fuck up my travel plans.

Because who does this in a time that people are commuting back and forth from Manhattan to New Jersey for the World Cup? Right. Oh, okay. So Taylor Swift needs to cancel all her plans for M-Jash. Oh, that's what you get. That's what you get from this. That's what you get. So sorry, we can't all be Mop Dany.

Not that if Mop Dany booked out the Maddo Central Guard to celebrating kids. He would never do that. You know, the thing is that she does get married in New York, he's probably going to do something cool and cute because he just can't help but do cool. You can't help him, but yeah. I know he's so cool and he's so cute. It really, it's, but like, do you think Mom Donnie's shitting at the concerts? Do you think Mom Donnie wraps a divey on him before he goes to hit the Ariana?

It's disturbing. It's disturbing these reports. I want to say that I can't believe we're talking about this again. weeks ago. Again. Jackie asked me, would you poop at a concert? And I was appalled by the question.

And here we are again. It's again. Again. The poop conversation, I need everyone to know. I guess it got varied to like a diarrhea level because it has not stopped. It had like really, Olivia Rodrigo brought this up a couple weeks ago. And there many, like, so now Noel Khan has come out saying Noah Khan,

Khan, Khan. Khan? Khan? Khan. Khan. Khan. Khan. Say out loud.

Khan. Khan. He was... The wrath. Which is just funny because I like... Yeah, the wrath of Noel Kahan. And he, I really like his music. I would never say, strap a dipey on me.

I can't miss 25 seconds of the song for him. And he has now come out saying like, oh, because recently someone found shit at his concert because someone just, they didn't dipey, they made on the floor. They just made on the floor! And now he has to come out with a statement, guys, please don't poop at my concerts. What world are we living in?

Let me set the stage for you then, okay? Oh, please, don't put poop all over it. Okay, you're a single or a divorcee father, right? You've got nothing to this world. Are you talking about your future recently? The tumor happened, all that. Brain tumor happened.

Oh, I think it's caffeine. It's not caffeine. Thank you. Right? You go to the park where you just stare off at the distance. Yeah. I gave you the analogy of, you know, when he throws the ball on my chest, it just falls the ground.

All you have in life is the music of Noah Cahan. That's all you have. Oh, ticket master. Let's see what it is. Oh, it's already on resale. Oh, okay. For the seat, I want to see because I need to be close to him to get his essence to fucking grieve my shit.

Yeah, man. Oh, oh, tickets are $25,000. Okay, well, I guess I have to take out four credit cards to pay for this ticket. And then you get to the, show what I'm gonna go to the bathroom and take my furious late night dump my weird 9 p.m. That's what I said. I was like who's dumping at 9 p.m.? Yeah, first of all, who's dumping at 9 p.m.? But well, maybe I'm depression eating. Maybe I'm eating a bunch of chili dogs.

Sucking on chili dogs. Suck it on hot. Yeah. I'm probably getting, I'm probably hitting four food carts on the way to the concert. You know what I mean? And then that shit saw dribbling down my legs. That's dribbling up and down into my thighs. right? But what am I going to do? Am I going to miss? Am I going to waste?

No, man. We're talking about how long it's no-cahahn even on stage is probably a thousand dollars a minute. Oh, yeah. Shit goes on. My life is over. I'm financially ruined. My wife is dead. Let me ship my fucking ass and continue to watch the show. I put a diaper on, at least.

At least. Well, it sounds like the people go into Noah Kahans' concerts are not putting and diapers on because let's paint your same picture hold that I I'm a I'm a custodial worker at the Noah Cahan arena okay and my wife has recently passed away from a braincuber. Oh, this sounds like the beginning of like a romantic comedy. Oh wow. Yeah.

It's an M. Night Shyamalan. Oh, no. What's the twist? Which one is it going to be? Yeah, what's the twist is it a beautiful romantic comedy or is an M. Night Shyamalan take it. It's a tragedy because everyone has enjoyed the concert and left and now it's my job to mop the

floor as in Noah Kahan. Hans absence, okay? And I find Holden's turd, you know, right by the front. Oh, it's big. It's larger than a normal humans. And listen, you said I diped up, but Holden, you've had a baby before. You know that the dip doesn't always contain it, right? Sometimes we have a poo-through situation. It doesn't keep it. And it bleeds through. Yeah, yeah. So I thought you meant because he had the child and I was like, yeah, it really ripped right through that penis of yours. So you had to dipey that up. Are you ready for this, though? Are you ready for this?

I'm your dead wife that's also somehow the husband who also lost his wife There's a weird Wait did the ghost is shitting? Or it's like sliding doors? Maybe remember that movie? Well, it's like that.

Actually, this is giving fairy from the Sims because I was playing the new fairy world because every time you fuck you make fairy dust and you have to go around and pick up the piles of fairy dust so that you can use it to magic other things. And I was talking about that really it is crazy that all you

you can make after you bang is a baby. I think that you should be able to make cooler things. We should be able to make magic. We should be dropping magic dust from inside of our holes. It's a video game world. Let's enjoy our fantasies. But Noah did say if you have to poop at a show, please, dear God, just go to the bathroom, LMAO.

I've pooped my pants as much as the next 29-year-old. But you guys got to understand there's a venue worker out there with a thousand yard stare after dealing with that. His wife recently passed away. His wife recently passed away. What was your wife's passing? Was it also a brain tumor? Yeah, of course it was also a brain tumor.

Right. Then they think it was like just a horse hit him in the head and they thought it was that or something. Maybe I need new glasses and then days later, you know, gone. And here I am cleaning up the make of Holden. And I do like that Noah, I'm just going to keep saying Khan. I think it's Khan. I think it's Khan. That I like that he said, I've pooped my pants as much as.

is the next 29-year-old. And a bunch of people were like, um, what? And he was like, relax. And I think that's nice because, you know, it happens. And I think that that's a nice thing for him as a celebrity to say, you know, it's not, he's not shaming people for shitting. He's just saying shit in the toilet if you can. But this is where we're at, guys.

This is a, this is where the class war begins. Having to ask people to use a toilet to shit in. that these poor people who need to see concerts for $25,000 are taking out credit cards so they can still do it. They just have to take out enough credit cards

and get the points at least, I guess. You're saying that people are doing this because ticket prices are so high, but what if they just like... I'm saying only poor people purposely ship themselves. Good, yeah. And they need to be eliminated

from the face of the earth. Good, good, good, good, yeah. That's what my body was saying. This is not rich people's activity. I get that you don't want to miss this on. Unless you're in the wire. house what did he just get did he just go there did i when i was recently on my way to the bright eyes concert he started at a it was a six o'clock concert he started at six and we got there at six

ten which meant that we were hearing the first three songs from a distance and the first two track one and track three of that album are fucking perfect songs and so we were like sprinting to get there so i understand mom donnie's new york i know mom donnie's new york and so i understand the heartbreak of being a you know hearing a song hearing your favorite song from a distance. But in this case, if you are a Noah Khan fan, shit in the bathroom, you can still hear the song, you know? It's gone. Did you see it in Forest Hills?

Yeah. Yeah, I saw Seagor Rose there. Oh, all that. That was fun. And it like drizzled a little bit in the middle of the show. I was like cry. But they didn't cancel the show like they did with MJ's. MJ was so excited. This is a once in a lifetime show. And MJ, they were, because right, Friday's was playing two albums. And he got through the first. And your favorite album was the second side of it. And they did it. My favorite album was the first. My favorite album was the first.

Thank God. So, okay, thank God. So you got to see that. And then while I was online for beer, there was an announcement, everybody immediately evacuate the stadium. Oh, my God. Isn't that horrible? It's just like, and you like, no, you don't get your money back.

And Connor Obers was like sober and everything? Oh, yeah. No, it wasn't his fault. It was because there was lightning. And then he made the most Connober's post about it ever where he was just like, I was really looking forward to this. I feel so defeated, you know? And then, of course.

It's like, it's okay, man, it's all right. Try again another time, you know. But yeah, Forest Hills is a cool venue, but what's so interesting about that venue is it's right in the middle of a very wealthy neighborhood. And it's been there for decades, but the very wealthy people don't like the noise. And so they all, I learned this that night, that the shows have to start really early and they have to start on time because of the noise complaints of the wealthy. That makes sense. You know, it's crazy, too, from my Seagor roast experience I had. We went to a friend's house earlier that day to just like eat food.

Not somebody I knew. Somebody my buddy knew. And he had a Black Lotus magic card. But really it was a tumor and then he died? And then he died. I got to hold a Black Lotus in my hands and that'll never happen again. You know how much that thing is worth? Thousands.

Am I supposed to know what a Black Lotus was? It's the ultimate magic card. People know this. Oh. He had a box. Oh. Yeah. Jugglets?

Yeah. That's a different gathering. Okay. Well, oh, different gathering. Yeah, juggler. By the way, maybe that's just why I'm unfazed besides the dead wife stuff too, which I should be more phased by that too, honestly. But, you know, I come from the lows, bro. The jugglers, we don't just shit ourselves.

We put it in our hands and we throw it at the fucking. Sling it. Stupid-ass person on stage is a sign of insult and respect. Yes. Catapulted. So I don't give a fuck about some shit. You know. Try to get someone as they're galloping away like Olivia mild tried to do because I'm giving, I'm giving MJ an opportunity because I'm going to throw it out there.

I wanted to see the new Olivia Wild movie and I was surprised by it, the invite. Apparently it's very good. I do really want to see it. And did I call her Olivia mild over the weekend and I can't believe I haven't been calling her that the entire time? Yes. But MJ, you said that you went down. like a mild hole. I would have a mild hole. Yeah, it had a mild experience, to be honest. So the quote in this, so this is Olivia, my mouth wants to say Roderigo, and it's not. It's a,

it's a worse Olivia. Mild, yeah, you can just say mild. Olivia Wilde said on Dax Shepard's podcast, which I do not appreciate how often we have to talk about Dax Shepard's podcast on here. It comes up every, it's because he has celebrities on and they say the darndest things, you know, so it's It would just annoy me too. I always think about like Chris and Bell in this situation of like, yeah, like talking casually about a someone named Dax. Yeah,

I'm meeting Dax later. Dax. You did this. Dax is good. I did this before. Last time you were here, you were like, Who names a kid?

Dax. It's so obnoxious. Oh, yeah. Dax is coming over later. We're talking about, excuse me, we're talking about Olivia right now. Because she only rides English style.

She doesn't ride Western style. This is what stuck. prematurely ejaculated at the circus last night. Well, that's so Dax of him, okay? So, Dax. This is what stuck in my craw. She, on Dax Shepard's podcast, she was talking about how Walton Gagin saved her life during a horse tragedy,

a horse catastrophe. Which I want everyone to hear this. Like, he straight up, like, saved her fucking life. It actually is a crazy. Yeah, during that they were making the Cowboys and Aliens. And she was in front on a horse. and she got thrown, and he was behind on a horse with, like, many other people on horses basically coming, and she said she falls off the horse.

She's on the ground, and she's like, oh, my God, I'm about to get trampled by Walton Goggins and all these other horse riders. But Walton Goggins, being the expert Western horse rider that he is, did, like, a re-like when you went sideways with the horse. To protect her. And then created, like, a horse barrier, a horse pile up. saved Livy Wild's life. This is a good story. But what made me upset was the line, I had a very bad horse accident, and she says, I've ridden horses my whole life. I have a lot of confidence

with writing English style. English style. I was going to break this up. And I just was like, Western style. Oh, you privilege. I'm good little English style. I know that not all horse girls are rich, but just. I'm just used to English style, and this was like Western style. And so it was just, oh! Oh! And now I make my own soap. And, like, it would be one thing if she were like a, like, if she came from, like, a ranching, fit.

Like, it's like, but I'm assuming. I'm assuming she did not. Or if I had known she'd been beaten as a child, I'd feel a little bit better about it. Would you? So what's interesting about this mild hole that I went into is that she, and again, this was really only annoying because we hear her. If she was fine, I would be like, well, this is fine. But if you are.

I'm so with you on this in Jam. You're ready to be annoyed. Somebody's saying, well, I really only know how to write English style. And so here's the thing about Olivia Wilde. She, her last, her real last name is, I believe, and I, I believe it's pronounced Coburn, but it looks like Cockburn, which is she grew up. She was born in Washington, D.C., but she summered in Ireland. And I was like, oh, is she Irish? Oh, does she have a brogue? I was like, I automatically. She should start talking with a brogue, just like Eladia. I was that I say, yeah, this is a hilarious thing. I know it was a bit of a hilaria situation. And so I was like, oh, I'm now I was, I'm going through this roller coaster as I'm reading her Wikipedia because I was like if she's Irish, maybe I like that. I love every, I'm almost automatically like Irish people. But her dad is British. He's a British journalist, born in London. And then he moved to Ireland. And her mom is an American producer on 60 minutes. And so she just like, she's British, but she just like summered in Ireland. And, and. Like, again, that's not annoying unless you're already primed to be annoyed at somebody. But, you know, just to be like, oh, I'm a child of the, like, country that colonized this country.

And then I summer in that country. And then now I'm almost dead because I only know how to ride the British way. And then I casually just bring up this like, yeah, it's the rich person casual bringing up of like, oh, well, you know, whenever I've been to the Maldives, I mean, the Maldives. You know, you're just like, what do you mean whenever you've been to the mouth? I've been, I went, I left the country like once. Yes. I also like the Maldives.

That's when you know. It's like, if I'm calling it the Maldives, right? Don't wonder if I'm traveled, okay? Oh, I mean, every time I go to Abitha, you know, it's, you thank you for saying it right. Abitha. It's like, you know, you just, it's just like you just read her Wikipedia and you're annoyed. She went to Georgetown Day School and anytime something's called a day school, you know, that you pay a lot of money to go to that school.

and, you know, she's a dual citizen of the U.S. and Ireland, and that is cool. But it just, it appears that she just grew up with quite a lot of money, which, again, is not automatically bad. She's a literal princess, too. I mean, she's a little princess? She's a little princess. What do you mean? She's a little princess? Yeah, yeah.

Oh, held the title of princess for eight years. Yes. What? Wait. After she, oh, because she married. No, no. This is just a different life. These people have different lives completely.

this is their... I can't even believe you didn't bring this up in my... So the Cockburns are... Coburns are a family of the British landed gentry. They claim dissent from the British Admiral Sir George Coburn, 10th Baronet, who ordered the burning of Washington in 1814. So yeah, she is the descendant, not just of a random British journalist,

but of like the British gentry. And I... Again, I don't need to go into the history of what Britain did to Ireland. But the idea of having dual citizenship with Ireland when you are a descendant of the British gentry and then it's just annoying. I'm just, I'm lightly, I'm mildly annoyed.

I would throw it out there that one of like the main things that, I mean, English writing and Western writing are very different. It does seem with English writing, you hold the reins with both hands so you do have much more control over the horse. So Nadi, I'm defending what she's not. Because like I can imagine if her you, to having full control over the horse and then you go to a one-handed not having full control over a horse, I imagine is probably genuinely very scary.

But it is, it's fascinating though, too, because she even admits it on the podcast that, like, I was being cocky. Like, I definitely was feeling like, I got this. I'm good. And so I imagine it is a drastic difference. But I hear that. I've been watching, it's not a good documentary, but I've watched that documentary Zoo lately.

Good Lord, what a situation there. Is this a joke? It wasn't a good enough joke for either one of us to understand if it was a joke. Just look it up. Adam got it. Oh, he got it. At some point, not anybody in this room, but if you're listening to it, have, look it up.

But anyways, yeah, I mean, I was definitely thinking about this just when it came to my own masturbation sort of approach, too. I think I'm more of, I'm actually more of a, English style. Two hands. Are you claiming that she's fucking the horses? Is that what your documentary is? No, I'm talking about the zoo.

I'm talking about the zoo joke, MJ. I'm taking it back to the zoo joke. No, it's reminding me of the documentary. It's about a horse. It seems like that you love so much the documentary that is about BCality that it seems that you are referencing. Yeah, you are suggesting that.

A man died, Jackie. It's not just about that. A man died. Okay. Spoiler alert. His name was Mr. Hands. Because his colon ruptured after having sex with the horse. Yeah.

Yeah. No, that's, and listen, I'm not saying living a wildcats of horse. At that point, the horse is having sex with you, I think. Talking about Western style, bro. Woo! And I'm glad Walton Gogg has saved her. I don't want her to die by horse trampling, you know? My dog, glad Walton Garton Gart.

And by the way, can we just highlight the fact that Adam immediately knew what I was talking about? It was like, yeah, he was doing like the raise the roof. Yeah, he's still raising the horse. He still racing the horse. He's still celebrating this horrific thing that I watched. This horrible thing I watched. We can stop talking about horses for two seconds.

I'm about to throw off. I'm about a puke. Did he call himself Mr. Hands or did the horse call him Mr. Hans? I got to know. Like, if you are referred to as Mr. Hans after being killed in an accident involving sexual activity with a horse, I feel like,

I don't think it was the hands that were the problem. So disturbing. It's really one of those. things that I've been thinking about this week that just puts me in a void. It just keeps coming back up. It just puts me in a void. I feel like I'm looking into a crystal ball and something tells me we're going to be talking about this a lot

on Jack and as well. I feel, I'm feeling something in our future. Is that the theme for this Friday? It's not the 250th birthday. It's zoo. Yeah. It's zoo. Everybody join us for a zoo theme. Yeah. It's whatever you make of it.

If you know about the doc or not, it is just, just zoo. So anyways, I'm sorry about that. You're not sorry about that at all. And now I'm thinking about zoo. And now all I'm thinking about it, now I feel like I got to watch. What I don't like about that is that the song zoo by Shakira is very popular in my house right now. And I don't need to be thinking about the movie zoo when I hear the song.

At least it's not Connor Ober. So went to the zoo saw man die. You know, it's not like that. Where did my wife go? She just had a headache though. Yeah, this six songs called caffeine withdrawal. You thought it was. Oh my God, you cannot tell Lexi that we just spent the whole episode making fun of her migraine.

We're not, I just need everyone to know, we're not making fun of Alex's migraine. I'm making fun of the part where like I have had to work so hard on my own anxiety issues because she will just stone cold tell me some shit that make that that just would make me spin out. Yeah, I love it. If it was five years ago, if it was like eight years ago, she used to do this. And now the fact that I'm numb to it, I think it's what's so funny that I just go, uh-huh, yeah, sure. Keep me positive. Yeah.

I get it. I also think every headache is a tumor. And then I try to tell myself, it's not a tumor. It's not a tumor. It's not a tumor. Does Holden say that every time he gets into an Uber? I know. Almost every single time.

You know, I'm just letting every single time. at home, no. If you were wondering. Or if you get a lift, you go, it's not an Uber. Yeah, so you have to make sure it's included in that. I did want, I know that we got to move on to the list, but I wanted to bring up real quick. I've already on the list?

Yeah, dude. We've already, I've been obsessing over the new Olivia Rodrigo album. Oh my God, I got it on vinyl. You saw. I saw. You got it on vinyl. And I just wanted to bring it up because I have been, it's just, there's something. Sometimes you need.

an album to make you go back into feeling like a teenager and even though she's not a teenager anymore. And this whole album really starts as a love album. And she has openly said that she wrote it through her first big adult relationship and showed as it broke up in the middle of the album. And then the rest of the album is sad and like understanding and acceptance. And so it's all of my favorite parts of Olivia. And I was trying to push it on MJ. MJ was sad about something the other day, so I sent them what did I send you better? I think I said you better

off the album and I was like you need this right now because I really was I was sad about something over the weekend and I put it on and I was just like, ah! You just need it, you know? Olivia's so good at putting you back into your just intense younger

feelings that you had no control over and it's also about being sad in New York so I just yeah God. And I never I loved sour, but I just never got really into guts. And so I'm glad to be getting into the new Olivia. I've liked all of her stuff. And you nailed it on the head. I think people, you know, wonder why, like,

grown-ass adults would be into, like, an album like that. And it's like, because it takes me back. I'm not, like, necessarily resonating with it in a modern day sense. It brings me back to that time when everything had so much stinks. Yes, everything was such a big deal. You felt things so strongly. But with the wisdom, too, that it's going to be fine. feel like having that wisdom kind of like knowing the end of the book but while you're experiencing

it almost like helps in this way right but it is funny i i keep hearing like idiot dude bros like puzzle as to why taylor swift so popular why liby rodrigo like all they do is write like the same kind of breakup song or whatever right no they don't it's just like oh i don't know maybe like because um the people whose time of their life it is that they're the most the most of the most engaged with music you can possibly be because I think there is some psychology there about how during a certain time in your age of your life music actually like affects your brain more more intensely than other than as you get older and it's about like these life experiences that you're going like what's the most you feel it's like going through a breakup even though

some stupid lame guy and you're not even going to care in a few months it doesn't matter it's like that feeling's just so big and those are the people listening to music the most. That's why. Sorry it doesn't apply to you, 50-year-old white guy. Oops, I guess one thing doesn't apply to you, white man, in his 50s? But at the same time, some of them have been heartbroken before. I know, that's a thing. That's why I like hold the, like, I like how much you like Taylor Swift, because it's like, yeah, you can actually enjoy like a woman singing about heartbreak, whatever your gender is and whatever, like. Although I will say, mom, I realize, too, the bad girl is my, is my number one. That's,

So I shout out to Slater or Scroar in America. That's what's fucking ripping my dick off my body right now. So this is good? Yeah, yeah. Okay. I did want to tell you guys about, and Holden, this will be fun for you as your kid gets older. I was hanging out one-on-one with my eight-year-old, and I started playing Olivia, and at first it was the new album, and then she was like, is this Olivia Rodriguez?

And I was like, how do you know? I control all the media you consume, you know? But it was just like fun, like, oh, you're actually getting old enough now to have pop culture references and I was like, yes, Olivia Rodrigo. And she was like, is it sour? And I was like, no, it's the new album. And she was like, can we listen to sour? I was like, okay. And so I'm like, great. And so I'm listening to sour and I was

like, do you know what this album is about? And she's like, no, I was like, so it's a breakup album. And, you know, she was like, you know, why do you love this album so much? I was like, I love sad. She was like, why is it sad? She was like, I was like, it's a breakup album. And then I was like, you'll never guess, because I know that my eight-year-old also likes the song, please, please, please.

And so I was like, dude, you will never guess who this album is kind of about. Yeah. She was like, ooh. And I was, so I told the story. I was like, it's a breakup album of this guy who then went on to date somebody else. And even though it wasn't that girl's fault that he was dating her, Olivia was just really sad about the guy leaving. And I was like, and do you know who the girl was?

And she was like, who? And I was like, Sabrina Carpenter. And she was like, what? What? And then I was like, and then Sabrina wrote a song about how every. everyone online was mad at her, and she said, it's not my fault. I wasn't, it wasn't like he was cheating on her with me. I was just dating him.

And my kid was like, can we listen to that song? And then compare it to the songs on Sauer and see, like, who's side. Yeah, exactly. How awesome is this? Exactly. It's like pro wrestling. It's like comic books. Totally.

It's like lady pop singer stuff. Yeah, I will say, Winnie really liked the new album, the new Olivia album, I put it on. And at one point, she literally said, I really like this. Also, I had to explain to her what breakups were because of the song we just broke up again last night on the Sabrina Carpenter album. Whoa. How did you explain it to her? I said when, when mother is being mean, if mama gets too mean, then dad will be forced to break up with her. And that's called divorce.

I was hoping that it led to you using your marriage to explain to the divorce. If mommy and daddy did a breakup, this is how it would impact your life. life. When mommy and daddy have their secret stern conversations in the other room while you're watching Paul Patrol, if that ever gets to a point where we cannot resolve it. Fever pitch is what some adults call it. You'll see Daddy listening to a lot of Olivia Rodriguez. Olivia Rodriguez.

Absolutely. A lot of actually my, man, I got it on vinyl and I put it on the other day. I got it a long time ago. But man, Fiona Apple win the pun. All you Olivia Rodriguez fans out there. If you're not aware of Fiona Apple, Win the Pond, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's a really long title, but most people refer to it as Win the Pond. It is the greatest breakup album, in my opinion, I think, of all time.

It is just track for track. Oh, my God, MJ, paper bag alone. I've not, I mean, I obviously know Fiona Apple's work, but I'm not like an album. Like, I don't, I can't speak with fluency about Fiona Apple's albums. Oh, don't bring up albums in front of holding. I know he's an album, guys. I'm an album guy. I'm an album guy.

And Libby Rodriguezgo makes albums. Slater made a fucking album with Worst Grana Man. That's what I like about these newer pop artists. Oh my God, Carl Raleigh Jans. But if you're talking about Vio to Apple, you also have to bring up the... Because we haven't even talked about

Daisy Chain Fields, the event, the Olivia Rodriguez produced insane festival. I want to go. How do we go? So bad. I'm not going to be in town. It's like a cooler, better, like, but also a return of form of Lilith Fair. Lilith Fair was so...

I think it is. I just that run down the pump, it's more punky. I think it, I like it more. Headliners. Olivia Rodrigo, Chapel,

Stevie Nix, Sarah McLaughlin, Karen O. Mitzki. Other performers, Pekini Kill, the breeders, garbage,

dochi, cat size, Santa Claus. It's crazy. It's like, the list goes on and on. What a delightful mix. It's all these like,

the breeders, right? Yes, it's going to be a, It's like this amazing all-lady thing, garbage, right? Yes, and 100% of the proceeds benefit 10 nonprofit organizations focused on, on like women and girls and such as like Planned Parenthood. Women with withdrawal headaches.

And caffeine withdrawal. Hitherto. Tumor societies. People don't remember this. Lilfair was like really cool and really one of a kind until now. What is that doc? What was that? Did you watch, didn't you watch that doc?

think it was called like Harry bitch or something like that. Hillary bitch. Lilith Fair Building a Mystery is what it's called. But Harry Bitch I think is the sequel. I think that comes up. I can only say so many nice things about women before saying one thing that's really one bad thing. It just erases it.

Yeah, yeah. Just totally erases it. But check that out though because I think it was produced. Dan Levy was one of the producers and it goes through like all this footage of Lilith Fair too, especially if you can't make it out for how awesome this festival is going to be. I'm so, I'm sad about it. Not as if we could have gotten to,

like I don't even know. I feel like this is the kind of thing that you have to like sell a child of yours to get. We're giving them way too many good movie recommendations. I mean, this, zoo. I mean, it's just so many. Yeah, too. Yeah, just for true.

It's actually not, it's one of those where like the subject matters, extremely awful, and then, and the documentary is not very good. Oh, yeah. So it's one of those just bad experience. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's on YouTube, though, if you want to check it out. Keep talking.

It's time for the list. Never mind. Who's on the list? Jackie, got to have that list. Shocking facts about old Hollywood stars that are just freaking fascinating. MJ, I know you love old stars list. So this goes out to you. Did you know that Jimmy Stewart snuck an alleged Yeti finger from Nepal through customs

by hiding it in Gloria Stewart's lingerie case? Nice. In 1957, an oilman fittingly named Tom Slick led a failed mission through the mountains of Nepal in search of the abominable snowman. After an injury, Swift hired a pair of brothers, Peter and Brian Byrne, to continue his search for the elusive creature. Peter stumbled upon shocking evidence while exploring the Everest region of the Bangbosch Monastery. The monks showed Peter the remains of a Yeti skull and hand. He negotiated with them and convinced the monks let him purchase a single finger from the cryptids claw. Here's where Jimmy comes in.

Peter carried that finger all the way across Nepal's border into India where he convinced Jimmy Stewart and Gloria Stewart in Calcutta for the hand. Jimmy sandwiched the eddy finger deep inside Gloria's lingerie case they successfully smuggled the digit from India to the United Kingdom, where it was later debunked as a match for human DNA. I was going to say that. The monks are still laughing and laughing. Laughing, laughing.

Laughing, laughing. But even such, isn't it crazy? that he was able to get a human finger through more than a Yeti. Like, I do feel like that that's crazy. I don't think that security, you know, was tight between. I know. We never got, it makes me sad. We never got to party on an airplane.

Like, I'm not talking about a private jet, too. I mean, sure, you can do that. But I mean, like, party on a commercial, it used to be a party. There would used to be smoking cigarettes. Oh, grabbing all the flyers in. Oh, my God. Grabbing a man. Oh, yeah.

It was a sexual arrangement party. Yeah, wow. One hand in the mouth. He had one hand completely in the woman's mouth. Yeah, I think that that's more of a, I think, more of a fascination for you, I think, for than I don't think. Well, I just like we're not allowed. Like the, you know, the yester years days of the United States when you used to be able to just grab a flight attendant, you know. Yeah, exactly.

And by the way, leave MJ out of this, okay? MJ's with the bros now. Oh, I know. I mean, oh, yeah. You're right. You're right. You are correct. You can do whatever you want to have flight attendant now.

Yeah, you can walk on my face if you want to. I have to take it. Yeah, I got a list of things I'm allowed to do now when I transition. Right. It gives you a man list. Oh, man, the secret man's rider? The secret man list, yeah. Oh, I just want to see it.

And is it only brown M&Ms? Yeah. Well, it's, whatever M&M's you want to take from other people. Yeah, we know. Yeah, yeah. Just taking it. Not other people other. Women.

Thank you. You need to get back to memorizing that list. Yeah, you got to get back to that writer. You go get these rules in there. Don't take from man. Only take from women. Sometimes child. Always child.

Speaking of premonitions, not that we were, Natalie Wood's tragic and unsolved death was allegedly predicted by a fortune teller. Before she was even born, Wood's destiny for stardom was forecasted along with her cursed fate. Her mother, Maria, sought out a psychic who revealed two inevitable truths. One, her secondborn child would be known throughout the world.

And two, beware of dark water. Okay, beware of dark water is just good advice in general, but... Yeah, probably if you can't see in it, and it's murky. And you should probably beware. And definitely don't jump head first into it. Like, we know those things. Oh, man, I was splish splash taking a bath and I ended up in some dark water the other day. I think I shit the tub.

See, again, listen to Noah. And think of your wife and the thousand-yard stare of her having to scrape out the bottom of the tub, you know? Stamp it with the foot, you know what I mean? You don't have to put the hand in it. Oh, okay. So you think that she would squish it down through the drain rather than pulling the poop out? To Lavi? He's thinking.

To Lavi? You think that's a love. thing for a wife to do. You guys should probably talk about a couple of things. I don't know. What? Are you sure that Lexi is not just

claiming she's about to die of a brain tumor while she secretly packs a bag and creates an escape plan? She's going to gone girl me? She's going to gone grow me? Yeah. All I know is that if I know where she goes, I'm not saying. Sorry.

I'm like, oh, yeah. Wherever Andy Kaufman went or whatever. I don't know. Somebody in a moon. Men on the moon. You know, like maybe she's up on the moon, I guess. Oh, dude, let's do a list about men on the moon, dude. Can you Google that?

Yeah, like, buzz, bitch. Fucking buzz! No, we're busy talking about people talking to the dead. Marlon Brando spoke to the dead. Did you know that? Brando and his friend turned contemporary Wally Cox. Were inseparable and even a little possessively close. Cox died suddenly from a heart attack at 48 in his Bel Air home.

Shortly after, stars among the likes of Twiggy, Vincent Price, and Ernest Borgnine flocked to his residence for the week. Instead of mourning amongst the celebrity-clad coterie, Brando snuck into Cox's wake through a window and retired to the room where he died. When asked about it, Brando remarked, Wally was my friend. Nobody else's. And I think that if I, you know, Holden, we lose you, you know, I don't think I'm. going to be crawling into your bed anytime soon to try and pick up your essence. Well, yeah, you weren't in a gay relationship with me, so that makes sense.

I was going to say, it sounds like these guys were kissing. Especially, it was Brando's responsibility to pick up his ashes from the mortuary and spread them, but Brando just couldn't let them go. Instead, he kept the ashes close. He stored Cox's remains in a cabinet at his house, regularly

taking them out for drives and having conversations with them. And in an interview with time, magazine, it's very sad. He said, I can't tell you how much I miss and love that man. I have Wally's ashes in my house. I talk to him all the time. After Brando's death in 2004, the pair were finally reunited.

Bonded both in life and death. Brando's ashes were released alongside Cox's in Death Valley, California. Here's the hope in there keeping the conversation going out in the desert. We were to get, like they were in, they loved each other. And this is very sad. We got to stage this room after this. This is two. This episode is too dark, man.

We keep talking about all these dark things. Is it the dark waters? Is that why? The murky waters, shitting the pants. The zoo, obviously, I don't have to say to you again. You brought in zoo. Jackie brought in the shit-knit-the-concert story, but you brought in zoo. But all these things, I mean, the death, the tumor, all this stuff. It's just very dark.

Yeah. Yeah, no, there's a lot, there's a lot of dark things out there. Like Marilyn Monroe, also played a pivotal role. We don't need more dark things. One more. This is a nice one. In the development of tech. during World War II, she built drones.

Is that nice, Jackie? Is that nice? Are we thrilled with the idea of drones? It's nice. You just brought up the thing that's killed the most people on this planet. It's nice for her because she wasn't getting hurt by them. So she was called by her birthday game back then. She got a job testing parachutes at Radioplane.

Radioplane developed remote control aircraft technology that helped the U.S. Army sharpen its aim at targets. See, this is America. D'Ardy was photographed a radio plane showing off a propeller, but then Conover was sent on a mission by Captain Ronald Reagan, yes, the future president of the Army's first motion picture unit to photograph women working in war technology. This early image of Dowardy, who soon thereafter became Monroe, was just one of the many pictures taken of her that mesmerized the zeitgeist. So I don't think that necessarily means she was helping build drones. I think that she just had a job

and a picture was taken of her. But yeah, it sounds like she was just making drones sexy. Which, I mean, put a pair of tits on him. I'm begging for him. Like, then I wouldn't be as anti-drone.

Like, if I could look at the lumps and if we could grab on him, like Holden wishes he could do with the flight attendants. Yeah, sex toy drone. I could kind of see it, especially because a lot of times they are entering spaces

where people are sex-starved in need. So you think that this would be good to like bring more sexy back? Yeah, I don't think there's a lot. I don't think there's a lot of romance happening in war. I mean, I guess it is kind of romantic. You know, oh, we could die, you know.

See, that's why you watch Come and See. If you want to watch a true war, this is a good recommendation. If you want to watch a true war movie that does not romanticize war in any way, shape, or form. Also, don't say, Jackie told me to watch. this, it's a very, very, very traumatizing. Are you just trying to up my movie recommendation? Maybe. Maybe.

Just trying to out fucked up movie recommendation. Maybe you watch come and see you, then you watch zoo. I don't know. I don't know. That's your fourth of July. Yeah, that's your fourth of July. Honestly, extremely American. Yeah, it's very American.

The bestiality and then also just the true horrors of a child in war. I think that actually would give. And then watch Independence Day in the middle of it. It is about the, both are about the, abuse of innocent creatures, you know? Yes. So. Is that your list, Jackie?

That's it. Oh, that's great because I honestly think it. Sounds like it wasn't that great, MJ. Oh, that's good. So glad. Yeah, can we get a fucking chipper list next time? I'm doing the show. No, I like to upset MJ.

MJ gets upset. It's brutal. This is a brutal one for that this week. Yeah. Usually I lose my sight around this time and it's kind of not explainable. It's like a mystery. phenomenon, but now I know why it's happening. And it's because I don't want to see what's going on in this show.

But in that case, I do seem to have lost my sight. I think I'm going. Why? Items. Oh, we can't see them. The singer has been hiding the fact that he has been hooking up with his former co-star for nearly a year. Now, yes, that sounds like a pretty plain item.

But I'm so glad, let me just say that I'm so glad Holden is here for this blind because no one has talked about this show except you two a few years ago. The singer has been hiding the fact that he's been hooking up with his former co-star about the weekend. I am talking about the weekend. Oh.

He's a freak yeah. He's a freak yeah. And he knows it wants it bad. So he's fucking the deaf girl. No. Lily Rose. No, I thought it would be her, but it is not her. I don't know if you'll be able to guess.

Yeah. Can you name any other actors? I mean, I know Troy Savon was in it, but... Was it really? Oh, my God. I feel the rush. I'll give you to your touch. Oh, I feel the rush.

It's so good. It's so good. Because I'm a freak. Yeah. It's such a mashup. Yeah. And you know, I want it bad. Yeah, yeah.

Okay, this... I love Troy's Vaughn. That's... And so, wait, I don't think... So let me... I'll say it again with both names, which is a recommendation I got from somebody, which I think is helpful. The weekend has been hiding the fact.

that he has been hooking up with Troy Savon for nearly a year. How dare you? You should fucking be, you should be thanking them at their feet. I know. I'm saying this weekend, and I take all of the idol out on the weekend. Sorry,

it's all, I take it all out of him. I just remixed her big song. Listen to it. Uh, uh, uh, yeah. Uh,

I feel the rush. Ah! Addicted to your touch. And, uh. Trisabon's like, why is it women? And it's like, I think it's better this way. I think it's better this way.

Yeah. Oh, God, that show, man. Great job. I can't believe you guys got that so easily. Thank you. Thank you. Well, Jackie, God, I would never have gotten that. Okay.

Okay, so this next one, listen, I know I talk about how the blinds are all like very dark and upsetting these days. I think that also, like, sometimes the blinds are just like so fucked up. And I just say that to be like, I'm not trying to endorse. Sometimes the blinds, the way they talk about things are really fucked up. And also, the rest of the blinds are not interesting or fun. They're just sad. So this one, I'm not endorsing.

I love that you understand my plight now. Yes. You want fun. It's hard to find, like, fun ones. It's so hard. Yeah. And like a lot of times the way they talk about women, which you will see in this, it's just very fucked up. And so please don't cut me for the framing of this blind, ideological framing of this blind,

because it is fucked up. But here we go. This actress is a Nepo Baby. She's also an Oscar winner slash nominee. But the only reason she had any career in the first place is that she was willing to play the game and sleep with the disgraced producer. She was also willing to vouch for him to other young actresses, but didn't go as far as the actress director and specifically find women for him, as the story goes, to join in. So why did our Nepo Baby's career crash and burn?

It wasn't that she got married because our disgrace producer didn't care about that. He kept sleeping with her anyway. It was because when she got pregnant for the first time, she made it seem as if the baby's father could be the producer.

So he gave her a lot of money to the actress. She knew it wasn't his, but she didn't share that nugget of info. And when he found out she played him, he made sure she would never work again. Harvey Weinstein, I'm guessing? Yes.

So we're trying to figure out the actress who's the Nepo, whose career got ruined by Harvey Weinstein. And then you're also trying to figure out who's the actress slash director who helped Harvey Weinstein find women. Guineath. No.

Oh, wait, do you say director? I did say actress slash director who allegedly helped Weinstein find women. And I will say that there were four. Not Jolie. Not Jolie. No, okay. I was like, I will throw up all over myself, NJ.

Is it Dax? It's not tags. I will say that. Dax, there's no way it has to be Dax. Within this blind, there were four links to four different line items about this specific allegation that this actress director helped find women for Weinstein over several years. So I'm not saying that it's... Women can direct?

I'm not saying that makes it true. But I am saying there has been several blinds about this over the years that there was this woman director who helped Harvey Gets. Coppola. No. Ceple. And. Yeah.

No. No. I was going to say I love train spotting but it's lost in translation. She did. I'll say this. Last week, Jake... What do you think Bill Murray

whispered to the... Her at the end of... Nobody is thinking about that. Okay. Okay. Let's not think about that. Last week I also had a blind that said actress slash director

and Jake rightfully pointed out sex... Oh, of you mild. Yes. Not sexistly of Jake. But sexistly, there are not that many actress slash directors. Yes, it is Olivia Mild.

Allegedly helped Weinstein. Wait, did you say Oscar winner? Wait, is she an Oscar winner? No, there's another act. The Mepo, whose career got ruined by Weinstein is, and it says Oscar winner slash nominee. I'm trying to figure out right now which one it is. Ms. Stone? No.

J-law? I think that's saying they have both won. Okay. So usually if they would do that, MJ, a little peeked by the curtain. Usually if they would write that, I would just take out nominee because it's like, well, obviously, they've been nominated if they won. If they won. Okay, that's good to know.

That's how I do your job for you. No, you should. Okay, yeah, you're right. She's a winner. She's a Academy Award winner. And it is true that she has not made many movies lately. How can I give hints that don't give it away? Her most famous movie is with a very funny comedic actress.

It's kind of like a comedic text that people return to very frequently. I didn't even realize she was... Wait. Woman does comedy too. I know, I know. I know this. I know MJ is really breaking the mold tree right now. Yeah, like director, comedian.

This is weird. Her dad was an actor who was in Goodfellas, who was in Money Talks, who was in Romeo and Julia. He's been in a million things. It wasn't her father who invented post-its, but... Lisa Kudrow? The other one. Jack. The other one in Roby and Michelle's high school reunion.

Roe Graham. Grandma. Mira Sorvino. Mirasorvino. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Grandma. I was way on. Grandma.

Grandma, no, grandma was close. That is what everyone, everyone was thinking, grandma, and it has nothing to do with the word grandma inside of the villa right now. but we're not talking about Love Island. I honestly, I didn't want to say, oh God, it's great. I didn't want to say it aloud because I always would confuse the names Mira Sorvino and Mina Suvari. Me too.

That's why I was silent because I had to look it up because I was like, I know it's one of them, but I can't remember which one. I'm so glad that you also have this problem. I have to look at up. It's just the time period. They're both very talented. It is just, I think it's just the M and the S and you see it. Your brain goes wibbly.

And also there's another actor who has a similar sounding name. It's not that similar, but I mix them up to Lili Sobieski. Lili Sobieski. Oh, and she, look, except she had like the image. I always got her confused. I always thought she was a Helen Hunt in things because she looked. Lili Sobieski looks like young Helen, like a younger version of Helen. It really is crazy.

She does. And then I also, the four women. who I get mixed up, Mir Sorvino, Mina Suvari, Lili Sobieski, and Chloe Savigny. And I know that they're all. Yeah. What is this is a French meal?

Like, what are we doing? That's the thing. They sound like courses in a French meal. They are all different women. Which one's the snail? I feel bad for getting women mixed up with each other because they are all talented in their own right. But I'm just confessing, yes,

I get all four of them. those women mix up regularly. Sometimes we need to confess. Okay. Last but not least, the meme actor and the actress slash singer slash producer are making a movie together. Granted, it is an animated movie, but the girlfriend of the meme actor wants him to drop out because of jealousy.

Jared Leto? No. I'm just thinking to me macs. Meem actors. Yeah. I don't know why they call him a meme actor. They call him a meme actor every time. Okay.

So that's not a big clue. Yeah, I don't think that's... Okay, so say it again. We've got actor. The actor and the actress slash singer-slash-producer are making a movie together. Granted, it's an animated movie, but the girlfriend of the actor wants him to drop out

because of jealousy. So we've got an actor... Bing-Bong, Kylie. Yes. What? Yes. I call him Shamillam a ping pong now. Oh, right.

I have now shortened it to ping pong because... And Kylie? Yeah, they've been together for a minute. Oh, Kylie Jenner. Kylie Jenner. Yeah, I was singing Minogue for a second of her because you said singer. You said singer. And I was like, oh, wow, Kylie Minogue and Timothy Shalameh are making a song together. Well, there is one more person to guess, which is who is the actress slash singer slash producer that Timothy is making a movie. That's what I thought that Kylie was Ariana Grande. Oh. That was a damn good guess, though. God, she's a good guess. A same generation. No. Same generation as Ariana Grande.

Miley? No, but a very similar path to stardom. Sabrina? It's a keep going, you'll get there. Miley. Was it started as a TV star, Disney's kind of thing? Madonna. No, she's now a very, she's an actress in a movie show.

There you go. Selena Gola! I mean. I hardly think of her as a singer. I know people think of her as a singer. I forget. I forget. Delina Gomez.

And yeah, he's a meme. He's a meme, for sure. Timothy Shalameh. For sure, yeah. So to put it all together, Timothy Shalameh and Selena Gomez are making a movie together, but Kylie Jeter wants him to quit because she can't handle him talking to another one. But she's with Benny Blanco still, right? Yeah, and that's why Kylie Jenner looks at Benny Blanco and is like, I mean, yeah, I'm worried,

obviously, about something happening. Right. Although everything, the whole internet really lost its mind because Benny Blanco got a haircut and really the transformation that it's not he just got a haircut it's just there were multiple headlines about him and I was just like I'm surprised that everyone was more concerned about the haircut and I thought that they would be more like

he washed his feet because everyone talks about how you can see how dirty his feet are all the time but it's a nice haircut it is it's he looks but I would again I don't think I would unless it truly transformed you. I think the word transformation. If the hair somehow change your head. It frames, it does frame your face. I understand. I get.

It can be. No, but for him it would actually literally have to have an effect on his actual nose and his actual eyebrows and everything. You have to somehow transform his whole face. I want to see it. Yeah, I want to see it move around. Yeah. I don't know. I think he looks really different because he does have a very distinct

face and he also, I like curly hair, but he had such a weird curly hair haircut. It was just like a look guy looks like he hadn't gotten a haircut in a long time. And so I do think that if you're a guy who looks like you haven't gotten a haircut in a long time and then you get like a nice, neat, fresh cut, I will call that a transformation. Jackie, I know this is a specific pet peeve of yours. Who was the other person who recently got a haircut? There was a bunch of headlines about it. It's like those awesome social media videos

where they take an unhouseless person and they clean him and they no, it was literally, it was this picture, Holden. It was this picture, Holden. It was was John Sina who shaved his hair off. And he were like, transform. Like, it... John Sina looks the same no matter what here again. You were right, MJ. Benny Blanco does at least look different in the picture.

Here, let me show you. I feel like his... I love curly hair. I just don't think that that haircut was doing him any favors in the... In the caveman department. Made fun of corporate looks. And I don't think we should make fun of him for his looks. Oh, yeah.

All I'm saying is shopping. I'm just saying use Geico. That's what I'm saying. He does have a bit of a hall of early man at the Natural History Museum look to him. Okay. Where's the final? I'm just looking for the fucking final picture because there's this. I've been to the hall of early man a lot.

But you can really see more of his face. And I think that is good. I think it's nice. It's nice for those that want to see it. You know? It works. Yeah. Anyone?

I think it's good. I think it's good. I think they are in love with each other. And I think that's wonderful. And I think it's fine when, you know, these sorts of things happen, upsetly enough, but a very beautiful woman is with that sort of man. It's, you know, it's good somehow. Yeah, I think I think it's good.

And I do think that she obviously really loves him. And it's just like when a boomer mom is trying to be complimentary. Yeah, exactly. My mom used to say, you're pretty in the face. Yeah, yeah. And it's that kind of phrase. Yeah, it's a boomer's trying to talk about. trans people.

You know. It's like boomers trying to be like, they are, they're fun and they have, I'm glad that they, you know what I mean, they're just grappling with the concept. Yeah. And you're like, good? Good. Good. Yes.

Yes. And I, it's good what they do. Okay. What they do existing. Yeah. Yeah. It's not horrible at all. Okay.

That's like, I think it might be horrible. Oh, my God. There are so many. any AI pictures of Benny Blanco and his haircut that I cannot find a real picture of him with the fucking haircut. It is all just like, yeah, but this is what he could look like. Yeah, I get what he could look like. I just try to find a picture of the haircut. Fine.

Well, I can help you find a picture of the haircut because I can see again. Yeah. MJ. We're so happy that you came back. Snack, snack, snack, snack. It's time, Holden, it's time. And Holden, you know, I thought about you. Let's listen to Jackie Snaggy's theme song.

I've been a snacky girl. Snacky. I've been a snacky girl. Snacky. I've been a snacky girl. Snacky. I've been a snacky, snacky. Snacky.

Is somebody going to eat those chips? Is somebody going to dip those dips? Is somebody going to try those candies? I got seminar. They say I'm a snack lead. Don't worry. I don't have to hold on it. But it sounds.

It's so good. It's so, so good. And actually, it would just get trapped in your head. And that's why I don't, I don't put you through this. Now, today, Holden, I brought in two flavors of chips for you. Because I know you're my savory boy. And these are not, I am not punking you today. These are actually just genuine, I think, seemingly good flavors.

One of them won an award for its flavor. That's why it got chosen to be on the chip. And the other one I just was fascinated by because Doritos has been putting out more of their late night line. And I honestly just wanted to try it. So I'm going to try it. And we're going to start first with the flavor winner. And that is award winning chip lays bacon grilled cheese. Okay, let's go.

So I'm going to take a little picture here. Let's go. Bacon grilled cheese. Yeah, this is a theme. My snack also has to do with eating a full meal in the form of a chip. It is a part of their competition. They had a do-us-of-favor competition, and this was one of the winners. Now, do you all throw the mayo on the grilled cheese to brown the bread a little better?

Of course, I do. You have to. You have to put mayo. You put mayo on the outside. Yep. And also sometimes I put a smear of mayo on the inside to give it that little goosh on the inside. We still talking about grilled cheese? Yeah.

Yeah. I'll talk about grilled cheese all day. Holden, will you hold this up so I can take a picture of you, please? Oh, yeah, Smy's. Oh, yeah, that's it. I know you're supposed to do mayo on the outside, but I'm a mayo hater. I can't do it. It's just such a better crisp.

It's such a better crisp. It like takes away all, like, you don't taste any mayo. So it always fascinates me when they put bacon into a flavor palette of a chip. Yeah. Because oftentimes I feel it takes over. The flavor. It's the smoky. It's the smoky.

Because they don't actually do bacon technically. It's the smokiness of it. You know what I mean? But it's a powerful flavor. Let me get in this. This is also what the judges on Chopped always say. They're always like the guanchale really takes over the flavor, you know, but that's what it does. I think it's pretty good.

Mmm. But you know. I'm not going, but I think it's, I fuck with it a little bit. I'm doing mm because. No, you didn't do, um. You went. Mm. Because.

Because honestly, I was so busy talking about how the bacon takes over and a chip that I wasn't prepared for the amount of cheese that was going to come through. Really? Yeah, usually the smokiness kind of completely overtakes it. So if you like the taste of like a light bake, so it isn't just like, honestly, you open up the bag. And sometimes when you have a bacon thing, the noxious fumes kind of take over the room. This isn't doing that. This is not crazy over bacony. I understand why it won the flavor

because it really does have a depth beyond just like a cheddar and sour cream kind of dip. Don't get me wrong, I love a cheddar and sour cream chip. Yeah. But it really is giving specifically American cheese. Yeah. And I think it's just because it's, you know, fake. I think it's just all fake, but it's delicious.

Inherently it's difficult for me. I just got to throw it out there when like you do a meal kind of like this and a chip, because then I'm just thinking about the meal I'm not having, you know? And then I'm just like, man, I could go for a quick. I agree. She's right now, you know, and I'm like, this is good. Yeah, that was how I felt whenever I would try the buffalo wings stuff.

I was like, I just want buffalo wings now. No, I just want wings. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But I, honestly, every single one of the line of, I don't know, Holden, have you had any of the late night versions of the Doritos? They've been putting out, they put out like a jalapeno popper that really fucked. Oh, right.

They did like a jizz on the crackers thing. Yeah, it was all jizz on the crackers. Yeah, it was an uki-cookie di Doritos situation. which is why I tell you. I mean, I had Henry in here and he was just chowin down. But no, we're not talking about ookie-cookie. We're talking about Doritos hot honey pizza.

I think that I, and honestly, Doritos really does a great job of, and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, this, the reason why I put these chips together was because this is another one where, is the hot honey going to come through or is it going to be? Because again, sometimes fake pizza,

it takes up too much of the flavor. Although I love pizza-flavored goldfish. Actually, those are so good. Yeah, I love hot honey. Yeah, this is also, what was the Doritos late night? The loaded taco. The loaded tacos are delicious.

Yeah, this is it. Yeah. Awesome. Let's forget it. Wait, can you put it like you're humming it again, please, so I can take a picture? Thank you. Thank you. Everyone check out last pod network or Jack that worm.

He's zoosuing the chips. He's doing a zoo. He's doing the chips, everybody. It was English style. It was Western style. It was just honestly, any style you could get close to, he's doing it. Wow. Jackie, what you think?

she's doing like a Mm-hmm No No It's a really really delicious chip And you get the aftertaste Of the spice too You're right

It's not crazy spicy And it does And it's too little lingo Doesn't have to Doesn't have to And it lingers in the mouth And it lingers in the mouth But it is

It's definitely hitting harder With the pizza than it is with the hot honey, which is understandable. That's what you want. But that's a fucking delicious chip, dude. A hot honey pizza is first and foremost a pizza

with a little hot honey on it. With a little hot honey on it. You're so right. With pizza under it. So these are like, it's like a sweeter, hot pizza chip. These,

these fuck. Wow. If given a choice, I'm sorry, bacon grilled cheese, and I'm sorry to the winner of the do-us-a-flavor, competition, but

yeah, I'm gonna, I took a picture. He kicked the bag, yeah. Took a picture of him kicking the bag on the floor. So you can see it next to you. If you look at Last Pod Network, yeah, yeah, I'll get, yeah, I'll get a good video. Yeah, he's, no, he was, no, he's fucking the right chips. Oh, yeah, there, there he goes.

Now, see, this is, I'm just so glad that we're trying to do more social media so that everybody can see what's going on in here. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no. It's all the footage I needed. I will say soon you will be able to see all of us, unfortunately. And I will say, congratulations to you. We didn't start it with Holden. And we started it with, we are starting it next week with, I dare say, one of the most attractive people on the network, Sina. And I think it'll be good to bring in, you know, someone that is not that hold in, not that everybody doesn't want, like everyone's going to see that video and be like, get it on film yesterday. Why do we not have this?

So, I just want to optimize the SEO optimization of like man fucking bag of chips. We need those people. We need to bring them in, you know. We need them. We need their feedback. But also just throwing it out there, if you do want to be fun at parties, bring fun, stupid snacks and stupid sodas,

I make a lot of friends every time I do. Especially at a party, you don't know anybody, and then you're just like going around and you're just like, you've got to try this. It's a new flavor.

You got it. And it really helps. If it's a pool party, get up on the roof, in a rub, scream, I am a golden god. Yeah, and then jump. And then jump.

Or try a snack like MJ has. Well, I see and home to the Vegas where I'm in. I have something new. It might blow my mind. Hello, spicy. Hello, crunch. It's NAMJ's. My mama, Mitty Munch.

Hello, you're my wild grill. It's Mammie Mimittance. Mipinich. Mipunch. Mipunch. Speaking of Golden and also of whole meals inside a chip, I have up up. It's a chip moment.

Gonna eat chips with steak and them. Okay, so this is more like soccer chips. It is Argentinian style steak. MJ, I am going to ask you to pose. I'm smiling. It is very funny because it's not that you're scared. You're scared. It's not that you're scared of me, MJ.

It's just that every time I take a picture of you smiling, it does look like I have a gun to your head. and I think this is good for our friendship. I think I always have friends that you take only bad pictures of. Yeah, you look terrified. Yeah. Now, this will be interesting for me because I almost never eat steak. So I don't know if I'm going to be able to compare this appropriately to an Argentinian-style steak with Chimmy-cherry. But let's see.

Oh. I was about to say, man, I was about saying, man, this does not seem like something I would be into. Not into it. I do love, I got every moment of that in the picture. of just, nope, not it. So, okay, what is it about it that you're not feeling? Like, is it too meaty? It tastes like dog food.

It tastes like dog food. Dude, I'm so glad I'm sitting over here with this. When these men, I don't need to the fucks, dude. Oh, yours tastes like dog food. I heard from somebody who really likes these. They were like, oh, I can't wait for you to try the steak ones. No. Was it a dog?

It's too meaty. It's too meaty. It's just like trying to get you to chase the bag at the bodega. Yeah, the many streetcats who live at the bodega are like, buy this bag of chips. It's supposed like meat meat meat chips. It's, it is like you said, Holden, the thing where it's like now, it's like evoking a meal in a chip I don't always love.

But last week, the garlic sauce chips were fantastic. But this just, it has like, it feels like it has artificial meat flavor that you might put in a dog food onto a chip that I do not like it. But again, I'm not a big steak fan. So maybe if you love steak, maybe you'll love these chips. I love steak and wrong. I don't think, I think we've hit on something. I just don't think artificial meat flavoring is for me, you know? Yeah.

Unless it's light. Like the bacon really is light, but if it hits you, like really, I feel... Even that, though, I think the winner here is hot honey pizza and it's not, it's staying far away from a meat flavor. It is. It really is. It's the same. The only two chips I think ever that I have tried on MJ's Minute Munchies that I have hated are this and the everything bagel pringles because those were trying to taste like cream cheese. And there's just certain things that you don't want in a chip.

Yeah, you want to dip the chip. Make a good Everything Bagel chip, and then I'll dip it into the cream cheese, and that'd be fucking awesome. Yes, and the Everything Bagel, Pringle was like evocative of cream cheese in a way that I'm still thinking about in a bad way. Man, they had such a home run on their hands, too. Like, just make it taste like an everything bagel and put out like an accompanying dip. Yeah, I mean, people put everything bagel seasoning on everything. It's like garlic and onion and, you know, crunchies. It's delicious.

It would make a great chip. But they totally shut the bed. with the pringles and yeah, I mean honestly, I feel like I would rather have like a Chimmy Churry flavored chip. Yeah, I think it has to be the sauce and not the meat.

That's why the garlic sauce ones are so good. It's like the flavor, the sauce provides flavor. The meat provides like a protein experience. I don't want to feel like I'm having a imagining eating a steak via a chip. I want the flavoring. So I feel like a Chimituri chip would be cool.

Because that's the thing like, honestly, like the spicy kimchi chips that we got, that were so fucking good. And it's like they weren't trying to get the essence of cabbage in it. You know what I mean? They were just using the flavors.

Or use the meat I've never heard a had before. Like man flesh chips. Or horse. Bring it back to zoo. I'm sure everyone's going to be upset that we brought that up as many times as we did. No one's going to be mad about that. I think everyone knows what they're getting

when you are guest hosting. Or not getting because they're not listening because they skip this one. Yes. So it's probably for the best. Maybe it's for the best. But I think those people are missing out. Yeah.

Why skip an episode where a man's going to fuck a bag of chips twice? Yeah, exactly. Twice. Yeah. And they're missed noises like these. Ooh. Ooh. Oh.

What am I listening to the weekends, music, and the idol? I'm a freak girl. And you know it's a... What that. I do not have enough water to get the taste of steak out of my mouth. And I honestly, it is... You'd think that. the amount of coffee taste I had in my mouth with the hot honey pizza chips,

you'd think that I'd want that to stop. But I'm kind of fine with it. Yeah, it's a party now. Kind of just letting it. Yeah, now my mouth is the party. Yep. And listen, to the person who messaged me and said, I'm looking forward to trying the Argentinian steak chips, I'm so happy that you love these.

I'm very happy for you. I'm not trying to yuck anyone's yum, but I will not be purchasing these again. And I don't think I'll be finishing the bag. I am having people over tonight. And they taste like dog food. Yeah. It tastes like dog food. That is yucking someone's yom.

I apologize. I'm going to put these out at a party tonight and I'm going to see what happens. You're like a dog that eats. You bring it to the July 4th function. You know, bring it to somewhere else. There's enough days. You just clip it. Just bring it and be like, try this, you know?

Yeah. You know what I brought these disgusting crap and shrap. So I guess that you fools could try it. You fucking want. It's all in the presentation, MJ, all right? Yeah. But speaking of all in the presentation, I'm glad that we do. Don't think about it. Holden when you come close.

I just want to say we love you for your essence. Thank you so much. And not what's on the outside. Thank you. See, yeah, it's not about what I say or anything. No. The inside. Yeah, it's about the inside.

It's about the goop that we find all surrounding your inner meat. Where can we find you? Nerd of Mouth. You too. Sounds like no one's going to. If you want to talk, A Nurt of Mouth, you too. No, Nerd of Mouth is now.

on it's now being video. Yes, yes. YouTube.com forward slash dropout over there. Check it out. Learn about podcasts. Check us out. Without a doubt.

Watch that HGX2 on LPN TV. We put a lot of work into that. Get those numbers. Get it going on. Twitch.tv. 4 slash Holdenators. So Jackie and I do a stream every single Friday. It's extremely fun.

And we're bringing more and more energy to it, more and more ideas to it. Now we're trying to up our game to get your butt in, in its seat and watching it, you thing, you animal. So anyways, yeah. It's, it's because of zoo.

And I think that at least we all know that in his brain, it all goes back to zoo and we just leave it there. Also, definitely make sure, I'm sorry, I totally forgot, make sure to watch, oh, is this good?

You know, So sad that this was supposed to be our first video episode and scheduling changes prevented that from happening. And I am devastated. I'm sure Cina is going to be hump and chips. Don't you worry about it. Yeah, he's going to be, you know him. You remember what I did. My name is Jackie Zerrowski.

You can follow me on Instagram, but Jack That Worm. Come get at it. We've been putting out a bunch more social media stuff over on the Instagram. and I'm working on, working on more stuff over at LPN Romanty and check that out. YouTube.com slash at LPN Romanticy and also Romanticy deep dives on Instagram. Give that a follow because our girl has been killing it recently and we've got a lot of shows coming down the pipeline and we've got a lot of fun, romanty that you need to be learning about. But also really, genuinely, Holden and I have a blast every Friday.

Come hang out with us. We've been having themes. We're going to be doing our version, 250th birthday, our version. And come join us on Friday, twitch.tv. TV forward slash Holdenators Ho. MJ. You can follow along with all the stuff we do with the Patreon, patreon.com slash page 7 podcast.

We've got Desperate Housewives. We've got Buffy. We've got Jackie's book club. Everyone over there is so fun and wonderful. And, of course, we love hearing from you, except if it's about Holden, page 7, podcast at gmail.com. We love hearing from you.

We love you guys. And Holden, believe it or not, we really do love you. We love a lot. And we love having you on the show. And please come back soon. Absolutely. I'm always just kind of saying out there with you guys bring me in. Yeah, always leave it.

Just listening. Just being like, yeah. Put me and coach. Yeah. Just in case. Cina can't make it. I'll be standing right out there next week. Yeah.

With a bag of chips. Have a great weekend. Well, don't. We'll be back tomorrow. I don't know what they're saying. We have to end the episode. This show is made possible by listeners like you. Thanks to our ad sponsors.

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