Page 7 - You're Gettin' Puck'd! w/ Kara Klenk

Episode Date: October 23, 2025

This week Jackie and MJ are joined by Cinnamon Spice Chai-ara Klenk to goss' 'bout how no one realized "Kiss of the Spiderwoman" was already out, and the fact that there are photos floating of JLo and Benboy lookin' at each other with heart eyes once again! JLo addressed one of her many many lores, RBatz and JLaw did a movie that's comin' out called "Die My Love" and the released fight scene has been raising their eyebrows, and Sabrina Carpenter did an SNL performance that wasn't very well researched, plus the Reebok x Bravo COLLAB that is aimed right at Kara! Plus Ashton Kutcher is bein' super whiney about his missed roles. Then we got a LIST of times that celebrities low-key humiliated themselves by starting one-sided beef with a celeb that was totally unbothered, the blindz, and then Jackie's Snackies starts around 1:14:48.311, with an MJ's Minute Munchies at 1:20:54, and runs until 1:25:04! All that and more on this week's Page 7!Want even more Page 7? Support us on Patreon! Patreon.com/Page7Podcast Subscribe to SiriusXM Podcasts+ to listen to new episodes of Page 7 ad-free.Start a free trial now on Apple Podcasts or by visiting siriusxm.com/podcastsplus. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Oh, put some Rika on it. Oh, put some aleck on it. And that is how you spice up your life, Rika and garlic, it's all you need. Hey, MJ, how are you? Welcome to Page 7. Hey, Jackie. Do you associate our today's guest with various spices? I could. Yeah, I think that definitely, I don't know,

a little bit of cinnamon. I don't know. Is that a good? Yeah. Just cinnamon. Yeah, you're like, cinnamon. Yeah, you're like, I'll start calling you chaya instead of Kara.

Well, I am wearing sort of a color of cumin right now, I would say. What about Kuman calling? Which if you've ever watched The Real Housewives of New Jersey, Teresa Judey is called Komen. Okay, good for her. What she did recently, she's already given up on that task force show that she was on with Gia.

Oh. She was on with her child, Gia? Gia. Gia, yes. And the two of them were on this task force show. I only started watching it because stupid bastard Cody Brown from the fucking,

oh, I hate that. him so much. And I just want to watch him. Sister wives. Yeah, I just want to watch him falter and fail. But I did only watch probably the first 20 minutes of the show.

But Teresa already given up. Welcome Kara. She's got to make some money. Welcome, Kara Klank. I'm so happy to be here. Kara Klank. We've got co-host of that's messed up. Go-Os of obviously

who's the bitch. Who's the bitch? Oh my God. And MJ, I promise you're not the bitch right now. I better not be it. Not yet. By the end of this episode, my goal is to make myself the bitch. What are you going to do? All right. What are we establishing here? How are we bringing out the bitch of MJ? Well, right off the bat, to go back to your spice girls intro, I just saw a really great reel by stay with me, a child psychologist who specializes in teenagers.

But the real was about how in middle school, a very common social pitfall. is the group costume. The group Halloween costume. Oh, wow. Worse than a group project, I imagine. Much worse, because, of course, somebody ends up getting left out, or you all plan it, and then at the last minute, you know, yeah, four out of five of them changed their mind or whatever. Or four of you want to be posh because she gets, like, nobody wants to be scary or sporty, maybe.

Like, who knows? Totally. And in sixth grade, my friends and I did do a spice group. girl's group costume and I think I was the bitch just by being baby, insisting that I was baby. Yeah, I kind of knew you were baby the second that you're given baby. Isn't that bitchy of me? Yeah. It's bitchy. You're a baby in total control of themselves. So you're a bit. You're just a bitch. You're not a bitch all the way. But I guess, Gara, this is a really important question. Which one were you? In the spice girls?

Oh gosh. You know what? I never identified with a specific. Spice Girls. Who's the bitch now? I never did. Who's the bitch now? I love the Spice Girls. I love the Spice Girls, but I just never like, well,

you know what I really, when I studied abroad, it was when Sporty. What kind of broad was she? Everybody loves it. Sporty was going into her solo stuff, and I actually thought a lot of it was really great. So I was like, I like, I like sporty, but I'm not Sporty Spice at all.

At all. So I don't. I like Sporty's solo work. Yeah. I really like Sporty. I had a couple of them on my mixed CDs back in the day. So you're all meld-see. Although.

But I think if I had to pick one, it's probably scary. I feel like you would give a really good sporty, though, even though you are not sporty in character. For a costume. I can put on track pants. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it would be the most comfortable of the outfits because, I mean, you said scary and I immediately felt like you were coming in on my territory.

Oh, no, no. I feel like we need to establish this. If I had gun to my head, which one do I feel like I'm the most like? It's probably scary. Mel Z. Because I'm not a baby. I'm not posh. What's Ginger's thing?

She has, I don't have red hair. Like, and, you know, and I'm not sporty, but I could be scary. So, yeah, you definitely could be scary. I'm scared. But that's definitely going to be you. I'm scared. You are scary as well, Jackie. I could see you dressing as scary.

I could see you dressing as sporty too. You've got the same hair color. You could do a nice slick ponytail like she used to do. This was inevitably my problem, Kara. It's like you saw right through to my soul. They always wanted me to be sporty, but I didn't want to be sporty. You didn't want to be sporty. I wanted to be scary.

Well, you guys were both a little bit younger than me, so I liked the spice girls, but we were never dressing as that. You know. You're just to touch younger than me. What was your middle school group costume? Oh, God. A middle school group costume. Like new kids on the block or we talking like my first comment. concert.

Wow. Because you weren't into, you were just a little too old, I'm assuming, for like the back street boys and in sync and all that stuff. That was all when I was in college, but we, I was into them. But we were all into that stuff, the end of high school and college. But a group costume, like, I mean, a group, my last year, trick-or-treating, I will say, I was a freshman in high school. We all went to, like, 70s, you know?

Like, I don't really have good, like, we didn't really do ones where, like, you are this and you are that and you are this. Flower power. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was kind of inspired. It was definitely a part of the resurgence of a spice girl. certainly.

I remember that era. The whole deal of the catalog was filled with 70s nostalgia, right? But maybe I knew I understood how fraught the group costume would be and I just avoided it. We just never, I don't remember ever doing a group costume with my, with my, not with my middle school friends. I also imagine too, Kara, you would find yourself in the same situation. And I know MJ that this is you because we've discussed this before. And when it comes to group projects that I imagine you as a Vergi baby, Kara.

were probably always in charge of the group project. I always, I was the one, mine was more so out of guilt and the people pleasing that I always felt like I did the most in all the group projects. And MJ, I feel like you had a similar path, right? I do them all, yeah. Yes, I do them all. And I hate them. I hate them and I'll do them because I, well, my problem is, yeah, my anxiety drives me to

compulsively work ahead. And so if I'm in a group and God help you, if you teach grader, graduate students don't assign them group projects. They all have lives. They all have different schedules. And so, you know, I was hard enough to get together to play D&D. So hard to get together. How are you're supposed to do a group project.

And so a lot of people are procrastinators. And without judgment, I'm married to an expert procrastinator. My house will be sparkling clean on the days that he has deadlines. And it's great for me. But I, my anxiety works the other way where if it's due, I have to, I have to be working on it two to three weeks out. And so I'm a nightmare of a group project person. You know, because...

I'm, I am a Virgo organizer, but I'm a last minute. Like, I have to feel the pressure of the deadline, and then I'll really kick into gear. I admire you people. I'll try a little bit ahead of time, but ultimately, it's like, oh, it's due in four days. Let's get going. You know? I mean, I'm in the midst of a couple adult group projects right now because I was telling you guys before you got out of the mic, I'm doing PTA stuff.

And, like, we are doing trunk or treat at my kid's school. And I have... We're doing one car per grade. and I have two kids at the school. So I tried to just put myself on one car and put my husband on the other car. But then nobody with any Virgo skills was on that car.

So now I'm on both. So now I'm on both cars. But we've been doing good. We've been delegating. We've been like, you're doing this, you're doing that because we're all adults. We don't have time. So we're just like, you do that, you do that.

And we'll just see how it comes together on the day. So what you're saying is maybe J-Lo is just scared of you. And this is coming from a Watch What Happens Live, hosted by Andy Cohen, where J-Lo, so J-Lo's been on the PR circuit right now for the kiss of the spider woman. She's back. I saw that during my bravo because, oh, I forgot to tell you,

I am famously still have cable. What? Why haven't you invited me over? Listen, the court is being cut. The court has been cut and my cable is ending at the end, at the beginning of next week. What are you going to do? So I don't know.

I'm sad because the only reason I like cable is because of DVR. It's just like I like everything sitting there in front of me. So it's like, okay, you have to watch these episodes of Housewives. You're due on this SNL. Like, whatever. Like, I like everything sitting there. And I don't know how I'm going to keep track of everything now. That is streaming, Kara.

You just do it streaming. Yes. But you just have to remember where you are. Like, what if you're three weeks behind? You know, like then I got to go into Peacock. It saves your place. I know. I'm shocked.

I miss cable so much. I never used it for DVR because I like to just... Oh, DVR was the reason for the season. Yeah, we're talking to the king of cable. MJ loves cable more than anything. You watch what's odd. It takes away all the choice anxiety. No, not me.

All the decision anxiety. I'm on there going through my DBR. I've got three seasons of Better Call Saul saved on there. I mean, I know I can just go in and stream it, but I forget. Like, I'll forget. I'll be like, oh, wait, I haven't finished XYZ. Like, I have it. I literally still have a few episodes of

10.15 I haven't watched. It ended like two years ago. God, it is such a good. Like, I just haven't finished things because if they're not on my DBR, I can't keep track. You are going to be just fine. I have empathy free. I'm going to invent an app. You just, I don't invent an app where everything is sitting right there. That is streaming. Just put a notebook by your, put a notebook on the table. You're telling me to make a notebook on top of everything else. You are being the bitch. You are being the bitch. M.J's like, it's just a couple of extra steps. 11 minutes is.

of all the shows. Literally, Netflix will be like, you left off in episode three. That's, it's done for you in the app, Kara. I love this. Sure, but if my,

I just, MJ's the bitch already. I can't believe it. If I'm watching some stuff on Hulu and some stuff on Peacock and some stuff on Max, it's like, I want to list everywhere of like, okay, your next stuff you have to watch

is this. All right, I understand that. And, you know, it's like various days of the week. I forget what days of the week they're on. If I go to DVR, like, oh, there's a new Potomac and I just watch it. No, okay, I understand. I also hate streaming.

So I'm not defending streaming. That's all the apps and everything. I understand. So now you're speaking my language. But don't you think my app idea is a good one? I'm going to try to make an app that does this. You're just describing cable. It will, it will know.

It sends you a notification that goes, you have a new episode. You know who tries to do it is Apple TV. Apple. Apple tries to do it, but they don't know everything you watch. No, they don't. But they try to be like, hey, there's a new episode of Star Trek on. I don't get her show. And I'm like, that's my husband's show.

I don't care. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're right. Shut up, Apple. Make it out. No. Guys, we're talking about Jennifer Lopez.

I'm just trying to be an entrepreneur. Please. Anyway, I saw on Bravo that she was doing the kiss of the spider woman and I go, what is this? Like, I had not heard a word about it. Also, throwing it out there. So we have been discussing because they're, we here at page seven, and I don't know how you feel about Benefer. We are still hoping for a third round of J-Lo and Ben Affleck.

Like, we are. are the last bastion of we still think their love exists. I actually kind of love the chaos of that. I love it. Like a picture came up recently of them looking at each other and everybody was like, are they going to give it another shot? Yes, it is. At this point, at this point, I'm like, let's go.

Get back in there. Get back in there. Like, be the Elizabeth Taylor of today. I need it. I worship it. I, MJ and I are both kind of low-key obsessed with it. What would their third wedding even look like? I mean, it would be amazing.

I think that they're meant to not be married, but I do think they're meant to be together. I think, I know that the first time they didn't even get married and then the second time they did and neither of those went well. And those really are your own two options. Oh, you're right. I guess it would only be a second wedding if they got married. Because I think that they were. It would be third engagement. Third engagement.

Oh, that's true. Yes. Maybe third time to charm. But I just, they can't, they can't stay away from each other. And like, we all know the couple in real life that does this. And usually in real life, it's not fun or charming when people. But we're not there for the in-between part. You don't have to deal with all the annoying part of it.

Also, this would be, okay, J-Lo has had six engagements so far. But then that wouldn't add on to the engagements because she's had six engagements but to five different men. So this would be the seventh engagement when it does inevitably happen. And they were on the red carpet for Kiss of the Spider-Woman, which apparently Ben Affleck is like a light producer of. Okay. So they were like flirting on the red carpet. carpet. And in this, man, apparently Kiss of the Spider-Woman came out like a week and a half ago. And I didn't even realize it was out yet. I thought that it was coming out.

I thought it was coming out. I thought it was coming out soon, but I didn't realize it's already out. But apparently a while ago. It's out. In theaters or street? Oh my God. It's out. It's out. No way. It's all kinds out. Nobody's watching it. But they are watching what, watch what happened. live and apparently a long time ago, Jennifer Lopez was on stage and she's like she had said something about that she refused to ever hire singers who were Virgoes ever again. And then Andy Cohen brings this up and she goes, you know, I've thought about this. I do like to joke around. I think I had just, I think I had maybe had just had an issue with a Virgo.

And I was like, if anybody's ever going here, get out. But apparently this has been lore of J-Lo. Because everyone is always looking for reasons to be like, J-Lo is a bitch, J-Lo's a bitch, which she is. And we know that here. But this has been like a part of her lore for a minute. And so this is the first time that she's just like, I was joking, guys.

Okay. And J-Lo, it's just hard to believe that you're joking when like everything about your reputation. is that you're a horrific bitch. And it's hard to believe that like this one aspect of it. It's like, oh, the no eye contact thing, that's real. Or like the me screaming at people constantly and letting my kids do whatever the fuck they want on a set. That's all real.

The Virgo thing, that's just a joke. Come on, you guys. That's a joke. And in the story, she says that people got up and walked out and she says they could walk away, of course, but I'm sure they do. I was joking. And it's like, no, I think you needed to stop them if you wanted them to know that you were joking.

And say, hey, that was a joke. sorry, I was just joking, because people are genuinely scared of you. And you are, did you, I'm asking you this, but, you know, you have two children and I forced MJ to watch this. The, the very important documentary that was released called This Is Me dot, dot, dot now, colon a love story. I did not watch it. That was an extended length music video. The documentary was called, the greatest love story never told.

The greatest love story never told. Which was about her and Ben. And it had been told. And it was told and it quickly, it quickly became the most former love story. In fact, I think it was the catalyst for the love story ending was telling the story. Yes. Sometimes our stories don't need to be told. And she's telling it.

She's reading his love letters that are private and he's begging. Please don't. Please don't. He begs her not to. And she just did it anyway. But we watched all of it. And it really is kind of crazy because J-Lo, I'm girl you tight

And we're very proud of you We're very proud of how hard you worked And yes I have watched The viral video of her Walking through the Bronx where she grew up And walking through as if like everyone was going to be stopping her And then she walked up to the house And she's like and this is my house

And then the guy sitting on the stoop went Who are you? And she went Jennifer And he was Jennifer She's Jennifer's Lopez

And like looks at the camera as if to be like Oh my God. we go. And he just went, who? I don't know you. And that's where it ended. And it's just so funny because J-Lo, and to me, I would be like, oh my God, it's J-Lo. Because I love, and I'm scared of diva bitches. I love them. I love her Mariah. I love anyone that's not doing actual, like she's doing evil. I wouldn't want to work with her. I wouldn't want to be on a set with her. I wouldn't want to be her assistant, God forbid. But hopefully they're all being paid well enough to deal with.

Also, bullshit rotten tomatoes that this is me dot dot dot now, colon love story is 75% on rotten tomatoes. Give me a fucking break. Who's taking the time to go rate the J-Lo thing, though, probably just fans? I just am shocked about the kiss of the spider room because remember like two summers ago she had to like cancel her tour because like no one was buying tickets. But she's if no one's buying. She's good at movies, though. I feel like that's, like, I'm glad for her.

She's not bad at movies, but it's like, it just felt like she was kind of at, like, are people, so you think people would go buy tickets to see her in a movie that would not go see her in concert? I don't think that that's necessarily what's happening. J-Lo occupies such an interesting space because I feel like there is a universal baseline level of respected admiration for her as a dancer and as like a pop cultural figure. And as a fly girl. is an icon, right? Like, there's no question that she's an icon. But I don't know,

and I think her current fan base is like our age or a little older. I mean, that's like her core fan base, I should say. And I guess maybe they're not going to concerts. And in terms of, yeah, I mean, I was so happy for her to see that she was because of the Spider Woman because I feel like she does, like, you know, made in Manhattan.

And like, I feel like she does well in, like, she's a good actress. I love her. Monster and Long. Oh, yeah. You know what I think they need to do is, she needs to be publicly hanging out with Leah Remney more. I think people love their friendship.

And it feels like she goes through phases with her. It's like get Leah Remedy back. We all like Leah Remedy back. We all like Scientology. We're trying to kill her or whatever. We got to read that memoir. I like their little, I like the movies where they're friends. Where they're like the second act or whatever was one that they did. Those are fun.

Let's get them together. Like I want, she needs to be doing more Gail Oprah shit with her. You're right. Yes. Like, you're right. She needs a bestie. She needs somebody who's not been. Because she frames you as a normal person and not a diva.

Because even though you love a diva, like I think it does drive people like to hear. But that's why I love her with Ben Affleck. You're so right, MJ, because Ben Affleck does diffuse her. I feel like he is like the light filter in front of her of like, you know, guys, I'm just going to have a donkeys and have a cigarette. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Donkeys and a cigarette. I love Ben Affleck.

I, it. I shouldn't. He slept with a nanny. I know that. I know he ruined. But I love Ben Affleck. Yeah. I do.

I have a soft spot for him. I can't get rid of it. And I'm sure it will be beaten out of me someday. Don't worry. I don't trust anybody for too long. No, I love Ben Affleck too. Like Argo, like movies that he's in. I'm like, you're good.

You're good. And also, honestly, I feel very similarly to Arbats. And yeah, I'm talking about Robert Pattinson that I only refer to as Arbats. now because if you oh because he was Batman. Batman yes and so and it's just such I think it's fun to call him our bats and if you have ever followed the interview cycle of our bats he loves to lie and that's one of the things I kind of like about him I like that he thinks that everybody's like oh you're so interested in me you're so interested to me so he just makes shit up interesting that is

interesting and has for a long time but also ridiculous shit not like oh his age or oh, his Wikipedia is just like riddled with lies that people are like, well, he said it. Kind of. But it's always like more ridiculous, bigger things. And it really annoys a lot of people, but it always makes me like him more because I think that he's just a fucking weirdo. And currently he is about two weirdos are joining forces to do die my love. And you'd think that maybe I'm talking about J-law as the second weirdo. But no, I'm referring to Lynn Ramsey because Lynn Ramsey also made MJ,

We need to talk about Kevin. We need to talk about Kevin. Oh, wait. Do you know that Jared and I went to one of our first dates to We need to talk about Kevin? Oh, my God. How do you still have children? At like an artie theater in the East Village. Yeah.

At that day, we decided we're having kids, baby. Yeah, no, no. that's not no but one of our first dates was to one of our first we went on a bunch of movie dates we saw the banksy documentary exit through the gift shop and then we saw um fucking we need to talk about kevin that is so funny such a funny and i have a brother named kevin too so we need to talk we are always like we need to talk about kevin and i'm sure you could mj and i do reference we need to talk about kevin and i don't know if it's just in our private life or if we also do it on microphone But I don't know if I was trauma. Is it trauma? The fact that I think about we need to talk about Kevin all the time,

even down to the fact of whenever someone, you know, because as a childless person and as of being a certain age, I am asked all the time by people that don't know me, why I don't have children. And my joking response is usually, have you seen we need to talk about Kevin? I'm going to answer your question with a question. We have you seen?

We need to talk about Kevin. We just had a who's the bitch where someone was like, what do I tell my husband tell his friends who keep pressuring him to have kids? And they were asking for zingers. We should have given them that. We should have given them. We need to talk about Kevin. But the problem is is that not everybody has Kara.

And it is a dated movie at this point for people to still be thinking about, I guess, but not me. And if you're wondering, if you're like, Jackie, never hoight of it. What the fuck I'm talking about? Just as a little like TLDR. Essentially, it's Tilda Swinton is a mother. And the husband, John C. Riley, and I love John C. Riley.

And they have children. And essentially, something weird with Kevin. There's just something weird with Kevin. And it's not like, oh, it's a deeb and oh, it's, it really is a bad kid. The main issue is that I do dislike. giving any money towards Ezra Miller. So if there's a way for you to watch the movie and not pay for it, stream, Kara, welcome to the world of streaming.

You know, you will stream it somewhere. And then, you know, there's no money getting paid to any performers in the streaming. They got my ticket money at the theater. I saw it in the theater. That's okay. They got it back then. They weren't as scary back then. They were a kid at the time.

And the thing that I think is so funny about our constant drive to reference we need to talk about Kevin because we say it anytime we need to use the phrase we need to talk about and we also say it anytime we need to use the name Kevin. So it's something you could really

bring into your life a lot. So many times. So many opportunities to bring it. I also referenced it a lot. The thing about it is that it's not even a stellar movie. They never really get at what's wrong with Kevin.

He's just a bad, it's just like, some kids are born in. I mean, I think it's like a little bit the question of like, can you be born a psychopath? Can you be born a sociopath?

Like, be born that way. And as you know, there is a law and order SVU that takes on this very question, Kara. The episode is called born psychopath. Whoa. And this is the thing. Thank you for knowing that because I also know that episode. The follow up that happens 10 years later is called postgraduate psychopath. No shit. Same actor. Because that that actor went on to be in revenge. I know. We tried to get him on my podcast. It was a past. That's the kids from that episode of SVU that says that kids are born psychopaths, which. But anyway, the reason we're talking. talking about Kevin is because the person who made,

we need to talk about Kevin is the person who's making the new. Oh, got it. Okay. I just pulled up the Wikipedia of Die My Love because I was wondering what the director did. So we need to talk about Kevin. Yes. And other movies as well. But that's just I needed to spring up.

We need to talk about Kevin because what I feel like it is still, I kind of say it's one of my favorite horror movies because sometimes I like to include horror underneath the umbrella of horrifying to have to think about. or deal with in real life because what would you do if your child is a psychopath and is like actually like, you know, diagnosed or actually not. And because maybe there are issues with getting them diagnosed and maybe there's, it's just scary. It's all very, very scary in mental health and the ability to help people with problems. We still struggle with to this day. But really, we are talking about Die My Love, which is a new movie that is coming out with Robert Pattinson and J. Law.

And they are starting to hit the PR circuit for it. Now, of course, Jay Law, she's one of our original, not like the other girls. Because Jay La, uh-oh, you saw other leading women before. But now, of course, I just keep thinking about Allison Stoner because we were just reading that memoir and thinking about J-Law getting the Hunger Games, Catness over reading Allison Stoner's memoir, which they were a child actor that was in like cheaper by the dozen. The white kid from the Missy Elliott work it video. That's Allison Stoner?

That child. Wow. We just read their memoir. They were up for Catniss in The Hunger Games. So now, right, now every time I will see Jennifer Lawrence. Are they still working? They have segueed kind of out of the industry. They're also the voice of Isabella, Anthony's and Furb.

Infineas and Furb. So you might know them through there. Okay, okay. It's just a familiar name, I guess, too. Maybe because I know so many ston ears. Okay, go on. Yes. But now all of these clips are starting to come out of, like, essentially it is, it seems to be,

Die My Love is about a couple that Robert Banzett and J. Law are in the couple. and I really haven't gotten too far into the world of this movie, but I did watch the clip that is going around that everybody is talking about of this fight that the two of them have, this like knock down, dragout fight. And a lot of people are like, the internet is divided.

It's either like overacting much, or it's also the other side of people being like, have you never seen an actual real, really, truly a relationship with two people that are not communicating properly and are not getting along. I think it's tough because I, yeah, I'm curious to hear your take, Jackie. I think the reason people are having such a strong reaction to this scene is, yeah, first of all, it's very evocative. It's like a couple screaming at each other and a dog barking and there's, you know, like what it's like it's. And does make us think of the Randy Quaid sex tape.

Yes, thank you for bringing that up where the dog barks the entire. They both have on masks. What was it? A Roosevelt mask? Yeah. I have liked that. And a Nixon mask. I don't even want this described to me.

Really. Barking the whole time. Yeah. It's just you'd think they would have gotten that dog out of that room. Think about it too much. Also, I think our bats, I think Robert Pattinson and Jennifer Lawrence both have kind of

reputations as actors who take themselves very seriously. Or like Jennifer Lawrence, there was such a, she was so beloved and then there was such a kind of backlash against her. Like, we get it. You're not like the other girls. We get it. You tripped on your way.

get your Oscar. And then I feel like people got a bad for Jennifer Lawrence because I feel like her stock kind of kind of fell pretty quickly. And so now everyone's like, oh, they're like acty, acty acting their way through this like fight scene. But I don't know. I thought it was a good scene. What did you think, Jackie?

I thought it was a great scene and I'm very excited to see Die My Love. I think that it is oh, so it's released on November 7th in the UK so I'm not sure when it's released here, but I'm very excited to see an opportunity because, because I also love our bats.

I know that he is crazy in real life, but I'd love to watch this, because apparently it is J-Law that is giving this explosive performance in it. And she's like, she has PPD, which is part of it. She's like, it's like. Oh, got it. And so that does kind of draw me in to see.

Because I saw it, and for some reason I immediately thought of the movie Revolutionary Road, which I think is kind of the ultimate movie about a dissolving marriage. Great book. I haven't seen it. I know it's Kate Winslet, right? It's Kaye Winslet and Leo.

And it's based on a terrific book, a absolutely stunning book. And the movie came out. And Michael Shannon, yes. Michael Shannon, yes. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go. And the movie came out in 2008 right when I was in a relationship that was ending, which is maybe why in my head it is the, like, ultimate this relationship meets to end movie.

But I thought of it immediately when I saw this scene. But yeah, so it's like a, it's like a kind of like, It's like Jennifer Lawrence and Robert Pattinson's, like, gritty, dark, PPD divorce movie. And I could see that going either way. Like, well, because it makes me think of marriage story. Yes. The Scarjo. And I also liked that movie too.

And Riloh. And Riloh. Ken. I will love a movie where people break up, apparently. Adam Driver. Adam Driver. Let me watch people break up. Yeah.

I'm excited. I love to watch a breakup. Yeah. I mean, oh, I mean, a blue valentine. And if you are looking to get very upset, that's one of my go-tos. Oh, I love slapping on a Blue Valentine. Oh, it makes me so uncomfortable. I've never seen Blue Valentine, but initially movies where people are just like fighting

and the relationship is just dissolving. I'm like, I get stressed. Oh, yeah. It's so upsetting. But that's why Arbats goes on, you know, these interviews circuits to lie. I did pull up some of the lies that Arbats has said in case you were wondering. And he has openly said that he likes the lie. during interviews because he finds interviews

boring. Of course. And he just wants to have a little fun. But so he said multiple times in multiple places that the first time he went to see the circus, somebody died. He said, one of the clowns died. His little car exploded. And he said it on a 2011 appearance on the Today Show when he was when he was pushing Twilight.

What a king bringing clown death to the 8 o'clock hour Crown death. You know, he has claimed that he had a stalker while filming a movie in Spain and that he went out and he had dinner with her. He does feel like that he smells like... Stop giving stalkers hope there. I know that's a whole.

So it's like, don't do that. He thinks that most people smell like crayons. And he thinks that because he thinks most people smell like crayons, that maybe he's actually embalmed. And he also said a quote, I really hate vaginas. I'm allergic to vagina.

All of these things make me... I don't like that. But it is such a stupid thing. How do you make a pasta which you can hold in your hand? Is what he was asking when trying to pitch a business advice. And he wanted to make pasta that you could hold. Finger food pasta. Finger food pasta. And, you know, he's just, I think that it's an interesting choice when you look at somebody who's so attractive.

making those kind of decisions. Yeah. And I like it. Yeah, I like that. I like being weird. I'm also like, yeah, I'm like looking at Jennifer Lawrence's story and like the fact that she just like was so tired of all the scrutiny that she just like stepped back and took a break from acting. And now she's kids and stuff, I think.

Yeah. Yeah. I had a life. And then now she's back and everyone's like, you're acting too hard. You know, I'm kind of like, okay, could we let her be and see? I don't know. I also, this, to be fair, this is the first time I saw like a, this is. the first clip coming out from Die My Love and I haven't like really followed the release or anything.

But I do, you know, I don't know. I feel like Lynn Ramsey does the atmospheric, intense drama very well. Yeah. I think it's going to be awesome. Yeah. But I also feel like, isn't it crazy how they do that to so many of the celebrities? Because I feel like there's a little bit of that going on with Julia Roberts right now too, where it's just, there's this whole thing of like, we don't want our, you know, we don't want our, you know, we don't want our. celebrities as they get older. I feel like there was so much of, specifically, as women get older and how you have to hide and you have to be put away until you're allowed to be a dusted off to come in and play Maggie Smith's roles. You know what I mean? Or it's like, you know, how Pete Davidson was saying to Walton Goggins, like, you get so oversaturated and then there's a backlash. I think that what happened to Jennifer Lawrence was like that but gendered and way before we had like the, the, the, the words to identify this phenomenon. And it was just like, everyone was like, we get it. Your Katness and you were in Silver Linings playbook. Back off, you know.

And I think you're right that there's like this gendered aspect to it where it's like, and I think we could probably go back and find tape of us being like, Jennifer Lawrence is annoying. You know, so we maybe we're part of it or maybe she is annoying. But like there was a way that it was like. I've always liked her because she likes Bravo. Yeah. Oh, really.

Yes. And I thought she was really funny when she hosted like. Kimmel or something. She did, like, she got to host one of the late night shows. Oh, she was super funny. And then,

and I think she interviewed like Kim Kardashian or something. It was really funny. It's like a very funny clip. And I, she just did a movie a couple years ago that one where she did full frontal called, um,

but it was a comedy. Oh my God, where she was banged. Yes. Was that with the kid? With the kid, but she's not, she doesn't actually.

Not banging the kid. Yeah. But it's so, I thought she was so funny and charming in that. She's really come, she's really, I used to be like whatever. on her and now I like love her. Wow. Maybe the tides are turned. So maybe it was like she just had to

become a mom and now I can relate to her and I like her. I'll open my heart for her again. No, I feel like she's just great like yeah, I think maybe it was also like every time she did anything she got nominated for an Oscar. Like remember that joy movie she did about inventing like a mop or something? I couldn't even get through the trailer of that movie. She was fine in that but it was like Oscar nom, Oscar. It's like okay everybody. It was like oversaturation and that we're ready for her again. So I hear what you're saying. Yes. We're ready to take her back at arms. November 7th. I think there are some pop people

that could take a note about let's take a step back. You're in everybody's face. You're bringing up a Sabrina right now. Not Sabrina, but in general, I just think there's some people where it's like you're so, I don't know, let's take a step back and then come back with something great. Or take a step back and maybe look at the creative design of the SNL performance.

Now, this is why I thought you were transitioning into talking about it. as good as transitions as you are, but you go for it. You're killing it, though. I, Sabrina Carper, I did just want to loosely throw it out there on S&L this weekend. Sabrina Carpenter did a performance. And I don't understand why, like what the thought behind the choice was necessarily. But specifically, the performance was done in everyone had kimonos on.

And there were like dancers doing martial arts. movements, but as well as like there were tatamis laid down and everyone had shoes on on the tatamis and it was all just a little bit of a, why are you, why is this? And I actually really appreciate it because Rina Sawayama, who is another pop star and I enjoy her music, came out and said, and the reason why I'm bringing this up is because I actually appreciate this response. And she said, big love to Sabrina, but fellow artists, creative teams, if we are clearly referencing a culture, please can you do so with the research, respect, and care it deserves? And that was it.

And that is what she wrote. Shoes on tatami is jail. Shiro, which is very funny. There's also shoes on tatami is jail. And that is coming from Rina Sawayama, who is a Japanese and British descent. It would have looked totally fine for them to all be barefoot. They definitely could have been barefoot. Like, that was a thing.

It wasn't even what I appreciated about Rina, wasn't even saying like, and you, and fuck you for doing it. It's like, at least do the research to know that you don't put shoes. Yeah, she's not even yelling at your shoes. She's saying if you're going to culturally appropriate,

which I'm fine with. Follow the rules. Just learn the culture. Just do it the right way. Learn the culture. Totally. Because I had wanted to shout out Sabrina Carpenter because there was a news story

from a couple days ago that she's donating some of her proceeds from her tour to the Transgender Law Center. And I love that. And thank you. And that's wonderful. Yeah. That's why I also appreciate that. And I bet you that she's going to come out and be like, I'm sure.

You know. This is all just coming out, like all the Rina Sawayama, like this just dropped. So I imagine that there will be something else coming out of it. I just wanted to bring this up in a way of like saying, I appreciated that Rina Sawayama was just like, Sabrina Carbender, Barner at the States. It's like here's a no, constructive note. Or how about we talk about it? How about we discuss it?

Totally. Yeah, I don't know whose choice that was. I'm not saying, I'm not supporting it. It's just more of a, you know, it can be a conversation. And it shouldn't be. And it shouldn't be. Of like, do you just do a base level of research and engagement. A little bit.

Even I know that. I was like, we know these things. So just think about it for a second. And I did appreciate that. but I forgot where I was trans. Oh, that's what I wanted to bring up, because you brought up J-law and being a Bravo head. And of course, we have our network Bravo head here, Kara Clank.

Just Housewives. Just House. I mean, that's the Bravo. That's the Bravo. Well, I know, but some people, oh, my God. All the below deck, multiple below decks, the seasonal houses, summer and winter, Southern Charm. I've dabbled in Southern Charm, but yeah, I'm not.

Anytime a franchise of anything gets too Trumpy, I got to get out. So, like, I haven't been watching OC this season. Oh, really too much. But I mean, I'm also, it's like all of our housewives, all of our girlies on SLC can be voting for Trump. I know. I know. I know they are. I keep a blinder on.

I keep a blinder about that one specific. That one on show, I cover my ears and I go, la, la, la, la, they're fun ladies. And, yeah, that's what I do. Kind of feel that way about watching most things nowadays. I just'm like, I just don't want to think about it. I don't want to think about it. I'm just going to, but there are things that we have to be thinking about. Like the Reebok and Bravo collab.

I've been getting targeted. You've been getting targeted. MJ, if you would like to look up, the Bravo and Reebok, gave the real housewives their own sneakers. If I do this, if I Google it right now on my phone, it's going to be even more in my shit. Oh, it's already in my feed and they're going to be like, we're getting her. Keep going. It certainly is. Oh, yes.

They say Rola on them. Or they have the different. franchises. That's what I appreciate because Reebok is smart. I was like, oh, yeah, but what franchise? Like, which one did they choose? You can get SLC. There's multiples of them.

I do like the Salt Lake one is cool. I like the Salt Lake ones. There are Rebock and BravoCon has a collab. SLC has one. New York has one and I guess Potomac has one in Beverly Hills. I like them. Which one do you want to buy, though? I could only have.

Elizabeth, it's greatest. The BravoConn design is my favorite, but the only one I watch is SLC, so I think I have to get SLC. Yeah, the Bravo Khan one is cool with the gold. Do you feel like this is kind of like when you wear a band t-shirt that you have to be able to name three songs of the band, but so you need to be all the housewives. What happened in season seven, MJ? Interesting. I would never. Oh, you're pretending to be a housewives fan.

I wanted, when I was in college, I wanted to wear a hot water music shirt because all the cool kids liked hot water music and I tried and I tried to like hot water music and it just wasn't my thing. What's hot water music? It was a band. Oh, okay. But it was just not my favorite band, but it was all the cool people's favorite band. And I listened and I listened and I wanted a hot water music shirt. And I was like, if somebody asks me what's my favorite hot water music song, I will be unable to answer. Oh, yeah.

Oh, damn. These don't go on sale for another week. I know they're not even on sale yet. They're not even on sale yet. I bet they're going to go. They're going to go so. They are cool. They are cool.

I like them. I would not wear the Beverly Hills one that's silvery. I would not wear that one. No, I think I'm also with you, MJ. I think I want the Bravo. Atlanta one is cute too with all the little pinks.

I know. Atlanta's cute. I've never seen a single episode of Real Highside's of Atlanta, but you have your choice, Karen. You can get anyone you want. Potomac. Potomac is a little plain

for how cute Potomac is. Really? Yeah, Potomac is a great franchise. You guys got to get into it. I, you know, I'm in the end of, season seven. I'm in the end of season seven, Roney right now. Yeah. If you listen to who's the bitch, you are going to hear me talking about Dorinda because MJ, I've fallen in love.

And apparently I will fall out of love, possibly in the future. But right now I'm obsessed with Durinda. It's not even like a falling out of love. It's like a falling into concern. You're like, is everything okay with you, babe? Like, you know, but it really gives you an indicator of my algorithm that I tried to search for Durinda and Google was like, do you mean philosopher Jacques Derry, Doc. I don't.

I don't. A little bit different. Actually, MJ, you might remember, because you did watch. She is a philosopher though, Derinda.

Oh, is she? And I don't know if she's still married to Jan. They were never married and they were not together anyone. Oh, surprise.

Sorry I didn't mean to drop that. Yeah, but I figured, I mean, for her, at least. M.J. Derinda was the first one kicked off of the

traders last season. And she made such a big stink about being the first one to be kicked off, that they brought her back for the next season. So that's what kind of person Dorinda is in case you were wondering, MJ. So I got you. I am really losing myself over there and Roney. I have at, it's so funny, up top I had said to Kara, I was like, you know what?

I think I don't give a fuck about Ramona. And I feel like if I specifically remember what you said, Kara, that you were like, you're going to go on a journey with Ramona. You can't even make your assumption about how you feel about Ramona. I mean, Ramona's an objectively terrible person. Yes. And you're only going to find that out more and more as time goes by. But she's, does she make me want to drink Pino? She's good TV.

She's sadly good TV. She, I mean, as someone that is, I'm trying to do Jackie Snackies, and I would love to have Jackie Snackies that she drinks so much Pino that eventually she has Ramona Pino Grisio. Oh, yeah. Wow. And this is why I need to be. become a housewife. Yeah.

Yeah. Then you'll have your own... All of this. And then I'll have my own shoes. What genre of snack? Would your... Would it be a candy? Would it be a twin-s-name?

The problem is now they're stepping on each other's toes. Like now it's like somebody starts a tequila. Somebody else has a tequila. Somebody starts a weed line. Someone else has a weed line. The jewelry lines. Wait, who's getting into weed lines? Two of the Potomac people.

No. Do I need... Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah. Wendy and Stacy. Wendy's husband, Happy Eddie.

they just got arrested for fraud. I mean, this is why if you like true crime. Oh my God. We've been saying this. I say this on That's my stuff all the time. Another podcast that's not about Bravo where I talk about Bravo all the time. You literally, it is true crime. I mean, like, there's currently a housewife of Salt Lake City who's in jail.

They're constantly getting arrested and getting sued. These two, this couple of Real Housewif's a Potomac and her husband. And her name's Dr. Wendy. She has multiple degrees. She was an adjunct professor. I thought you were about to say in name only. No. Dr. Wendy, she chose that as her first name.

She literally constantly talking about how educated she is. She was an adjunct professor at Johns Hopkins, I think, like a great school. They went on vacation. When they were gone, their house got quote unquote burglarized and they claimed $450,000 worth of insurance stuff. And then proof came out that they still own some of the stuff and that some of the stuff was returned to the store. So self-burgle. So it's full, they got seven counts. It's like felonies.

And they look high as hell in their mugshots. You can't do that. Like Google Wendy and Happy Eddie mugshots. Like they look too, I'm like, a couple of my friends go, she looks like she's in the movie Smile in her mugshot. Like they're just. Oh my God. Oh, they both look high.

They look like they're high. And it's like really crazy. But he was starting his own cannabis line. And then another girl started one like a month. and they were arguing about it, but it's like, I guess she's going to get to do it now because you're going to be in jail.

You're going to be in jail. You're either going to go to jail or even if they get out, I don't know if you're allowed to, even if they get, you know, some kind of, even if they make a deal, I don't know if a cannabis line's going to happen.

Yeah, if the cannabis line, but you know Bravo would bring them back on in a heartbeat. I am just waiting for the return of Jen Shaw. You know it's coming in the future. But, man, this season of SLC. Supposedly, they fired Wendy, which is crazy.

supposedly. This is all supposed it. Supposedly they're firing Wendy and it's like, but Teresa, we wait, we had a coming home from jail special. Yeah, and Teresa is still all over every other reality show. Especially because those are both financial crimes. Like, no one's really a victim. Like, you're not allowed to commit them. It depends on how fun the crime is. I think that. Jen Shaw has victims though.

Jen Shaw has been. You're right. You're right. Crime's not fun. Yeah. You're right. She's evil. You're defrauding old people of their money. Yeah. I feel like all the tax stuff. Like every time. it's like a celebrity with a tax off. I don't give it shit. Yeah, I don't want to pay taxes either. If I made that much money, I would probably especially not want to

pay taxes. I do because I fucking am scared and filled with a Catholic guilt that can never be resolved. Oh, when I heard about the insurance fraud with Wendy, my first thought was, could I do that? Right? Can someone teach me? Can I go buy a couple Gucci bags and then say I got

fraud, like say I got robbed. Oh, I'm fraud. Stage of robbery. Oops. I don't know. I'm brought in. me think about all you don't watch enough housewives but many of them have had their houses broken into. Wow. So it's like are you all self-burgling

or are you, because it's like that happened to Kim Kardashian and France that was very real. Like you are flaunting your wealth online people are going to find you but also some of them feel like they're fake. So I don't know. Whoa. Well now I want to go down that rabbit hole. Oh my god. But another rabbit hole.

Self-burgle also sounds like Yeah. You're doing something. Yeah. You're doing something. Yeah. I'd rather be self-gurgling. Let me stop it down there. You behave yourself. No, I'm, I was so annoyed.

I was so annoyed at this headline that I, and this article that I had to share it with you both. And there's really not much to say. But it's just the fact that, guys, can we pour one out for Ashton Coucher? Because like, a while ago, we had to send out that apology video, okay? And that was difficult for him. And now, Ashton Coucher. admits it's hard for me to say he's missed out on roles because of the way he looks because a white man

it's hard for a white man that's straight to get a job anymore and he what are we supposed to are you fucking kidding me this is really kidding me he's on a panel I know it's on a panel I'm not defending him okay I get him off the panel he's doesn't have anything to say, right? Like, this is one of those times, sometimes I'm not, I could feel, I'm neutral on Ash and Couture's work, but some actors, they start talking and you're like, get, shut up, shut up, shut, you don't have anything to say. Your brain is not complex enough to be on a panel.

And that's how I, he's going on and on. He's going on and on about beauty and, and, and society. You know what I mean? It's like, it's like a guy at a party that you don't want to talk to. And you're like, oh, my God. that honestly took a big old rip of of a Coke line and you're just like, and I'm not, so stay away from me. I don't want to hear whatever you're going about.

Guess who else has missed out on roles because of the way they look? Every single person. Every single person. Literally, like, Leonardo DiCaprio, I'm sure, has missed out on roles because they're like, we're looking for a totally different guy. Listen to this fucking quote. You're trying to tell a story with pictures and the picture you need to create. a feeling for the audience.

Yeah, buddy. Way to describe the fucking project of film. Yeah, that is what it is. Shut up. And this is coming from the man that needed to be so method that he followed the fruitarian diet of Steve Jobs and then to the point that he was hospitalized because he needed to do it for his art. He's so, he just needs to shut up.

like, yeah, between that, right, I forgot about that. Because I was never that 70s show person. I know some people love it. And yeah, whatever. I loved it. I loved that 70 show. And honestly, their love, like, the whole, like, Ashton Kucher, Milakunis thing. Because I loved that 70 show so much, it filled my young heart with such hope and

inspiration. And, of course, Milakunis, his name was Jackie on the show. So that, and that was before me going. and that's my name. So I actually just enjoyed it. And I was in love with, I was in love with all of them. And unfortunately,

I was in love with Danny Masterson, but we try to pretend like that never happened. Yeah, yeah, okay? Yep. But Ashton Coucher is annoying. And he was annoying back then. And I'm saying this is someone that also used to watch the big,

the trucker hat show. I watched the, I watched the fucking. The ranch? I don't know. I'd rather be watching the Buffalo. dipping. Not the ranch. I was thinking of

a bleh. I forgot I was saying. The show he's making is about a sexually, the thing he was doing the panel for is called the beauty and it's about a sexually transmitted virus that, quote, makes those affected more beautiful

but with deadly consequences. It sounds like you're trying to redo the substance but make it sex. But with Ashton Coucher. And then have him talk about like how his appearances kept him down.

Get out of here. Wait a second. Also, wait a second. Now this is making my head explode even further, which also, de me, is his fucking X. And then you're going to come in here and start slamming about how,

oh, I can't get a job anymore because now people need to be hired that that are actually capable of doing the job. And then you're going to fucking have the balls to essentially kind of make a movie that's kind of like the substance. in any way she performed, when to me blew anything you've ever done out of the water, Ashton Coucher.

But have we not talked either on Who's the Bitch or right here about how nothing is an accident? Like, look at us right now talking about this show. I'd never heard of it. We're only talking about it because he said some dumb shit. I know. And it's like, they're basically like, what's the dumb thing he could talk about for this that we can pull out and make it to an article? Like, I don't think any of this is an accident.

Of course not. I think it's all like let's talk about how so that people could be like, yeah, you're a hot, straight white man. Of course, like, you have to be complaining. Like, that's annoying. He has that level of self-awareness, though. I think he's just, yeah, but he, but I bet you his people do. Like, put him on a panel. He'll say something dumb.

Put him on a panel. Like, he's going to say about how he's missed out on opportunities. I mean, I actually, yeah, on that 70s show, I thought he was a better actor than Milakunis was. But I think she's grown to be a better actor. She was such a baby. She was a baby. She was like 15. He was very one note, but was very, I loved the show.

It was great. I didn't realize that we've been talking so much that it's time for the list and we pass the time for the list a while ago. So it's time for the list. Hey. I'm on the list. It's not me. But I have the list. Don't worry.

You can do this list in two parts if you need to. Whoa. We might have to. Times that celebrities low-key humiliated themselves by starting one. one-sided beef with a celeb who was totally unbothered. These always make me smile, especially

when it includes someone like a Mariah Carey. Like when Eminem went after Mariah Carey and the M&M Maria beef began in the early 2000s when Eminem claimed on multiple songs that he and Mariah had a romantic relationship. Mariah

denied this. Why are you so obsessed with me? And things escalated from there as rumors swirled that Eminem was sitting on voicemails from Mariah that could prove otherwise. Mariah's then husband Nick Cannon was also brought into the drama. As Eminem continued bringing Mariah Nick up in public, Mariah pretty much left him to do his thing. Once telling the New York Daily News, I don't know what the name is doing. It's a little excessive.

Which is honestly hilarious. And in 2009, she's subtly, or not so subtly, hit back with her now iconic disc track, Why is some obsessome? Which was accompanied by a music video famously featuring Mariah dressed as a man who looked a lot like Eminem. This is all, of course, Eminem hits back with his own thing.

But then after that, Mariah Carey, okay, she drops the disc track and then was like, done with you. Don't give the fuck about you anymore. Doesn't even write about him in her memoir. So she's not even fucking thinking about you

Bitch. And I'm not getting into the whole Taylor Swift-Charlie X-X thing. I'm not getting into it. We've heard it. We've heard about this. This, I feel like I remember reading. And I'm glad that he at least did apologize. Matthew Perry and Keanu Reeves. So before his death in October, 23, Matthew published his memoir, Friends, Lovers, and The Big Terrible Thing, which I will say thank you to everyone that has encouraged us to read this. We do a celebrity memoir show over on Patreon. And we do want to read it, but also I appreciate the fair warnings of, It's very sad. But in it, he makes a number of personal revelations, including what seemed to be a surprising disdain for Keanu. While mourning the death of his former co-star River Phoenix, Matthew wrote, It always seems to be the really talented guys who go down. Why is it that the original thinkers like River Phoenix and Heath Ledger die,

but Keanu Reeves still walks among us? How dare you, RIP, but how dare you? The comment could have been brushed off as just a little odd, if not for the fact that he repeated it later in the book while recalling Chris Farley's death. He said, I punched a hole through Jennifer Anderson's dressing room wall when I found out. Keanu Reeves walks among us. Matthew Perry, get off it. Yes. And then afterwards.

Once okay. Twice. Twice. So then, of course, after the memoir drops, people go to Keanu Reeves and they're like, what's going on? And essentially, and Keanu Reeves has no idea, Matthew eventually, like gave, he issued a public apology and said that the comments would be removed from future editions of the memoir. He said, I'm actually a big fan of Keanu. I just chose a random name. My mistake.

I apologize. No, no, no, no. You have an editor. You have an editor. Your editor definitely came to you and said, are you sure you want to mention Keanu Reeves twice by name as someone who shouldn't be a lot? alive. Also, somebody who has famously dealt with incredible loss himself and depression issues and like everything that Keanu Reeves has been through and what he has lost. Oh my God, he's lost some. Oh, no. Yeah. He is. I think you're going to tell me and I'm going to remember,

but he has experienced horrific loss and grief. And so to specifically, like, anybody, and this was known, this is not new. Like, this was known at the, surely at the time Perry was writing his book, why wasn't someone in the room editing that book and being like, Keanu Reeves is not the person You should complain about not dying, given how many people in his life have died. Wow. All right. Well, I forget you Matthew Perry because R.I.P. But that's not cool.

Yeah. But it's not cool. I'm skipping right past Pete Davidson and yay because, right? But also, I do always love to bring up what honestly lives inside of Holden McNeely's brain rent-free. Because we do weirdly watch the Lady Marmalade song on Jackin on Fridays. fairly often. The video? Pink, Maya, Christina.

But over the course of her long career, Christina has been repeatedly targeted by fellow musicians like Eminem, Britney Spears, and Pink. In particular, it's thought that Pink's beef with Christina stemmed from them clashing while working together on Lady Marmalade

in 2001. Then she apparently became even more resentful when the song Beautiful was given to Christina instead of her in 2002. But I will say they're both beautiful about what they say in the years since Pink has been accused

of mocking and shading Christina in what has been described as a one-sided feud and while they appeared to bury the hatchet in 2016 Pink reignited the drama in 2023 by insinuating once again that Christina was difficult to work with on Lady Marmalade. A month later in an interview with allure

Christina got real about the hate and scrutiny she faced through her career saying, I'm a very sensitive person, but I'm also very tough at the end of the day. And I guess that's a classy way of saying, bitch, jump off me, or maybe X-Dena was that much of a bitch. Because here's the thing, I love pink.

Me too. And I follow pink, and I love all the aerial work. I love how she seems to be as a parent. I really like pink. Yeah, I love pink. I went to her concert, I cried. Oh my God, with all the aerial work was an insane. Yeah, but also she just like played a video about like something that made me a sad.

I don't forget what it was. I think our country, I don't know. And it was like years ago. I mean, it was like 2018 or something we went there, 17. Yeah. That's nuts. All right. Now, I know that we need to move on, but I do want to say this one last one because this is one.

I didn't realize and I feel like there's a couple of things a part of this. Patrick Schwarzenegger versus Austin Butler. And apparently, earlier this year, it was reported that Patrick Schwarzenegger was actively campaigning

to star as Patrick Bateman in Luca Guadignino's upcoming American Psycho remake, which led fans... Oh, yeah. Guadena Niño it, yeah. Making more sexy Guadenae, and then, apparently,

they dug up this alleged ex post from Patrick Schwarzenegger that said about him being tied to the role, I love Austin Butler, but he's already a star. I feel like Luca movies are perfect gateways for a newish actor to have a breakout performance. Are you talking about himself? Patrick Schwarzenegger?

But here's the thing. Patrick Schwarzenegger, I feel like interesting that you're going to be throwing that at somebody and being like, yeah, you should give somebody like, Me shot. Some nobody. Who's never had a shot just a nobody.

Oh, me. Excuse me. That is so ridiculous. And I'm not even saying, don't be a nepo, be a nepo, but don't be a nepo claiming someone else is using structural privilege to get apart. You are a nepo. You got to be careful about that. And is Butler a nepo? I don't think so.

I don't think so. But then apparently in May of 2024, Patrick Schwarzenegger, quote, tweeted a post about Alston being considered for Rolls. in upcoming Pirates of the Caribbean in Hercules movies, and he wrote, come on, man, share a little bit. That is so cringe. I am so icked out. Like, that is such a...

You are a Schwarzenegger. You're a Schwarzenegger, buddy. What are you talking about, bitch? And you did a great job. Again, I have no... I like Patrick Schwarzenegger. Did a great job in White Lotus. You did a great job?

No complaint. Someone else already has his foot in the door. My name's Patrick Schwarzenegger. You guys, he played a great job playing a rich Republican douchebag. I think that was a stretch for him. Right? He was great, but it's like he got fixed because

does that mean you have casting people off the face. You've got to have a punchable face. Yeah, like he does. And I will say Patrick Bateman also has to have a punchable face. But I don't know. I mean, and I'm not saying that he would have been a bad Patrick Bateman. But cringe, dude. Really, it's not a, it's not a good look.

That's going to be my list for you. because they started so late. But one-sided fudes. Well, I've got one-sided vision, except it's zero-sided vision. I think I've gone. Blind! Items! Ah, we can't see them.

All right, Carrie, get ready to do some guessing. Oh, we're guessing. I love this part. Yes. Okay, yes. The stories, this one, well, you'll see. I'm bad, but I love doing it. You'll know this one.

The stories the former wannabe rapper is telling about his ex are true. The problem is that he is using her. for money and he is making himself look like a saint when he wasn't. Plus, he knows she can't sue because she would have to admit she isn't mentally fit to sit for a deposition. I mean, I feel like this is about Kevin and Brittany, right? It is. It is. And I usually try to avoid Brittany in the blinds, but obviously this week with Kevin's fucking memoir coming out.

We're going to get into it in second helpings. We definitely, there's been a lot of, there have been a lot of bomb shes. Boom shells, boom shells entering the villa from Kevin Federline's memoir, which is very interestingly timed right around when he stopped receiving child support. So, let's... Oh, yeah, because are both the boys 18 now? The bastard. They, he got support after that as well.

So it's like now interesting how the chirp, chirp, chirps of things that, and I'm not saying, you know, we'll get into it. But it also seems like little rat needed some more fucking. money. Even the blinds are saying that he's just doing it for money and he is not a good person. I refuse to read it. I refuse to purchase it. I mean, he's a horrible person. We won't be reading it. We will not be reading it. But how about this one? I hope nobody reads it. Why would you want to read a word, Kevin Federline read? That's the thing. I know. Also, all the bombshells entering the villa, you can just read on people magazine. Just go read the bombshells. And we'll talk about it on second helpings. I know. All right, this is another one in the blinds. I usually try to avoid, but this is just one of those blinds that's written in a fun way. The one thing, the illiterate one,

illiterate meaning, you know, same first and, same letter first and last name, illiterate. The one thing, the one thing the illiterate one doesn't have control of in her world is her drinking. Sydney, Sweeney. No. Wow. No. Doesn't have her trust?

No, they don't even drink. No. So somebody that has control. A lot of blanes about this person every single week, and they're always completely off the chain. But this week, it sounds like, I don't know if it's true, but this person is having a hard time. The one thing she doesn't have control of in her world is her drinking. I do like a easy, very, sad. Do you have any hints? Okay, I've got so many hints.

How do I give a hint that is not? I need to start preloading my hints. Okay. No, I like this on the floor. Honestly, it's good. Because, you know, we've got to figure it out. She does so many different things. She's got...

But it's not goop. It's not goop, but in the same world of aesthetics and... But first and last name's the same. First, name last name, same letter. Letter. And we were in the kitchen. Oh, Rachel Ray? No.

We're not only in the kitchen. We're in the garden. Megan Mark. goal. Yes. She drinking. Oh no. Maybe that's why she was holding

the tongs upside down last week. Maybe that's why the tongs were upside down. Yeah, she drank in. I mean, again, the blind items are obsessed with her in a way that is truly appalling. And I really do try to avoid it. And mostly because especially after we did

read Spare the Prince Harry memoir and especially with like how much that they have to spend on security just because he lives in a fear of what happened to his mother. And he is a forever fear. He's so terrified that that's going to happen to his wife and his children. Which I completely, like, all of my feelings, it's like, I have many feelings about Megan

Markle as a lifestyle influencer. But when it comes to like that kind of stuff, and it's like, I hope that she gets the help that she needs because she probably can't talk to anybody about it. It's probably very, like, I'm sure she lives a very lonely life. Yeah, and the PR against her is. Montecito, does she have any friends? Like, who are her friends? I mean, her friends are like,

Mindy Kaling. Like, it's hard to know because a lot of the, like, we are coming over to, you know, jam and everything. Put the jam in the jars. Okay, so this last one, who knows, Carrie, you might know this one. Jackie, I think that you,

this is a bit of a deep cut. Certainly some listeners out there will know. Oh, okay. But you're going to have to harken back to a year or two ago's conversations, Jackie. Oh, fair and hearkening. Okay. The A plus list singer, A plus list singer, and the coder have been having late night chats on the phone.

The phone calls have increased to every day since the singer's special moment. I don't know why they are calling this person a coder. We know her as a model. Also a special moment like my solo and the choir performance? They call them special moments, Kara. You told me. The singer's special moment is not, was. not a solo.

She had a different special moment. And the person that she is texting with is somebody who we have, let's see, how do I, okay, this is a bit of a conspiracy theory that some fans of this A plus singer believe that has to do with her sexuality. Yeah, you're making me think of Taylor Swift and Carly Clause or something. Yes, Karen, the job. They're texting again. Why are you probably Carly Clause a coder? I don't know.

I don't know. I'm so lot. I mean, there's got to be the way. Oh, because doesn't Carly Clause like give money for girls who code? Isn't that one of her things? That's one of her things. Code with Clausey.

Yeah, yeah. She does like a code that offers free coding bootcamps and resources. Oh, man, see, now this. Can wait, Alice's order like this. Now that's great. Carly Clause, a program that offers free coding bootcamps and resources

for young women, girls and non-binary teens. That's fucking great. So this blind item, though, is about how they're texting again when they apparently haven't been friends for a couple years, right? Well, they haven't been friends, Kara, because Cruel Summer's about her. Okay. The Gaylor's out here.

Some of us identify as that, like, we know that Taylor Swift is having sex with women. Right. Oh, I know about the Gaylars. Yes. Okay. So they haven't talked in a long time. Yes. Because you think that they really were together and there was a breakup?

That is what I have been led to believe by the Gaylars in my life, Cruel Summer is describing the apartment that she lived in when she was with Carly Clause. I'm drunk and back of the god. And ever since she got engaged, she's maybe, I don't know, having second thoughts and is returned to her lover. That's what the blind is suggesting. I didn't write it. These blinds can be completely made up, right, if they want to be.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Very easily made up. No, they're horrible. I'm not even remotely convinced that Megan Markle has a drinking problem, but I am convinced that her world sucks right now because there's so much shitty stuff going on with the royals and how they talk about her. But we were making jokes last week because in one of, in her book, she is canning, she's in the process of canning and she is holding the tongs in the canning pot

upside down. I like, I want to like her. I want to like her. I want to like anybody that said you to the royal family. Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Why has she not found the right PR guru that can make likable. Everything she's done, every decision she's made since they left England is like a bad. You are. And you are right. Because I understand. And I'm not a hater. I understand you. I want to like her. I think she's beautiful. I think her story is cool. Totally. Totally. Totally. Like, you know. I am waiting for the memoir that I will eventually read because the thing is that I thought, we thought that we were going to love her more after reading spare. but Prince Harry is still a prince

and has a lot, had a lot to write because the book was so... Had to write about himself, much more than he wrote about her. Right. He really barely wrote about her and what... I mean, and to be fair, he couldn't write from her perspective

and it's not for him to write. Right, right. And obviously, she's working on a memoir, so I will read... I'll read the memoir. I'll read it. Chapter one suits. I will...

Even before then, apparently, she was doing a lot of, like, charity work. Like she's known for her charity work, but also then tell me more about it because right now society is told to hate her. And I think it's hard. But also though, like the doc that they had come out is where people really started turning against her and she's a producer of that. So she had her own.

And also here on page seven, I, and we personally got very annoyed because they were given millions of a Spotify deal that she didn't do. When we got like as a network, it's like in a time period when it's very. dicey, like surprise everybody, what we do is not a stable environment. So to have someone come in, waste millions of dollars and not do the content looks, makes all of us hurt in the long run. And it's just why. Yeah, it's hard to look, yeah, to get all that money to not do.

And then to look, obviously, every celebrity is out of touch. Every celebrity. It's like the Kim Kardashian not knowing how much milk costs. Like every celebrity is out of touch. So it feels, it feels like I am trying to check myself for being like I'm a by the way she's out of touch. Why am I not annoyed? By the way, J-Lo's out of touch.

I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, right, right. But I think it's maybe because we wanted so much to like her. Yeah, maybe that's it. Like she, I think it's like, we wanted to just be like, yes, you were an actor, but you're really just like a girl that married into this crazy family because you fell in love. Don't think the books are royal family.

That's a great story. Like, if you were awesome, you would be the people's princess part two. Yes. But you're just, everything seems so like. Like, like, contrived and, like, not authentic about her. It's tough. It is tough. But I can see again, Jackie, and that is my alliance.

Welcome back. Well, then I guess it's time for my mouths. It's Jackie Snackies. I've been a snacky girl. Snacky. I've been a snacky girl. Snacky. I've been a snacky girl.

Snacky. I've been a snacky. Snacky. Snacky. Is somebody going to eat those chips? Is somebody going to dip those dips? Is somebody going to try those candies? I got seminar.

I say I'm a snack lead. This is where the misophoniacs have to turn off the pot. Yeah. And this is where, and I always appreciate April, usually puts in the time stamp underneath the episode. The eating begins here. The eating begins so that people know. Oh, I forgot I was going to get a little snack.

You are going to get a little snack. Now, you do have an option, Kara. I was between two things for you because I didn't know how you felt about either one. Now, I know that I don't have to bring in things just that I know you like. But I am between, how do you feel of lemon versus pickle? Which do you prefer in a lemon taste or more of a pickle persuasion? Didn't I eat something pickle when I was here last time? I think I had a pickle goldfish here one time.

Sounds like me. Let's go lemon. I like citrusy stuff. This is great. Yeah. I'm very excited about these because this was sent in by a listener and you can send in your own jack Snackie's Snackies. Two, Jackie Snackies, 4804, Laurel Canyon Boulevard number 378, North Hollywood,

California, 9-1607. Ooh. This is great because my snack is also lemon theme. Oh, my God. You also know that I love Utt's potato chips? I love us. When I go back to New York City, I'm at the bodega every night getting us. And so this is why I appreciate our listeners so fucking much because we can't get it here.

I can't get it here, and there are so many regional snackies. So I was encouraging people that I was like, if you've got regional limited edition shit, please send it my way because it doesn't make it to Los Angeles. Now, this one is coming in from Marin. And Marin also, oh, great. Merin is also a Who's the Bitch listener as well. Hi, Marin. And also, Marin says, I saw these intriguing chips at the store and promptly bought two bags.

I shared one bag with my Dungeons and Dragons group. I just wanted to say, Marin, I do this. The same thing with all of my Jackie Snackies. They all get brought to the D&D group. And I make all of the other ones eat it. And don't forget to check out Jackie and my husband Jared in Vampire. October 29. October 29.

Bloodbath, Vampire the masquerade. Bloodbath will be coming to your eyeballs and your earballs soon. But this bag was so, and I love this response there. Dot, dot, dot. interesting. I think I could get behind lemon flavored chips, but these are definitely

lemonade flavor. Oh, like a lemonade. Oh, like a shi- like a hint of lime-esque flavor. I will throw it out there.

Outs, great. Not only an amazing company, this collab is actually with a partnership with Alex's lemonade stand, which is a foundation for childhood cancer. So thank you, Uts.

And let's get We're helping with our snacks. Okay, it's not like, it's not slapping me in the face with the lemon when I open it, at least. So, all right, we are beginning, Kara. You may enter. Okay. I'm getting some. Let's see.

I'm going to chew away from the mic. Because Kara does not like hearing. Yeah, she, oh yeah, you have misophonia. Are they going to be sweet, I wonder? Yeah, this isn't for me, really. No. No. I want to help those kids.

I want to help those kids, but you're going to have to find another way to help those kids. We're going to have to send cash. That's probably better anyway. It's just like, yeah. Wow. Wow. But here's a thing.

Okay. They're kind of growing on me as I eat more. As I was eating at first, it was a shock. You're right, MJ. It is a little bit sweet. There is the sweetness. Marin, you are so correct. It is heavy on the A side of it. There is a great lemon flavor to it. But hear me out. Now, I love an UTS, but I'm also a bitch for a dip. Sometimes some of the

problem with Uts is that they're too thin of a chip to be able to pick up a dip. That's true. They are a thin chip. But I think that these chips, because of that pop of lemon, oh my God, with like a spicy, cheesy dip. Really? Maybe. Oh, my. like almost, I think that it would go so well with it with just like a little bit of citrus going with something spicy and savory. I feel like I would really fuck with that. Interesting. Because there's also Les Limon that I've seen and I've always wondered if that's more like the

lime, hint of lime kind of spite like, savory. I think it is. Also, and I meant to bring them here because I did find the zombies talkies that I wanted to bring in because I know. I'm sending them to me. And MJ, you were on a, you. You were on a talkies role. Yes.

And I'm, I don't know if talkies are for me. Those zombie ones, I literally was just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I, it was so much that there's no, like, I couldn't eat another one. These, I immediately, now I could eat this entire bag. I definitely, they are interesting, but, and I could. It's just making my mouth, like, pucker when I first put it, like I'm going, oh, you're getting popped. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

It's pucking me real good. there's a puck in there. But again, within UTS, I love them so much. I kind of feel like I could eat through any flavor. Like, yeah, if I was sitting watching TV, I'd be like, oh, these are, these are sour, but I would still keep eating them. Well, you know, I'm glad you brought up spicy chips, Jackie,

because I think I have a thematically related snack today. Oh, do you? Ooh, ooh, everything they snack every minute punches. Ooh, all right. What's inside your pack? I've got that. but Cheetos Flaming Hot Lemon. Whoa.

Which, you know, I would say is like, I also have Cheetos Flaming Hot Dill Pickle! I'm glad I didn't pick that because you know I've never had a Flaming Hot Cheeto in my life. Oh, yeah. You got to start. I'm too scared. Start with the straight up Flaming Hot. I've had the Flaming Hot pickle and they're fucking awesome.

I'm too scared. I'm really scared they're going to like blow my ass out. I'm glad I didn't do this to you then because I would have blown your ass to Kimbuk. I'm scared. The limon had me go down a bit of a rabbit hole because I showed them to Freddie. She's always very interested. My seven-year-old is very interested in what I'm going to try for Jackie Snackies. And she also is in a dual-language program where she speaks Spanish half the day.

And she said, oh, it's lemon flavored. And I said, I think it's lime flavored. And she was like, no, lemon is lemon. And I was like, but at the bodega, when you ask for a lemon, they give you a lime. And so I'm now at a website called Diminer. cooking.com that is about the various different ways that you say lime or lemon based on different countries. It's more popular in some most Latin American countries to say limone verde for a lime. Okay. But then it depends. So sometimes limon might mean lime and sometimes it might mean

lemon. So that's just your little... Thank you. Limon Amarillo, yellow lemon, lemon, lemon verde lime but that also changes by region so that is what I learned today I think that these are going to be like a lot the way that tachis are like chili and lime yes my daughter also in a dual language class and likes to tell me which of her friends eat hot cheetos because she would never try one well you guys don't like spice remember that one time oh poor oscar ate something spicy off my plate it wasn't even that spicy he's a drama queen oh my god I felt so bad and I was like, I'm sorry, Kara, I'm sorry. And Kara's like, he's a one that took it off your plane.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I said you re-putt you so four-year-old. It was very funny because I love Carra's parenting. I love him. Just like, you'll be fine. Have some water. You'll be fine.

And he's just like, ah, ha, ha, ha. And it's like, because it really wasn't that, smiling. I wasn't. Kids love, kids love. I call him Scarlet O'Hara all the time because when he gets mad, he runs out the front door of our house onto the porch. That's so funny. Our tiny porch and just wails.

to the neighborhood. Wales. All right, what do we think? Yes. They're great. I know a lot of kids like spicy Cheetos or like hot Cheetos or tockis. Yeah. Don't like other spicy foods.

These, I think that these are great. It's like the same like, yeah, the lime flavor, the lime spicy flavor of a tocki, but like the texture of a Cheeto instead of like a toky is much crunchier. So crunchy. So crunchy. Like a much thicker corn chip. And this is like a Cheeto, but it has that like citrusy flavor to go with the hotness. I say these are better than regular flaming hot cheese. She does.

That's my vote. Wow. Wow. You've heard it here first. Better. Better. I love it. Love it.

Love it. Love it. And thank you so much for bringing in your snackies. Thank you again, Maren, for sending in these lemonade chips. I'm going to go find out what everybody in the network has to say about the lemonade chips and see if they also agree with me. Maybe some kind of spicy. Oh, my God. Like a whipped feta dip.

I feel like a whipped feta dip with like some, like, spicy chips. like the crunch on top. You're going to reverse engineer the dips specifically for these chips and I love it for you, Jackie. Yeah, yeah, I think this is where I need to go with my life. You know, if we're only thinking about dips, it's like, is that a problem?

No. If I could just cut everything else outside of my life, yeah. We should have a dip party. Bitch. All dips. Any time, any day. I've had multiple dip parties. Oh, I'll talk dips with you someday. I love a seven-layer. Oh, my God.

I always make seven-layer. Yes, put a couple extra layers in there. Baby. And thank you so much, Kara. Thank you for having me. I love coming to page seven. This was absolutely wonderful. We love having you.

Of course, co-host of that's messed up, co-host of who's the bitch. Get all of your who's-the-bitch information over at who's-the-bitch.com. Get in your DMs, your voicemails. You're not listening to us. What's going on? What is wrong with your life? Is there anything else you'd like to promote here, Kare?

No, I mean, listen, I run. and I run a live show every week in L.A. a live stand-up show called Better Half Comedy. It's Better Half Comedy on Instagram. If you want to check out the lineups, it's in Echo Park, come by. Love this. And, you know, speaking of your better half,

if you want to check out your not quite as better half. I run it with my husband Jared Logan, who... Yes, not quite your better half that I will be performing with Vampire Blood Bath. And I will be having to, like, flirt with him at times. Oh, God. And I'm really... But him and care.

And character. Yeah, it's going to be very real houseworked here. I'm going to find a fake leg and throw it at you. Oh, you better not with the shoe on it. Oh my gosh. And my name is Jackie Zabrowski. You can follow me on Instagram at Jack That War. And we're starting to get more clip action at you out there. We are slowly now starting to really get to a place where everything is going to be filmed soon. So check out our instas and look out for all of that. We've got LPN Romantic deep dives is starting to get our clips out, hit up the YouTube.com slash at LPN Romanticie to check that out. And you can find me here. If you want to find me here. You'll find me tomorrow too at Second Helpings where we're going to go, I'm sure, scream about Kevin Federline. Definitely. And MJ. You can get our Patreon to patreon.com slash page seven podcast. Oh my God. Zooki Stackhouse is getting so good. It's getting so good. It's getting so good. You must. You must. We love all you guys over there. We, you can eat.

email us at page 7 podcast at gmail.com. Kara, thank you so much for coming. Come back soon. Thank you. I love you guys. And we will see you guys tomorrow for Second Helpings. All right. Bye, everybody.

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