Page 7 - Vow Renewal - Which Bitch Are You Gonna Taste? w/ Kara Klenk

Episode Date: April 10, 2025

UH-OH! This week's sleepover is about to get a LIL' BITCHY UP IN HERE as LPN's resident 'Bitch From Another W.I.T.C.H' Kara Klenk drops by to reminisce of days gone by spent with her now husband while MJ's reminiscing about their brothers old, toxic, rooftop pisshole in NYC, and Jackie's OBSESSED with the new 'Lady Gaga Fun Mouth Sounds' album! But speaking of toxic pissholes, in a move which surely leaves everyone grosser and in need of a shower, Rumer Willis opens up about still taking baths with her sisters, Steve Irwin's son, Robert Irwin, is 21 years old now and wants everyone to see his anaconda. While on the subject of the lineage of beloved TV hosts, Kara has hot goss' on Neil 'Smokedagrass' Tyson getting a much needed HUMBLIN' during 'Celebrity Jeopardy', then it's time for some 'White Lotus' spoilers! Starting around 24:13 and ending around 47:25, next up is a list of 'Celebrity Parenting Rules That Make Either A Ton of Sense Or Very Little Sense', BLINDZ with 'Quickdraw Jackie' - the fastest gossip slinger of the West! Finally, misophoniacs and anti-Kardashianists beware, you're in for a scare! Jackie's Snackies is back and runs from 1:09:04.396 til about 1:21:04.541. All that, AND MORE on this week's P7VR! Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast  Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Home said by a lady in red. You hear the last few words of your life with a haunting dance. Now you're born in a trance. It's time to cast your spell on the night. Ow! Abra-cadabra. Nah, nah, nah. I won't keep going because I know it's another one of those songs.

That honestly, you kind of need the music to really enjoy the song. Or you could just listen to me going. as I make Or the I'll do the whole thing if you want me to welcome to page seven Hi MJ How the hell are you?

I'm obsessed with the Lady Gaga album. Hi Jackie. I'm so happy to hear you sing it. I want to talk about it. And also I keep thinking about what someone in our chat said, which is Lady Gaga is just at her best when she's singing syllables.

Yes. Which is just so true. Yes. So true. There is so much for us to talk about today and we are so excited to have our guest. She is the host of That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast, and she's also the host of Who's the Bitch right here at the last podcast network.

Everyone, please welcome Kara Klan. Hello. Oh, my God. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here because, I mean, Jackie, I see all the time. MJ, I haven't seen you in years. A million years. I mean, obviously, I'm keeping up with you on old social media.

Who didn't your social media like Facebook. Oh, like DOS. Yeah. Yeah. Like your GeoCities blog, I'm obviously. I'm dating. I'm checking out. But I was just thinking that the first time my husband and I made out was at a party on your brother's rooftop.

No way. A party that you were most definitely at. Oh, I was. You were definitely at. I liked to make all of John's parties about me somehow. Like if it was his birthday, I would just like steal. the show, I would just be like, it's my brother's birthday.

So I'm sure I was there. I liked to be there. I think it was April of 2009. Wow. If you can believe that. Wow. If you can believe that. April of 2009, we were at this party.

I ran a show that you used to do all the time. That was like, that I had a comic cancel. I went up to him. I go, do you want to do my show tomorrow night? We have a cancellation. Did you show your breasts? And then I just ripped my shirt off.

Yeah. No, because I remember, I remember we kind of stayed up after everybody had gone down into John's apartment. And we kind of made out for a little bit. And I was like, everyone's going to find out about this. I was like so embarrassed. And anyway, now we're married. You know what's great about that is that the other famous story about that very roof

is that so many comedians peed in the same spot over the years that a hole formed in the roof. Oh, no, yeah, because it's like acidic comic piss with like no vegetables in it. many, many flights. I'm pretty sure I pissed on that same spot. It was one flight to get down to the apartment check. A whole flight. Do you know how much we were drinking, MJ? I just can't believe that you guys bored a hole into tarmac.

Like into a roof. There was a piss hole. Yes. And I think it was Zach Sims who was living in the room that got the hole in it. No. Yeah. There's a hole in my ceiling. A piss hole.

Up his hole. Oh, yes, man. I'd be singing that every night as I cried myself to sleep. How long did he live with the hole before they actually did anything about it? I'm sure they didn't do anything about it. But isn't it nice now that the memory of that roof can be replaced with a more positive memory, which is Kara and Jared getting together? I don't know.

Is that a positive memory? Me and Jared making out before Jared knew how to cut his hair really. No, Jared was always one of the ones that I understood because he was always clean. He actually showered. Like he seemed like one of the few comedians. Jared's obsessed with showering, I would say, almost to a fault. It makes sense. He showers too much.

I'm like, you shower too much. You're drying out your little white swamp person's skin. I think the more you talk about Jared and what Jared does, I'm like, am I, Jared? Are you just doing a show with someone that is also just your partner? I love to shower. I love to tour together. It was just you shower, then I'll shower. Then you shower again.

We're tagging in and out of the shower. And we're like, I just got to scour myself, scour myself. Oh, if he doesn't shower, he doesn't shower, he doesn't share. It's like it shuts the whole day down for him. It all goes down. I'm like, I'm like every other. Well, I was going to say my standards for showering were significantly, let's say, loosened after having children.

So I'm not sure if that's your excuse. Well, that's true also, but I also have extremely thick hair. So I don't have to wash it. I wash my hair once a week. So if I don't really feel like I've sweat a lot and that the bod is not feeling stank, then I'm not like needing it. I'll go do a body showers. times, you know. Yeah, just getting there. But I'm not doing a full hair wash, but once a week.

I am just very impressed by anyone. I just feel like it's like, I feel like I can feel like all of the dirt on me all the time. Okay. So I feel like I have to get it off. And that's the Catholicism, Jackie. I know. I was like, maybe as a Jew, I just haven't been. You haven't been shamed enough. Do you need me to shame you more? I'll shame you. It really is all based on shame of me being terrified of smelling bad. Like, I just don't want to anyone. to look at me and be like, you're bad, you're the bad one. But you know, again, Catholicism really traumatizes people. And that's what I want you to always take away. First I've heard of it.

That's the first I've heard. Well, you know, talking about kids, celebrities, they're out there and they've got their kids too. Now, this article about Rumor Willis, I thought it was so funny because I included this article talking about, so it was about like, rumor Willis has like different hygiene and lives a different life. And of course, a lot of that is about co-sleeping with her kids. And that is what MJ brought up above the link of like, Rumor Willis, co-sleeping with her kids, whatever. But then I in parentheses wrote, I was more concerned about her still taking baths

with her adult sisters. So that was more of what my concern was about the Willis girls. But, you know, you've got a bunch of sisters, Kara. I guess my question to you is, when was the last time you guys all showered together? Listen, I have one sister and four brothers. Oh, okay. So we're not showering together or bathing together. And I'm pretty pro nudity, but I just think I'm not really a big bath person. Just like sitting in my own water like that.

I just am not doing it. This is a very real housewives of Salt Lake City conversation. Yes, exactly. This is very Meredith Mark's uncoded. I know that that can be relaxing for someone. I love a hot tub. There's something about the hot tub to me that is eliminating the germs.

Yes. Like sitting in sort of tepid water in my own. And also just with like, yeah, you can bleach and scrub your tub. When you're talking about like feeling the dirt on you, I feel like I feel the dirt on bathroom surfaces. I get that. I'm always like, how clean is a toilet? How clean is a tub?

I have my tub cleaned every two weeks by a person. And then I'm, you know, like I'm not to. And you get in there. Yeah, like, but I still am never like, oh, I just want to run a bath and sit in the water. So then to add siblings into the mix, that's not. What size tub do you guys? There's three grown women. Very large tub for three adult women.

At that point, get into a hot tub. What are we doing? That is really what it is. I think it's like if you're showering or if three sisters are getting into a bath together, yeah, just get into a hot tub. And then, you know, you can write. Anybody you want into the hot tub if they fit in the hot tub. I like it, though, because the way that it's said of like, yeah, it comes with my kids, me and my sisters still take baths. And it was just this like way of which like everybody that's got sisters takes baths with their sisters.

And I don't, I have a sister. I don't know. Like we are again, we talk about this lot. We're a very clothed family. I don't really know if I've seen my sister like without her shirt on. Is that? ever? I think that's, you also have an age gap.

Like my kids are a year apart. And they, you know, I, if I don't necessarily, it's not that I like want them to be taking a bath together when they're 36 and 35. I'm not talking about kids. Kids I get, you got to be bathed them. They need to be bad. My tour is not all the time poking each other's privates.

Oh, I mean, that's different. I feel, I'm not talking about kids. I'm talking about grown adults. No, no, me too, but that's the thing. I'm like, yeah, right now my kids had actually chosen to have privacy during their baths, which was really fucking with the timeline because I was like, it takes two hours to made you guys now.

Back already sucks. Now I got to double the time. But then they just reintegrated back into one. Yeah. But then it's like WWE in there. They get too hype or they're having too much fun. I know. But if they're still taking best...

Do you guys have like referee? Like, do you guys come in with a whistle or anything? Like to like break back? I needed one last night. I had to take one out because it was literally two. They were, they don't care. They're literally wrestling in there. And I'm like, you guys, this is a bathroom.

Yeah. This is a bathtub. Stop. And then I take one out and they both turn on me. And I love it when they're united against me. But we're not, we're just having fun. Don't you want us to have fun? And then I put them back in.

But like, so if they're still taking baths together at age 36 and 35, I'm not going to be a, it's tough. This is tough. I think I would be against that. But also I love it when adults, now that I have two girls, I love seeing adult sisters who are best friends. Yeah. So there's just a tiny part of me that loves this extremely weird thing that Ruber Willis does, you know? My sister and I are very close, but I just don't think we need to be in a small bathtub with like our, like how does that even, are you facing each other vagina to vagina? Are you, are you, maybe you're back to back?

Are you in like, are you literally in like a rowing position where one has their legs open? And it's like, I just like feeling your vagina on the small of my back. I don't understand. I don't really get. I don't really get in any way how that would be fun. But I, you know, I don't begrudge anyone their familyal traditions. I guess. I think it's crazy.

I walk around like naked in front of my kids, you know? I'm trying to get them comfortable. We talk about that a lot too. because Bradley Cooper talks about how his, is it that he's naked in front of his kids, Jackie, or is that his dad was naked in front of him or both? His dad was naked in front of him, and then now he is more nude in front of his kids

because it was not an issue. Yeah. It wasn't a thing at all in their home growing up. Wait, I didn't even tell you this yet. Over the weekend, I took my kids to Legoland, and I was peeing in front of my son in a Lego land stall. And he started talking to me about boys and girls and whether I like boys and girls and, oh, you love daddy.

And I'm like, yeah. And then he goes, I go, he's like, and Rosie's, a girl and I'm a boy and I go yeah Rosie's a girl and you're a boy but you can really be whatever because he's very he's very femaliening you know whatever he loves fancy gloves he loves like you know typically feminine stuff and he goes I think I want to be gender neutral yeah he's three years old no he did not say wow that's wonderful because Jared tells them a story he tells them the story that's like an ongoing story that he tells them every like like like with these

characters and one of the characters is gender neutral and I think Oscar's like yeah yeah that's more That's more me. I love that. Wow. That's great. Isn't that cute? That's so awesome. So anyway, I feel like me's peeing in front of him opened the conference open the door. That's great to have that conversation. And also like what amazing parenting that he's three years old. And that at a place to even just start talking about those things. Where did you learn about that? He goes, daddy told me about it. He's like, he's three years old. I was like, okay. That's wonderful. Great. Yeah. My kids now they talk about people's pronouns, you know, because they live in Brooklyn and they don't be like, they're a she they. And like one of my kids will sometimes be like, I'm mostly a she, but sometimes I think I might become more of a they. And I'm like, you do you. You do you. You do you. Yeah. That's the world we dream in your beautiful lives. Although it is very funny. I mean, I will always find it so funny that MJ did beget such like high femme children. Oh, yeah. It just love. Just complete, just with heels.

I mean, I set them heels for what? There's like third birthdays or something. I just pressed ship on a Elsa costume for my son's birthday. Yes, that's great. It's next month. Oh, God, we have Elsa got, he wants. So many Elsa costumes. He wants a whole, he wants a princess box with it.

Like with jewelry and tiara and wand and shoes. Oh, yeah. We've got a whole, we got several bins. And you know what? Those shoes, you got to be careful because they're death trap. They're plastic. Little plastic. Plastic kitten heels.

Are you kidding me? Who called them the arduroids. Yeah. Kids are already teetering in a sneaker. And then you're like, how about a crudely made plastic kitten heel from China? I spend my life trying to convince them that they are not outdoor shoes. And my oldest is just like, what makes shoes, outdoor shoes if they're not shoes? You know, like it becomes very existential.

I can't explain why this shoe is a shoe, but not an outdoor shoe. The streets of Brooklyn are going to rip those babies up. You can tell her, you can wear them outside, but, girl, they're not going to last very long. I know. I know. Absolutely destroyed. These are not made for sidewalks. These are made for princesses to go from coach to ball.

Exactly. And for her, you know, for her to lose them. Exactly. And then a prince to find it. That's a whole thing. And that's all they should be waiting for because they have nothing on their own and they should just wait to be kissed. Lose your shoes and kiss, bitch. I'll be a man can save you.

That's not what we say to the children. In every conflict, there's at least one bitch. A huge bitch, a silly bitch. A little baby bitch, a raggedy bitch. But sometimes it's unclear who the bitch is. I'm Kara Klank. And I'm Jackie Zabrowski. And on our new Colin Advice podcast,

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I guess technically he's an adult. But I will say I was uncomfortable looking at the pictures of Robert Irwin. and yes, we are talking about Steve Irwin's son. Oh, is he hunky? He's hunky now. He's a 21-year-old. He is a 21-year-old. So this is him now.

He's 21. Two categorically young for us here at page 7 to Thirst 4. We get yucked out by young, like young strange. But then he starts posting these pictures with the anaconda, with his anaconda. Effectively a hot fit young man. He's just a hot fit dude. Yeah. But I feel maternal to him.

Like, oh, good for you, young man. You know, I don't feel less. so young when you lost your dad. Yeah. And I think it is funny because the internet is, it is so on either side, you're either like, like, slipping into next week, or you're like, oh, God, he's just a baby. And I, and of course, in the Just a Baby category, but I think it is because we watch them lose their father so young that I think that we as a society became like a, oh, God, I

just hope they turn out okay. I know. I hope they know how much he loved them. What's the girl's name? Bindy. Bindy. Oh, I was like Bondi Bindy. Yes.

I remember her getting married and I was like, whoa. So like for me, that almost paved the way for Anaconda Ab's picture. Because I'm already like, oh God, they're so much older than I think. Right. Because Bindy maybe has a child now? Yes, Bindy does have a child now.

But at Bindy's wedding, I cried watching the clips because it was like he, Like her brother walked her down the aisle and like the mom just kept talking about how grown up he looked and how he looked just like his father. And that like it was devastating. Have we by the way as a society? Have we replaced Steve Irwin? He is. He's the new guy that goes on the Tonight Show with a baby links or whatever. I was like maybe culturally the stopgap for Steve Irwin was like a Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Not the same. Not the same. But like a cultural science guy. Yes. Exactly. But then I feel like Neil deGrasse Tyson just started annoying people, you know. And so I think that Robert Irwin is really here to fill the gap. They're always, I mean, the guys that are actually science, of course they're going to annoy us.

They're smarter than us. Right. They're going to be like, um, actuallying us like all the way all day long. Or they might be a little bit more disconnected from some of like societies. Like I remember there was a. big conversation because he had like touched a person's tattoo like he was like looking at someone's tattoo of a solar system on her arm and everyone was like it's inappropriate it's like okay but it was like I actually don't like nothing ever came from it just like all right well was it inappropriate or

was he just like looking and feeling the tattoo who knows we never know yeah I mean you wait someday we're gonna blink and who knows maybe they'll be gaseous I've heard nothing there's no gase no I think they'll grass just he's just a little smug I think that people find him a little Yes, yes. But his smugness got slapped right out of his little solar system when he went on Celebrity Jeopardy. And I hung out with this actress Jackie Tone. That's my name, though. Yeah, that's your name, too.

Did she, does she know that that's my name? Yeah, I tried to tell her and she was like, it's okay. I don't know. It was weird. She said she'll get in touch. Interesting. But she was on celebrity, not drag race. She was on Celebrity with him.

And she beat him. Because he doesn't know. He knows what he knows, but he doesn't know a lot of pop culture stuff, I don't think. That is a critique of academics and scientists specifically. They don't understand how the rest of the world works. Yes. No. They know literally how the world works, like the solar system, but not how, like, human interactions.

Interactions work. Didn't Bill Nye just do something fun and timely? He did like a... Didn't he just catch gations? Isn't he doing something bad? No, no, Bill and I would never. I don't trust any. Wait, catch a lot.

Catchations. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, Bill Nye is just encouraging people to get their measles vaccines and isn't that nice. Good for you. Thank you. For your minimum. Thank you so much. Please get your measles.

If we could, just please go get your measles shot. And especially after the pit, but we're not going to talk about the pit right now. Don't tell me about the pit. I won't say anything about the pit. But yeah, it seems to me that Robert Irwin is definitely, it's like, The whole family still works at the Australian Zoo, and they are still putting out, like, episodes. They're still working with Animal Planet.

They have been, like, continuing on his legacy completely. And they're all working together as a family. Yes, Robert. Robert Irwin. Robert Irwin. He doesn't go by Bobby or anything. He's just, like, full Robert? I think he's full, I think he's full, thick Robert.

I don't know, baby. I think he's a throbber, more like, yeah. Had it right over. My kid keeps doing, my three-year-old keeps doing, he keeps doing like a cherry, more like Barry. Like he'll just do those all day long. And hanging out with Holden McNeil. Yeah.

That's a real Holden move. Half the time they work, but half the time they really bomb. But then sometimes they work and I'll be like, that's a good one. I'm like, go, Oscar. That's the thing. You got to keep trying. And that's the Holden-McNeely way. You keep trying because when you get a good one, the satisfaction.

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Man, I really wish I could remember. He said one that stopped us dead in our tracks on Jack-in because it was so bad that I was like, I reviews, I will not smile at that. That was such a bad non-joke. But, you know, like you said, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

And oh, baby, man, those Jackie Snackies are just over there and they're weakening at us, leaning at us. But we are not there yet, guys, because we got to talk about, White Lotus. Okay. Can I tell you? I hope you appreciate this as a fellow parent, MJ.

I stayed up until after 1 a.m. last night to finish White Lotus so that I would have seen it for today. Whoa. Dude. Okay. So this is good. We have an excuse to talk about it. Spoilers be damn because you and I both made parent sacrifices because I did a real bad spouse thing, which was that on Sunday night, I fell asleep halfway through. And poor Gideon had to be like, are we really not going to fucking finish the white Loathe?

This is the story of my fucking life and my husband makes fun of me constantly. Do you fall asleep? Do you? I fall asleep. Well, first of all, we run a comedy show in L.A. that goes till 10.30 at night. We get home.

He always wants to watch a show starting when we get home. We get home at 10.30 and he'll go, let's watch an episode of severance and I'll go, I'll try. I always go, I'll try. I've had two glasses of wine at the show. Yeah. I'm a parent and it's late.

It's late. And that show, to me, is a lot of white hallways. But yeah, I'll watch it. Yeah, let's be right to sleep. And I fall asleep and then he goes, ugh, well, now we're behind because you'd, and I'm like, I told you, like, if you want to schedule a night to watch, but I'll also watch three or four episodes in a row of something

and he doesn't like binging. Oh, come on with that. That's anti-social. We're currently in a problem. He's mad at me, low-key, because we started White Lotus. We watched the first episode together, and then I went away through, like, or something, and he was out of town, he was out of town like every weekend for a couple weeks.

So I just watched White Lotus. by myself. And he's like, you just went ahead without me. Meanwhile, he finished the whole first season of severance. Right. Yeah, this is a spouse. I go, why is that not the same thing? And he goes, well, you didn't seem like you wanted to watch severance. I was like, I never said I wasn't going to watch severance. You have to have the conversation. You have to have conversation. If you are watching shows with other people, it's not even just spouses. I'm talking roommates,

I'm talking friends. When you are doing that kind of stuff, you need to communicate. You need to look somebody to eye and say, I'm going to continue this. If you do not want to watch this. Is that okay? I remember telling him that he doesn't remember. He didn't think. I was really going to go. He thought I was going to go ahead, like, one episode and he could catch up. And then I was like, it's over. Yeah, that's the window, the window closes. Yeah. So we are in a similar situation. That's why, that's why I'm not caught up on

righteous gemstones. But in terms of White Lotus, we, before Gideon, I fell asleep on Sunday. And I was like, good luck going through Monday and not getting it spoiled. I know. I was on the internet just constantly like going, nope, and like swiping up really quickly just to try to not get it. And he did, in fact, to get it spoiled on Monday. But then we stayed up late to watch it last night, so now I'm all got up. Great. I don't think are we going to actually spoil it? I don't think that we'll spoil it per se,

but I think we should give a spoiler warning right now for let's say what. It's we're about 20 minutes in, come back in 10 minutes because I just don't want to be, I'm so afraid of of saying something that would ruin it for somebody. But we could also try

to talk about it without spoilers. And this episode comes out on, like on a Thursday. Yeah. So at that point it's four days after this major thing. I do like to give people a week. I usually like to give people a week. Yeah. Yeah.

This was a huge one. We did talk about spoilers after the very big brother scene. And some people were like, I still have seen it. Yes, yes. But every single headline was like. Do you not follow any meme accounts?

Like you can't not see this star. I mean, should we just generally talk about if we liked it or not? Let's start general. And if we get any, we'll do a spoil. But just take note, people. We're going to talk about,

Light Lotus and we've all seen all of it. So there you go. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. And we will at some point talk about Amy Lou Wood's teeth as well because I guess we have to weigh in. As the article you just brought up said, Amy Lou Wood wants to stop talking about the gap.

We will stop talking about her teeth. We won't start talking about her teeth. We won't start talking about her teeth. I just, I love her. Do you guys, are you guys sex ed people? Do you know her from sex ed? No. Sex education.

I got very confused. I think. I think I watched a couple episodes of sex education and liked it back in the day and then completely just forgot about it. And then the secret lives of college girls came out and I was like, I think I kept thinking they were the same show. Uh-huh. But I got to watch. I got to watch. I love British stuff and I got to watch sex education.

Sex education is, it has Jillian Anderson. I just remember she had a lot of sexy, silky robe. She's delightful. And I'm very, I think she's very hot. So hot. Jillian Anderson. Extremely high. I normally am like,

Americans or Canadian. Is she Canadian or American? She's both. She is a weirdly, she is the Hilaria Baldwin of Britain or of America. But we allow it. I allow her British access. I don't mind her. She goes back and forth. When she comes out in the world and talks in a British accent, Hilaria,

I want to be sent to a prison. Yeah. And Gillian Anderson, I'm like, should she run for office? I love that she does an accent. Like, it doesn't bother me. Absolutely. She also lives there. It is completely fine that she is both. Yes. And I can't explain that, but she is somehow both very British and very American.

She is from Chicago, by the way. I think it's because if I lived there in Britain for... If I lived in Britain for two months, I would be talking in a British accent. Like, I know I will. Like, I lived in Italy for a year, and I came home and I would say the way the Italians say okay

is they go, okay, and I would start saying it like that. My family would be like, why are you talking like that? All right. I would be like, okay. And I would be like, so we're going to go out, okay? And they'd be like, what the hell? Are you doing it? I went to college for a semester and most of my friends were from Chicago. I came home going, oh, my God, where's your hair?

Yeah, you literally. I will sponge an accent up in two seconds. And so if I lived in the UK, I would absolutely be Jillian Anderson. If I lived in Boston, I would not be going, like, como se di Cicent, and forgetting English words. Right, right. That's how she said cucumber. Yeah, no, I can't explain that the fact that she's absolutely born in Chicago

and was duly raised in London and Grand Rapids, Michigan, makes it okay for her to identify as British. But it does. Yeah. We're fine with it. But it seems that she, well, I will say, though, all of her formative years, though, were spent in London and, like,

it seems like she learned how to, like, speak. Like, it's like that. So she was, like, living in London for most of her up. Yeah. She's an actor, right? So talk about a sponge. Yeah. Those people, you know, they absorb the water they're swimming in.

They're like, uh, uh, uh, yeah. One of those dinosaurs you put in the water and then a grubes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, those capsules. What are those called? Suck them up. Jompers. Yeah, man.

What are those called those little capsule things? Jesus. I don't know, but I remember how many times I definitely would put those in my mouth to see if they would expand in my mouth. For sure, for sure. You're not supposed to put them in your mouth. Absolutely. No. And I don't know how that didn't kill more children and maybe it did and we just never really talked about it.

I think we also can't say that it didn't have an effect. You're right. We don't know how many children it killed. We don't know. Okay. We don't know. We don't know what it's done to us. This is the conversation I want to have about White Lotus, actually.

And it's not spoilery, I don't think. A little bit maybe alluding to the last conversation they have in the last episode. I want to talk to you, ladies, about the three girlfriends. Me too. I want to talk about that real bad. This is like one of those, like sometimes I finish a show. And, you know, the other thing about being parents, like, we finish a show and then we just, like, drag ourselves to bed and don't talk about it. And last night, we finished White Lotus.

And he was like, what do you do? think. And I was like, I don't know. Like I was saying, I don't know how to have thoughts. I don't know how to discuss things. I'm too tired. But all morning I've been thinking about that friendship. And I have deeply enjoyed their, blonde Bob indeed. And I've been deeply enjoyed their story arc throughout. But I have seen, and guys, this is a spoiler for the end of for the last episode, a lot of people are very split on kind of where their friendship ends with Carrie Coon's monologue, basically, you know, in which she's like, I'm so disappointed with my life, but my time with you guys still gives me, like being with you guys has made me reflect on my

life. And in so many ways, it has not turned out the way I hoped. And then in other ways, like, the time and consistency of you guys in my life and, like, who I am with you endows my life with meaning. And I really enjoyed that monologue, but a lot of people are like, that sucks. That's not what friendship should be, which I think is what makes it good, right? Because it's complicated. Yeah. I guess like, I see what you're saying. Okay. So when you're saying like I can't even think of thoughts, what I usually do is immediately go to the internet and read a couple articles and just see what viscerally I go, oh no, I don't agree with that and what I do agree with. Yeah. That's good. Right. So I went to some New York Times review that was like,

kind of glowing about the whole finale. And specifically, they saw that speech as very positive. I did not see it as positive. Like, I did not see that speech as positive. I thought it was, I was so confused because to me, she was the most likable of those women. She was the most, like, down-to-earth real person of those women. And she's literally like, you know, you're beautiful,

and that's your whole life. you've got this fucking Trumpy Republican Christian thing going on in Texas to Leslie Bibb. And then she's like, I don't know why that makes her reflect on her life being bad. I'm like, you're the one that dances and has fun and wants to take risks and says what you mean. And like, I don't know. I didn't understand why she was like, why she said, basically being with you guys holds up a mirror to me that makes me sad. But then by the end of the monologue was like, just time. just having known you for this long,

because I think you can know people for a long time and still say, this isn't healthy. Right. You can know someone since you're five years old and then be like, wow, every time I hang out with you, it makes me feel really bad about yourself. And I don't, and like... Well, specifically these lines, too.

I'm glad you have a beautiful face and I'm glad that you have a beautiful life. I'm just happy to be at the table. What does that mean? Like, you know, you are more than that. Right. To me, you're the character of these three. woman I'd want to hang out with and have a drink with. Because she's like she doesn't feel hot,

like the famous hot one. And she doesn't feel like she's got a family, like a solid, respectable family, the way that the family woman does. Right. And so she's, so I don't know. I'm also torn about this because, yeah, like I, it's true that you can know someone since you're five years old that can be toxic. But also like sometimes just revisiting the people who've been in your life the longest can help you remember yourself and remember who you are. Yeah. You know? I don't know. Jackie, what do you think? Well, maybe also it's like part of it, like, is it hopeful because she's the only one that's being real in the moment in any capacity?

Because, like, this is right after they're, like, too flowery. Like, Leslie is, like, talking about, like, the blooming when she's like, if you, my pastor says that, like, if you water it and it nurture it, then it will, the gardens and bloom around you. So I feel like they were both coming in with this, like, floofy loaves. And she's just like, okay. But also like real life for a second. I don't agree with how she feels. And in fact, you're right to me, it makes me feel sad that that's how she feels. But for some people, that is a liberation of sorts just to be able to say it and to get to that place that maybe like she's not always the one that has fun all the time.

Maybe she only was in this snapshot of time. Yeah. But usually because, you know, she's this high powered attorney. She's doing like usually she has to keep her life in a lot of order. So I imagine that that's not who she usually is. And it's like, why I don't, I guess I don't get why she said work was bad. Like you are a high power attorney. You've been killing it in your job.

I don't know what's going on with her and her kid. Where she says, kid hasn't done it for me. I don't even, I don't even think they gave us a lot of background about Lori, to be honest. You're right. It got cut. Really? Yeah. Part of the bit about her kids got cut.

But also the part where she says like, I don't know, I like the part of the monologue where she's like, you know, for you're like, for the actress, it's like your career gives you meaning. And for the family woman, your family gives you meaning. And she's like, you know, my career, like, yeah, I'm successful, but like that hasn't been the thing that gives me meaning. And then she's like, and then, yeah, I did be, I did do the mother thing. And that really wasn't it either. And, you know, I to me, both of those are somewhat relatable. Like, you like, yeah, I've got a good career, but that's not, that's not like enough to give me sustained, like, deep happiness. And then also, yeah, like motherhood, I love my kids, but that hasn't been the most salient part of my identity either, right?

But do the other women truly seem happy? The actress can't even get her fucking husband on the phone and she's cheating on him. Right. The one Leslie Bibb seems like she's one Larazepam away from fucking letting the whole thing shatter. Like, you know what I mean? And I just thought, I liked in the penultimate episode, I was like, okay, let's get to it. let's say some shit to each other. Yeah, dude.

And it felt a little toothless to me. It didn't really go anywhere. Because women do go there. Like, we will rip each other. Why didn't they go there? That to me is maybe Mike White doesn't fully understand female friendships as well as

as he could. Like, just in a way, because I'm like, I was expecting in the finale that there was going to be either an expansion on that or like that they got it all out and then came back together. But I didn't,

I don't believe Jacqueline's saying, I'm sorry about Valentine, I didn't think you'd care. You fully orchestrated that to be completely shady. You did that on purpose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, there were plenty of other hot guys on that island that you could be fucking. You're an actress. Yes. And you're gorgeous.

Yeah, that was the one that you'd been, that was so manipulative. Dick, your friend voted for Trump and you guys are just going to kind of gloss over that. Right. Yeah. I just, I just was like at the end for them all to be like, and now the garden is in bloom. I was like, this is not realistic and this is kind of bullshit. And the one woman in this group

that I think is cool and real is like, I'm just so happy to even be included kind of, kind of. Like, what? Yeah, it kind of hurt my spirit. I didn't, I just didn't, I didn't do it for me. But I absolutely see what you're saying and I relate to parts of that speech, of course,

where she's like, what is my fucking meaning, my thing? What am I doing here? I look at her and I'm like, you seem like a great person. You seem fun. Yes. You seem like you tell it like it is. You're open to new experiences.

Like, you know, like I wish that there had been a moment where she could have been looked within. And they were just like, your vulnerability is what makes you special. And I was like coming from Leslie Bibb, that almost makes it, it felt like almost like a condescending thing. You know. Oh, just your ability to like be sad and drink wine and cry. Yeah. It's like so great. Yeah.

This is like, Jackie, I heard you and Adam talking before we started recording about like, There's so many things about this entire season. It was hard for me. I found myself struggling to discern what was great writing from what was great acting. Yeah. Yes. And also, in turn, what was not great writing and what was not great acting. And I do find it's like things like that where it's like, okay, like the character of Zion,

I know that there were like apparently in the last episode, there was a big scene with the daughter from the Ratliff family and Zion. And that got cut. Oh, really? Yes. Like poking up? Like, because she wants to, like, lose her virginity in the end. So they, uh, that, like, so she finds Zion. And it's like, I want to just like, I just need to lose my virginity.

And she loses her virginity with Zion. But with Zion, I, you know, we were, that's what we were discussing of, like, I didn't know if he was just, like, it was like, that character just not as fleshed out as the character wanted to be. Like, I kind of felt like, he was coming in real hot. And it was like, okay, we're like following so many other stories. I don't know. I guess I got all, my problem is that I really got lost in the Parker Posey of it all because after, because I do what you do, Kara, right after I watch an episode, I usually jump on like the Reddits and I'll start reading through the Reddits. And someone started talking about how Parker Posey, they think that she knew all of the stuff that was going on.

She had already known about it and she had already moved money into separate banks on the Cayman Islands because she had not up going to the Cayman Islands multiple times. and apparently that is a place where you can put offshore accounts and that it would make sense when Leslie Bibb went over and I saw you at that party. That never came back to anything. Never came back to anything. But it was good character development. I thought that was just a standalone thing to show each who those women are. But it was possibly her trying to be like, no, like I don't, I wasn't there.

I wasn't like she's doing change. I thought it was like she didn't want to be recognized now that you say that. That makes more sense because someone like Victoria Ratliff, if they run into someone that they know from a, that they met at a baby shower. They're going to go, oh, great to see you. Totally. Exactly. Even if they don't even remember it. Exactly.

And the way she was. Even if they're high on laurasopam, they're going to have the socialities. Right. Like you're going on boats and hanging out with like gross old ball guys that are dating women half their age. This woman is like a socialite from Texas. You're going to give her the time a day. Totally. She even said earlier in one of the earlier episodes, she was saying that like they needed to put the fear of poverty

into their children. And she was talking about how you have to, when you're a rich person, you always have to be terrified in watching out just in case. And she must have, because you know, it's like we've already put it out there.

Like she was raised real rich too. She had a bunch of money. The whole time when he was like thinking about killing them and stuff, I was like, are you telling me her family doesn't have any money? Are you telling me he rescued her from poverty?

Like, I don't think so. Like, woman like that knows how to hide money. They've got, there's siblings. There is money that's like untouched with these people. Like, you almost never see a true Shits Creek thing where it's like, well, all the money's gone and we are moving into a motel, you know?

Exactly. That's like there's always Bernie Madoff's wife had stuff. Do you know what I mean? There's always money in the banana stand. There's always money in the banana stand. Exactly. I'm saying rich people usually know how to stay rich. Yeah.

It might lose a lot of lot. I'm not saying that they're probably going to be devastated. But the fact that he even said it was only 12 million. course, but it's like they're not going to be living on. Like he goes, son, could you live with like no home? It's like they're going to have a home. Like these people come on. Like I just don't.

But that stressed me out that whole freaking storyline that him just the whole week of like, you know, like just not like I felt sick every time I saw him. Mad, sad dad on vacation relatable. Well, just and knowing that there's this huge secret that's like looming and that your family finds out and like it I don't know I feel like I had a situation I don't know I feel like I've been in a situation like that before where I'm like oh god my parents are going to find out this really bad thing I did and it's just like the it's like the countdown of doom oh yeah you know and that feeling of just wanting to barf all the time yeah I can't live like that but I understand

yeah find the laurasopam can we talk about one other thing can I ask about something yeah what you want to ask about I maybe I am being like adult right now like I really don't understand the Walt Gagins Chelsea kind of like storyline. I don't understand why they were together. I don't understand why she's so in love with him. He has like disdain for her. Like I don't understand for you.

Walton Gaggis. So that's why she's a hand to do. Give me the Gog. Got a Gog. She's quite, she's not a gag. Look, she's quite gorgeous. She's quite young. We love her.

He's this depressed. Walt Gaggagins as himself. Yeah, come on over. Take your pants off. But like that guy. Rick. Do you see him in Righteous Gemstones? Yeah, I love him.

I love righteous gemstones. I haven't caught the new season yet though. Oh, okay. I'm back on. Just letting everybody know. Oh, you see it? Oh, you see it? Oh, yeah.

Gagins got on water skis. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. It's just, oh my God, baby billy's out there and you're just, I'm sorry. I guess that's not even a spoiler. No, that there is a dick is not a spoiler. Get it. But, like, I just didn't understand also why he was so fixated on his life was ruined because he didn't have a dad that he never met.

Like, it just seemed like an insane fixation. Okay. I guess. I've got Amy Lou Wood. If it was a dad that you were in love with and then this guy murdered your dad that you were obsessed with, okay. Or that you maybe only knew until you were five, so you had an idealized version of him. I understand that. I just think he just kept going, he took my whole.

life for me, it's like, in what way? So many people in this world do not have dads or moms or, you know what I mean? I agree that that particular storyline could have perhaps been a little bit more developed, but this quote from Amy Lou Wood herself, I really like, from a, this is from a

variety interview. People are so mean about Rick as they should be. It's not nice watching somebody be mean to a ray of sunshine, but she is nuts. She's just as nuts as he is. His God is his own pain. She's made her God, him. Both of them are I love them so much, but they are crazy.

Yes. And they, spoiler alert. They die because they're crazy. They don't die because it's a love story. They die because they're crazy. And like that, like that he, the idea that if you have somebody who is as sad and angry and violent as him, that you cannot save him, he will bring you down with him. I feel like that's kind of the value of their. I get that.

Okay. And her only value was because of him. And so that has must be all wrapped up. Even she had said that like, I forget what she said he was, but she's like, and I'm your hope. Like to her, her existence was to be hope for him. Yeah, okay, okay. And that sucks.

I mean, it's a very interesting relationship to watch. She also is like so progressive and doesn't like this fucking Schwarzenegger guy who's like, you know, a regressive frat boy. She doesn't like him. But then she's in this relationship with this man who literally treats her like shit. I mean, like, doesn't listen to what things she says. But also, is she not what everybody in the 90s was begging for? And that is a manic pixie dream girl.

Yeah, she's a bit manic pixie dream girl. Definitely a manic pixie dream girls had like a confidence to them that I guess I thought Chelsea was kind of like, like just the sulking and like the manate pixie dream girl. The manic pixie dream girl is not chasing you. And with Amy Lou Wood, she's chasing him. Like, it's like he goes to bang. She's like, can I come? Don't go.

And it's like, girl, what? I don't know. I was half expecting her to cheat, but like then, yeah, maybe I'm putting too much, like, I put too much sometimes, like, logic on people in these shows. Yes, I understand. Come on, girl, you're better than him. Like, look at you.

But even it's, like, down to the choices of, like, you notice that she was always, like, picking up stuff to where as she would go that obviously they have not, like, they don't have, like, a real home base. She's kind of getting stuff as she goes. Like, that's supposed to be, like, all for a reason, like, trying to show a. bunch more exposition about them.

Yeah. Because I was like, what does he do? Like, is he, he must be super rich if they could afford this fucking place, but is he just like a hit man? I guess he's just a bad. Oh, he's just a bad. And if you're a hit man, and when he had his chance to fuck the guy up and all he did was tip his chair over?

I think he knew when he looked at him that he knew it was his father. Yeah. Why did he shoot him? But then I think it's because he thought about it. And then he realized of like, like, of how much he fucked his life up. And you abandoned me. And you are this rich ass guy. And that you could have helped us.

And, like, also, I think all of his obsession with it. And then he called his mother a slut. I'm sure it's also, I imagine he was probably raised, sorry. I know that we need him bond. I imagine he was probably raised with his mother telling him that, like, she treats him poorly because his father was killed. Yeah. This happens because your father was killed.

You're flushing out a lot of stuff for me here that I'm actually getting now because I did essentially watch it alone because, you know, I only watch a lot of. one episode with a friend once. So if you're not talking about it. I'm not talking about it. And I was kind of just like, I'm with you. Rick. And now it's like, yeah, you're right. Like, I mean, because I figured out that that was his dad like five episodes ago.

I was like, yeah, that's his dad. And then I, yeah, I was just like to be so mad that you're just going to go murder him. Like you know you can't get away with it. Like you're on an island. You're not going to get away with murdering this man. I think he knew that he was going to die. He could have murdered him in fucking Bangkok and go. slipped into the night.

Yeah. But I think that he also, I think it was, I think that's what his mission was. Yeah. Yeah, he had a death drive. And he didn't care enough about Chelsea to save her.

He cared his own, he couldn't even see her until it was too late. And I read somewhere like the imagery of, again, spoiler, the imagery of like them in the water at the end where he's face up and she's face down. Oh, yeah.

And it's like, she had the yin and yang. Yeah. Yeah. It was good. It was nice. It's so nice to talk. It's nice to talk about it.

But I appreciate you guys, jamming it out alongside me, but we've got to get to the list. I know, this could have been a full episode. I do. Easily. Easily. I was literally thinking I was like, we have to have Kara back immediately. There's so much more to talk about. But Jackie, I heard you say list.

Sing it to me. Oh, who's on the list. Me. Jackie, got to have that list. Celebrity parenting rules that make either a ton of sense or very. little sense. Yes. For instance, Kristen Bell and Dax Shepard's kids have to share a room. Apparently in 2020, Kristen said it's very important that they share room. She said, I think their lives will be easier than most other people's on the planet. And to develop a good character, it's important to always be going through something. I like the fact that they will have to figure out how to share a bedroom, figure out how to share a closet, figure out how to share their space. If that's wrong about your life, then you have to share a bedroom with your sister. You're going to be okay. I like this. How do you feel about the kids share? I love it. I mean, my kids share a room. I shared a room my entire life with my sister.

Wow. My entire life, I shared a room. And I went right from sharing a room with my sister to sharing rooms with a roommate. I think the only time I ever had my first private sleeping space, I was 19 years old as a sophomore in college because I was in a quad where we all had our own rooms and then a common living space. Wow. And then that was the first time I ever lived alone. And then in New York, my sister lived in a lofted bed over me for three years. Bitch, get out of here. In a one bedroom. And we were so broke. I was just like, yeah, she was a teacher. I was working as an NBC page. I was like, yeah, I make $10 an hour, get in here, loft that bed. And then all of a sudden you're taking baths together. And if anybody wanted to hook up, they were on the futon and it was like a, uh, I love that, you know, but it was not

yeah, yeah, yeah, a futon hookup man. There ain't nothing like going over to someone's like, oh, you live on a futon. Oh, my sister's in the bedroom. So we have to actually, I will say the futon that we had was really nice. A rich friend of mine in college, um, failed out after freshman year. And left behind this, like, top of the line. Futon. Mind them for goods. We, I kept in New York for years.

It was so comfortable. Like I would sleep on it. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, people fucked on it once in a while. I think that this is nice. I think obviously sometimes celebrity parents will stay like the ways that

they're like building resilience in their kids and it's like borderline abusive or just like completely self-indulgent. But this from Kristen Bell seems like pretty nice and normal. Like I, like my kids share a room out of necessity. But if we go on vacation and we're at a place that has. more than one room for them. Like they will still choose to share a room now just because they like being together,

which I think is really nice. And I think, yeah, I mean, I actually didn't share a room with John as a kid, but like, I kind of always, like, I would always ask for bunk beds, but he was older enough than me that he would be like, no. No. Well, I, so what do you think about in terms of like kids of separate sexes? Like, like, I don't know how long I can keep them together before it feels weird. I mean, they're three and five now.

I mean, three and six. So I've got time. Good time. But, like, is it like 11 and nine? When do the boners start? Like, I don't know. My best friend in New York City, born and raised in a two bedroom. Yeah.

That was, you know, and it was like, it was subsidized housing and her family was like, no, we're not moving. We're not moving. Yeah, yeah. No. Like, this is what you've got. And her brother was five years older than her. They shared the route. And, you know, I think that there was times that it was not perfect for either of them.

But I don't know. Maybe I have a different view on that because here, it's, mostly, again, people share out of necessity. And there are, you know, you do talk to families. I have a lot of friends whose kids are now getting to be like 11, like my first, the first friend parents I have, those kids are now 11. And like those parents are like, yeah, like we need to build like, even if we can't move to a different apartment, we need to build like a privacy tent or something.

Yeah. Yeah, some way to get that. But I don't know. I think with your kids, yeah, you got time. Honestly, I think you probably haven't until middle school. really until they really need that privacy. And we have a tiny third room, but it is very small. And so one of them would get a large room and one of them would get a small room.

And that feels like a fucking crazy thing. Here's what you should do. Wait until the oldest kid asks for her own room. And then at that point, if you're like, you could have the tiny room. Yeah. She'll be like, yes. Yes. Yeah.

Because at that point, she'll just, if she gets to the point where she wants the privacy, the tiny room will be fine with her. Totally. You know what? I still have a huge stick up my ass. Because my older sister had the full attic in our, like, house growing up, like the full, like, floor of an attic. Yeah. And she made it into her bedroom.

And most people would be terrified of something like that. But she loved it because she didn't want to share a room. She's 13 years older than me. Yeah. She didn't want to fucking share a room. But my mom always said, she's like, well, one day, Henry will get the attic. And then one day you'll get the attic. And I was just like, one day I'm going to have the attic.

One day I'm going to have. And then they sold the house. And these old houses, I never got the attic. I still have never got the attic. Give me the attic. Someone give me an attic. I want to live inside of it like a ghost that died in there and should have been left a long time ago.

No, we had three little bedrooms in my house with two, with bunk beds in each one. And it was me and my sister, my twin brothers, and then the oldest boy and the youngest boy, like just an 11-year-old and a two-year-old. They're like, you were the two left over. You two go together. You got to go together. I like that many kids. Yeah.

And then once we like, because we used to have a live in, um, Opaire and once they stopped doing that because I became old enough to drive and do all the Opaire work. Oh yeah. Once I was child labor. Then my sister and I got to move into quote unquote the attic, the apartment over the garage.

And then I felt like a full, um, cosmopolitan woman. Yeah. Sharing with my sister. And literally we just had our bunk beds taken down. Until I was a senior in high school, I just slept in my top bunk on the ground. Like they just,

my mom didn't get us new bed. She just took the bench bed. apart and put them on the ground. Practical. I love that. With Laura Ashley Comforters. I love that. It was a life. But I, yeah, sharing a room I think is, I love it. I think it's great. I never wanted my own room ever.

And I like, I like, but I'm also like afraid of silence and love being around people. Yeah, that'll do it. But that's nice. I think we can only get to one more on this list, but I do want to discuss it. Cardi B and Offsets kids are not allowed to go to sleepovers. Oh my God. This is a huge thing. That's a huge culture thing.

So Cardi B said, Jared just said to me the other day, have you heard of no sleepovers? I go, we'll talk about it later. Let's talk about it. She said, my mom tried to stop me from all that, but I still did it. I joined a gang. If she had let me out as often as I wanted to, I probably would be dead or got my face cut up or been a teenage mom. She's like, I'm going to be very strict. Like, you can have whatever you want, but you can't do whatever you want.

And I will say, like, I've never thought, obviously, I don't have children. So, like, I've never really thought about the idea of not letting my children not have sleepovers. But I will say, I got into some real fucked-dha shit at some sleepovers. So I would understand that if I did have kids, I'd be like, where are you going? I want to fucking, I want to look. Now I guess you have to find my iPhones and all that kind of stuff,

which, man, I can't believe, can we just say, can't believe we're all still alive? Can we just say, we can't believe we're still alive, that we didn't have phones and we're all still alive? And we were playing the frigging the blackout game, or at least I was at one sleepover where the kids were playing the blackout game. chats and stuff and you're talking to old men and you're like

I'm 18 and she's like what are you to like the kind of shit we used to do you know I used to sign on at a babysitting job to AOL to the family's AOL To sex and I would go talk to guys and sexed with them and pretend I was in college I was 14 and I'd go

I go to Yukon because it was the only college I'd ever heard of because I was from Connecticut and I would be like I go to Yukon and and they would just ask me all these and then like I'd sign go gotta go and sign off and it was like the next day the dad probably logged on and it was like hey where'd you go last night? Oh my kidding. I had no idea.

I had no idea. My dad, my parents forbid AOL in our house and so for me it was like this amazing forbidden fruit and I just wanted to go in chat rooms and like they changed their password and I'd go to the kids. I'd go, do you have any idea what the new AOL password is? Like what your dad has made that? Do you have any idea like what your dad would have made that password? Like and they'd be like, yeah, I think it's.

this and the kids would help me like hack the AOL. That's terrific. Like I'll take any babysitting job you got. How many I'll babysit every night of the week. He was like an executive for Pepsi and she was a gastroenterologist. I'm so sorry if you're listening. Good family friends. Okay. I need to write them a card. I'm sorry. I sexted it while I watched your kids. I sexted on your AOL in 1993. In terms of the sleepover thing, here's the thing. I think it is a, it is a, like well-intentioned extreme over-correction to a different problem. Everyone, I think, now doesn't want their kids to go to sleepovers, not because of the blackout game, which is the real reason you shouldn't send your kids to sleepovers, but which, by the way, if you're not familiar,

it's just the way that the teen girls I was hanging out with did it was just you to hyperventilate and then press down on someone's chest until you just, just tasted a little bit of a blackout and then you'd come back. Yeah, that's just a little bit. That was my year with the bad kids, okay? But in terms of the overcorrection that people are trying to correct is like sexual abuse. Yes. But I'm sorry.

Oftentimes, what we know about child sexual abuse is that it is happening with people you know. It's not happening from some random person at a sleepover. And so while it is possible that bad things can happen at sleepover. And while it has happened a lot of times, so I do understand. And I truly do understand this. And I have thought about it a lot because I have a lot of really positive memories of sleepovers when I was a kid. And so I understand the idea of being like, that's a whole lot of time that you are unsupervised and unattended and something bad could happen. It seems like most of this discourse is specifically around the potential for sexual abuse.

And that just seems like given, again, what we know, most sexual abuse occurring like within organized religion or within other like hierarchical, structural. you know, family-based things. So I just think eliminating sleepovers doesn't eliminate the potential for like child sexual abuse. And I feel like that's the thing that everyone is focusing on. And so part of me is like, yeah, like anything to make kids more safe. But then also part of me is like, are we really going to take away? Like, do we really think that kids, I do think that kids are oversupervised, you know, and overstructured. And that some level of what are you going to do?

do when your mom's not looking is important, you know, like, but also you don't want to give kids the space to make mistakes and choices, not under your watch. I knew what I was going to do and that was, have a good time. I think, yeah, I mean, there's also different sleepovers. I feel like you're talking about like a 14 or a 15 year old sleepover and then there's like a nine year old sleepover, you know, where it's like, oh, are you going to be, you know, like the molestation to me is like the content that I'm being fed. Like, Cardi B, I think, is talking about like a 15 year old sleepover where you're

gonna go fucking gang bang and hook up and whatever. All the bottles are clinking in your bag and you're like, I'm just going over to Stephanie's house. I mean, no, no, it's fine. That's like high school and that's shit. That's like a different bridge to cross. I think this, if you're talking about little kid sleepovers and stuff, like, I agree. It's like the way we talk about, I talk about this on my podcast, like the way we talk

about human trafficking. Sure. Have white women been plucked off the street and thrown into a van and turned out into human trafficking? Has that happened? Sure. is that the majority of human trafficking? Not by a fucking mile.

Is that what I was terrified of? Every week so that they could be found by Mariska Haggertay. Yeah. Yes. Yes. It does not like it is not like the way people are like, oh my God, save the children and all this stuff that people are focusing on. It's like you're focusing on the wrong thing.

Exactly. The trafficking is mostly labor trafficking. It's young kids working in farms and fields when they're too young to be working and they're not getting paid correctly. With their little hands do little stitches. Yeah. Exactly. That's the trafficking we need to worry about. So it's like the molestation we need to be worrying about is, yeah, like the people in your own life that you're not, you know,

live in fear. Always live in fear. Like the next item on the list, and I know we need to go blind. Jackie, don't worry, I didn't lose track of time. But Kelly Clarkson doesn't let her kids on social media. And I think that it is just, if we're talking about protecting kids from sexual predators, protecting them online, protecting them from social media and that type of thing, just as important, perhaps, as not letting them go to sleepovers. But again, our kids are too young.

We haven't had to make these decisions. yet. But I think that the whole premise of the Jonathan Haight Anxious Generation book, which is consuming all parent discourse right now is that kids are oversupervised in real life and undersupervised online. And I do think that that is like an interesting framework to go off of because then it allows you to figure out how do I want to make these decisions? Do I want to let my kid be targeted online or risk them having your options?

And my daughter has actually gone to sleepover. She's five. I mean when she was five, I started letting her go to sleepovers with family friends. Yes. With people that she has known her entire life. Yes. Pretty much. Or she's known since she was two.

You completely trust. Like it was three different families that she was, she houses she slipped. And she asks for them all the time. I would do that. And her and her classmates ask for them. And then I'll talk to the parents and I'll go, Rosie says she wants to do a sleepover with so-and-so. Like how does such? And the dad will go, so-and-so still needs me to lie in their bed with them until they fall asleep.

You know what I mean? And it's like, yeah. Okay, because it's like, it's different. A school friend versus someone like that you've known like your whole, their whole life or whatever. Exactly. You know whether they have a gun. You know whether there's some random uncle that comes over and spends the night. You know what I mean?

Like, there's that kind of stuff. But also it's like, sometimes I think we ignore that like, sometimes when someone's having someone sleep over at another person's house, it's because the mom's working two shifts and she's a single mom. Totally. And there's other things here. But like, and then predators do not. know the right kids to go after. You know what I mean?

Right. So. I mean, it's why they never went after Henry as an altar boy. He was too loud. Too loud. He was too loud. With an involved loud mom, it's like, no, no, no. All the other ones, though.

If you've got your predator checklist, you're like, nope, nope, I'm out of here. This guy doesn't check any of the boxes for me. Speaking of loud, my eyesight overcompensates what I can't hear. Because the senses are related. I think I'm going. Why? Items. We can't see them.

I'm learning how to segue, baby. Hell yeah. Hell yeah, you are. Hell yeah, you are. All right. How does this work? Do we guess what the blind item? So we're going to guess.

So MJ is going to give us the blind and then sometimes some clues. I love a blind. Yes. Hopefully these will be good for both of you. What no one is coming out and saying is that when the illiterate one, that means illiterative first name, last name, same first letter, when the illiterate one does a lot of day drinking, she can be at her very worst. Megan Markle.

Yes. Damn it. I'm sorry. I didn't even give you a second. I'm sorry. I didn't even give you a second. I'm sorry. You could have given me all the seconds.

I wouldn't have guessed Megan Markle. She loves to day drinking. She drinks and gets fucked up. Okay. Now we're talking. We literally just talked on who's the bitch. We just did an episode about how

how is this woman have all of the resources in the world and is still not likable. Where are the image consultants helping her become likable. Now we're talking. Tell me that the Duchess of Sussex sometimes has too much white wine sprits her and gets a little bit sloppy. Love it.

Tell me. Apparently she did it on the show. Well, she did, I don't think she got sloppy on the show, but she does a lot of day drinking on the show. Okay. Yes. So we do love that for her. We do.

I do. We were just screaming because she had like oversold her honey, her limited edition honey on as ever. and then she had to put out a statement and she had to refund the money, MJ, because she oversold the honey, MJ. Okay, that's basic. Everything she does, you're like, I don't like you.

Like, I don't like your podcast. I've never run a store before, but don't sell an item if you don't have it in the inventory, I know a short tank executive, but like, come the fuck on. I just think it's funny. How many jars of the honey do you have? That's how many you can put on the website. Correct.

And it was her, somebody, it was somebody else's, fuck up and she's the one that had to apologize. The bees are not working hard enough. Yes. Maybe it's the tariffs. Oh, no. She's tariff proof. The bees are in the backyard.

Yes, raise the bees. You got to squeeze the honey out of them. She took Mindy Kaling to the bees, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, God. I've been blaming everything on the tariffs lately. Okay. Speaking of leaks, don't believe the hype.

There is no way that the lawyers of the A plus list singer want her having anything to do with the A minus list actress until everything goes away. Whoa. That's Taylor and Blake. It is. Yes, correct. Because there is just such, man, they're just like. And she's A minus.

We think Blake Lively's A minus. She's always talked about like A minus in the blinds and I think that's generous. I think that's real generous. I think she's a B plus. I was going to say, I would say B minus. Honestly, before we turning in terms of fame or in terms of acting ability or like. I don't know what the letter grades are measuring. I think in terms of name recognition, she was a B, a straight B until this feud.

This happened. And now maybe that's what puts her into A-minus just purely for name recognition alone. I mean, I know everybody loves Gossip Girl, but like A-minus. But that was it. Yeah. It was just gossip girl for a long time.

Yeah. Because she had all her babies and stuff. Yeah. And then, I guess, like, a simple favor and stuff like that. Well, and she also started Betty Buds. You know, she's got her mocktails. Well, right, but the products are like all stupid. Like, we don't, we don't care.

Like, she's no Bethany Frankel. She's no, we don't have a skinny girl margarita on our. I can't believe we didn't even talk about any of the housewives. I can't. Kara! We have to have Kara back immediately. This is, yeah, there's simply not enough time. No, there's just not.

Simply not enough time. And I have two blinds. I'm trying to decide between it. I'm having anxiety. Do we have time for both? I don't have to leave for 15 minutes. I mean, you know, I think we can get... Should we do four blinds?

Well, just hit us with the next one. See how fast we'll do this one. We'll see how it lands. All right. I thought this celebrity chef had a new girlfriend. He is still doing a lot of sliding into DM. Of course I know who this is, but I'll give you a moment, Kara, if you want to think about it. I don't know if you're a food network.

No, not at all. So if it's a food network person, I won't even know who it is. Then I'm just going to give it to you canonically here at the show. We hate Bobby Flay. Oh, Monster, you know, he cheated on Stephanie March and iconic Law & Order SVU. Yes. Actress. Yes.

You've had her on the podcast. And it was all of my mind to not be like, how great do you feel now that you got Bobby Flay off your back? Just lose all that weight, bitch. Cut him out, bitch. Stephanie Marks. I always refer to her as ADA, Alex Cabot, and I need to learn her actual name. Stephanie Mark. Stephanie Mark.

Bobby Flay is in an episode, actually, where there's this episode called Design, where Estella Warren's character, she is stealing genetic material from men, so she roofies them, and then she electro-magnet... She uses something called... Dust something called electromagnetic ejaculation,

where she puts a rod up their asses to stimulate their prostate and make them calm. Does she do that to body... takes their come. She does it to Bobby Flay. Like, you don't see it happen, but they go around and they interview all these guys. One of them is Bobby Flay. One of them is the lead singer of Sugar Ray, Mark McGrath. And the other one is, is Jesse, whatever his name is, he used to be, Jesse Palmer from the Bachelor. He was the, he hosted The Bachelor, I think I remember this episode. They go, they go, I don't remember. I just remember she was hot. She bought me a drink. I woke up really sick the

next morning. And they all think they fucked her, but really, she fucked that. I didn't know. That was Bobby Flay in there. Whoa. I remember that sex act. He's outside 30 Rock doing like literally a today show segment with his food. Whoa. I thought you were going to name some food network person I'd never heard of or whatever. Iron chef or whatever.

But I Bobby Flay. He's in my. He's in my. You have a connection. Bobby Ney. Yeah. All right. Well, the last one we can, we'll save for next time because Jackie's got her very important things to do with you while you're still here. Oh, right.

Oh, I've got very important things to do with. with you, Kara. I was very excited. Is this a sleepover? Yeah, yeah. No, don't worry about it. This feels weird. I don't want to call my mom.

No, I was just going to get young drunk. Don't worry about it. I will say about the sleepover thing. I'm really happy kids have these watches now and shit that they can text and go, I hate this sleepover. Come get me. Because that was always my thing is that I was like, I don't like it here. The dog's making me sneeze.

I got to get out of here. And it would be like you were like a pussy to be like, can I call my parents really quick? Yeah, there's a barrier to entry to like ask an adult to use the phone. And now the theory is too. So I like that they all have like little watches now and they can text us. They can let you know. That is, that would be a huge child. Not my kids yet, but they will when they go to like real sleepovers.

Yeah. Yeah, someday. Now today I've got to, oh, oh no, it's Jackie. Snack is what snacks you're going to eat today. And now we have talked about this on Who's the Bitch. Kara also has misophonia. So, you know, you won't be listening to this portion of the episode, Kara. And for those others out there that cannot hear it as well.

this will just be the very end of the episode. We bid you a do and we love you. But this is very important. I was very, very excited about the cookies that I received this day because I've never tried crumble cookies before. I didn't even heard of them until you told me about them. And I, because I've already, I will say, I already told Kara about these snackies because I was so excited about them yesterday because crumble cookies, and for those of you that

do not know, crumble always does limited edition flavors every week. and so it's always different. The snack fluencers are always screaming about crumble. And everybody's saying they're very expensive. And some people say it's too sweet. But this week... No such thing for me. And for me neither.

Now, Kara, I know you're not my coffee, bitch. But I did bring you a fun soda to take it down because right now, in the world of Valentine's Day in the spring, everything was strawberries and cream. Everything with strawberries and cream flavored. I don't know who gets together and decides these things. But I don't know what the next one is about to be. I think it's smores, by the way.

I think I'm calling it out there. I've been seeing a lot of smore shit. But this is Dr. Pepper Strawberries and Cream soda. I'll just tell you from the second I did a slow cap undo, the smell of the strawberries and cream is very much. It's really coming out. I'm really curious if it overpowers the Dr. Pepper taste. I'm not even much.

I'm not even like a huge DDP. girl, or D.P, I guess, DDP is Diet Dr. Pepper. I'm not a huge... I'm not a huge Dr. Pepper person, but I'm excited to try this. You're a DPP.P. Isn't the secret of Dr. Pepper? Isn't it a thing of Dr. Pepper is prune? The flavor of Dr. Pepper is prune?

Is it really? I think that's like what the flavor of you. Google it. Check it out. I'm going to drink. I'm going to eat the strawberries and cream. I'm going to drink it. By the way, I think there's a way you can do this in a misophonic-friendly way where you just don't chew into the mind. I try to not do it into the microphone. I try to be thoughtful for everyone. It's tough. I'll be honest, when you take a sip, it just tastes like Dr. Pepper. But the smell of the strawberries are there.

Yeah. Interesting, because this is what we were just discussing with Skittles and different things of like when they smell different versus when they actually, yes, I would love to try a sip. People say that there's 23 flavors in a Dr. Pepper. I guess I'm getting a little bit of the cream. I'm getting a little bit of the cream. But you're right. It smells so much more. It smells very strawberry and then there's no strawberry on your tongue.

Weird because as it goes up to your. nose, you smell a strong smell of strawberry, but you don't really taste it. It's almost like a cream soda version of a Dr. Pepper. Yeah, but I would definitely put that like over ice cream. I also make a float with it. Yes, because I, yeah, make a float. I wear usually a Coke Zero home and I tried the orange cream Coke Zero and it was like, oh, this will be good. And it was like, it was fine, but I was like over vanilla ice cream. And so I went out and we got vanilla ice cream and pouring it over as like an orange mixture with a Coke float over ice cream. Fucking mint everybody.

You know I'm a full fat Coke girl. I think I need to start training myself to like Coke Zero. To be a Coke Zero. Just make myself. I like it when I drink it. It's the after-tube. Okay. So everybody, I just opened up the Crumble box and it is the Kardashian collab crumble.

And for those of you that are curious, I guarantee that these bitches did not try any of these cookies. No, and two of them don't look like cookies. No, and two of these look like cakes. You're referring to the gluten-free flowerless cake. I believe that is Courtney's. Of course. It's a girl who pulled her own children out of her vagina when she gave birth.

Oh, yeah? Of course, it's gluten-free. It is made with zero sugar. It is drizzled dark chocolate. What can we do in here? It is a gluten-free flowerless chocolate cake with no sugar. sugar. So I guarantee you. What's in there? Coco pout? I mean, it doesn't cocoa have sugar in it?

I mean, well, there's just zero refined sugar, so I guess it's just add no additional sugar. What about this double-sug. That one is going to taste like dog shit. I want to know how bad it tastes. No, it's going to taste like dog shit. That one is Chris's classic layer cake, two layers of yellow cake, swirled with fudge frosting, topped with a chocolate glaze and chocolate curls. Again, has Chris Jenner eaten this, especially the size of this, I'm going to guess that this quote unquote cookie, which is not a cookie, is definitely a two

layer, like, big piece of cake. There's no way, it's got to be, what, 1,500, 2,000 calories just for this. I just don't get why they were like, I will say that looks good. The crumple people came to Chris and they were like, we want, what's a cookie that you

could do? And she's like, oh, like a double-layered cake with chocolate? That's not a cookie, bitch. It's not a fucking cookie. Cookie establishment. Or you could try Kim's Snickerdoodle Crumb Cake cookie, which is a snickerdoodle cookie, smothered in white chocolate chips, topped with cinnamon, shrucel crunch,

and drizzled white chips. I will say, that's that one. But I'm usually not a white chocolate person, but it's fine. You know, it can be, it is versatile, I understand. Okay, who else is his case? So then there's Chloe's cookies and cream skillet cookie. Okay.

It's a dark chocolate brownie with cookies and cream pieces and scoops of vanilla bean cookies and cream moose. It's just, it seems. like a lot. And then there's Kendall's cookie dough Cupcake cookie. The colorful one is her? No, this is this one. It is a brown sugar cookie with semi-sweet chocolate chips, cookie dough

inspired buttercream, crumbled cookie pieces and I will say, and then there's Kylie's Pink Confetti Sugar cookie. We're only going to try one of them each, but I will say I am going to be doing a Jackie Snackies and finishing this out. I will be trying all of them. So go over to my Instagram at Jack That

That Worm because I will be trying all of them. I'm not going to force you to try all of them. No, I'll try more than one. I just don't know if I could try all of them. We at page seven try studiously to avoid knowing anything about the Kardashians. We really just have them on the don't discuss unless necessary list. Oh, I am absolutely, they're on my no-fly list. Yeah, I don't care about them.

I don't talk about them. I don't have like a, is there a sister that you're looking forward to choosing her cookie? I think Kim's or Chris's. I guess Chloe always seems to me like the funny one, but before she got a new face, she was Because she's OJ Simpson's daughter as the... Yeah, well, because she wasn't as like, quote unquote, hot as the sisters and I think had to develop like an actual sense of humor. I mean, like, Courtney seems brain dead. Courtney is one of the stupidest flavor, too, so...

Kim is like, you know, I mean, just, I also just think maybe just like a bad person and a cloak, they probably all are. Yeah, she's made the worst person. If you had a gun to my head and I had to hang out with one of them, I guess it would be Chloe. I think that's a good choice. Yeah, I think so too. And I try her little skillet. You're going to go into the skillet cookie. The skill of cookie does look good.

I am upset because it looks like it's ice cream on top, but it's not. It's just moose. So I do love a skillet cookie. Which bitch are you going to taste, Jackie? I think I have to try the gluten-free. No extra sugar. I think I have to try it. All right, what are we thinking about Chloe?

What are we thinking about Chloe? Is it fucking good? Is it chewy? I thought that moose was going to be disgusting. Yeah, I thought it was going to be disgusting, too. Is it delicious? It's like whipped cream that's like a little bit thicker. Oh, you know?

Oh, I do. No. All right, Chloe. All right, Chloe. It's pretty good. I am going to just stick my fingers into this. I'm sticking my finger into it. Always, no, I can. How do you eat it?

Zero refined sugar. Zero refined sugar. Let's see Courtney. If this is, oh, God, it is harder than I expected. Oh, I just stuck my finger into it. And it is, oh. I have to try this. Okay, I'm going to try.

I got to see. I need to, yeah, you know, and there's, Kylie is not the one dating Timote, right? That's Ken. Kylie is. Kylie's date and Timote? Oh, okay. I would eat her cookie. I would say it's not as bad as I expected it to be. Yeah? But I would never eat it if I... I would never choose to spend money on it and I would not.

Unless like you can't do gluten. It is good. And you're here and it's something that you can eat. It is good. And I don't need to be shady about the gluten-freeness. I know gluten-free is a real thing. To me, there's just something funny about having no flour and no sugar, because those are the two main ingredients of a cookie or a cake. Yeah, this is like what a yoga teacher gets herself at the end of the week in L.A. or something. And then she splits it with four friends or something. That's why it's crazy to me that even that like people bring crumble cookies

a lot of places because everybody knows the box. Everybody knows like, oh, they're good cookies. It's stylized crumble without an E everybody. Just so you know if you're trying to Google. People wait in. line for this shit. Like the crumble cookies are like especially when limited edition drops like the stack fluencers are all over. Did you have to wait in line for the Kim and the Kardashian stuff? No, I got them delivered. I made

somebody else wait in line for it but I will say I paid, I tip them very highly to wait in that line for me because this was, I got them the day it dropped. So because in Los Angeles oh you give these assholes a reason to queue up for

something. Then they're like oh my God it's the it's they. It's Oh my God, I've got to have it. Yeah. Which one are you trying now? Wait, which one's that one? Okay, so I'm trying. I believe the one you said was Kim's.

Kim's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The white chocolate one. This is going to taste like a cyber truck. Hold on. Yeah. It's going to taste like apology for bad political things. Yeah.

And I am going to try just a bit because I am a bitch. It's fine. I mean, to me, this whole concept is a scam because cookies don't have frosting on them. Yeah. This is combining cookies and cupcakes. I don't know. Have you ever been to the mall and had a Great American cookie company cookie? It's like a cookie with frosting on it. Like a cookie cake? It's like when your parents, we were sold these in the 90s as like a treat. And in retrospect, I think that's not as good as a cake. But it was a real big deal to get the cookie cake. And it was just a large cookie with frosting on it. I went to a birthday party recently where there was a cookie cake with like frosting on it. A cake, I'll let it go because you're trying to serve a cookie and you got it. I get that. These little cookies are, they just have so.

much frosting on them. The frosting is doing all the work. When I take a bite, I can taste the frosting. Yeah. And I'm about to try Kylie's Pink Confetti Sugar cookie. And I want to root for, I guess if I'm going to choose one of them to root for it, would be her because she's with Timitay. Woo!

Is that sweet? Wow! Yeah! Real sweet? Wow. I like it, but it's very sweet. See, the frosting looks good, but I don't like these big, these big waxy sprinkles are not my thing. Oh, I'm such a sprinkle whore. I'll do anything for. I like

I like those, I like a hard spherical sprinkle. Oh, I love that too. Oh, yeah, babe. Give me any shape. Crunchy sprinkles. I like crunchy sprinkles. Carr are you one of those moms who orders the die-free sprinkles? No. Yeah.

If you are, God bless you. No, no, no. I don't have that kind of energy. No, no, no. I follow this great influencer, this great, like, register. She's a, I forgot. What's the thing that's more education? Nutritionist or Dietitian?

Nutritionist. I think she's, Dr. Jessica Nurek. I tell everyone to follow her. She's against Maha. She's so smart. She knows of it. And she's always like, people will be like, these dyes are illegal in the UK. And she's like, no, they're not.

They're just named something different. Like all the red dyes and stuff like that. So a friend told my daughter, the dyes are bad for you. So she goes, I know, let's take the skittles and put them in water and soak the dye off of them. And it worked. She put it in water. That's such a smart experiment. And she just ate white skittles and had no problem with it.

That's great. Wow. That is such a fun little experiment for six-year-old. She's a little Bill 9. I mean, oh, my God. My kids are fueled by a red dye, and it's probably not good for them, but I can't. Come on. There's, I got bigger fish to fry over here. I can't focus on the die. MJ, I love your kids.

Kara, I love your kids. And it is just, I really, I love talking to parents whose kids I genuinely actually enjoy. So I appreciate you both. And thank you for trying the Kardashian cookies. Kara, and I'm sorry, MJ, that you just had to watch us eat these delicious cookies way too early in the day. And now we're probably going to be fucked by 1 p.m. Oh, my gosh.

I think that we're going to have a huge sugar crash, and I can't wait for it. Because now I kind of expected after page sevens, which is kind of nice. I'm still thinking about the Chloe one. It's good. That moose, I thought it was going to be disgusting, and it's really good. Good for Chloe. I also really like the Kylie one. She's the black sheep of the family.

The Kylie one is pretty good, but it is, it's a zing. it's a bit. But also if you want to watch me, try out the rest of them. Come on over to Jack That Worm over on Instagram because I'm going to try and, who knows, make a cookie video out of it. I guess I'm getting kooky over here, everybody. And thank you so much, Kara, again,

for joining us on this episode. I do immediately, I just want you to immediately come back because I feel like I didn't even end up talking to you about any of things. I wanted to. Any freaking time, and I toast a glass of strawberries and cream, Dr. Pepper, to you. you both. Thank you. This was lovely. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Yes, thank you so much. And thank you everybody for hanging out with us on this week's episode of

Page 7. We will be back tomorrow with Second Helpings. My name is Jackie Zabrowski. You can follow me on Instagram at Jack That Worm. You can come hang out with MJ and I when we play the Sims over on on Twitch.tv. Oh, no, it's Jackie. And also, honestly, y'all, come start hanging out with Jackie's book club over on the Page 7 Patreon because these. Zuckie Stackhouse books are I am immediately sucked in. We're starting to read the true blood books. We're starting to read the true blood books. And I've never really gotten into the world of true blood.

And I am immediately being sucked in. I did not. So now I... You gotta read the books and then tell me about the character because Suki Stackhouse is a character on the television shows a little bit. I have heard something. And I want to know if the character of the books is more like somebody that you root for. Apparently the book is different than the show.

So I've had a lot of people tell me read the first book and then watch the first season. I watched every episode of the show. Really? Oh shit. What we got to be talking about that? It was pre-kids back in New York. Oh, yeah. I watched all a true blurt.

Slurped it up. And MJ? All right. Let's see here. You should listen to Kara's show. That's messed up in SVU podcast. You should listen to Kara's other show. Who's the bitch right here on Last Podcast Network?

Yes. You should email us at page seven podcast at gmail. and you can join us over at the Patreon, which is patreon.com slash page 7 podcast. We are speaking to slurpin. We're reading Heather Gay's book and my God, it's good. Bad Mormon? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, we're going to have to tell you all about it. Terrific. But thank you all so much for joining us. Kara, thank you again. And we will see you guys for Second Helpings. Bye, everyone. Bye, everybody.

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