Painkiller Already - Painkiller Already #344

Episode Date: July 28, 2017

This week on PKA, Filthy Robot is back baby! The guys debate and discuss a Patreon exclusive question about transgender people, Woody claims young women have no personality and the guys share their Game of Thrones theories!

And we're live! Painkiller Ready, episode 344 with our guest Filthy Robot. Kyle? Yeah, a couple sponsors tonight. Nature Box, Smart Mouth, and Weight Travel. A brand new one. You want to check those out. Links in the description. But yeah, Filthy Robot is the guest. We've got some fun stuff to talk about tonight. What happened to Taylor's camera? I don't know. My entire Skype window just went away. You're talking to us somehow, but your Skype window is gone.

Is this like a surprise first topic? Am I going to be reacting to this in some way? No, it's a mistake. Welcome back to Skype. No, I'm on Skype right now. Is this what you get for updating? No, I'm not updating it right now. Taylor's the only one amongst us. Now he's gone.

Then upgraded Skype, and now he's screwed. Whenever he gets back, maybe we'll go to the... I almost want to do an ad while we wait for Taylor. It's probably too soon. I think... Let's see if we get him back, right? Hey, can

you do... Can you get the ama questions in the chat i don't have any way to find that link uh-huh am i back yeah audio your audio there we are there you are okay so what happened man that was that was weird like i updated my skype and it turned into they like took the circle Twitter update kind of lead and it got all shitty and I clicked on your camera to minimize it to make my camera center instead of in the corner and the whole

Skype just shut down and I was like oh fuck but I kept hearing you and I didn't know it was happening. So you just watch yourself all show long? Is that what you do? No, no. I was saying so I could move it to the bottom center instead of being in the bottom corner. That bothers me. Oh. Because the way I watch it, I have

all three of you in a row and then my camera at the bottom in the middle and it was irritating. It's not a big deal. It's not a big deal. We're back now. Maybe we should switch back. Yeah, switch back. Kyle, you had a first topic picked out? I was talking about how the South Korean women get those eye surgeries to fix.

Because I think a lot of Asians, it's part of the genetics. They have those, their eyelids are, what do you call it? What's the correct term? The way their eyelids are. Slanty eye, I think. Slanty eye, yes, that's it. But no, they get these eyelid operations to appear more Caucasian. They literally genetically appropriate us, right?

They do. They're stealing our Caucasian eyes. My feelings are so hurt. The results are fantastic. It's a kind of human being that doesn't normally exist. They end up with these big anime eyes that don't even look natural, but somehow are still attractive. See, I'm looking through this list kyle and it is it is very clear like i know that you think just like the irish that all asian people look the same but a lot of these are clearly different

people in the after photo like have you not noticed this like there's that does this uh surgery include dentistry or skin coloration? Because like some of these people are alone. How can they be the same people they have different eyebrows different chins different This is this bitch has blue eyes in the bathroom So so what you're looking at here there are chin implants. They're shaving down their jaws. They're shaving down their foreheads Yeah, these are real before and afters. I thought you were kidding for a second, but yeah, this is just crazy surgery. Girl number two. This is like a comprehensive surgery suite then. It's not just like, it's not just

this eye thing because this is clearly not the result of. So the South Koreans are just addicted to plastic surgery, it seems. The eye thing is the most interesting to me because like that's them sort of just rebelling against basic genetics. It would be like making their nose thinner or their eyes farther apart to try to look like a different race. But, but they're, they're making their eyelids different to look like us.

But the, the, the, the chin shaving and like the jaw stuff and the foreheads, like that's impressive. I got to jump in. Cause some of these women started with handsome, strong jaws.

And then they switch over to these lame little petite jaws. Am I alone on this? Lame little petite jaws? No. Okay, that's one part. I'm with Kyle. The petite, small jaw and chin is a very feminine trait. Those big stop sign faced women in the before

pictures are not the ones that you're interested in okay okay okay scroll around until you find the woman where the before picture is in front of a pegboard and the after picture is a pink background are you with me pegboard to pink background how far down is this uh about 25 percent down yeah i got it if you look at the scroll bar. Oh, yeah. All right, now I ask you, which one of these women looks like they could take a punch? Before or after?

Well, I know that she could find... It seems like a strange criteria. Like, I could probably not. I could punch that woman right in the face. That woman on the left could be a UFC champion. All she needs is a little training. She is built to take a rocking. She honestly went from like

kid the sloth to pretty attractive. Like, look at those eyes. She's, like, she lost a lot of peripheral vision, there's no doubt. But it's a net gain, this surgery, I think. She's a little more antsy. She's like, oh, who's behind me? Oh, she's used to it.

Before the surgery, she's like a goddamn hammerhead shark or something Did you ever see that show? I'm not sure they're the same people I don't think a lot of these are but there are some that you can tell They clearly are the same people This is not the result of just eye surgery This came up as a topic of

These South Koreans with their crazy eye surgery This is not just eye surgery This is not just eye surgery I don't even think it's just surgery I think there's a little Photoshop involved in some of these before and afters. Lighting, Photoshop, makeup.

Some people just straight up switched the person. That was easier than all of it. On the before, Ryan Gosling's the after. Look, it works! If one in four of these is real, this is a pretty exceptional

set of surgeries. I'm serious. Kyle's right. The results speak for themselves. The bottom one in the black and white striped shirt, she looks like she just took a picture from a different angle. But, you know, she's still hot. Did you ever see that show on Fox

back in the day called The Swan? Yeah! The Swan was Yeah. Oh. The Swan was the most hardcore version of this you can imagine. They would literally find like a couple of ugly bitches every episode. And these girls would have problems. All of their teeth would be jacked up like Steve Buscemi. They'd be cross-eyed.

They'd have like a pug nose. Correct me if I'm wrong. They started with thugly girls. The foundation of a good body and ass and whatever is there mostly. Maybe a warthog tooth or a small in vitro twin

that they haven't been able to afford to get rid of. Sometimes there was some weight loss involved. Weeks would go by and they would heal from the surgery. They didn't cut weight. It wasn't like they were hotties who needed veneers. They were different people before and after. They're not big fat balloons

beforehand. Not big fat balloons, but they would be. Sometimes they were chubby. They didn't have good bodies. It wasn't what they do in the movies where there's that geek guy and then all of a sudden they just fix his hair and put him in a tighter shirt. And he happened to be ripped all along and no one noticed. I mean, I've seen almost two full episodes of this show 10 years ago.

So I think I know what I'm talking about. I watched every fucking episode of this shit. These girls went from like dumpy, like the ugliest mom in your neighborhood to like debutante-looking queens over the course of this show. And it was always really impressive. And they got all this shit paid for. And the way I remember it, they give you a cash value for what they did to these ladies. Sometimes it was like $75,000 to turn you from a naughty to a hottie. And it's like, eh.

That's a good investment. That's better. Pay it off like student loans. This is paying dividends, ladies. Dude, find a better's a good investment. That's better. I mean, pay it off like student loans. This is paying dividends. Oh, dude, find a better husband. Upgrade your man. Exactly. These women go from, this might not be politically clear, so brace yourselves,

but they go from women capable of pulling like a 30 grand a year guy to a six-digit man. I got the vibe, or maybe it's just the the small sample size i had but it seemed more like a i'm the guy or i'm the lady that got picked by this guy who then got successful and now i gotta ratchet this up you know make sure that i'm staying because now you know when i met him he was making 40 grand a year now he's making 2 290 or something and it's like she's got to ratchet her own value up and That's the service the Swan provides as a show.

They could have the show now. I feel like this would be a great Where Are They Now style thing where you hear how it's $75,000 lasted them three months and a couple cartons of cupcakes or something. They didn't get cash. I understand. That's the amount of money

that the show invested in them, essentially. I think he's suggesting that three months later it was all wasted and they went back to cupcakes and whatever. They bit their fingernails with their veneers. Their faces just were not geometrically

attractive. And so they were like, alright, we're going to take eight ounces of fat out of your face and a couple of millimeters of bone. Or we're going to shave off. I'm going to stick an implant in your chin and we're going to plump up this and suck out that. And by the end, they all look pretty damn good. I remember watching as a kid being like, nice. Like this is the future right here. Everybody will be like this.

You know who the real winner in that whole show are the surgeons because i do remember the surgeons got a lot of of air time on the show where they'd you know interview them almost as much as the lady would be like samantha how do you feel about your new eyes and she'd be like i just can't wait to go home to my husband and hear what he has oh that's so that's so great samantha and the surgeon how did you get how did you turn this this shrek beast into a presentable lady? That was all just advertising. Do you know how many rich bitches showed up the next morning after that aired at Dr.

Mugumbe's office? The Pakistani guy who's like the big I'm just making it up. Maybe he's not Pakistani. It sounds right. Ishtar. Yes, Ishtar. I don't know. I don't pass any judgment on the people involved in that show. It's just like a lottery ticket.

All those people signed up, and then one in a million gets the free surgery. The real loser... I was about to say the real loser is the husband, right? Because she's going to go upgrade. It's like when you get your PhD, right? When you get your doctor, your MD, whatever, that was just you go and get a better – that's what people do. That's just part of the culture.

Once you get your MD, you ditch your boyfriend or girlfriend or wife or husband and get a better one. So when they have this surgery done – Have I told you my wife is graduating with her PhD in a few months? Oh, well then maybe you could get in shape or something. You're going to be single soon. This is like the season finale of your relationship. I think that the husbands are perfectly happy with this

because they didn't give the wives a personality transplant. They just gave them some facial reconstruction surgery. Women don't need personalities. That's not even a thing. Women don't even have personalities, right? Especially young ones. Young women have no personality. Bill Burr's got this great routine on it, right? You find them, they're just blank slates. They have nothing

to offer, nothing to do. They just take on your hobbies. That's a Bill Burr thing. What do you like to do? I'm really into the Knicks and I like to go hiking. I follow the Mets too. know like i'm really into the knicks and uh i like to go hiking and uh and i and i yeah and i i follow the mets too like right that that's that's why women are better than girls well i was what i meant was that these women aren't going to be looking for a better looking man because they because they're still like the same ugly woman just in a prettier body but now that we're then now that we've peeled back another layer of onion with Woody here,

I want to, I want to see what, what, at what age do women get personality? Yeah. Like if you had to hammer it down, you know, 32,

32, somewhere around there, somewhere around 32. Yeah. Yeah. Would you say Woody that by the age of 32, they've spent enough time around a man to get a personality. Is that what you're saying?

Because I don't track with that. I find that quite misogynistic. Get out. I like to date younger girls and make lots of personalities. They have so many smart, interesting takes on things, you know? Like novel. It's not just because you're hot.

You're not just humoring them. It's like, wow, I'd never considered that aspect of the Bay of Pigs before. Like you really open my – those are the kind of conversations you have. So what age do men get personalities? Oh, from the start, they start honing their personalities in an effort to attract women. You know, like all goofing and misogynistic joking aside, I do think that there's some aspect of Guy

that has to be the show. When they date, it's usually not the woman being like, we need to go do this. We need to go dragging the guy out there and making events happen. They might request him so often, like, I want to do this thing. But they're not the movers and sh shakers it's up to the guy to like I don't know

it's really you can't you really can't stop my experience Wow person now I don't coast on on the personality thing at all that that doesn't make sense to me the whole men having to like do more like that's just evolution like the peacock out there like if if there was a male peacock with shit feathers all the female peacocks would be like i don't care like get out of here you're not going to procreate like they got to make a show they got to do something have you ever watched uh david attenborough you know talk about beavers or something of the like and what they do to impress their mates like that kind of shit like like theyales in the entire animal

kingdom make assholes out of themselves just trying to get female attention. We beat each other to death. Taylor, I find that misogynistic. Us making jokes to get women's attention is just as ridiculous as when we in reality, when we watch those birds with the crazy feather heads

and all they do is go like that and wave around and the woman's like, i guess no and like that i think that's what i'm saying and there's lots of ways that guys do their feather heads right you know it can be a sense of humor it could be income potential it can be i don't know this is the athletic accomplishments um but women have their half of the mating ritual as well it's not like they just sit there like a lump on the log and like and take their pick like they just sit there like a lump on the log and take their pick. They're also putting on a show. Yeah, the point is, though, that it's different shows.

We're two birds. It's not like peacocks where you've got the female sitting there like, put on a show for me, sir. Ha, not good enough. You've got two peacocks. You've got two big crowds of peacocks with fucking phones swiping left or right, and they're all dancing. That's what you've got now. I see that. Hold on, Woody. I'm they're all dancing. That's what you got now. I'm on your team here.

Look at the Tinder. This is like saying yeah, but women have to do their half of the whole thing too. That's true, but that's also that reeks of the argument of like, you know, I as a man contributed just as much to that baby. It's like, no you didn't. You did the thing that you think about all day and then who is it? no, you didn't. You did the thing that you think about

all day, and then who is it? Chris Rock that says that? You did the thing that you want to think about all day, and then the other person has to carry it and deal with the morning sickness. Sure, without you, it couldn't happen. But to pretend that you have the equal part of building a baby, it's not really true. I'm glad you brought up Tinto.

The point is, I don't have to get guilty. Let's get filthy. So, I mean, this is... Straw man! I'm glad you brought up Tinder. You're assuming that the point of the money is procreation, though. That's not fair. So, I mean, this is you guys are arguing. Straw man. This is evil psych you're talking about right here, right? This is evolutionary psychology that we're talking about right here, what you're talking about.

So what I just heard Taylor say was investment theory. This is Trivers stuff, right? This is talking about the cost for a female to have a child is a lot higher from a biology and just evolutionary perspective than it is for the male. This is in part, you know, there's a bunch of, the reproductive cost essentially associated with this. This is in terms of like the image from childbirth, just health issues that go along with this.

It's just one of the things that, you know, the World Health Organization tracks for this type of thing. So you can see these stats out there to see that. So yeah, absolutely. From some perspective, that is one of the perspectives that is argued from this is that the women are gatekeepers of sex. And there's a reason for this because evolutionarily, it's more expensive for women to have partaken in sex than it is for men to.

But then there's a whole other side of this. And this hasn't been addressed at all here is the cultural side of it, right? So you see this stuff and you see this stuff and this is now and you can kind of go based on our culture now we say yes these things are probably because of this because of that but there's a whole counter school of thought in in this domain arguing this is all culturally pushed on us from this so this has nothing to do with biology at all curious i don't know the answer to this is there any culture or any maybe historical culture on earth where the woman has been the main pursuer i don't know there are some there are some matriarchal societies right aren't they pretty pretty few and far between but i believe they're not very successful they all failed calamitously

yeah like small tribal kind of societies if i remember from like anthropology kind of courses i don't know but the point is i don't think there's an answer to that like when you're when you guys are like arguing the sides it's fun to arguing the sides, it's fun to hear the sides, and it's fun to hear the sides with the shit that you guys are throwing on top of it. But I don't know that there's an actual answer to that. Well, you're in luck because I do know. No, no, yeah, yeah. I don't know.

Look, I'm a professional podcaster, and that really qualifies me to talk on this. It is the guy who's doing the bulk of it. You look at Tinder. Who does all the like like them like them like them like them and then who gets to be selective and reject 90 right it's women who get to sit right so of course on the other side it's the guy doing the feather dance it's just the the main you're looking at there though right like pick like ballroom dancing or something we're probably like 90 of 90% of the participants are female.

The guys, the people who are fending off the advances in terms of who are they dancing with tonight are going to be the person who's more personable. Really? Ballroom dancing is your counter? That's your like – I brought up Tinder, right? Tinder is like a really simple size. If there's an – I mean the ballroom dancing thing doesn't fly with me because the assumption there is that it's 10% male and 90% female. Although, am I the only one who just heard that who is now considering taking up ballroom dancing thing doesn't fly with me because the assumption there is that it's 10% of men and 90% of women. Am I the only one who just heard that who is now considering taking up ballroom dancing?

Look at ballet, for example. Ballet has many more women than men. It's the men who get to fight off the girls. I don't see why people think it's at all... It seems like there's a lot of people who... It is definitely a more multifaceted thing to what Filthy's saying obviously but it seems like a lot of people have a gut reaction when you say their differences in like sexual selection and proclivity between men and women that people like have a gut reaction of like oh no we don't want to we don't want to establish that like we who knows it's all up in the ether when really it's like there's no we're not saying it's bad there's nothing wrong with it it's not saying that like the woman is you know like being like uh not being nice enough to all her

orbiter kind of nice guys you know like it's just kind of an observation of reality well i'm either i'm a not putting a morality judgment on that one way or the other and b i'm not actually saying that isn't the case but i when you ask for why it is the case that's where the argument kind of changes that's what the evo stuff that that you know at least I mean, that was part of the field that I was very interested in. And that's a lot of the stuff that I've read and worked with is that that's still out there. That's still up in the air as to why that is the case. So we can point to like, yeah, and that's a little bit more interesting because for me anyways, that's a little bit more interesting is why is this the case? And then, you know, you can make some of these

health arguments, you can make these from a biology perspective and that that has some weight to it but then some of the stuff you can't necessarily move away from with the culture and that that is all this almost all the stuff that we've been talking about up to now is cultural right like we grew up in a culture where men chase women you know what he's talking about honing your personality from day one of being a man, essentially growing up, trying to attract women. This is cultural.

That's a strong point, that guy. Okay. I'm sure you have, you've obviously got a lot of experience in the psychology field. Are there any hunch, kind of gut feeling of like like i bet this is correct but there's not enough evidence behind it yet like kind of theory is just personally you it doesn't have to relate to this kind of thing we got warned off those in graduate school that everyone's going

to have pet theories and you're going to feel like it's right but wait for the data so i mean like yeah but like what are those pet theories like what are the pet theories that you like are waiting for the data for i'm just interested um okay so i worked with some sadomasochism uh as part of the research stuff i did and i have a pet theory about uh tops and sadomasochism that part of this is a the the altered states that tops and bottoms are entering into as part of the driving force for that uh i think that some of that is related to uh the the biology of the altered states things like flow, things like, I'm trying to think of another one right off the top of my head, blanking on it. But basically, part of the appeal of some of these

activities being the altered states that they put you into through essentially the body modification stuff that's going on. That's one of the things that is a pet theory of mine that when I was in graduate school and I was getting my master's, I was working towards data collection for. It was a really interesting one for me. So that like I'm sorry like can you dumb it down a little bit with like what you're like what you think it means for the top I guess the person doing the fucking well just that part of the appeal for take like take like flogging or like whipping or something right something you look at and you go what the fuck are they people like the first time you encountered that first time you saw it like why are these people doing

this and like what the hell why is the person putting up with it, being on the receiving end of that or something like that, right? You know, you ask the motivational question, and it's really easy to go pathology, right? It's easy to go, that's because something's fucked up with that person. All right, so, but you take a step back and you look at kind of the physical changes. You do, like, hormonal stuff where you take saliva samples and look at, like, stress hormones in the body. You take this type of measurement, like stress hormones in the body or you take this type of measurement i take the physiological data right and you're looking at this and you look at what happens in the body as these things are occurring and there's there's

states of essentially natural highs that people are going into some of these and some of these are you know you guys are probably familiar with flow if you've done any like real sport activities or you know you sit down a bunch of time disappears like you've been really focused probably get in gaming a lot like that's that's a flow state, right? Like, it's a pleasant psychological state. So part of this, then there's alternative stuff for that. So when I'm looking at a top or a bottom in this situation, this is part of the theory for me, at least, is this isn't all pathology. There could be pathology related to some of this, but that there's other reasonable motivations that people have for behaving in activity like this.

That's the type of pet theory. reasonable motivations that people have for behaving in activity like this. And do you think it's their own specific chemistry that's determining whether they're going to benefit perhaps from a top position or a bottom position in a sadomasochistic relationship? Yeah, possibly. It could be that. It could be individual differences. It could also be just the kind of, I mean, I guess I don't know. I don't know the answer to that. It's fascinating. Yeah, that's really cool. See, now what you want to do is go to a dungeon and hook everybody up to wires. Well, we've done that. I was a part of that study with that. Oh, that's really cool. You guys know what switches are?

No. Yes. Okay, so a switch is someone, yeah, okay. Kyle, you want to explain? Yeah, someone who sometimes you want to be the one delivering the punishment and sometimes you want to give that position of power up and become the one who receives the punishment. Yeah, there's people who play both roles of that. And so we actually did an experimental study where we went into a dungeon with the permission

of the people who A, ran the dungeon, and B, who were part of that, they volunteered for the study. And it was a switch-only study, and we randomly assigned them to top or bottom for the night so that we could use random assignments and make the results of the data more convincing. Really cool. Did you just stand around and watch? No, not stand around.

Well, he masturbated too. I mean, like... You just stand there, duh. I'm picturing you in your lab coat. He couldn't report it for privacy's sake, right? So he couldn't report it for privacy's sake. So there was a lot of time in there with note boards and clipboards. You know, there's a team of us there.

So it would be, you know, there was like, I think there were nine or ten couples in this study. So it would be, you know, you'd be assigned to this couple and you'd be time stamping everything that happened. Like what were they doing? When was it? Because then we have time stamped saliva reading. So we can take a look at how the the stress in the body changes among other hormones changes across that time and we have the activities that were associated with that you know there's a time delay between that you can go back and say okay during this portion of it this was the body

stress and you can see the the uh the stress patterns of the body across that it's really cool actually yeah that is that's yeah i like that when you walked in the first time to the whole nine dungeon room like was it Did you walk in and be like oh wow this is not an A-Team I was imagining like this is the kind of like was there anything like that where you guys you had your note your clipboard and You were taking the saliva readings. You were just like ouch get get take care of yourself Jesus like that That kind of thought at all. Glad I wore gloves. I'm glad I wore gloves. Glad I wore gloves. He had a big smock.

Is that a cyst? Man, it's other people's sexuality. Other people's sexuality is often something that you have that you have those strong disgust responses to. Oh, he's not saying the sexuality. He's saying were there ugly people in there fucking or did you have a nice attractive group that you were... I understand it's a professional environment. I get that. I understand like separating the two and like not being over there with a boner perhaps watching this go down more like being over there with a clipboard and taking diligent notes. I get that and I could do that. But what I'm wondering is like was there a part of you that was like, God, this could have been three, four. If I had to say one or the other, I'd say the opposite. Occasionally you go, holy shit, that person's hot and that would be really fun to be engaged with them. Awesome. Maybe that route. That's actually pretty that

sounds way cooler were they getting paid uh the participants no they volunteered cool that's part of the sadism right don't even pay me i'm coming for free yeah you're coming for free for this unless they're into financial domination the masochist takes both parts I want to know, how do you get in the game of being someone who just texts rich guys like, hey, eat shit and send me 10 grand? How do I enter that market? What scheme do I need to be a part of? The sadist would take both parts.

No, no, no. We had it backwards. We had sadism and masochism switched in there. The sadist is the one who likes to do the harm. Sadism wants to hurt, and masochism switched in there the the sadist is the one who likes to do yeah sadism wants to hurt and masochism you want to be hurt yeah yeah yeah i think we flipped it for a second but i'm so glad we got that resolved yeah thank god stop everything i ever want to do here is spread misinformation so uh filthy brought up something that burned into my head.

So, I don't have a master's in psychology, but I took one course in undergrad. And he talked about, like, that pet peeve thing. He's like, you know, a lot of times in psychology, things that you think are obvious need to be tested. You know, if I had told you that when two couples pull apart, they tend to grow distant and fall out of love, you would say, yeah, well, duh, obviously. You know, like, out distant and fall out of love. You would say, yeah, well, duh, obviously, you know, like out of sight, out of mind. And if I had told you that two couples pulled apart, tend to like grow longer, like fond of each other and, and, and, you know, they, they forget about all the bad parts. You'd say, yeah, well, obviously absence makes the heart grow fonder. Psychology by cliche. You need to test it. It happened like a week or two ago on this show.

I was like, the easiest way to get steps on my watch is actually walking. And everyone was like, yeah, duh. But if I told you the easiest way to get steps was to shake my hand, you'd probably say, yeah, duh. But it actually doesn't work very well. So it needs testing. A million things in life, like those pet theories, you need to wait for the data. That's all. Although they are hilarious to hear postulated. Like hearing some of the stuff that comes out is just like i'm thinking particularly on here i know you guys are in part a comedy you know thing that you're doing a lot of this but humor i mean sometimes i am a little tiny bit from time to time you know not not the jaw comments i believe that that's probably true

there is some truth to that maybe not the women we looked at tonight maybe stretched it taylor taylor was going on about like the loss of peripheral vision and then you're talking like the punches to the jaw and i'm like holy shit that's a double whammy for lost her like iron jaw and now can't see anything like she ruined her fighting career she's done i wanted to look at sammy sosa because we were talking about the South Korean women genetically appropriating us. Sammy Sosa is doing the same fucking thing, guys. So he's from the Dominican Republic where dark skin tone is looked down upon. I think something similar is true in Indian culture that represents the lower caste. He has been bleaching his entire body over the course of the last five years.

And he is a color that doesn't exist in the wild now it's funny honestly he's got a real frankenberry vibe to him i'm gonna i'm gonna link you to this it's like a pink panther yeah there it is that picture right there look strawberry it looks shop to me i feel like maybe they're making fun of him a little bit. Because in the top right, that's a human color. That was years ago. And it's not a human color for him because he's a black man. You know what's funny? It's not a

single person did what they did with the Caitlyn Jenner thing and said like, oh, he looks beautiful. His revisions to himself. You know, everybody should look like the Boo Berry guy like you know think of how happy you know how you know that feeling you get when you see count chocula in the aisle he's trying to provide that the children all year round you know what can't we all help like nobody was on

that side everybody was like what the fuck is sammy sosa doing we've had we've had one round of that right this was like the wasn't that like a michael jackson thing as well it well? I don't know if that was deliberate or if I heard Z's at one point. I don't really know. Well, but I think it was a combination of a few things. Like, you keep getting mixed results. And with Michael Jackson, who fucking knows? Because he was such a kook. What's it called?

It's like vitiligo. I read that he had a disease and that he used the bleaching to sort of even out the disease. Like, get it over with, you know, sort of thing. There's ac fighter who had that disease i think i've showed him before it might be called vitiligo does anyone know vitiligo right vitiligo is that how you say it probably is i think i learned it by reading it and i'm particularly retarded that way if you look up uh yeah you can look up black people with vitiligo and i saw that it doesn't look like uh michael jackson though because it comes up like

spotty patches like like like patches i saw one the other day and it was a it was a black man who was like half white at this point and beneath it said what happens when you don't break the law for six months dude so i'm i'm gonna give you guys the the quality meeting i didn't get it the google thing but check this guy out. So I didn't realize I was sharing my screen the whole time I searched for that, but I got away with it. This guy started with vitiligo, I guess I'll say. But it turns out that one of the things that causes it to advance is, like,

rubbing or hitting. So, like, normal people, maybe their elbows switch first or, like, I don't know, like things that get hit a lot. Yeah, their butt. What'd you say? Their shinbone. Okay, a shinbone maybe. But this guy's a UFC fighter, so he's a grappler and his whole body

like, routinely gets sort of rubbed and beat up in a way that normal people don't. And he turns straight on a white guy. Would you rather be crazy hairy like a bear on your body or have this condition? I don't know. What else goes with this condition? Is it painful? Is it

irritating? Or is it just visual? I'm pretty sure it's like freckles. They're not really part of your life outside of visual. Yeah. I don't think anybody's into that look. I'm just being completely frank well apparently you just you do wrestling for a little bit and uh it's it's over it's past like

what is the time frame on these pictures because it's gonna happen it's within a few more fights if you ask me let's get that evened out which one are you looking at i'm looking at one it feels like he's totally like the third one he is he is a straight up white guy now, I think. I don't know what you... I don't even know what white is at all. Are Mexican people white? Are Jewish people white? No. I think white's gotten more

selective than it used to be. So white and black aren't anything. They're just colors. They don't represent anything at all. There are Caucasians, though. But there's lots of different kinds of black people. We got Sammy Sosa here He's not from Africa. Maybe some of his ancestry is is African, but the Dominican but he's also got that Dominican Islander Ancestry mixed in as well and then the the people we think of as Mexicans They're descendants of like the people that were in South before, that Cortez came over and raped them.

The Spanish banged the Mayans and turned them into Mexicans. The DR has no race. When we went there, this is why I'm saying that. I went to the DR a couple times. We went on these surfing trips. And we had tour guides to help take us to the surfing spots. And they'd know the wind and you need them. Anyway, they're like, welcome to the Dominican Republic.

Here's a couple things about us. Our chief export is this. Our country is that big. This many people live here. And one of the things they mentioned is there is no race here. That's a lie. Well, he's like,

there are natives of everybody and everything. And you might be right. Maybe there is a stacking. It's the color there. So you're right You're absolutely right about that because there was slavery back there in the day There was slave trade on that island moving around the act the slave trade would go there and then bounce around and diversify from places So you've got just a big Mix of races there

But but one thing you can't deny is the color and i think that's how they break themselves down into into different categories and different groups that may or may not have more power or value or social standing and that's why sammy sosa looks like a boo berry or whatever you said that was great did you come up with that no everything or did you read it and you know i i came up with it but it's because he looks like the frankenberry guy isn't his name or no boo berry is fuck. That's the ghost. So it wasn't even good. Well, it worked for me because I instantly went for Frankenberry anyway.

So Kyle, were you leading to- Were you going- It seemed like you were going in the direction you were going to say you'd rather be vitiligo stricken than be very, very hairy. Is that what you're saying? I don't know. You and I have talked about this before. How like, I don't have very much body hair and i'm really happy with that like i don't have

any back hair whatsoever like just like the like like the top of my where my jeans stop in the back there's like a little hair there but like nowhere above that and like i just got a little strip on my chest and a little like strip on my belly button area and like that's it and you on the other hand have a much more old world i was going with ape like my ancestors must have been very cold that's why he likes monkeys so much because he's only a couple generations removed right his great-grandfather didn't stand upright that's that he. It's a sexual thing. That's why my knuckles are flat. Yeah, so I may sway toward the vitiligo, if that's how you pronounce it,

because eventually that's over and you're all one skin tone. What if it's a five-year transition? It takes from the day it starts to the end of the five years. Five-year transition. It takes from the day it starts to the end of the five years. I guess I take up jujitsu, you know, and speed that up to two and a half years or something. Just get daily massages, right? That probably works.

Ooh, yeah. Get some bitches to rub me down. Like, yeah, even me out. That's so much of a better solution. Insurance will probably pay for it. Like, imagine that. Your insurance covers your, like, daily vitiligo massage to even you out. I wonder if the lube would stop it from working. I don't know how.

Is it the friction that's making that happen, or is it the impact? I guess they're breaking up the melanin in there. Yeah, that's science. Yeah, that's what's happening. Sounds good, right? I'm not going to Google it, but it sounds realistic. Thank you. It's not worth the entire search.

Sort of made that up i can't believe you would pick that instead of just shaving like you could just shave the hair you didn't want i'm kind of with kyle on that one for similar reasons like i mean i'm lazy about shaving my fucking face the idea of body shaving like and let's like like heavy like off your like chest each day like you do it morning and like morning and night you get like a five o'clock chest shadow like that's it. That's it. That's important to note like it's shaving like Really took care of the problem. It'd be great But it doesn't shaving just very temporarily gives you a smooth back by later that day You're stubbly now and I think stubbly is worse than hairy like from my perspective

It's so itchy and and you get ingrown hairs unless you're a genius at shaving somehow um it's no good I would have to get whoever you're trying to impress that's touching you is going to be like this is stubbly this is this is work that's I think that's worse than hairy I would have to get that thing where is it called electrolysis whatever the thing is where they they prick yeah that's where they like shock your follicle and when they grab it they like send the electrode in they fry the root and then boink pluck it out and they do that with every hair on your fucking body jesus is that permanent or is that just like a five-year thing or something that's supposed to be permanent as far as i know there was that there was a movie where there was

this um i can't remember who played it ah it's that chick with the jacked up teeth, but she played like a wolf woman and throughout the process of the movie, she was slowly getting all of her hair electrolysis out. She was becoming hotter. Patricia Arquette. And she was becoming hotter and hotter as she went. I can't remember the name of that movie. But yeah, I would opt for the vitiligo, I think.

Because that'll be over eventually. But the hair thing, that's for life. Do you think that electric thing is more permanent than waxing i thought it came back on that too look i i've never done it i don't know but i guarantee it's more effective than waxing by like a factor of a thousand or something like that i think it keeps that much more expensive too they have to do each individual hair follicle yeah like that's gonna take fucking forever it's a whole thing i thought it'll come back if you wax though and electroly And electrolysis, it will never, ever come back. Yeah, I thought electrolysis was, like, permanent, permanent.

And waxing, I know for sure, is, like, three-month permanent or something. Like, it's not long at all. Now, Kyle, if you started, because this is on the topic of your vanity. If you started going bald, and it was a quick procession, would you kind of play it out, see how it went, see how you would look bald like you know the hitman video or? Would you start looking for hair plugs or transplants whatever they call it now hmm? I don't know I guess it depends how it went is we're knowing you would you just kill yourself you know yeah? Like it depends how you how it goes because I don't think that that that like i think it is

more there's an adult hairline that i'm fine with like a little thinning up here like i'm all good with that putting it back a little here get that silver fox uh uh look going on all good with that i just don't want to lose it back here i feel like when you lose it back here that's a thing um but but but up front it's no big deal i feel like you look you look more mature and you look like you're like like you might be able to... You don't get... Sometimes you get more respect I think. You look older, you get treated a little bit older. But you don't want to lose it in the back. I think that's where you don't want to lose it. My uncle lost it in the back and he wore a hat for 30 years.

He took that shit off and we were like, whoa! What the fuck? Did you get cancer? And he's like, no, I've just been living a lie. And we knew. We just been living a lie. Remember when you got drunk and jumped in the pool last summer? What's the worst balding pattern? The back. See, I think

I might vote against that. I think the unicorn patch is amongst the worst. Of course, you know Malpart and Baldus were where, like, the top of it gets that U. But on its way there, oftentimes, there's a patch left in the front. And there's not a lot you can do with that. That's definitely a bad look, too. But, I mean, I think that unicorn thing, if that's what it's called, is all rolled in to this patch.

Because once this patch is gone, it allows this area to look like the unseemly island that it has become. So you need that to stand. This is all invoking. This is like, why do we like shiny women's hair? It's a sign of, it's an indicator, a stand-in for health. But doesn't baldness mean high testosterone? Isn't that a thing? No, it might mean related

but men and women again right differently so when you're like Kyle's talking about I was listening to Kyle he's like oh the silver fox thing yeah women tend to find like biologically right this is again this is pure evil and this is the side that isn't talking about the isn't arguing from the society perspective

but it's the part adding that talking about like what they hypothesize that the evolutionary stuff is why it's there and one of the one of the lines of thought on that is that you know when you're looking for what men look for in a partner versus what women look for a partner especially in a long-term partner because the long-term versus short-term mating strategies are different but one of the things that women use for long-term mating strategies is the essentially resources that a male brings to the table. And one of the things is just in general, older males, more resources. So like it's less detrimental for someone to have, from the woman's perspective, for a man to be older

than it is from the man's perspective for the woman to be older, because the woman being older means less chance of, you know, good children, this type of thing. So I like that you preface it with the Evo thing, because I've never heard that um description before and i've always been a little frustrated that sometimes the evo stuff just fits whatever they see you know like oh yeah this is absolute proof that this thing has a spot on here because predators think it's an eye and it's going the other way and then they dart forward and they never knew that was coming and i I'm like, oh, how convenient that, like, you know, you just reverse engineer any solution to fit what you're looking at. That butterfly was just making random patterns.

But Woody makes a really, really good point. And this is when, again, the people who argue from the social constructive stuff, which is, you know, the stuff that this is our society and this is how we're taught and it gets passed down that way. This is what they argue, that one of the big problems with evolutionary psychology is that you can't go back and test this these are essentially you know post post fact you know post-hockey coming by and saying well here's the outcome we're gonna we're gonna invent a solution that fits that outcome and you can't go back and you know test that from a from an experimental perspective that this is actually

what's happening yeah so yeah i mean this thing is venomous. These colors mean this clever thing is mimicking a venomous thing. And it's like, oh, well fuck, then these colors don't mean shit. Some of them just look that way. Woody, they have big eyes on their wings because Butterfly Society says large eyes are beautiful.

But they have shitty little tiny thousand eyes on an orb and everybody thinks that's gross And so they evolved to be more like humans all animals want to be I was making the society argument that this is that socially they love human eyes on the way I'm not making any argument. These are social butterflies They love human eyes on the way. I'm not making any argument.

It's fucking ridiculous. These are social butterflies. Literal social butterflies. That would be funny. Start like ascribing like more social hierarchy within like the low level animals than is necessary and try and backwards engineer it. It looks like, by the way, electrolysis seems to be permanent. I thought that like those hairs would never come back, but that new ones would pop up next to it, like waxing.

But I think I was wrong. So you thought they just went through the meticulous electrocution for the pain of it? Yeah, all at once? No, one at a time and shock me too. So I'm wrong, but I thought it was a less painful version of waxing. That's what I always thought electrolysis was. Oh yeah, it's just a little tingle. That hair is gone.

And one by one, it's just like itchy. And I'm like, oh, that beats waxing, which is like horrific. But... Have you ever been waxed? Yeah. What did you get waxed? I have a birthmark on my shoulder that sometimes grows hair. So I let it get to be like, I don't know, an eighth of an inch long or something and we waxed it but it really didn't hurt

that much it's a deltoid I don't think it's it's sensitive is like a chest or you know I've got a strip ripped out of my legs before I think women are a bunch of pussies it's like a band-aid it's fucking over in a minute and it's like cool when you see it afterwards and like okay you get a little drunk and do this like what's your problem? Get a little drunk and wax your whole body? No, get sober. Like, it's not the sort of thing you'd be like, oh, it's noon on a Tuesday.

The anal strategy. Like, absolutely. That's for sure. Like, I've never went through a full leg waxing. I just got that big strip ripped out once. But, like, I guarantee, like, ladies who are listening to this, like, yeah, I have a few before I start that endeavor yeah but it's interesting because this kind of started with the south korean stuff and you're talking about plastic surgery of some part and this is

essentially purely cosmetic surgery and then it kind of transitioned into what would you be willing to do and then the reasons for you know what would you want to do personally you know would you do this with your hair would you do this with you know and it's really interesting to kind of hear the the personal reasons that you guys are given and i mean i am too i assume to some degree responding to these but to hear why we do that and what the values that that means that we're kind of reflecting on when we talk about that so it's kind of i've been actually really interested to hear this like to hear like the very i mean because what how old are you guys like 31 yeah right so like middle age like kind, kind of on the, getting towards middle-aged males, right?

Like talking about... Adult males. Advanced adulthood. I think that a lot of it comes like, if I went totally bald, and I would have to give the, like it would just come down to girls. They're like,

hey, why are you getting your hair put back? Be like, oh, just women. Like I think more women would prefer that I have hair than i don't and if i come across some hitman loving bitch i can just shave like problem solved like yeah it's fine i feel like that's a lot of the reason for why men do most things physically like that's why men dress well if if tomorrow we woke up and it was like one of those horrible hulu original series where they're like, oh my God, all the women have vaporized. Like they're gone. Immediately it would just be sweatpants and underwear and all over the place.

We can prove that. All the straight men will be walking around looking like the high sparrow and there would just be this huge community of like really – Of new gays. The gays would have their own spot because they'd be the only ones with someone who actually loved them. They'd be the only couples. They would be the superior group of people. And they'd be over there living in some fancy part of town. Everybody's dressed nicely and all the straight people.

Just like I said, high sparrow walking around in shit. I'm already one step away from the high sparrow. I've been married so long. The economy would crash. The economy would be done. Because every man on earth who was making a fuck ton of money would be like, Hey, now that my wife isn't here, I realize that I really only need one fork, one spoon, one knife, one plate. And this place is too big.

I don't want to clean it. You know what? Fuck it. I'm not going to work. I got enough. That would happen. Free time. That's the first thing guys would buy.

Time. I had a friend in college who went to uh all boys catholic school like growing up in chicago area and that's what he said that basically like all through like high school it was like farts in class all sweatpants like you know just like ridiculous like kind of you know people letting themselves go because there's just no reason not to my wife went to an all-girls school. Shaving legs was optional. There were no guys there. It wasn't a problem.

But then when that Catholic girls school and the Catholic boys school have one of their semi-annual dances or whatever, everybody shows up looking pristine. It doesn't even look like the same students. You know what's huge in all-girls and all-girls schools? Pretending to have boyfriends.

Yeah, they had their eye surgeries. Every girl pretended to have a boyfriend. Like, they were never single. It was always like, oh yeah, this is my boyfriend. He's three towns over, and here's his picture in my locker. And, like, they just were always in a state of having, like, either a real boyfriend or a pretend one, but never a gap. The old pretend boyfriend from another town. The guys would play the same game, too,

but they'd do it differently, where they'd be like, oh, you're sitting around the table, you're in eighth grade or whatever, like, Tony got laid? It's like, yeah. Who with? Which chick put out? We're fucking 14. She goes to another school.

It's like, oh, I fucking bet. Did you drive over there in your car, or did your mom pick her her up and you fuck in the back of your Honda Odyssey, you liar? Like, no, this didn't happen. I know a girl in my universe. I don't want to out her or anything. But she started having sex when she was 13. And it recently became like a thing on social media where she's arguing with someone else and like posting these arguments to her friend group to get support and stuff. And I'm like, oh, my God, you're having sex at 13. Like, I totally should have cozied up to this girl.

She was like she. This was last week. No, no, no. This past Wednesday. She was in the same grade. She went to high school with me. But but it was like, wow, I can't believe she was having sex at 13. I think about all the guys she dated.

She must have had a dozen sexual partners by the time she finished high school. And I was none of them. And I just, like, she wouldn't have had sex with me anyway. Woody, a girl like that, she could have been the one. She was probably well-adjusted, good relationship with her dad, you know. If only she had known. If only she had known you were down. She could have saved that money on condoms, too.

Like, she'd have been all up for it. Right, right, because I was infertile until, like, 15. That's Woody's opening line. That was my move. Like, bitch, I haven't hit puberty yet. There's no risk. hit puberty yet we could there's no risk but uh but yeah there i had no real i had no idea and she was really pretty she's she's really pretty but you don't think those are related because those sound pretty related to me that she was pretty and she was having sex yeah do

you know anything about her partner history where they're mostly a couple like a couple guys like a little bit older yeah yeah yeah do you guys expand on your theory here yeah there's no particular theory here i mean it's just along the lines of it doesn't surprise me right like we we mature at different different speeds men and women and men aren't particularly quick mature so does that does it make a lot of sense yeah there's gonna be women who are attractive they're younger come to their sexuality younger and they're gonna probably be acting on that i mean it sounds like and for the large part, you've got to think, again, the gatekeeper stuff, right?

I don't know any boys in high school who don't want to get laid. I don't remember ever growing up and talking to my friends. They're like, no, I want to hold off for sex. Maybe the rare religious reason or something, but for the vast majority, everyone wants to if they can. I choose to be celibate. I want to get more in touch with myself. Those religious

arguments, like 95% of those were just nonsense. It was just a way of saying like, I haven't had the opportunity presented to me and so I'm taking the high road. It's like, no you're not. It's like saying, I've never fucked a celebrity. It's like, well it's never been an op- I didn't like

like, you know, 10 years ago, Lindsay Lohan didn't come over and be like, yeah, fucking take i've got coke and i was like oh not not me ma'am i'm calling the authorities we're getting you to somewhere you need to be oh man that would have been an easy decision right oh it would have been so easy like you so you got the the thought of mean girls in your head which is a good movie oh fuck yeah yeah and we'd watch mean girls while we did it and we just we do the coke off the case of Mean Girls. We'd pull up a reel on that copy of Mean Girls and let's get after it. Be quiet.

This is my favorite scene I was in. Watch. You're not watching. Lindsay. Why did I let you in? Lindsay Lohan's so fucking hot. I'm so sorry that she went down. All of those pictures of Lindsay Lohan are super hot.

She was so hot in Mean Girls and even in Kirby, I guess, if you watched that travesty of a movie. And then there's all those Playboy nudes where she's dressed up like Marilyn Monroe and then she did the movie where she's topless. I still think she's pretty hot. She just had a rough time of it for ten years or so.

Yeah. She is a low-T woman. Right? She's soft everywhere. She's naturally, she's like genetically hot. I'll give you that. But like there's a subreddit called Fit Girls or something. And I think every one of them is hotter than Lindsay Lohan. But why is this is a low-T woman like an insult?

Like I don't get it. Like when you say this woman has low testosterone, I think, oh, then she probably exhibits a lot of very attractive feminine qualities that like a low sex drive i i swear like i i i saw it jimmy kimmel did a thing that's about yeah yeah i i see him and i whatever i i think that lindsey lohan while obviously gorgeous and one of the many versions of a perfect body uh it's like i've talked about this before like kim kardashian right there are a lot of guys who say that is female perfection lindsey lohan guys will say that is female perfection but i look at like i keep coming back to her emma watson like that to me is is closer to female perfection than uh that person what does this look like well she's

a very emma watson's a very feminine gal she's a very tiny chick who couldn't carry any fucking wilderness supplies she'd break down right away that bitch like it's her face fire well she's she's thin and she looks like a little boy yeah you're i see it i see it yeah if push really if push really truly came to shove and you were in a an ap scenario, there's foes, vampires, zombies, and the like, and you're with Emma Watson. Like, realistically, how many days, if not hours, do you think you can take care of that bitch before you're like, this isn't even worth it?

Like, oh my God. If it gets that bad, we're looking for Brianne from Game of Thrones, right? That's the girl you want in a zombie apocalypse. Who's her? Brianne from Game of Thrones. right? That's the girl you want in a zombie apocalypse. Who's her? Brienne from Game of Thrones. She's the blonde one. She's pretty hot. Have you seen her naked? I have not. I don't know. Yeah, I have. You know who you wouldn't want is

Daenerys. You would not want Daenerys standing there yelling and demanding you to, you know, bring me chips! We don't have any food! I want my chips chips in a bikini i saw whoever plays sansa i forget her name off the top of my head but uh she was on reddit today in a bikini and it was a real revealing thing and it was just like oh like like i said there's she's somebody's human perfection like she's very fit. Anyway, yeah.

There's a lot of examples of what you might consider perfect, but she's one of them. I don't think Lindsay Lohan is perfect at all, but she's hot. You know who I think is perfect? Sammy Sosa with his new festive look. Frankenberry.

His new Frankenberry look. Oh, wait. Taylor found it. Are we looking at it? The Frankenberry thing in the side? Yeah, I just found it recently. Yeah, we found it a while ago. He's trying to capitalize on this by wearing that pink hat and the whitish pink shirt.

He knows what he's doing, you think? Yeah. I don't think he's doing, you think? Yeah. I don't think he's really left-handed. How much money did he walk out with? I think he's a little... Someone altered the hue on that. How much money did he get tired of? A fair amount?

How much money do you think Jamie Sosa did? He was making a lot. Might be just a little bit of a disconnect from reality. Like, you see someone dressed in the purple fucking... The pink top hat and the pig fucking suit. You just kind of wonder just a little bit. I don't know if he lives in the Dominican Republic or whatever, but I would imagine that he's, like, a god down there, right? Like, he's got to be their biggest hero ever.

Right. Like, back in the day when he was going up against Maguire. Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, they went back and forth, and, like, both of them were just cheating their balls off. Maguire was the best because they were both cheating. Go Cards. They both broke the record in half that year. Just wrecked it.

The record was like 63 or something. I remember they're both at 72 or something. I don't remember. I was like seven at the time. I think it was 72. That's crazy. Yeah, that was late 90s. Did they break it again like i i because that year

like you said it was like a national phenomenon everyone was paying it i don't even watch baseball but i was somehow it was like you know mcguire's playing today he might hit another dinger he might extend that record again was it babe bruce record that they're breaking it was an old one it was hank okay i thought yeah. Which is one of the reasons why people in my neck of the woods didn't care for all this, because Hank Aaron was a brave. We saw these cheaters knocking them out of the park and trouncing

all over the place. The McDonald's here were having problems, because that season they're like, hey, fucking Mark McGuire hits a home run, you get a dollar Big Mac. And every fucking home game, every McDonald's was out of Big Macs in the you get a dollar Big Mac. And every fucking home game, every McDonald's was like out of Big Macs in the whole metro St. Louis area.

And eventually I think they got rid of the promotion. And we're like, oh, if he hits a home run into Big Mac land, which is this very small box that hopefully he won't hit, then we'll do it. Because we're losing thousands of cows worth of meat. Are they? Or are they like, hey, get a Big Mac for a dollar. Hey, no Big Macs.

But while you're here, can I interest you in some McNuggets? Yeah. No, I'm sure they weren't losing on it. I mean, it can't be much more than a dollar's worth of food in there. Yeah, there's no way that you could lose that much. Because, I mean, yeah, you're exactly right. You're showing up there with your kids because you just came from a baseball game. And your kids don't want a Big Mac because they want special orders and everything.

They want the $7 kid's meal with half an ounce of what is assumed to be chicken. I like those. I always got the hamburger happy meal with extra pickles, extra mustard. Got my little toy. I was a happy camper. Extra pickles, extra mustard. If I had to name an order that sounded the worst to me for McDonald's, it would be

extra pickles, extra mustard. I get that hamburger happy meal, extra pickles, extra mustard. Seven-year-old me was in just wonderland. Like, let me get that fucking toy back here, pop, pop, or something, and eat my French fries. I love that shit. I remember getting those gold Pokemon cards.

Remember that? No. You guys might be a little too old. Filthy, how old are you again? I'm 33. Oh, well, then you're definitely never mind the audience knows those old pokemon cards and i remember as a kid because the promotion was like it was just like a thick metal card that was like you know pikachu on it and it was like an

engraved pikachu and as a kid getting i'm like i can't believe they're giving out gold to children like i was blown away like i put them away for a couple years thinking it'd be worth something until i grew up enough to know oh there's no way they made millionaires of every child in america you know on a lark i i told the story before but i can't resist retelling it because i'm woody anyway 1984 olympics i'm a little kid in walking distance to mcdonald's they're doing this thing uh where if the U.S. team, I'm going to make it up, but it's close. Like if the U.S. team gets a gold, you get a Big Mac. If they get a silver, maybe you get a drink. And if they get a bronze, you get like fries or something like that. So you'd go there, plop down like a dollar for a single. And it was all done in advance. So like

the package, like the fries, the little thing thing it came in you'd tear it off and see it it turns out that like the soviet union and poland and like a ton of countries boycotted those olympics so the united states was cleaning up in everything right things we don't win like i don't know what the u.s sucks at like maybe in wrestling or something you know we have one guy suddenly we're getting like gold, silver, and bronze. So you just begin to be like, I'll take all three, you know. We swept this event. Gymnastics, like it's usually like the Americans and the Russians or something at the top.

So you could go there, buy one thing, and then it would just keep cascading. Like, all right, I'll take a fry. The fry comes with fries. All right. Now those fries come with fries and a drink because we went gold silver. Now that drink and the thing comes with another thing. And it just kept going. It was an amazing time to be alive.

Never before has athletic greatness produced so many fat people. This was some counter strategy from the countries losing that year. They're like, we'll fix that in 10 years time. The next Olympics, we never won so few medals like 16 years later when that generation matured enough to compete i always found it i remember last time around when the chinese were cheating and that that whole scandal came out it seemed like everybody fucking cheats their asses off it was the chinese gymnastics uh the children they had those tiny little children who were way too young to compete and then they showed them like

training at age like four or something. And this little four-year-old's laying there screaming as they stretch her legs out. She's like, I'm not supposed to bend this way yet. And they're just stretching them out. So they're super limber at this crazy early age and producing these Olympic athletes. But they're competing at far too young of an age. And apparently that's an advantage in balance beam or something you know like when it's good to be a tiny person on that sometimes happens in swimming too where like

the best women in the world will be 13 14 years old and then you think like when they're 18 they're going to come back and really kick ass because they did so well at 14 they're prodigies nope you know some 15 year old comes and they can't hang with them anymore. Janet Evans. I think that was her name. She broke, she shattered a record at like really young, maybe 12 or 13. And then she was really good. So she kept swimming into her twenties, but she was never as good as she was when she was 12. And that like her personal record just became like a decade old that she couldn't match again. That's insane to not be able to match your 12 year old score. That's almost unbelievable.

I wonder what it is about swimming. I do rock climbing and the kids who rock climb are really good. They're good at it in part because they have a really high power to weight ratio. In other words, because they basically aren't adult physiques yet. So I wonder if there's anything like that in swimming.

Is the hydro dynamics better right is it i don't know boobs are dragging and hips are dragging whereas it's not it's not boy like but it's it's gotta be it's gotta be it's about how much strength how much horsepower she has versus her body weight and the shape that's important too like like in any kind of ballistics right she's going through the water there so like she's just got a better – That's what I was talking about with boobs and hips. Yeah, yeah. Well, I don't think it's boobs and hips as much as it is. She's just a larger being overall.

It doesn't matter if she's got an A cup and no hips at all. She's just bigger, wider, longer, heavier. She's an adult human versus a child. Think about it. It probably does matter to some degree her shape. Think about any of the airflow stuff. Yeah, parachute hanging out below her. You prefer she's shaped like an like a emperor seal or something right

yeah a bullet you know as as 12 year olds they look like bullets maybe a big ass would help then man get get the get the water like curling in behind her i don't know but uh but that's fascinating yeah that that she that would be really frustrating if it were if if if that were me and like my sport was the high jump or the long jump or whatever name it and it was like oh yeah 15 i broke the world record no other human being ever achieved what i achieved at 15 and then i spent the next six years working as hard as i could with the most with with experts from around the world a nutritionist and and the and the then the full supporter of the united states olympic committee and i can't even come close to what i did back then now i was just eating wheaties and trying hard but i can't get back to that i think it depends on the domain so i think for like the olympics maybe but like if

this was like money like if you just like you know you peaked at like 16 you made like some unboothed god-awful amount of money and and you're just living off that the rest of your life. Man, I've never worked that hard before or since, but I have a lot of money to show for it. I don't really give a shit at this point. You know what I mean? I'm not sure that the – The incentive isn't there. Oh, yeah.

It may not be just specific to the Olympics, but it's the physical aspect of it. And it's like everything that those Olympic athletes are about has to be wrapped up into how good they are what they do that you have to have that mindset and that personality to get to where they are you've got to be a super must be some serious investment in the outcome of that oscar de la joya said this as a compliment to mayweather actually he said you can't fight rich that was his line and what he meant by that is like when you're broke and you're hungry and you're trying to further your station in life, it's easy to get up and be super motivated to chase a chicken like Rocky

or whatever the fuck it is that they do. But when you're sleeping in silk sheets and you've done something, it's like, why exactly am I hurting this much? Some people keep going out of routine, but a lot of guys just don't have the same motivation. Or sometimes they win a fight or two without trying as hard. Michael Phelps. He said that, then he lost.

He didn't go on a downtrend after a while. And it's because if you look it up, I didn't know until I checked. I knew he had the most Olympic medals. But if you told me, oh, yeah, Vladislav Nishishkia has just won less, so he's got to be careful. Like, no, he's got more medals like the Yankees have more MLB championships. Like, it's not even close. The guy behind him would almost have to double it.

And so I can definitely see as an Olympian being like, this tradition that's been around for thousands of years, I didn't just win. Nobody's going to catch me. I blew everybody out. Like, it's going to be a whole other phenom to catch. Like, I totally get it. I didn't just win. Nobody's going to catch me. I blew everybody out. Like, it's going to be a whole other phenom to catch. Like, I totally get it. I wouldn't be as motivated.

I'd be like, what? If I get a silver this time, fuck it. Who cares? I have more gold than anybody else has medals. I wonder what it is about swimming that leads to so many medals. Like, obviously, a lot of sports don't even have an opportunity for that many medals. Like, shit, I don't't know if you're good at uh pole vaulting or something maybe that's not a good example shit give me another sport i think

no i think i think i know any other running stuff maybe wrestling distance right you can do swimming in so many different ways like you can give the freestyle i was gonna go that way with running that's that was the second because like if you're good at wrestling then you've got a shot at one medal that's it right unless you're gonna change weight, then you get a shot at one medal. That's it, right? Unless you're going to change weight classes or something. But more or less, you can do one thing. If you're good at a lot of Olympic sports, there's really only one opportunity to get that medal. In swimming, there's a bunch, like you were saying. But running's there.

If you're the greatest runner, how come you can't win hurdles? If you're the greatest runner, why aren't you winning long jump? And sometimes they do. How come you can't win hurdles? If you're the greatest runner, why aren't you winning long jump? And sometimes they do. How come you don't get the 50, the 100, the 200, and the 400 like swimmers do routinely? Michael Phelps was winning all kinds of events, 50 relays, 100 relays, 400 by himself. He's not the example though, right? Because he's just a freak. No, he is.

Just look at him. He's the best of it but before him was beyond a beyondy who did all those things and before him was mark spitz who was bringing home like six medals in olympics or eight medals in olympics now phelps was bringing i'm making these numbers but they're close phelps was bringing home like 12 he's next level but swimmers have always had a guy who would or a girl who would bring home like six to 10 medals or like something outrageous like that. But running,

they get three and they're dancing, you know, they did it. Uh, I don't know why the best hundred sprinter isn't the best hurdler, you know, like how come they don't make those transitions more often in running? I don't know.

Must be a more specialized, uh, technique. Like, like it it's like maybe it's like comparing uh you know mma to to boxing and there's just a lot more going on and hurtling like oh yeah he can run fast look at that too you could look at the relations like you know i'm thinking you know if you look at like distance running probably at some level distance running like if you do 100 mile versus a 90 mile versus an 80 versus a 75 or something you know they're probably all pretty and i don't know what the categories are but i might win all those ultra right and i wonder if those would be closer like groupings than for example hurtling which has some jumping and

sprinting versus long distance right there's got to be some some relationship between the metals one and the type of activity i mean i look i'm outside my depth here but i feel like the back stroke and freestyle and brush stroke are at least as different mechanically as hurdles and sprinting. I mean, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I don't do it on your back. Right. Like for some of these, you flip over and swim with looking at the swimming term. I'm sorry.

Just going to do it on your right. I'm talking about the backstroke, right? You literally do that upside down and backwards and you look at the sky while you do it hurtling and running seems way more similar than freestyle and backstroke does to me i get that you jump every once in a while but it's basically the same motion just a long stride you know you time a long stride to go over the hurdle and but yeah this i'm looking at the list of multiple Olympic medalists now, and the top 30 or so is overwhelmingly swimming and gymnastics. Is it the way they train?

Yeah, that's right. Gymnastics is another one. Why is the best, like, Volter also the best on the rings? I think that in training, swimmers all swim everything. They constantly make you do it. Otherwise, you wear out your joints. Whereas, I don't think sprinters are hitting the hurdles all the time. I think it's a more specific technique for whatever reason

because I don't understand it. But it clearly is a more specific technique because those guys, in gymnastics, I think that they have a category that's like a mixture of things though right where they like combine the aggregate scores from like a floor routine and then multiple things so it really lends itself to that so it lends itself to producing multiple uh medal winners and various things i would imagine gymnastics in general does that's what i'm saying swimming the way they train is different because they tend to hit all the things. Yeah.

It seems unlikely that it's the training though, Woody, because just to me, it seems that way. Because I'm thinking about what a business this is, right? The Olympics and the training that goes into it and the research that goes into professional sports as a whole and to probably the same degree, the Olympic stuff. It seems like if it was just like you need to train more muscles, that would have been hitting some training routines somewhere up to now right so i wonder if it's more inherent to the kind of similarities in this but i mean i might i might be totally wrong on this you might be absolutely right i don't know but it seems to me that there's a pretty strong argument suggesting that a lot of training types have been tried for a lot of

different things a lot of different types of that i mean you go for like a workout routine you go for like a you know on you're on a sports team, the types of routines you do for that, the types of cross training they have you do for like soccer, for example, like, you know, there's going to be lifting, there's going to be strength training as well as endurance training as blah, blah, blah, blah. Right. So it seems strange to me that you think that the Olympians for swimming are doing some sort of diverse cross training that gets them ready for everything, but the Olympians for running aren't.

It seems unlikely to me. Because there are swimming events that involve doing all four strokes, but there's no running event, maybe steeplechase, where they do a little hurdles, do a little sprinting, do a little long jumping. But wouldn't you still then see specialists, right? If it really was just a training thing, wouldn you see the the swimming like i don't know whatever event backstroke

specialist who wins only the backstroke and wins that above and beyond the guy i could name a couple burkoff was one he's that guy that invented the burkoff blast off the one who went underwater yeah they're definitely specialists melvin whatever his name was was the butterflyer who could beat everybody but you know know, couldn't win in freestyle. Yeah, you get these specialists. But every so often you get a guy who's just the best at everything like Phelps or Beyonding or whatever. But anyway. It must be way harder to get Olympic or to be on this list as a winter Olympian because there are not nearly as many of those.

There's some like cross-country skiing. I was going to say that one. And maybe shooting. Oli Einar Bjordalen, some Norwegian biathlon guy. But for the most part, this is all the same kind of... I bet it's the nature of the sport, right? Like no one who's good at curling is also good at ice hockey. Yeah, and like with cross-country skiing,

how many events can there be? Is it just like, all right, now do it over there? They don't have sprints unless the time goes on, right? Yeah, that's what you'd think. Yeah, the biathlon's fucking cool. You combine...

Everybody's like, oh, yeah, skiing. All right, all right. I guess we already have some events that do that, though, and you're like, no, no, no. This is skiing, but with a gun. Wait. Ski but with a gun wait

Skiing with a gun so that's all that it is, but why do you have the gun? Oh, you know to shoot stuff. We have to hit the targets after we stop skiing the initial Olympics We decided to just do the skiing portion of it, but we lost too many participants to bear attack Decided to add the shooting to it. More as a precaution, a safety measure for those participating. We harbor no ill will towards the bears. They're just trying to eat.

That's the Norwegian handling it. Yeah, the Olympic firearms they use and bows for archery are so cool. I was looking at an Olympic archery bow last night on eBay. You buy it in different parts. You buy the handle part.

It's all carbon fiber and weighs nothing. Then you buy the limbs. That looked really cool. Do they look at all like... I want to, but I don't have the ad here. Chiz didn't link me to the one I wanted to do first. I'm digging around for that.

You silly bitch. Do those bows look at all like Ramsey's badass bow? Or does that not exist? That does exist because we looked it up one time, and it has a specific name. Because Ramsey has this crazy double recurve thing where it's got extra limbs facing forward as well as back. And we looked that up.

That's a historical bow. But I can't remember its name. It's a funky thing. That was cool, though, when he pulled out the big boy bow. Yeah. We're going to talk about some Game of Thrones at the end of the show, I think. What does Ramsay have? None of these are helpful. My advertisement here.

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Like you get nose blind to your own odors so quick because you're around it all the time. So if you have shit breath all the time, you don't even know because your body is just like – I don't get forgetting you worked out. you don't even know because your body's just like i don't get forgetting you worked out i i feel like that's something that should be hanging over your head is knowledge that you need to you need it is i'm not going to name any names but i know a guy who worked we worked out hard and then it was time to go eat and then we were like all right everybody ready to go eat and he's sitting there and he's like yeah and i'm like looking i'm like no you're not i. I'm like, well, let's all shower up before we go. Get ready, get dressed and everything.

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Help me here. I worked at Cisco and this was an Indian guy. Further complicated by the fact that he worked for me. It's not a co-worker where you can just like. He needed both smart mouth and deodorant. He had both issues. Both or two. Yeah.

The deodorant thing is just a cultural deal. I think in India, a lot of people either don't, I don't know what's going on in their head. They either don't know they smell, or they consider that a natural thing, and lots of people smell and, you know, deal with it. It's just life. This is what humans smell like. This is life, whatever. Whereas in America, we're

supposed to, if we smell at all, it should be pleasant. And what was I to do? This guy works for me. Like, if he was a peer, maybe I'd buy that fucker a six-pack of deodorant. Go ahead, Kyle. You got to go to the employment agreement and see if there's anything in there about his life. I'm serious.

I'm 100% serious. Because if you go in there and offend him culturally or something, then he'll be your boss next week. Right, right, right. What you do is you... He'll come in there and be like looking at your little cube, be like, he'll be picking things about it that don't be his standards. So I think you want to go back to that employee agreement

and see if there's something in there about like clean appearance or something. There always is. There are always some little claws in there. You've got to look a certain way. You've got to dress professionally. They usually use words like professionally or something like that. Look, you're not quite meeting the low watermark here of professionalism. I'm going to need you to.

I can recommend some products, but soap and deodorant every day, every day. Every day. Every day. I went to this guy's apartment once. You got to outsource it onto someone else. So next time, obviously that guy wasn't customer facing, but the next time someone did come in, you would have to just go to them in private afterward and be like, hey, Pajeet, that woman who came in today and spoke to you during your meeting, I don't want to be the one to tell you. I'm just like your breath and your, your armpits, your BO and your breath. It's just, it's real bad. And I'm telling it for you. I just don't

want you to be embarrassed. Like just put it off like that. Because if you go like, God, you smell like an asshole. You smell so bad. It's making my eyes water water i'm not crying out of pity i'm crying because i'm in this room with you like you can't do that or yes kyle's right he will be your boss next week you know they'd be like woody did you remember to put your video during time i went to his apartment smells like milk and mayonnaise blew me away this guy was doing hobbies that belonged in a garage in his like carpeted apartment he was into painting he was into pottery

and there was like a like pottery I guess creates a kind of like dust that gets it was so thick it wasn't just in the carpet it was like stacked on top of the carpet there was no vacuuming it out because it like turns back into clay or something on the ground.

You should have fired him. He was moonlighting for Pier 1. There were so many people living there. That was another thing. They were stacked. There was a family of four in one of the rooms. You're over there. It's Cisco Systems. How can I help you? You listen to him over there. Paterny barn! There was a family. And I taught. the family of four also worked there and like it was kind of adorable like every night when they went to bed his wife and him were in the bed and then he like held hands with his kids as they fell asleep together on the bed next to the bed and uh

but it was place was romantic place i was i always wondered in those like family situations where it's like oh nine of us lived in this room it's like when like if you got a 14 13 any boy in that range it's like when is that kid getting the opportunity to masturbate because if they're all living in there he's definitely not getting any shower time like that because that was you know you were saying that showering wasn't a daily thing in that in the culture you encountered. And so what is one to do? How do you masturbate, Mr. Patel? Once a week, every month.

I'm glad we don't have any Indian fans. We went through this with the Irish, Kyle. Sorry, that was the South Koreans. I thought they'd be the only ones we upset tonight. Really, brown in the face. Elon Musk. They're not listening. What was that, Filthy?

He said, don't forget women. Oh, you're offending tonight? Yeah, really, it's just white males who watch this show. We're fine. And I bet people watching are like, yeah, actually, that's about right. So Elon Musk just received verbal government approval for the Boring Company, boring being like digging, to build an underground New York-Philadelphia-Baltimore-DC hyperloop, New York to DC in 29 minutes.

Just quickly, that's the name of the company or the type of company? Both. It's the name. Yeah, probably both. So it's the Boring Company. If you don't know, Elon Musk has a couple pet things, apparently that really interest him.

Uh, one of them is of course the electric cars. Another one is the solar roofs. And another one is digging holes. Also space travel. Oh, space travel. Thank you.

Can someone backfill for me? Like it almost seems like the Elon Musk guy. Like I'm just not up to. You remember that thing, you know, that thing at the bank that, put your deposit in and it goes... He wants to make one of those for people. Your car is going to park and you're going to have a super Hyperloop thing under the ground.

Elon Musk did that. Is that how it works? Your car goes in a container and it sucks you through? Is that actually right? I don't think there's going to be a can at the bank, but the transportation mode transportation mode is like a vacuum system like a train i thought it was a vacuum system too i don't think it's a vacuum i thought it was just in a vacuum and i thought it was to reduce friction right i don't think it's i don't think it's like vacuum powered like it's sucking it it's hang on a minute because i know what it is i know what it is i said it wrong to begin with

so he does have a thing that involves cars going down into, I saw that, but that's not what the Hyperloop is. The Hyperloop does have like some sort of a train car thing, I think. And it, but it's a vacuum chamber that it's inside of. I'm almost positive that it's just like the thing at the bank that you're shooting this thing through a vacuum chamber. shooting this thing through a vacuum chamber. He really, like, I don't know much about Elon Musk, but he strikes, I bet the Dyson guy is livid every day

just thinking, like, that could have been me. You know, like, I could have been the guy. Do you want to pay $200 for a fan with no blades that sits in the corner of your room and looks odd? Of course you do, you fool. You stupid fool. Do you want to buy a $600 vacuum with a ball in it? Of course you do you fool you stupid fool do you want to buy a 600 vacuum with a ball in it

of course you do you stupid twat that dyson fan is so cool every time i see one at best buy because that's the only place i see them go to best buy and you're like stick your hand through it you know you do the whole thing you're like magic i was never buying i was reading while kyle was talking but apparently they take your car and put it on an electric skate and have it zip through the tunnel. I think he's got two different things. He's got so many things, right? There is two.

I'm looking at an article right now that suggests there's two. I'll link it. Yeah, so the thing you're talking about, Woody, is what I was initially talking about, but I don't think that's the Hyperloop quite as much as it is using his boring technology and underground tunnels.

I think the Hyperloop is like a train thing with a vacuum that you're inside of, and it's sucking you along or blowing you along. It's a negative vacuum you travel in with high pressure on the back. I'm not sure if it sucks or blows. I'm down. Both?

How did Elon Musk get his position today? Like, I haven't followed him a super long time, so I don't know when he transitioned into being the tech man for the government and the people or whatever with these companies. When did that happen? What was it? How long ago

did he become this huge guy? It seemed like when the cars started doing well, that made him a lot of money, right? I thought... Well, no, the government gave him a large subsidy. I feel like he sold PayPal, became like

a multi-billionaire, and then he started pursuing all these other things that were his passion. Does that sound right? I don't remember. I just like, I followed the whole space thing. And every now and then when I see something about, because they have a like small version of the Hyperloop in LA somewhere.

And I watched the videos of him doing that thing where you're like on board and that thing starts going faster and faster down that tunnel. And it's just so fast. It's like the Running Man. It's just like Arnold Schwarzenegger in the Running Man. It's like that kind of like sliding through a tunnel at hyperspeed kind of fast. It's like the Running Man. It's just like Arnold Schwarzenegger in the Running Man. It's like that kind of sliding through a tunnel at hyperspeed kind of look. It looks awesome.

I was reading business advice from Elon Musk, and it was the most unusable bullshit I had ever seen in my life. It pissed me off. He was like... What was it? Stuff like, think big. For example,

I noticed batteries were really expensive, so I thought, oh, what are the raw materials to a battery? Maybe we can mine that cheaper. So I started a mining operation and a this operation and a that, harvested all the raw materials on my own and made cheaper batteries than anyone else did. Just do stuff like that. And all I needed was $4 billion from the government.

You sign up. I don't like the idea that people say, hey, I can't go anywhere because I don't have the capital investment. I was looking at this thing. It was super interesting in the way that middle class people are like, oh, I have brilliant ideas. I just don't have the capital to act on them. That's a bullshit loser way to think. But to act like the reason some regular person didn't invent cheaper LiP cheaper lipo batteries is because he never considered mining your taking materials on his own

But you're taking him to literally right he's not suggesting that you solve cheaper batteries Let's say you're a baker you bake cakes, but you just can't compete with the big boys down the street It's your ingredients you're buying all those ingredients and tubes and stuff you gotta go back to the beginning you got to start with fresh organic ingredients, maybe you should start growing some maybe you should. You've got to go back to the beginning. You've got to start with fresh organic ingredients. Maybe you should start growing some. Maybe you've got a co-op farmer nearby. You can get the wheat from him. Like a farm-to-table operator? Oh, I would love to open a farm-to-table.

I didn't say that! Would you just die if you could open a farm-to-table with fresh radishes for your... You know? They'd talk miles away about Taylor's patented radishes if you had saw it i think you'd agree with me that his stuff just it wasn't actable or actually sure yeah i'm not going it just sounds like he was trying to give you a new way of thinking

about your problems rather than actual literal advice on how to like you couldn't apply that in real life he was out of starting out as a billionaire, right? Like a plumber goes through. I'm glad he's out of touch as fuck because he's the kind of guy who's thinking big. I don't want his mind thinking about batteries anymore. Maybe a little, but not really. I want him to think about

things like space travel and transportation. It sounds like this Hyperloop thing could be really cool. To me, it's like the show. You were like a savior. America's savior. Sorry, I thought there was a break in there. I know there wasn't. But America,

I feel like, isn't doing... Outside of Elon Musk, what is America doing that's advancing our place in the nation? Him and his solar roofs and his space travel and the boring company and like this stuff is big, huge, awesome thinking. Take away Elon Musk. What are we leading?

I don't know. I know he's very public with his stuff though, right? So I mean part of why we know all this stuff about him is because he makes it part of his business to go out and tell everyone. The CEO of Lockheed Martin doesn't come out. Guess what guys? Our planes are invisible again. Yep, yep, invisible

plane. Don't look, Russians. Don't look, don't look. I feel like there's a lot of people making an advantage. Look up and we're going to have a 700 invisible plane fly over. I take your point as you mean it, Woody, to some degree, which is that I honestly think a lot of stuff he's doing is really cool. And it is that type of thinking that you hear

US space program cancelled and you kind of get a little fucking depressed that you're like this is so short-sighted the thinking behind doing something like that so it is nice to see that somewhere this is being picked up again on some level of the kind of you know the it's not quite blue sky stuff not blue sky it's a bunch of money right trump gave them like a two percent bump or something like that i know they came out recently and said they don't have the money to get to Mars, but it's not like Trump cut their money. I don't think it was even Trump, wasn't it, before this?

It was quite a bit before this, wasn't it? The point, unfunding stuff like space travel is so fucking short-sighted in the long run. There's just no way that that is a good long-term strategy for anything. So it is nice to see people on the cutting edge of technology with the money and the willpower to get something done

Trying to do something. I don't know that he's the only one doing it But he's certainly one of the most visible people doing this type of thing in the 70s really cool America led computers right like we have the miniaturization of it getting PCs on everyone's desktop. That was our thing That was an American thing that we led in and and it's paid off for a long long long time. In the 90s and early 2000s, America led the internet. We really did. The Googles of the world, the YouTubes of the world. You think about almost every major website on the planet,

it's an American thing. What are we doing for this decade and the next decade? Where's America really taking charge of that? It needs to be renewable energy. It needs to be future technologies and materials. It needs to be space for sure. Space mining is going to be so big whenever we make it. Whenever we make it so that it's $1 cheaper to go get the shit than it's worth.

You know what I mean? Like if it costs a trillion dollars to go up there and lasso that asteroid, but that asteroid's worth $1 trillion and $1, then we've got it made. I feel like that's one of the most important technologies because you always read about this rare earth metal or that rare earth metal. Oh, yeah, China has all of that. Come on, that too.

It's water. You get water from asteroids. Desalination technology is so important. Someone needs to work on that for sure. Is water that big a deal? There's something about water. It's a huge deal because it's too expensive to desalinate water. we don't have a way of doing that that's that's good enough to to work like we can't desalinate water enough to keep to keep people in drinking water you know california's

you know got a massive coast but they're they're all out of water because there's also it's also about future technologies right like we should have figured that out decades ago, like desalination and all that. What is the problem? It's too expensive? I guarantee what it is is there's no reason to do it. They're like, look at this big ocean of water we've got underneath us here. There's plenty of fresh water around, and just keep the same reason that you don't see environmental regulations come in until the last minute. When there are spills and there is pollution, they wait until the last minute to do these things. There's nothing pushing them

to perfect desalination technology how do we know and I know none of us probably know this but like we're there's all the talk of like oh mining Mars or whatever for valuable metals and such like what is it there that we're looking for mainly are we still kind of poking around, figuring it out? Or is there something that we know? Like, there's a deposit of XYZ here. Yeah, so I don't know about mining Mars, but what they always talk about is mining asteroids because they're just these giant rocks of metal

and minerals up there that can exist in crazy quantities like they don't here. Like, gold's pretty rare here. I think all the gold on earth Maybe came from meteor strikes It's one of them one of the mineral there's a lot of rare earth metals that are here that all of it that is here came from an asteroid out there So there are asteroids out there that are worth trillions and trillions of dollars that that are made of some rare earth metal whether it's Thesium or something or polonium or whatever the fuck the thing's made out of, but they're not

just rock. They're often metal. I wonder what that would do to the economy if we brought back, like, an 18-wheeler filled to the brim with just space gold. Because suddenly it'd be like, oh, that gold bar you have that was supposed to be the, like,

you know, nest egg if everything went tits up? Like, that doesn't, it's not worth half what it used to be because we have a lot of gold. There's really not that much gold. I'm making this up but it's something close to this. Like a 2,000 square foot normal house. All the gold ever discovered on the

planet could fit in that. It's really not that much gold. That's why I said just like an 18-wheeler amount. Seems like that could do something. Sorry, I kind of want to say this. Sorry, that's why I said just like an 18-wheeler amount. Seems like that could do something. Sorry, I kind of want to say this. Sorry, break in on this. If you crack asteroid mining as something that we can do as a species, it opens

doors for future space exploration that you don't have otherwise. I mean, there's a huge cost associated with bringing material out of the Earth's gravity well, right? From the planet, the surface of the planet into space. And that's a huge cost associated with that. If you can bring materials from outer space

into outer space, like, in a sense, from asteroid belt to Earth, or wherever it is you're going to do this with, and assemble materials there, like, to do future exploration, or future, for example, colonization of Mars, you crack one of the big economic problems with that, right?

So that's a pretty fucking cool idea, too. What if the other way to crack it was to make it less expensive right if you're like you bring it up yeah like space elevator yeah yeah oh yeah the space elevator idea is cool we just want to do materials that can do it we don't like anything right isn't it kind of the idea that some of the the what is it the nano yeah what the fuck is it the something tubes what the fuck are they called i think it's i think it's graphene maybe it's a it's a it's made from carbon uh it's these like uh carbon nano tubes yeah yeah that's i think that's graphene uh but there's a couple of like futuristic materials and i may have it confused with the other one yeah the space elevator idea is cool but it seems like like the quickest thing to do

and probably easier, you've got to make a moon base, right? I know that sounds fantastic, not in the way of like, oh, yeah, that's fantastic. It sounds fantastic. It's like, oh, that's some Jules Verne shit, but a moon base is what we need because you can mine the...

I think they can make fuel on the moon, right? I keep hearing that, that they can take some components from the moon and make hydrogen or something like that, make hydrogen fuel. So it seems like they've got to make a moon base. It's also disappointing to me. It's all fragile, and it's seemingly not durable. When I look at space things, I think of lots of lightweight plastics and fabrics.

You're not building hardy shit and bringing up to space and then to fill these points because it's expensive to get it off of earth but i think that when i hear moon base like okay this is dumb but like the martian right that thing he built with the plastic and the tape and the uh where he farmed his potatoes that to me is what space stuff is like it's all super lightweight, like tents and stuff. We don't do much durable outer space, even the International Space Station. Like, when you look at it, it feels like if you really focused,

you could drive a fist or a hammer through that outside wall. It's like three millimeters of aluminum or something like that. I guess that's obviously because of what Filthy said, how expensive it is to get one pound from from from earth into orbit or whatever there's a dollar amount attached to that it's outrageous with that too like i mean i'm thinking like well it doesn't matter is the other point it's like it's like what if you made that fucking thing 10 millimeters thick if you made it as thick as a tank like if you made if you get if you've got an abrams tank up there it still ain't gonna matter if an asteroid this the size of my hand hits it

It's not even the asteroid like the size of like like a it's like an inch long thing will like punch through I mean you see this going 20,000 miles per second at minimum at minimum. It's going 20,000 miles per second right like it's outrageous Per hour I think yeah per hour. Yeah, we said 20,000 miles per second, I was like, I can't even imagine that speed. The speed of light. I'm boggled, Kyle. I'm boggled by that. And you know what?

I believed you immediately. Really? I was like, that sounds too fast, but I'm not in a position to correct it. Yeah, because that's like one-ninth the speed of light. Don't be one to dispute it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's put your bird to rest.

One-ninth the speed of light isn Don't be one to dispute it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's put your bird in trash. 1,900 miles per second. In the universe, 1,900th the speed of light isn't too ridiculously fast. Like, if you think of the distances that are traveling that, like, if we're ever going to expand elsewhere,

1,900th the speed of the light is not anywhere near fast enough. Yeah, that's the thing. Like, if we did get to 20,000 miles per second, god damn, our ship's slow. It's still going to take 40 years to get anywhere significant.

I don't even know. I've never done, like, a light speed at miles per second. Light speed is 186,000 miles per second. Is that really? I promise you that's what it is. You can Google. I don't care. That sounds right.

Now that you mention it, I recall. You know what? The 186 thing lights up as familiar. The second half of it, I'll just take him on his word. I think it's 186 something. So, yeah, it sounds like he knows. It's pretty cliché for humanity, I think, to say, man, if I'd been born 50 years later, there was some cool stuff coming. I can see it right now.

But I think that that is getting more and more true by the second because i think progress isn't linear progress is exponential i don't i think the human beings 100 years from now are going to be a whole different kind of thing i i think there's going to be a lot of genetic surgery is going to be amazing forget eyelid surgery they're going to be bigger stronger fast you just know like like 3 000 years ago there was some guy in a tribe in africa like had i just been born 20 years later i would be on easy street believe you me like you know you know how you know the point that you do because twenty years

from now taylor like like uh... someone like us could go get some uh... some genetic treatments or something and like make us into a whole new person you know and our children no i'm just saying that they would have thought that, like, back then, like, all of... I was, like, bolstering your point that it is kind of cliche, because someone, some, like, regal lord in

1600 was like, had I been born six years later, I could live an eternal life. Look at all the humans they're discovering in the life. How did you... A brilliant man has just discovered phrenology. He says that I'm born to be king, you know? It's just discovered phrenology. He says that I'm born to be king.

You know, like that kind of shit. Like, I don't know. It is interesting, but it really like filthy. I like the way you put that. It's exponential. And so like now you don't even have to go 50 years. You could just go like 10 years and be like, I'm at if your life, if you were born today, any of us were born today, our life would be wildly different. We might live to be 120 or something like who knows yeah yeah i definitely believe that i when i keep hearing about like the chinese doing like genetic uh testing and manipulation underground and like

creating some superhumans and i'm like yeah why not why wouldn't they why wouldn't the chinese be making supermen right now why is that so fantastic to believe that they're also how is that not the inevitable outcome of being able to alter the genome anyways when i was a kid that's what they said about the russians they said yeah but the russians are making super soldiers back in the 80s and 90s and that they were and all they made were super swimmers they fucked up somewhere they couldn't even win the 80 olympics again maybe that's why they boycotted the 84 what you're talking about that's you know there'sotted the 84, what you were talking about. There's a difference between red fear and

there's a lot of evidence that they have been researching. I can't think of the name of the technology. CRISPR? Yeah. It's terrifying. I feel like Michael Scott on that episode when he read the Newsweek about China sometimes. If you do any

research about China in a specific field I watched this thing about solar energy months ago And they were showing this fucking Chinese solar energy plant And it was just as far as the eye could see and this guy in Chinese is explaining to you They're in this huge warehouse full of batteries, and he's like oh yeah, so there's there's eight batteries in this box And there are 20 boxes in this shelf, and there are 1,000 shelves in this row, and there are 40 rows in this building,

and there are 50 of these buildings, and that's just the lead-acid part of this operation. We also have the, and then it goes to the different kinds of batteries they're using because they have this system. They show the power usage in a bell curve, and they're like, oh, yeah, we use regular regular they have a computer algorithm that's keeping it balanced they're like oh yeah more from this end less from that end like keeping this uh keep using battery power

during the night to keep that bell curve good and solid and keep everybody charged up with electricity it was fascinating to see the amount of money that had been pumped into this thing and i just know that we're not doing the same thing. We got one citizen over here. We got a guy named Elon Musk who sold a website called PayPal and he's financing our solar energy. Meanwhile, out in some Chinese desert that I didn't even know they had,

they've got this like facility that looks like something out of Fallout with reflecting mirrors. I'm with you. It does strike you as you have to progress or you're going to just totally left behind. Get left behind. And so quickly, right? and here's the thing about getting left behind really Yeah, what if we do fall the second place when we fall a fucking 14th place? There's a lot of people out that like right now

We might be in like first or second place or whatever look at what we do to the people who are in 48 And I'm talking about like tech. I'm on the tech tree now. This is Civ talk I'm talking about like tech. I'm on the tech tree now. This is Civ Talk. We're in like first or second place in tech. Look at what we're doing to the people who are in 48th and 49th place, right? Like the robot wars are coming, people. You don't think they are? You're crazy. The robot wars are coming. You saw that robot on the internet that runs and fucking jumps. That sounds like a joke, but I think you're right. I'm 100% right. And the thing is, at first, we'll have the robots.

Maybe the Soviets got some bootleg robots. They're always like tweaking out. There's people in there. They don't admit it. They're just spinning in circles. Everybody's on the ground like, it'll run out soon. They look like Daleks. We'll have fucking RoboCops.

The Chinese will have something where the Chinese will be like, the Americans made a full robot. But the problem is you've got to put the killer instinct of a man. They'll make a real RoboCop where they take Chinese soldiers and put their brains inside the hardware and they'll create an actual RoboCop. That shit's coming.

And the best part about it is I heard someone else talk about this for a while. It'll be just like today, the way that we use drones to kill people who are out there just walking around with AK-47s. We're going to be using robots to kill those people eventually those people will have to fight robots they will be out there whoever our enemies are in 20 years they're gonna be in their jungle in their desert

in their house whatever it is and they're gonna be like the the robots came the american robots came they show no mercy they show no no mercy. They ripped Abdul in half. No, no, no. In half. Like, it's going to be terrifying. Like, that shit's coming. They're going to have to, like, re-evaluate. Be like, frankly, this global caliphate, if it hadn't happened by now, it's not going to happen, guys.

There are far too many robots. We don't have a single robot. You know? We just have a lot of impressionable children but it's not gonna get it done you know weaponizing roombo's trying to keep up with just a knife on the front I've made your cave is incredibly clean but this is not That's good. Yeah, that will be a disheartening day. It'll honestly be like when you think back to World War I,

when they're like, do you know that the Polish met the Germans on horseback and the Germans had the first kind of run of tanks? It'll be like that level of tech difference, where it's like, did you know in the 2040 Middle East Continuation Saga War that was still going to be going? You know, that the Afghanis came out against robots with AKs. Like, it's going to be that level. The winged Hussar were so badass. I did a little research on them because I played so much goddamn Civ, and that's like Poland's Union.

It's dudes on horseback, and they're just on the cusp like firearm tech has come muskets have come but they're still on the horses so they just throw a little armor on and and and they'll have guns or they'll have pikes it's this weird mix of old school and new school and hard ass like like the guys who were in this were like special forces like they're bearded and big fuckers like crazy mustaches and stuff it's really fun to read about huh but i cared because it's a it's a unit in civilization five like a like a pretty powerful all right uh so that's elon musk and his boring machine uh turned out to be more interesting than the name would imply it is it is pretty interesting have you ever watched youtube videos of boring machines?

He goes and he rips on those machines. He's like, here's their problem. One, apparently their tunnels are too big. They make these big two-way tunnels. They don't need to be that big. We can do smaller, layered, whatever. Another thing is they're inactive 50% of the time. First they dig, and then it takes a whole lot of time for them to move forward,

get rid of all the dirt they just put in elon musk's boring machine apparently just a hundred percent of the time is moving forward it's like pulling the waste product through it i would imagine i don't know but like based on what you just said it seems like the old ones come up and like it's yeah like from lord of the rings or from that travesty the hobbit uh yeah god that was awful you know because i've seen those in in coal mines and stuff, that thing that comes up with that big face and with all those teeth,

and each tooth is as big as a hand like that, just all facing one direction and turning, and it just makes a pile of rubble, and they go and scoop it all up, which makes sense, I guess, with coal mining, but he's doing something totally different. So I learned about the... I was going to call it the new Game of Thrones. That's not

accurate, but the people who made Game of Thrones, Chris Nolan and Ted Sanderos, got a new project! They have a new project, and it's going to take place in the Civil War time, and it's going...

Modern Day Times. It's called The Confederacy. it takes place in modern day times yeah I thought it was called the confederacy but it takes place in modern day times and it shows what happens if the south had won completed their secession slavery has continued and it follows characters that are everything from

slave catchers to like the owners of a slave holding conglomerate and you get to see it from all points of view they added two black uh show producers to the two white guys from gamer thrones just so you know so the article i read it's on vanity fair it like 70 of it is devoted to how these are the wrong people to tell the story because they're white and and like wait the fictional wait but it's not a real story right right they're totally like the header is like game of moans um and and they're like yeah these guys there is a less than enthusiastic reaction are these the right

people to tell that story uh they're calling it stupid as hell. Y'all are good with magic, but when it comes to black people, I don't trust you. Nice. It was all fine and good with Man in the High Tower when the fucking Nazis won, and we got to show a revisionist history

of Nazi-run America, but all of a sudden, when the stars and bars make a reappearance, the heavens are raining down. I don't know why people can't have fun with this. It's gonna be silly. I'm sorry. It pisses me off, actually. I'm kind of upset that they say

you can't do this, you're white. I'd be like, fuck off. You can't tell someone We're the ones who had the slaves. How dare you tell our slave-holding story? You know nothing about holding slaves. That's funny. See, Kyle, that's the wrong angle to take.

I know, that's why I took it. I know, I think I might have sent these bloggers. That was really good, though. But no, I just feel like if you told me that I couldn't do something because I was black or I couldn't do something because I was Asian, then I would be justifiably pissed off. And if you tell me I can't do something because I was black or I couldn't do something because I was Asian, then I would be justifiably pissed off. And if you tell me I can't do something because I'm white, fuck you.

And I mean that truly, from the bottom of my heart. Don't disqualify anyone based on their skin color. Nelson Mandela in the production gave me so much shit. But anyway, I wonder i wonder oh go ahead i think uh like i totally see where you're coming from and i i agree with what you're saying like telling anybody hey you can't tell this made-up story because you're not the right race is like what the fuck is wrong no it's not real it's made up and even if it was real telling someone you can't tell this story it's like well can you can we not write stories about world war one because we're all they're all dead

Is that disrespectful to their memory somehow or something like but all the bigger thing is like I I'm not that intrigued by the premise Of the show I I thought that man in the high castle Was gonna because like I'm way more intrigued by the revision of like what if we'd lost World War World War two because that seems Like that really could have happened like there was a good book and a shitty show, I thought. Yeah, I didn't read the book, but I tried watching the show and I can't get into it. And so this one, maybe I'll give it a shot. Hopefully it'll be better.

But these alternate history shows have been way bigger misses than I thought they would be. I'm definitely on board because of the Game of Thrones thing. If I had just heard, if it weren't the Game of Thrones people and it weren't HBO, because we know HBO, right? They pull from a pretty good stable of cast members. If you watch every...

I think I have at this point. I watched Six Feet Under recently and got all five seasons of that under my belt. So I think I've seen every single HBO series there ever was, including all of Sex and City. What's that? Young Pope. Now, I hadn't started that yet, but that's new that i don't even know if that's all yeah yeah yeah but

but i'm gonna watch it i'm gonna check it out um so i've seen them all and i see a lot of familiar faces like it seems like when they find a good actor they'll bring him back the guy who plays omar in the wire he's a black man with a scar across his face you see him and like everything hbo does and rightfully so because he's an amazing character actor. I believe he's the man he's playing. You see him as Omar Little, this gun-slinging, badass motherfucker in Baltimore, and you believe it.

Then all of a sudden, you see him as the fanciest black man in Atlantic City running his own gang empire and boardwalk empire, and you're like, yeah, I believe that too. There's a great scene where chalky white's locked up in jail and this newcomer is locked up with him and he doesn't realize who's who's in the jail cell with it and he's giving chalky white shit the whole time trying to instigate a fight with the man and chalky just takes it just constantly takes and

there's big guys in this in this jail cell with him and you don't know what's going to happen like maybe this newcomer is going to like get these other guys with him they're going to do something bad to chalky and finally chalky has like had all he can take and he looks at one big guy and he goes he hasn't said a word to anyone yet this newcomer's knocked chalky's book out of his hand he's like davis how's your mama doing and the biggest black guy in the corner goes she's doing real good mr chalky thank you for sending that money for the medicine and he looks over at the other guy and goes corner goes she's doing real good mr chalky thank you for sending that money for the medicine and he looks over at the other guy and goes robert how's your folks doing real good mr chalky thank you for that turkey last christmas yeah yeah and then like right right at

that moment everybody jumps on the guy and starts kicking the dog shit out of the newcomer and just stomping his face and then the next time you see him, he's missing some goddamn teeth and he never gets them back. I like that continuity that he never got his teeth back. He had a gold tooth from then on. You knew. He took that beating and became Chalky's

subordinate. He was like, you don't fuck with Chalky. He got the message. I love Boardwalk Empire. I didn't know that that was the same actor. I like him. I've only seen him as Chalky White because I haven't seen The Wire. That scar on his face. It's so much character. I feel like in life, you'd hate to have a big scar

on your face, right? Like Jose Aldo. He's got this big... I guess it's a scar, but it looks a bit like a birthmark. And it goes from the corner of his mouth back almost to one of his ears in a straight line. It's like, man, that's unattractive. But you are a fighter. It's a bit intimidating.

It works, I guess. Is he a burn victim? I don't know. I don't know. That's when I said, because it looks pink underneath it, like a burn, or maybe, I don't know what happened.

It looks like there was a skin graft or something. The truth is, I think I know his story, but I might have it mixed up with the hounds. So I'm going to Google it. Jose Aldo and his brother, known as the Mountain. This is pretty close. He was accidentally dropped onto a barbecue by his sister.

God. I often hold children above barbecues and then go, oh, what have I done? Accidentally dropped onto a barbecue and then left there to saute. Wasn't the hound story that his brother held him on a stove? No, it wasn't the story. The hound story was that Gregor didn't like that his toy was not being played with by him. And so he held the hound's face just right on the fire, and he just held it there like a maniac.

I'm glad to see him. Let's not talk about Game of Thrones yet. Yeah, we're going to push Game of Thrones to the end because we're very Game of Thrones heavy on PKN. There will be lots of Game of Thrones talk. I'm very passionate about it. I've seen the episode twice. I loved it, but we'll talk about that at the end of the show.

I'm back on Sopranos. I've been watching that again. I just finished season two, and so I shouldn't have taken a break. Oh, there's some shit coming if you just finished season two, buddy. At the end of season two, is that the one where Tony has terrible food poisoning? Yes. And it comes to the realization? Man, you know just this show.

God, it's amazing. So I remember the plot lines, but I can't be like, oh yeah, season two, episode eight. Something cool is happening, but Kyle can do that. So I'm in a good place right now. It's about to recapture. Oh, yeah, Matt. This is a turning point. Tony's more like

a real human being than a movie character or a TV show character in that what just happened there at the end of season two, that affects him from now on. Remind me? I'll let Taylor say it so that I don't make sure I'm not spoiling. What happens at the end of season two?

Oh, he has horrible food poisoning and Richie gets murdered and then Pussy gets killed. There you go. Pussy has been talking to the FBI. Tony gets the food poisoning, and he has these crazy dreams from the food poisoning

in which he sees, and his subconscious speaks to him and tells him, Pussy's the rat, man. You've known Pussy's the rat the whole time. You're letting your friendship and your love for this man blind you to the fact that Pussy is the rat. He wakes up, and even though he's still shitting himself basically he's he calls up his crew he's like let's go get pussy he goes over there and sure enough while he's shitting in pussy's bathroom he opens up a little cigar box there's his fucking tape recorder and shit so like they go back out to the living room like pussy we gotta go right now we're going to look at a boat

tony's gonna buy a boat and and like they don't give him time to get his recorder and shit. They just take him. And they get on the boat. And, like, there's a moment where Pussy's still like, eh, pretty nice boat, huh? And then he looks at the other three guys, and they're all just kind of staring at him like, jigs up. And that's it.

He kills his best friend. They all shoot him dead. They dump him over the side wrapped in chains and in a body bag. He has to be shot in the face, right? Yeah, not in the face right yeah not not not in the face he's like he wanted an open casket and he's like can i can i just have a minute here i just need a minute bang bang bang bang bang and then they just open up on him yeah he gets that tequila shot down oh the last thing they ask him he's like uh he's telling him about the hot chick that was

down uh that that he was messing with when that was rubbing his back when he was doing his physical therapy and on the lamb or whatever he's oh, she had an ass like a dime. He could bounce off of it. And they're like, was she even real, puss? And he has that moment where they all realize, like, nah, she wasn't real. He wasn't real. He's still just in his fantasy world

trying to live in that fantasy for one more second. And then they gun him down. Great scene. Yeah, it is a really good scene. I like the part in the show where, and i know it's not like a super old show but it did seem like it was a bit ahead of its time with like the mental illness thing where at one point during uh i guess it was after tony collapses from the the food or it was before he collapsed in the food poisoning he collapses and has to go to the hospital for being like dizzy and the doctor's like oh it's nothing physical you know so that's good news and he's like i wish it was something physical

then i could have it pulled the fuck out of me you know it's you telling me this isn't physical isn't helpful to me like i gotta go find some other solution now and it was like oh wow like that's an angle that you probably didn't get a lot in shows more in the you know 90s that's why i relate to tony so much is i have panic attacks. I have those. And you can't control it. And sometimes it's stuff that you, it's not the stuff that you would think you'd be the most afraid of.

It's not necessarily fear. It's just like, oh, there's too much going on and my brain, my body's going to shut down now and I can't stop it. But you feel yourself slipping into it. And like I, he acts, like watching him act and have a panic attack, it's like, that is exactly what it's like.

Like sometimes he has a little one that he doesn't pass out from and he's like and you see him blinking he's blinking because everything's going gray he can't fucking see there's not enough blood going to his goddamn eyeballs to keep him working anymore and he's he's grabbing stuff because he can't stand anymore he's getting light-headed he can't keep his balance or operate his motor skills as well anymore but sometimes he'll yeah i'm fine it was uh it was just a little indigestion because you have this moment of like shame right after it's really a little embarrassed of yourself it's like falling in and slipping and shit right you're like i'm not uncoordinated don't think that of me you know but it's it's not that it's not in coordination it's this thing you can't control

it's it's fucking awful so yeah i always love that part of the show too yeah i'm really like how how often do you get those or was that more when you were younger no i still get them um it may be once twice a year just have you noticed like set one off huh is it like a stress situation yeah is it an overwhelming like like a hole or like a momentary stress like like i don't know it's a momentary thing it's it's triggered um to to to to use their fucking awful word but but it is it's a thing that happens right here and now it's not something that will build up and up and up and then oh no it's like maybe we were already at a heightened state, but a thing happens. I hear a thing. Someone tells me a thing.

I get a bit of news, whatever it is, and it's just like, oh, this is overload. This is emotional overload for your system. System reboot, engage. And, like, sometimes I can come out of the system reboot. I can sit down and, like, control my breathing and, like, really think think positively and i can pull myself out of it but there's been several times where i completely collapse hit the ground and wake up on the floor uh i hurt i banged my elbow and head real bad one time on on uh concrete and i woke up and do this without being too personal kyle but is there something can you share like a time like an event that triggered it when i was in court when i when I was in court and I went to court for – I had a concealed carry permit.

I was wearing my gun 100,000 percent lawfully, legally, and the cops didn't know the law. They locked me up, got right back out, and the court date comes, and I go in there super confident knowing that I'm all good. There's going to be – oh, I think the judge is going to say, but they have a permit. What were you doing, John? You locked them up. They're 22. there's going to be oh because i think the judge is going to say but they have a permit what were you doing john you locked him up they're 22 like i thought that's what's coming but no judge doesn't know the law he's like you're in jail fifty thousand dollar fine and i have to start defending myself in court um and i didn't know i had to i didn't bring a lawyer i didn't think i thought this was like it was clear to me that this is like it would be like if they accused you of

speeding and you weren't in a car you'd be like well i was just running down the sidewalk your honor he'd be like the man was on the sidewalk johnson what happened to you what are you thinking he was just running fast i thought that's what was coming and he's like nah you're in jail fifty thousand dollar fine and i have to go into like pretend matlock mode because my cousin is driven into a he made fun of me a little bit for passing out but i was like you went so fucking quiet like you were gonna sit there and take a year you dummy you fucking your mouth like got sewn shut in that moment cat ate your tongue so like i start pulling out print outside of my pockets from the georgia attorney general i start talking about other cases where presidents had

been set i start i i have these quotes from lawyers and i'm like and it's enough in the end so that he's like well i guess i'll look at this a little further and get back to you. But right before that happened, I passed out and a deputy grabs one side of my belt. My cousin grabs the other side of my belt and a shoulder and they like marionette me out of the courtroom. But I was unconscious. I woke up out of the courtroom wondering if I'd won or at least won enough that like jail didn't follow this.

You know, are they going to like, all like all right like is that what coming like I don't know but like I remember like as I was slowly fading into unconsciousness begging for a drink of water I wanted cold water and I was gonna like pretend drink it and then like rub some across my face I just I knew that would get me like keep me awake but they're like nah we don't have anything to drink nothing as soon as they got me back there to that room they had a coca-cola on ice and peanut butter crackers coming out but uh but yeah of course as i said i was we were 100 in the right and maybe a couple weeks later that's what happened i went back up there they gave us our handguns back and that was that but yeah that was an apology from a judge or anything like that no no nothing like that if that happened today we'd sue those from a judge or anything like that? No, nothing like that.

If that happened today, we'd sue those cocksuckers and we don't have that county. You had situations as FPS Russia where there would be like 100 people around, everyone looking toward you, right? That is the kind of thing that I find stressful. The thing that I want so much, I want you all to look at me while I run. I want everybody to see it when I do this thing

that none of you can do. That's how I feel i'm doing that okay like none of you have the balls to do what i'm about to do and you couldn't if even if you did and now watch like i got a crowd coming to see what i could do i love that shit we were in the desert one time and these people who just heard what we were going to do showed up and they're all way too fucking close but it ain't my land and i'm not responsible for any of this and i gave them the i'm like this is your last warning we're going live that shit's gonna blow and you're not safe and they're like did all right i'm not even actually pulling the trigger here do it and and they like they shot 50 pounds of explosives in a little structure and i'm in a tank i don't care but there's two by fours ripping around and shit no i love that

shit that that kind of pressure makes me perform. I need that. I love that. But the kind of like that you can't work your way out of, like that's the kind that when there's a judge there, like I can't beat him up or anything. Like it's his way or the highway. Like I have to convince him.

And that's a much more difficult fighting position, you know? Have you ever had it triggered over something small, like smaller than that? Or is it always like a bigger... I stood up to that bully one time in high school, pushed him. He was a big dude. I knew he could beat me up. But I was like, maybe he'll just stop

because he sees that I'm gonna be a fight. I know he wants to fight. And I was like, I shoved him back. Like, fuck you, Andrew. And I was so scared and went into a panic attack. And it did what I wanted it to do. Like, he didn't beat me up, and I didn't have to fight him. But I immediately, like, you know, that ended and went away.

Like, he left and I left. And I'm like, I had to shit so bad. I was in that like that like i heard joe rogan talking about watching two bears fight and one of them just start shitting just shitting his gut that happened it was like this evolutionary response where my body was like everything must go you're about to fight to the death and i'm like and i like i didn't even ask for permission i just walked out of the we were in like a metals shop type class so nobody would miss me anyway and i just remember going to the bathroom and just i didn't have diarrhea

before i i stood up to the bully but five minutes after it was just liquid diarrhea like flowing out of my ass that like the little turds go those were far and few in between it was mostly liquid and uh and i just remember thinking like you're such a pussy that you shit that you want to shit yourself but in reality like that's just how we're fucking programmed for whatever stupid fucking reason and i have no control over that it's frustrating not to have control of your body that's the worst part of it is that you don't have control in that moment to make yourself do what you want to do. And to be cognitively aware of what's likely to happen and be unable to prevent that outcome.

Yeah, and even to be somewhat aware of the brain chemistry behind it, you know? It's like you've got this machine, you know what's going to happen. You're like, God, don't. Don't, it's cool. Don't listen to the... No, we're not on the savannah.

You're cool. It's not a bear or a lion. Just don't... Oh, you shut down you shut down again yeah because like we're still operating on like all of our all the stuff we evolved you know like we when we see a snake there's a reason you're still in this day and age like oh shit because you've been trained for thousands of years that those things are bad news you know it doesn't matter that you see it and you know like oh well i can just walk straight to my car and drive away and it'll never you know

it's the same reason we don't like when we see a deformed person yeah you have like a disgust reaction of like oh not clean impure not healthy you know alarms going off yeah bad genetics or whatever the the case may be yeah it's the cruelty of, I guess, evolution, maybe? I feel like I'm not... It could all be a bunch of hunchbacks and clubfoots or something. Let me tell you about NatureBox. Yes. We're talking about nature. Let's talk about Nature's Box.

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ever closer to my featherweight fighting. I'm trying to get down to 148. I figure I'm a featherweight, so we're heading in there. So yeah, I continue to lose weight. I feel pretty good. I did the kettlebells about two days a week, I would say. I do like the kettlebells. They always make me sore. I jog about three days a week. This is over the last 10 days is what's been going on because I've definitely curtailed things back a good bit. I make sure I crank out 20 push-ups a day or something like that because they make me feel good. I feel like just the act of doing that under load, if that makes sense, like the push-up exercise, feels like it's stretching

my pecs out and my arms and keeping me from getting, I don't know, tight. It's almost like a stretch as much as an exercise. I get the satisfying soreness from push-ups. Also, I don't find a lot of kettlebell exercises that work my chest, which is why push-ups are important to me. Get a lie on your back.

I don't have double kettlebells. I just have one. It makes it tougher. I'll go next because I'm excited. I hit 200 today. So that means I lost two pounds this week. I usually lose one or two, sometimes zero, sometimes three, but usually one or two.

And I was happy I lost two this week, pretty psyched. And I don't know, just a milestone. That means I've lost a total of 20 pounds. And this was... So early on in the process, the subreddit was not kind. As a matter of fact, what they said is, does anyone else think Taylor's the only person doing anything?

And it hurt my feelings because at the time I was starving. Like I had a diet problem. That's why I was too fat. And I was kind of coming out of it. Like, like I don't want to act like I have withdrawals or shakes or anything, but I was craving, I had that. I was craving bad foods that I had gotten fat on. And I'm reading how I'm doing nothing as I'm like not eating when I want to be. And it was like, oh, like double blow. And then the YouTube comments started changing. The YouTube comments were kind of like, Woody, I can really see the weight loss. Because I guess I wore this helmet cam for a while.

And then I turned it around and they were like, whoa, like suddenly Woody's 15 pounds lighter. I'm now 20 pounds lighter. And I got a lot of positive comments and i was like oh my gosh can you believe that youtube is nicer than subreddit and then that changed now the subreddit is like having kind things to say about me like that super kind like like one guy was like even his skin looks younger like oh that's probably lighting that's probably lighting but uh um i'm getting a lot of positive feedback like there's a non-scale victory people are are seeing the change in me and that's pretty cool like i see the smallest changes when i lost four pounds i was like yeah that looks better than it

did before uh when i go from 204 to 200 i'm like ah yeah there was a band of fat around your mid section that has reduced a touch. Probably too subtle for anyone else. But when other people are seeing what I'll describe as an undeniable change as I went from 220 to 200, that's a really big motivational boost for me. And it's not long before my weight starts with one. April 15th is my start date. So I lost 20 pounds since Aprilil 15th it's not the fastest weight loss in the world but um no but i think it's been since last week last i was on

right like i don't watch i don't like watch physically when at any pk that i do watch i listen to i don't watch so i hadn't seen you know i actually almost said something when the camera turned yeah so like who knows see there you go see i see woody twice week, but I still notice. I can tell on your face you've definitely lost weight. It's very obvious, so keep it up. Well, thank you. Is the end goal zero? Yes.

It's completely gone. Eventually, I will hit zero. It's just about 80 years from now. Trying to get down to my birth weight. My conception weight. My prime was 10 pounds. The goal is 190. So I've lost 20 out of my 30 pounds.

And then I guess at 190, I'll evaluate and see if I'm where I want to be. But six foot-ish. I might be 5'11", something. But with proper footwear, definitely six foot. But yeah. But I'm very excited by my weight starting with one. I felt like I've said this again and again, but somewhere between 205 and lower, it just seemed like I thought I was a 200, but I wasn't.

And week by week by week, it's like, oh my God, like it was practically 200 for so long. Now I feel like I'm right. I was 200.2. I try to ignore decimals in general, but I'm just knocking on the door of 199 something and that's cool nice i have been sticking to the workout really good since my thumb got better and i had to take those few off but yeah i'm liking it i do the kettlebells three or four times a week and then i do a lot of push-ups and shit because

i've been seeing the same thing as you woody like i do the chest flies that kyle was referencing earlier with the two 25 pound ones but even that doesn't feel like it's doing very much for your chest like i'm kind of like or on the ground like how do you do your flies do you have oh i'm on a bench i'm on a weight bench yeah because when you like you couldn't do it on the ground with kettlebells i wouldn't think just because your shoulder blades would be weird and like they're hanging down so you wouldn't be able to like get it all the way on the ground but yeah i can tell i'm looking better i'm at 203 right now and so yeah i don't even i'm still kind of playing around with where i want my goal weight to be because i've never you know i've never stuck to a pretty difficult workout you know this long like four months i guess three months three

and some change so i don't know just kind of figuring out i'm liking it though like we've said it a million times but just like adding one more thing one more thing on your list of daily duties that you can put a check mark in checking boxes is very very satisfying for me and even in my head and so if i picture like oh you work out today a wednesday oh yes you did do that you did do that it's like a it's a nice little reward if you feel like something else didn't go good that day you still gotta win so yeah i'm liking it how about you filthy are you you doing anything fitness wise or still just riding a whiskey right now i had a glass of wine earlier i'll switch to whiskey low carb what what kind of whiskey are you are you particular

about the whiskey you drink or is it just a little bit i did um i just actually a couple months ago now i went down to uh kentucky and i did some bourbon trail stops with my brother and some friends and uh that was pretty cool and i tried a bunch of different bourbons i drink bourbon uh almost entirely i'm drinking knob creek right now um i'm not super particular about it but i like like them. Yeah, I didn't actually love the tasting stuff. I found that very, very fucking commercial and really obnoxious. But I did enjoy trying a lot of the

whiskeys down there, and there's a big whiskey culture. Everything serves in bazillion whiskeys. That was quite nice. Yeah, everywhere, when you drive through that part of Kentucky, it's just like billboards everywhere. You might see if somewhere has fireworks and the neighboring states don't or something. It's like whiskey tastings everywhere i don't know about that what was so commercial about it yeah that's all my god why do you like it you drove okay you

drove up to um fuck which one is it we go to we did uh i'm trying to remember which one we did i think we did one or two of the big ones and then we did and after that we're like we don't want to do that anymore we'll just go to restaurants and have food and drink i can't remember which one it was now and probably i shouldn't even say right so we went in and it was like drive up to this and you're driving out and it's quite a quite a way like hour hour and a half outside of the city of that we're staying in and uh you get out there and it's uh it's just huge fields everywhere these fenced in fields with like horses everywhere and it's starting to look really kind of fancy this isn't like run down farm country this is like fucking you know so expensive these were plantations at one point in all likelihood and then it was you know whatever

else that came down you drive up to this area and it's like this glorified you know like recreated kind of like farmhouse you fucking area and you go in and it's just like there's there's people who are employees everywhere they're like waving in like you know as you're parking and they're running bus tours and you get in it's just super crowded and there's an announcement every 30 minutes for the next whiskey tour of which one you want to go in there's a souvenir shop and a shitty cafeteria and there's a bazillion people everywhere and there's people with the the fucking shirts that we're doing all the stops in the whiskey tour and we're uh you know, it's just like it's commercial. Was this at Jack Daniels?

Fuck, I don't remember. Yeah, it's such a weird part of Kentucky too. No, I don't think it was, but it was. Because there's definitely a part of Kentucky that's like the asshole of America, just so fucking poor. I always retell the joke that, you know, we were driving through there and the electrical poles were pulled toward the road leaning into the road because they were like there's an electric pole on the right side of the road on the other

there's an electrical pole on the right side of the road and the wire from it goes to one on the left side of the road and that alternates as you go and all the poles were leaning into the road and my cousin was like god do you see that as a car don't judge them too harshly scott they they only got electricity a few years ago but then you go up to that part where the the tours are and a lot of that land is owned by these horse billionaires these guys who are into like thoroughbred horse breeding and stuff and the the property value values there are crazy just like oceanfront property but it's a goddamn pasture a huge field of hundreds of acres and you and it's a lot of oil money and a lot of Japanese billionaires who come

in there. It's Saudi Arabians and Japanese are really big into that thoroughbred horse racing, and they buy up huge swaths of land there. It's pretty outrageous. I mostly did not enjoy it. We did a couple of the real big commercial ones, and I was just like, I've had enough of these. We'll go drinking properly.

How is everybody not just totally trashed? And I don't like't like you don't get much alcohol in a tasting but i loved it i i had the opposite experience i was in um france nice i think nice is in france right and uh we did this tour we went into this like little basement and before we drank it she would give you this history and i'm not i don't know the first thing about drinking wine but uh the way that she described it would like color the way that i drank it in the same way that like a reddit headline colors the way you read the article afterwards and she just wrote this one has a like i don't know athletic aroma and you're like okay all right so now i'm going into it as an

iron jaw right right and you're just like oh i guess i'll figure out what that is this one's sweet this one's dry i still don't know what dry alcohol is like it's all wet bitter no like when you take a drink of like what have you tried i'm sure you tried red wine and like when you take a drink of red wine like you know that like astringent almost puckery like feeling like it doesn't it feels different than when you take a drink of red wine, you know that astringent, almost puckery feeling. It feels different than when you take a drink of a big milkshake or water, where you're just moist in your mouth. It's a bitter, dry feeling on your tongue. And with a sweeter wine, you don't get it.

Okay. I don't like red wine because I don't like that dry feeling. But it was really cool. And I found a couple of wines that I actually liked, and you wouldn't think I would. Are you kidding me? In France? Why would you not think a couple of wines that I actually liked, and you wouldn't think I would. Are you kidding me? In France? Why would you not think you'd find wines that you'd like? Because I don't like alcohol, right?

So I don't know. If you didn't like sugar, would you think you'd find a soda you liked? I guess I might think if it was the sugar presentation capital of the world, I might assume if it were anywhere, it would be to be there, you know? In Atlanta, Georgia, we have the world of Coca-Cola that you can go to because we invented Coca-Cola here. And you can go to the Coca-Cola factory and you go in there and they have a big vault. You go in the vault where the formula is and everything.

And at the end of the tour, you go in this room full of soda machines. But they're not like a flat square soda machine that you would put into the corner of a restaurant. It's a circle. It's like you can approach it from any direction. It's 360 degrees of soda and there are many of them in the room. Every soda is a soda you've never heard of. It's something that

Coca-Cola either prototyped and never produced or maybe they just sell that shit in Guatemala because they love pineapple down there. It's like all these weird sodas it's it's kind of an experience and at the end you see the assembly line with the bottles like sliding through and just like how it's made style what's it called fun i don't remember maybe 50 bucks for two people oh man i like that i am you get a bottle of coke i swear soda for me This must be how I don't want to compare myself to a smoker

Or a heroin addict But I hear soda And I'm just like oh my god that must be so delightful That must be weird I can just picture the whole group there As the lady's like alright we're wrapping up Who's ready to go to the candy room? And it's a bunch of seven-year-olds and Woody like,

me, me, me. I'm the biggest. I'm the biggest. He's like, sir, you have to settle down. There's no candy for all. We promise. That's so weird because for me, it's alcohol, right? I don't care at all about soda. I had no trouble. I stopped drinking soda years and years ago and I had no trouble at all with that. I was just kind of like, ah, this is shitty for me. This is an easy way to just like cut that out of my diet.

But alcohol is always the hard one for me. Like I mean, you asked what do I do for fitness. I do what I always do, which is bike riding and rock climbing. It's kind of my two things. And it's really nice in the summer for that because I get to do both of those outdoors as much as I want. I was looking at rock walls the other day. This company makes these rock walls that you can buy, and I'm sure you're aware of the many different kinds, but I wasn't.

There's so many different kinds of freestanding rock walls that you can buy and have assembled outside your house or in your house or whatever. It was fascinating, and they were too expensive to do. I was like, is this like a $5,000 thing? Because if I can get a 25-foot rock wall that, especially, I don't know the term for it, but the ones that aren't just straight up, they kind of go out. For hanging. That'd be a great workout.

Oh, I love it. I get bored with workouts. That's my biggest issue with working out as a whole is I get fucking fed up with the same old, same old, and I get to a point where it's too monotonous, I won't do it. I bet your hands are very strong. I bet they're... Oh, I train those in all sortsotonous, I won't do it. I bet your hands are very strong. I bet they're – Oh, I train those in all sorts of ways, Kyle.

I'm sure. I'm sure. They're always moving. You could probably crush an apple or something. 36,000 steps. That's my goal. I want to be able to crush an apple with my hands. Why?

So I can impress girls at parties and get their dresses sticky. I just realized with the apple... Oh, I just realized. With the apple. Oh, I get it. Yeah, I went to a dirtier place. There's an indoor climbing gym about 10 minutes away from me, Kyle. So I do a lot of that throughout the year all around. And when I can, I go outdoors. I just love both bike riding outdoors and rock climbing.

Just for me, for exercise or just ways It's not strength training Although it is there's elements of that of course in it because I'm hauling my body up vertical surfaces But it is it's just for me. It's it's mentally not boring and not tedious, which is fucking awesome for a workout What do you do? You're like wait like she waits come to us here because I know we all have had our weights fluctuate me and Woody more than Kyle when you put on like uh oh i was meaning years ago you and i have gotten oh yeah i guess you're right kyle more than us you're going by all time because you were 235 for 230 or something

yeah 225 at one point so and i'm and i'm 170 so i'm 55 pounds lighter right now so then yeah you definitely have a bigger swing than us but uh, do you notice when you're rock climbing, if you've put on like 10 pounds or something like that, do you notice like you're doing it worse or like 15 pounds or something? Like you can tell like, man, I just suck at this. I can tell when I don't do it three times a week. I always say for rock climbing, my wife and I talk about this. And I climb with her.

So what he was asking about belaying, yeah, you do need a belay partner, although there are auto blaze there. So you could go on your own. But there's a lot of climbing groups and climbing partners and boards for that kind of shit but i go with my wife and it's great because it doesn't matter our skill difference if there is a skill difference of that because there's plenty of routes for her to climb plenty of routes for me to climb but as for weight weight stuff uh i don't notice it so much on my weight but i do notice when i'm not climbing regularly like if i climb three times a week i show improvement if i should climb twice

a week i stay about the same and if i climb once a week i will slowly get worse over time if i do it that way so i notice it if i've taken a break so occasionally this gym doesn't do great with its air circulation so right now it's uh like today i think it was like 95 out with i don't know what the humidity was it's like effective it was like 110 degrees with humidity that's lame they need a box fan pulling up at you while you're on it to simulate a mountain windy precipice. Mountain updraft. I've taken times off in the summer to just not go

for a while because it's just fucking ridiculously humid in there. And I definitely feel that. If I haven't gone in a couple weeks or something, I go back on that. I'm like, this used to not be so bad. And now this is really fucking hard. As hardcore as rock climbing is, when I see those guys go ice climbing, it's just a nother crazy fucking thing like i saw these guys they like they they boat up to a um not an an iceberg right yeah a fucking iceberg a huge one like this isn't like

i don't know how to describe how big this thing is it's big enough to it's like a it's like a mini island like people can get out like like me and all of us could get on this iceberg and, like, have dinner on it and then walk over to that side. It's that big. And they're climbing up it with ice axes and these ice shoes and, like, nothing else. It was outrageous. Free climbing up this fucking thing. And if you fall, I guess, best case scenario, you hit the frigid Arctic waters from, like, 40 feet up or something like that. But it looked like you

tumble off the the side of the the ice face it looked off and then of course every now and then some shit would just come off the like ice would slither off and slide oh it looked terrifyingly sounds so fucking stressful i've refused entirely to get into ice climbing i don't actually like being outside when it's super fucking freezing cold and i don't like particularly hate being doing a really physical exertion in the real cold. I grew up in Maine. I remember running for fitness outside in the fall for soccer season or something where you're fucking running and it's freezing fucking cold.

I hate that feeling of being simultaneously too hot and too cold simultaneously. I hate the idea of physical exertion on ice. You would not have liked ice hockey. Yeah. That sounds awful to me. Did you wear a t-shirt when you played ice hockey? Under my stuff? Yeah, I would wear a t-shirt. It was too hot for me.

I would just wear the jersey and the pads. Your nipples would be so raw. You get so sweaty. When you're playing goalie, there's a lot of breaks. It's like a tense action for a minute. I was just meaning because you're playing goalie there's a lot of breaks and like so like intense action for a minute and then yeah but i was just meaning like because you're standing out there still sometimes while they're on the other end and so if you don't wear a shirt you get super sweaty and then you

just stand there and you get freezing and like if your chest like touches your your chest protector you're like oh oh it's chilly it's just easier to wear like a cool fit shirt and not worry about it but oh there's nothing worse than cold gloves at the time so like everybody says yeah um but i just feel like players like chest protector like yours is always on your chest attached to it mine like goalies they bow out a little bit so you're not always touching it because obviously it needs a little bit of give so you don't fucking break your sternum and so like touching it like that ah it's just different okay didn't care i've never worn goalie gear but you should give it a go your life have you ever considered it woody have you ever thought like you know what i'm gonna i'm gonna be the sub goalie in my men's league or is it like not even

in your mind what i have done is i've worn like a goalie, glove, and stick with the rest of my regular stuff. I didn't have the leg pads or anything, and tried it, and it was eye-opening. Because I always thought, I played a lot of defense, so I thought, well, I guess I'll be half-decent at this. I've done that thing where the goalie's out of position, so I temporarily stand in until he can get in place. But he even had some success, right? Because a defenseman is typically way better with a stick than a goalie. uh i'm like why is it that even like i played beer leagues like the a

league goalies had like c league stick handling skills i'm like what the fuck is wrong with every goalie until i tried it and it's like oh well wait a minute first of all they don't have two good gloves on one of them is a catcher's mitt and and it's really hard to stick handle with a catcher's mitt they're holding it backwards right so they don't have like they're like and suddenly i'm doing it wrong wrong and uh yeah yeah so i had whatever is less than c league skills with the stick and and that was eye-opening i couldn't move it nearly as quickly because it was heavy uh so yes i had my goalie i was worse than I thought I would be. And that's how it went down. That's always the...

Oh, go ahead, Filthy. My brother did rugby in college. And I went up to visit him one year. And I stood in. They did like after the rugby team played. It wasn't college rugby. It was like a league game there in college. Anyways, after they did that, they did kind of like a B-team style thing.

And my brother's like, oh, you should go try it out and stand in. I've never done anything like that. So I stood in for like a very short rugby game as part of that and got run the fuck over by some guy. And that was an interesting experience because I'm just like had an experience. You go into something where you're just like, I don't know what this is going to be like. I'll give it a try. And then it's like, you know, I think I sometimes encounter this with girls, right? Where it's like they're not entirely understanding understanding uh no not that not entirely understanding of what bulk and size actually

does in terms of impact right you might think you're strong or you might think positive things about yourself or think you know you can handle yourself something it's very different when you get run over by someone who's about 50 or 60 pounds fucking heavier than you a man with some some inertia running at you and running you over, like, I'm like, I got to block this guy. Like, I got to stop him, right? And some big guy running down and got in his way. Yeah, he ran through me and over me, and I felt every moment of that. It wasn't like – Physics at that point.

It's like that's a bigger object moving, and I'm still – I did that in – it was football, not rugby, but similar type thing. The guy in front of me outweighed me by at least 100 pounds i'm a very athletic guy i'm a collegiate swimmer at this point working out like four or six hours a day and i'm just like what am i supposed to do i think i should just move aside like i yeah right no you go ahead really yeah because like my only other choice is to get really clobbered. Like there's no way that I come out on top of this thing.

Like do I drop to my belly and try and grab his shoelaces? I don't know. You got to go for the knees or something. Like because there's – exactly. Because you're in that scenario and you suddenly are there in that scenario. And it's like you might be like, oh, I feel I'm pretty athletic or I'm feeling pretty fit and I've been doing my workouts and whatever the fuck it is. But the guy is like – it's just suddenly weight. It's just his mass is a lot greater than your mass and his speed has made his mass even more impactful.

And it's not like you can just set yourself and stop that. It's very interesting to me to see that. I didn't play football. So maybe another football player would be like, oh, dude, you got to take that guy out of the thighs. It's still legal. Get low. His mass mostly goes above you and you tie his legs up. I don't know.

I don't know either. I didn't have that training either. Me neither. So what would happen is he would put his two hands on me and push me in such a way that seemed dangerous. I remember when I played football, i only played till eighth grade because then i in later teens i focused solely on hockey but i remember that happening to me because they were like hey play wide receiver you know you're you can catch the ball good and i but i was you

know not that much smaller than i am now so i was very very large can i've all i'm kind of built big and so i was I was the biggest wide receiver in the league so like I would go stand like by the cornerbacks and they'd be like someone like a full helmet shorter than me and so I felt pretty confident once when I caught it and the guy was just this little weevil of a kid and I was like I got this like I could pick you up throw you to the side and I was running and i thought i was gonna be like super dope and like bowl right through him because why why would you like run for like an open path like you're a badass 13 14 year old you could do it and i ran at him and he just did exactly what he was supposed to do dove at me almost like hunched his shoulders and just

caught me right in the legs and i just flipped not fully over but just tripped right over him and fell felt like the biggest idiot as this kid like stood up and like looked me in the legs and I just flipped, not fully over, but just tripped right over him and fell. Felt like the biggest idiot as this kid stood up and looked me in the eyes as I'm sitting. I'm like, oh man, I look like a real boob in front of all these 13-year-old girls I was trying to impress. But yeah, football definitely would have helped you in that situation.

I feel like rugby would be a fun sport to try out. I would like it. It seems like you get a lot of aggression out. You could get some satisfying hits. But also get hit. My brother had some fucked up shit on his body because of that. He only played for a couple of years in college. But it wasn't a college sport.

So it wasn't like he was being pushed into this. It was all of his own doing. And he still came out of that with some serious body injuries long term so I don't know well then maybe not maybe not then so this is perfect because Filthy's here it's a PKA AMA question we have this Patreon level where people can ask questions and be on the show

have any other hosts found a nice PC friendly way to tell others that there's only two genders and that thinking you're not the one you were born is some sort of mental disorder i hold this opinion strongly and refuse to lie just to spare feelings now mind you this thing is riddled with typos so i feel like i know something about him um and he refuses to spare feelings and it's a mental disorder and the thing is and i've talked

about this on the show before i agree with him um but i'm much nicer than he is i don't refuse to spare feelings when i hear that someone like identifies as a gender they're not or they think gender is a spectrum or whatever i look at that guy in the same way of people who like feel like they shouldn't have an arm they want to have an uh they want to be an amputee like that this just doesn't seem like it should be part of me please take my hand off um i'm not mad i don't feel like it should be that hard to say it politely like just like obviously like you're i don't know if by pc he just means like being polite because like the pc thing to say is you know oh yeah everybody you make your own reality or

whatever but like i feel like if you if he believes that that strongly he could just say if it comes up which honestly like in in conversations it usually doesn't come up but if it does just kind of like yeah that's i don't really buy into that i think i think you're either a male man or a woman and it seems like that just kind of calm approach like you don't have to be a dick to anyone like who wouldn't accept that and be like oh yeah okay i kind of i wouldn't mind responding but i'd like to hear what what he was going to say i just where i was headed with that is i i feel some sympathy for people who maybe either don't like the gender that they got um or for people who's in my opinion just the head isn't quite on straight to get that there's a gender

There's two genders I'm not mad and I just like a lot of the people on my team with this right because they want to be jerks about it They think that you're less or some snowflake or they hate you because you voted Democrat or whatever Really? I just see a person Who's not happy with where they are in the same way that someone who wished they had an amputee or whatever. You feel bad for them.

Yeah, I don't want you to be unhappy. I don't want you to wish you were a guy or a girl. It sucks. Get some help. Work through this. I wish you the best. I don't think you have to be a complete dick and be like you're living in a fantasy land you rube like you could just be like

yeah i think there's two genders because that's kind of what you know there's two sexes and and that's just what i believe like that you can do that without being a dick honestly like if they get if they get offended at that if you tell someone, I think that you're either a male or a female and someone gets offended by it, that's not someone you should have a conversation with. Why do you need to tell that to them? No, I'm saying that's what I said is that there's no, like this doesn't

come up. That's why I said if it does come up and you're in this conversation, then you can present it in a way that's reasonable and not being a dick without going off and calling someone, you know, without being cruel basically. Like you can present it in a way that's reasonable and not being a dick without going off and calling someone, you know, without without being cruel, basically. Like you can get your point across pretty civilly. And then if they go, that's ridiculous. You believe there's just males and females. You go, OK, well, I guess we're not really having a productive conversation. You like being like that. Yeah, not you as a person in this. Yeah.

But so just real quick before Filthy goes, because I'm dying to find out what he says. Real quick before Filthy goes, because I'm dying to find out what he says. I do believe sexuality can be a spectrum. I do believe that people can be... Like I said at the very beginning of the show, right? Oh, this guy's 10% gay. This guy's 25% gay. They used to bump me up until I was more than 100% gay. You are high on that spectrum now.

I like a girl with a small cock what can i say a clip the size of my own dick um but you know it's like i buy that spectrum thing but the gender thing is really pretty binary filthy do you see it differently you've got some academic background here i mean i have some background now not only in psychology but I also have some background working with essentially, I don't even know what you want to call it, alternate sexualities, different ways of life. You know, we're looking at sadomasochism as something I've done a lot of research in. You see sadomasochism tends to be, and BDSM tends to be an umbrella term that encompasses a lot of different people coming

at this from a lot of different perspectives with a lot of different things to try to get out of it and i think too i mean if i look at the question here i think i have it open you know asking about that i don't think there needs to be a nice friendly way to tell anyone anything about this i honestly don't think it's much of his business to answer that question so if he has a personal belief that this isn't anything to that isn't something he believes in here them having that belief doesn't harm him. And him playing with that belief to this degree on this particular issue, although I hear you about gender, gender politics in general that I'm not super sold on either. But this one in particular, he doesn't need to protect something from that. He isn't lessened by that.

He isn't threatened by that. And he doesn't need to push his opinion on that person for that either. doesn't need to push his opinion on that person for that either sometimes the people who who hold his opinion though are generalized and lumped together and referred to as as racist or or phobic of this or that when when when it's really just his scientific opinion about gender or and and and the way that people interact together and he and he holds no you know that he doesn't feel bad about this it's just no malice he, he doesn't feel bad about this. He just feels this way and I feel like everyone who feels that way gets lumped together like they're all racist.

But I'm not sure that feeling some way makes that particularly valid. I suspect. But then the thing is if the person you're saying it to, why are their feelings valid if the person making the points feelings aren't valid? It shouldn't be about feelings at all. Like if the discussion has arisenisen i agree if you see someone who was clearly a male

dressed as a woman in the grocery store you should not go accost someone and be like you're living a lie like everyone look like obviously you don't want to do that but if like i when i read this i kind of get the feeling that he's talking about already being in a conversation about it and so in that way the only advice is just, you know, present. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. And that applies to this too. If you convince them with like a good argument and just a reasoned kind of case, then you're going to win them over.

You don't want to be Vic Vinegar. Am I wrong that sometimes it feels a lot like talking to a fat person who keeps talking to you about like a conspiracy to make them fat and uh and starts giving all kinds of excuses for why they're fat in the same regard you don't point out a fatty in the grocery store go look everyone look at his poor life decisions but if that person starts trying to be like look all i ate was an apple today man all i was an apple a candied apple what the fuck no a dozen maybe like it seems like some people have i don't know they're lying to themselves they're self-deluding i don't know

i've seen a lot of people be very very comfortable with their life decisions and have some very for me very very strange and different life decisions things that i would never have said that this is this is something that i would want for myself and more importantly would never even said was an opinion or an option until I've seen it. Sure. And I guess from my perspective is, you know, I hear you, because there's a type of person

who wishes to push whatever their current thing is on you, and that I absolutely, I push back against that as well. I don't want it shoved down my throat that you're XYZ and you're the third most unique snowflake on the planet of, you know... Let me give you an example of it being forced

upon someone, right? Let's say the military, you know, let's say that you're a born female in the military, you have a vagina, and there's another female in the showers with a penis. Like, you might not like that, right? And would you have a reason to not like that?

If you're in the military and there are people in the shower with you with penises, like, not care for that i mean and that's even even that like even that i'm kind of like again maybe it's the norms like what you know what i've part of the research i've done for this part of the world that i've been exposed to like nudity isn't particularly scary to me these days like in the sense of if i see a if i see a vagina or a penis in the shower it's i don't really give a fuck it's a vagina or people are in the shower, I don't really give a fuck it's a vagina or a penis, get over it but why is it appropriate then to say oh, some people don't mind it

therefore all these women have to shower with biological males because I guess I look at harm and that's the kind of judgment that I want to look at so if I look at the harm that is done to this person by this person who's writing your question who's asked, well what do I do when I'm confronted with this person who thinks they're a different gender?

It doesn't matter if there is or isn't another gender. And it doesn't matter what that person believes versus what the person they're talking with is. What harm is being done to them by that? I think people would argue that it matters when it kind of creeps into legislation. that it matters when it kind of creeps into legislation. So a lot of women in the military, I guarantee, are not comfortable getting naked and showering with their male counterparts or with a trans person with a penis. And then why is it that that person who wants to shower with women, their feelings matter more than all the women who are like, I'm not really cool with this. This makes me very uncomfortable. I don't think that a woman saying that

is necessarily being out of line at all. I think the person who is essentially thinking they are a male who in a female's body or vice versa is suffering pretty traumatic harm throughout that, up to that point in that sense of... But why does his pain matter more than mine? Like, we're all equals here. Because the one is the pain of essentially

being outside of your control of this, this feeling one way and being the other. And the other is the sense of what is the social taboo of nudity. And I don't think they have the same value in terms of their... Well that's only if you accept that one of them is a case of that. Like what if that woman believes that it's simply a case of there's a man with a mental illness and the military says I have to shower with him. If that's her belief, then that's her belief. And it's no more or less valid than anyone else's.

I don't think it's a mental illness. You don't think it is. I mean, you can point to that terminology because I'm not an expert and I hedge because this is not a field I'm an expert in and I don't wish to be wrong on this. But to the best of my knowledge, perhaps you can correct me, I don't think that is considered a mental illness. It was a mental illness on the DSM-IV under gender dysmorphia, I believe,

and then some say for political reasons that it was removed. No, this is the same story. In the DSM-IV, it was in there as gender dysphoria, gender dysmorphia, and then the DSsm5 is when they removed it and a lot of people argue that it was politically removed because you still see very high rates of comorbidity with trans people and you know obviously suicide is is a huge problem in that group of people and i don't know i just i i'm on kyle's team with the the military women showering like it doesn't seem fair to say this person's feelings supersede the feelings of other people.

We have to put them on this special treatment pedestal and all these women, you know, many of whom, whether or not it is correct, whether or not it's true that they have a mental illness. If they believe like a lot of these women maybe do that, that's a mentally ill person that they're being forced to shower with. Then that's very disheartening. And that's kind of an intimidating scary thing like it's funny because i'm like almost on the same page in the sense of to me that i don't really feel that you know i also struggle with the idea of oh you've decided to make this word arbitrarily off limit but fuck you i'm going to use that word anyways you don't get to arbitrarily decide what words i get to use like i hear you like. I hear you on that element. There was a part of me that really pushes back against...

What gender are you talking about? What words specifically? I remember in high school there was a... Gender, I thought. Go on. So I remember there was a girl who had a retarded, or whatever the term was. I don't remember if she was even rebelling against the term. I can't remember if she was rebelling against the term

or fighting against the fact that I was't remember if she was rebelling against the term or rebelling against the fact, or fighting against the fact that I was using a derogative term for something. I was, like, calling, like, a friend retarded or something. Like, totally innocuous, like, whatever. And there was a part of me that very much struggled with the idea that my language gets to be limited because there's something in her life that makes that

language sensitive. She's retarding your language. Sure, right? So, yeah, but there's an element of that, like it's pushes with these, that type of identity politics of, you know, this is what the term that that is. If I demand that you call me, you know, gender snowflake for the rest of my fucking life, and I am not okay unless you do that, is it reasonable for me to demand that from you? And I also come down on the side of no. But what I tend to look for is, okay, what is reasonable and what makes that reasonable? And part of what I look at then for me personally is what's causing harm versus discomfort, for example.

So, yeah, it is discomfort. Like it's discomfort for me like going into this field of psychology and then doing this research with this community, this SM community. I saw a lot of fucking bizarre body types out there. this SM community, I saw a lot of fucking bizarre body types out there. A lot of people who are in between transitions for genders or who are perhaps of a body type that I find particularly not attractive or just a lot of pain stuff or disfigure. There's a lot of fucking shit going on in that community. And it was uncomfortable.

Have you ever seen anyone who was castrated? I know that there's a whole fetish around men who fantasize about being castrated by a woman. And I was wondering if you've ever actually seen it in real life. No, I've not seen a castration in real life. But have you seen the fetish? How is that even a fetish? Or people who fantasized about it? Have I seen it as a fetish?

Yeah. I don't know anyone. I don't know anything of that fetish. So no, I haven't seen anything with it. That's like a self-correcting fetish. Because you would only get like one and done right like and then and then you're you've removed yourself from the gene pool but again like like i mean maybe that is a you know if you look at like gender identity that's not a sexual thing in the terms of you know it's

not like a sexual getting off of oh i'm gonna be a woman or oh i'm gonna be a man it's literally the the dis it's like a dissatisfaction or or discomfort of not having the matching of how you feel you are and what your physical body is. I think it's something that those people probably really enjoy fantasizing about and going right up to the edge of that precipice. Like with rape play or something like that. Because I don't think anybody really wants you to cast it. Well, there might be, but it doesn't even matter. People like amputations too. That's true.

Oh, of course. I mean, I love that porno where the lady comes hopping in on one leg. And you're like, where's this going? And the next thing you know, she's up to what's left of her leg to the knee in the guy's ass. I know. I know it's not. That's where I took it, though. Okay.

But yeah, to me, castration is just like losing a hand or a foot or what have you. Some people have that burning desire to get rid of a foot. Oh, no, that's different. And you'd have to agree that on the level of damaging, fantasizing about castration is way more than if you're like, oh, I like watching two girls kissing. That's way lower on the list of potential harming yourself. But you say that, and we make a joke, and I hear the humor in it. But at the same time, you go, well, look at the religious element of that, for example. Look at that as a sin perspective. And you go, okay, look at the religious element of that, for example. Look at that as a sin perspective.

And you go, okay, well, homosexuality is this sin. Is self-damage a sin? I'm not saying that it's a sin. I'm saying the potential for self-harm is much higher for that fetish than the vanilla. I thought you were pointing at, like, look at how out there one of these things is. And I'm telling you that it's based on the filter you're using. The filter that's normal to want to keep your genitals is my filter. Sure. That is your filter and your perspective. But there are people out there with different

perspectives and different filters coming into this. And again, I struggle with this a lot because there is that element of me too. I'm not a particularly politically correct guy. I don't particularly like that. But I have a lot of background now with people who are different than I am and vastly different than I am. So, you know, to the question of this guy's stuff, I would really have him consider what is the harm he's experienced from doing this versus the harm that he's potentially doing to someone else? And to evaluate, is this a time where he really needs to step back and really push back against this? Or can he just go, I don't understand this, this is bizarre and strange to me, and potentially a little unsettling, and leave it be

or figure out more about it before he really engages on that? Because I think he can potentially do a lot of harm without gaining a lot of benefit, and he isn't going to suffer much harm from accepting that. I think, I don't know, like, saying words are harm seems almost like a slippery slope to take. Like, oh,

this person isn't just saying that they disagree with the lifestyle of someone else or that they hold questions about the nature of it and the reality of it. They're saying that's harming them now. Like, do you kind of see how that's a little troubling? Yeah, you can see damages for this harm. Sure. No, I absolutely do. But again, there is a there's, especially with this particular one, there's a degree of semantics to that, like, how much are we protecting versus because we can versus because we need to here. So yes, there is an element of, okay, this person says the word

the harms me. What do I do in that scenario? Do I just avoid the word the? Like, that's unreasonable. It's a totally unreasonable thing to do. But it's another thing if that person says, I feel, I feel, and again, I don't know even how you begin to legislate this i am forever glad that i am not in any way involved with that the political process of legislating this because it's such a fucking slippery slope with so many individual things going into this you want you look like you want to say something i just came i just came this realization and i think this is where I'm going to stay on the issue of this whole thing.

If someone asks me to call them a silly nickname, like, I'm Danger Bob, just keep that in mind. I'm like, no, you're fucking not. You're Bob. Until you do some dangerous shit in front of me or I get some corroboration to your dangerous nature, you're just Bob. So in the same way, if I see a man, that's a man.

If I see a woman, it's a woman. And they can't give themselves a Nick gender. No Nick genders, no Nick names. I get to decide where I'm going to go along with it. There was a long time ago when a man named Matt came to me and he said, no, no, no, I'm Woody. And I'm like, you're absolutely goddamn right you are. I can tell. I'm like you're absolutely god damn right you are I can tell I can tell

like what you're talking about the legislating thing in Canada right now it's getting freaky because it's like there are people who have been prosecuted because they refuse to use like the the made-up gender name of like I want to be called you know my my pronouns are fee-fi-fo-and-fum you have to call me you know I'm a giant I hear you I, my pronouns are fee-fi-fo-and-fum. You have to call me, you know, I'm a giant pin. I hear you. I'm very resistant to that too. I'm very against that because, again, it feels like the other step. This is no longer about someone being harmed by this. This is someone who's just being fucking a power trip about you call me this shit for whatever it is.

I also fight back against that as well. But there is that element. Oh, I'm sorry. Continue. Again, this is why I don't want to make an absolute rule of let's legislate this one way or the other because I couldn't do one that would do it judgment. But for me, it is very much a personal thing in terms of when I encounter something like this, it's like, all right, what does it cost me to do this? And if it isn't that high of a cost and it seems important to them, I'm probably willing to make that sacrifice for that most times. I do think the one you did was too far. I'm probably willing to make that sacrifice for that most times. I do think the one you did was too far.

In particular, the thing I've got in my head was that this is a guy, biological guy, showering with women. These women might be on their period, and they might find that embarrassing. And now they're doing that in front of guys who don't relate. Everyone knows guys find this particularly icky oftentimes. But it's not a guy, right? This is a person who literally identifies as a woman. woman right but she probably sees him as a guy because literally they are a male yeah yeah and she's gonna see him that way she's gonna see herself taking a shower and rinsing off and all that stuff in front of a dude and it's like you know

i don't think you get to have that with her you know in this military shower situation we talked about and and also we just talking a second ago about people who demand a pronoun and such some people use being offended as a position of power right i'm offended and i i'm putting the like i'm beating you over the head with the fact that i want you to make these concessions to me and that's one of the ones i push back against really hard because that also pisses me off yeah and you know i could call them cry bullies and you know i i don't like it i don't like it at all so i uh it i feel like though it's difficult to push back without being a dick about it i wish i could just say no no you're unreasonable not you know oh my gosh you're such a snowflake or whatever it is that that puts people in different

camps which maybe ties into what this guy was asking about. I think you're right. Yeah, there are plenty of ways to question it and be trying to find out more about the situation and the reality of all the trans stuff without being a dick about it. But you are also right that the argument is so often framed that if you don't just take everything that's proposed to you with no critical thought whatsoever,

then you're being not just a critical thinker, you're being hateful by not taking our party line from someone who is just claiming that they speak on behalf of all trans people. They didn't have a meeting. There was no agreed thing here. It's just some asshole trying to kind of- That doesn't even matter. That makes no difference on the validity of that because on some level you go, even if they all had them, if everyone in a group had a meeting, and you could define that group as whoever you wanted this could be a trans group or this could be any fucking group at all if you have two people together they go oh i'm we're the

group of the again let's use snowflakes and we would demand to be recalled snowflakes it doesn't matter that there's consensus in that group of what they wish to be called that's not in of itself for them it is if you're saying i represent. But even that doesn't matter because the debate you're having is do I recognize their ability to make me use these terminology? And what does it matter if it's a consensus or not? If it really is the objective, I evaluate this and I find this lacking in reasons to do this, why do you care if it's a consensus of individuals telling you that or non-consensus of individuals telling you that? I mean, I don't really care about the consensus of it as much. It's more to what you were saying than we agree on this point that the legislating of it and forcing someone to use a word. So like in Canada, if someone who is born a man is biologically male says I'm female, I'm transgender, you have to call me she and her. And if someone says, no,

I'm not going to do that because I don't believe that's reality and you shouldn't be able to force me to speak in your frame of reality. You shouldn't be able to force me to speak in your frame of reality. You shouldn't be able to legislate that and punish me if I don't conform to it. That shouldn't be allowed. You shouldn't be able to punish people for not using words that you want to impose on them. It seems like a really slippery, dangerous area to be playing about in. Yeah, but I think I'm agreeing with you on that. No, I know. I was saying- Why do you choose to put one of the things that would make you be more

willing to do that as if it was from a consensus like it doesn't matter if it's a consensus maybe i explained that poorly my point was that the people who are like that was it was kind of adding a point that i think some of these people might be kind of nefarious like the people who aren't doing it to be nice the people at the head of movements taking advantage of a situation to push, you know, an agenda or something. Those people are claiming to represent, you know, all trans people or whatever, and even when they don't. And I was just saying that it's pretty shitty of them to be trying to push legislature claiming to represent this group of people when they really aren't at all. Like it's... but yeah, we agree on the legislating speech part.

I think we're all on the same page with that. Although I think we come down a little bit differently on what's the reaction of that to be, but I'm totally happy to move on with that. OJ Simpson. OJ's free! The juice is loose! He's out! I don't know if he's on the streets yet, but it's coming.

It's coming. They granted that motherfucker parole and he looked so happy and it was I don't know if he's on the streets yet, but it's coming. It's coming. They granted that motherfucker parole, and he looks so happy, and it was visceral. You could feel the relief in that man. And there was this tension. There was this Game of Thrones-type moment where they went from parole board member to parole board member. The first guy's like, I'm going to grant parole. Second guy, me too.

And then this lady's there, and she's like, well, I'm going to reserve my decision for a moment, but let me make a few remarks first. And I'm like, oh, shit. This white woman might not be too – she's just like, you've done this and you've done that, but just know we don't look kindly upon parole violence. And I was like, all right, they're letting him out. They're letting him out. And then when she finally said, and I vote to grant parole, he's just like, oh, thank you. Thank you. And there was this moment as they're taking him out of the courtroom where he looks at someone behind the camera, and he's like, I'll call you. And he's thinking to himself, like, I'll be able to call you. I'll have a goddamn phone and shit.

Oh, I'm going to get some bitches. I heard about Tinder. So catch me up on, like, the actual, what was this for? Because this had nothing to do with the murders in the 90s. Ten years ago, I think this stemmed from the aftermath of his civil trial in which he was found liable for the deaths, and they took a lot of his trophies and memorabilia away from him and auctioned it off.

Well, I think this stems from that. There was a man who had some of his memorabilia, some of his trophies and memorabilia away from him and auctioned it off. Well, I think this stems from that. There was a man who had some of his memorabilia, some of his trophies or something like that. And it's a little convoluted. And it seemed like O.J. was being set up because there was an audio recorder rolling the whole time. But basically, O.J. and a couple other guys go up to this guy's hotel room where the stolen goods are. And he's like, nobody's leaving. And that's kidnapping. That's kidnapping.

When you say, nobody's leaving this room, I'm OJ Simpson, I'm here to take care of some business, now you have kidnapped them under the law, and that's what they got him for. The people he was with had guns. Yeah, there was this whole, so there was a conspiracy, and it seemed like OJ's being set up. It really does, but nobody really cared because he killed those people back in the 90s, so they sent him to fucking prison on some crazy long thing.

What year was this, when he was put away? He's been in jail for nine years. Yeah. One of the parole people, I thought this was interesting, they cited his lack of prior convictions when they decided to grant parole yeah and in my head i'm like well i guess that is how the law works if you're found innocent of those murders even though we all know he's not innocent right his alibi was he was out golfing in his front yard what the fuck? He's guilty of those murders. Everybody knows it.

But he got granted parole because this is the first thing he's ever done. You know, trying to get his memorabilia back and nine years was enough. Yeah, I felt like it was enough, especially for this thing. And look, I know he killed those people and I looked at it in depth. I watched both the ESPN thing and the dramatization with all those great actors,

and I lived through it. I can totally remember sitting there and watching the O.J. Simpson trial with my grandmother or my mother because they both watched it. Everybody watched it. It was primetime TV in the daytime. It was crazy. He's a murderer, but, God, there was a part of me that when they gave him parole, I was like, I felt good for him. I felt good for him because he was getting,

because something so big and good was being given to someone. It didn't matter who he was or the other stuff. I was just watching a man being given something that he wanted so badly. And that felt good just to watch that happen, regardless of anything else. When they gave him parole, you could tell, like, oh, this was better than the Heisman. This was better than breaking the rushing record. This was better than killing Ron Goldman. He loved it. I don't know how I feel about it,

because I really do think he's a murderer, but I also think he's 70. And there's something, it's like, I don't know i i just have a little more tolerance i guess a little more kindness for someone who's going to die in whatever five six years well i can't help but contrast it to the last conversation just a little bit right like and i'll put this out there for deliberately for hyperbole and then we'll i'll just back away from it after that right which is the the effort of giving someone the identity they've asked for compared to the granting a a convicted not convicted a murder that we all know did it a parole like that contrast is fucking with me a

little bit right now yeah well i mean i guarantee if i tell that if i tell that guy in the muumuu like you're you're a beautiful woman he's not gonna have the same look on his face as oj simpson did when they said you're free to go fuck white women again he was he was so happy do you think that he's gonna commit another crime or anything no fucking straight and narrow he i guarantee oj never he's got away with one big one and he's just walked out of finishing a second one really never again never again drink well barely drink if his blood alcohol level is over 0.8 there's not a driving thing it just if he exists yeah did i say it wrong yeah 0.8 you'd be long down oh did i say 0.8 my mistake

if his blood alcohol level is over 0.08 uh and he's not driving just he exists that way then he goes back to jail how does he how do they oh do they have like a bracelet on like uh i didn't read about that i just read that he's not allowed to be drunk probably that bracelet doesn't read something like that but probably it's spot check style stuff how long is that on for what's this parole length for does anyone know i i didn't hear terms i don't think they've agreed to terms, maybe. Maybe that's something that comes next. I don't know much about this stuff.

I don't know either. But I guarantee he don't even care. They're like, OJ, they're going to let you out, but you have to transition to a woman. Sold! Sold! Yeah, right? OJ! I think he'd just be like, you can't drink anymore.

Well, isn't weed legal a bunch of places now? Yeah. All right, well, I'm going to move there. You know, I'm good. That's actually, I got confused at that part of it. I think they don't want him to live in Florida. Is that the deal? I think he said something like, I know you guys don't want me here.

One state's like, you killed someone here, go to a different state. All right. You're in Nebraska want me here. One state's like, you killed someone here? Go to a different state. All right. You killed in California, right? Anyway, so he's... If I read it right, they don't want him in Florida. So he's like, I'll go to Vegas. You guys good with Vegas?

And they're like, yeah, we'll make the necessary arrangements. Sweet. All right. That's where they got the legal weed. He's good then. Do they have legal weed in Vegas? Sure do. Just got it.

They're out. They sold out in like two weeks. They're out of weed. I'm surprised they were so late. The whole state. Arizona. We said Vegas, but Arizona has legal recreational marijuana now. But not Nevada.

Not Arizona did. I'm sorry I said Arizona. I meant Nevada. Nevada. Okay. They snuck it by in the McCain situation. Yeah, yeah.

He's on the fritz. I'm like, I'm visiting Arizona in about a week. You just almost, you got way up and way down real quick. Oh my god. Maybe they've got a cool winery. You know, I can tell.

If you go to Arizona, the most beautiful part of Arizona is Sedona, Arizona. And they have a real-life cowboy on the street with a real fucking gun and everything. And a real-life Indian, like in full headdress and everything, who cries every day for real. But not for the cameras. He's just real ashamed of what he has to do for a living. Are you sure it's not just like uh i don't know entrepreneurial mexican you know i'm trying to make some extra money you know here legally but they don't ask questions when you put on the address like nah this guy like like i guarantee

he cries every night because like his people lived in that valley like many sons ago or whatever and ruled it. The authentic cowboy was the coolest part, because I was like, hey man, is that a real gun? He's like, yeah. It's a real gun. I got my carry permit and everything. I was like, alright, you're the best reenactor I've ever

seen. You're armed. He had the belt with the bullets in it and everything. Although the funniest cowboy story, or kind of of a story ever was when Chiz came to Georgia. We were in Tennessee at the time, but we were doing the whitewater rafting thing and all. And Chiz and I go to a Walmart together, and as we're walking out, in walks a cowboy. And I swear to God, big cowboy hat, cowboy shirt, wearing a duster he's got a six shooter on his on it in a gun belt with the bullets in the gun belt and he's got tight blue jeans on that that the knees

are like worn white and he's got cowboy boots on and and i'm just like fucker's gonna be dealing with a judge that doesn't know the law by tomorrow it's just what was that and i'm just like oh yeah shock do those all the time here that's just one of the clanton gang they just robbed a bank on second main i think you could have gone a long ways with that i think if i've been in that situation i would have bought half of what you were fucking saying there too because you're just like what that's right over there like just ridiculous i see those people and and like i'm talking about open carry people now and i'm just like oh man why why you got it all out in the open in here i don't mind or anything but you're gonna scare somebody like i was in

walmart with a guy the other day with his fucking glock on and uh he didn't have a cop haircut it's okay to open carry all you gotta do is wear a uh wear blue jeans with a belt wide belt tuck your polo in have a crew cut nobody'll fuck i think you're a cop i think you're off duty but if you don't wear the uniform and by uniform i mean like something that looks like pretend yeah if you don't go whole hog with this pretending people are gonna catch on you know kyle like found out you found a workaround of like impersonating a police officer i can just picture you walking around like cabela's like dressed as a fake cop being like oh it's a great one you know me and the boys actually were trying that one out this past week

oh yeah yeah we get together a lot where oh yeah thank you for your service. Oh, don't even worry about it. You know? Honestly, I'm in it for the laughs. You know? Thank you, sir. That's my part. No, I'm just saying that if that's not already you, if you're a 24-year-old kid with, like, long, breezy hair and, like, a shirt with the sleeves cut off, and you're in there with a handgun we're

going to look at you a little differently than woody dressed the way i just suggested i would think woody is like some sort of a state officer or an off-duty police officer or someone who is supposed to have that gun whereas you see the other mustache mustache that would help yeah that's all you really need a little underweight to be a cop these days. The bigger your mustache, the bigger the gun you can have. Do you guys want to, like, this week, just try impersonating cops and see how it goes? Come back next week and just...

As a guest, so I'm not going to be here next week, I really advocate that. I think that would be wonderful. What could go wrong? Sometimes judges don't know the law. But I do. I'm Rick Cage, wrong sometimes judges don't know the law but i do you know i'm rick cage the fucking you know beat cop that's who i am had that cop on or not cop the uh the uh the car expert guy the car youtuber guy wherever he had him on we were talking about um that other guy that we both knew

that guy in one of his cannonball run races did the thing I joked with him about. He put police lights on his car and pulled over a competitor who was also trying to make this cross-country run. That's why I was joking with the guest. I was like, you'd never impersonate a police officer and throw off an

opponent, would you? He's like, no! Not me! I got a little uncomfortable. that's because our fucking friend did that i his friend yeah i know yeah that was outrageous yeah that's uh that's a that's a high risk low reward scenario you know best case i don't know that story seems pretty valuable i've been that story's gonna get a lot of reuse i've been daydreaming about having an rv or a camper or something like that because i'd really like to take my paramotoring or paragliding on the road go visit other people there's like a community around america and stuff so i'm shopping and i find ambulances converted to rvs on craigslist

and the inside of them is like you know sleeping area lots of storage there's a ton of storage in an ambulance and uh you know i'm just like man there's like a spot for a bed there put your paramotor there drive around never stuck in traffic like they still got the lights and everything they look like ambulances on the outside what's to stop you from putting on like a blue polo flash on those lights and get around every traffic stop the police police. Would they know? Yeah, sooner or later they'd know. You would have the wrong tags on.

What's that North Carolina ambulance doing tearing through Austin, Texas? I'm going to find out. Oh, he's going to jail. That's what he's doing. You're asking the wrong question. I know the way. Would you be able to do that? Yes, you would.

It's a matter of how long would you be able to do that for. I have a friend who did this. Not exactly but um for a living he tested asphalt so the the company he was worked for laid roads and then i guess they're like you can test asphalt to see whether it's good stuff or bad stuff and that's what he did anyway every time he was stuck in traffic he would just slap the magnets on the side of the doors turn on the yellow lights and go around it and like for a decade he did this is never a problem he would just slap the magnets on the side of the doors, turn on the yellow lights, and go around it. For a decade, he did this. It was never a problem. He would just flash on

those lights, and they'd think he was part of whatever caused the... I would rat him out so fast. If I knew someone doing that, I would rat them out so fast. How many times do fuckers come up to you? You're in two lanes. It's like merge. You're merged. Some guy shoots up the end and cuts someone off at the end.

Yeah, I could see. I would rat that person off too. I was in a traffic jam the other day. It took me an hour to go seven miles. And there was this cunt trying to go around in the fucking shoulder. He was going to pass everybody. But I knew what was coming because there's a cop sitting three cars behind me. So I just sat there and fucking watched it go down

with this cunt and then the cops and fucking pulls him over before he can even get past me so I get to watch from like three feet away while this guy gets told off for being a tool and written a ticket where you going so fast was your time more important

than all of us and I'm just like was it that is immensely satisfying on so many levels because so often it goes the opposite like i mean i i wrote the other day like we were i was in this i was in traffic i was going to a doctor's appointment i'm driving down we're fucking you know it's back-to-back traffic we're screwed on that and uh you know there's a lane off to a right but it's supposed to merge left in this track and it's construction right the guys The couple guys shoot pass on that and they just force the merge and people let them in I'm getting pissed off over here

And there's a couple more coming so I pull into that lane. I just fucking stop in that lane I've seen I've seen semis do this they do it I've seen two semis do it where they do it parallel to each other and they both are blocking the lane It's amazing and like and I've left space for people doing this cuz I'm just like all right You're doing you're blocking that i'll leave you your spot you can get back in we'll shut this shit down and then two people came up the one guy stops behind the other guy just jukes over into the spot i vacated to block him and takes my spot i'm like fuck here i am try to stop the bullshit it is bullshit when that there's nothing worse than losing a traffic I guess

standoff where something like that happens because you only get one chance once they've snuck into that stop and go traffic it's like well now I get to look at this asshole's fucking rear view window dangling trees the whole time as a reminder of my failure and impotence

like dog balls on the back of the fucking truck that's just pulled in front of me. Man, you've got to be so careful with that stuff because road rage is a thing. And people will become the most unreasonable versions of themselves so quickly out on the American roadways. And most of us are armed. And it's just – Most of us are armed. When I get frustrated driving, I take a deep breath and I'm like, man, I bet he's in a hurry.

You remember what it's like to be in a hurry. Just imagine he's got a piss. Imagine he's already pissed himself a little. What the fuck, man? The people who shoot up the side are not in a hurry. I try to give him the benefit of the doubt like that because I've gotten mad in traffic before with someone trying to pass me, and I'll be like, fucking pass this. I got 440 horsepower, asshole. The next thing I know, we're going 100 miles an an hour and i'm not even on the road anymore it's it it's it's it's not good so it's best to just you know what i like who's frappa

that's the place you allow the the because that is essentially someone transgressing on a shared resource it's a shared resource of the road. You all are essentially equally valuable on the road. And here's someone who said they're more valuable than you. And they've directly done it and attacked your time. I think I'm going to come off as the asshole in this. But here's my thought. If I'm on the on-ramp, right, and there's, say, barely moving traffic in the main road,

I always thought I get to stay on the on-ramp until i have to merge that third lane is available for people just getting here i didn't give that at least enough of a gray area that i would be like if someone did that i'd be like all right you're abusing the system but i understand it's a totally different thing when it's like marked merging everyone else's merge there's just one fucker shooting up the side where it's totally empty spot that is supposed to have merged already goes to the front of the line and merges that guy's a look in the modern he is and we all know it but in the modern world i feel like you got to eat a little shit every now and then i was at mcdonald's the other night and someone else's car

and i could hear the three young men behind me who were drunk making making fun of my car out loud. Look at that pussy car. Now, what are my options here? I could go back there and kill them all. I could go back there and I could mace them all. Yeah, right? These are the options. Now, what happens if I go back there and try to be the big man?

Be like, it's not a pussy car. I'll have you know I have other cars that are very manly, and I am manly because of them and I will beat you all up if I need to. Now what happens if they all get out and they want to fight? What if I get in a life and death situation now? What if this leads to them on top of me and I gotta

stab somebody or shoot somebody or something awful? No. You eat the shit and keep going home with your McDonald's is what you do. Because they're fucking idiots and you're the smart one who can look two steps ahead. They're back there making fun of people in traffic. They want to shower with you, Kyle.

See, then that's being forced one step too far. The last time Filthy was here, this came up and I wasn't understood. But I always thought having a gun made it easier to eat shit. Right? Like, you knew in your head you could have gone back there and murdered all three of them. Right?

It makes it that much easier to be like, I've just chosen to let this not happen. It's kind of like ego defense there. It's on some level you're like, I could have. Do you remember we talked about it, the tiger smile? And I felt like I never fully got understood. But that's the notion. It's like, all right, all right.

You know, I'm eating a little shit here, but I've done it voluntarily. I'm eating a little shit here, but I've done it voluntarily. I understand. Once you give them a good old tiger smile, they're so afraid, you just give them a... Yeah. I only... I don't cosign on the tiger smile thing so much, but

the point I'm trying to make is they go, hey, pussy! And I just go... What's that that i do understand i do understand what you mean by the tiger smile that's just not something it's not a mindset that i try to have i try to make sure that i don't have i have the opposite mindset of that because the reason i have that gun is to protect myself from a madman not an idiot teenager at mcdonald's the reason i have that gun is to protect someone else from a madman or to defend myself from a carjacking or something like that, an actual threat that can't be reasoned with.

And, like, the best way to reason with dummies at McDonald's is to ignore them. They're just, like, dummies in the rest of your life, you know? Like, we were talking about pepper spray the other day, and I kind of used that as an example. I was like, and I carry this right here in case I got to spray somebody at mcdonald's i was like i'm not getting in a fist fight at mcdonald's and that's exactly what i was thinking of because like i'm gonna maced all three of those guys that's an option that that i don't even think i got any trouble could have walked right back there and hit all three of them a little oc red got back in my car and went home with my uh my french fries that'd be satisfying it will put the cameras there see's the thing, though. You just gotta think another...

Now it's been recorded, and it looks like I'm the aggressor attacking children with my chemical agent. Don't they know they hurt my feelings first? There you go. The camera didn't pick that up. Yeah. You eat the spoonful of shit, and you just go home

knowing that there were some dummies at McDonald's. Do you want to watch this video? Taylor's not here. The timing might be right. What do you have? What kind of video? Cornerman jumps in. UFC fight type thing.

Oh, I like that. Yeah, it's a bad referee. I don't know. We'll see if it kicks off any conversation. Are you guys ready? I am. Ready, set, play. That's loud. Wait, girls, play. That's loud.

Wait, girls? Yep. I want to say this girl wearing black. Yeah, yeah. This girl wearing black has a guillotine from the bottom or from half guard. Look at her. That woman on the bottom is out.

The choke is still on. And she's out. Look it. Now there's like a Why is the ref not calling this? Now there's like a fencing response. That hand thing. That is not a conscious thing. No, it's not. Oh, it's not with the hand like that? No. It's like a palsy.

She's out. Her brain's not firing. The corner man threw the towel. The corner man jumped over the side, came into the fight, and broke it up while the ref was still watching. The guy should be fucking disbarred, whatever you call it. Fired. The ref, yeah, the quarterman did fine there. I thought it was going to be some conflict between...

The only person wrong is the ref. The fighter holding the choke, it's your fucking job, unfortunately. I mean, you can't fault her at all for not letting go because that's her job, but... Typically, you hold the sub until the ref lets go um there have been a lot of fighters who knew the other guy was unconscious and you

know told the ref like hey stop the fight you know and there is one i forget he's like he's out he's out the ref's like no he's not and he's like look He's out! And the ref goes, oh, actually, that's a good point. That's happened. But you don't fault the fighter typically. Has the fighter been faulted out of this? Is there some fallout for her? It seems like...

She seemed to have acted totally fine. The guy came over. She didn't resist another person coming in. She just let her go and walked off. That's something that happens sometimes. Sometimes the ref is like, come she just let her go and walked off that's something that happens sometimes sometimes the ref is like come on let him go let him go the ref has to get you off the guy um what's what's the guy they call the black beast that guy a while back remember when he beat up what's his name um uh the black beast beat this guy up and he got like two or three extra hits in after the bell or after the ref had called. And he's like, he likes to put his hands on women.

So I really enjoyed being able to get a few extra hits on women. He called Travis Brown. Was his name like Netanyahu or something? I know that's like a political leader, but something like that. Yeah. The opponent apparently had abused women, domestic abuse, something like that. So in the ring. I don't know.

I've never been in that position. I've done some competitive gaming or something, but not to that degree where it's like you have that element of it. I just don't think that's the appropriate position to be taking that shit out in, right? That's got to be the sport. It's got to be what you're going for. It's got to be the game there, right?

It can't be the politics behind it. There's guys who are super all business, like George St. Pierre. He's never went in there once thinking, I am going to hurt him. No, he doesn't want to hurt you. I am going to win. That's all he's saying. And then there's guys who are like warriors. They're almost taken off of a battlefield from old times.

They got the Chuck Liddell eyes got they got it short-sighted got the chuck liddell eyes why is it this is this is because this is this you're all in the same you're all in the same boat you're all fighters in this the rules that hurt one person that allow you that person to be hurt when they're unconscious or not there are going to come around to bite you or potentially bite you in the ass at some point this is like you know at some level it's like you're all athletes in the same sport you're all athletes in the same sport. You're all professionals in the same profession You should be trying to respect that shit so that you don't come out of that Worst for the wear on that as well if some of you're allowed to beat the shit out of some guy when he's unconscious

Someone's allowed to beat the shit out of you while you're unconscious Yeah But it's not like basketball where you win some you lose some Like like these guys to go in there and compete at this level and to not fall apart and have a fucking panic attack or something they have to exude confidence they have to go in there with aggression and malice and hate sometimes but like i said there's different personalities that everybody's taking something different in the cage some guys look scared in there and they admit later they are some guys are like oh that's my home court i love getting in there and be able to put part i'm part of the hurt game that's what i

do and you know there are guys who like i said just want to score points just want to get out of this with the win and there are guys who are like this is what i was made to do and they're gonna get in there and do it i guess there's no way i can i can reflect on that without reflecting my personality on that and my thing is like everybody who's in that game like everybody who's in that like knows that they're they're those varied personalities and and you know you know who you're gonna fight for a while like you always see trash talk in public but i would imagine there's a little it's what happens when they privately go back and forth that's gonna affect whether you're scared of a guy or not right like if we're on the stage and he's talking lots of shit and then backstage he's like man we're gonna make some money this is gonna

boost our ppv oh man what do you get yeah yeah i get a part of the take too great great great and then there's guys you're backstage and he's like i must break you fucking ivan drag drogo over there and he's like yeah you know that's what i'm saying it could be a weapon if your reputation is you're such a fucking shitty person that you're just gonna like a big part if you go unconscious i'll break your arms while you're you know while you're knocked out or something. I imagine that has some reputation elements. If you ask Conor McGregor why he's so successful, he has this thing where he wills things into being. He says it's going to happen.

The secret. He says it's going to happen, and then he believes it, and then he does nothing but work toward that goal with everything he has. And then he believes he makes it into being. So when you're – I guess I'm not worried about that for the same reason I'm not worried about being prayed to death. Like I don't even know what that would be. You would say that up until the point where there was a monk out there who he would just go out there and pray. And then a miracle would happen. And if the weird coincidence happened where I died from that, that would be shitty, but that would be a coincidence.

And if the weird coincidence happened where I died from that, that would be shitty, but that would be a coincidence. Conor McGregor's going out there about three or four times, and he's been like, let the seas part, and everybody laughed, and then the seas fucking parted. Conor McGregor goes in there and beats up guys who have the tools to beat what he is, and then he beats them in 26 seconds. Yeah, get out of your head.

And now, it's the truth. I promise, you do this research. He's a fascinating human being. These things happen for him, and he seems to... Kyle, you're not going to sell me And now. It's the truth. I promise. You do this research. He's a fascinating human being. He just will. These things happen for him. And he seems to. You're not going to sell me his unwilling shit to happen that's happening. Of course he's willing. It's not going to happen.

No, I don't believe that. I don't believe there's magic or people like that. I'm saying that his mindset and his confidence that he has pumped himself full of is why he wins. He believes he's going to win. But for that to affect you, you have to buy into that to some degree. He does. Oh, and he's going to win and for that to affect you you have to buy into that to some degree he does oh he's saying not him for the opponent like oh dude that's the best that's why he's fascinating is like most of the time by the end of it they start believing it a little and they start that's their downfall right that's amazing though right because these people

that he's doing to are not weak-willed they're not weak-minded oftentimes like oh this guy's been the champ for 10 years i hope i'm not exaggerating jose aldo was the only champ that division had ever seen uh you know other guys like well this guy's bigger than him this guy's this this guy's that you know this guy's an american wrestler that's the style that is the antithesis of what connor can bring and somehow connor gets them to doubt and and the fact that he gets strong people to have doubts is amazing and i wonder if he can do it with mayweather we'll see they says it's an impressive pr ability right like and that's that's funny because that's one of the things i love about gaming and this is another type of game is the metagaming what you just described is not anything to do with his physical prowess it's nothing to do with his talent in the arena or whatever the

fuck it is it's literally his ability to intimidate his opponents to some degree and that's fucking awesome they asked brennan shop like hey if you could take one thing from your opponent what would it be right and i was expecting his answer to be like if i didn't have to worry about his takedowns then my game would be strong or if i didn't have to worry about this heedowns, then my game would be strong. Or if I didn't have to worry about this, he's like, if I could take his confidence away, if I could just dent that guy's confidence, then this whole fight goes my way. If he's in there timid, I own this guy. And somehow

Conor does that to people, and it's amazing. It's, my favorite Conor mean, like, talk shitting moment is, uh, I don't know what TV show they're on, but Conor McGregor's sitting here, Jose Aldo's sitting here, someone's asking questions in the middle and chose a has a translator because he's fucking brazilian or whatever and uh and chose a and connor's just going crazy right like insults left and right and chose he's trying to get out through his interpreter my father raised

me this way he my father raised me to be a man and connor goes tell him that i'm his daddy and and and she translates it to him he says he's your daddy and jose goes no you're not my daddy he's like you're i'm your daddy come sit on my knee boy come on i'll bounce you up and down and it's just this he just owns him at every moment not only because there's a language barrier but because he's about as slick as it gets anyway he really tears these guys apart with really great... He talks a lot of smack, and it's funny. And it's not just that it's good smack and it's funny, it's that there's a goddamn audience,

like a studio audience there, to yuck it up with him. And they were already on his side to begin with. This is the home game percentage, right? There is a measurable impact of being in the fucking home crowd. And what is that impact? I don't know. I haven't done the research into this.

But there's an impact of that of a couple percentages and there's something about that that matters. That's really kind of cool. So it just, Conor McGregor and Mayweather, sorry, I lost my words, went and did a four city press tour, right? And Conor had home court advantage everywhere,

even in New york where you'd think it'd be mayweathers everything connor said was hilarious they're going wild with it every time mayweather was like doing his chance like he says hard work and the crowd is supposed to scream back dedication i think they've been doing it forever he says hard work they get nothing he gets booze people are cursing him out. No matter what Mayweather says, it's universally agreed upon as not clever. Second best. No matter what McGregor says, all he has to say is like, no, it's not. And they're all like, oh, he told you.

He got you. It's not. And that home court advantage just completely played out in every press tour. So I've watched a lot of McGregor stuff. To me, he's not clever. He's not that witty. He uses the same shit all the time. I'm going to take your belt.

I'm your daddy. Who the fuck are you, right? What do you mean, who are you? You're in the UFC. I have seen Conor McGregor go down the list of all the fighters he could potentially be talking about or fighting and compare his reach to their opponent's reach, you know? Even people in different weight classes like this guy's supposed

to be bigger than me my reach is this his reach is that he knows all the stats of everyone this guy says i'm gonna knock you out he says who the fuck are you and they act like it's the most clever thing in the world it's not clever who are you is the unintelligent athlete's response to anyone right that's what they say that's what mayweather said about ronda, right? That's what they say. That's what Mayweather said about Ronda Rousey. That's what they all say. Who are you? Like, you're not a big star.

Yet somehow Conor is like super, he's not clever. He uses the same lines at every presser. It's not what you say, it's how you say it sometimes. Can we please click this? It's time stamped. Let's just roll it from there. Because I felt like this was a different kind of of conor mcgregor trash talk you know there's the parts where he tells you that he's your daddy

there's the parts where he tells you he's gonna take your belt and then you tell him that he can't and then he will literally like yank it away like a preschooler be like no i already did bitch wait till next week like it'll be for keeps you know he'll do that stuff it's juvenile but look what check this out i'm queued up is everyone queued up 620 3 2 1 play wow i didn't think i'd see you again so i was actually happy to see him i shook his hand i embraced him i gave him a little cuddle i told him everything is going to be a-okay it will be over before you know it just please show up december 12th so i i don't want to scare him anymore he's petrified he went

running before so now I'm going to take the opposite approach cuddle him look after him whisper sweet nothings tell him it's going to be all right it will be over quick and hopefully get him get him into that octagon December 12th and then end his career Chad was that guy was the champion a huge champion he'd won 9, 10 fights in a row. They said he was unbeatable. Conor just said, it's going to be over before you know it. 26 seconds is how long it took. And he knocked him fucking unconscious.

And the guy was crying at the shame that Conor put him through. If you can't make that shit up, it's so fun to watch. Thanks for good TV. Yeah. This Mayweather fight, also going to make for good TV, I hope. Because here, I feel like if both fighters went in and just tried to give their all, like it was a boxing match, probably a really boring show. But these are both showmen.

Both of them are just the greatest showmen in combat sports history, at least recent history. You go back to Ali, right? That's the only other one that I think of. And I think they're both going to be out there to put on a show. I think Connor's going to come out and go down in his little squat pose

and start doing some... Maybe he'll do some kicks for practice, like he's warming his kicks up, you know? There's going to be some showman-type stuff in there. And I feel like Connor can throw a kick as long as it doesn't land, right? How funny would that be if they're fucking boxing, and then he just does a cartwheel kick, and it doesn't land?

And he's just like, uh-oh, what are you thinking about now? I don't think he can do that. That's what he should do. They asked Dana White about it, and he said that it's in the contract, and he would get sued in such a crazy way. If he would do any MMA moves on McGregor. Do I remember it wrong? What is this?

This isn't MMA. I thought this was MMA. It's boxing. Oh, it's just straight-up boxing. Okay. Yeah, Mayweather. Not Mayweather. Conor McGregor is sort of doing a crossover.

He thinks he can beat the best boxer at boxing. So they're going to meet. And it's going to be soon. That's the exciting thing. That's the best part. I'm to be soon that's the exciting thing that's that's that's the best part i i i'm so happy i said the same thing it's in august late august i think but um like like i said before you know game of thrones 18 months of waiting conor mcgregor mayweather two now only one like it it's right around the corner i'll fight it took six years to put that together

they were like oh we want pacquiao to fight mayweather mayweather's like i can beat pacquiao in six years maybe yeah so the game of thrones thing it it has not been 18 months since we got one it's been a little over a year oh yeah no between seasons yeah it wasn't like uh extra long break and it was an extra long break was it like super extra because it was like a year and a month right i want to say it normally comes out in march i think it was a year and a month there that's right i know i know it feels ridiculous although well are we doing. Although, well, are we going to do that? It is that time. Are we going to do the Game of Thrones stuff? It's that time. Let me do an advertisement. Let me do our

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um we're both right kind of uh it was a year and three months apart from like the start dates but if you compare the end to the beginning it's a year and a month yeah so they delayed it by three months but i assumed it was that yeah well i guess we could transition into a game of thrones talk i know everyone is is quaking in their boots for it, just really fired up. I loved, loved, loved this episode's beginning, and it was all kind of downhill from there. And I don't necessarily mean downhill as in quality or entertainment-wise.

It was just the pace of the show. Woody had an amazingly cogent point on the show the day before yesterday, and he's absolutely right. They should have switched the final scene with the first scene. Which was the final? Daenerys arrives at Dragonville. Holy fuck, that was the least impactful scene ever.

What if the show opened with that? What if Daenerys went to Dragonville, pulled down the sigils, played some ball, pulled down the sigils own the castle and then like the show launched from there and just kept going up and then at the end of it at the end of it aria gets her revenge against the phrase and everyone is like oh my god that would have been so much feel that aria's assassin training was a little short of what it needed to be so It wasn't even assassin training.

They just tortured her for a while, and then she got skills. Yeah, the problem with the assassin training, exactly. It's fucking implied, and that's a mistake, because at some point you're going to have to show us some stuff. They never showed us her really learning to cut the faces off, or at least not getting any training in that. And so, like, something that I have come to understand is

that she's cutting people's faces off and wearing them, but it's not as simple as that. She's getting a whole different effect than if she gave you one of the faces she'd cut off and let you put it on. Because there's some magic from the many-faced god involved. That's why she becomes taller, her her voice changes she becomes the person who's behind the behind the face when

it happens so there's magic there but they went from step one to five and they did and they left us out of it and and the problem was that that like step one which went on for weeks seemed to be just beating her up or blinding her and and and i didn't care for that it wasn't totally reasonable as the years starting steps of like they needed but we never got steps two and three of our training it was just like straight up like get beat with a stick to now you're on your own killing everyone now if you think that that is a is a is a big hole in the plot and something they should have men to make 1,000 huge fucking war galleys

with gigantic sails. Every one of them's equipped with men. And this guy shows up looking like a rock star. I saw Reddit going crazy over Euron's costume. No, I'm upset because Euron has a machine that makes boats out of thin air.

That's what I'm worried about. I didn't get a vibe for the time period. It doesn't make sense. No, well, it does. I'll exaggerate to make my point. If 10 years has passed, then I see where all those ships came from. Look, these guys have been making ships since the beginning of time. They must have some sort. That's what doesn't make sense.

Where are they getting the lumber? I haven't seen the whole island. I assume there's some trees there or they have access to other people's trees. No, there's no trees. They have to go to Westeros and then get their lumber there. Because I feel like it was either in the books of the show, one of the Greyjoys at one point bitching, like, we don't even have lumber available.

We have to go to the mainland to get supplies for our ship, to build ships, or like something like that. So they really don't have anything on their little island but i didn't hear about hypothetically that i that 10 year if a decade had gone by i'd be like oh well you know you can get a lot done in 10 years etc sure if a decade okay we're getting this horrible horrible effect of we're now seeing movies slash showtime where they want plot to move forward there's stuff that needs to happen for plot to move forward and we're getting kind of arm waving for how that fucking shit's happening there were a lot of shots left over like um it was samwise like sam he said build me a thousand ships and i'll give you the iron throne or something like that they built a thousand

ships but did what's the woman's name ari asha she stole all their best ships all the best ships but she didn't steal like i'm wondering oh man where is the other 997 coming from like that's that's the problem right like it's like build me a thousand ships you know they built a thousand ships bro it don't make no sense there ain't no way i don't know i have no idea like is it really a thousand conversion thousand fucking ships that's i've got a bunch of questions is it really a thousand how many did they have maybe he's pro to hyperbole i understand the concept of my advocates god damn it the same the same way that like in ancient warfare um like zerk season 300 is, there are a million of us.

We will block out the sun, whatever the fuck he was saying. It's like, there aren't actually a million of them. Like, that's bloviating to scare your opponent. Like, you really think he brought a million of these, like, horrible, horrible Persian fighters, you know, to just throw at this wall? Like, no. Like, at the same time, I don't't think they actually it's actually a thousand because like your point about the men makes more sense than even the wood for me like where there aren't enough history that all right so in history of course there's there may be a bit of bloviating and a bit of uh the facts changing over time but

this is a narrative that they wrote last year like like this is a narrative that they made up last year if they wanted to they could have wrote in the part where he's like, get to the mainland. Go to the mainland. And harvest a thousand ships or something. All right, so let me tell you a narrative where they managed to figure this out and explain to us where the resources came from.

It's called the Lord of the Rings, all right? Oh, God, let's not go there. It lies right on our doorstep, my lord! Yeah, no no no no no. The Lord of the Rings was, we'll describe each fucking tree being felled in copious detail. Oh, thank you. For each, the life story of each fucking lumberjack doing that. No, I do not, I do not accept that as a substitute for what happened in the Game of Thrones.

And then the Battle of Helm's, the Battle of Helones in the battle of helms deep did happen and he's like and then some uruk-hai showed up huge to do and gandalf saves the day it's like what you did this part in like six pages are you kidding me like you just described like filthy was saying like what kind of pies they were eating on their day breaks

while they were chipping away at fangorn forest like you're right there the lord of the rings isn't well-written in that way. But they did provide the explanation. Yes. They had that moment there where, like, the fucking head orc or whatever is like, you know, where are we going to get the fuel to?

And he's like, Fangorn, we lie on the borders of Fangorn Forest or whatever the fuck he said. And he's like, yes! Which is how, like, an orc which is how like an orc when you tell an orc something they didn't know but it's super duper evil they're like yeah they're all really happy and raspy about it a lot of vocal fry

coming up the trees have come to life my lord it's like no no oh man I'm gonna go watch the movies now I did it I did the orc question now I gotta go watch it movies now. I did it. I got to go watch it.

That was honestly enough for me. What? I read the books in fourth fucking grade. I'm like, all right, this is something. I enjoyed that. Then I went on to bigger and better fiction for many, many, many years. I cannot go back to that. It's just not...

You can watch the movies. The movies are better than the books. They're like 3 hour movies. They're tedious as shit. They're excellent movies. You haven't seen them first of all. I have no fucking clue what you're talking about. I've seen countless hours of them.

I may have seen all of the hours of them but I've seen countless hours. I've seen countless hours. Maybe not the important ones. I wasn't paying attention. And this is a world where you can't count to nine. Yeah, those are incredible, incredible movies. The movies are better than the books and it's one of the few series where that happens. I love the movies so much. They do so much better a job of expediting through the parts that don't need to be labored and getting and focusing on the parts that everybody wanted to read about in the book, but J.R.R.

Tolkien was just a maniac writing about like, oh, but they gotta know about what the fucking dwarves did on Christmas. Because he was just thinking about random shit. Oh, let me remind them that this is a completely different dialect of dwarvish they're speaking at this scene. Like, who fucking cares, man?

Wait, you're gonna take a year off to write the new dialect? God damn it, he's making a new dialect. But, all right, back to Game of Thrones, though. These are searing issues in an otherwise fantastic show. We always talk about, like, Game of Thrones is our top tier, right? It's the highest thing on the totem pole that we can think of. But, man, these are glaring issues that I cannot ignore, even in something I love so much. Euron cannot just cook up these ships. Euron cannot

just cook up these ships out of nowhere. In a world where resources, positioning, power, and manpower are so important and so prescient on a daily basis, it's always about how many men you have, how much gold you have, and by the same rights, it would be very important how much steel you had, how much wood

you had, how much lumber, grain, livestock, all that shit's important, how much lumber, grain, livestock, all that shit's important. And then they just give Euron enough so that Cersei can have an ally. Because the truth is, without cooking up Euron between last season and this season, Cersei is 100% all by herself. There is no ally for her at all. None. No allies. She just has the Lannisters, which is what she is. Everyone else is turned on her. You're thinking of the Westerlands, but that's Castly Rock. The Stormlands isn't her anymore.

None of this stuff is hers. Everyone's turned against her or been killed out. She killed pretty much fucking everyone. Yeah, the Tyrells are... All the people who were allied to the throne, she's gone and killed. Just quickly, out of curiosity, if you're putting Game of Thrones at 10, where do you put like westworld or something like that

you know westworld many echelons below game of thrones like five six seven eight well because well on my undescribed echelon scale i would i was giving you i was giving you a one to ten like you just use that scale we don't have to use whatever scale game of thrones don't go invent the scale for a year countless scales on a scale of 1 to 17 now 10 no 1 to 10 10s game of thrones just to set the bar i put westworld at like 6 okay all right sorry go on fire yeah i put the wire somewhere at like a high 8 low 9 it's it's right there uh i put breaking bad maybe one sliver below that um you know you gotta you gotta be to be up there at the highest echelon you gotta have a budget you gotta

have a really good acting you gotta have great characters you gotta have wonderful stories and it's all gotta come together yeah and the sopranos i his friends a little dated but i put it up there to seven you. 7.5 maybe. I was just looking for this. I wanted to see what you were ranking this at. Yeah. It really frustrates me, those two things this season with Game of Thrones because

I just don't like it. I like to be able to suspend my disbelief. And Euron just made a bunch of magical ships and that's just absurd. I really liked the Jon Snow scene. I liked him giving the Glovers and the Karstarks back their homes. That just makes sense. It's like, the castles are there, so why tear them down?

As Sansa said, give them to these people. But these people already have houses, and they already have castles. You're talking about spreading our forces even thinner across more castles rather than just employing the forces that are already in those castles and fortresses. Do you think that even matters? I felt like this is Ned Stark's true son in a sense. This is that type of thinking that just got deployed there again. And this type of thinking seems to lose pretty

regularly in this world. So I'm actually kind of curious where this story arc goes because Martin's gone and punished everyone who thinks this way up till now. And we just have Jon Stark, Jon Snow rather, going on with that type of thinking of the honorable, you know, we'll treat our bannermen who have supported us and we'll allow them mistakes and continue on. We've just seen this. This has gotten Ned Stark killed, gotten Jon Snow killed. I mean, this gets punished as well.

I might agree with you. If there were three or four more seasons to go, I might buy into that. But here's the reason I don't. This show has gotten real dumbed down over the last couple years. They stopped thinking that we were smart because a bunch of dumb people started watching with us, and the aggregate is now a lot dumber. So that's why

in a scene like that in the North, it's 100% true, that's why in a scene like that in the North, they have to cut to Littlefinger three fucking times to let us know that Littlefinger is, ooh, a little separation between Sansa and Jon Snow. First of all, I knew that before the episode started. I said it before the season started.

I was like, Littlefinger's going to watch for some kind of a divide between Sansa and Jon Snow. He's going to try to get in there because he wants that pussy. It was A plus B equals C. We knew it was coming, but the average fan doesn't. So they're like, look at Littlefinger. See him grin? See him grin? See him grin? Alright, back to Jon.

Oh, he said something else. Sansa didn't like that. Look at her frown. at little finger again twirling his mustache you know just just don't care it's getting dumbed down um and those are just they're just making it up as they go along as far as those two things that i really didn't care for this episode now aria killing all the frays was bad fucking ass i've've wanted the Freys gone for so goddamn long. I've wanted revenge for the Red Wedding. I felt like Walder Frey just really needed a terrible death. But is this not the same problem?

This is, again, in this world, the good guys do not get rewarded for doing good things. And we've just seen, at the start of this season, two scenes where you've got good guys essentially being rewarded for doing good things essentially right some mistake this is mistake in your thinking i think i i i understand where you're coming from and i think a lot of people feel this way but you have to look at gamer thrones as a big story arc from season one to whatever eight and where it's going and i feel like the first half was a lot of that it was it was always the always the good guys were all knocked out. There was a time I can clearly remember thinking, like, well, the Starks have lost because there aren't any. John has this, like, oath he'll never break, clearly.

I was like, the Starks are completely out no matter what. It won't be a Stark. But I think that now it's an upswing. And the way I look at it is the first half of this whole thing was all about the good guys are down and out and now they're swinging back up there's an inconsistency in kyle's thinking here's what i'll say i think that when he looks at euron he says hey this isn't fair he doesn't have the boats he doesn't have the people and they got invented out of everywhere he's not allowing game of thrones to like sort of break its own universe's rules but when it comes to like

you know the good guys start winning he's like well i can see that we're running out of episodes so the good guys are going to start winning and you know we're going to get rewarded for honorable behavior and game of thrones is breaking its own rules and in this case kyle's cool with it well the rules are always changing i think own rules. The thing to say about them doing the good thing for those two bannermen and letting them keep their castles, you can't compare that to Ned Stark because those are two entirely different situations.

In Ned Stark's situation, it wasn't like, hey, if we don't band together, there's a fucking giant frozen zombie army knocking at our doorsteps. It's not speculative. We've seen them and we've fought them before. If we don't come together and we're splintered, we're all going to be consumed by this army and we'll

all die for sure. It's like a last-ditch effort. We've got to come together, or we all know for a fact it's no longer speculation. If this were back when, oh, you truly believe the Ice Kings are coming back, you fool. If it was still that era, yeah, he might be a little more foolish.

But now it's understood. Everybody has to be on the same team, and they all understand that. I would bet money that you will not see anyone in the North go against Jon. All of those houses are buttoned up as tightly as it gets, because there's just not enough time in the narrative for that whole thing to happen. There's not enough time for

a Glover, a Farstock, or whoever. Even counting next season. In total, we've only got a handful left. There's just not enough time for the story to follow with a house rebelling against Jon, Jon either dying or tamping that down.

There's no room for that. I just object to why he's right. It should be because of the universe that we live in it should be like like taylor was saying hey this is a we all have to band together um maybe maybe if there were no white walkers and we were just going against searcy then we could punish those bannermen for being disloyal right maybe but since it is the white walkers, you know, look, we all gotta be friends. We have a bigger fight. I don't understand why you don't feel like they're punished

though, or why anyone doesn't. They die. Here's the way I see it. This is no different than the justice that has always been present. It wasn't a common thing to just uproot a whole house and kill them all. It's only ever happened one time in the history of this whole

thing, and they wrote a song about it, right? It's about what the Lannisters did to the Tiger people, whatever. The Reigns of Castamere. Those are the dragon people. The Reigns of Castamere is a song all about how, like, you know, they thought that that other house thought they were just

as powerful as the Lannisters. They're like, we've got claws just as sharp, blah, blah, blah. There was a whole song about it. They killed them all and tore their house down to nothing, and it was like a thing. They're like, we've got claws just as sharp, blah, blah, blah. There was a whole song about it. They killed them all and tore their house down to nothing. And it was like a thing. They're like, yeah, they are no more. Their whole house is gone. Who had Dragonville? The Targaryens did, right? Previously.

Yeah, yeah. And then they lost their house and they gave it to Stannis. So it is not just one time. Sure. There's two there. But I hear your point, except that the whole point... That's like the royal family being taken out

even more than a house because they killed Ilya Martel and anyone who related... That's not a counter-argument to it only happened once. It's a counter-argument to it's never happened to just a regular house out there for some transgressions. I don't think the argument even has to go to it's only happened once, it's happened ten times. The point is him not punishing them.

I think they were punished because all the people who were real a part of those rebellions, they were dead in battle. And you have to think from John's perspective. He's got to think about what his bannermen are thinking. When he looks at those two, he's like, alright, what are they thinking? Is there any incentive whatsoever to rebel against me at this time? No. No incentive whatsoever. It would be surefire death at the hands of Jon,

or more likely, joining the ranks of the undead after they're overtaken because they don't have enough men to hold them together. But I feel like what we heard... This is just a common sense thing from all sides. Like's just they all know they need each other what we heard of the audience was we had two two options presented to us we had sansha's sansha whatever her fucking name is sansa option presented as essentially this is the little finger approach this is the cersei's approach this is the approach that has up to now been the rewarded approach, which is essentially do good things with your friends, shit on your enemies as much as you can, and let the negative example you're setting for the people

who have rebelled against you, this fear and death and whatever, carry on. That's been the attitude we've seen Ned Stark dive in this, we've seen- But that's only true if you treat all diplomatic decisions made by characters as happening in a vacuum, like not happening in different contexts. Like, obviously, Jon giving these two people their houses back is nothing at all like Ned doing the, quote, right thing and getting, you know, shellacked for it. You know, like they're different situations. I think Jon's decision has only strengthened the resolve of all of his men. I feel like that inspires respect over fear. I feel like you see that here's a guy, even if you didn't, if you're a bannerman,

if you're one of these other guys who may have stood in line to receive some of the plunder, whatever, you're like, well, I would have liked to have that, but at least now I know. If I ever step in shit, my first move doesn't have to be to fucking rebel against the the throne here's a guy who's fair here's a guy who's gonna hear me i don't even against the strategy of it my point is that up until now that move has almost entirely been punished in the game of thrones world exactly in the previous world but look at where cersei is now not a single ally cersei who who never shows mercy who never there's a there's a the the if that if we follow that kind of arc to its fruition, what we hear is that this has all been a morality story

in the same fucking tone that every other fucking epic storyline morality story is in terms of the good guys win by doing good all along. And fuck, I feel like Game of Thrones has been sold on the fact that it is not that world. It seems simultaneously good and smart. I think it's good only by accident. Jon is making that move because it's smart. And when he defends his decision, that's where he goes to it with.

He talks about how we need these men. It's mentioned how those guys already have castles. It really only seemed to serve one purpose, and that was to put some punitive damages on these people who's... If it's down to Alice Karstark and Ned – whatever the other guy's name is, these two children, then we've killed all the men. We killed their uncles and their cousins. Anyone who was a six-foot-tall man has clearly been chopped down. I feel like it's clear that – That's not true.

They paid. That's what's not true, paid like like it's down to the right like i know well the order of succession when their dad went down like tommen was in charge at one point that doesn't mean every six foot man and i know the order of succession wouldn't require that but it is down to them their dads are all dead and they were the guys who did this stuff the men who made the decisions are dead this didn't make any sense to punish the families i mean they were literal children a lot of the a lot of the stuff in this world seems to be that the repercussions of your actions will be taken

upon your family as well right side the right way and this is part of the impetus to do that decide the right way is if you don't we kill your family we kill your fucking wife we kill all your children we salt your land we give it you know etc etc etc so it seems kind of it came wait are you meaning that like characters are supposed to be making good decisions and being rewarded for it sorry i missed no no no not anything like that not about it's so far in this series a lot of this seems to be about how the cruelty of the world there's no there's no fair fair and balanced here there's no like you do something right, you'll get rewarded for that. Everyone in this series so far who has taken the stance of doing right and being the honorable way has died. They have all lost to the people who haven't taken that way.

To suddenly see the season opening. It could be one of two things. It could be essentially a story arc that goes, hey, we're now going to enter this story arc for the end of the season. The end of the series, rather, and this season that suddenly all the good characters are getting what's coming to them. There is some hinting of that with Daenerys landing, et cetera. Or this could be another famous Martin setup where we're looking at, again, you get invested with Ned Stark. You get invested with his son. His name is eluding me right now.

I think maybe we're not coming out in scope enough because we haven't seen the whole story because there are lots of characters who have done the evil thing and eventually get punished for it. Like two seasons ago, you might be like, oh, look at Ramsey, cut Theon's fingers off and his dick off. And he's just gallivanting around like you pull the scope back and it's like, oh, well, yeah, he ends up dying. He gets his comeuppance. Oh, these rapist calls or whatever, they get their comeuppance and it ends for them. These slavers, they do the worst imaginable kinds of things to people, castrating whole armies, and then

they get their comeuppance. So I think it's just an issue of scope. The bad people that we're still seeing now are just the ones that we haven't zoomed out enough to see their collapse. And they really zoomed in on this moment, I feel like, with the show. This moment didn't just come and pass like there was a conversation that took place afterwards

where Sansa's like hey that was kind of like what Rob and Ned did you gotta be careful with that sort of thing because they got their heads cut off I feel like that that moment right there is like them coming in with a bandaid for people who maybe think more like filthy or what do you do about

that moment? Hey, hey, he knows. He knows. He knows. But he knows, alright? Now let's go forward. Because there was a moment where someone literally says the things that you're thinking about why that's a bad idea. His sister's like, you look, man,

you're the war guy, but I've learned from the best and that bitch kills everybody who doesn't like her. You got to crowd please a little. You got to crowd please a little. I feel like they were putting that Band-Aid on there for anyone who felt that way. I still stand by it, guarantee.

It won't come to be anything. The North is as solidly behind John as it could be. The problem now is... But is that a disappointment? Is that not a bit of a disappointment with the narrative thus far? It's a disappointment because there's not three more seasons of this show

to flesh out more fluid things. But if we've got eight or nine more episodes, we don't have time for some more rebellions here and there. We had a huge rebellion in season two. But your thought from that, Ben, is that this... And regardless of who wrote this in the end,

if it's Martin writing this, and this is, you don't think, okay, so if this is HBO's take on Martin's world, was essentially this is going to be a happy ending. White Walker's going to be defeated by Daenerys. The North is going to have a just and valuable leader

who's going to take all this. You think it's going to be a happy ending? I know it's going to be a happy ending. Yeah. Too many dummies got on board, man. The dummies got on board. Yeah. This is going to be a happy ending. I know it's going to be a happy ending. Too many dummies got on board, man. The dummies got on board. Yeah, this is going to be a happy ending. I'm telling you, like, either Jon Snow or Daenerys are sitting in the throne.

The White Walkers are going to get melted. Probably going to lose some dragons and some ancillary characters. A lot of your favorites are probably going to die. They may kill Tyrion. They could kill Arya. They could kill virtually Sansa. Sansa's kind of in this weird power vac. The thing that I look at with Sansa,

Jon Snow, and Daenerys is like there's no way that post Dragon War, White Walker War, that you can have both Jon Snow and Sansa in the north. You can't. Jon Snow's on the Iron Throne. It won't work. So either Jon Snow has to die or Jon Snow has

to take the Iron Throne. It's one or the other. And Daenerys becomes a bad guy. I don't know. They're only half-brother and sister. Cousins. They could take the throne together. They're going to get... The Dragon Queen and Jon Snow

are going to hook up. That's happening. I do not think so. I think the Dragon Queen will be painted as a bad guy. Jon Snow will be the good guy. He'll take the Iron Throne. Sansa will take the Winterfell. And it's going to be a happy ending.

It's not what I want, but kind of like Kyle. If you get outside of the show logic and the show universe and where that's been taking us and go towards what we've learned from every other like storyline told by Hollywood since we were children, the good guys are going to win by doing honorable things. And that's how the show will wrap. Might not be honorable things.

And the end, like there's that old story about the man who, who made his, who made the, the sword by plunging it into his wife's heart. We could have something like that. Jon Snow may have to kill his sister to make a fire sword to kill the Night King.

Jon Snow might have... Daenerys may have to die to make the weapon that kills the Night King. People are going to die. We're going to lose some of our favorite characters. It's definitely happening. I seriously hope it does not come down to the same fucking narrative we hear in every one of these shows

this is what I liked about Game of Thrones when I first started reading the fucking series was it was suddenly a world that did not reflect on the kind of just pathetic almost there's a reason Robb Stark isn't like still charging through defeating Lannister after Lannister right

it got good at the Red Wedding. That was awesome. You know, like, okay, they gave us the Purple Wedding, but, like, the fact that, like, Starks die, that good guys lose, that no... I say nobody was safe, but nearly nobody is safe. You know, like, we don't know that Sansa

won't die. Plot armor is boring for predicting a series, absolutely. So I agree 100 100 with that i really hope it does not get dumbed down to there and i can i can see kyle's predictions and i can see them as not even being bad predictions right i hope it doesn't come that way right yeah i'm on that same page i think kyle's right about pretty much everything he said but he's not using like show universe logic he's using every hollywood story we've seen yeah i'm using i'm using big business logic this is fucking this is the biggest show that exists there are millions of happy

we thought the walking dead show creators were the biggest gangsters in television and then everybody cried because they bashed one asian guy's guy's brains out a little bit and all of a sudden they pussyfied a little bit and started slowing things down. Let's cut the gore out. There's no way they're going to kill off every one of our main characters and the Night King's going to grin at you in the end and be like, goodnight.

What if Euron wins? What if Euron really does give Daenerys his big cock and he takes out the other good guys and Jon Snow gets a Glendeth? I would love that show. That show would blow you away. They need a better villain than Euron.

They did it in Breaking Bad. I like Euron. Euron got good this year. Euron is so bad. Euron dresses like he works at H&M. I hate Euron. He is the worst actor act he's not a good actor oh his character his book character is 10 times better than he is even his boat is pussy

compared to the the the boat in the books that shit's painted red so you can't see the blood he cut their tongues out so they can't tell you where he's been if i recall correctly on the he's the only guy that is ballsy enough that he wears full plate armor when he's fighting on ships unlike most people because he's going down with a ship yeah because you're he's going down with a chip and he's so confident that nobody's gonna overpower him and he's like yeah you're not gonna toss me in the water I don't care if you can get me in there you deserve to win but you won't like so he's just cutting people that imagine the benefit you would get wearing full plate armor fighting a fucking pirate like he has no chance well you can't swashbuckle you you just do the

thing we're talking about with rugby earlier and just run at him he must be the only one i think he's cool i'm having a good time with him he's comic book-y bad if that's a word. I'm certain it's not. But he is an over-the-top... Hokey. Not exactly. I'm looking for the comic book. That's what I'm going for. He is a caricature of himself. He is hilarious.

He's not Ramsey who's like a dirty kind of scary evil. He's an over-the-top jester of evil. And I'm liking the character. It's a different guy. I don't dislike him yet because I'm still holding out some hope that he'll become more like the book character where he's more badass and cool and less like kind of a barista. But I do – I don't know. I kind of want to like him some, but you're right. He's not that endearing.

And if he is this Starbucks employee instead of the hardcore guy that I thought... No, not at all, which is the problem. I wanted to see him... I have a tier list of how hardcore the characters all are. Brienne's pretty fucking high up there.

Her name was on my list, too. Brienne's top three or four. Andenne's pretty fucking She beat Clegane And single combat Clegane was grievously Wounded during that fight It's a woman asshole Was he wounded At any time

Was the hound Wounded before she fought him Yeah that guy bit him He was wounded badly They did a better job of hashing it out hound wounded before she fought him? Yeah, that guy bit him, remember? He was wounded badly. In the books, they did a better job of hashing it out, showing that when they started fighting, that Clegane was already kind of like,

just kill me or give me a pig's foot, or whatever the fuck he would say. Yeah, he had an infection from that bite. Does anybody disagree that the mountain is number one? The mountain is number one because of the zombified state. Now, pre-zombie mountain, the mountain is number one the mountain is number one um although i really like the zombie fight state now pre-zombie mountain i mean the viper of dorn was fucking amazing right i really like

i hate all the rest of the dorn shit but i liked him and his brother i like i like his sister right up until the point where you know the sand snakes came in i thought it was cool that he had like this incestuous sister and and they they had all this stuff going on it was they were cool and and and he had a great accent and he's like he's like talking to tyranny he's like dear little father every letters are not the only ones who pay their debts i have a question for you guys it's something i don't know that maybe i was supposed to have figured out so there's a scene where uh circe is with the mountain post zombie i think it's the uh the whatever the seps or something and she he's like you have to come with us or there'll be violence and she says i choose violence and they hit him in the chest with some sort of pokey hammer

he doesn't care and he kills a guy yeah are we to believe that pokey hammer hit his actual body in there and he didn't care yes he didn't care okay yeah because i couldn't tell or there was a gap he kept that armor on for the rest of the season like that with those holes in it yeah he didn't even take the armor off and like get it checked out it was it's clear that he's zombie enough that when he gets wounded he's not a guy doesn't have to go in and stitch him back together. I imagine he had to get an arm chopped off or something for that one creepy maester to have to go back in and reanimate him again. But he's, for all intents and purposes, invincible now

against anyone but one of those giants. Hmm. Yeah. I guess 1-1 or the giants would be the number one combat people, but they don't count. They're not even the same species. I think they're going to suck. No, they're not going to suck.

They're going to... What? I predict this scene. I guarantee this scene is coming. The CGI for what I'm about to describe is already being done. They're going to light those goddamn Giants up with fiery arrows and there's gonna be they're gonna be on fire running around on fire but when the dragon glass comes there's

totally gonna be a moment where like there's gonna be some deus ex machina like fucking save the day archer army with dragon glass arrows they've been making them for three years and you didn't even get to see any of the chipping away of the dragonglass arrows there's going to be a sea of dragonglass arrows that come in and save remember when john snow was like he was like all right through his scabbard through the the sheath away he's like gets ready as the horses are bearing down upon him in like a baseball stance like this is my last seconds and then his his fucking cavalry come in and just goes ape shit and crazy that'll happen again but dragon glass arrows come in and like dead men are just fucking exploding and dying as they hit them like it's that's coming that'll be a very cool scene there's gonna be a lot of very cool scenes those dragons are gonna be strafing and burning does it take the glass

to kill the regular people i thought the regular fireworks fire Fireworks. Fireworks on the regular... On the wights, right? Yeah, on the wights, which doesn't have an H in it, or at least not at the beginning. Wait, I'm very confused. Which one of the... W-I-G-H-T. Those are the dead men, the zombie-like, reanimated corpses of human beings.

They can be killed with fire. The white walkers, which are the guys who animate the wights, who make them appear, they're killable with Dragon Glass. Correct. The way Kyle described the scene, I thought he was Dragon Glassing the regular zombies.

He'd probably kill the regular zombies too, I'd imagine. We'll see. We'll see how they... It's fucking with magic in a fantasy realm when they haven't made it up yet. We'll see what they decide it is but but if i were writing i'd be like yeah it kills them too it should you know if it's on this tier it should kill the people on this tier that's how that goes i agree i don't look forward to it i mean i wasn't i didn't love episode one i i fought the daenerys really i hated the Daenerys part. I thought...

I kind of didn't like the Arya scene, honestly. Again, I felt kind of annoyed by the fact that I'm like... I would have liked it if they'd given me some fucking belief to believe she was an awesome assassin. Let me tell you another reason why the Daenerys scene is stupid. The Daenerys scene is so stupid.

I'm going to hear it because I also think it was. We know that Stannis gathered his army and then sailed up to the north and then came and then uh fucked up the wildlings we saw that go down it was a really cool scene did he take every last man woman and child with him if not where did he send them Because that castle is abandoned like nobody's ever... You're forgetting something important. I'd love to hear it. What happened? Stannis killed his daughter, and half of the people who were going to fight by him abandoned him.

You would think they'd be at that castle or something, right? Like, a lot of people mutinied or something. Like, they ditched him when he killed his own daughter. Oh, those people died in the north. Ramsay mocked them up they would they wouldn't get away they can't get back home oh yeah they never made it home those people are dead like anybody who abandoned z just like got them like where they go it's cold up there you know it's cold where they're going to dragon none of the houses will have them there it's not like they can be like please sir i've got five coins could you could you ferry me home they'll be like uh i, sir, I've got five coins. Could you ferry me home?

They'll be like, I'm a car stark. I'm sworn to, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're going to chop them to pieces. I just, I don't know. It seemed like a big deal to me. Half of that army mutinied and left or whatever it is they did. It seems, which to me just makes it doubly odd

that that entire castle was left unmanned. And I don't know how this shit works, but when I picture this in my head, I picture a whole community, just like we have with men, women, children, castle was left unmanned and you know i don't i don't know how this shit works but then when i picture this in my head i picture a whole community just like we have with men women children farmers and stuff and then you've conscripted up some soldiers and some are professional and some of them are amateur whatever but you leave them the women and the children and like a third of the men behind to like keep the farms going and harvest grain and stuff where was all of that where is the city?

Well, how long has he been there for? Because that wasn't his home. He was given that after the rebellion for the target. So he'd been there 10 years. All of Jon Snow's life, basically. That's when the rebellion happened. So for all of Jon Snow's life, he's been there. And Dragonstone.

It might be fair to say that if you saw a fucking invading army of Daenerys coming in you might disappear. I don't know. Depends on what they're spotting them with. I mean, there's magic in this world. There's lots of spies in this world. Who are we talking about? I don't know. That wasn't so worrisome to me. Space satellites, yeah?

All of the Dothraki satellites are down. They just gotta look off the beach and see those ships coming in the next day. This goes back to what I was saying earlier with Shithead making a thousand ships. There's no fucking good explanation for it because they just forced a round

peg into a square hole because that's what they wanted. They wanted the big moment where Daenerys gets back to her homeland at the end of episode one. Which was her putting her hand in dirt. That's a huge mistake. I sometimes describe that online as, and the moment that book fans have been waiting for

for a generation happened, Daenerys gets back to her homeland. And I was like, I watched that, and my heart rate didn't go up a bit. I was just like, all right, come on, speed it up. I also thought it was really, really dumb. It's going to fall. The only human being on the planet

with a means of air travel wants to go for a little jog up the beach. Oh, well, she's probably athletic, right? Like a big runner. No, she's five foot two. It would have taken her three days to walk up to the beach. And worst of all, let's look at the real loser in that long walk to the castle.

Poor Tyrion over there, walking with 18-inch long legs. I feel like we're complaining about the wrong things. You know, like, to me, the construction of the boat and the walking of the things. I'm very upset about this. Those are all, like, even the things that you are upset about, like, you know, making the ships. They seem like side issues to me. I'm just watching the story unfold. This is the first sequence, right,

of the season finale story. So there isn't a lot of story to yet be upset about because a lot of the story hasn't been revealed yet. We don't know where they're going to go with all these things. It was part of the conversation. It's not that I dislike the story story i just like how the story is being told and and in a show this big with this much money and this many years in the making it seems like they should have been working like they should have always known what was going to

happen episode one of this year you know and and and the pieces should have been assembling so they all locked together in place for this going holy should be going, holy shit. Of course that makes sense, but I never saw it coming. I feel like they were a few team writers and stuff and was like, what do you think happens in the first episode? You guys seen the show, right? Okay, what do you think? Oh, okay, keep going. That's what it feels like happening.

I don't care for that. I just feel like there's too much like, oh, yeah, and then Euron came and he made a thousand ships and they showed up, and that's Cersei's new best friend. Really? You just dreamed up another, like, gigantic player in the huge Game of Thrones. This is called Game of Thrones. It's all about the game of winning that throne,

and they just made up a guy between last season and this season who was a primetime player, like maybe one of the strongest. Second strongest? I don't know. Apparently the Greyjoys always suck, so... That's what Jamie says, but he's only got one goddamn hand. He's afraid he's about to lose that Cersei pussy.

I'm not at the point yet where I think anybody's... Only the one. I don't think anybody's that afraid of the Greyjoys yet. We'll see, though. Yeah, I think we're... Historically, they're stupid and not very powerful and losers. They just make or

grow themselves. They're like the lower tier of the Westerosi. They're just one step above those goddamn wildlings up there. Then we got that shit montage. I just got to give this episode a six. I got to give this episode a six and hope for something good this Sunday.

I liked it more than you. I give it an eight. It may tamp down because I always give the first, I think we talked about this on BKN, we always give the first episodes more credence because it is, it's satiating your hunger.

You know, you're like, for all the storylines, I can buy that. Yeah, it's like you want it to be good, but then you might go back and be like, oh, this is one of the weakest episodes of the season. I was struck by how much all the actors had aged in this. I saw Cersei, she looked aged to me.

I saw both the Stark children, and I saw both of them have been much older, and some positive things about that, some negative. But it just reminded me, outside of the film for a moment, outside of the world, of the time passage that had happened during the creation of this.

I kind of caught that too. I'm like, this is season seven. It's been seven years. That's a lot of time. That's like a presidency. That's a lot of time to have passed. On the other hand, Lady Mormont didn't age somehow. I thought for sure she was going to do like a Bran Stark,

you know, like where he goes into awkward teenage years. If you watch Bran Stark in particular, he looks like a very different person than he did in season one. My theory on that is with a character like Brandon, who's a main character, undeniably. Maybe the most powerful individual in the show.

I bet he could get right into them. Brandon versus the Mountain? Brandon. Because he just goes, oh, now I'm the Mountain. And he's just like, stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself. Game over. I think he might be one of the strongest characters in the show. So they couldn't do this for him. But with Lady Mormont, I bet she's got four more scenes tops.

All I've got to do is film all the scenes last year, right? Like if I had a nine-year-old on my payroll and they were like, this bitch has four more scenes, about three minutes and 48 seconds worth of dialogue to get out for the rest of this $100 million show, I'm going to get all that shit done this year. We're going to, Lady Mormont, come in. You're going to talk to some more characters

you haven't met yet, but you will. Come on. We'd get all that filmed and have that down because a nine-year-old can really change overnight, especially with these chicken hormones, as I like to say. She could be a woman of ten.

Not able to break her swimming records or anything. She's just 20 years away from her personality. Close on that. Full circle. You want to call it a wrap on that? Yeah, Filthy, where can everybody find you?

You can check me out on my Twitch, my YouTube, or my Twitter. All of them are available. I think they'll probably be linked in the episode. But if you Google Filthy Robot, you will always find me. I'm doing lots of gaming content right now. I had a blast today, guys. Thanks for having me again. It's been fun. As always, dude. Kyle, anything to say?

3.44. Fuck it. There it is.