Page 7 - Vow Renewal - Live in Fear w/ Natalie Jean

Episode Date: April 3, 2025

This week's slumba partah is being crashed by Page 7's big sister and resident DJ Tanner, Natalie Jean as we dive right into 'Hollywood Demons', '7th Heaven's' pedo problem and the true wronged party in 'Mrs. Doubtfire', the indoctrination of Disney Vacation eps of 90's sitcoms, Amy Sherman-Palladino had a mysterious event that Jackie and Natalie chose to skip for fear of an 'Eyes Wide Shut' situation that turned out to be a panel discussion with some of the heads of the creators work which leads to some ghost fuckin' talk that has Natalie accessing her inner weeb because TECHNICALLY CASPER IS 200 YEARS OLD, Andrew Lloyd Webber created the Phantom sequel no one asked for, Fran Drescher has a hotation and Jackie used to get sandwiches from a killer, Chet Hanks and his band have put out a song and video 'Something Out West' that Jackie gives a general taste of, Momtok Talk now has MJ emersed in Ruby Frankie, then a list of 'Adults In Teen Movies Who Were Right!', followed by BLINDZ that no one wants to believe (UGH, LOVE IS DEAD), and then it's time (1:14:26 / 1 hr 14 min 26 sec TIL 1:23:24 / 1 hr 23 min 24 sec) to be Snackfluenced by Jackie's Snackies! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This goes out to our guest, and she's going to be upset that I'm starting the episode with this. 7th Heaven, when I see their happy faces, smiling back at me. 7th Heaven, I know there's no greater feeling in the love of family. Can you hit the note? Where can you go? When the world don't treat you right, the answer is her. That's the one place that you'll find a pedophile. No, it's seventh heaven.

No, it's seven heaven. Yes, we are starting with the seventh heaven theme song today. Maybe it's getting you excited for who our guest is. Well, you know what television theme song doesn't have any pedophiles associated with it, as far as I know? Step by step. When you wake up in the morning and you're all in a morning and I'll make on a long time. Yeah, but what is it? It's encouraging people to be late to school. Uh-huh.

And MJ, that sickenes me. Yeah. And how dare it. Screech certainly has some blood on his hands as well. But I don't think it was as bad as the guy from Seventh Heaven. I don't know. We'll find out with our guest. Who knows?

We are so excited to have her here. She is the co-host of someplace underneath, which you may know as Spun. And also LPN Deep Dives, where you may know the other co-host, who's Jackie Zabrowski. That's me. Please welcome Natalie Jean. Welcome. I'm here to bring all the bad news

about every show you've ever liked. Hell yeah. It is so funny because MJ and I hit Natalie with a bunch of links about stuff that's going on. And Natalie immediately responded with, can we talk about Stephen Collins and Seventh Heaven? The 20-year-old show? Yes.

Because there's a new series called Hollywood Demons out on Box. And I was the, first, like, why are they making this show? And then I realized it's very similar programming to, like, what was on VH1 all afternoon when we were teenagers. Oh, yeah, that's probably why it's appealing to me. Very much so. Also, for whatever reason, Dr. Drew's just on it.

And I'm just like, get out. Get out of here. What does he know about all of this? He brings nothing to the table. He just comes in, they bring a, like, a talking head in it every once in them all going. He goes, yeah, pedophilia. And it's bad. Yes.

I don't think it's good. He's there to be the expert on pedophilia. in a way that is like, yeah, so weird. So weird. He doesn't know anybody there. He's not in the industry. It is, but it's one of these shows. You watch enough of these type of, again, I watch all of the behind the musics and, you know, I love the 70s, I love the 80s. This is just that, but like branded, like, it's on Macs, so it's reputable.

But they just have all these other people affiliated with the WB on the show being like, we had a great time. Man, it really did well. I loved they brought on the random actor. I think it was the only ones who would respond and agree to be on it. Yes, absolutely. It was really fun. There was just like a guy who had like a two episode story arc on it.

He was like, yeah, I like that guy. It was pretty cool. For those of you that are unaware, Hollywood Demons pulls back the curtain of fame to expose the hidden struggle, sacrifices, and scandals of life in the spotlight. So every episode follows a different, very upsetting thing that you may or may not know about from your childhood. The next one is all about like horrific child stars. and I will be watching it. But the first episode was unfortunately,

and I promise everybody, this whole episode is not going to be about this episode. But I did wake up at 6.45 this morning to watch it. And when you're watching an episode about a beloved, you know, pastor character from your childhood and what he did in real life. I mean, way to be cliche about pastors. Jeez, Louise. That's the thing.

And they're really in like usually they're not so much vilifying the ones that have a family. Usually those aren't the ones that are being kept in a cage. You know what I mean? In the same exact way. But I guess I don't know that much about any of this stuff. I don't look into it very often because I've got a bad brain. And sometimes when I watch these things, it makes me never want to trust ever again. I think that means you have a good brain.

I think I have the bad brain looking at it all the time. MJ had already watched it. MJ was so excited because they were like, I already did the homework. I like the sad, dark documentary about scandal, all right? Hollywood scandals is right up my alley. Although the only thing is that I was never a seventh heaven kid. I was too much. I was too smug.

Even then, I was like, that show looks too nice. You're right. You are correct. It was the thing about it that I liked about it as a young adult, young person was that it was so corny. That it felt fun, almost like, a soap opera because they would a little bit jump the shark on it. There would be episodes where they were... Oh, yeah. It was bad shit. Yeah, it would get wackadoo because it was on for 11 seasons,

so eventually you're just going to be doing whatever. There's only so many episodes about Jessica Beale being in front of a beer at a sleepover that, you know, you can really squeeze out of a show. They got to start going into the deeper, like, you know, there was huffing, there was the one kid fell in love with a pregnant girl. I'm just really glad that this episode of this docu series really got into how much of a bitch, Ruthie was, because she was a bitch. All right. And I know that I feel like the 90s often painted the youngest. And maybe I'm upset as the youngest.

They always painted the youngest as the, I'm just a little bitch. And she was a little bitch. I know she's a child, but she was a little bitch. She's sassy. Yeah. And I guess maybe I was like not spending enough time being sassy. And maybe I'm angry about it and I'm trying to make up for everything. You were sassy?

No, I was not sassy as a kid. I wasn't sassy. Henry was the sassy. I think that there was also, we watched Mrs. Doubtfire. I watched Mrs. Doubtfire with my kids over the weekend, which was very fun. Hell, yeah. Super fun. I'm so glad they're old enough because we also, they're in a big Matilda phase right now.

And I was like, you guys know who is in other movies, the actor who plays Matilda. Do they also know that it's upsetting to Sally Field? Do they also watch it with a perspective that we all can say if your husband that you were on the out with did have a partner? like that you might leave him? They did say... Did you explain this to them? Well, I know.

I was like, I got so I could do a whole show on Mrs. Dowdfire now because they were like, I think that I agree with the dad more than the mom. And I was like, the movie wants you to feel that way. But then I was like... But also, I understand. I feel like there was this kind of like feminist, a few years ago, feminist discourse of like Sally Fields was the wrong to party in Mrs. Doubtfire, which is obviously definitely correct. But also, kind of fun that he breaks all those laws to see his kids, you know, I would

consider it. But that's why I always live for like the YouTube remakings of the trailer into a creepy movie. Like I like, because in theory, that is creepy as hell. That is very scary. That your husband dressed up to such a great extent that he was able to just chameleon his way into your home. Yeah. No, that's absolutely terrifying. But, um, for whatever reason, I support Robin Williams doing it. That's the thing. You just kind of got to root for him. But what I was thinking, Jackie, is that I think that you and I, as little sisters in the 90s,

had a bit of a tough time because there was all these really cute charm. Like, Michelle was really cute, you know, and, like, the little girl and Mrs. Doubtfire was, like, really cute. And I was always like, I am not understanding the assignment. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, as a DJ Tanner over here, I don't really relate to you. Whoa. Okay.

Take your Steve and go back to. Disney world. You just want to fuck Aladdin. And we all want to fuck Aladdin, okay? Well, sure, but not Steve. I would want to fuck him as Aladdin. I would not want him as Steve. I just specifically... Don't remember that episode because I remember when my mind was blown

because I am referencing the one... They used to go to Disney every once in a while and they went to Disney. Remember, she was missing Steve. Yeah. And then she saw Steve in the Aladdin costume, even though Steve, who played Steve, was also the voice for Aladdin. And then I was like,

and then canonically, you can't take it away for me, the DJ fucked Aladdin, and that I will always be envious of. Yeah. I mean, she at least kissed him. I don't know if they banged. But do you know that was a campaign with ABC at the time or whatever channel they were? Oh, the crossovers?

The Disney World crossovers. They had basically warped our minds to the point. That's why there's, I mean, I think that's why there's Disney adults now because that was a time period when they got into like every sitcom. Like Roseanne also did it, a bunch of different shows ended up in doing a Disney World episode because they were the same company essentially. Whoa. Is that why that always happened? Yeah. I, that makes sense. Wow, that does make sense. And it worked. It did. It worked great. It always made me want to go. As someone that hated Disney growing up because I was, we did go to Disney fairly

often in the summers. And I hated it. I didn't want anything to do with it. Well, you were a hometown girl. I'm just a hometown girl. I'm just a hometown girl. That's what everybody's always. Oh, Jackie Hall. The hometown girl. The hometown lived right outside of Disney. She lived right. Oh, yes.

I mean right outside. And then I fell in love with the boy from a hometown. He's been baiting houses. But, oh, baby, he's scared to leave because his wife died when she was 18. Don't ask how long they were married for. Donald Duck. He never wore pants. And I loved him for it.

Now, Natalie, we're so excited to have you on for me. many reasons, but one of those reasons is I was very, very hip to the fact that beloved friend of the show, Sam, was telling us about Amy Sherman Palladino having a show that she was like, it was such a nebulous synopsis of what happened at the show. For those of you that do not know, Amy Sherman Palladino is the creator of Gilmore Girls, of marvelous Mrs. Maisel. And there was a night that you could go. And it's just like, be a person. part of the universe of Amy Sherman Palladino. And I was like, what the hell is this?

I don't understand what this means. So we let it pass. Natalie and I did not go to this event. And turns out it was like a panel for Amy Sherman Palladino and some of the leads from some of her shows all having like a big panel talk back, which is a lot of fun. And so they ended up talking about Gilmore girls a lot. But they also started talking about, which I was excited to ask you about. Natalie, if you watch the trailer for

Et Tuile You know, as a ballet dancer, I feel ashamed, I don't know what that word is. Oh, wow. Et toile? Et toilie. Thank you, F.J. Because you know we want to call it, Etoe.

I took six years of French. I want to say et toilet. Etolet. Etolet. Etolet. Etolet. Atole. Etal.

Atole. I think it's a bold choice. to make for entitled. Yes. But also, I have to say, you did not mention Bunheads. You're right. I didn't. I chose not to mention Bunheads. Yep. I didn't. One of the only times I cried when it got canceled, a show got canceled. How many seasons was it? One, and it was fantastic and wonderful. Don't get me wrong. I love a Sutton Foster. And I will do anything for a Sutton Fosters. Have you ever watched Bunheads? I have not. Give us a little synop. MJ is looking so, like, scared and lost about Bunheads. I'm so lost. I'm Google and

Bunhead. Are you an Amy Sherman, Stan, at all? I am not. I was going to ask you to, just like I didn't watch Seventh Heaven, I unfortunately, I mean, I don't regret not watching Seventh Heaven. I do regret not watching Gilmore Girls. I have no relationship to it. And I feel like it is one of the most universal cultural touchstones of millennials our age, specifically millennial women our age. And I, and, and now I'm learning that this lady has just an abundant body of work. Oh, yeah. Abund-handed. Yeah, let's talk about Bun-Henhan. heads and then and then maybe I maybe you can tell me a little bit about Gilmore girls as well well Amy Sherman okay the whole beginnings of Amy Sherman Palladino is also just lore because

she is one of those people who's too talented and it's annoying there was basically her origin story is she was a she was professionally trained dancer also writing comedy and so she had to choose early in her career to either join the cast of Ketka or write for Roseanne. Whoa. Those are too insane options. Yeah. Like, fuck, really choose a late.

Yeah. Rude. Rude to all of us. But she chose to write for Roseanne. So she was a, which is again, despite the modern day iteration of Roseanne Bar, Roseanne the show is one of the best sitcoms of all fucking time ever. Great choice at the time. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Very much so. And it is. but like she really is like a wonder kund, right? Like everything she, like she really was hitting a bunch.

I mean, Gilmore Girls was huge. And Marvelous Mrs. Maisel obviously also huge. And I'm sorry that I didn't include bunheads. Thank you. Even though it was one apparently very good season. You're there, if you're a bunhead, bun, bun head. Bunt. Bunt.

Bunt head head. Yeah. Bunt. Bunt. Bunt. Uh, people were. There's a specific audience, mostly dancers, obviously, but like who were, that is a cult. You know, it's a cult show for them.

And I've watched it all the way through probably. Not as many times as I've watched Gilmore Girls all the way through, but at least five to ten times I've watched them. And it is so sad that it didn't get, but I understand to an extent that network probably had to pay quite a lot to make that show happen because it's an entire, again, it's like Gilmore Girls where they have a whole town is the character. So you have to like make a big world happen. And you have to pay them nonstop because I feel like it's like a rockette, right? Don't they have to like get paid to like make sure their legs can be strong up to the sexy extent of a rocket? Because I feel like rockets are paid year round so that they can stay toy. Once a racquet, always a racquet.

Always a rocket. I don't think so because I actually don't think so because I did perform with Rockets when they were off-season. for when I was dancing and doing more of that in my 20s. Natalie, you never said that you were a rocket. No, I wasn't a rocket. I performed with off-season rockets doing like there was this. Eight balls? No, that you don't.

You're slickety, shlickety lines. I mean, you've got to get those legs up there, me. I wish they paid you to do that, but they don't. It's probably for the best. In every conflict, there's at least one bitch. A huge bitch, a silly bitch. A little baby. bitch, raggedy bitch.

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where we'll be taking your calls live on air. Help us, help you figure out Who's the bitch? Yeah, doing these sort of like live performance advertisements for like computers and stuff like that. We did it in Times Square, so like a... The Rockettes? Oh my God, I would claim.

I did it with a bunch of Rockets who weren't working during that time period. You could absolutely blur the resume here and say that you were a racquet. I think that totally counts. That's all I heard. All I heard is that my sister-in-law was a rockette, and that's awesome. I'm going to ask, as somebody, it's probably not that rare to have this unique skill set,

but that you share with Amy Sherman Palladino, which is being a dancer and a comedian. But if it were you and you had to choose between being in cats or writing for Roseanne, what would you choose? And do you think she made the right choice? I would absolutely. not choose cats. I'm sorry everyone. Ouch. Natalie. If you gave me a different option of musical

per chance, I would have a harder choice. Not interested in catting it up. I actually, I know we did the entire network did the whole, we did the, especially page seven was very invested in the cats. Very, yes. You don't want to show you're on right now. We live and breathe cats. We are the kidd of songs. We are the kids on. I think the movie,

in itself was much more fun than the musical, which I find pretty boring, to be honest. Oh, my God, but the heavyside layer, they're all meowing for death. If we're talking Andrew Lloyd Weber, we're going fighting in the opera every time. Yeah, I know. You got me there. I'm a big Andrew Lloyd Weber head, which is embarrassing because so much of his work is bad. Oh, yeah, so bad. Did I ever, do we ever talk about MJ that Henry and I went on a date night one time in L.A. to the Phantom of the Upper sequel musical. No, we have not talked about that.

There's a sequel. And is it done by Andrew Lloyd Weber? Yeah, really? It is? Yeah. The man doesn't know how to say no. And we appreciate that about it. Do you want to know the plot?

Yes. What could it be? Well, apparently Christine and the Phantom fucked at some point. Okay. And she had this baby. Whoa, is it a Phantom baby?

Yes. Whoa, like Renesme? Uh, yes, aged rapidly. Did it age? Oh, it didn't. But it takes place on a pier, like a carnival. It rips through Christine's throat, and we don't know how the baby got up there. I don't know how they had sex.

When did they have sex with each other? Behind your curtains. Uh-huh. But essentially it is her, I think it's, I don't actually remember because Henry and I were actively laughing through it. It was really fun. I actually recommend everybody go see it because it's a little. But I think it's her, their son trying to learn about his father.

I think. But it's not. It's not. It's not. It's like there's certain texts that should not be. Yeah. Retroactively altered with a sequel. Or they put a lovemaking scene in the original one.

They add a scene in. Yes, I want to see it. Give me the extended edition. But it's just. adding a very long, very, like, weirdly upsetting because, like, you know the phantom's not good at it. You know, like, it's probably going to have to be coached through it and be like, okay, all right, you got to put this over here. Like, does he know to pomp chompa?

Definitely. Yeah. Or am I so wrong that I should be keeping, like, the phantom more in the world of, like, a vampire? And because he's been around so long, maybe, like, ghost fucks? I was, I mean, wouldn't it count as a ghost? What is a phantom if not a ghost? You're right. Well, depending, I guess depending.

depending on the variation, because the original film of the opera is supposed to be just a guy living and he's not a ghost. And he's not a man. So he's just a fuck. He's just a creep in the basement. No, you're right. But that's why I'm saying you add in the ghost element. You guys know that I love, I mean, sometimes on the Sims, you know, I've created my own

Kesha on the Sims because Kesha in real life has talked about how she has had sex with ghosts before. And so I, that is something that I really aspire to. I'd really like to have sex with a ghost. So I have been living vicariously through Kesha's fuck choices via the Sims because now in the Sims you can be a ghost and you can turn, if you are a ghost, you can turn another sim into a ghost for a small amount of time and you both can inhabit an object and fuck inside of the object.

Like you can both go inside of a stereo and fuck inside of the stereo and then you come out and then you're corporeal again. Does Jeff know that's your, what's it called? Hall pass. It's my only hall. Any ghost? Any ghost. It is, I mean, obviously, hopefully I'm choosing.

But I think that if almost any ghost came towards me. Is it, is it, is Casper allowed because he's technically. Baby. No. But he's been a baby for, but he's been a baby for 200 years. You're being a real Stephen Collins over here. I don't know. Listen, wow.

I thought we didn't like child predators here at. It's fun. But if he's got the brain of a 200-year-old and a body, ooh. Actually, this is making, this is gross to me out. Wait, Natalie, now you're talking. Wait a second. I'm a bitch for Amy Sherman Palladino.

Ooh, okay, all right. Let's hear it. What if she does a Mrs. Doubtfire, but it's the husband dresses up as the Phantom lives in the walls. Oh, that's kind of fun, which, weirdly enough, is a section of Riverdale. There is a portion of time where one of the mother does live in the walls. And she's pretending to be a ghost doll that has come to life. But in reality, what ends up happening is that her mother was just hiding in the walls and making the doll move.

You know, like Riverdale does. When people ask, why do I have a Riverdale tattoo? I think that's usually one of the plot lines that comes up of like, how could I not? they thought it was a haunted doll but really was the mother living in the walls? That's a show for me. Well, well, we're talking about fuck choices. And we've got Natalie here.

I want to share with you this headline that Jackie sent over. I'm going to read the headline in full. It's from page six. Fran Dresher has a rotation of friends with benefits. Quote, I'm Fran Dresher. What do you think? So this is just an article about how Fran Dresher is 66, I believe.

Hotation! Hotation! She's got a rotation. She was married to a man for a long time who they divorced in the 90s because he likes men. And they're still besties, which I love. Which I love. And now she's just sleeping around and having a great time. And we know that Jackie has modeled herself quite extensively on Fran Dresher.

I'm Frang Drescia. What do you think? What do you? You think, Natalie. You do not have a hotation. Man, I used to, though. Oh, baby, get out that Rolodex. But that was a problem.

It was back when Rolodex is still existed. That's when I was having the rotation. Rolodex is old. It makes me think of the Rolodex killer. In our neighborhood, in our old Brooklyn neighborhood, we found out that the Rolodex killer, the guy that made us the godfather sandwiches, that we were all so obsessed with,

that we would get these sandwiches every time we were hung over. And then we found out that he was pulled in because he was the Rolodex killer, which is like a big mob person. And so that guy used to make my sandwiches. Was it? As my cold of fame, baby. How are the sandwiches? Yeah, were they good enough to keep on to jail?

It was still the best sandwich I've ever. And man, that killer knew how to make a good sandwich. It was never too soggy. It was always, like you could get like four meals out of the sandwich. for $8. Didn't, am I having a fever dream? Or did Frangessor have a sitcom that was that plot? Where she was working in a bridal shop and flushing queens and her boyfriend picked her out and crushing scenes?

The, uh, did she, her husband is gay. Oh, really? I'm looking at them. I mean, it would make sense because they would, they did continue on to make stuff together. So it would make sense. Well, no, not her, not the guy from the nans. any a different man that she I swear to God this happened

There is a show called Living with Fran There's a show called happily divorced And she had happily divorced I'm pretty sure that's Is that so she's living out her real life in that I guess It would make sense because like they openly We're very much like we're correct Enjoy it yes okay yeah

With John Michael Higgins Ooh Rita Moreno Okay One more day without having a stroke Created by Dresher and her ex-husband Peter Mark Jacobson See this is what I'm saying. All right.

By TV land for a 10-episode order. It premiered in 2011. What was it about? Drescher performed the weddings. Oh, she's a florist. Okay. Whose marriage ends after 18 years when her husband reveals that he's gay,

but he can't afford to move out, causing them to try to be happily divorced while living under one roof. Wow. It goes without saying that the whole living together and being happily divorced thing isn't as easy as they anticipate. Natalie, you were so great.

I don't know why I knew that or why I watched it. Wow, yeah. Because I loved the nanny. I watched, maybe I checked it out and then it was like not for me, but... Well, Natalie and I have definitely watched Beautician and the Beast together. We've definitely...

Still love it. ...gone through that. That's why I knew Natalie would really enjoy the fact that she has a current rotation because Fran Dresher deserves it. That bitch, not that I'm saying that only tight bitches deserve a rotation because I tell you what, I was as loose as a goose

when I had my rotation. But you watch beautician and the Beast. All right. Yeah. Maybe it's a little long, okay? Maybe there's a couple of accents in there that are very generalized, okay? And you're so, so they're humanizing a dictator who's probably committed a bunch of genocides. Lots of genocides, I'm sure. But he's so cute.

But like, he's also a distant father, but he's trying. He's trying. Come on, guys. He's trying. Petition and the Beast. He's Titian and the Beast. I remember you talking about this at the time. No, not at the time.

It's from 1997. I remember you talking about this on page seven. Every couple of years, I go back through a cycle of being obsessed with the petition of the beast. Okay. Well, it just depends on how sad my brain is, you know? It depends on how much I need that midriff, you know? Because baby she's got a midriff. Good Lord.

You said questionable accents. And that brings me to the next thing we really wanted to make sure to talk with Natalie Jean about, which is. We don't want to keep talking about Chad Hanks here at this show. It just keeps happening. Sometimes people are like, why are you still talking about this thing? And listen, if they're in the papers,

we're going to talk about him. And Chet Hanks is having a run. He's having a press run. Oh, you mean you better run. Like the devil's on your tear, like you broke out of jail, like a big storm's coming, better run. Like a wild moose dang, like a bullet train.

Let me tell you, so you're running out of time. She'll be coming for you. There's no time to walk. You're being wrong. But looking at me. Ro. Ro. We can't play the song, so I decided to listen to it and give a generalized idea of the song,

the music, Something Out West, aka Chet Hanks' new band, what kind of music they are dropping. Now, MJ, he wanted to bring up the trailer. I'm sorry, not trailer, the music video. I can't believe that you could sing it because I've watched it so many times and it is not a memorable. How did you memorize that? I just hear it one time. I'm like a dolphin in that respect, you know? But just for Chet Hank's songs?

Only for Chet Hank's songs. And he is putting out music with a band called Something Out West. It is a country band and it does sound similar to what I just sang. And yes, if you were wondering if in the music video he has Tom Hanks show up and both of them dress as Forrest Gump and then Chet, even though Tom Hanks is also dressed as Forrest Gump, Chet then redos a bunch of scenes from Forrest Gump in the music video. And I understand because the song is called You Better Run, so. But it's funny.

It's weird. Are you sure he's not having a lark? Well, is he japing? I think that he thinks he's having a lark. And I think that the rest of us are left wondering, is this lark? okay. You know, I think that that's, that's the problem. Isn't that sort of his brand?

Isn't that kind of, is this okay? Yeah. Is this okay? I'm just going to do it. Is that fine? Unfortunately, the answer has been no pretty consistently. Yeah, the answer is always no. Props to the many, many, many people who sent this clip to me over the weekend.

I really appreciated watching it so many dozens of times. He's, I appreciate a nepo baby who embraces their nepo babiness. I think that it's, he needed. to do something with Tom Hanks at some point. Honestly, the fact that they're even sitting on a bench together, I think is probably good for their relationship because we know that Tom struggles with how to embrace Chet. And we as we all do. Yes.

We did. As we all do. And we did have your husband, Henry Zabrowski, on the show a couple weeks ago. And he is in the, in the, he's rooting for Chet, I would say. And I think he's definitely most. anti-Colon. And I will say that, not to defend my brother. I know if there's anything, he's anti-Colon Hanks. And I think just because he's too clean. Yeah. Yeah, he's annoyed by Colin Hank, so therefore he has to root for Chet. And we got to watch out for those ones who act like

they're too good for you. So like, what are he hiding? Exactly. Why doesn't he have a patois? I mean, they were raised the same. I'm sure Colin Hanks has a patois. Maybe it's something he has to get over. So we wanted to see, we've got, we've got, you know, two of the Zabrowski household members. views on Chet, but we want to see yours, Natalie, in terms of, you know, what I really want Chet Hanks to be a good man. And I, there's fewer and fewer pieces of evidence that that's what's happening. You know what it is? You know what the, it's, okay, this is what, this is what I can't get behind with Chetis. The contrarianism that he's exhibiting is annoying for like a man who's, I think, pushing 50? How old is he? No, he's, he's 34. Oh, he's a base. He's amazing.

That's a little baby boy. What do you mean? He should be responsible, more responsible person. He's just a tiny little baby boy. Is he actually only 34? He is only 34, but that is unfortunately still old enough to... Yes, it's too old. It is too old.

I thought it was more like Kanye's age, and I was just like, I can't handle these fucking men. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, 34 is, you still got some time to be making mistakes, but your patois days should be behind you at that point. Certainly. Oh, certainly. I do think, I think that there is something to be said about being funny when you are America's sweetheart son. Yes. I do feel as though we need to just not be doing.

Okay. Oh, I mean, she loves Chet. I know it. You love Chet. And you're over going to just splurt. You're going like, oh, I wish I could say how much I love the accent. My mind is going, I'm not on spun. I'm on page seven.

only fun things happen here. I know you can talk about monstrous things here. Yeah, you can struggle. I see Visere, you're allowed to say it. We started with the seventh heaven theme song. You know, today it's like no rules just right. He spoke to be contrarian at an anti-vax rally, and that pissed me the fuck off during COVID.

As it definitely should. That's a shame. If I had known that, I wouldn't have been rooting for white boy summer as hard as I had been, you know? I don't, I don't hate a. contrarian. I do kind of a lot. Actually, I'm kidding. I do hate them a lot of the time. I hate when you are doing stuff just to be like, like, so people go like, ugh. At least with Chad, I will say he can do it in a way that's funny. So that's good. He keeps us on our toes in a way that most contrarians are so predictable. You know, most contrarians think they're doing something very interesting and they are doing the most predictable reactionary. Like there's nothing more consistent than reactionaries like, you know, than most. contrarians. Chet,

you never know what you're going to get, you know, like even this music video. Oh, like a box of chocolates? Oh my God. Cycle back, Forest Cup.

I also feel like it would not, I would not be intrigued by him at all for a moment if he wasn't Tom Hanks' son. If he was just some joe shamo, I wouldn't give a fuck about this. Like,

I would want him gone. I don't think he'd have the funds to be Chet Hanks without his dad, but that's me, I'm just saying. You never know, where they get their money from, though. I feel like sometimes it's like if you're

doing things like that, I'm scared of whatever you're doing to get your money and Lord knows what happens. Wait, wait, so wait, how is Colin Hanks? Isn't he older? He's older, yeah. Do they have the same mom? I'm on it. I'm on it. Yeah, Rita Wilson. I think that, I think so. Oh, yeah, Rita Wilson, bang. Collin Hanks is 47.

Wow, that is a big age guy. So there's 13 years apart in age. You know what? I'm angry at Colin Hanks for looking the way that he does at the age of 47. He looks great. Yeah, Chester Hanks, age 34. Yeah, that's a bigster. That is also a huge thing.

The fact that his name is Chester and he goes by Chet, I think that said everything about him a long time ago. Also, it makes so much more sense they're so far apart of age and why they're so different. They say you're raised by different parents. They say that all siblings are raised by different parents because by the time you get to the next kid, you've changed. Your family unit has changed. So, yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. And a lot of times I feel like the youngest gets the worst version. Thank you. Thank you. It's really difficult for us and remember. But next time you're calling Ruthie a bitch, I want you to remember sometimes we have to be a bitch. As the youngest of the family, we're the ones that have to keep it real, okay? Yeah, it's weird because then like, you know, you think about the family dynamics for the eldest kid who the parents don't know what they're doing.

So there's a lot of mistakes being made. Of course. I know my parents were my mom is like, you can't have cereal with marshmallows in it. And that's, you have to have just only the purest of foods and all this stuff. Which is good because we were over here eating the snack well, devil's food cake. Henry and I bring up like the diet cookies that we were supposed to eat all the time, which I'm fairly sure was just. Oh, I remember a snack well. Yeah, I think it was all just, right?

It's asper. Yeah. Oh, yeah, just aspartame. But then by the time my baby brother, who's 10 years younger than me, came around. He was drinking Coke out of his bot. You know what I mean? It was nobody. He just got, unfortunately, they were just like.

whatever. Just do whatever you're. You really are the DJ Tanner. You have the big age gap. Yeah. You're the Colin. You're the Colin Hanks of your family. Whoa.

Don't tell Henry. See, maybe this is why I have a problem with Chet. Yeah. This is what it is. It's the older sister in you just like looking down upon him being like, don't do that. Why are you doing? Don't ask dad for that.

Like you can feel Colin Hanks looking at everything that Chad Hanks does. Just being like, Jesus Christ. Did you see what my brother was being again? Did you see what he did today? I can only imagine. I'm the bummer. I'm the DJ. I'm the one who's going to ruin everybody else's fun.

Hey, Mrs. DJ. Do they have no other siblings? I think it's just a two of them. I think that there's four of them. Let me find out. Who are the Lost Hanks? I thought that they're- Oh, there's a girl, right?

There's a daughter. Yes. There's Chet Hanks. There's Truman Hanks. There's Troom and Hanks and then Elizabeth Ann Hanks. Truman is the one that we forget about. Tom Hanks. You doors.

with your history. You know, that's the thing. I'm not a middle child. Look up Truman eggs. Looks like fat face Tom Hanks. It looks like there's a face app on Tom Hanks. It does. It's fat face Tom Hanks.

I think that there must be a lot of middle children in their cars screaming right now that the people who actually have it hardest are the middle children like Truman. You're right. You're right. You know. Nobody cares about Truman. I don't disagree with them. I think my, I know my, no, I'm not going to talk.

My middle brother. But I feel like he got left behind. lot in the middle. I do think middle, middle children have it really rough. I will agree with that. Yeah, but I mean, not that I'm even bringing up my brother right now, but I definitely am, but it's like, what do you do when he's a middle but also the oldest?

Because of the age gap. And then it's like, that's really difficult too. And kind of like, like second family a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's both. He's both. He's like middle and older. And only boy. Which, it's a lot. It's a lot. It's almost like,

oh, what is this? Brain fucked or something. then no, he's fine. No, it's all made of jello up there in the good way. So, hey, if you were in seventh heaven, you would be the Jessica Beal, though, right? Well, not in level of beauty, but another one of course. I dare say that's not true. Yes, she's a stunning woman. She is.

We are rooting for her to divorce Justin Temper Lake as soon as possible. I got excited because I thought that they were getting divorced, but then I mixed her up with Jessica Alba, different Jessica. I forget to. Yeah. Wait, so she's the one married Justin Timberley. Jessica Beal. Jessica Beal.

Correct. But now I'll remember her because she's, I kept forgetting she was the seventh heaven. On the trauma show. There's the diaper Jessica and the seventh heaven, Jessica. Sounds like she's a piece of shit. Well, there's a diaper because she's a big old turn. Why is she a diaper, Jessica? She still has diapers.

She does sound like an insult. Yeah, but she's a diaper lady. She's a diaper woman. Is it a positive? Do you like diaper? Jessica? They're fine. The diapers are needlessly expensive. That is not what my sister's name is. Okay.

Do not call her diaper, Jessica. How dare you? I got to make sure I'm talking about the right Jessica again. Yeah, she's the right Jessica. Yeah, with the honest company. She makes like she makes baby bubble bath and stupid diapers. Oh, wait, her company's honesty.

Honest. Yes. Wow. She got to be rich as hell. Oh yeah, she's killing it. She's doing a good job. Yeah, that's that Jessica. And then Jessica Beal Seventh Heaven. Is she doing any bad? Does she... I think she's just boring. I think you just literally can't pick her out of a lineup.

Jessica Alba. Jessica Alba. Oh, you've been just... I mean, still. That's the thing. What Jessica Beal does... Beautiful women. As far as I can tell is be unhappily married to Justin Timberlake. Okay. Yes. And Jessica Alba does make diapers. What I liked about, by

the way, that Hollywood Demon Show, just to talk about that briefly, is they did a random retrospective of Seventh Heaven. I was like, oh, this is also another thing I enjoy watching, which is just like a breakdown of a TV show. Of the show. Which is what they did for a lot of that very long episode.

And I didn't remember that she got kicked off for being in a sexy magazine. A slut. She took a, but like even, that was so weird. Okay, sorry, quick sidebar into Stephen Collins. That was so weird. But it makes so much sense because Jessica Beale

essentially does this like sexy photo shoot, even though apparently it was not like nude. It wasn't like she was like wearing almost nothing. It was just sexier than her character. But she did this photo shoot. And who called it out that she was the age of 17? Stephen Collins.

He was like, I can't believe my daughter on the show at a minor would take pictures like this. Meanwhile, he's fucking, I'm not going to get into what he was in the middle of doing. But it wasn't good. And then they downgraded her role in the show because of it. Because like she's supposed to be.

Is she supposed to be an idol for young children? How dare? The way we were treating like young women stars at that time in the aughts was disgusting. Yucco, yucco. Well, especially, man, we were just reading Woman and Me over on the Jackie, not Jackie's Book Club, over on Celebrities over on our Patreon. And it is, talk about, it's like that back to back of man, we just watched all of this stuff happening. I mean, the 18 years old thing was a joke, you know.

I mean, it's very interesting that Stephen Collins, the pedophile, like you said, Jackie, it was the one who got hung up on the fact that she did this sexy photo shoot at the age of 17. Because as we all remember, people who are our age, remember the countdown clock for Mary Kate and Ashley turning 18. But it was like, it was just, I mean, you know, obviously hit me baby. She was 16. Oh, sorry. Real quick. Apparently, when we were talking about this the other day, when we were talking about it in comparison to Millie Bobby Brown, apparently there was a countdown to Millie Bobby Brown turning 18.

So don't worry. Where? Nothing has, on the address. But I think that there was like an online, like people were doing it. I know, but still like it's so disgusting that it was still that big of a thing. It wasn't that. Totally. Yeah.

Somebody on our Patreon was like there actually was this like informal, but this is like a weird arbitrary distinction. But there was like a formal countdown. Oh yeah. No, I know what you mean. I know what you mean? You know what I mean? Like one that was not completely vilified by normal people count down. It was like a socially sanctioned the countdown clock.

to when you can fuck the children twins. Yeah. You know? And so it is fucked up that there was a countdown clock for Millie Bobby Brown. But I think, but that's, you know, you can find any disgusting thing on Reddit, right? Like, or not even Reddit anywhere on the Reddit. It's very helpful news nowadays. But it really is.

Thanks, Reddit. I appreciate it, honestly. Fomwa, man. Fomawm gives me a lot. Yes. Oh my God, which, by the way, Jackie, next, when we do second helpings, we have to talk about Mike White going on Andrew Sullivan's podcast. But whatever.

We are going to look into that. Also, I will say I did just look up the cover and I'm disgusted. I mean, I am yucked out. I will say it is for a 17 year old. It is very upsetting and they really should have. I didn't look at the picture. And now I have. And now I'm like, oh, she's 17 years old.

That is such. She's holding her tits in tiny underpants on the cover of a magazine. It's the ultimate male gaze of that time period. It is a maxim style. for men, not like, it's not a woman empowering. No, very exciting. Showing her body. It's definitely a, you put your teeth away.

Yeah, keep, we'll keep the knee puts away, so I can think about it. And you know, think about you're moving your hand. And she's the daughter in the past of family. Oh, good. But just like Brittany, what's so interesting, even watching the Hollywood scandal show, what does that, keep forgetting the damn name of it, Hollywood, what is it? Hollywood, what is it? Murder.

Hollywood demons. Deemons. Hollywood demons. It's what all of the sexualization of Britney Spears when she was still a teenager was framed as how dare Brittany make these choices, right? And I think that the fact that Jessica Beale got in trouble for what was almost 100% certainly decisions that were made above her pay grade. And I'm not trying to take her agency away, but just again, legally, you can't consent to

that type of thing when you're 17. So it's so weird that then the attack was to her, right? Not to her agent who booked the photo shoot for her manager. If you weren't growing up in the aughts, it was awful for femme presenting people. It was awful. Like it was disgusting to grow up during that time and be a young woman at that time. It was fucking nasty, dude. It is very interesting, too, watching the discourse because now, of course, young people are, you know, the fashion cycle is coming back around.

So, of course, a lot of 90s fashion is coming back, which, and a lot of OO's fashion is coming back, which please keep it back there. But it is interesting to see how many articles are now talking about, like, but think of what has changed from the 90s. And I hope that these young people also understand that, like, the culture of talking about people's bodies were very different. Everything was very different. So, like, while, yes, let's dress like it's the 90s, let's not hope for the 90s to return, guys. This is also very big on, to go into your realm a little bit, Natalie, the like parenting Instagram. There are a million gujillion videos that are like, I'm parenting my kids like a 90s kid. And what they mean is like they play outside unattended and they don't, whatever.

Are they also filming their child and monetizing them on the wall? That's not 90s at all. As they're literally, as they are filming their child and monetizing, it's like, I'm giving my child a 90s, It's like, you mean like being abused at church, you know, like, and not being able to tell anyone. Yeah. Like, like, like, like, like, there was so, there was just no supervision ever. Yeah, no. I, I feel like there's many things you could look at in the 90s and appreciate.

Parenting is maybe not the one from them, but, but we were free, Natalie. I did love being free. Think of how much cheaper. It was so much cheaper for our parents to just put us in front of the television. Like, my mom didn't. You didn't have to pay for help. We just watched television. I mean, I was, yeah, I was on the streets.

That's the thing. I mean, there's, there's, when you say 90s childhood, you could mean completely unattended in the street or you could mean completely unattended in front of the television. But unattended. The real lack of supervision is the thing that they're fetishizing. And I get it because to some extent kids today are over-scheduled, but I don't know if over-scheduled. I mean, they're not, I agree that they're over-scheduled, but there's this conflating

of supervision with schedule. And it's like, guys, I think that in general, it's good that we don't, like, leave children alone with adult men at church as much as we used to, you know? Yeah, there was a lot of that going on. But you're supposed to confess. Guys, you got to tell the old man how many times you called your brother a rat fuck. And if you don't tell him, how is he going to get you in the room alone? How many times was it, Jackie? How many times was it?

Oh, come on. I called him a rat fuck all the time because Henry is a rat fuck and we all know it. You know what was one of my favorite things about covering the LDS Church on this season of Spun was learning that their bishops aren't actual clergy? They are just guys from the church. So they're guys from the church. They should trust them. The guy you're telling, you have to tell all your sex secrets to it could also be your plumber. You know, and if that's not community, I don't know what is.

I think it's great that, you know, oh, you could just tell anybody the guy that runs the bodega. Just let them know, you know. Whenever you got to get it out, you got to get it out. You know? It is funny. MJ and Natalie and I were talking before we started recording how we are on such different sides of the world of Mormonism. Yeah. That MJ and I are so steeped in the world of like Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and Mom Talk and I love sister wives.

I'm sorry, MJ does too, but I don't want to always group you in the world of being tethered to sister wives from the last 17 years. I haven't made it through all 22 seasons of it like you have. And I never will. No, no, no, no. It's not for most people. If you haven't done it already, I don't encourage you to do it now. I know the Cliffs notes. Do people know Cliffs Notes are? Oh, the question. They must. Everyone still cheats on their essay. Well, you can't cheat on your essays anymore. But you can jot TBT it. Oh, you know with the chat, GBT. Everybody's telling me about all the things they use with the chat, GBT. And I'm just like, get it off. Stop using it. Stop using it. I'm scared of it. I live in fear. Guys, I think that everyone should be living more in just brutal anxiety and fear. Never. trust, never smile. These are the things that we learn from Mormonism. Way ahead of you. Yes. And then you, it's just funny because every time I want to make a joke about Mormonism,

Natalie's just like, it's not a joke. Do you realize what they're doing? Oh, really? You're thinking you're having a fun time. Yeah. We're having a wrong. Facts why you shouldn't ever smile again. Meanwhile, MJ and I are about to start reading bad Mormon over on Jackie's book club. Keep all Jackie's book club. Celebrities. Celebrities. We're so excited. She's just a bitch who hates her friends. And she also hates Mormonism. And we're going to chat about it. Oh, I'm glad for it. I know that people really love her.

I'd like to, I want to know more about the fun side. I cover mom talk stuff in a different realm. Like there's several different Mormon mom talk realms. You guys are in the more fun, spicy side of it. We're in the one where they all fuck each other. I'm in the more Ruby Frankie side. Exactly. Not pulling their kids.

Oh, which and MJ just started watching the Ruby Frankie docus series. Oh, yeah. I'm immersed in that. I listen to the podcast about her and now I'm watching the docu series. But yeah, and then I'm cleansing myself with Heather Gay's book. It is the entire last podcast network right now is just steeped in Mormonism. But I am in parent Instagram and the Mormons have an extraordinary degree of control over parent Instagram right now. Well, I mean, if you want to learn more about it, we're covering that pretty extensively on spun because there is reasons for that.

They're so good at it, like making the content. I'm not saying it's good and not in a moral way. but it is happening. And so now parents in Brooklyn are comparing themselves to the Mormons because they have cameras all over their house and they film their kids, you know, waking up from a nap.

And then I look at it and I'm like, I should be a good parent too. You know, the Mormons are exercising complete control over us. You're already a much, much, much better parents, MJ, especially because you don't have a camera in your child's bedroom. But how have you thought about it? Like, think of the amount of

content. Like, they're always making content. And if we could just clip it, if we could just use some of it. That's his extra content, guys. Your kids are cute, but that's why you have to protect them. My kids are like Bad Girls Club, though. If I had a camera in my kids' bedroom, it would just be the child version of Bad Girls Club. I literally had to drag them out of a party the other day telling them, this is just like the Bad Girls Club. So I can't do it. I love referring to them as the Bad Girls Club. They're the Bad Girls Club. But you're like, but the show, I'm not calling you bad. I'm not trying to give you a conflict.

I'm just talking about the show. You're an inherently good person. We only, we do bad things sometimes, but you're good people. But this is like the show called the bad girls. It is very funny watching. It doesn't roll off the tongue as much. MJ talking to the cats whenever we're playing the Sims and MJ is just saying the cats, like, you're a bad cat.

And then MJ will look at me and say, I don't usually say that to the cats and I especially don't say that to the children, but I just need you to know that sometimes the cat leaves, like, wakes me up. And I don't want to say that the cat is a bad cat. and was like, but sometimes the cat is a bad cat. And you're allowed to say sometimes the cat's a bad cat. I can shame the cats because they don't speak English, but I cannot shame the children. Yes.

And so just put it all on the cats, everybody, put it all on the cats. Or we can put it all on the list, depends on what you're into. Sing to me. Who's on the list? Jack Gay, got to have that list. Adults in teen movies, who were totally right. Uh-oh. It just made me think of you just because up top, it says Empire Records.

As a teen, it's a coming of age comedy. As an adult, it's a life lesson about how little control you really have as a manager. Also, don't give a person who tries to shoot up your store a job. Yeah, probably don't. Although I am down for rehabilitating, I think that, you know, people should be able to get jobs. Even after being a part of the penal system, but I do feel... Maybe like, not the next day. Not the next day.

Maybe wait a little bit of time before maybe let them grow. Wait, wait, I have to say real quick, I love that you brought it up just because, Because next week is Rex Manning Day. It's Rex Manning Day. Oh, no. I didn't bring it up on the show, but I will say I've been thinking about watching Empire Records on Rex Manning Day because Jeff has never seen Empire Records. And I was like, oh, well, Rex Manning Day is coming up.

So I feel like that is the perfect day to watch Empire Records. I don't know what he'll think. Because if you see it as an adult, I don't know if it'll be fun still. I'm curious. I'm curious to see how an adult would enjoy the movie for the first time. I got a quiz both of you. Quiz. MJ, are you an Empire Records person?

I liked Empire Records. I haven't really revisited a lot, but I liked it at the time, yeah. Okay. I just was wondering if there was a character who was a crush of yours, because I feel like it defines your personality. Gotcha. I mean, you know. Do you know? You know mine.

Why? Ethan Embry. Oh, yeah. I'm Ethan Embry, too. Yeah, I mean, obviously it's Ethan Embry. I don't know if you've seen recently what Ethan Embry looks like. Well, yeah, of course. Lord, that's like getting in on the bottom floor of a really beautiful skyscrap.

Oh, yeah, he is pretty. He is pretty. Yeah, I would go with him. He is pretty. If Toby McGuire is there, I have to go with Toby McGuire. That's, he was, he captivated my, uh, my mind at this time. But I also don't remember him in Empire Records. No, he's not in it.

I don't think. He's on the cast list, but I'm like, he's on the cast list. What? I also don't really, as Andre, I don't remember. I don't. No, that's not Toby McGuire. That's what it says on. Maybe it's another guy named Toby McGuire.

It could be. And maybe they gave the wrong picture. I mean, especially. Which what is he in Empire Records? Yeah, Ethan Embry is who I'm going with as well. Johnny, Mark with the C. Especially after Mark L. Wahlberg. Mark L. Wahlberg, who is the host of Temptation Island, who is not Mark Wahlberg.

So maybe these things happen. Yeah, maybe it's a different Toby McGuire. What is? Because I feel like I also, I'm married to a, I'm married to a Gen Xer, you know. And so for us, like the. slightly earlier, like the say-anything genre of film. Oh, I love a say-anything though. Yes.

But that's also one where you revisit it and you're like, the boombox thing is maybe a little bit. Yeah, you know, but it's fine. A lot of stuff from that, really anything, I feel like 10 years after anything comes out, you go like, oh, no, oh. Yeah. You didn't realize.

Oh, don't do that. But I will say that rotten tomatoes gives it a 35% and that is what I'm saying fuck right off about. 35% get fuck. And by our records? Empire Records. Why? Get out of here.

This movie is so wonderful. I still watch it all the time. Yeah. And also, I need to circle back and say, if I really had my druthers, it would be both Liv Tyler and Ethan Embry at the same time. Oh, Liv Tyler. I mean, just because Liv Tyler, I would do absolutely anything. Oh, la, la.

But, man, oh, baby. Anyway, sorry, I will jump back into my list. Did you ever watch the Lizzie McGuire movie, either one of you guys? Were you a Lizzie? No. I don't have you Lizzie McGuire people. And Nat, you might have been a little too old. Yeah, I was passing.

Did you ever fall into it? I was also too old, but I watched it anyway. You know what I mean? Like, I watched Lizzie McGuire secretly at home after school, even though I was, I was like, I think I was a freshman and they were in middle school. So it wasn't way too old, but I was embarrassed by watching it, but I watched anyway. Everything's embarrassing in ninth grade. Yes, you're right.

It's just an embarrassing situation. And I did see the Lizzie McGuire movie in the drive-in. So I am familiar with it. Oh, okay. Hell yeah. You're just going to spring that on our. Wow. See, that's embarrassing.

I think that like the Lizzie McGuire movie, it's just funny because I remember even at the time thinking about this, but this is just a person essentially saying they go to Italy and they're just let loose. Like they're all going to high school. There's young people. So this is just all adults looking at these young movies just being like, what are you talking? about like the movie Labyrinth. Labyrinth. Even as a teen, I thought Sarah was being insufferably dramatic. I had to watch this movie for a school project

about the hero's journey so the whole class could discuss it as a group. During this discussion, most of the class sided with her saying that it was wrong to make a teenager babysit her brother once a week, that it was parentification. Absolute nonsense. But also she was a teenager. She can watch

the... Oh, she's super... No, she's obnoxious. She's very obnoxious. But also she can watch a kid. Like, I don't think that's parentification? Yeah, I don't think that's parentification for once a week. I think that's fine. I think that, again, if we're talking about the Baldwin's and the fact that that oldest kid feels responsible for all of those kids all the time, then I think we're talking to parentification. But once a week, and especially if you're getting paid for it, that's fine.

I don't, I question how you can have that many children in general without involving parentification. I think it's the thing. I think it kind of is baked into the cake at that point. Right. Well, especially because she's 11 years old, but she's She acts like she's, you know, 21. Like she really brings such an elevated, which of course some parents would be like, see, she's more mature. So I have to treat her like this. And it's like, no, she's still 11.

No, I disagree with that shit, man. I'm going to put out a hot statement here. And I think it's really, if half of them any kids, it's really selfish. I think so. I guess you know what they've got the money for it. And don't worry, there's the Nick Cannons out there that are still wanting to have more. And I think, wow. A fetish.

Wow. He's a fetish. I'm in the Sound of Music camp where I think having all that amount of kids looks fun. But I know that it's just. I love the Von Traps, MJ. I love the Von Traps. I love the box car children. I love a big squad.

Sure. But I do think it's probably hard to do well most of those families. Alec Baldwin himself comes from a family of six. And it sounds like it didn't go well for him. No, it didn't. I feel like six is even reasonable. How many kids of the Baldwin? I mean, yeah, Hilaria.

Seven. I feel like six is like a big stop. You enter into a weirder world once you get past six. Yeah. It doesn't have to inherently be bad, but at that point, any semblance of a normal life is out the window. I would just assume it's got to be difficult if you have more children than you do seats in your car. Like I feel like that once you hit,

that threshold. It's like, I mean, what do we do? We got to take two cars everywhere we go. And I think there's just this level of if you have more than those amount of children, you have to work so hard to not make the eldest children not have a childhood at all. Like you would have to be really dedicated to that. Otherwise, you're just putting your child into servitude. You know, you'd have to like really work. Yeah, I say they better do it and decrease the surplus population. Where is the child labor? I've been screaming this. The children.

What is it? The children crave the minds. The children love the minds. The children yearn for the minds. Yes, they yearn for the minds. What is that from? It's just online because somebody pointed out that children love Minecraft. They love minds.

They're so excited that the movie's coming out and I feel like I'm happy for them. But no, I want to talk about, do you guys remember? And I don't know if I was just absolutely obsessed with this movie. the movie Some Kind of Wonderful. It is Eric Stoltz, Mary Stuart Masterson, and Leah Thompson. And it is one of those like John Hughes movies from the late 80s that I was in love with Eric Stoltz. No, I never got on that. 87, 1987.

Yes. And so this movie was all about Mary Stewart Masterson was like the tomboy friend of Eric Stoltz. She, of course, was completely in love with Eric Stoltz. Maybe I was feeling it a lot. but of course Eric Stoltz is in love with Leah Thompson who's the good girl popular girl but Mary Stewart Masterson is like to rough around the edges she you know rides a motorcycle but she's in love with him but she doesn't want to like ever say it and at one point in the movie for like as a way of like romancing the popular girl Eric Stoltz decides to spend his college

tuition on diamond earrings for Leah Thompson and that's supposed to be. be the crescendo of this like romance part of this movie of like oh my god and then looking back as an adult what are you talking about can you imagine like watching your child who had like saved up a bunch of money for their college tuition and then they waste it on somebody they want to bang in high school i'd flip out well yeah that's so said what a terrible lesson but watching it when i was younger was like Oh my God, I wish someone would take the college tuition in Bremley, Diamond, evenings. I'm looking at pictures of Eric Stoltz right now, Jackie. I'm a little bit surprised that you thirsted for him so much.

He's a bit of a, you know, he's a little ginger. I had a, uh, giving. He directed me once, and I had a weird and watch a. I know. I know. It has helped me not have a crush on Eric Stoltz anymore, unfortunately. Did you ever thirst? Did you guys ever throw, I'm looking down the list and I see karate kid.

Did you guys have a Ralph Machio face? No, not like a crush, but I did like karate. Yeah, yeah. I did. My issue was because Eric Stoltz was in Little Women. He was in the Christian Bale version of, and he was the teacher. And so it's like it was, like, I was in love with Professor Bear. I was in love with John Brooke.

I was just in love with the world of little women. I got it. That makes sense. That's fine. No, you know, everybody's got a movie where you're like, I don't know, you know, he just got me. I just wanted someone that was going to be good, you know, and he was so, oh, he was so open. He was so open with Lori.

All right. I won't talk about. I love how much you're trying to defundge your love of him. You know what's not open, Jackie, are my eyes, but are you still going on your list? I don't have to. You can go blind. My eyes are closed and I'm going. Blind.

Items. Ah, we can't see them. All right. Natalie, are you ready for this? I don't know if I told you that in blind items, you will be guessing alongside me. Please. So are you ready for this?

You didn't. Oh my God, I'm so scary. You didn't tell me. Yeah, you go flying by the senior pussy pants, baby. I should have introduced. I mean, I guess they're all pussy pants, but it depends on, you know.

I should have introduced Natalie also as a former co-host of page seven because you were here so much, but it was so long ago was when I had my kids. And I can't remember, I guess we were doing blinds back then, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, but I was merely stepping. I couldn't stand in your shoes. I was merely stepping in.

While you were creating children, creating lives. That was when you carried me. Oh, you're like Jesus. I will give you a little hint. And then you guys are going to guess. And this one is right up the thematic alley of Spun. Everyone has, but in a fun way, if that's possible. Okay.

It will make sense. All right. Stephen Collin. Yeah, this famous pedophile. No. Everyone has always wanted these two crime-fighting television stars to hook up in real life. They are both married, but fans are going to fan. The actress has been a no for decades, though, after she saw our actor hook up with a barely legal assistant.

I mean, I know what I think it is. What do you think? I have a guess, but I hope it's not great. What do you think, Natalie? I was thinking David Duke. Havney and Jillian Anderson. It's a very good guess. It is a similar type of ship that people ship, but it is not that.

What were you thinking, Jackie? That is also what I was thinking. That's what you were thinking. Is it Mariska Hargatay and Christopher Maloney? It is Marisha Harkertaget. Did you date a barely legal name? No! Allegedly, allegedly.

Allegedly. She's awesome. It doesn't say not legal. It does say, Barely legal, but that is the alleged... It is... How long ago? It says that she's been a no on him for decades.

Okay. So it sounds like this may have happened a long time ago. Maybe he wasn't that old then. Maybe so many decades ago that he was barely legal as well. Maybe he was also so young. Yeah, I love me some Christopher Maloney. Throw Gations at the Maloney. Don't take him away. Don't take him away from us.

I'm not trying to take away Christopher Maloney from anybody, man. How old was he when that show started? That show started in the early, in 1999. Okay, how old is Christopher Maloney? And he's 63 right now. We're literally trying to figure out, okay, if he's 63 right now. So he was 38? Oh, not barely legal.

That is older than you want. It isn't older than you want. If he is banging a young, he is banging a young. Okay. This is not a defense of him, but I will say in that time period, it was extremely normalized. Absolutely, not frowned upon. Can we also blame Oz, not Wizard of?

Like, I think maybe it's just, yeah, he was just on Oz. Maybe he was doing a method thing and he needed to be bad. Or maybe he did it for Law & Order Svue. He needed to like get inside the mind of a pervert. He needed to learn. I know. I know, I don't want this to be true. It's just a blind item.

We can assume that it's not true. I know. I'm broken. I know. As I barely legal who was dating a man in his 30s, nobody even bad at an eyelash. And it was awful. It's awful that nobody did. Nobody said a damn thing. Yeah. Everyone's like, have a great time. Yeah. In fact, everyone thought you were cool because you were doing it, which in reality is not true.

Because when you get older, you realize those guys are losers. It's disgusting. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this A-list actress is out-of-the-country filming and sure is spending a lot of time alone with the woman who is assisting the costume. designer. I wonder if the boyfriend of the actress knows. Oh. So A-List actress, okay. Spending a lot of time with a non-famous, um, costume design assistant person.

But, out of the country? She's out of the country. She's filming. And her very, very beloved A-list boyfriend, do we, do we, does he know? Ooh, so beloved. Are we talking Zendaya and Tom Holland? Oh my God. Yes. How dear. How dare. I don't believe it.

I don't. Although, watch the tape. But he better be consenting in a part of it. Yes, maybe he's like, you can step out with exactly one assistant to the costume designer. Yes. Yes. One person that is not as big as the two of us are so that, you know, it's not just blasted absolutely everywhere. Yeah.

But, I mean, she's even on his turf and is stooping around on his turf. I don't believe it. Yeah, I don't want to believe. This is, let's, the theme of this blind item session can be things we don't believe. Yeah. We don't believe. We don't believe Christopher Maloney is a badman. We don't believe Zendaya would step out of him.

No. I live in denial. All right. This one we might believe. This is our final blind. This A-list celebrity is an, is she an alist? Well, this is an A-List celebrity. She's an offspring.

And she, I think that means she's the offspring of an A-List. Celebrity. Anyway, she's an A-List celebrity. She's an offspring of a celebrity and she contacted a divorce attorney. The thing is, though, this divorce attorney also does probate, which handles conservatorships. So. Conservatives. So is it anyone that we know that is entangled up in a conservatorship? Not currently. She is a celebrity. She is reaching out to a lawyer. It could be for divorce or it could be for conservatorship. Is it, it's not Kim and? It's not Kim. Oh, that would make sense though. That would be, that would be. Oh, wait, she's not married to him anyway.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that does make sense. No, that's the person who we are thinking about the most right now with conservatorships. But this is another celebrity who is having a hard time. Lots of headlines about him struggling. Lots of headlines about him not doing so well right now. It's not Ben. It's not Ben.

No, younger than Ben. Not doing well. Not doing well. You know, I think that I would not call her an A-list celebrity. And I wouldn't call her parent an A-list celebrity either, but it is a famous family. Beaver. Oh, Beaver. Correct.

Whoa. Haley. Yes. Oh, wait. So, wait, the baby is the Nippo baby? Oh, Haley. Oh, because Haley's an offspring of a not-famous mold. That is not an A.

No. Who's a list? And Haley's not an Aist. Or is she? No. They're not referring to, I believe, Stephen Baldwin. Are they saying Stephen Baldwin is a Haldwin is a hailed celebrity? I don't think so.

I know. The Aist thing in there really through things. But she is, has contact, allegedly, has contacted a divorce attorney and couldn't. And the Bebs is, there is a lot of speculation of going on with whatever's happening with the Bebs. Because we know that there was a lot of, you know, a lot of issues. when it came to, like he was having a lot of health issues, and now it's seeming like he is getting a little wonky in the donkey.

A little wonky. He just needs help, you guys. He needs help. I do feel bad for him generally as a child who grew up, you know, because he was a child who grew up in that way. I can't say I can, I don't know what all he's done in his life, but I feel like he had a rough go. He had a real rough go.

And yeah, he, he, he, really, Right. We were just talking about them because he gets every headline about him as like, look at this fuckhead, you know, he's really. The internet, like the society is really turned against him. And don't get me wrong, he was a rat fuck for quite some time. Rat fuck is the word of the day. And I hope that you bring it and use it in your everyday life. He was a rat fuck for a while.

But it is very insane how society has like decided. and fuck him. And to such an extent that I'm like, wow, guys, wow, all right? And I mean, now it's like Haley Bieber unfollowed him, like somebody noticed that she wasn't following. Then every single headline is like, this piece of shit's wife won't even follow him. And it's like, hey, guys, why don't just calm down? And it's hard because he's just a little too old now to like fall back on like, I'm young

and I got fucked up, you know, as he said. But I've always been sympathetic to him. Yeah, for sure. Also, I'm in the mindset. If he's not committing crimes and hurting other people, we shouldn't be acting like he's like this monster. Totally. He's just like hurting himself. He's a fuck about. That's sad.

Yeah. It's sad. And it's like he's a father now and it's sad. It's like, I hope that he gets, like for many years our stance on Kanye on the show has been like, I hope he gets the help that he needs. Not now we're at a point that I, we don't even, we, I refuse to speak of him at any point anymore. I hope he gets in jail time. He's a bad person. That is a goodbye.

See you never. But Justin Bieber, I do feel like it's like, I feel like unless there's a bunch of stuff that has not been released about him. Right. Yeah. That people know. And there's possibly, there is possibly. But yeah, it's not Gatians. It's him being a fuck up. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that's the thing we're supposed to have taken away from the entire Brittany situation and we're still doing it. and we're still doing it. Totally. To young celebrities, just, like, throwing them on,

you know, like a pyre and just being like, actually, fuck you. Yes. Can't we focus on people? Why you acted so weird?

Yeah, exactly. Can we focus on, I know people like the distraction of just having something to, like, poke fun at,

but like, can we focus on people who've, like, actually done crimes to others and stuff instead? Yeah. Like, be mad at them.

That's what Hollywood demons is for. You know? Exactly. Over there, you want to want them. The real bad people, go watch Hollywood demons. Can you see again? I can see again.

Welcome back. Can I smell anything? Oh, I think you can smell what the Jack is given. That sounds very scary, and it sounds like I've got a steaming hot plate of shit for you, Natalie. No, it's time for Jackie Snackies. Oh, no, it's Jackie Snack is what Snack's you gonna eat today. And I was so excited, Natalie, because I've already told MJ about it because I was so excited because there were specifically two things that I saw that were limited edition out that I was like, I feel like Natalie would at least like to try them. And I found them both.

I hunted them down. And one, well, first, I'm going to give you, I know you're not a huge LaCroix fan, but LaCroix has a new flavor. And I want you to guess the flavor of the dream. Yeah, we're gamifying the snacks. It's going to be a guessing game. So Natalie, don't look at it. I'm going to open this can for you. Oh, yeah, you need a coozy.

Oh, wait. That was mine. Natalie doesn't like her stuff cold, so I made sure to keep her one. I also don't like my stuff cold. I like a room temperature drink. Same. Thank you. I hate cold water.

I hate it. So the mouth hole is near you. I've never met anyone else. I'm so glad that you like warm. Oh, my God, MJ. How do we never know this about one another? It's a limited edition. flavor. Room temperature

seltzer. How do you feel? How do you like it? What do you get? What notes are you getting? What notes are you getting like notes of like squirrels? Tannins. Yeah, tannins. I think it's got legs on it. It's wine. Grass? Mm, grass is kind of close. It is actually much closer than I thought. I'll just let you know everybody. If you were wondering, it is sunshine flavored. I was very curious at what the hell sunshine flavoring would be. And it seems like it's a lemon lime.

It's not bad. It just seems like there's almost no flavor to it whatsoever. But it is light and refreshing. What a cop-out sunshine flavor. I feel like they just had an extra chemical line around me. Like, this kind of tastes like dirt. Yeah, it's one. Sunshine.

I frankly can't believe that the flavor is sunshine. and you guessed grass. I think that's very impressive. I think that's really close and you did a really good job, Natalie. I'm going to say, I don't care for it. No, it's not the best. And LaGroi really has been falling off. I feel like Waterloo is really where it's at.

They're really coming out. I love Waterloo. Oh, the tropical fruit. Oh, the tropical fruit. Don't even. Oh, MJ, the tropical fruit. It's the best of all the flavors. Not my favorite, but love Waterloo.

I love Waterloo. Now, this one, Natalie, don't get angry with me. But it was just, it aligned so well. I couldn't say no to it. and that is Skinny Pop, Harry Potter Butter Beer-flavored Skinny Pop. Natalie loves Skinny Pop. I do. But I got you this Harry Potter butter beer flavored.

Now, weeks ago, I tried the butter beer flavored kisses. I screamed about that because it just tasted like butterscotch on butterscotch goosh. Not good. Not good. Not good. I am curious as to what this is going to bring us. We're going to try the butter beer. skinny pop. It's a popcorn with a

canceled author. It's a popcorn of a canceled author. Yeah. Also, fuck her. Fuck her. But this is like a light kettle crunch. It's like a light kettle corn. It's very light kettle corn. It's okay. I'm going to give it an okay. I'm going to say

regular kettle corns better. It is because it is covered in more of the caramel and all the stuff that makes it delicious. Yeah, you know, butter beer I think the best way to have butter beers in the park's hot, shot of whiskey. It's the best way to do it.

And they have usually at the universal parks, they have Fireball also, which is delicious. If you go at Christmas time, Fireball. Fireball in a hot butter beer is the fucking way to go. That sounds griscus. That's the thing. The butter beer is too sweet, but it makes sense if you mix, like in the way that we do on who's the bitch, we make our bitchsers, which is Buzzball mixed with wine. because it cuts the buzzball. Psychotic.

It cuts the buzz ball, MJ. MJ, I agree that is unhinged. It cuts the buzzball, guys. You need to get on the bitchsers. You can't say it cuts an alcohol. You're adding more alcohol. It's got to cut it. But also, last but not least,

I was very excited because this is limited edition. I don't know how it's going to taste. But this is fried green tomato lays potato chips. I've been seeing this being pushed everywhere. Natalie loves a fried green tomato. Do you love the film Fried Green Tomatoes?

Oh, God, you know I do. I have to confess, I haven't seen that since I was probably 10 years old. It's devastating. It's devastating. I feel like I should watch it again. I'll watch it any time. I love Mary Stewart Masterson. I as well, and I would watch it again, but I kind of want to watch Empire Records.

Yeah, now I need to rewatch Empire Records now that I don't. You definitely need to rewatch it. I can't even remember who I thirsted for. It means I obviously haven't seen. seen it in too long. You need it, but also Mary Louise Parker could do absolutely anything to me and I'd say

yes, mem, thank you, mem. What are we thinking, Natalie? These are top tier. These are delicious. I actually get fried green tomatoes out of it. Fried green tomatoes from a chip. Now I've heard everything. Wow. You know what it is? You know what it is? I really

noticed that flavor and this might be a hot take, guys. I feel flavor on a way. Waivay is better than flavor on a not wavy lay. Agreed. And I don't know if it's just because I like the texture of the wavy lays more. Wavies are better in general. I do you.

Wavies are better. And it gives you more of a crunch. And it gives you, because I feel like sometimes I can, I think that some chips are akin to, like, plastic bags in Florida. Like, in L.A., you have to pay more money for your plastic bags of the grocery store. But that's fine because they're good bags and then you use them for other things or you use them many, many times. But then in Florida, you don't pay for your bags, but they're just like they barely hold anything. They just rip right through.

And I feel that way about non-wavy way chips. I feel that they are paper thin. I feel they may as well be nothing. And yeah, I didn't know I felt this way until I started saying this. But this is where we come to find out how we're feeling about these things. You know, I mean, I. I sometimes wonder what it means to be a snack fluencer. What's the aim?

But I will say I often find myself staring at the new chips at the store, wondering, is this worth it? And so now I know, you know, I always look at the Lamone lays, and I'm always like, will I like those? And I've never tried it. So now I would, next time you're high at the bodega, staring at the wall of chips, you see fried green tomatoes. Now you've been snack fluent.

by Jackie Snackies. You know it's good. You know, so many there's a cop-outs, they are going for all these different flavors so much they don't do anything with them. Exactly. It's why I'm trying to become a snack fluencer.

As much as I love my skinny pop, this butter beer is kind of bullshit. It's kind of bullshit doesn't really have much of a flavor. But the fried green tomatoes lays are quite good. Quite delicious. And I actually get the, I get both the taste of the fried and the tomato. I literally do it.

They did a really good job with it. It's got a really good flavor on it. And you know what? I'm not a huge fried green. tomato fan of the food. But you're a maider hater. I'm a mater hater, but I will say I'm enjoying this chip. You're a mater hater?

A mater hater, babe. But only, I only like, I don't like raw tomatoes. I like crazy tomatoes. I don't actually, I don't want broad tomatoes. What? Oh, wow. I love, I love baked tomatoes. I love when they're mashed up.

Sausified. Oh, yeah, man. Give me that tomato. But other than that, the gush on the inside of it makes me kind of want to die. Especially if it's very ripe, MJ, I like a raw tomato or like I like a cherry tomato. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's the not ripe tomatoes are gross, so gross to me. I hate the texture.

I hate how they taste. I hear you. It's got to be a real good tomato, not to be an Ina garden, but it's got to be a good tomato. Sometimes you got to be an Ina, you know. Every day you can't be an MJ. Some days you got to be an Ina. Also, my grandmother has always skinned tomatoes. And I find that to be much more palatable.

Like when she, like, slice this tomato, she heals it. That is. You got to, like, just hold on to the gooshy outside. Who has time? On gooshes through your fingers. We ain't holding it. You put it in a sandwich or something. Oh, you put it in a sandwich.

Okay, you're not just eating it like an apple. No, I'm not. Although some people don't. Some people do. But they ain't made a haters. No, they, that would make me kind of gag, I think. Oh, yeah, certainly would. But thank you so much, Natalie, for joining us on this week's episode of Page

seven, we had a blast with you. Was this too chaotic? Hell no. You're on stage seven. We love chaos. This is what it is, man. This is where we go. It's all over the place.

This is why we're trying to bring. That's why we keep saying we're like the Kathy Lee and Hoda. We bop from thing to thing. And, you know, we're just down to talk. And we're down to have a great time. And I hope that you guys are having the same great time. Thank you so much, Natalie. Natalie, where can we find you?

Hit us. Hit us with your socials. I'm basically in this room. You next to me. All the time. Yeah, yeah. Or next to Amber. Or next to Amber.

Yeah. Some place underneath. You can also follow us on social media at some place underneath. I'm doing the TikTok again. Yes. I keep up with the Instagram to an extent. We're in the middle of season four. It is all about crimes connected to the LDS Church.

So that we're deep, deep in. But you can binge the first, I think, 16. The season will be five years long. Yeah. There's so many. You don't even know MJ how true that is. I'm trying to. tighten it up, but there are so

much connected to this church. It is crazy pants. So we're at episode 16 or 17 and there's going to be more, much more. So if you want to do that. And then Jackie and I, of course, are covering romantasy in many varieties. You say it like you're sad and scared about it. Oh, I love

it. This is my favorite. Romanticies. This is sisters Romantacy. You've got the podcast. All of the books names sound the same to me, but you've got the podcast which is deep eyes where you're covering Crescent City. And then you've got to stream where you're covering. Throne of glass. There we go. And is we already a save author? Yes. And we also have the full season of a court of

thorns and roses that's already out. You can listen to fully right now. So go check that out and check out all of Natalie Jeans's wares wherever you get your podcasts or your streams. Thank you so much, Natalie. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. You can follow me on Instagram, a check that worm. You can come hang out with MJ and I when we play The Sims over on Twitch.tv. Oh, no, it's Jackie. And, uh, you know, thanks so much for hanging out with us. We're going to be back with you for second helpings later on in this week. And we'll be back next week with page seven with another guest for you.

Excited about that. And Natalie, let's hit the hear those socials. Oh, yeah. Also follow me at the Natty Jean. Um, if you want to watch, I put dance videos up and some fashion stuff and yeah. Try to be fun over there. And also, uh, the Natty Jean at TikTok, which again, I am.

trying to get back into. It's so much work. It's so much work. TikTok is so much work. But you can follow us at Patreon. You can join our Patreon at patreon. At patreon.com slash page 7 podcast. We've got our $5 tier.

You got Celebrities, which is our Celebrity Memoir Book Club. You've got Jackie's Book Club, where she is literally providing you audio books of the Suki Stackhouse books right now. And at our $10 tier, you've got our Buffy watchalong. Holden just joined us for Hush. So if you want to watch that, that is over at our Patreon. And of course, you can always email us at page 7podcast at gmail.com. We love getting your emails.

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